Certainly says a lot for the integrity of the boat and the skills of the pilot. Great job avoiding an area loaded with fans. Sorry JW was hurt but thank God it was only that bad. Kind of reminds me of Bill Muncey with the PT boat back in the early 60's. Amazing video. Thanks for sharing it.
Bill Muncie,now there’s a name haven’t thought of in a very long time. If memory serves me he raced under many banners like Miss Thriftway, Thriftway II, Miss Bardal, my memory just tanked, oh and he lived on Mercer island same as outboard hydroplane racers Stu and Jeff Lowe. Funny how stuff pops in my head every now and then. Those were the days of thunder boats ,rolls Merlin and Allison engines out of WW II airplanes. I’ll go back to sleep now.
Man you going so fast but get past by to faster boats. Must be set up on there boats is trimed lighter. Then get in the wash ... im sad for you likr that. Great video.
wow.. time to put into the keels some spring loaded manually tripped drop down braking devices.. so the pilot can hit the brakes. or a slide down scoop at the transom that discharges water to the side like jet plane reversers. do they still have issues with salt water ingestion.. design the inlet duct for the engine that goes forward around the cockpit for extra layers of impact protection for the driver but with some baffles or bulkheads with opening up high to allow any water splash to drop out before it can reach the turbine inlet.
It's not really "10 minutes too long". Key things happen around 5 and 6 minutes. But smart and quick thinking on his part. With no Skid fin, there is NO WAY that boat would of taken the corner, and he probably saved about a dozen lives avoiding the pits.
I was there that day and taking pictures from the Judges Stand, like some said it happened so fast and it could of been a lot worse but still bad enough with an ankle injury I think.
Wasn't the rudder, the turn fin on the left side ripped off, he ended up turning right as a last ditch effort to steer away from the bar at the dock, and to try and broad side the impact instead of head on...... Region 10 rocks
Wow does it take that long to shut down the engine? You hear the engine power down as soon as he gets in trouble, but he keeps on going like hell ...... and after the colision the engine still keeps going ..... was there a problem with shutting down or so?
It's a turbine. They take forever to spool up and down. Example: the STP Special at Indy back in the 60's took two seconds to spool up during the corners. Basically foot on the gas two seconds before anyone else
is he saying my foot? broke my foot? hope the gut is okay now, that shit hurts, ive been through a windshield, and ive hit a tree head on at 60mph, it hurts.....bad
Haha!!! Too bad this thread dropped out of the race, there's a lot of potential for more smart comments. Here's one for ya right now: drink enough beer and things will tilt when you over indulge and toss your cookies on your girlfriend's and her pet miniature poodle dog or Pomeranian. It's ok though, she wants it that way because now she has an excuse to never go to the races again and she might even recommend hanging up the bottle for good. Trouble begins when she wants you to change and you aren't ready or vise versa. Women are a fickle bunch but they are fun to have around as long as they can kick it and not cause a sh¡t storm when there's more than 2 people in the same room with 'em. Life's too short to put up with mean women, or men for that matter. But from what I seen it's the females being the problem more often. I even had a cop tell me that. Coolest conversation ever had with a cop.
APBA is as bad as NASCAR.. no more little guy racing. WHat happened to the T class, SS class Sk class Y class.. etc etc etc. Now only Unlimiteds. Maybe 2Ltr.. thats it ONLY BIG MONEY ALLOWED TO RACE.... I wont support that... Only the priviledged get to race...... Not the America I believe in......
This sport reminds me of LMP racing in the US...Truckloads of cash are spent on a sport not many people watch, and virtually no one follows. Rich guys spending their money, I guess..
JJ your right APBA should be ashamed what they have done to the sport. ONLY the rich get to race under APBA.. so right man. What happened to the T class Y class SS , SK , outboards... Going to a "RACE" with only 5 boats entered. Same race 5 times........... BORING
BertramTwentyEight no there is a skid fin on the left side of the boat along with the rudder and prop when he was going into the turn the mounting brackets snapped off and the skid fin broke. he could still barely tun the boat to avoid going into a very short seawall and killing 100's of people
I was going to ask if the steering broke after he skipped through the other boats wake because there was no controlling the boat after that, now I know from your answer.
The rudder is a relatively small metal blade that is located in a bracket extending from the transom at the right rear of the boat that acts to steer the boat through the corners. The rudder only becomes truly effective at higher race speeds and makes maneuvering at low speeds somewhat challenging. A water pickup at the base of the rudder feeds onboard cooling and lubrication systems.
Garry Berry All Rights Reserved. And a CUT and PASTE from our H1 site in Edmonds, Washington. So I would suggest giving Credit. I TOLD YOU I've been involved since they drove IN The Back. SEAFAIR and Tri-Cites forever. Oh... and the cut and paste description of the rudder size, placement, and use is correct. ...why it was so strangely familiar... So as another one of your comments said. MAN UP
Driver error more than once. At 6:12 time line two boats are passing you, one on each side. Why did you not keep up with them? Was your boat that slow? You know the further ahead they get you will start to get their waves and at some point get squeezed out. If they can go that fast and not flip you should have been able to stay with them.Then at 7:08 because you did get squeezed out you decided to go into the inside lane which is taken by the lead boat who is ahead enough and is not hugging the markers. But now you decide to step on the gas and go like a bat out of hell and catch up which you should have done in the first place. So now you catch up with the first place boat's wake as he cuts in for the corners after all he is in the inside lane. I would have fired you as a driver on the spot. Sorry too many mistakes in a very short time.All started when you didn't man up and hold your lane when the two boats passed you.
Garry Berry Man. You must be new at this. watch 50 or 60 races live spend several decades in the pits ...then you'll get an idea... Take that from someone involved. Since they drove IN THE BACK.
Young master Garry, you're 11 years old correct? Thought so. Sweetie your young, enjoy it, you don't know anything so it's best you watch the video quietly and that way no one will find out how stupid you are. Well it's a little late now.
I just watched this video and I 100% agree with Garry Berry....the guy should have kept up instead of falling back in the corner. I didn't even know this was a race so I just thought he was slowing down on purpose to prevent a wake. I was even thinking...is this guy trying to sink or break this boat??? I would have sped up to stay ahead of the wake then floored in in the straight aways...his boat couldn't corner without flat water very good.
Certainly says a lot for the integrity of the boat and the skills of the pilot. Great job avoiding an area loaded with fans. Sorry JW was hurt but thank God it was only that bad. Kind of reminds me of Bill Muncey with the PT boat back in the early 60's. Amazing video. Thanks for sharing it.
Bill Muncie,now there’s a name haven’t thought of in a very long time. If memory serves me he raced under many banners like Miss Thriftway, Thriftway II, Miss Bardal, my memory just tanked, oh and he lived on Mercer island same as outboard hydroplane racers Stu and Jeff Lowe. Funny how stuff pops in my head every now and then. Those were the days of thunder boats ,rolls Merlin and Allison engines out of WW II airplanes. I’ll go back to sleep now.
Great footage, been a U hydroplane fan for 44 years
Why didn't they show the cockpit view during the impact?
I'm guessing to stop from showing just how graphic the impact was to the driver?
Man you going so fast but get past by to faster boats. Must be set up on there boats is trimed lighter.
Then get in the wash ... im sad for you likr that.
Great video.
Bad hull design.., need more aerodynamics
wow.. time to put into the keels some spring loaded manually tripped drop down braking devices.. so the pilot can hit the brakes. or a slide down scoop at the transom that discharges water to the side like jet plane reversers. do they still have issues with salt water ingestion.. design the inlet duct for the engine that goes forward around the cockpit for extra layers of impact protection for the driver but with some baffles or bulkheads with opening up high to allow any water splash to drop out before it can reach the turbine inlet.
I was shocked to see that hatch pop and him climb out right after that impact 😮
It's not really "10 minutes too long". Key things happen around 5 and 6 minutes. But smart and quick thinking on his part. With no Skid fin, there is NO WAY that boat would of taken the corner, and he probably saved about a dozen lives avoiding the pits.
@BelgianEvo yeah, from the crash the throttle was stuck and they had to shut down the fuel supply.
I was there that day and taking pictures from the Judges Stand, like some said it happened so fast and it could of been a lot worse but still bad enough with an ankle injury I think.
Crushed foot
@@yogamon Thanks, I heard that later.
It appears that something actually broke on the boat and he had lost steering which is why he had no left or right control.
He was really hurting and probably in shock by the time the rescue boats arrived.
Hit the best place. crowds were on either side.
Wasn't the rudder, the turn fin on the left side ripped off, he ended up turning right as a last ditch effort to steer away from the bar at the dock, and to try and broad side the impact instead of head on...... Region 10 rocks
Dang.......... Anyone know how fast he was going when he hit the sea wall??
Anyway, just skip to 7:30 to see the crash.......
On the straightaways you can go up to 185-200
Another Detroit Homie! Grand River and the Rouge River
Wow does it take that long to shut down the engine? You hear the engine power down as soon as he gets in trouble, but he keeps on going like hell ...... and after the colision the engine still keeps going ..... was there a problem with shutting down or so?
that stupid jet motorcycle has the same problem, which is why they do not sell them anymore except with a liability release as a non-vehicle
It's a turbine. They take forever to spool up and down. Example: the STP Special at Indy back in the 60's took two seconds to spool up during the corners. Basically foot on the gas two seconds before anyone else
Some flex tape and she's good as new.....
is he saying my foot? broke my foot? hope the gut is okay now, that shit hurts, ive been through a windshield, and ive hit a tree head on at 60mph, it hurts.....bad
No problem, we can buff that out.
I hate it when that happens!
Hydroplane racing would be a lot more exciting if they'd bank the track.
there is a bank all the way around the outside of the water
I'm sorry, WHAT?!
WelcomeToTheMatrix It's a joke, obviously.
Funny comment. Even better reply! Hahaha...
Haha!!! Too bad this thread dropped out of the race, there's a lot of potential for more smart comments. Here's one for ya right now: drink enough beer and things will tilt when you over indulge and toss your cookies on your girlfriend's and her pet miniature poodle dog or Pomeranian. It's ok though, she wants it that way because now she has an excuse to never go to the races again and she might even recommend hanging up the bottle for good. Trouble begins when she wants you to change and you aren't ready or vise versa. Women are a fickle bunch but they are fun to have around as long as they can kick it and not cause a sh¡t storm when there's more than 2 people in the same room with 'em. Life's too short to put up with mean women, or men for that matter. But from what I seen it's the females being the problem more often. I even had a cop tell me that. Coolest conversation ever had with a cop.
Does anybody know how many G's they take in the corners?
probs no more than 2g as it glides like a hovercraft
esmi000
No these don't glide, It has to dive in with the skid fin so I'm guessing it is a lot more than we may think
Up to about 4g from what I have seen on that topic.
7:40 for direct action..
a little epoxy will fix it right up...
That should buff out...
watch out for that dock.
tight course there on the Detroit river
My home-20...watched the unlimited(s) tear up on Bell Isle
My money is on lost the rudder.... William Fritz, Thank You..., he lost his skid fin.
Safer walls...
I can tell in the video when the rudder went south.
Not the rudder
Turn fin......Oooo!....
Too bad he lost the skid fin... good thing only his leg was hurt... I'm glad for him!
70 mph =60.8 knots
Duck tape lol
leaky roof
I had the same crash, he will have a pylon fracture on one or both legs
APBA is as bad as NASCAR.. no more little guy racing. WHat happened to the T class, SS class Sk class Y class.. etc etc etc. Now only Unlimiteds. Maybe 2Ltr.. thats it ONLY BIG MONEY ALLOWED TO RACE.... I wont support that... Only the priviledged get to race...... Not the America I believe in......
This is fucking bullshit. Misleading title. Only a 2-way view of the crash.
There was no view of crash from inside the cockpit.... Downvoted.
This sport reminds me of LMP racing in the US...Truckloads of cash are spent on a sport not many people watch, and virtually no one follows. Rich guys spending their money, I guess..
JJ your right APBA should be ashamed what they have done to the sport. ONLY the rich get to race under APBA.. so right man. What happened to the T class Y class SS , SK , outboards... Going to a "RACE" with only 5 boats entered. Same race 5 times........... BORING
stewartfrye Well, the Y-class/1 Litre Modified has been pretty strong for the last 15 years
There is no rudder on these boats. Only thing in the water is the prop when they are running right.
Yes, it does have a rudder and a turn fin. You can clearly see the rudder on the aft facing camera.
BertramTwentyEight no there is a skid fin on the left side of the boat along with the rudder and prop when he was going into the turn the mounting brackets snapped off and the skid fin broke. he could still barely tun the boat to avoid going into a very short seawall and killing 100's of people
I was going to ask if the steering broke after he skipped through the other boats wake because there was no controlling the boat after that, now I know from your answer.
The rudder is a relatively small metal blade that is located in a bracket extending from the transom at the right rear of the boat that acts to steer the boat through the corners. The rudder only becomes truly effective at higher race speeds and makes maneuvering at low speeds somewhat challenging. A water pickup at the base of the rudder feeds onboard cooling and lubrication systems.
Garry Berry
All Rights Reserved.
And a CUT and PASTE from our H1 site in Edmonds, Washington.
So I would suggest giving Credit.
I TOLD YOU I've been involved since they drove IN The Back.
SEAFAIR and Tri-Cites forever.
Oh... and the cut and paste description of the rudder size, placement, and use is correct.
...why it was so strangely familiar...
So as another one of your comments said. MAN UP
Driver error more than once. At 6:12 time line two boats are passing you, one on each side. Why did you not keep up with them? Was your boat that slow? You know the further ahead they get you will start to get their waves and at some point get squeezed out. If they can go that fast and not flip you should have been able to stay with them.Then at 7:08 because you did get squeezed out you decided to go into the inside lane which is taken by the lead boat who is ahead enough and is not hugging the markers. But now you decide to step on the gas and go like a bat out of hell and catch up which you should have done in the first place. So now you catch up with the first place boat's wake as he cuts in for the corners after all he is in the inside lane. I would have fired you as a driver on the spot. Sorry too many mistakes in a very short time.All started when you didn't man up and hold your lane when the two boats passed you.
Garry Berry
Man. You must be new at this.
watch 50 or 60 races live
spend several decades in the pits
...then you'll get an idea...
Take that from someone involved.
Since they drove IN THE BACK.
Young master Garry, you're 11 years old correct? Thought so. Sweetie your young, enjoy it, you don't know anything so it's best you watch the video quietly and that way no one will find out how stupid you are. Well it's a little late now.
Mr Berry, the driver did fine. When the skid fin quit, the driver was along for the ride.
So said the EXPERT !!
I just watched this video and I 100% agree with Garry Berry....the guy should have kept up instead of falling back in the corner. I didn't even know this was a race so I just thought he was slowing down on purpose to prevent a wake. I was even thinking...is this guy trying to sink or break this boat??? I would have sped up to stay ahead of the wake then floored in in the straight aways...his boat couldn't corner without flat water very good.
He can't drive man put a real driver in there
Remi2466
Yeah.
Take it from this guy that has How Many Hours in a Hydro ???
...im guessing not a lot lol...
Absolute fool