Dominate the Standing Clinch Plus a Dirty Knee Strike Trick
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2019
- This is my favorite clinch position to get to. Against a very high level guy this isn't quite as likely to happen and if it does he will have more answers, but against an untrained ruffian this is an almost perfect position.
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Question for Viewers: Do you have a standing clinch game? Or are you more of a "let's kickbox until we fall down, then do bjj" type of guy?
I do have a standing clinch game, and if I may, I believe I have a possibly stronger clinch position for you.
-Similar underhook, but continue to reach to grab their opposite-side trapezius (size permitting).
-Put your *head* into the pocket, where you currently have your left forearm. Your head is a whole other tool that you're not utilizing!
-Now with your left hand, grab their right wrist, but slide all the way down, until your thumb and middle finger reach that little notch in the wrist. (top two fingers on the wrist, bottom two on their hand). Grab it hard, _twist their arm away_ .
---The final touch; now that you've secured this position, drag your forehead up to their temple. _Stay heavy on the wrist you're grabbing, and use your head to drive and control them_ . Many throws are available from here.
You can even just get really heavy on the opponent's right arm, while driving _down_ into their temple with your forehead, and it will break their posture so much, that they crumple into your side control.
I do this to fellow catch wrestlers (many of whom also have a freestyle or folk background), and BJJ guys. It's a dominant position, and there isn't much that can be done to get out of it once your posture is broken down. They certainly don't have a good way to attack you from it; if they do, you're not breaking their posture properly
Really, just give it a try.
(please note, that list is not how you get into the position to begin with, I'm just trying to get you into it via text)
I don't have much clinch game, at my gym most people are taller and heavier than me so i'm relying mostly on my striking 😭😂
@@williamcornell5001
Marcelo Garcia uses an excellent, simple take down that may interest you:
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It's just an arm drag into a sweep, *but make sure your leading foot lands on it's side or top.* Just pay really close attention to his foot position after he hooks with it, so that you can avoid a silly, nasty injury.
@@zedek_ I hear you man. That is a good position but I think you are forgetting who you're talking to. Grab the far side trap? Who am I fighting? My 10 year old? Also yes we teach to hide the head there as well with either a collar tie or the wrist control you described. Stylistically and thematically though in BKB you need a looser clinch actually so you dont fall down or get broken up etc...
Clinchwork is something I don't do enough of. I'm lucky I've got a bjj coach who makes us spar a lot of standup (first takedown wins, no guard pulling) but I wanna get more experience incorporating strikes into my clinch game.
You can tell cliff is that quiet type of guy that just likes to let his fists do the talking
Accurate.
Yeah lol thought the same
"there are no counters to this move!"
cliff:**shows two different ways to counter it**
Goddammit Cliff.
thanks for the heart man!
Hard2hurt might be the funniest realest most caring dude to make martial art videos
@@hard2hurt Shouldn't we call you now Aiki Mike? ( Just poking you ;-p )
5:18 damn Cliff got some reflexes he thought Mike was going for a fist bump and casually evaded being left hanging on camera
Lucky for you guys the Baby couldn't open the door. She was ready to show you guys a thing or two about knee strikes! She right at knee level! You see that double palm strike on the door? Would have blew out your knees!
She doesn't let us film so we had to go outside! It wasn't to look more "street"
I edited out her banging loudly on the glass but maybe I should have kept it haha.
Can't believe you haven't picked up more subs. You're highly entertaining, with no BS, while providing valuable information. None of this will make any difference, unless you train it. But, it sure is fun to watch, follow along, and try it in the next class you take or with a partner😎👍
At 1:37 you can use the underhook plus shoulder grip to put on a standing submission or add a leg spring to take him down. I like how you went through the many scenarios of countering headlock.
Easily one of my favourite channels with consistently top quality content!!
My favorite channel, keep up the great work!
I call that an "offset clinch" when I teach it. Love it. You can also pop a short elbow with the framing arm if you're feeling particularly mean.
Your set of clinch videos is outstanding.
Another great video! Waiting to see more of the bare knuckle stuff (no matter old or modern)!
How about both!
@@hard2hurt , ma-a-a-an, you hadn't to say this! I wouldn't be able to sleep, until I see those old techniques (which according to some are still on top) explained from you... in your style! You rock, man, just keep with the good work and soon you will have an entire army of loyal zombies, who are hard 2 hurt! ;)
@Badass warrior , ok, thanks, I will check them out. :)
Great vid. I use this/similar in Muay Thai vs taller opponents but I put 1 hand across their face and hand on their bicep.
A very nice way to land knees and minimises risk of getting knees in return.
I will be using your dirty knee trick!!!
Knee the shit out of those tall fucker's thighs... but be warned people will not like it.
I like to think of standing clinching set ups as interchangeable with ground grappling and passing. When you grapple you have to improve or maintain position, usually by posting, pummeling or grapevining/ under, over or around. Then you can snap down, crank or submit and or sweep. (thats just how I organize it in my head). So I mostly focus on the juijitsu techniques and positions, that would transfer to standing as well. (usual means choosing chokes over locks or bars). The only issue always seemed to have was flowing from grappling mode to dirty boxing. Love the videos Ty
Love your videos sir
I love your bideos more!
First off, I love your videos and find them super helpful as well as entertaining. Big fan!
I'd appreciate your take on something: I was wondering if you've ever seen a certain variation on this, one we're being taught at my MT class: we do the position you show at the beginning of the video, but what we do different is that we press our left elbow into the neck of the opponent and use our right hand to hold on to our left hand (or rather, we hold on just under the wrist of our left arm). The idea is that you can press on the opponent's neck with your elbow to force him down. Hard to explain it without showing it but I hope I somehow managed. Is that a different concept altogether? What do you think?
Sounds like you're talking about cross facing or leveraging either their face to stretch them out or their shoulder to break their posture. We covered something like what you're talking about in the seminar too. You can create a lot of leverage like that.
Nice, @IcyMike. Very interested to see more vids on your ideas about the clinch, as well as tactical entries into the clinch--and anything else at the upright halitosis and Mike Tyson ear-nibbling range. Oh, also tactical entries into this range.
Got it. Tactical entries into the clinch and also tactical entries into the clinch.
@@hard2hurt Have you also considered how to to enter the clinch but doing it tactically?
@@driver3899 no but we will be doing some tactical clinch entries soon.
@@hard2hurt Ha, ha! I guess I wouldn't define everything that is that up close and personal as clinch. In my mind, clinch is partially static, but there are very close-in fluid or dynamic attacks that I probably wouldn't have thought of as clinch. I do have a tendency to overcomplicate the fine art of splitting hairs, though.
Oh. I just re-read my first comment. Yeah. There was some redundancy and needless repetition there. :D
Love that clinch. It also works well with an over-hook (is that a thing?) too. (Wrap over top and squeeze the arm into your lat like a muay thai arm trap into side clinch.) And that elbo can smash into the sternum on the way into the position your in. The hand on his neck can grab hold of his scalenes or scm (or esophagus except uh, probably felony) like gripping a gi. Nasty.
Instead of just pushing (a strong guy will resist and its a lot of energy to burn) push then quickly drop a foot back and pull violently. Untrained joes will lose balance. If they break posture and come forward, even a little bit that knee to the body hes blocking with his elbo into your quad can turn over into a hi round knee over his guard into his head as he comes fwd into it.
Even in a tight guard a hard knee to the domes gonna scramble the egg inside the shell.
Yeah that's a good one. I like that stuff you said. All those words you said.
I really like that thai clinch cross face move. I have a friend who often gets me in that bulldog choke and it's useful. Unfortunatly he's too heavy for me to lift. I just go for knees on the tight or take the back.
We worked off this framed position alot in kung fu, because we forearm hacked mfs in the neck alot. I was also shown to keep my elbow down as you showed, to stop shots. Our follow ups were usually a big hook ( giving up the frame) , or a strike the the groin and pushing his face to the pavement for ground and and pound. I was also shown, whenever possible, to angle off and push the back of his closest shoulder forward. This would turn him slightly away for side clinch, chokes or we would throw a big punch to his jaw.
That last knee hurts like shit. Someone did it to me in middle school and I immediately fell in love. I've also seen something very similar done when you're to the side or slightly behind where you use a hard straight to the peronial nerve but slightly from behind so that it blasts his leg out.
I wish I live near your Area . Your teachings seem very legit . I would probably attend your classes 😂😂😂
instead of that knee at the end, could you throw a short roundhouse low kick? or is there just not enough room?
In the video picture it looked like you were doing the Saito Suplex that Harry Heart Smith uses
Thankzz 😃🤜🤛
Love your videos, you clinch looked to me like you were asking for a harai goshi.
I don't know those words.
It's funny when you tell Cliff there is no counter.
would the standing arm bar thing actually break their arm if you continued driving down
Where is the Patreon link in the description?
Nice to see Cliff again last I saw him his shins were made of iron
Still are.
Wish y'all was in Florida
What style would I have to study to have these kind of techniques the most? Greco-Roman perhaps?
Pankration or collegiate Greco-Roman wrestling.
Pankration like the Greek martial art? Isn't that mma then?
MMA is a description of a type of sports venue. Pankration is primarily a grappling art.
So let say...1000 repetitions of each part, and some 16000 more just to be sure some i remember after 4 years ;)
good stuff
Sounds about right.
We've been accused of having a standing clinch game...we deny everything.
If only for a second...
@@hard2hurt
We have some interesting combat-sparring-games you would probably be interested in...they eventually develop one's clinch and more.
@@NIKandSi you guys are underrated
Great video Mike! I would like to visit your seminair once.
But just a note: If you clinched me like this, I would just go to the BOOODY, cause Am learning 4 da sreetz :-D
You can help me demonstrate.
@@hard2hurt Unfortunatly I live in Europe, but I am a 3rd degree black belt keyboard warrior :-D
But if I ever visit USA I am definetly going to visit your gym ;-)
Icy Mike feat Lebron James
Ha
We use this a lot in Muay Thai clinching
Yep. A version of it is present in many arts.
Or from that clinch you could go for the standing shoulder lock that isn't bullshit
Or you can pulll down with the hand on the neck and pushed through with the hand under the shoulder while spinning to your rear or pushing through the front depending on where the energy is going - kokyu nage courtesy of aikido 😎 everything has its place. Great video.
I'm basically an Aikido master.
@@hard2hurt Hai sensei! 🤣
Sorry Mike, the technique is actually kaiten nage, if it matters at all. No fake news!
I'll admit - years of Judo have screwed up my "no gi" standing clinch game in that i woudn't even think to clinch like that. I don't really know how to open my mind back up
I could see that. I'm hoping to get some Judo training soon.
Yep, this is exactly why we've started adding in no-gi throwing and grappling in my JJJ school. The gi has its place, but it can definitely breed some bad habits for self defense.
@@hardcaliber19 It's fine if people are always wearing jackets! :)
@@thuglincoln7699 Haha yep, one of the advantages of living in the frozen north... people wear heavy jackets here 8 months a year! 😉
Could definitely get a circle throw from there too
That's clearly bunkai of the 2 first moves of the kata kushanku.
Are you typing sneezes?
One of my go-to positions as a karateka
Hiya!
Basically this guy could counter All your clinch
Nice to see a youtube fight instructor demonstrating on bigger people. It's always been a gripe of mine that these "fight technique" guys always use some guy 80% of their size...
Yeah there are no adults 80% my size.
what is better for mma bjj or wrestling
Wrestling.
Alright a legit question from me this time - do you have any good books/people on youtube or other material to recommend that systematically breaks down the principles and techniques of ground and pound or wresting/takedowns? Examples of quality IMHO would be jack Dempsey championship fighting book or basically kwonkicker when it comes to kicking.
Did you ever consider to do a mini series on clinching in a systematical way?
Cary Kolats UA-cam channel is a fantastic resource for wrestling. You'll have to use your brain, a lot of it will not be usable in MMA, strikes change grappling fundamentally.
For general grappling I follow Knight Jiu-jitsu and TeachMeGrappling. I've not yet found a dirty boxing or BKB style channel with complete tutorials. I wouldnt mind doing it, but I've always wanted a more experienced wrestler to collaborate with and help me with the details on the wrestling while we explore how strikes change things.
@@conorcarroll9055 thanks!! Just checked a few videos this might be just what I was looking for on this end!
@@hard2hurt thanks Icy M. Teach me grappling I did not know about - now added to the list.
Knight jiu jitsu I know and I've tried following, but somehow I feel Ely, even though he has quality content, doesn't click with me somehow. Takes me 5x the effort to figure out what he's trying to convey compared to many other cases. Maybe he's just too advanced? Idk. Also, one reason I didn't ask about jiu jitsu is that there is a lot of material out there I feel.
Man, waiting for the perfect conditions usually doesn't get the job done. Colab with a wrestler is a great idea sure, but just show us what you know if you don't mind sharing as I've literally found zero stuff dealing with this topic. I really like all of the clinch stuff you've posted so far.
One thing remains unaddressed - ground and pound. I mean sure i catch myself analyzing khabib and Chael fighting but I've yet to see someone break it down in a systematic manner. Like if I want to go to the ground and beat the snut out of someone what are the more technical aspects of it.
Thanks for the reply dude. I appreciate it.
@@Draalnexa yes Eli even describes himself as "extra" and a lot of his stuff is pretty advanced. Enjoy TeachMeGrappling man that is probably what you're looking for as far as wrestling technique breakdowns.
Hey icymike, how well do you think mma represents streetfighting?
Depends what you mean. Realistically it is the sport/ruleset you could train under the hardest for the longest, develop the most attributes and techniques in... it is going to give you the highest percentage tools when it comes to using only your body against someone else. You would have to add in weapon considerations but the wrestling ability and physical attributes gained through MMA would best prepare you to learn and employ those techniques. Multiple attackers? No martial art is designed for that, but the footwork, toughness, power and other skills learned will put you in the best position. It's probably the best bet.
Not to be a stickler, but it's the lateral femoral nerve that you're affecting with an outside leg kick. 👍
Was waiting for that knee to the leg meat the whole video xD.
Tenderize that leg meat!
Luv me sum clinch tips ✌
Just the tip!
Anyone here tested their reaction time?
I did mine on Human Benchmark and got 161ms average of 5 tries. (144hz monitor will have an edge over 60hz not sure how much)
This was after about 3 practice tries though. My worst time being an average 190ms
The average person scores around 225ms
I had my friends do the test and some of them were scoring 400-500ms on average even after 30mins of trying. (possibly input lag somewhere though)
It's kind of a gene thing and can be improved with practice but overall deteriorates as you get older.
I am not sure how much weight the test actually carries but I found it interesting. My younger brother is slightly quicker than me as well.
why not show takedown entries from the underhook?
1. Outside the scope of this video.
2. I dont know any!
single leg or bodylock clinch
Self-defense sitch, i'm going straight Muay Thai clinch, knees, elbows, and dirty boxing.
I can tell hes an ex cop
Yeah he said that before lmaoo!
Yeah lol
Now I can prank call you 😁
We already get them. It never is as funny or interesting as the person probably thought it would be.
Na, Icy, that knee at the end won't hit the common peroneal nerve since the common peroneal nerve is at the neck of the fibula, which is more commonly injured when you get hit with a police baton or an outside calf kick placed right below the knee.
HOWEVER, said knee will definitely hit the lateral femoral cutaneous nerve, which carries the sensation from the anterior and lateral thigh. Translation? A world of hurt. Source? Yours truly. Have been kicked. Can confirm.
Great tutorial, especially for the not so big and strong and easy enough for the fight IQ challenged cats like me. Keep 'em coming, Coach!
Nerd alert!
@@IcyMikeP I have an exam in a month and these annoying little details are the subject matter so this actually helped me study by questioning my information recall. Icy is smart guy disguised as tough guy. Icy knows more than we are lead to believe. Icy is awesome. Be like Icy.
@@meowmeowone8479 sssshhhh
I'm a " I'm going to sweep or throw you on to your head" kinda guy.
Really? I'm a Mexican food kinda guy man I guess we can't hang out.
@@hard2hurt
Bummer.
Thus is life.
@@hard2hurt almost as good as Mexican food.
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This is Krav AF
Watch your mouth!
Cool n all
But how do you fight climate change?
Alex Ackles Does not exist
Obiwan Kenobi I thought Obiwan was supposed to be smart
@@User-gd5un you figured out I was a projection, but how?
Well its always pretty cool wherever I am...
Standing arm triangle, you are done
Probably.
Second! I saw your cousin watching at 1:15
We attract a certain type around here.
@@hard2hurt The bald type? I say that speaking has a head shaver myself.
This stuff looks a bit like Fiore's abrazare.
Thanks for the explanation but there was no demonstration.
What do you mean?
@@hard2hurt It would be very much appreciated a demonstration where the technique could be put to test, maybe using some gear but with real energy.
That guy looked like he had some counters to the technique. Live resistance could give us some valuable feedback.
Did you tell that guy who has a "ground fighter" t-shirt at your seminar that there is no such thing as a ground fighter?
No he is way better at bjj than me he would drag me to the ground and tap me out.
Every video on this channel is done in clothes that people don't generally don't wear to work or out for an evening. Everything you're showing is with completely unrestricted mobility. I'd love to see you talk about this side clench when you're wearing a suit jacket, shoes that don't give good grip, and pants that don't really let you get up for that knee you're putting in. It seems to be the one thing self defense wise thats missing from an otherwise excellent channel.
You don't wear shorts and a t-shirt to work? That suuuuucks!
@@hard2hurt lol. yeah, hard to believe, and I don't even live in one of those places where it snows.
UNDER HOOK ! BOOM .
LEARN BASIC GRECO ROMAN WRESTLING !!
Richard Greico wrestling.
Yo Im 5'4 hby?
Pfft I'm 5'5" I'm way bigger than you.
@@hard2hurt touché
@@hard2hurt Im 15 years old though
Are you still a Police Officer?
No. I do personal training full time.
so framing to be short
Yes, framing... and why does my height always come up.
@@hard2hurt why u catching feelings bro im 5'6 too looool
That starting position is stupid, you’re wide open to the right hand while your stick in
The pit
Says the move has no counter.
Gets countered twice.
Seems legit.
You must be new here...
FIRST!!!
Thanks for your contribution to the dialogue!
I thought Aikido doesn't work? :-/
Why are you teaching people Aikido???
Watch your mouth!
@@hard2hurt Posture, Position, Timing. A very clear Ikkyo, variation of Iriminage, the spiraling down instead of a throw... etc
Someone, who actually cared to learn the names of Aikido techniques, could name a few others that you used just in this video :-)
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The first of your vids I disagree with. Attempting to punch & knee a guy in a clutch is all but pointless for professional fighters, let alone the average guy. Use the clinch to pick him up & slam him to the ground or get him in a choke hold.
Then why do thousands of professional fighters do this and why are professional fighters at the highest levels winning fights with it and why are there countless instances of this occurring? You realize people can read this, right?
@@hard2hurt Thousands of professional fighters are not winning using this. They do this untill they can punch & kick from standing, choke, slam or joint lock, Which is how they win. Once in a while a fight will be won due to punching &/kneeing in a clinch. You do realize there are lots of us who have been around longer than you, right?
This is what Krav Maga in the UK looks like.
Too much talking ..