Wired sending this for you to review worked on me. Was in the market for an e-bike that fits my hilly, rural commute. Just placed my pre-order for one of the blue models. Good job on the video.
@CitizenCycle Why front-wheel drive only is handy. I am a 300 lb guy that lives in the mountains 10 mi from the nearest town. I switch from front to rear wheel every few miles to help prevent the motors from overheating. I can melt the average 1000 watt motor in less than 600 mi. That's the rear motor on an AWD bike. The front motor seem to last two or three times longer than the rear motor. Switching to the front motor when the rear gets hot does wonders for motor longevity. Love the video 👍🍻
@@CitizenCycle925 Does the predator have a temp sensor and display value for both motors separately? Because that would be amazing for monitoring temps and switching. I get high temps very quickly in the hills of CA with both my 2024 and 2024+ unless I closely focus on not giving more throttle than it takes to move the bike when on steep, loose hills.
Wouldnt it make more sense to just run them both all the time? Then they are both half as stressed and don't overheat at all. Am I missing something here?
@@stephenolotu5588 Good question… you’re looking at more weight and faster battery drainage using two motors. Then again it’s all based on settings…. a good question to ask Dan or Steve at WIRED. 😉
I have a lot of steep and rolling hills by me here in CT and my 2024+ handles them all (some to my surprise) with no trouble at all. Like you, I prefer my 2024+ over this which seems to be a little twitchy, but very cool nonetheless.
I just don’t see it being worth it. Tire spinouts are fun a few times but I feel like it’s going to get real old when you’re burning through front tires and never grip the road on the acceleration which is somewhat dangerous. Similar top speed for 1000+ more price and it’s heavier? Doesn’t scream buy me.
I got my freedom 24+ today. When i watched this video earlier today, i felt a little salty this one wasnt available when I ordered. After assembling it this evening and taking it on a test run. I have realized one thing, I do not want to go any faster on a bicycle! The single motor pulls. You will not be disappointed..
You need to get out more Bud.. get out of the library & playing video games all day. It means upset , disturbed & pissed i'm 50 years old also and have heard the term since i was younger. @@firstinlastout
please please please make a vid when you have a chance! if it wasn't right before the winter i'd snatch one up right now but wont get to enjoy it for about 5 months.
@@craigpreston1161total with shipping and taxes plus ship insurance is $3800 , if you don’t get the shipping insurance you will be blamed for the damage. Personal experience!
If you think $3200 is a lot try buying a Specialized Turbo Levo Expert (carbon) it goes for $10,000. Ok enough with the drag strip demo. This is not a Mtn bike, it’s a Ev motorcycle. Would of liked to have seen it on a trail with switch backs, 18% grades and downhill braking. I could see this bike spinning out on gravel and tarring up a trail. Let’s call it a commuter bike instead of a e-Mtn bike. A Mtn biker would never ever have a throttle on a handle bar while in the woods-you’d get thrown into a tree. And why even have pedals-stup.
@@davemcatee270 The WHOLE point...the big name companies Trek, Specialized, etc. ... what they have to offer sub 5 grand can't even REMOTELY touch the capabalities of this stuff...
As a '24 single motor Freedom owner, I love how Wired is pushing their products further and further, but honestly we need a 72V option now. With this much power, I want to be able to go 50mph so I can keep up with traffic anywhere except a highway, while still being able to ride slow and easy at 10mph in a park. Out here in the midwest, that would be an absolute gamechanger.
@@firstinlastout No, that is not an effective solution. I already own a dual motor scooter that goes about 35, and that's as fast as I wanna go on such a short wheelbase. The portability is amazing and I love the scooter, however, as I can throw it in the back of my car quickly. But it also has other problems: - I can't have a basket and pannier bags on the back for grocery getting - There's no good place to put lights or turn signals for visibility in traffic. It's also smaller, so you're even less visible in traffic than a motorcycle. - It's harder to effectively lock up for theft prevention (they're easy to just disassemble quickly and they don't have great locking points), but a 50mph scooter is also gonna be way too heavy to bring in the store with you if you wanted to take that approach - There's probably others I can't think of right now. But my point is that a 50mph ebike would be the *perfect* middle ground between a motorcycle and a bicycle out here in the midwest if you want to be able to actually carry things on it with you.
@asleepappeal I have a dual motor Lectric and I haven't been kicked off yet. I'm in Pa and they can be fussy. I wish they would just make a MPH limit instead of all the confusion.
@asleepappeal My comment said nothing about it needing to be dual motor. A 72V single hub motor would be just fine. Voltage = top speed, that's why I want more voltage.
it's pretty involved, not just a slap on kit. not only would you need the new motor, controller and wiring you'd also need the new display, new rear controller to replace your current controller, new front fork and the predator sticker. i'm sure i'm forgetting something.
I’m all for it ! Just a thought. I am a 6’3” rider at 250 lbs . The 2024 Freedom can accelerate so fast I need to make sure I’m holding on and leaning forward. Lots of Torque on the 2024.
Hows the suspension on this bike and the range? Im torn on deciding which bike i want between this and the ecells triple crown. Im leaning towards this cause i dont wanna wait 3 plus months for the ecells and also this is nearly half the price. Also have you had it off road riding? Wondering how it handles over rougher terrain
@devinshaw3521 on the streets around town the suspension felt really good, it's a four link suspension with adjustable air shock, quite a bit of travel in it, so it's a soft ride. I have not taken it off-road so I don't know how it handles rough terrain.
Great review. I like that you covered all the performance aspects. My predator was delivered TODAY! Bad part is I found your video after ordering, so no discount for me & I've yet to get home to open, assemble, & check it out.
What is the gps top speed on this model for the money of $ 3200 . Dollars dual motor ? - the other model for $ 1999. You get gps speeds of 40 mph. It makes me question is the price difference worth paying the money for having a dual motor set up. . Thanks for your videos it gives us newbies a better understanding to the ( e. ) world
I think the diffrence is the instant torque and speed. The top speed is similar but I'd imagine the dual motor accelerates about 40-60% faster and the torque to haul up steep hills is much improved.
Top speed is more a dance between motor torque and efficiency. These motors have to put out a lot of power from a dead stop. If they had gears, they could go much, much faster given the right conditions (Down hill/with the wind/etc.) Even just a low and high speed gear. The dual motor costs $1300 more but you get a second battery and second motor. Both of those are kind of where all the cost comes from with an e bike. I think pricing makes sense. And even if you rarely use that 2 wheel drive power, youve got double the battery to get you about twice as far.
@eagle94haslanded wired freedom base model has dual battery integrated into there bikes already. They did this without increasing the cost at all for the additional motor I do understand the extra cost but I think the range will still suffer bec in the base model the dual battery takes u very far. But in this I think with dual motor the battery drank will be significantly more plus the wear and tear on the tires will be alot. I think wired did a good job but with this bike it kind of was n over reach. Like a bigger over reach
@@stephenolotu5588 Oh dang, i see that now. Yeah definitely not worth 1300$ more for just an extra motor. 2k is actually a pretty good price for the single motor unit considering its got dual batteries. I was looking at spending 1100 on a different bike thats dual motor but now im kind of tempted to get this single motor.
Very nice for those in hilly areas. It's nice to see wired offering more options for people. I only wish it hit closer to 50 on the speed.😂 I think I really need to get a hold of that 50 amp controller and put it on my early model 24'. That way I could do 40 much easier.
@@jeremywheeler2122 Because Hentach 1500W Motor does not allow the controller current to exceed 40A, if it exceeds the motor damage caused, they do not provide after-sales service.
I understand your excitement.... It's the acceleration you can only get with a dual motor bike. I just got a Lyric graffiti X , the top speed is 50 mph, but it sucks off the line. I still drive my Grizzly cause I miss that off the line acceleration... especially when I'm in a lot of traffic, you don't want a bike that's sluggish if the line. I notice a lot of the comments saying their bike does 40 like it's biting special. But it's not about top speed... Is about how fast u get there...and under 8 seconds to 40 is absolutely unheard of for ebikes.
Awesome. I have a 2023 Freedom. My accelerator comes in handy for intersections. And if I come to a stop in a higher gear my accelerator is a lifesaver getting this 80# ebike moving as I can't establish a cadence starting off in 7th gear. Other than that I'm mostly in PS1 at 10-15 mph. I kick into PS2 and PS3 for hills on our public trails. Would like your demo and comments on its performance in PS levels at AWD. I live in the mountains and torque is everything. I like to pedal when I'm on my Freedom. Where I live a Class 3 ebike can't exceed 28mph or 750w. My Freedom does 38mph and I've hit 2250w on it.
Yep...I have a Grizzly and there's nothing like a dual motor bike for navigating traffic... people that have never driven a dual motor don't really understand the difference in acceleration.
N.c. law is must not exceed 20mph or 750w motor so idk what e bike to purchase for my first and it will be used for hunting purposes mostly so I want to get a dual motor 750w that I can atleast tell police I only run one motor on highway ... I like the Birch Grolar, the fabulous Havoc dual motor step thru and Ireally want a step thru to traverse in the woods so I can easily step off quickly if needed when gets to rough... and recommendations ?
@@Crayz919wired has a bike called the cruiser, it’s not awd but it does have the same rwd motor as the wired freedom and predator being a 3000w peak motor and it’s a step-through bike. As far as cops go on the road and whatnot I’d just tell them it’s a 750w if they ask and be careful not to go too fast or heavy on the throttle near them.
I bought my 2024 Wired Freedom after watching the reviews here. I even used CC’s discount code for a few bucks off the price. I appreciate his reviews. After watching this one, my opinion is this model would be a greater benefit to those that ride in hilly areas or areas with lots of changes of elevation. Outside of a climbing advantage, and raw takeoff power, I think my 2024 Freedom is as good for typical applications.
yep, the regular Freedoms and Cruisers has ample power, this Predator is just a powerhouse, more than the typical rider needs, i think that is why they only made a small amount.
@@CitizenCycle925 I hear you on that. I could also see this being an advantage for those that one to use on uneven trails, off rode use. Very interesting. And I think it's good that it still looks like a Bicycle.
Even my dual 1KW will spin the front wheel. With those BMX bars, your weight is shifted over the seat. If you had mountain bike bars, with your weight shifted forward, front wheel spin will be "less". But most likely not entirely gone. Might I suggest Innova Hybrid tires to enhance the street traction. This will reduce spin as well. The change to my Innova Hybrid tires helped reduce my front wheel spin.
@@kl3664 ooh right right yes, his screen name is 72v freedom or something along those lines. if you put your bike on the kickstand you'll see it immediately tops out at 49.7 hence me saying it's limited by gearing. was hoping some of our physics guys would chime in.
@CitizenCycle925 If you owned a 2024+ (dual bat) Freedom/Cruiser (as you do), do you personally feel there's a compelling reason to 'upgrade' to this? The 2024+ still laughs at hills and gains speed going up them with the single motor. Has the same top speed as the Predator. The launches in this video have so much wheelspin I have a hard time believing the acceleration is any better either... but you may have the numbers, I don't! I want to be excited about this, but it looks like Wired has found the limits of performance on their current system and may need a redesign to really get to the next level. Which is a shame, because I actually love the low-key nature of the current frame. Unfortunately, slapping another motor on this bike doesn't seem to have produced any meaningful performance upgrades from my point of view, but I would love to hear from someone who's tried both. What are your thoughts?
If you have a 2024 plus Freedom or cruiser and you're happy with the power then I would not upgrade. this bike is a wild ride, it definitely has a ton more power than a freedom or cruiser, way stronger on Hills, way stronger acceleration, slightly higher top speed. I think it's the bike for someone who has a lot of spare cash and just wants the baddest bike out there in terms of power
@@CitizenCycle925Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It is a badass bike, no doubt! Probably would have gone with the Predator had I not just picked up my Freedom a month or two ago. Used your code, thanks for all the great content. Helped me inform my e-bike purchasing decision greatly.
@@CitizenCycle925 Nobody else has mentioned it. Great Job of maintaining control while you had that much front wheel spin. I know of quite a few eBike folks that would have trouble keeping the shiny side up on it under similar circumstances.
What a bike! Love my Freedom 2024 and will add the Predator to my addition.Especially liked this part of the video at 12:24. Had me laughing so hard.Thanks for a great review.
CC has there been any word or review done on Fabulous Furious Road Warrior Ultimate AWD 60v? I am on the fence as to ordering the Wired Predator or waiting on a review done on the Road Warrior Ultimate AWD 60v. Just wanted to see comparison before making decision. However, I don't want to miss out on one of those Predator's. And, also do you think there could be more Wired Predator's to be made in the future or these are going to be the only 100 ever to be made? As of now I really like the power and speed on the Wired Predator. Yours or anyone's thought would be greatly helpful and informative. Thanks again for the great reviews, knowledge, and content.
not sure, i have never been on a Surron or know anyone that has one. i wish i could find someone locally to go head to head with, that would be interesting.
@@CitizenCycle925 Thanks. I also wanted to ask about the front tire spin, how quickly do you estimate the front tire will wear out with constant pulls?
Im impressed with the speed, but Im more focused on handling, agility and overall comfort. Also prefer a torque sensor with little to zero ghost peddling at higher speeds. Havent seen the perfect bike yet, but we're getting there.
my rad city 4 had a torque sensor and i loved it but i wouldn't want that at over 40mph...pushing hard on pedals at those speeds doesn't seem like the best idea! if you could switch from one to the other on the fly would be really cool.
Yes sir, I was. Wondering , if the power button on the back battery is just for The extra tail light? Or is that actually what activates the back battery? having to turn it on first before each ride? In other words do you have to turn that on for the back battery to work?
I'm glad the throttle on your Wired Cruiser works well. The throttle on my Wired Cruiser is a total P.O.S. Impossible to modulate at low levels. I wouldn't try doing a U-turn with my bike using the throttle. At mid to high throttle settings it works as expected but the bottom range is either on or off. Still, I have to say that wired sells a lot of bike for a reasonable price. Mine just doesn't have a nice throttle.
I agree. Love mine, but it's one of the big drawbacks of these bikes to me. As you said, the throttle feels like an on-off switch. There's a bite point it kicks in about 30 degrees into twisting... and honestly, I don't feel any ability to modulate it at all. On or off. I use my pedal assist buttons as 'gearing' and am constantly changing PAS level while I ride to compensate for this. It works fine, but a real throttle would be much nicer.
I have several ebikes and have been waiting for one that is a big step ahead. Now, I'm a motorcyclist too and have never rode one that I considered too much power. Examples are the old Yamaha VMax, FZR1200 and others. I nearly bought the original Wicked, but it wasn't quite there. This has me interested.
😂 Nice presentation, Bryan, on Wired's entry into E-motorcycles. It is definitely more of a specialty "eBike" that, to Wired's credit, not only beats other competitors in its class in price and affordability, but also keeps within the current Regulations Golden Rule of pedaling (acoustic) capability. The good thing for you is that you now know you will soon be able to source 67 to 72 volt controllers and compatible hub motors for your next Gen Citizen Performance Warp Drive Kits! (Just make sure you require those Thrill-Seeking Surron-High-Risk-Taking customers to sign a Consent Form [and maybe insurance] to protect you, your family and your company from injury-based lawsuits.) Keep up the good work! 👍
Just got the graffiti X....i like it but it's slow on take off. I had the Grizzly and really enjoyed the instant acceleration of a AWD bike....i can't even imagine doubling the Grizzlys power. Wow
Are 203mm rotors even sufficient at this point? I've had some "pucker" moments from people pulling in front of me at lower speeds than that thing goes.
The question is, do you think those cheap Chinese tires are speed rated for 40 mph plus? Nobody seems to be asking this. It's like getting a Dodge Charger hellcat, with regular R-rated tires, when it needs ZR rated tires
@@firstinlastout i think all the 26x4 tires are rated for either 20 or 28mph but there are THOUSANDS of us who have maintained over 40mph on them for extended periods of time. doesn't mean we're smart for doing so.
Love my 2024 wired freedom and watched all your videos before and while it was in shipment -as everyone is stating 3000 extra watts and similar top speed is interesting
@@johnnightly5281 i would love to do that to my current freedom, peaking a couple hundred watts higher would be nice...bike is already a monster as it sits!
Front motor seems like a gimmick and that wheel spin is ridiculous. I have a built Talaria pulling about 16,000 watts to the rear wheel and it only burns out on pavement when I make it (front brake pulled, weight over bars.) It will loop out if you're not careful, but not burnout on pavement. Also, with a heavy, powerful e-bike like this, you really should talk more about the brakes & suspension. If they are underspec'd, it's an accident waiting to happen. An offroad segment would be helpful, too.
Thanks for the video! Just in time, we were going to order the furious bikes but once I saw this I placed an order. We will either order a second one or we still might order one Furious. We did use your promo code. The one at the top didn't work but the code in the comments section worked. The only reason we ended up with this bike is because ECELLS could not deliver our order. We had to submit a complaint with our credit card and it took almost two months to get a permanent refund. Looks like everything worked out I think we will be really happy. If we order a second bike we will use your code again. Thanks Greg
Yes, ecells has had nothing in stock for 2 months, and when I call and ask them when they expect their next shipment in, they literally tell me they do not know. Bankruptcy? Remember Enron?
@@firstinlastout I had two bike on order from Ecells and waited almost 3 months. They still could not provide an eta so I had to cancel. Unfortunately they did not refund me my money and I had to file with my credit card. Took almost 2 months to get my money back which is why we just now ordered two predator bikes over the weekend. It actually worked out because these weren't available in April and May.
I live in the city of New York and let me tell you I have a one bedroom apartment and my Wired Freedom fits perfectly fine so don't be afraid of buying one of these. I don't know about this Predator thing. The Wyatt Freedom by itself is fast enough for me
I want to see an honest review of the Predator Vs the MONSTAR. The MONSTAR was shown on radar doing 50mph. My friend has a Wired Freedom. She likes it but has had some problems with it. It took forever for her to get the replacement parts. Every company has issues with a bike. It's like a car. Sometimes you get a part on a new car that just goes bad. I had a bad display on my Dual Star. They did a next day air for my display, and I was up and running again. Customer service is huge in my book.
The math doesn’t add up for the top speed of the monstar AND we don’t know if that radar was calibrated correctly. A gps test would be more accurate however cells has conveniently not shows us that.
lololol .... your "checking the life insurance" scene!! 😁 This ebike is impressively powerful, but I think the expense of replacing tires constantly would soon take away the enjoyment. Thanks for the review!
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Hi, love your videos what type of bike rack are you using in your garage to hang your ebikes?
@@jackattack2060 SteadyRack
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Should have separate throttles
What tire psi should I use on my predator in the front. It ,suggests13-15 lbs. Thoughts ?
Wired sending this for you to review worked on me. Was in the market for an e-bike that fits my hilly, rural commute. Just placed my pre-order for one of the blue models. Good job on the video.
@CitizenCycle Why front-wheel drive only is handy. I am a 300 lb guy that lives in the mountains 10 mi from the nearest town. I switch from front to rear wheel every few miles to help prevent the motors from overheating. I can melt the average 1000 watt motor in less than 600 mi. That's the rear motor on an AWD bike. The front motor seem to last two or three times longer than the rear motor. Switching to the front motor when the rear gets hot does wonders for motor longevity. Love the video 👍🍻
Wow thank you for the input. I never thought of that scenario
@@CitizenCycle925 Does the predator have a temp sensor and display value for both motors separately? Because that would be amazing for monitoring temps and switching. I get high temps very quickly in the hills of CA with both my 2024 and 2024+ unless I closely focus on not giving more throttle than it takes to move the bike when on steep, loose hills.
You might need to keep those two motors on. You might be shortening the life on the motors. You’re a heavy dude! Good riding!!
Wouldnt it make more sense to just run them both all the time? Then they are both half as stressed and don't overheat at all. Am I missing something here?
@Pidgeys because that would cut your range by more than half.
amazing. im over 3000 miles on my Aventon adventure. I love it. this bike looks absolutely fun
I'm good with my '24+ single motor.....I've hit 42mph. That said, this beast would excel at steep trail climbing
Do u think u would get more range on the regular wired freedom or this one
@@stephenolotu5588 Good question… you’re looking at more weight and faster battery drainage using two motors. Then again it’s all based on settings…. a good question to ask Dan or Steve at WIRED. 😉
Depends on how you set up and use it
I have a lot of steep and rolling hills by me here in CT and my 2024+ handles them all (some to my surprise) with no trouble at all. Like you, I prefer my 2024+ over this which seems to be a little twitchy, but very cool nonetheless.
Just used your Link to purchase for March delivery. Whoop Whoop!
That thing is a BEAST. My wife 66 VW bug can't climb hill that good. Thanks 4 the vid. 👍
I just don’t see it being worth it. Tire spinouts are fun a few times but I feel like it’s going to get real old when you’re burning through front tires and never grip the road on the acceleration which is somewhat dangerous. Similar top speed for 1000+ more price and it’s heavier? Doesn’t scream buy me.
Exactly what I'm saying
Plus the speed r relatively the same
It’ll get old until you go back to your old bike then you’ll want the power back again !
The kenda krusade tires are a off road tread. Street tires would stick better.
Your right, I have a 1000W MOTORS AWD 20X4 30AH 48V 1269DOLLARS CHINA IS CHINA 🇨🇳??!!
That's wild! I want one. Also. Good job on the video your editing and all that has gotten a lot better over time
Thank you for that I really appreciate it. I've been trying to improve my presentation over the years
The predator is 20% faster than a Grizzly. It's time for Ariel Rider too step up with a 60 volt. Excellent review CC 👍
I just commented something similar yesterday on another ebike video. Ariel Rider has been left behind.
For real, ariel needs to step up or bow out. They haven’t released a decent bike in ages
Thanks!
Welcome!
I got my freedom 24+ today. When i watched this video earlier today, i felt a little salty this one wasnt available when I ordered. After assembling it this evening and taking it on a test run. I have realized one thing, I do not want to go any faster on a bicycle! The single motor pulls. You will not be disappointed..
I was salty too when I found out that this came out because this is exactly what I wanted.
@@luigiprovencherwhat the heck is salty? I'm 50 years old and I never heard that term before? Do you mean you feel duped?
You need to get out more Bud.. get out of the library & playing video games all day. It means upset , disturbed & pissed i'm 50 years old also and have heard the term since i was younger. @@firstinlastout
@@firstinlastout Pissed off.
Means angry or fustrated @@firstinlastout
You should do a comparison between your all wheel drive kit just for fun! I'd like to see that one
Picked up the last orange one. Thanks for the discount my friend. Looking so forward to it!
please please please make a vid when you have a chance! if it wasn't right before the winter i'd snatch one up right now but wont get to enjoy it for about 5 months.
Awesome video Bryan! You make the best content to "feel" the bikes.
$3200 is a little much but im glad to see more 60 volt love from ebike makers we are going in the right direction
Actually 33 hundred plus probably 2 hundred shipping, you can get a better bike for that much money
@@craigpreston1161total with shipping and taxes plus ship insurance is $3800 , if you don’t get the shipping insurance you will be blamed for the damage. Personal experience!
@@craigpreston1161Name the bike.....
If you think $3200 is a lot try buying a Specialized Turbo Levo Expert (carbon) it goes for $10,000.
Ok enough with the drag strip demo. This is not a Mtn bike, it’s a Ev motorcycle. Would of liked to have seen it on a trail with switch backs, 18% grades and downhill braking. I could see this bike spinning out on gravel and tarring up a trail. Let’s call it a commuter bike instead of a e-Mtn bike.
A Mtn biker would never ever have a throttle on a handle bar while in the woods-you’d get thrown into a tree. And why even have pedals-stup.
@@davemcatee270 The WHOLE point...the big name companies Trek, Specialized, etc. ... what they have to offer sub 5 grand can't even REMOTELY touch the capabalities of this stuff...
As a '24 single motor Freedom owner, I love how Wired is pushing their products further and further, but honestly we need a 72V option now. With this much power, I want to be able to go 50mph so I can keep up with traffic anywhere except a highway, while still being able to ride slow and easy at 10mph in a park. Out here in the midwest, that would be an absolute gamechanger.
Get an e-scooter. Many of them are 50 mph +
@@firstinlastout No, that is not an effective solution. I already own a dual motor scooter that goes about 35, and that's as fast as I wanna go on such a short wheelbase. The portability is amazing and I love the scooter, however, as I can throw it in the back of my car quickly. But it also has other problems:
- I can't have a basket and pannier bags on the back for grocery getting
- There's no good place to put lights or turn signals for visibility in traffic. It's also smaller, so you're even less visible in traffic than a motorcycle.
- It's harder to effectively lock up for theft prevention (they're easy to just disassemble quickly and they don't have great locking points), but a 50mph scooter is also gonna be way too heavy to bring in the store with you if you wanted to take that approach
- There's probably others I can't think of right now. But my point is that a 50mph ebike would be the *perfect* middle ground between a motorcycle and a bicycle out here in the midwest if you want to be able to actually carry things on it with you.
Ecell,monstar go 50mph with a reader weighting 150 lbs 🚴♂️💨
@asleepappeal I have a dual motor Lectric and I haven't been kicked off yet.
I'm in Pa and they can be fussy. I wish they would just make a MPH limit instead
of all the confusion.
@asleepappeal My comment said nothing about it needing to be dual motor. A 72V single hub motor would be just fine. Voltage = top speed, that's why I want more voltage.
Thats crazy all that power but i see it still goes about the same speed as the regular wired fredom
it's the area under the curve, torque monster! gets there way faster! think of how drag racing works.
@benhartland4708 I see sounds good but tbh I feel like it's over kill for range
Not to mention, do you think those Chinese tires are built for speeds 40 mph Plus?
@firstinlastout idk from previous review on wired freedom they r. But idk how long they will last on the predators with there melt ur face off torque
@@firstinlastout they're not although i've maintained 40 plus mph for over 5 minutes straight on my Origin8 Supercells.
I wish wired would sell a predator upgrade kit since its the same frame
it's pretty involved, not just a slap on kit. not only would you need the new motor, controller and wiring you'd also need the new display, new rear controller to replace your current controller, new front fork and the predator sticker. i'm sure i'm forgetting something.
@@benhartland4708 sounds like the perfect project to me
I’m all for it ! Just a thought. I am a 6’3” rider at 250 lbs . The 2024 Freedom can accelerate so fast I need to make sure I’m holding on and leaning forward. Lots of Torque on the 2024.
Hows the suspension on this bike and the range? Im torn on deciding which bike i want between this and the ecells triple crown. Im leaning towards this cause i dont wanna wait 3 plus months for the ecells and also this is nearly half the price.
Also have you had it off road riding? Wondering how it handles over rougher terrain
@devinshaw3521 on the streets around town the suspension felt really good, it's a four link suspension with adjustable air shock, quite a bit of travel in it, so it's a soft ride. I have not taken it off-road so I don't know how it handles rough terrain.
Is there a AWD cruiser coming ? If not I'm getting the cruiser with one of your kits.
Great review. I like that you covered all the performance aspects.
My predator was delivered TODAY! Bad part is I found your video after ordering, so no discount for me & I've yet to get home to open, assemble, & check it out.
What is the gps top speed on this model for the money of $ 3200 . Dollars dual motor ? - the other model for $ 1999. You get gps speeds of 40 mph. It makes me question is the price difference worth paying the money for having a dual motor set up. . Thanks for your videos it gives us newbies a better understanding to the ( e. ) world
Exactly what I'm talking about plus with dual motor ur range goes down alot even if u have 2 batteries
I think the diffrence is the instant torque and speed. The top speed is similar but I'd imagine the dual motor accelerates about 40-60% faster and the torque to haul up steep hills is much improved.
Top speed is more a dance between motor torque and efficiency. These motors have to put out a lot of power from a dead stop. If they had gears, they could go much, much faster given the right conditions (Down hill/with the wind/etc.) Even just a low and high speed gear. The dual motor costs $1300 more but you get a second battery and second motor. Both of those are kind of where all the cost comes from with an e bike. I think pricing makes sense. And even if you rarely use that 2 wheel drive power, youve got double the battery to get you about twice as far.
@eagle94haslanded wired freedom base model has dual battery integrated into there bikes already. They did this without increasing the cost at all for the additional motor I do understand the extra cost but I think the range will still suffer bec in the base model the dual battery takes u very far. But in this I think with dual motor the battery drank will be significantly more plus the wear and tear on the tires will be alot. I think wired did a good job but with this bike it kind of was n over reach. Like a bigger over reach
@@stephenolotu5588 Oh dang, i see that now. Yeah definitely not worth 1300$ more for just an extra motor. 2k is actually a pretty good price for the single motor unit considering its got dual batteries. I was looking at spending 1100 on a different bike thats dual motor but now im kind of tempted to get this single motor.
I hope Wired will build their Cruiser model with this same dual motor set up. If they do I will be begging them to take my money.
That it too much bike than what I would be looking for but the area you ride around looks amazing. The houses and landscape is beautiful!
I think the Wire ebike company Love❤you
Very nice for those in hilly areas. It's nice to see wired offering more options for people. I only wish it hit closer to 50 on the speed.😂
I think I really need to get a hold of that 50 amp controller and put it on my early model 24'. That way I could do 40 much easier.
Pls let me know if u do it I'm getting my wired next week
@jeremywheeler2122 Look at the flipsky 75100 pro vesc controller.
The 50amp controller is a cheat，false advertising
@@terrychang6683 What do you mean? Could you go into that a little further?
@@jeremywheeler2122 Because Hentach 1500W Motor does not allow the controller current to exceed 40A, if it exceeds the motor damage caused, they do not provide after-sales service.
Can the slow start setting be adjusted for only the front motor?
My question as well.
@@user-ch4ex3yy4l in his next video it seems that the slow start unfortunately affects both motors.
@@ItsMeMrG Thanks
I don't see the Wired Predator for sale on Wired's website......
@@markborao6144 sold out!
I understand your excitement.... It's the acceleration you can only get with a dual motor bike. I just got a Lyric graffiti X , the top speed is 50 mph, but it sucks off the line. I still drive my Grizzly cause I miss that off the line acceleration... especially when I'm in a lot of traffic, you don't want a bike that's sluggish if the line. I notice a lot of the comments saying their bike does 40 like it's biting special. But it's not about top speed... Is about how fast u get there...and under 8 seconds to 40 is absolutely unheard of for ebikes.
Amazing! These bikes just get better and better! No way you are going to keep front tires on that beast!
Awesome. I have a 2023 Freedom. My accelerator comes in handy for intersections. And if I come to a stop in a higher gear my accelerator is a lifesaver getting this 80# ebike moving as I can't establish a cadence starting off in 7th gear. Other than that I'm mostly in PS1 at 10-15 mph. I kick into PS2 and PS3 for hills on our public trails. Would like your demo and comments on its performance in PS levels at AWD. I live in the mountains and torque is everything. I like to pedal when I'm on my Freedom. Where I live a Class 3 ebike can't exceed 28mph or 750w. My Freedom does 38mph and I've hit 2250w on it.
Yep...I have a Grizzly and there's nothing like a dual motor bike for navigating traffic... people that have never driven a dual motor don't really understand the difference in acceleration.
N.c. law is must not exceed 20mph or 750w motor so idk what e bike to purchase for my first and it will be used for hunting purposes mostly so I want to get a dual motor 750w that I can atleast tell police I only run one motor on highway ... I like the Birch Grolar, the fabulous Havoc dual motor step thru and Ireally want a step thru to traverse in the woods so I can easily step off quickly if needed when gets to rough... and recommendations ?
@@Crayz919 I'd get a Predator.
@@Crayz919wired has a bike called the cruiser, it’s not awd but it does have the same rwd motor as the wired freedom and predator being a 3000w peak motor and it’s a step-through bike. As far as cops go on the road and whatnot I’d just tell them it’s a 750w if they ask and be careful not to go too fast or heavy on the throttle near them.
I bought my 2024 Wired Freedom after watching the reviews here. I even used CC’s discount code for a few bucks off the price. I appreciate his reviews. After watching this one, my opinion is this model would be a greater benefit to those that ride in hilly areas or areas with lots of changes of elevation. Outside of a climbing advantage, and raw takeoff power, I think my 2024 Freedom is as good for typical applications.
yep, the regular Freedoms and Cruisers has ample power, this Predator is just a powerhouse, more than the typical rider needs, i think that is why they only made a small amount.
@@CitizenCycle925 I hear you on that. I could also see this being an advantage for those that one to use on uneven trails, off rode use. Very interesting. And I think it's good that it still looks like a Bicycle.
Even my dual 1KW will spin the front wheel. With those BMX bars, your weight is shifted over the seat. If you had mountain bike bars, with your weight shifted forward, front wheel spin will be "less". But most likely not entirely gone. Might I suggest Innova Hybrid tires to enhance the street traction. This will reduce spin as well. The change to my Innova Hybrid tires helped reduce my front wheel spin.
Is there some sort of limiter on the bike itself? 6000W should get you to 55 easily right? Maybe needs an upgraded controller.
it's not how it works, if you put it on a dyno you'll see the torque spike. it's limited by gearing not power.
@@benhartland4708 There is a guy on another channel that installed a new controller and battery only and got it over 55 mph, so I disagree.
@@kl3664 ooh right right yes, his screen name is 72v freedom or something along those lines. if you put your bike on the kickstand you'll see it immediately tops out at 49.7 hence me saying it's limited by gearing. was hoping some of our physics guys would chime in.
Great, I have the Wired Cruiser on the way on a UPS truck right now. This bike is insane. I want one!
same here bob this week
The Cruiser is a really nice bike, I think you'll be happy with that one though.
@asleepappealcome move to Miami Florida
I would like to know about the suspension over bumps on a rough dirt road
This bike is insane!!!! I just got the 2024+ Wired Freedom last month 😅
@CitizenCycle925 If you owned a 2024+ (dual bat) Freedom/Cruiser (as you do), do you personally feel there's a compelling reason to 'upgrade' to this? The 2024+ still laughs at hills and gains speed going up them with the single motor. Has the same top speed as the Predator. The launches in this video have so much wheelspin I have a hard time believing the acceleration is any better either... but you may have the numbers, I don't! I want to be excited about this, but it looks like Wired has found the limits of performance on their current system and may need a redesign to really get to the next level. Which is a shame, because I actually love the low-key nature of the current frame. Unfortunately, slapping another motor on this bike doesn't seem to have produced any meaningful performance upgrades from my point of view, but I would love to hear from someone who's tried both. What are your thoughts?
If you have a 2024 plus Freedom or cruiser and you're happy with the power then I would not upgrade. this bike is a wild ride, it definitely has a ton more power than a freedom or cruiser, way stronger on Hills, way stronger acceleration, slightly higher top speed. I think it's the bike for someone who has a lot of spare cash and just wants the baddest bike out there in terms of power
@@CitizenCycle925Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It is a badass bike, no doubt! Probably would have gone with the Predator had I not just picked up my Freedom a month or two ago. Used your code, thanks for all the great content. Helped me inform my e-bike purchasing decision greatly.
@@CitizenCycle925 Nobody else has mentioned it. Great Job of maintaining control while you had that much front wheel spin. I know of quite a few eBike folks that would have trouble keeping the shiny side up on it under similar circumstances.
What a bike! Love my Freedom 2024 and will add the Predator to my addition.Especially liked this part of the video at 12:24. Had me laughing so hard.Thanks for a great review.
Does it have the death wobble? Does the rear end wobble?
the front motor weight ends the wobble at the expense of a heavy front nose.
Just was wondering if it carry passenger kits,?
CC has there been any word or review done on Fabulous Furious Road Warrior Ultimate AWD 60v? I am on the fence as to ordering the Wired Predator or waiting on a review done on the Road Warrior Ultimate AWD 60v. Just wanted to see comparison before making decision. However, I don't want to miss out on one of those Predator's. And, also do you think there could be more Wired Predator's to be made in the future or these are going to be the only 100 ever to be made? As of now I really like the power and speed on the Wired Predator. Yours or anyone's thought would be greatly helpful and informative. Thanks again for the great reviews, knowledge, and content.
How's this compare in size to the Freedom?
Nice video. Can you tell me which GPS app you are using? Thanks.
What do you use to hang your bikes on the wall?
@@DavidStrader SteadyRack
Ok all that and how far does it go
Would the acceleration of this bike compare to a surron?
not sure, i have never been on a Surron or know anyone that has one. i wish i could find someone locally to go head to head with, that would be interesting.
@@CitizenCycle925 Thanks. I also wanted to ask about the front tire spin, how quickly do you estimate the front tire will wear out with constant pulls?
Im impressed with the speed, but Im more focused on handling, agility and overall comfort. Also prefer a torque sensor with little to zero ghost peddling at higher speeds. Havent seen the perfect bike yet, but we're getting there.
my rad city 4 had a torque sensor and i loved it but i wouldn't want that at over 40mph...pushing hard on pedals at those speeds doesn't seem like the best idea! if you could switch from one to the other on the fly would be really cool.
You try the pedal assist and throttle top speed?
Yes sir, I was.
Wondering , if the power button on the back battery is just for The extra tail light? Or is that actually what activates the back battery? having to turn it on first before each ride? In other words do you have to turn that on for the back battery to work?
@@corywebb5537 the button is just for the tail light you do not have to turn the battery pack on
Bryan, does the Predator have a thick grade Through axle ?
@rambojohn7118 using my digital caliper. it looks like the front motor axle is 12mm
I'm glad the throttle on your Wired Cruiser works well. The throttle on my Wired Cruiser is a total P.O.S. Impossible to modulate at low levels. I wouldn't try doing a U-turn with my bike using the throttle. At mid to high throttle settings it works as expected but the bottom range is either on or off. Still, I have to say that wired sells a lot of bike for a reasonable price. Mine just doesn't have a nice throttle.
I agree. Love mine, but it's one of the big drawbacks of these bikes to me. As you said, the throttle feels like an on-off switch. There's a bite point it kicks in about 30 degrees into twisting... and honestly, I don't feel any ability to modulate it at all. On or off. I use my pedal assist buttons as 'gearing' and am constantly changing PAS level while I ride to compensate for this. It works fine, but a real throttle would be much nicer.
Amen to that
I don't find this to be a problem at all with my Freedom
@@TunaSoda You should be glad.
Im gonna roll the dice and wait for the BF Sales, hopefully there are still some left . Great video thanks for uploading it.
I have several ebikes and have been waiting for one that is a big step ahead. Now, I'm a motorcyclist too and have never rode one that I considered too much power. Examples are the old Yamaha VMax, FZR1200 and others. I nearly bought the original Wicked, but it wasn't quite there. This has me interested.
Can you activate the cruise control at 40mph ?
I was going to purchase an anoiiki 9 pro, but after looking over the "wired predator" I'm sold...🚲
is that how they did away with the death wobble ??
i just got it ! said last 2 when i placed order. 1 left 😮
😂 Nice presentation, Bryan, on Wired's entry into E-motorcycles. It is definitely more of a specialty "eBike" that, to Wired's credit, not only beats other competitors in its class in price and affordability, but also keeps within the current Regulations Golden Rule of pedaling (acoustic) capability. The good thing for you is that you now know you will soon be able to source 67 to 72 volt controllers and compatible hub motors for your next Gen Citizen Performance Warp Drive Kits! (Just make sure you require those Thrill-Seeking Surron-High-Risk-Taking customers to sign a Consent Form [and maybe insurance] to protect you, your family and your company from injury-based lawsuits.) Keep up the good work! 👍
Just got the graffiti X....i like it but it's slow on take off. I had the Grizzly and really enjoyed the instant acceleration of a AWD bike....i can't even imagine doubling the Grizzlys power. Wow
Where can u legally ride these bikes at on the road
amazing how quick it gets up to 40 mph. what a beast!
probably a dumb question but how is it just pedaling?
Are 203mm rotors even sufficient at this point? I've had some "pucker" moments from people pulling in front of me at lower speeds than that thing goes.
Yes because you are stopping from the same top speed
@@johnnightly5281 this is correct
The question is, do you think those cheap Chinese tires are speed rated for 40 mph plus? Nobody seems to be asking this. It's like getting a Dodge Charger hellcat, with regular R-rated tires, when it needs ZR rated tires
@@firstinlastout i think all the 26x4 tires are rated for either 20 or 28mph but there are THOUSANDS of us who have maintained over 40mph on them for extended periods of time. doesn't mean we're smart for doing so.
What happens if you get a tire blowout at 40 Will it stay upright?
That is sick!
What is the range on it?
That's insanely fast! What modifications can you make for it to go even faster? Maybe create a way to assist pedaling without ghost pedaling...
Love my 2024 wired freedom and watched all your videos before and while it was in shipment -as everyone is stating 3000 extra watts and similar top speed is interesting
Nice video. Can’t believe they’re only discounting $50
range test ?
Amazing bike!
No step thru??
how is the customer service
Hey does ur code work for the regular wired frrrdom
Looks like the old version with a front wheel motor.
It is but the rear controller is a 50 amp so if you were to swap to that one you’d gain a bit more power on your 2024 plus wired bike
@@johnnightly5281 i would love to do that to my current freedom, peaking a couple hundred watts higher would be nice...bike is already a monster as it sits!
Would it be possible to program the parameters on the front wheel controller to fine tune the low speeds and eliminate the front burnouts ?
if you check my latest video you can see how to program to tune it down and eliminate wheel spin completely
nice video. What size brake rotors does it have and are the brake calipers dual or 4 piston
203
203mm front and back with 4piston Gemma Brakes.
Front motor seems like a gimmick and that wheel spin is ridiculous. I have a built Talaria pulling about 16,000 watts to the rear wheel and it only burns out on pavement when I make it (front brake pulled, weight over bars.) It will loop out if you're not careful, but not burnout on pavement. Also, with a heavy, powerful e-bike like this, you really should talk more about the brakes & suspension. If they are underspec'd, it's an accident waiting to happen. An offroad segment would be helpful, too.
Thanks for the video! Just in time, we were going to order the furious bikes but once I saw this I placed an order. We will either order a second one or we still might order one Furious. We did use your promo code. The one at the top didn't work but the code in the comments section worked. The only reason we ended up with this bike is because ECELLS could not deliver our order. We had to submit a complaint with our credit card and it took almost two months to get a permanent refund. Looks like everything worked out I think we will be really happy. If we order a second bike we will use your code again. Thanks Greg
Awesome I'm glad you found the bike for you . You should get it pretty quick they're already on the ship traveling here now
Yes, ecells has had nothing in stock for 2 months, and when I call and ask them when they expect their next shipment in, they literally tell me they do not know. Bankruptcy? Remember Enron?
@@firstinlastout I had two bike on order from Ecells and waited almost 3 months. They still could not provide an eta so I had to cancel. Unfortunately they did not refund me my money and I had to file with my credit card. Took almost 2 months to get my money back which is why we just now ordered two predator bikes over the weekend. It actually worked out because these weren't available in April and May.
How do you go from 16 to 36mph? Is the display lagging?
Yes when you are pinning the throttle sometimes the speedometer lags
Can you get this bike in the UK?
nope, they only ship to USA
THIS IS 🔥...I really wished that WIRED made a 20 X4 smaller frame configuration for us city dwellers!!! But IDK still debating on this one 🙂
Yes, with a option for a 50-60 amp full frame battery. I'll take two.
Dang, that would be crazy. Imagine the wheel spin on a 20" wheel with that level of power. But love the smaller frame idea for the city!
I live in the city of New York and let me tell you I have a one bedroom apartment and my Wired Freedom fits perfectly fine so don't be afraid of buying one of these. I don't know about this Predator thing. The Wyatt Freedom by itself is fast enough for me
If you not in the middle of the street when flooring it do you get deported to one side or the other of the streets since they are inclined ?
What is faster a9 or the predator
The one thing you didn't test that I thought of while you were riding in the residential area at 40 MPH; how are the brakes ?
Can they ship to Canada? And range? Really want it
they do not ship to canada, i have not tested the range on it
I see your wife’s excitement about your new bike! She seems tickled pink😂😂😂 not going to lie, I would be excited too!
Big bang for your buck!!!!! 😊
Put some weight over the front wheel and it will accelerate faster. How does it do offroad?
awesome bike wow the power keep up the great reviews
got no pedal assist? throttle only?
Yes it has pedal assist. I'm going to talk about that more in the next video because it has a pretty cool safety feature
do you have any freedom front motor kits?
Yes I have some front motor kits left and they should be arriving in the USA at the end of October
@@CitizenCycle925 Awesome thanks!
E-bikes are getting really cool
I want to see an honest review of the Predator Vs the MONSTAR. The MONSTAR was shown on radar doing 50mph. My friend has a Wired Freedom. She likes it but has had some problems with it. It took forever for her to get the replacement parts. Every company has issues with a bike. It's like a car. Sometimes you get a part on a new car that just goes bad. I had a bad display on my Dual Star. They did a next day air for my display, and I was up and running again. Customer service is huge in my book.
Both bikes are capable of more but they are programmed at a 45mph limit.
@@gregb878 i unlocked mine. 43moh is far enough for me.
@@gregb878if you're goal is just the top speed, I would not buy this bike
The math doesn’t add up for the top speed of the monstar AND we don’t know if that radar was calibrated correctly. A gps test would be more accurate however cells has conveniently not shows us that.
@CitizenCycle925 i know it's gonna be a climber. I unlocked mine, and it scares the crap out of me. I only do it once in a while.
Do we need to race with e-bikes ? Thought they were fir convenience
I definitely do.
Great video once again. What app do you use on yr phone. I really like it and have been meaning to ask for quite some time. Thank you
it says GPS speedometer by Simple Design Ltd
lololol .... your "checking the life insurance" scene!! 😁
This ebike is impressively powerful, but I think the expense of replacing tires constantly would soon take away the enjoyment.
Thanks for the review!
This looks perfect for where i live. AWD, traction, ground clearance, and enough speed and power to get out of peoples way when i need to.
That last point is why I'm throwing my 48v 750w ebike in the trash and getting this or something similar. Probably the Freedom tbh.
Wow! Save $50 whole bucks?
:)))
Fun to watch. If I get an eBike, it'll be more reasonably priced.