Those antique packs are nothing short of beautiful. Kudos to you for finding and collecting them. How awesome, and I am envious! I note that there is no mention of one of today's basic frame chores - removing the load from the shoulders, and placing it on the hips. Shoulder straps being used for attachment and balance only. I can attest that in my younger days, when I didn't understand that concept and hung everything on my shoulders - I hurt, bad, a lot. Thanks Dave!
Dave, I know you hear this all the time but your videos are the most helpful on you tube. Can't wait to see what you come up with. Looking forward to part two.
That was awesome Dave. I really liked the history on packing devices. The frame and modular design is a great idea again. The potential in that design is enormous. Can't wait for the next part.
I was just researching this subject last night. Found some interesting examples ( Blades and Bushlore >>>diy and homemade gear >>> wooden pack frame). Especially interesting to me was the canoe chair/pack frame. I'm looking forward to part two. Thanks Dave
Same. Great intro to the concept. I can see this going two ways - one from natural resources, and two from - as he stated - scrap wood... which I guess means wood from a mill.
For those asking Tom Roycraft's name is actually spelled with an "A" not and "O" it is pronounced with an Ahh sound. Althought to us in the US that would seem to be Craft as in Crafting in Canada it is pronounced Ahh to sound like croft- Hope this helps for those confused, I know it was new info to me not long ago-
Is there a part 2? I'm not seeing it. I've been interested in this for quite a while and don't want to just spend a lot of money on a sub par commercially available pack without knowing what I can do on my own.
Thanks, Dave. My son's orthodontist is a big collector of old kayaks, canoes, and outdoors gear and he has a trapper frame in his office for decoration. Thanks for letting me in on what it was exactly. I knew it was some sort of pack frame, but I had no idea it was that important. So, will SRO have a Trapper Nelson inspired pack in its future?
Hey good stuff David. The 3 steel rods on the Trapper Nelson look to me like possibly skewers, or connected together with a ring, to make a tripod for cook fire?
interesting, I started toying with this idea a few weeks ago. After doing some reading and looking around, I decided to give build my own pack frame a try for a little project. I haven' gonna past the doodling stage, but It'll be interesting for me to see what direction you'll go in. Some advice on matching Pack size to body size would be great info If you could share it. I was planing to more or less wing it, hahaha!
Thanks a lot for LIVING it brother!! Like an ole fellow brick layer use to tell me, "Son, you can't tell somebody something until you've been to the place"! Part two.....??? God bless all.
Hey Dave, just a quick thought. I do tree work for a living, and use a ww2 swiss military rucksack to haul my gear. When I'm carrying a heavy load I always sit down to take the weight off my shoulders and remove the pack. Of course with that d-ring design you would still need to slip your arms out.
Great vid, as always. Very interesting, very inspiring! Let me add one thing, Ötzi was found on the border between Austria and Italy :-) Greetings from Austria/Vienna Thomas
Dave, would you mind doing a video on how to use a tumpline? Never seen it done & explained. I'd imagine it would have some risks & warning signs, would really like to know about how to do that one right.
never seen that alaskan frame before, definitely interesting. but simply having the straps as ropes and tucking them under the lower extensions where the rings go to make a waist strap as seen on the ozti pack or native pack frames would seen to be easier to handle, your thoughts?
Like the history and types you show, I have been wanted to build a wood frame for awhile, difference? You do it, I just think about it, and have not done it, LOL Where do you get the energy man!!
Just had a thought about something you might want to do: Make your back able to turn into a saw frame or a bow of some sort. At least having the ability to carry saw blades or arrows directly in the frame shouldn't be too hard (especially if you're using metal or PVC pipe). If you're only using wood, I'd think it'd be fairly easy for someone to figure out how to make part of it into a bucksaw (maybe the sides are the top & bottom of the saw & one of the cross-pieces would make that middle piece).
I was thinking of one to carry a 5 gallon bucket with a gamma lid. It would be water proof and give you a seat when at your camp. My fat but needs a good seat.
Theodore Sloat There was a guy that did a video on making a backpack out of a garbage pail (the channel is The Backwoodsman"s Institute). Something like that might suit your fancy. Maybe a PVC frame like on whatever video Dave did on that with the bucket attached & done up like on the other video to make it a more useful pack?
...just got one and love it so far. I put a chain saw, rope and a hookaroon on it and it was fine climbing up the mountain and through thick brush. . For a pack I put a condor3 on it and used the straps to atach to the frame with plenty of room still yet for a two blanket bed roll. This allowed for uninterupted access to the pack while on the frame, where as using rope to tie it down would be a bit of restriction to the contents of the Condor like Dave mentioned. The list of benifits to the Bullpac go on the more I use it.
I like using an external frame. Being a larger guy.. my sleep system has to fit .. not sure I'd have room if I stuffed it into an internal pack. Thanks for the video
I have a question, and please, anyone with a suggestion I'm all ears. I'm transitioning from more general bushcraft toward living history, 18th century style woods skills and gear. I've always used a bear bag for my food and such due to living in Wisconsin where bears and other critters getting at your food is always a concern. What would be a more historicly accurate means of food safety as far as critters big and small is concerned? Thanks.
A possible modification to the Raycraft pack. Install a vertical inward bow limb, attached via leather strapping to the top angle. Cut the length to the cross bar. Cut bottom of limb with flat inward notch. Cut out a flat outward notch at the middle of the crossbar. Provides greater back support, and pack support. When putting down the pack on the ground, tilt out the limb, becoming a tripod support device. Keeps the pack upright, dry, and clean. Makes it cleaner, instead of laying on the ground, upside a dirty log or tree, or leaning onto a tent structure. Allows easier access to the pack, without having to hold the pack upright. Tripod design allows easier air drying of the pack, and allowing heat-and-air drying near a fire.
conawayjb yes plus 1 on this I have gotten rust off old hammers and tools just like this just be sure to use gloves sometimes the white vinegar and the rust can get rough on the hands , good tip Conaway
Dave? The last frame shown (pack removes from frame), you mentioned it had a spare metal rod on one side. My question is, are those rods long enough for them to also be used as a tripod for one's small cooking fire?
Those antique packs are nothing short of beautiful. Kudos to you for finding and collecting them. How awesome, and I am envious!
I note that there is no mention of one of today's basic frame chores - removing the load from the shoulders, and placing it on the hips. Shoulder straps being used for attachment and balance only.
I can attest that in my younger days, when I didn't understand that concept and hung everything on my shoulders - I hurt, bad, a lot.
Thanks Dave!
You could start your own museum with all the cool stuff you have. Thanks for bringing these packs to UA-cam. I found this to be very interesting.
Dave, I know you hear this all the time but your videos are the most helpful on you tube. Can't wait to see what you come up with. Looking forward to part two.
That was awesome Dave. I really liked the history on packing devices. The frame and modular design is a great idea again. The potential in that design is enormous. Can't wait for the next part.
I can't wait to see what you come up with Dave.
I was just researching this subject last night. Found some interesting examples ( Blades and Bushlore >>>diy and homemade gear >>> wooden pack frame). Especially interesting to me was the canoe chair/pack frame. I'm looking forward to part two.
Thanks Dave
I'm really looking forward to part 2 of this. I hope it'll turn up soon. Love the videos, Thanks, Dave!
Thank you Dave for the video.You jolted my memory on using the stitcher.I used it to repair my moccasins.I am going to make a knife sheath with it.
Great vid. Looking forward to the next.
Same. Great intro to the concept. I can see this going two ways - one from natural resources, and two from - as he stated - scrap wood... which I guess means wood from a mill.
For those asking Tom Roycraft's name is actually spelled with an "A" not and "O" it is pronounced with an Ahh sound. Althought to us in the US that would seem to be Craft as in Crafting in Canada it is pronounced Ahh to sound like croft- Hope this helps for those confused, I know it was new info to me not long ago-
Love the crickets in the back ground Dave!
lol i have spelled it croft many times feeling pretty dumb right now
good to see that trapper nelson pack. glad you like it dave,
This was actually absolutely fascinating.
DAVE!!! Great to see ya man!! You've been so busy that i feel I haven't seen you in forever lol Great Vid!!!
Wow I had no idea how long external frames have been around that is crazy thanks Dave.
Great job on the background details, I look forward to seeing what you come up with.
Take Care.
nice video dave, looking forward to your next videos.
Really great vid. Please keep up the good work Dave
Solid advice from Geralt of Rivia.
Can't wait to see what you come up with
Looking forward to Part 2!
Nice Whelen tent,Dave.
Very interesting video, thanks Dave.
Is there a part 2? I'm not seeing it. I've been interested in this for quite a while and don't want to just spend a lot of money on a sub par commercially available pack without knowing what I can do on my own.
Thanks, Dave. My son's orthodontist is a big collector of old kayaks, canoes, and outdoors gear and he has a trapper frame in his office for decoration. Thanks for letting me in on what it was exactly. I knew it was some sort of pack frame, but I had no idea it was that important. So, will SRO have a Trapper Nelson inspired pack in its future?
just made a modified roy craft frame cant wait to field test it . the bank line works good
Hey good stuff David. The 3 steel rods on the Trapper Nelson look to me like possibly skewers, or connected together with a ring, to make a tripod for cook fire?
interesting, I started toying with this idea a few weeks ago. After doing some reading and looking around, I decided to give build my own pack frame a try for a little project. I haven' gonna past the doodling stage, but It'll be interesting for me to see what direction you'll go in.
Some advice on matching Pack size to body size would be great info If you could share it. I was planing to more or less wing it, hahaha!
Nick! When will part two come out?
Thanks a lot for LIVING it brother!! Like an ole fellow brick layer use to tell me, "Son, you can't tell somebody something until you've been to the place"! Part two.....??? God bless all.
Hey Dave, just a quick thought. I do tree work for a living, and use a ww2 swiss military rucksack to haul my gear. When I'm carrying a heavy load I always sit down to take the weight off my shoulders and remove the pack. Of course with that d-ring design you would still need to slip your arms out.
Great video
can't wait to see what ya come up with
Great vid, as always. Very interesting, very inspiring! Let me add one thing, Ötzi was found on the border between Austria and Italy :-)
Greetings from Austria/Vienna
Thomas
Dave, would you mind doing a video on how to use a tumpline? Never seen it done & explained. I'd imagine it would have some risks & warning signs, would really like to know about how to do that one right.
Great vid man.
That trapper nelson pack, d'you reckon it has three stays so the owner could knock up a quick tripod for cooking when arriving at camp?
never seen that alaskan frame before, definitely interesting. but simply having the straps as ropes and tucking them under the lower extensions where the rings go to make a waist strap as seen on the ozti pack or native pack frames would seen to be easier to handle, your thoughts?
Dave do you mind making a tutorial video about waxing the straps on the Duluth scout pack or any type of Duluth pack. Thanks
Like the history and types you show, I have been wanted to build a wood frame for awhile, difference? You do it, I just think about it, and have not done it, LOL Where do you get the energy man!!
Hows part 2 coming Dave?
Just had a thought about something you might want to do: Make your back able to turn into a saw frame or a bow of some sort. At least having the ability to carry saw blades or arrows directly in the frame shouldn't be too hard (especially if you're using metal or PVC pipe). If you're only using wood, I'd think it'd be fairly easy for someone to figure out how to make part of it into a bucksaw (maybe the sides are the top & bottom of the saw & one of the cross-pieces would make that middle piece).
I was thinking of one to carry a 5 gallon bucket with a gamma lid. It would be water proof and give you a seat when at your camp. My fat but needs a good seat.
Theodore Sloat There was a guy that did a video on making a backpack out of a garbage pail (the channel is The Backwoodsman"s Institute). Something like that might suit your fancy. Maybe a PVC frame like on whatever video Dave did on that with the bucket attached & done up like on the other video to make it a more useful pack?
i like you traditional outfit and equipment- cooler than ultralight
hi dave - they found ötzi between north and south-tyrol in the ötztal alps. that's where he got his name from...
I know at one point you had a Bull Pack Frame, did you ever use it in the field? What is your thoughts on it?
...just got one and love it so far. I put a chain saw, rope and a hookaroon on it and it was fine climbing up the mountain and through thick brush. . For a pack I put a condor3 on it and used the straps to atach to the frame with plenty of room still yet for a two blanket bed roll. This allowed for uninterupted access to the pack while on the frame, where as using rope to tie it down would be a bit of restriction to the contents of the Condor like Dave mentioned. The list of benifits to the Bullpac go on the more I use it.
I like using an external frame. Being a larger guy.. my sleep system has to fit .. not sure I'd have room if I stuffed it into an internal pack.
Thanks for the video
nice dog!
Dave, I don't know but with 3 stays in that pack would it have been used as a spit or a cooker of dome kind
I have a question, and please, anyone with a suggestion I'm all ears. I'm transitioning from more general bushcraft toward living history, 18th century style woods skills and gear. I've always used a bear bag for my food and such due to living in Wisconsin where bears and other critters getting at your food is always a concern. What would be a more historicly accurate means of food safety as far as critters big and small is concerned? Thanks.
A possible modification to the Raycraft pack. Install a vertical inward bow limb, attached via leather strapping to the top angle. Cut the length to the cross bar. Cut bottom of limb with flat inward notch. Cut out a flat outward notch at the middle of the crossbar. Provides greater back support, and pack support.
When putting down the pack on the ground, tilt out the limb, becoming a tripod support device. Keeps the pack upright, dry, and clean. Makes it cleaner, instead of laying on the ground, upside a dirty log or tree, or leaning onto a tent structure. Allows easier access to the pack, without having to hold the pack upright.
Tripod design allows easier air drying of the pack, and allowing heat-and-air drying near a fire.
good video old linkless wants to see what you come up with
Could you show how to make the Roy croft frame?
Maxwell Salvatore Roycroft Pack Frame and Lashings Part 1
What are some cheap ways to de-rust metal?
WD-40 + Abrasive pad (steel wool, Scotsbrite pad, etc.)
White vinegar works well
conawayjb I would also add scrubbing.
Naval Jelly
conawayjb yes plus 1 on this I have gotten rust off old hammers and tools just like this just be sure to use gloves sometimes the white vinegar and the rust can get rough on the hands , good tip Conaway
Can someone please direct me to Part 2 of this video?
I bet that extra stay was in there so the wearer could make an impromptu tripod for cooking. They do look small though.
I was thinking there could have been more stays at one time, to be used as tarp/tent pegs
cool
you should take a look at the Norwegian military backpack..
shit gerald, i like what you are doing now
Er, where is part 2???
Dave? The last frame shown (pack removes from frame), you mentioned it had a spare metal rod on one side. My question is, are those rods long enough for them to also be used as a tripod for one's small cooking fire?
Tom Roycroft is the proper name.Great subject,love these short bits of info...
I like this, interesting history AND a interesting project , what not to like :o) two thumbs up ....
thank you
am not trying to be mean be who cares what pack frame to use?