Ranking Every Dragonflight Dungeon w/ Dorki, Growl, Dratnos & Jdotb

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  • @rymesyt851
    @rymesyt851 10 місяців тому +380

    Throne of the Tides should have been a D tier because it is under the C

  • @alexg959
    @alexg959 10 місяців тому +95

    100% agree with Dorki. Bad camera angles are the difference between enjoying a dungeon and not. Not being able to see the dungeon, your own character, your teammates, enemies....its not enjoyable. Its like playing a game in 240p. And taking avoidable damage and/or dying doesnt feel deserved because you're staring half at the staff on your character's back and half at the inside of a mobs body. I prefer to see the game I'm playing if at all possible lol

    • @KevsShwaShwa
      @KevsShwaShwa 10 місяців тому +3

      100% agree. There shouldn’t be anything that can get in the cameras way at max distance. Even if there are trees, it shouldn’t exist for the camera looking down through it.

    • @grahamvandyke
      @grahamvandyke 10 місяців тому +3

      Waycrest is legit my least favorite dungeon this season, and I would say 60% of the reason why is because of the bad camera angles. It's so bad every time I do that god forsaken place I'm just running on tilt the entire time.

    • @shadowdragon8168
      @shadowdragon8168 10 місяців тому +1

      100% agree, having a fucked camera is so annoying and unfun. Max's take on that was super bad. Seems like Max has quite a few L takes when it comes to visual stuff, which surprises me.

    • @grahamvandyke
      @grahamvandyke 10 місяців тому +2

      @@shadowdragon8168 It's a very confusing take by Max for sure. Getting hit by stuff and dying literally JUST because you can't see anything with a tree in your face or your camera up your ass is the very definition of toxic.

    • @Zalorel4112
      @Zalorel4112 10 місяців тому

      Sanguine Depths was my least fave dungeon in SL for this exact reason. Unfortunately I was venthyr so I was constantly getting dragged in by my guild

  • @Enigma7767
    @Enigma7767 10 місяців тому +133

    Came for the vibes with dorki, max, growl, drat, was not disappointed. Also it had that old dude that sits on his porch yelling about everything possible.

    • @Comatose1231
      @Comatose1231 10 місяців тому +1

      Say you don't like JB without saying you don't like JB

    • @iantha999
      @iantha999 10 місяців тому +19

      @@Comatose1231 I love JB, but his discription of JB is very acurate.
      The old guy sitting on his porch yelling about everything possible, can be very lovable aswell.

    • @Enigma7767
      @Enigma7767 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Comatose1231 say you don't follow the memes without saying you don't follow the memes

    • @Comatose1231
      @Comatose1231 10 місяців тому

      @@Enigma7767 say you got trolled without saying you got trolled

    • @Enigma7767
      @Enigma7767 10 місяців тому +7

      @@Comatose1231 bro give it up. You tried to make a point, it failed. You got called out and now you're futility trying to say "just trolling bro". Pretty sad. Take the L and move on with your life before you embarrass yourself further.

  • @Wendygram
    @Wendygram 10 місяців тому +30

    It's interesting that you guys love all the dungeons that low 20's healers hate. High enough for those challenging bosses to be truly hard to heal, but not high enough for DPS to know how to press defensives properly. The amount of times I had DPS not pressing their walls until after the damage event, reacting to getting low, in keys like AA or HoV... made me hate healing those.

    • @tkaz123
      @tkaz123 10 місяців тому +6

      Amen. Never understood why people pressed their defensives until AFTER they get fucking nuked by an unavoidable AOE. Like, there's literally nothing happening after it so why even press the button lmao.

    • @1un4cy
      @1un4cy 10 місяців тому +3

      Like when someone has the bleed on iridikron and they don't use any defensives on the soak.
      Warlock died and was like "i hit death's pact" yea a 30% health shield aint stopping most of that, use unending resolve for straight damage reduction for something that important

    • @Dabasin
      @Dabasin 10 місяців тому

      @@1un4cy I main a healer, so im more ore less in tune when to use defensives. Yesterday while playing an alt had a healer who just ignored me when i got the dot 3 times in a row :) i would die before the aoe soak starts. Good thing we had Battle rezes :) this was in a 20. I was baffled how he had timed a 20 before.

  • @Aryathehunter
    @Aryathehunter 10 місяців тому +4

    I think this video perfectly portrays the difference between casual players and top end players.

  • @TeddBuddy
    @TeddBuddy 10 місяців тому +10

    BFA s3 affix was the most fun ever. The ability to enter Shadowrealm and skip whatever you wanted. Created many fun diverse routes. also Twilight dev was rly fun

    • @balrawg5990
      @balrawg5990 6 місяців тому +2

      That was S4 since BFA had 3 patches contrary to SL and DF

    • @sleepy5202
      @sleepy5202 4 місяці тому

      S3 is the azshara affix btw

  • @zebulonbare326
    @zebulonbare326 10 місяців тому +75

    Algathar Academy got hard carried by the tree boss area.

    • @nilsp9426
      @nilsp9426 10 місяців тому +30

      you have been identified as a DPS player

    • @ErebusFOG
      @ErebusFOG 10 місяців тому +2

      @@nilsp9426 that's most of the player base though

    • @yassimchenard243
      @yassimchenard243 10 місяців тому +4

      As a healer academy was probably the worst key to ever heal in tyran in pugs...

    • @iddqd_wow
      @iddqd_wow 10 місяців тому +1

      @@yassimchenard243YEP hearing JB get steamrolled on this one over his correct take on Vexamus was frustrating

    • @ephemerisone74
      @ephemerisone74 10 місяців тому

      wrong opinion. dungeon had great pulls as a mage i could spell steal shit, was goated with the sauce.

  • @geo7254
    @geo7254 10 місяців тому +27

    this tier list is absolutely fucking cooked holy shit

  • @Catxukluth
    @Catxukluth 10 місяців тому +31

    Algathar bird boss might be the worst boss this season, it was broken in like 7 different ways. The bleed being cauterized was dumb, the fire swirlies having terrible visuals was annoying, the ball things would bug out a lot, mages could infinitely kite the boss, los'ing the screech, etc. No clue how that boss didnt just get its numbers gutted to make it free if they werent going to bother fixing it at all

    • @ryanpower1291
      @ryanpower1291 10 місяців тому +10

      Sometimes the bird adds before the boss just decided they didn't want to show up like a few weeks in and would brick a key until people figured out how to get them unstuck. And even then I think you needed certain classes in order to do it. I just know I wasn't one of the classes

  • @yassimchenard243
    @yassimchenard243 10 місяців тому +15

    Ok but the argument about shadowmoon being a free key upgrade can be made about underrot too tho.

    • @coleragsdale4827
      @coleragsdale4827 10 місяців тому +1

      They said that, but they still liked the dungeon over others

    • @lost1head
      @lost1head 10 місяців тому

      I was happy Underrot was easy because I hated that dungeon.

  • @Dabasin
    @Dabasin 10 місяців тому +10

    Not that anyone is reading this, but Galakrond's Fall is kinda nice, because even if you fail it, you feel like you could do better. The dificultyness in it feels achievable. Unlike Everbloom or DHT. Where you just hope for the best the whole run

  • @TheGImp1214
    @TheGImp1214 10 місяців тому +28

    Something finally made you give up the cataclysm mouse

  • @carteks1
    @carteks1 10 місяців тому +16

    I was pugging top 1% of keys really early in the season as Rdru. And pugs in algathar would basically say “let’s hope this Druid can get us through vexamus”

  • @Pantrice1
    @Pantrice1 10 місяців тому +12

    Obviously none of them healed Nokhud as a Prevoker. Where your dps is all the way the fuck in Antarctica on the 2nd boss, so none of your spells reach them and your aoe spells only hit half the party. And then people getting one shot by the adds on the last boss.
    C Tier dungeon at best.

    • @Aggrofool
      @Aggrofool 10 місяців тому

      You can ask the DPS to stand closer to 2nd boss, and let those who refuse (usually BM hunters) to fend for themselves.

    • @Telados
      @Telados 10 місяців тому

      Also had to dragonride in a dungeon with a timer, that sucked pretty hard

    • @NanoLT
      @NanoLT 9 місяців тому +1

      @@Telados Dragonriding is mega fast and easy though lol

    • @Telados
      @Telados 9 місяців тому +1

      @@NanoLT It's still not good in a timed dungeon

    • @NanoLT
      @NanoLT 9 місяців тому +2

      @@Telados Don't agree at all, it makes absolutely no difference.

  • @jaredmtatro
    @jaredmtatro 10 місяців тому +2

    As a scrub player, i enjoy listening to the takes on the higher keys. I wont experience them but dig listening to the opinions over the seasons.

  • @Aaronmillager
    @Aaronmillager 6 місяців тому +4

    I know this is older, but it’s kinda weird that they mention a dungeon being linear is bad but also say “you have to go the right way” in things like brackenhide? Is it just the _idea_ of non-linearity that’s wanted?

  • @Tensooni
    @Tensooni 10 місяців тому +2

    Azure vault was fun for competent groups that knew how to capitalize on the flexibility. I can confirm that around the +20 range it was one of the least fun dungeons out there.

  • @aura6400
    @aura6400 10 місяців тому +19

    Ruby Life Pools was turbo-ass, weird ranking

  • @mangamk7294
    @mangamk7294 10 місяців тому +4

    Okay cool so we got a comp group tier list but can we get a tier list for pugs because this is not it lol

  • @baris9444
    @baris9444 10 місяців тому +15

    Eh ? Azure vault A ? That thing was a living nightmare and i really hope anything similar doesnt happen again

    • @Quark214
      @Quark214 7 місяців тому +1

      yeah, for anyone running with pugs for the most part, it was a nightmare

  • @RaventhortheWarrior
    @RaventhortheWarrior 10 місяців тому +2

    My fury warrior brain has some differences:
    Rise is great, constant cleaves, first room is pog, sand room is a constant stream of reasonable mobs, and cones feel satisfying to bait on multiple bosses. Courser as a possible drop is fun, and in the 43 Rises I spammed in a row for Gorehowl I found myself enjoying it more and more. Still my favorite S3 high key to do, as long as people have just the smallest of IQs to manage baiting cones on tyr/battlefield
    WM is terrible. Waiting the 2 seconds for sisters to swap eyes is cringe. Second boss can just choose to ruin a specific target repeatedly. You can't spell reflect Lord Waycrest's dot because it pops on him, which then pops on everyone in melee. Waiting for the tank to pull groups out into the courtyard is a snoozer, and the hallways are terrible for storming, sanguine, etc if you don't, so you *have* to.
    Throne is awesome. Getting targetted by every Sentinel pack by Crushing Depths and spell reflecting a 1.6m dot onto the enemy is pure dopamine. Third boss has some wonky scares with flame shocks and totems but the dungeon as a whole is fine.
    Atal'Dazar is my most feast or famine dungeon. The pulls feel great as a dps but there's so many required interrupts and protection bubbles. Can't spell reflect hex or, once again, it'll pop on people. Final boss has a satisfying spell reflect but you have to get to the very end of the dungeon to learn if people know how to deal with spiders or else your key is insta-bricked.
    Neltharus is one of my least favorite just because everything is the same color. Remember when the Lost Dwarves trinket active was nigh indistinguishable from the trillions of AoE on the ground in neltharus? The mechanics are genuinely fun it's just got that D4 clarity issue in the dungeon where everything is the same color.

    • @jefjon423
      @jefjon423 10 місяців тому

      The sand area is absolutely insufferable on any class that needs to put up dots or ramp at all to get things going. Some classes are just stuck doing less than tank damage because there is no real way for them to ramp damage or generate resources.

  • @mattpitzer5397
    @mattpitzer5397 10 місяців тому

    Insight for S2: From someone who does light pushing, but mostly farms weekly 20s, the start of the season and god comp part was a huge issue for those types of keys. They were much togher then they ever needed to be for non-god comp groups. Anyone who was the guilds Warlock, Rogue, any other healer, non bear tank and other things was so bad. It was infinitely tougher to do then any other season by alot. I rerolled guardian cause it was the nearly the only tank being invited.

    • @francischabot1412
      @francischabot1412 9 місяців тому

      Probably the hardest to heal non legion season ever to a point where it was becoming toxic for non hardcore/pro healers. My highest timed Uldaman was a 17. The only non legion dungeons i did not time at 19+ level. Pug healers were simply unable to heal that key. I've seen relatively high ranked pug healers struggling to heal this dungeon in a 15-16 tyr. I was surprised to see Uldaman that high for me it would have been easily ranked F.

  • @Phoecian
    @Phoecian 10 місяців тому +4

    Dragonflight Season 1 was my first season doing both keys and raids, I will say I was utterly terrible at both the game and my class (enhance shammy.) Personally I thought Nokhund, Azure Vault and Temple were giga swamp ass, although I would love to revisit those dungeons with my improved knowledge and skill.

  • @MakoByte
    @MakoByte 10 місяців тому +4

    It's interesting hearing Jdotb call snapping a "mechanic" rather than an "exploit"

  • @DantesBlowtorch
    @DantesBlowtorch 6 місяців тому

    Chains in Neltharus were hella fun, just like the weapons in NW... I really like dungeon mechanics enabling huge pulls in very uncoordinated pugs

  • @lost1head
    @lost1head 10 місяців тому +1

    Interesting to see such a different perspective. Absolutely hated Underrot in S2. That area around second boss was so painful. Also I don't get why are they asking for more mobs that don't do anything. If they don't do anything whats the point? Take a pen and draw more mobs on your monitor then.

  • @atnosh306
    @atnosh306 10 місяців тому +3

    how the fuck do people not absolutely hate the second boss of underrot, that boss ruined that dungeon for me in bfa and still did this time

  • @christopherneil8265
    @christopherneil8265 10 місяців тому +3

    One thing I will say, is I hated going to Azure Vault. And the only reason is bc there would always be someone that just never decided to learn the mechanics of it every. single. time. I didn't run high keys that season, but people would butt pull, tank not have the right route. It was bad almost every time.

  • @mrchards37
    @mrchards37 10 місяців тому +2

    As a Brewmaster, every dungeon felt like D tier 🤣

  • @DanteDemonZ
    @DanteDemonZ 10 місяців тому +11

    As an entirely soloplayer who pugs, watching this video has really shown me that people who play in comps and in groups have entirely different opinions on dungeons. Maybe the playerbase gets better in the higher end at like 27+ but as someone more casual who only does 23-26 range, seeing dungeons that give me literal PTSD from pugging being placed so high is shocking. You're telling me that people don't die to the last 2 bosses on halls of valor, any boss of ruby, 2nd and 3rd for Underrot??? (And don't get me started on Murozonds Rise) That people actually do mechanics ?? That's crazy, maybe I need to find a group to play with 💀

  • @KyleBJobey
    @KyleBJobey 10 місяців тому

    I'm pretty casual, I am doing 20-24s this season and dont push into high keys. But I don't quite understand why people are so opposed to Augmentation Evokers? Can someone explain? :) Thanks

    • @stevensaddler5530
      @stevensaddler5530 10 місяців тому +2

      Because in season 2 when they came up they became required to the point where the god comp was so much better and it was a result of which class interacts best with Aug the possible key level went up my like 3 or 4 if u had an Aug

  • @spiffy74
    @spiffy74 10 місяців тому

    As a tank, I LOVED Nelth Lair...Guardian MT, loved it in Legion, Loved it when it was brought back this xpac.

  • @jacquesafro
    @jacquesafro 10 місяців тому +1

    Great podcast. As this is now a thing that happens consistently - can we get some better volume levels between all the mics.

  • @1un4cy
    @1un4cy 10 місяців тому

    The fact Thundering was so bad of an affix that they just gave up on seasonal affixes entirely, after shadowlands season 3 and 4 were both absolute bangers.

  • @BrickRosss
    @BrickRosss 10 місяців тому +2

    RLP and AV started as HARD F's then turned into an easy S+imo

  • @sampearson4585
    @sampearson4585 10 місяців тому +27

    disclaimer this whole tier list is coming from the perspective of people who run top 1% keys with full premades 90% of the time .

    • @andred8046
      @andred8046 10 місяців тому +4

      yes, because we'd all rather hear the opinions of people who can't even complete 20s...

    • @sampearson4585
      @sampearson4585 10 місяців тому +12

      @@andred8046 that is the larger portion of the playerbase and your line of thought seems to be shared by blizzard. That may well be one of the reasons why player population has been going down over the years but keep that elitist attitude as the game dies a slow death of a thousand cuts.

    • @popopiidzdsq9079
      @popopiidzdsq9079 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@andred8046 stupid take there is a diff between not completing 20 and not being full premade voice com
      a lot of dungeons should have been put lower cause they are miserable if you are not full premade

    • @erichall090909
      @erichall090909 10 місяців тому +1

      @@sampearson4585yeah but we watch these people to hear from them.

    • @leeman4499
      @leeman4499 10 місяців тому

      Actually they’re running top .1% keys. So yeah, you know their opinion is well informed. Great disclaimer.

  • @Daniel-kn9xr
    @Daniel-kn9xr 10 місяців тому +2

    I dont get the shadowmoon hate, yeah theres one bad boss so what?

  • @voodoo1069
    @voodoo1069 10 місяців тому +3

    I feel like I'm the only person that dislikes underrot. I enjoyed it in bfa because I only played that last season and the pilar skips were a ton of fun but I was only doing like 18-20 as it was my first time playing in 6+ years. In season two I think I had everything at 25 or higher but underrot was only a 22 or 23 it was so bad. Everyone I ran with was bad at worms, over slapping kicks, and the 2nd boss bricked so many runs.
    Also BH had to be my favorite one this expansion but only if you had the god comp or something close to it. So many different things you could do and so much trash you would pull you could do or skips you could do and non required a shroud. Tho you did need a priest or the enjoyment was bricked.

  • @aescendance
    @aescendance 10 місяців тому

    I will say Nelth's Lair was fun, but only if you were a Warrior. So many reflects.
    I love spell reflect ❤

  • @kylechermak7092
    @kylechermak7092 10 місяців тому

    I feel like all the traveling and portal stuff and dungeons would just result in a slightly shorter timer if they weren’t in there. Maybe that’s a cope but designwise blizzard has to be thinking about the fact that doing that travel takes time, and therefore that incrementally moves up the timer fortunate to the travel time time

  • @hehexd2363
    @hehexd2363 10 місяців тому +7

    max thinking that his pugging 25-28s is the same experience as pugging as a whole kept triggering me lol, ur "pugging" in a group where everyone has like 3300+ io. not even remotely close to pugging 15-20s

  • @christopherneil8265
    @christopherneil8265 10 місяців тому +1

    I once got gripped into storming on the last boss of nokhud and it was the worst

  • @MrBonoso
    @MrBonoso 10 місяців тому

    1:26:25 The camera angles are actually the absolute worst in waycrest though, with afflicted and incorporeal weeks that dungeon is just straight up unplayable.

  • @ConnorGrummer
    @ConnorGrummer 10 місяців тому

    Healer (didn't get anywhere near high keys in S1): AA was fine, once ppl learned how the tree boss worked it was pretty puggable. CoS was cool with the profession stuff (I'm an alchemist so I got to poison the guy), and the middle bit was kinda neat but then the boss in the overhang sucked and the last boss was just okay.
    I really liked Nokhud as a healer. Tempest on Tyran weeks felt very rewarding to complete, the best week that season was the bursting/grievous week for me doing Nokhud. Stacking on the centaurs, activating the ballistae for Granith(?) and everything ppl needed to do for last boss was good.
    My least favorite dungeons were probably Nelth's Lair and Brackenhide. Not having a poison dispel on BH made going left after first boss extremely obnoxious and Nelth's Lair the one-shot earthquake thing was annoying with no indicator. Now I know about addons to time those so I probably wouldn't have trouble with it anymore but still, not the greatest design.

    • @Aggrofool
      @Aggrofool 10 місяців тому

      you mean Disease dispel?

    • @ConnorGrummer
      @ConnorGrummer 10 місяців тому

      @@Aggrofool no, the dungeon in general sucks without disease dispels but quite a few classes have those. The left route immediately after the first boss has a bunch of mobs that teleport to people and inflict I THINK a haste reducing DoT poison that kinda trucks if it stacks up a bit.

  • @jenssteins9737
    @jenssteins9737 8 місяців тому

    Jdotb on point again with the scaling

  • @ski_ba
    @ski_ba 10 місяців тому +11

    Young Dip hit that skip, stay bricked - never give up

  • @locusdrifter4709
    @locusdrifter4709 10 місяців тому

    Algeth'ar was the ultimate noob detector. I would calculate the probability of timing the key, based on the number of players that took the 5% vers buff.

  • @LATHSPELL70
    @LATHSPELL70 10 місяців тому

    Temple of the Jade Serpent was a banger as a prot paladin. You also needed spriest and it was fine.

    • @LATHSPELL70
      @LATHSPELL70 10 місяців тому +1

      I think if the third boss and trash didn’t one shot tanks on every mechanic that wasn’t a prot pal it would’ve been great. Last boss was oof without priest

    • @kyoden1928
      @kyoden1928 8 місяців тому

      @@LATHSPELL70 i liked mobs interaction with spell reflection i remember taunting those Shas to do big dam with spell reflection and also save tank in high keys obvs coms group

    • @LATHSPELL70
      @LATHSPELL70 8 місяців тому

      @@kyoden1928 yeah warrior was really good until you got hit by the burn on third boss.

  • @baseboned
    @baseboned 10 місяців тому +5

    link the tierlist so we can make our own for discord arguments please

    • @musicjail
      @musicjail 10 місяців тому +1

      URL is visible for the entire video

    • @LimitMaximum
      @LimitMaximum  10 місяців тому +11

      tiermaker.com/create/dragonflight-m-dungeon-pool-tier-list-16203440
      enjoy

  • @onlyme3
    @onlyme3 10 місяців тому

    i like everbloom but the problem with it my class is 6 target capped

  • @riddermark1398
    @riddermark1398 10 місяців тому +1

    JB is hands down the most based content creator WoW streamer person there is and it's not close

  • @boopsii
    @boopsii 10 місяців тому

    Neltharus was especially bad because the spear boss (3rd usually) would break ALL the time when someone dies.

  • @Catxukluth
    @Catxukluth 10 місяців тому

    1:52:30 I've mained bear for the entire expac and god comp wasn't fun for me cause people were absolutely screaming about how bear needs to get nerfed into the ground. Maining something that was horrible for years and then gets buffed and everyone hates you was pretty tilting tbh. Bear was way too good but they were definitely not the main problem of god comp and people treating them like the class you play ruined the game kinda sucked

  • @francischabot1412
    @francischabot1412 9 місяців тому

    It's weird that they seem to rate dungeons based on if **** one shot them or not while me a casual player doing 24-25 keys and pugging healers i would rate dungeons based on if the pug healer can heal the rot damage or not (with me helping him with my CDs and pot). Everbloom would have been much lower in my ranking. I tried to like this dungeon but finding a pug healer able to heal the rot damage in this dungeon is super hard. I've timed both Murozond and TotT in 24 and i feel like i could time them in 25 (given the opportunity) yet i'm still stuck in 23 for Everbloom despite many attempts to time it in a 24 just because the pug healer can't heal the rot damage and there's too many interrupts to do and i'm a range so i can't help much on that.

  • @Fleato
    @Fleato 10 місяців тому

    nokhud was kinda good, my main gripe is that that key felt like 90% of failures you didnt even know if it was a fail until the very end really. and sometimes that last boss just fucked someone randomly. waycrest should be S tier, the m+ fixes over the years have made it so great to me. like no sanguine in waycrest is awesome lol.

  • @thefrayedends
    @thefrayedends 10 місяців тому +8

    Academy is straight up goated. Worst case scenario it's a top three lol.

    • @livvw
      @livvw 10 місяців тому +2

      I think peoples opinion of it would change with the current set of affixes, I just remember a lot of the affixees being a pain. I think its a bit overrated, the tree boss area is all most people remember it for.

    • @someguy3508
      @someguy3508 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@livvwAcademy is better than every dungeon this season. Interesting bosses, good trash and perfect duration. Dungeons in s3 are garbage

    • @thefrayedends
      @thefrayedends 10 місяців тому

      @@livvw well yes definitely, and also, there's several major different frames of reference for how you view them, based on time, and the level of content you wanted to do. I just casually did KSM on a pres evoker and a Prot warrior, so I'm certainly not a bleeding edge player, which makes a lot more sense why I would place AA as top tier, it's just fun, meme worthy, and not overly stressful on ~16/17

  • @Sargaxiist2022
    @Sargaxiist2022 10 місяців тому

    HoV was kinda ass but tbh as a prot pally in like +29s and 30s it always felt sooooooo good to just call out the Fenryr fixate and just BoP the target and blast Fenryr for the whole 10s fixate.
    I like that type of counterplay. Its all physical damage so i can BoP it and we blast.
    I will agree that its a little ass backtracking a lot and my god Skovald and the 4 kings mini bosses was just ugh can this be over already.

  • @beeftank_jr8314
    @beeftank_jr8314 4 місяці тому

    Maybe I missed you guys touching on this for Atal'Dazar, but the one thing I always feel is that it feels like the dungeon only really has one boss (that's overtuned). The first three bosses are so cakewalk tier, and you only really find out how long the dungeon is going to take you when you get to Yazma. Absolutely hated that about it.

  • @kanor13
    @kanor13 10 місяців тому +8

    Rise + Fall is definitely the worst mega-dungeon to come out since they became a thing in legion, both in terms of fun and vibes

  • @LividAardvark3911
    @LividAardvark3911 10 місяців тому +1

    I mean you love Everbloom if you're playing VDH and Prot Paladin all day.
    Do it on another tank that can't trivialize the Magic Damage or DreadPetal damage amp/slow. Then it's an absolute D tier dungeon.

    • @nofoxgiven6561
      @nofoxgiven6561 10 місяців тому

      How they still haven't made the flowers not apply on death affixes is a wonder to me.

    • @LividAardvark3911
      @LividAardvark3911 10 місяців тому

      @@nofoxgiven6561Yeah, that too.

    • @Sly_rim
      @Sly_rim 10 місяців тому

      Third boss on Holy Priest makes Everbloom Z tier

  • @viberaider6852
    @viberaider6852 10 місяців тому +1

    I absolutely love platforming aspects of the game / dungeons like the rise obstacle, i wish there were more

  • @finalbarrage7108
    @finalbarrage7108 10 місяців тому

    Hey, i have a take on keys scaling up to "oneshot" territory
    What if they tuned the keys for the absolutely highest, and oneshot mechanics would do like, 110% of your health, so any defensives or AOE raid CD would save you, and tune healing thoughput on each pack etc etc at this high keylevel
    And then downscale it to a +2 from there. And whatever you end up on at +2 becomes your baseline?

  • @RAWRitsWidger
    @RAWRitsWidger 10 місяців тому

    Oh wait did Growl know that Resto Shaman could also reveal the imposter in Court of Stars?

  • @VermilionSunsets
    @VermilionSunsets 10 місяців тому

    Oooh yes this a big one

  • @Boxkar24
    @Boxkar24 10 місяців тому

    Aesthetically, I love Halls of Infusion. Anything that reminds me of Ulduar or Throne of Thunder gets a thumbs up from me. As for M+, I think I did like an 8 of these dungeon once in that season (after returning to the game because shadowlands) and for whatever reason my group couldn't los behind the ice blocks for shit! I'd drop the hell outta Underrot cause I practically lived in there during BFA

  • @stevensaddler5530
    @stevensaddler5530 10 місяців тому

    I would love to see this ranking but at 20s level

  • @TorAndreKongelf
    @TorAndreKongelf 10 місяців тому +1

    Totally disagree at 01:58:00 that dungeons should go faster in next expansion. If there is one thing we do not lack in this game in dungeon is the super fast gogo mentallity. There is allready way too much of that.

  • @Fleato
    @Fleato 10 місяців тому

    my top timed key currently is fall..... we had 30 deaths..... and still almsot 2x'd it. that key is so fucking free it's crazy when it doesn't get timed.

  • @ephemerisone74
    @ephemerisone74 10 місяців тому

    wish i had this template to do myself

  • @CrippsyS
    @CrippsyS 10 місяців тому +5

    Not sure what you guys are cooking with Halls of Valor in A tier let alone same tier as Algethar! WTF. Halls of Valor was melee unfriendly, way too much running, way too much RP. Comparing it to Algethar is blasphemy.

  • @jsingle5
    @jsingle5 10 місяців тому

    I think Rise would feel a lot, lot better if the route was cleaner and there was significantly less mandatory wasted time. Between RP, portals and just meh boss design, the key just feels slow and sluggish. It's near the polar opposite of Fall -- generous timer and solid release points makes the key very forgiving, whereas Rise is a key where the timer straight up lies to you and one wipe pretty much means a dead run.

  • @chlorosofor
    @chlorosofor 10 місяців тому

    I have a love hate relationrelationship with ship with Court of starts. Me and my buddies ran that dungeon non stop cause 3 of us needed wet stone and also the ring. Overall we ran that dungeon around 100 times before we got it on all the chars. Never played legion so that’s why I enjoyed it a bit more. But ye after a 100 tries I don’t want to see that place ever again

  • @MarieJohanna100
    @MarieJohanna100 10 місяців тому

    is this going to be an episode of poddy c or no

  • @goilen962
    @goilen962 10 місяців тому

    Algethar is gonna be super hated if it comes back - doing Crawth without a preservation is gonna suck so hard.

  • @contristatus
    @contristatus 10 місяців тому +1

    glad JB was included in this, seems rare he ever has an L take

  • @VigneAi
    @VigneAi 10 місяців тому +1

    I think its time to bring someone who pug keys, the fact that you consider normal the scaling of the last boss in Nokhud is insane, that Boss was a pug serial killer wasting al lyour time (23-25ish)

  • @cameronkilcoyne1366
    @cameronkilcoyne1366 10 місяців тому +1

    Dratnos is always the best guest for me (JUST MY OPPIINIIOONNN!!! 😂). He gives both positive and negative feedback, and in such a level headed delivery.
    Most of the guests just seem like a ball of negativity, and just rage dump non-stop. It just sucked all the joy out of things. Also, being nothing but positive isn't useful either, but that is way more rare of an occurrence 😂

  • @3allz
    @3allz 10 місяців тому +3

    The Arcway from Legion was better than CoS imo. Last boss was hard but the dungeon its self was more interesting.

  • @Saviorse1f
    @Saviorse1f 10 місяців тому

    Rate dungeons on their interaction with affixes. For instance, Explosive Algathar Academy was Horrendous!

  • @livvw
    @livvw 10 місяців тому +1

    I'd love to have gone back and done season 1 without all the garbage affixes. Thundering, quaking and explosive made a lot of dungeons toxic for overlapping boss mechanics with these affixes.

  • @OfficialLeroux
    @OfficialLeroux 10 місяців тому +3

    Algethar and Brackenhide ABSOLUTE s tier. Halls of infusion, court of stars and ShadowMoon burial ground poopoo tier

  • @osaca2273
    @osaca2273 10 місяців тому

    Waycrest manor is the biggest upset for me on this list. The dungeon is so much easier if you play mage or even 2x mage, and that shouldn't be the case. for me there's too much movement on the bosses/curse/interupts, it's limited what comps you can bring on 26+

  • @SaltyKeldion
    @SaltyKeldion 10 місяців тому

    Court and Shadowmoon are singularly responsible for capping IO score from untimed keys at +20. They were wildly out of sync with the other S1 dungeons.

  • @wgcdrelliot8989
    @wgcdrelliot8989 10 місяців тому +8

    Halls of valor in A, but neltharus in D? who let them cook??

    • @ch.kv.
      @ch.kv. 10 місяців тому +1

      Ah you're the guy that enjoyed Neltharus, heard rumors of your existence - never believed it though. 🤣🤣

    • @ruthimuu
      @ruthimuu 10 місяців тому

      ​@@ch.kv.my brother in law did neltharus 50+ times just for the trinket and he still enjoyed it😂

    • @wgcdrelliot8989
      @wgcdrelliot8989 10 місяців тому +2

      i am nor saying nelth is S tier, but halls of valor in A is a heinous crime.

    • @IanStrain23328
      @IanStrain23328 10 місяців тому

      @@ch.kv. Nelth is so much better than Halls.

    • @jefjon423
      @jefjon423 10 місяців тому

      Nelth wouldve been great if the bosses worked properly and the chains didnt exist

  • @MrPRegal14
    @MrPRegal14 10 місяців тому

    As a +15 PUG tank... Vortex, freehold, Waycrest are S tier

  • @naph67
    @naph67 10 місяців тому +1

    dang my noob ass take is way different. My S tier would be SBG, HoV, BRH, and CoS. F tier: VP, Underrot, Vault & Temple.

    • @melipnos
      @melipnos 10 місяців тому

      Curious, what makes underrot F for you?

    • @naph67
      @naph67 10 місяців тому

      @@melipnos mostly the 2nd boss and the trash leading up to it i didn't find fun at all but also the last boss was infuriating in some pugs where they would not bait the frontal properly. the 3rd boss was fun but could be a disaster on tyrannical weeks.

    • @melipnos
      @melipnos 10 місяців тому

      @@naph67 I see, I didn't pug a lot and those packs were always fun to do. Might be a bit punishing if you don't stop the frontals in pugs

  • @Serdou
    @Serdou 10 місяців тому

    I like your tier list, just some adjustment : TOTT D tier, ToJS C tier, Algethar academy S tier, Ruby life pool S tier, Season 2 F tier (Neither you play one of the meta spec, nor you're out of >+20)
    Just 1 god comp deserve Z tier to me. It was a terrible time to play M+ for any spec other than god comp, and I am saying that as a healer.

  • @jean-sebastienbisson7915
    @jean-sebastienbisson7915 10 місяців тому +1

    Court in C is wild. That place was awesome!

  • @spiffy74
    @spiffy74 10 місяців тому

    Chat is high - Academy is S tier.

  • @JohnLynch0
    @JohnLynch0 10 місяців тому

    Completely disagree on COS. I love the profession buffs and the DH and Paladin being useful at the end.

  • @user-ws9di5kp9h
    @user-ws9di5kp9h 10 місяців тому +1

    Awesome to hear the different takes from different roles and compare them to our general mid IO pug takes. Actually a top tier tier list video. Nice work

  • @haphapablap9273
    @haphapablap9273 10 місяців тому +6

    they just rank it to what ever the first person throws out...

  • @Tihomir21
    @Tihomir21 10 місяців тому +7

    thats why M+ is in state as it is Top 0.1% players sheeting on dungeons where 90% ppl love them

    • @ForeverFridayVideo
      @ForeverFridayVideo 10 місяців тому +2

      Spot on. My thoughts exactly. Halls of valor being rated that high I had to just skip to the end to see what the ratings were. Can’t sit here for 2 hours and listen to these out of touch takes

    • @melipnos
      @melipnos 10 місяців тому

      Everyone has different experiences of course and that's fine. Keys that are easy to farm for gear are probably often rated higher for people not pushing really high keys. I don't think what would fix dungeons for top players would ruin it for lower levels though ans I hope blizzard realise that

  • @StubbyQ0302
    @StubbyQ0302 10 місяців тому +30

    Ranking Underrot S tier was the biggest sin of 2024

    • @lohuune9627
      @lohuune9627 10 місяців тому

      God tier dungeon

    • @Wand422
      @Wand422 10 місяців тому +5

      Prob one of the least interesting dungeon all expansion

    • @drewbediah8744
      @drewbediah8744 10 місяців тому +1

      That dungeon has 3 boring bosses, the first is an actual 1/10 snooze with one person calling kicks for minutes on end. Density is the only win it has going for it.
      B tier at best. Can’t be S if the bosses are bad.

    • @riddert4966
      @riddert4966 10 місяців тому

      Yeah u either +2d it easily with a good group or people died to 2nd boss charge and bodypulled ticks/worms. Huge gamble with pugs the entire season

    • @Tekkn0
      @Tekkn0 10 місяців тому

      2nd boss brings it down a lot for me. Cragmaw would shred a lot of my pugs.

  • @luigi4297
    @luigi4297 10 місяців тому

    fall is one of my favorite keys

  • @MRsmylieLG
    @MRsmylieLG 9 місяців тому

    it is so interesting to see your pov of this. for me, someone who started playing wow in shadowlands and now currently at 3,6k rio this is the best season ever. I kinda like every dungeon and every dungeon has some strength. yeah some bad shit and tuning but overall I like the old dungeons way more then all the dragonflight dungeons. for you all the old (current season) dungeons got worse for me they are great cause I don't know them in another way. the df dungeons are just worse I dunno. s1 and s2 were so bad. bad old dungeon plus bad df dungeons.
    in the end its just different opinions and like I said, very interesting to listen to yours!

  • @apblolol
    @apblolol 10 місяців тому

    As a tank. Neltharus was probably my favorite dungeon. When the chains hit just right, best feeling in the world. Halls was top 3 with everbloom also being a personal favorite. Rise and fall are also really fun for me, alot of my friends hate it but its rounds out my top 5 persobally. But nelth is the only one i put in S

  • @cryogenical_
    @cryogenical_ 10 місяців тому

    I think one of the biggest strengths of HoV is just how dominant the bosses are, they're all incredibly memorable and fun to play. I don't even mind them being massively overtuned at the start, I'm still playing fun bosses.

  • @its.araragi
    @its.araragi 10 місяців тому +2

    AV was so fun because of the different routes and skips you could do
    If they bring it back in s4 they better let us jump down again or i'm gonna be pissed.

  • @TheSilverwing999
    @TheSilverwing999 10 місяців тому

    I like throne of the tides 🤷‍♀️
    Also what is it with Dorki always having to complain, like of course you can have a dungeon season without S tier lol