I did too. I had no interest in reading the Bible as a revelation of God, rather I thought it would be interesting to see the psychological 'truths' contained in it. The series was fascinating and I thought I ought to read the book that he was speaking on. I decided to give it a shot, I didn't get very far on my own (my lens was so completely worldly), a friend suggested I go on an Alpha course (online during the pandemic) I went along but it was short and so 'surface level' it didn't satisfy so many of the questions I had, the people on the Alpha course put me in touch with a church that were doing Bible studies online and I asked if I could join. They were gracious enough to allow me to join despite my many questions and lack of faith. The more I read the Bible, the more I saw I was reading the truth. I understood that but I had yet to accept Christ as my saviour. It took more study and time to fully grasp what accepting Jesus really meant (I still have to work at how I live), but I came to faith in 2021 and was Baptised in 2022 and am an active member of my local church.
@paultrosclair1775 He has actually found truth speaking Bible believers podcasts. He's a bright man who seeks out the truth when it's presented in a way he gets. His Dad and I are believers and give him direction as well.
I loved the interview with Peterson and John Rich, who point-blank, shared the gospel with him. I had never seen Peterson at a loss for words until that moment. I'm praying he has a truely supernatural born-again experience with Jesus. Then, he will REALLY see the Kingdom of God and what it means personally.
I have watched 6-8 Christians review Jordan Peterson's ideas & beliefs. If I'm not mistaken, this is the 1st critique that did not focus primarily on whetherJordan was "a believer", altho" some of your comments touched on this. What I loved & appreciated MOST about this conversation is YOUR recognition of & well-deserved praise of HIS great respect for the Bible & the earnest & respectful Jordan discusses the Word. And while you were admiring Jordan's respect for the Bible, I was certainly admiring the great respect both of you demonstrated for his ideas, his book, the novel ideas he brought to Bible characters, events & stories, as well as the way you explained your differences in belief from him. I hope, along with you, that Jordan Peterson sees this podcast & I believe that he would be pleased, honored & gratified by it! ❤ Thank you, Brothers! 👍🏻☮️💜
Too bad Rich came off as an a-hole. The typical evangelicalistic, shove it in your face tactics that we've all seen and heard. Peterson wants to converse and suddenly someone holds a knife to your throat and the only thing they care about are your words at that moment. That's why Peterson says he lives it. He acts it. Open your freakin' eyes.
@@martyduke3139 there's an old saying about missing heaven by 12-18 inches, i.e., the difference between knowing the Word of God intellectually and submitting one's heart to Jesus Christ. My own concern, having followed Peterson off and on ever since his 15 minutes back around 2017-2018, is that he's got the word of God so analyzed and boxed up to suit all his intellectual needs for it, that perhaps he won't make the jump to the acknowledgement of sin and need for the Savior.
I did find the book very interesting; while I have some quibbles about JP, I think he's incredibly intelligent and very eloquent. I'm praying for him, and hoping he comes home soon.
I've talked to atheists who actually believe the stories in the Bible are on the same level as mother goose stories, probably because they only have a Sunday school understanding of them, but I think Peterson's work has cast the Bible in an more intellectual light and has caused those people who considered themselves "too smart" to take the Bible seriously to reconsider it.
People like that are so sloppy and intellectually lazy. To think billions of people, including PhDs, Nobel prize winners, Professors, leading philosophers, etc... are just dumb and believe in Harry Potter-syle stories, rather than to think that you're probably the problem and aren't understanding something here, is a MASSIVE red flag to the fact you're most likely completely incorrect in your position and/or an idiot.
I have a very very intelligent family member who i love so, so much. He knows the Bible very well, but for some reason, cannot quite believe it. I think so much in this world - the things that look like success often - can be that last hurdle, you know? Being extremely smart, well read, those things can be huge stumbling blocks. So I pray for God's will. Then you just love them a whole lot.
@@SeanMcDowell Did Jordan Peterson ever interact with 2 Peter 1: 16-21 in his book? To me, this seems like the “Bridge text” between his understanding of the scriptures as “True” stories, and what you both and the apostle Peter are describing as “The True Story.” 2 Peter 1:16-21 Eyewitnesses of His Majesty (Matthew 17:1-13; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:28-36) 16For we did not follow cleverly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”c 18And we ourselves heard this voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. 19We also have the word of the prophets as confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation. 21For no such prophecy was ever brought forth by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I think Ben Shapiro said it best when describing what Jordan Peterson thinks about the Bible. Ben said, “Jordan believes that it is true, whereas I think it actually happened.”
The lie Israel and Jewish believers tell the world today is that they were victims of Roman rule vs cursed by God when Rome destroyed that administration. The doctrine they promote today is exactly the doctrine Jesus and the Apostles condemned yet a lot of misguided Christian’s today say they are still people God honors.
I loved this book. I’ve read it twice already. Well, I got a physical copy and a copy on Audible, so, I read it once and listened to it once, but, at any rate, I absolutely loved it. Everyone should read it. And, to answer the question, is this Jordan Peterson’s best book? Well, I’ve read all of his books, and YES. It absolutely is.
Probably getting it as well. I don't like Peterson's political stance but I loved his takes in his debate with Dawkins. He really showed how intellectually shallow Dawkins is. Taking the Bible stories seriously as stories with a message can be a first step for many non believers. When I first read the Bible at 19, I wasn't a Christian. It took another 4 years but it was the first step on the journey.
Thank you for this. It’s about time that some Christian men listened to Jordan. Jordan has been on a real journey with God…wrestling with God, grappling with reality and absolute truth. Jordan has been used by God to direct many young men into the scripture. “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” Jordan is a man of strength and integrity. A question for you: Why is God using a man who communicates in ambiguous as to whether he believes the scripture are literal historical stories… to bring the word of God back into the minds of secular people? (A man who has had serious discussions with the leading atheists. ) Why is God not using church leaders? Why are people paying to go hear him lecture on biblical themes? The majority of people attending a Peterson talk have no interest in going to church to hear the scriptures expounded on. I have tried to open church people up to questioning what is involved in Peterson’s rise to prominence especially in the minds of young men. Sadly, there is a shut down and lack of curiosity. Yet, the modern church is extremely weak on it’s faith in the scripture… I have been a believer for over 50 years. It is my observation that Church leaders are big on people attending church, but, seem to be failing is equipping people know the word of God and know God personally.
💯💯💯 Jordan is a beacon of light that brings together ppl from all walks of life. So many people dont trust churches and organized religions. Jordan has definitely helped me open my eyes again to the teachings in a way I never knew was possible. 😊🙌
Amen!! 👌🏼🇿🇦 God is using him mightily and that is also the reason for NOT proclaiming that he is a follower of Jesus, because the church is what it has become.....he speaks into young people's hearts so profoundly. Bless him and his family ....and yours. Have a very blessed Christmas, may we reflect on God's astounding love for us, that he sent our Lord and Savior Jesus, to live the life...that we never could ✨👑🙏🏼
Maybe because the Bible is more than literal historical stories. Jordan cracks open the allegories and metaphors of the Bible, which is where we can find the true meat of scripture. Did not Jesus speak in parable? Young people are searching for meaning and JBP is all about meaning. In my humble opinion, anyway!
Paul Vanderklay, a pastor, responded to the whole Genesis Bible series and a bunch of non-church goers actually met with him weekly to discuss JBP's lectures. He is currently responding to Peterson's Gospel series. Worth watching.
I’ve barely scratched the surface of the book, but I’ve listened to a lot of his talk on these subjects and even saw him live on his tour. So a lot of this is repeat, but maybe diving a little deeper on all that. I agree that he sees a lot of insight on reality from the stories of the Bible, but I believe he still views them as stories rather than reality. However he doesn’t come to the Bible flippantly, but with great thought. I’m looking forward to diving more into it, even if it does take me forever to finish.
Dr Peterson is closer to belief than ever before because he watched his wife pray and be healed of cancer. It's hard for him because he has extreme standards for himself. But he is a way different man than when he taught at Harvard. His language was so course at the time. We need to pray for him because he turns the world upside down even now! What could he do as a believer?!!
He is a believer. So much so that he won’t say so. He lives it. “Belief” means “wish to be true”. His actions should demonstrate to anyone with eyes to see that he chooses to serve God’s will.
I bet you he already has faith but it will be revealed in an epic fashion. Wouldn't be surprised if he's follows Pageau his friend. You would have the three major denominations in the Peterson clan
@@michaelluke8714only problem is that, typically, a believer is unashamed to say so in plain language. That isn’t the case for him. Also, what actions are you referring to?
@@michaelluke8714 Thank you! I am so tired of reading these comments at this point. It's sad to me that people don't see he has for a long time been a truer "believer" than most that question his belief.
I am looking forward to your review of his book. I find Dr Peterson both inspiring and frustrating. He is a gifted thinker and knows his Bible stories and thus he has some deep insights into the scripture. Yet his interpretative lens is a novel one and not even all psychologists would agree with him. He also seems to have a way of making the scripture agree with his own worldview rather than allowing the scripture to speak its own story. On many occasions, I doubt that the original writers and audience would agree with what he is saying. So I love to hear what he says, but I take it with a very large grain of salt. My fear is that many believe him without seeing the problems. I hope you can provide some clarity in your review.
@@SeanMcDowellThank you for the video. I am familiar with some of his writing and views, so the book seems to be what I would expect. I may read it sometime but I am not in the position to sit down to read such a complicated tome. (One of the mysteries of the Dr is that he is a strong believer in writing to clarify one's thoughts, yet his own writings are often such dense meanderings, that I forget the question before I get to the answer. I think it may be worthwhile seeing if you can talk to Dr Peterson. He normally appears to be allergic to evangelicals and those who take the historical nature of the Bible seriously. However, you both like discussing ideas during long interviews and he may also appreciate your non-aggressive style when talking to those with whom you disagree. You are also able to have intelligent discussions about Christian matters and can explain your positions well, which may interest him.
The wisdom of Gods word is for everyone who would listen BUT until you are truly born again your search for God will remain incomplete. Jordan presents as one searching NOT as one who KNOWS. I pray for him.
Great review,. I'm half way through the book, and I am a little jealous you have the XL print, lol. 2024 I decided to read the whole Bible, almost done, but had a hard time with the old testament. This book of Dr Peterson actually has me looking forward to re-reading the Bible once again, hopefully with more perspective and understanding.
You should try a chronological plan and do a rapid read through. (I was introduced to this way of reading by Keith Ferrin. Changed the way I relate with scripture.
Great conversation!! I watched Dr. Peterson's college lectures on the bible while he was still teaching in Canada. This book sounds interesting. I appreciate Peterson viewing biblical stories as archetypal, though I know they are more than that. Thank you for a balanced review of his book.
I was a Christian for a long time, but lapsed in my faith and more or less lived as if I was basically an atheist. Had things gone a little bit differently, I might've ended up falling into the progressive christianity camp. But it was Peterson who made me interested in learning the Bible more deeply, as he described how the things that the Bible has to say about how to live in the world maps so well with a life that's actually good and fulfilling, and now I find myself coming back to the faith and learning more every day.
Just focusing on Jesus is key. Every time I am distracted by - as Rich Mullins sang, "the stuff of earth competes for the allegiance I owe only to the Giver of all good things". Rich was a huge part of keeping me on track, even though terrible times. When he died, I read everything he wrote. Then a mutual friend wrote a book that called Rich an Arrow to Heaven. That's what he was, always saying don't look at me. Look at Jesus. ❤
Peterson interprets the Bible through the lens of epistemological pluralism because he’s a student of Jung. Jung popularized the “collective subconscious” and the psychological archetype theme. There is danger here in that people may come to understand that the Bible is just one of many stories. However, it’s not unlike God to use people for his glory without their being aware. So, people who might never engage with the Bible might be being brought to it through Peterson. There’s a small book called Myth and Meaning in Jordan Peterson which contains 10 short essays from theologians critiquing his thought. Highly suggest it!
Thank you for bringing a balance into the Jordan Pieterson's book He has great relevance for today's world but I love the biblical truth that was highlighted in this discussion we need to aways go back to the scriptures
Looking forward to listening to your review on Jordan Peterson. My daughter and sister-in-law are into his writings but I'm wary of many of his statements. I shall share your podcast to my family for a better understanding of man's philosophy and God's words.
Thank you so much for this. I have been wanting to see a review of Jordan Peterson’s philosophy by Christians like yourselves for a long time. I believe Peterson is a truly good man who is doing a lot of personal soul searching (in a very public way), but I often have a hard time understanding him and following his thoughts. This was very helpful, and I appreciate the time and thought you put into this.
as a Christian in my 20s, i totally hated any "knowledge" that was not straight from the bible. It took me into my 40s to be able to see that we learn also by studying patterns in behavior, and studying family of origin. You won't find a verse in the bible on how to locate a serial killer within a population, but a behavioral expert can narrow down the field greatly. we just need to be careful to not elevate other areas of study ovrer what the bible teaches, thats all.
The Bible also says we learn about God through creation as well as scripture (Rom 1:20). Whether that be human behavior or quantum physics. God made everything and His finger of design is revealed in all of creation. The combination of both scripture and creation reveal God.
The Bible also says we learn about God through creation as well as scripture (Rom 1:20). Whether that be human behavior or quantum physics. God made everything and His finger of design is revealed in all of creation. The combination of both scripture and creation reveal God. We miss out on much if we only look to scripture for understanding God (and ourselves as well). However scripture is the ultimate acid test for truth and all of creation should be interpreted within the boundaries of scripture i.e. a correct understanding of creation will always align with scripture.
An excellent review of what Jordan Peterson does very well through his particular psychological lens and some of the limitations of his work that we need to consider. Much appreciated.
I appreciate JP, he's brilliant however; he often misses the spiritual point of the texts. Sometimes I think his intelligence gets in the way of belief in a spiritul sense.
1 Corinthians 1:25-26 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Always loved this passage, and I think it perfectly fits what you’re referring to with Peterson! Also reminds me of a song my mother used to play called: “Let Mercy Lead” by Rich Mullins!
People mistakenly correlate Jordan’s word salad talent with high IQ. Yes he’s a smart man but more so on the clever side as opposed to the wise side. Jordan’s train of thought confuses the reader. Highly intelligent people do not sound confusing. When someone speaks TRUTH it’s not confusing.
I used to think higher of Jordan Peterson, but no longer listen to him. I cannot stand his tap dancing around his belief in a literal Jesus Christ, but at the same time he'll wear a tailored suit with Christian iconography all over it. I think people need to be careful of religiosity that's on the precipice of Christianity without putting trust in Jesus Christ
Agreed. The line between cultural Christianity and true Christianity has continually gotten blurred - even in this video's conversation... when they referred to non-Christian social warriars as the pharisees. The pharisees were people who had studied Torah, believed it, but missed the point - much like Peterson and other people in cultural Christianity - not the "them" who don't believe in God in the first place.
I like JP a lot and have learned a lot from him. With regard to his handling of scripture... He has some fascinating insights which are often but not always valid. But he seems to miss the main point altogether, that Jesus Christ is literally God and came save us from our sin by His death on the cross. I think unless he's saved he'll go down in church history as a heretic. Pray for him.
@sean, mentioning the Philippines instead of saying Philistines could mean that you need to pray for my country, the Philippines. You've been there and know more about our culture. So, do continue to pray for us, as we do our share of spreading the gospel everywhere . God bless your ministry! 😊❤😊
This was amazing and very respectful (which is what I love about Sean!) Many have come to faith in Jesus through JP's work. It opens the door to Christianity in a way that connects with a different type of listener. I heard him say that he believed that this book would end new atheism once and for all. The tide is turning for many outspoken atheists. I listened to a conversation between an agnostic and a once a very outspoken atheist. At the end of the interview this is what was said: Agnostic: "so what word or words of wisdom do you want to leave our listeners with?" Atheist: "go to church."
I haven't read the book yet but I think Peterson's general approach is for those who need to want Christianity to be true before they can grapple with whether or not it is historically true. Some people won't be swayed by people who unquestioningly believe it as the literal truth, they need to see someone struggle with it and work through it in the way Dr Peterson does.
Jordan B Peterson is the the closest thing to modern day saint. Saint Peterson is the saint of discarded bastards and forgotten heros. The man is honestly a hero at least to me. He had helped me become a better father, husband, and man. Just hearing him speak has helped me find a relationship with god, his understand myself site helped my marriage, and i still learn ways to improve my life daily. Ive been in war, ive been homeless, helpless, and so deep in hell that i thought id die there doomed to suffer it for eternity. Im not 100% out of my shitstorm that i let my life get to, but he help me orient my life in a forward moving direction that is making life better daily. He succeeded in helping so many of us who's fathers left us to the wolves and whom our mothers tried to devour. Uncle sam tought me to kill, dad tought me to hate, mom tought me to love, but St. Peterson tought me to live for someone other than myself and to see god in all things good and bad, and how to aim for goals bigger than selfish immediate gratitude for the future i can make for my kids. Say what u want about him, ill always believe that god made him to help us. Canada doesn't deserve him if thats how they treated him, Americans need him and i and many others would die to keep him. He is saving the world one bastard at a time, i speak from experience.
@@squidbert7225 Thank you!! So well put from a personal perspective of how Dr. Peterson helps you!! You’re doing a GREAT job!! Keep moving forward & aiming high!! God Bless you!! BTW: I believe Dr. Peterson & Tammy moved to the US!! Arizona, Tennessee, Florida I’m not sure where, but I think the November elections helped him believe that we’re serious in the US about keeping our God given rights of Free speech & more!! I’m happy about that too!! I don’t plan on giving up my Ruger SR9 anytime soon!! 🙏🏼🌈❤️🕊🐾
I have been saved for over 3 years now, and I still wrestle with a lot of things. I am tryi g to read this book currently, but it is NOT an easy read. In that, I mean it's very dense and not at all dumbed down. I'm not saying it's not a great book because it is. Anyhow, thanks for the review. I just now found your channel for the first time and subbed immediately after watching. I need more good Christian content in my life.
I'm 22 min in and can't wait to buy the book! Love that you didn't edit out the ringing of the phone 😂....and starting over! What a magnificent man and that God gave him such a talent and extraordinary mind!! I personally think he deeply loves God and is a follower of Jesus.....there is reasoning behind not making it "public" the people around him know Thank you for this discussion Love in Christ from South Africa 🇿🇦
Even before you said something, I was thinking, "It would be GREAT to see a conversation between Sean and Dr. Peterson!" I think you would do a great job not only being fair to Peterson's perspective in the discussion, but I feel you would be a great person to challenge him where applicable. I, like you, believe Peterson holds to more of a pragmatic view of truth. And I'm not sure if it is even possible to be "saved" with that view.
Thank you, gentlemen!! You were very respectful of Dr. Peterson’s work. I wonder if, in the 500+ pages that were taken out of his book, some of your questions were answered. I have heard him talk about the hyperbolic connections in the Bible. And that the more he read it, the more connections he saw. I do believe that Dr. Peterson is a modern day Israel & doing his best to wrestle with God!! 🙏🏼🌈❤️🕊🐾
Sean is always extremely winsome. I got to spend time with his Dad years and years ago, they are such wonderful people. The whole family, such great gifts and they share them beautifully.
A few years ago Dr. Peterson interviewed Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi who wrote "The Book that Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization ". It appears this book inspired him write his tome.
Book sounds interesting. Hearing the title, it reminded me of Jacob wrestling with the Angel of the Lord. He wouldn't let him go until he blessed him. Though Jacob had a limp, he got his blessing!
I appreciate your analysis and agree. Peterson has strengths and weaknesses. Peterson's teaching method is effective, even if his existentialism is not what I believe. He has some good elements and good methods. We can glean from him without endorsing everything about him. I hope that he is on a path from pragmatism to existentialism, and eventually to see the Bible's message as objective, absolute truth. That is, where he is, is better than where he was. I pray he is moving closer. Thank you for the good work!
Great show. Don't worry about a petty phone ringing. That is striving for perfection and there is no need for that. I prefer those errors and the practicing of grace being seen on screen for others to see other practice in action.
if you do not understand his first book, the what he is writing may be a surprise. If you understanding what he is writing. It is not surprise. He is always looking for the meta narrative. Not, if it is historical true. But what is true about the stories that are true. What can we learn from them.
Thank you for providing insight on this book. God is moving and drawing people to Him. I appreciate Jordan’s vulnerable introspection, and then sharing the “Truth” he finds in God’s Word and how it applies to the World in the 21st century. Again thank you!
Question for those who have the hardcover edition - does it have stitched binding? I love a high quality book. There's also two publishers - Vermilion and Portfolio who have the hardcover version...
Peterson is no longer a Canadian, right? He lives in Florida.But there is evidence that he also lives in Arizona. Actually he can live wherever he wishes as he is now a multi-millionaire. He lost his license in Canada but it no longer can be discussed as or considered to be a "loss" ...his videos of class lectures when he was a Professor in Canada are probably still on UA-cam, they are fascinating! He is NOT in any way racist, nor against women.
2:17 He still has his license, he “needs” to take a “reeducation” class in order to continue with the university, and all the attention and controversy makes it impossible to effectively practice as a phycologist currently. The university he launched pretty much takes his skills and puts them together on his own terms.
I listen to Peterson often, so when you said that it’s long and you often wondered “what is he saying”….well, that’s Peterson. I’d love to see you interview him but I think he could be a very frustrating or exasperating interview because he can run off on these tangents. That is usually because he is following rabbit trails and often will loop it back around, but boy as a listener, you have to work to keep up. But here’s the thing…whether Christian leaders like you guys like it or not, he is one of the top people in the world with the microphone. Meaning, he has a HUGE following and through him, that huge following is actually considering the Bible and our God in ways that haven’t been done since Billy Graham in his heyday of the 50s-60s.
Some of Pertersons names for God or, ideas of truth are also used in the new age ideas of a god or "higher power" and ideas of good and evil especially in regard to works for salvation so that needs to be clairified, But he does have some incredible insights into the story's of the Bible.
Thanks for the review of the book. JP says some very interesting things, but he uses way too many words to say them for me. This abridged version through their review summed it up nicely. I think the crux for JP is, "Could I surrender my life to this God of the Bible?" I pray he gets there some day.
He´s yet to understand the importance of grace, the fact that we all fall short and that we can´t obey God on our own strength. As usual, he is searching for archetypes more than searching for a savior. He´s a moralist that can see many problems in our society but it´s still blind the core problem and the real solution.
Also for David and Goliath, the text goes out of its way to make Goliath the Serpent: his armor is scaled, the bronze of his items has the same root as serpent in Gen 3, David fights him to stop "shame". How does the battle go? The messiah in the story removes the garments and crushes the head of the serpent... So there's that then
38:39 I would question that this is the first time this occurs. The Egyptians surely had a hierarchy of governance and administration in their empire, and Moses was part of it.
Petersen said on EWTN that there is a second book coming out of the stuff that was cut out by the editing. I believe this will be a 2 book set. Pax Christi, Peter.
The founding fathers of our country cited directly from the bible well over a thousand times during the time they created the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The Library of Congress contains the documentation of this fact
Thank you gentlemen for your sound and righteous exegesis and your analysis of Jordan's work. I like Jordan Peterson so very much. He's a deeply real and compassionate man and I want him to confess Jesus without his intellectual lenses on. That is Jordon's flaw in reading and interpreting scripture. His intellectual lenses cause a misunderstanding of important pericopes of the Old Testament texts in particular. I'm always so sad when he makes these human errors because I think were it not for his beautiful intellect, he would humble himself and believe.
A Christian has a personal relationship with God. What Jordan "admits" in public has no bearing to his belief as he has not DENIED God. God works his will through fallible men. The fact that a public testimony of faith is a massive topic of interest certainly serves and keeps Christianity in the public interest. I believe that God has called Jordan to play a part of the "Holy Spirit."
On several podcasts, people have invited Jordan to make a commitment to Christ. He has always found ways to change the topic. If he was a Christian, I don't think he would switch to another topic so quickly.
His own daughter who is a Christian has said he isn't but is closer than he used to be. Based on what he has said in the past I'd call him a deist more than anything else.
I'm telling you, if you want amazing insights on the Bible and views/theories you never heard before, check out Jordan Petersons round table reviews of Exodus or The Gospels. He has multiple people present from Historians, Artist, Rabbis, Priest, and writers. The go through the topic verse by verse and all give their insights with Peterson being like a director. Its long format, but it WILL change how you look at the Bible in a very good way.
Fantastic talk. Glad you left in the phone call interruption…yeah I can tell that was a bit annoying, but hey we’re all human. Philippines 3. Ha so great, glad you left that in too. Been there done that. Love ya Sean, and I also really admire and respect Dr Peterson. Granted, he’s not a Christian, but he’s definitely taking strong strides to learn and promote the Bible. Praying for him to become a brother in Christ. God bless
Love your thoughts and the video, but I think I disagree with the idea that there aren’t universally applicable principles beyond the specific intents of the biblical author which the Holy Spirit can open up to people. The meaning and usefulness of Scripture not limited to the intent of the human authors.
Yes, we would see Jesus actually walk out of the tomb if there had been a camera set up there. Because the Bible says they found the stone had been rolled away.
On the belief question, Peterson says he lives his life "as though God exists". He's on a journey and enough people have been praying for him for years.
Many Christians don't understand that Peterson is already a believer, he questions those who say and not do. So he answers "I act as if there is a God" and when pushed by Rich (the singer) he said he gave his life to Christ long time ago.
He didn’t actually say that though, in the sense that any Christian would recognize a confession of faith. Peterson famously waffles on whether or not he is genuinely a Christian. I’m sorry, but if you can’t say “yes” to that, and “Jesus is my Lord and saviour”, than I can’t believe you are saved. God says confess with your mouth, that IS an “act”. So if Peterson really did “act as if” he believed, than he would follow scripture, and confess it freely, and I would argue anyone genuinely saved is eager to confess it, not just willing to.
His own daughter who is a Christian said he isn't but he's closer than he used to be. Based on what he often says he's more a deist than anything else.
he believes in the truths of Christianity and may believe in Christ as Lord but as a leader the ritual matters to show others how God desires to be worshiped. It's not enough to believe you need to be a light to the world.
I think the mention of Israel's need to purge themselves of what they were holding on to from the Egyptians is spot on, and I think Joshua 5:9 says so! The Lord says that at the circumcision of the Israelites at Gibeath Haaraloth, he removed the Egyptians' disgrace from them..
Just to pick one point amongst many, to disagree with Sean on, I'll take 43:33, Abraham, the father of the faithful. The one whose life absolutely models our walk in faith that Christ is in us, i.e., union. The exact point Jesus made to the rich young ruler that foxes have dens and birds have nests but the son of man has no where to lay his head and that includes those who accept their life in Christ and Christ in them. Our faith is not in our dens and nests but in him that his character is in us and that we can live in it and out of it as he brings us to the fullness of himself. We will make mistakes along the way, but are never on our own. I have permission to live out of what has already been given me, i.e., the life of Christ. Faith is to trust the process.
20:26 Elijah, Elisha - they are two different prophets. Don't mix them up. The prophet who dealt with King Ahab and the Baal priests was Elijah (1 Kings 18).
God downloaded to Einstein the theory of relativity. First God gave Einstein the gifts he needed to understand relativity. He needed learning and focus--not being interested in most worldly matters. Now Einstein tries to explain this to ordinary people without gifts, learning or other interests. That's what Jordan Peterson is trying to do. With the understanding God has given him, he is trying to give to us who are not geniuses or psychologists. He's opening a crack and it's up to the individual then to realize there really is a God. Before we criticize Jordan I think we should take a look at ourselves and understand that he is courageous enough to step out by faith into forbidden territory to approach the normal person and invited him to follow him in finding their own way once given some primitive tools. Yes, primitive because he goes all the way back to Cain and Abel. And nothing has changed. And that's what he's saying. Jordan is giving us sparklers of brilliance. He's handing you sparklers to light in the night and be awed at the small dynamic force you are holding in your hand. The more sparklers you get the more light you will have. The source of these sparklers is the Bible which is the wondrous and fearful truth.
I know some Christians insist on faith alone, but faith without works that align with the Gospel is dead. 49:00 Jesus alone saved us but it is by our works, and the intentions in our heart behind those works, that prove if our faith is real or not. It's a fine distinction but immensely important. Not everyone that says "Lord! Lord! will be welcomed into Heaven.
Jordan Peterson and his wife Tammy were both VERY close to death at the same time from different causes. Tammy’s close friend who is Catholic prayed for their healing. Tammy is now a Catholic. I think Jordan is close to joining Tammy if he hasn’t already.
My son came to a realization of scripture thanks to JP's Genesis lectures which opened his mind and heart to Christ and the Bible!
I did too. I had no interest in reading the Bible as a revelation of God, rather I thought it would be interesting to see the psychological 'truths' contained in it. The series was fascinating and I thought I ought to read the book that he was speaking on. I decided to give it a shot, I didn't get very far on my own (my lens was so completely worldly), a friend suggested I go on an Alpha course (online during the pandemic) I went along but it was short and so 'surface level' it didn't satisfy so many of the questions I had, the people on the Alpha course put me in touch with a church that were doing Bible studies online and I asked if I could join. They were gracious enough to allow me to join despite my many questions and lack of faith. The more I read the Bible, the more I saw I was reading the truth. I understood that but I had yet to accept Christ as my saviour. It took more study and time to fully grasp what accepting Jesus really meant (I still have to work at how I live), but I came to faith in 2021 and was Baptised in 2022 and am an active member of my local church.
Then your son needs to find a Bible teacher who actually knows what he is talking about and actually believes the Bible because Peterson doesn't.
@paultrosclair1775 He has actually found truth speaking Bible believers podcasts. He's a bright man who seeks out the truth when it's presented in a way he gets. His Dad and I are believers and give him direction as well.
Praise God!
@@paultrosclair1775 I absolutely agree 💯%!
I loved the interview with Peterson and John Rich, who point-blank, shared the gospel with him. I had never seen Peterson at a loss for words until that moment. I'm praying he has a truely supernatural born-again experience with Jesus. Then, he will REALLY see the Kingdom of God and what it means personally.
I have watched 6-8 Christians review Jordan Peterson's ideas & beliefs. If I'm not mistaken, this is the 1st critique that did not focus primarily on whetherJordan was "a believer", altho" some of your comments touched on this. What I loved & appreciated MOST about this conversation is YOUR recognition of & well-deserved praise of HIS great respect for the Bible & the earnest & respectful Jordan discusses the Word. And while you were admiring Jordan's respect for the Bible, I was certainly admiring the great respect both of you demonstrated for his ideas, his book, the novel ideas he brought to Bible characters, events & stories, as well as the way you explained your differences in belief from him. I hope, along with you, that Jordan Peterson sees this podcast & I believe that he would be pleased, honored & gratified by it! ❤ Thank you, Brothers! 👍🏻☮️💜
@@martyduke3139 well said 👌🏼✝️
Too bad Rich came off as an a-hole. The typical evangelicalistic, shove it in your face tactics that we've all seen and heard. Peterson wants to converse and suddenly someone holds a knife to your throat and the only thing they care about are your words at that moment. That's why Peterson says he lives it. He acts it. Open your freakin' eyes.
@@martyduke3139 there's an old saying about missing heaven by 12-18 inches, i.e., the difference between knowing the Word of God intellectually and submitting one's heart to Jesus Christ. My own concern, having followed Peterson off and on ever since his 15 minutes back around 2017-2018, is that he's got the word of God so analyzed and boxed up to suit all his intellectual needs for it, that perhaps he won't make the jump to the acknowledgement of sin and need for the Savior.
John Rich was an amazing and direct witness
I did find the book very interesting; while I have some quibbles about JP, I think he's incredibly intelligent and very eloquent. I'm praying for him, and hoping he comes home soon.
I've talked to atheists who actually believe the stories in the Bible are on the same level as mother goose stories, probably because they only have a Sunday school understanding of them, but I think Peterson's work has cast the Bible in an more intellectual light and has caused those people who considered themselves "too smart" to take the Bible seriously to reconsider it.
Those atheists are retarded
People like that are so sloppy and intellectually lazy.
To think billions of people, including PhDs, Nobel prize winners, Professors, leading philosophers, etc... are just dumb and believe in Harry Potter-syle stories, rather than to think that you're probably the problem and aren't understanding something here, is a MASSIVE red flag to the fact you're most likely completely incorrect in your position and/or an idiot.
Yup just read the comments section under his videos... countless stories about people getting into the bible because of him and then going to church.
Atheists are also pretty stupid man.
I have a very very intelligent family member who i love so, so much. He knows the Bible very well, but for some reason, cannot quite believe it. I think so much in this world - the things that look like success often - can be that last hurdle, you know? Being extremely smart, well read, those things can be huge stumbling blocks. So I pray for God's will. Then you just love them a whole lot.
Sean McDowell on Jordan Peterson. Something of a dream come true!
Haha, let me know what you think!
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Did Jordan Peterson ever interact with 2 Peter 1: 16-21 in his book?
To me, this seems like the “Bridge text” between his understanding of the scriptures as “True” stories, and what you both and the apostle Peter are describing as “The True Story.”
2 Peter 1:16-21
Eyewitnesses of His Majesty
(Matthew 17:1-13; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:28-36)
16For we did not follow cleverly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”c 18And we ourselves heard this voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19We also have the word of the prophets as confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation. 21For no such prophecy was ever brought forth by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Now we await an interview with Peterson.🙏🏽
@@SeanMcDowellDid you watch his Exodus series?
I think Ben Shapiro said it best when describing what Jordan Peterson thinks about the Bible. Ben said, “Jordan believes that it is true, whereas I think it actually happened.”
That seems so precise
Does that include the gospels, does Shapiro believe them?
Shapiro interviewed William Lane Craig on his podcast. I think you will find your question answered there.
The lie Israel and Jewish believers tell the world today is that they were victims of Roman rule vs cursed by God when Rome destroyed that administration. The doctrine they promote today is exactly the doctrine Jesus and the Apostles condemned yet a lot of misguided Christian’s today say they are still people God honors.
Shapiro. Typical self righteous J.
I loved this book. I’ve read it twice already. Well, I got a physical copy and a copy on Audible, so, I read it once and listened to it once, but, at any rate, I absolutely loved it. Everyone should read it.
And, to answer the question, is this Jordan Peterson’s best book? Well, I’ve read all of his books, and YES. It absolutely is.
100%
Probably getting it as well. I don't like Peterson's political stance but I loved his takes in his debate with Dawkins. He really showed how intellectually shallow Dawkins is.
Taking the Bible stories seriously as stories with a message can be a first step for many non believers. When I first read the Bible at 19, I wasn't a Christian. It took another 4 years but it was the first step on the journey.
Have this sitting in my car for my trip home “through the desert.” His biblical series renewed my faith
It’s basically a rehash of the biblical series…
@ that’s fine, in written form it can help me understand more. I just listened to this biblical series.
Thank you for this.
It’s about time that some Christian men listened to Jordan.
Jordan has been on a real journey with God…wrestling with God, grappling with reality and absolute truth.
Jordan has been used by God to direct many young men into the scripture.
“Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.”
Jordan is a man of strength and integrity.
A question for you:
Why is God using a man who communicates in ambiguous as to whether he believes the scripture are literal historical stories… to bring the word of God back into the minds of secular people? (A man who has had serious discussions with the leading atheists. )
Why is God not using church leaders?
Why are people paying to go hear him lecture on biblical themes? The majority of people attending a Peterson talk have no interest in going to church to hear the scriptures expounded on.
I have tried to open church people up to questioning what is involved in Peterson’s rise to prominence especially in the minds of young men. Sadly, there is a shut down and lack of curiosity. Yet, the modern church is extremely weak on it’s faith in the scripture…
I have been a believer for over 50 years. It is my observation that Church leaders are big on people attending church, but, seem to be failing is equipping people know the word of God and know God personally.
💯💯💯 Jordan is a beacon of light that brings together ppl from all walks of life. So many people dont trust churches and organized religions. Jordan has definitely helped me open my eyes again to the teachings in a way I never knew was possible. 😊🙌
The world is in desperate need for people in the likes of Jordan, and I often feel empowered to share some of his knowledge in my day to day life 😊
Amen!! 👌🏼🇿🇦 God is using him mightily and that is also the reason for NOT proclaiming that he is a follower of Jesus, because the church is what it has become.....he speaks into young people's hearts so profoundly. Bless him and his family ....and yours. Have a very blessed Christmas, may we reflect on God's astounding love for us, that he sent our Lord and Savior Jesus, to live the life...that we never could ✨👑🙏🏼
Maybe because the Bible is more than literal historical stories. Jordan cracks open the allegories and metaphors of the Bible, which is where we can find the true meat of scripture. Did not Jesus speak in parable? Young people are searching for meaning and JBP is all about meaning. In my humble opinion, anyway!
Paul Vanderklay, a pastor, responded to the whole Genesis Bible series and a bunch of non-church goers actually met with him weekly to discuss JBP's lectures.
He is currently responding to Peterson's Gospel series. Worth watching.
I’ve barely scratched the surface of the book, but I’ve listened to a lot of his talk on these subjects and even saw him live on his tour. So a lot of this is repeat, but maybe diving a little deeper on all that. I agree that he sees a lot of insight on reality from the stories of the Bible, but I believe he still views them as stories rather than reality. However he doesn’t come to the Bible flippantly, but with great thought. I’m looking forward to diving more into it, even if it does take me forever to finish.
Dr Peterson is closer to belief than ever before because he watched his wife pray and be healed of cancer. It's hard for him because he has extreme standards for himself. But he is a way different man than when he taught at Harvard. His language was so course at the time. We need to pray for him because he turns the world upside down even now! What could he do as a believer?!!
He is a believer. So much so that he won’t say so. He lives it. “Belief” means “wish to be true”. His actions should demonstrate to anyone with eyes to see that he chooses to serve God’s will.
I bet you he already has faith but it will be revealed in an epic fashion. Wouldn't be surprised if he's follows Pageau his friend. You would have the three major denominations in the Peterson clan
@@michaelluke8714only problem is that, typically, a believer is unashamed to say so in plain language. That isn’t the case for him. Also, what actions are you referring to?
"when he taught at Harvard." -- what are you talking about??
@@michaelluke8714 Thank you! I am so tired of reading these comments at this point. It's sad to me that people don't see he has for a long time been a truer "believer" than most that question his belief.
I am looking forward to your review of his book. I find Dr Peterson both inspiring and frustrating. He is a gifted thinker and knows his Bible stories and thus he has some deep insights into the scripture. Yet his interpretative lens is a novel one and not even all psychologists would agree with him. He also seems to have a way of making the scripture agree with his own worldview rather than allowing the scripture to speak its own story. On many occasions, I doubt that the original writers and audience would agree with what he is saying. So I love to hear what he says, but I take it with a very large grain of salt.
My fear is that many believe him without seeing the problems. I hope you can provide some clarity in your review.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word is God
Well observed, @Asher0208. I would quite agree with that.
I hope it helps!
@@SeanMcDowellThank you for the video. I am familiar with some of his writing and views, so the book seems to be what I would expect. I may read it sometime but I am not in the position to sit down to read such a complicated tome. (One of the mysteries of the Dr is that he is a strong believer in writing to clarify one's thoughts, yet his own writings are often such dense meanderings, that I forget the question before I get to the answer.
I think it may be worthwhile seeing if you can talk to Dr Peterson. He normally appears to be allergic to evangelicals and those who take the historical nature of the Bible seriously. However, you both like discussing ideas during long interviews and he may also appreciate your non-aggressive style when talking to those with whom you disagree. You are also able to have intelligent discussions about Christian matters and can explain your positions well, which may interest him.
Well said
The wisdom of Gods word is for everyone who would listen BUT until you are truly born again your search for God will remain incomplete. Jordan presents as one searching NOT as one who KNOWS. I pray for him.
Good points. Praying JP comes to know Him.
Great review,. I'm half way through the book, and I am a little jealous you have the XL print, lol. 2024 I decided to read the whole Bible, almost done, but had a hard time with the old testament. This book of Dr Peterson actually has me looking forward to re-reading the Bible once again, hopefully with more perspective and understanding.
That’s awesome to hear. I’ve heard from many people that he has motivated them to go back to the Bible.
You should try a chronological plan and do a rapid read through. (I was introduced to this way of reading by Keith Ferrin. Changed the way I relate with scripture.
Great conversation!! I watched Dr. Peterson's college lectures on the bible while he was still teaching in Canada. This book sounds interesting. I appreciate Peterson viewing biblical stories as archetypal, though I know they are more than that. Thank you for a balanced review of his book.
I was a Christian for a long time, but lapsed in my faith and more or less lived as if I was basically an atheist. Had things gone a little bit differently, I might've ended up falling into the progressive christianity camp. But it was Peterson who made me interested in learning the Bible more deeply, as he described how the things that the Bible has to say about how to live in the world maps so well with a life that's actually good and fulfilling, and now I find myself coming back to the faith and learning more every day.
Just focusing on Jesus is key. Every time I am distracted by - as Rich Mullins sang, "the stuff of earth competes for the allegiance I owe only to the Giver of all good things". Rich was a huge part of keeping me on track, even though terrible times. When he died, I read everything he wrote. Then a mutual friend wrote a book that called Rich an Arrow to Heaven. That's what he was, always saying don't look at me. Look at Jesus. ❤
Peterson interprets the Bible through the lens of epistemological pluralism because he’s a student of Jung. Jung popularized the “collective subconscious” and the psychological archetype theme. There is danger here in that people may come to understand that the Bible is just one of many stories. However, it’s not unlike God to use people for his glory without their being aware. So, people who might never engage with the Bible might be being brought to it through Peterson.
There’s a small book called Myth and Meaning in Jordan Peterson which contains 10 short essays from theologians critiquing his thought. Highly suggest it!
i really love these videos of you two discussing books. this one was particularly fascinating. thanks for doing these.
Thank you for bringing a balance into the Jordan Pieterson's book
He has great relevance for today's world but I love the biblical truth that was highlighted in this discussion we need to aways go back to the scriptures
Hello Dr. Sean! Tuning into my 1st LIVE. So blessed our paths crossed on the recent Caribbean cruise!
Looking forward to listening to your review on Jordan Peterson. My daughter and sister-in-law are into his writings but I'm wary of many of his statements. I shall share your podcast to my family for a better understanding of man's philosophy and God's words.
Love it Sean! Nice insights.
Thank you so much for this. I have been wanting to see a review of Jordan Peterson’s philosophy by Christians like yourselves for a long time. I believe Peterson is a truly good man who is doing a lot of personal soul searching (in a very public way), but I often have a hard time understanding him and following his thoughts. This was very helpful, and I appreciate the time and thought you put into this.
as a Christian in my 20s, i totally hated any "knowledge" that was not straight from the bible. It took me into my 40s to be able to see that we learn also by studying patterns in behavior, and studying family of origin. You won't find a verse in the bible on how to locate a serial killer within a population, but a behavioral expert can narrow down the field greatly. we just need to be careful to not elevate other areas of study ovrer what the bible teaches, thats all.
The Bible also says we learn about God through creation as well as scripture (Rom 1:20). Whether that be human behavior or quantum physics. God made everything and His finger of design is revealed in all of creation. The combination of both scripture and creation reveal God.
The Bible also says we learn about God through creation as well as scripture (Rom 1:20). Whether that be human behavior or quantum physics. God made everything and His finger of design is revealed in all of creation. The combination of both scripture and creation reveal God.
We miss out on much if we only look to scripture for understanding God (and ourselves as well).
However scripture is the ultimate acid test for truth and all of creation should be interpreted within the boundaries of scripture i.e. a correct understanding of creation will always align with scripture.
There is wisdom in many teachers my friend! God bless you in your journey!
An excellent review of what Jordan Peterson does very well through his particular psychological lens and some of the limitations of his work that we need to consider. Much appreciated.
I watched this video and immediately ordered the book. Thank you, Dr. Scott, for introducing.
I appreciate JP, he's brilliant however; he often misses the spiritual point of the texts. Sometimes I think his intelligence gets in the way of belief in a spiritul sense.
in God's eyes, only intelligence is not enough.
He’s not trying to make a spiritual point. He’s looking at the texts academically.
@@tarem4264 which is fine but, it rather misses the most important point. That was my point.
1 Corinthians 1:25-26
For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called.
Always loved this passage, and I think it perfectly fits what you’re referring to with Peterson!
Also reminds me of a song my mother used to play called: “Let Mercy Lead” by Rich Mullins!
@Ej2Savage I love the late Rich Mullins! Best Apostles Creed ever!
People mistakenly correlate Jordan’s word salad talent with high IQ. Yes he’s a smart man but more so on the clever side as opposed to the wise side. Jordan’s train of thought confuses the reader. Highly intelligent people do not sound confusing. When someone speaks TRUTH it’s not confusing.
I used to think higher of Jordan Peterson, but no longer listen to him. I cannot stand his tap dancing around his belief in a literal Jesus Christ, but at the same time he'll wear a tailored suit with Christian iconography all over it. I think people need to be careful of religiosity that's on the precipice of Christianity without putting trust in Jesus Christ
Agreed. The line between cultural Christianity and true Christianity has continually gotten blurred - even in this video's conversation... when they referred to non-Christian social warriars as the pharisees. The pharisees were people who had studied Torah, believed it, but missed the point - much like Peterson and other people in cultural Christianity - not the "them" who don't believe in God in the first place.
I like JP a lot and have learned a lot from him. With regard to his handling of scripture... He has some fascinating insights which are often but not always valid. But he seems to miss the main point altogether, that Jesus Christ is literally God and came save us from our sin by His death on the cross. I think unless he's saved he'll go down in church history as a heretic. Pray for him.
@sean, mentioning the Philippines instead of saying Philistines could mean that you need to pray for my country, the Philippines. You've been there and know more about our culture. So, do continue to pray for us, as we do our share of spreading the gospel everywhere .
God bless your ministry!
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This was amazing and very respectful (which is what I love about Sean!) Many have come to faith in Jesus through JP's work. It opens the door to Christianity in a way that connects with a different type of listener. I heard him say that he believed that this book would end new atheism once and for all. The tide is turning for many outspoken atheists. I listened to a conversation between an agnostic and a once a very outspoken atheist. At the end of the interview this is what was said: Agnostic: "so what word or words of wisdom do you want to leave our listeners with?" Atheist: "go to church."
I haven't read the book yet but I think Peterson's general approach is for those who need to want Christianity to be true before they can grapple with whether or not it is historically true.
Some people won't be swayed by people who unquestioningly believe it as the literal truth, they need to see someone struggle with it and work through it in the way Dr Peterson does.
Getting bk for Xmas.Saw him in Belfast earlier this year 10,000 mostly young men on a Sunday night!!
Love this format
Jordan B Peterson is the the closest thing to modern day saint. Saint Peterson is the saint of discarded bastards and forgotten heros. The man is honestly a hero at least to me. He had helped me become a better father, husband, and man. Just hearing him speak has helped me find a relationship with god, his understand myself site helped my marriage, and i still learn ways to improve my life daily. Ive been in war, ive been homeless, helpless, and so deep in hell that i thought id die there doomed to suffer it for eternity. Im not 100% out of my shitstorm that i let my life get to, but he help me orient my life in a forward moving direction that is making life better daily. He succeeded in helping so many of us who's fathers left us to the wolves and whom our mothers tried to devour. Uncle sam tought me to kill, dad tought me to hate, mom tought me to love, but St. Peterson tought me to live for someone other than myself and to see god in all things good and bad, and how to aim for goals bigger than selfish immediate gratitude for the future i can make for my kids. Say what u want about him, ill always believe that god made him to help us. Canada doesn't deserve him if thats how they treated him, Americans need him and i and many others would die to keep him. He is saving the world one bastard at a time, i speak from experience.
@@squidbert7225 Thank you!! So well put from a personal perspective of how Dr. Peterson helps you!! You’re doing a GREAT job!! Keep moving forward & aiming high!! God Bless you!! BTW: I believe Dr. Peterson & Tammy moved to the US!! Arizona, Tennessee, Florida I’m not sure where, but I think the November elections helped him believe that we’re serious in the US about keeping our God given rights of Free speech & more!! I’m happy about that too!! I don’t plan on giving up my Ruger SR9 anytime soon!! 🙏🏼🌈❤️🕊🐾
I have been saved for over 3 years now, and I still wrestle with a lot of things. I am tryi g to read this book currently, but it is NOT an easy read. In that, I mean it's very dense and not at all dumbed down. I'm not saying it's not a great book because it is. Anyhow, thanks for the review. I just now found your channel for the first time and subbed immediately after watching. I need more good Christian content in my life.
Dr Peterson speaks and writes on a very high level and he’s very philosophical. I have a hard time following him sometimes.
Mike Winger has great biblical content.
I'm 22 min in and can't wait to buy the book!
Love that you didn't edit out the ringing of the phone 😂....and starting over!
What a magnificent man and that God gave him such a talent and extraordinary mind!!
I personally think he deeply loves God and is a follower of Jesus.....there is reasoning behind not making it "public" the people around him know
Thank you for this discussion
Love in Christ from South Africa 🇿🇦
Even before you said something, I was thinking, "It would be GREAT to see a conversation between Sean and Dr. Peterson!" I think you would do a great job not only being fair to Peterson's perspective in the discussion, but I feel you would be a great person to challenge him where applicable. I, like you, believe Peterson holds to more of a pragmatic view of truth. And I'm not sure if it is even possible to be "saved" with that view.
Keep on wrestling, Jordan, and don't forget that you must surrender at last!
You tell him, and pat yourself on the back for your superior intellect.
Thank you, gentlemen!! You were very respectful of Dr. Peterson’s work. I wonder if, in the 500+ pages that were taken out of his book, some of your questions were answered. I have heard him talk about the hyperbolic connections in the Bible. And that the more he read it, the more connections he saw. I do believe that Dr. Peterson is a modern day Israel & doing his best to wrestle with God!!
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Sean is always extremely winsome. I got to spend time with his Dad years and years ago, they are such wonderful people. The whole family, such great gifts and they share them beautifully.
A few years ago Dr. Peterson interviewed Dr. Vishal Mangalwadi who wrote "The Book that Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization ". It appears this book inspired him write his tome.
Book sounds interesting. Hearing the title, it reminded me of Jacob wrestling with the Angel of the Lord. He wouldn't let him go until he blessed him. Though Jacob had a limp, he got his blessing!
Thank you for sharing.
We love you too🇵🇭
I appreciate your analysis and agree. Peterson has strengths and weaknesses.
Peterson's teaching method is effective, even if his existentialism is not what I believe. He has some good elements and good methods. We can glean from him without endorsing everything about him. I hope that he is on a path from pragmatism to existentialism, and eventually to see the Bible's message as objective, absolute truth. That is, where he is, is better than where he was. I pray he is moving closer.
Thank you for the good work!
Great show. Don't worry about a petty phone ringing. That is striving for perfection and there is no need for that. I prefer those errors and the practicing of grace being seen on screen for others to see other practice in action.
if you do not understand his first book, the what he is writing may be a surprise. If you understanding what he is writing. It is not surprise. He is always looking for the meta narrative. Not, if it is historical true. But what is true about the stories that are true. What can we learn from them.
Why don't you both ask him for a interview, i think he may say yes.
Thank you for providing insight on this book. God is moving and drawing people to Him. I appreciate Jordan’s vulnerable introspection, and then sharing the “Truth” he finds in God’s Word and how it applies to the World in the 21st century. Again thank you!
Question for those who have the hardcover edition - does it have stitched binding? I love a high quality book. There's also two publishers - Vermilion and Portfolio who have the hardcover version...
Peterson is no longer a Canadian, right? He lives in Florida.But there is evidence that he also lives in Arizona. Actually he can live wherever he wishes as he is now a multi-millionaire. He lost his license in Canada but it no longer can be discussed as or considered to be a "loss" ...his videos of class lectures when he was a Professor in Canada are probably still on UA-cam, they are fascinating! He is NOT in any way racist, nor against women.
2:17 He still has his license, he “needs” to take a “reeducation” class in order to continue with the university, and all the attention and controversy makes it impossible to effectively practice as a phycologist currently. The university he launched pretty much takes his skills and puts them together on his own terms.
I listen to Peterson often, so when you said that it’s long and you often wondered “what is he saying”….well, that’s Peterson. I’d love to see you interview him but I think he could be a very frustrating or exasperating interview because he can run off on these tangents. That is usually because he is following rabbit trails and often will loop it back around, but boy as a listener, you have to work to keep up. But here’s the thing…whether Christian leaders like you guys like it or not, he is one of the top people in the world with the microphone. Meaning, he has a HUGE following and through him, that huge following is actually considering the Bible and our God in ways that haven’t been done since Billy Graham in his heyday of the 50s-60s.
Some of Pertersons names for God or, ideas of truth are also used in the new age ideas of a god or "higher power" and ideas of good and evil especially in regard to works for salvation so that needs to be clairified, But he does have some incredible insights into the story's of the Bible.
Three times as long?? Gosh, would LOVE the unabridged version of this book!
Great video now I need to read the book
Thanks for the review of the book. JP says some very interesting things, but he uses way too many words to say them for me. This abridged version through their review summed it up nicely. I think the crux for JP is, "Could I surrender my life to this God of the Bible?" I pray he gets there some day.
He´s yet to understand the importance of grace, the fact that we all fall short and that we can´t obey God on our own strength. As usual, he is searching for archetypes more than searching for a savior. He´s a moralist that can see many problems in our society but it´s still blind the core problem and the real solution.
Yes - very well put!
Great discussion on a great book.
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Well done!
I love Jordan Petersons' work. Great review on the book.
Are those Talbot shirts special edition or something? I can’t find them anywhere! I’m graduating next Fall and I’d love to get one of those.
💥 i am extremely excited to see what the Lord has in store for Our Beloved Dr Peterson.
For now His journey is just beginning.
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I wonder what details the editors excluded, that should have been included.
Love, the fact, you did not edit the phone ringing in the middle of the taping of this to stop you!
Congratulations. Great discussion.Bultmannesque.Passionate without being fundamentalist!
You dont need all those stories to be historically true to live how God wants you to live. JP makes the Bible more practical than Christians do
I think JP is like John the Baptist. He is pointing the way to Christ, to people who would never pay attention.
Also for David and Goliath, the text goes out of its way to make Goliath the Serpent: his armor is scaled, the bronze of his items has the same root as serpent in Gen 3, David fights him to stop "shame". How does the battle go? The messiah in the story removes the garments and crushes the head of the serpent... So there's that then
38:39 I would question that this is the first time this occurs. The Egyptians surely had a hierarchy of governance and administration in their empire, and Moses was part of it.
Petersen said on EWTN that there is a second book coming out of the stuff that was cut out by the editing. I believe this will be a 2 book set. Pax Christi, Peter.
SEAN!!!! INVITE DR. PETERSON ON YOUR PODCAST!!!! Peterson lives in Arizona now, I believe. PLEASE!! 🙏🏼🌈❤️🕊🐾
Interestingly, rabbis often teach that what Christians know as the “still, small voice” Elijah heard was actually the sound of pure silence.
The founding fathers of our country cited directly from the bible well over a thousand times during the time they created the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The Library of Congress contains the documentation of this fact
Belief is not as simple as we think. None of us believe we're immortal on this earth. But we sure live like it.
Thank you gentlemen for your sound and righteous exegesis and your analysis of Jordan's work. I like Jordan Peterson so very much. He's a deeply real and compassionate man and I want him to confess Jesus without his intellectual lenses on. That is Jordon's flaw in reading and interpreting scripture. His intellectual lenses cause a misunderstanding of important pericopes of the Old Testament texts in particular. I'm always so sad when he makes these human errors because I think were it not for his beautiful intellect, he would humble himself and believe.
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A Christian has a personal relationship with God. What Jordan "admits" in public has no bearing to his belief as he has not DENIED God. God works his will through fallible men. The fact that a public testimony of faith is a massive topic of interest certainly serves and keeps Christianity in the public interest. I believe that God has called Jordan to play a part of the "Holy Spirit."
On several podcasts, people have invited Jordan to make a commitment to Christ. He has always found ways to change the topic.
If he was a Christian, I don't think he would switch to another topic so quickly.
Or he believes in Christ's teaching to pray in private.
His own daughter who is a Christian has said he isn't but is closer than he used to be. Based on what he has said in the past I'd call him a deist more than anything else.
I'm telling you, if you want amazing insights on the Bible and views/theories you never heard before, check out Jordan Petersons round table reviews of Exodus or The Gospels. He has multiple people present from Historians, Artist, Rabbis, Priest, and writers. The go through the topic verse by verse and all give their insights with Peterson being like a director. Its long format, but it WILL change how you look at the Bible in a very good way.
On daughter’s podcast he said he is moving to U.S.
Fantastic talk. Glad you left in the phone call interruption…yeah I can tell that was a bit annoying, but hey we’re all human.
Philippines 3. Ha so great, glad you left that in too. Been there done that.
Love ya Sean, and I also really admire and respect Dr Peterson. Granted, he’s not a Christian, but he’s definitely taking strong strides to learn and promote the Bible. Praying for him to become a brother in Christ. God bless
Thanks Erik. So glad it was helpful! Funny enough, people seem to appreciate leaving in the phone interruption!
Love your thoughts and the video, but I think I disagree with the idea that there aren’t universally applicable principles beyond the specific intents of the biblical author which the Holy Spirit can open up to people. The meaning and usefulness of Scripture not limited to the intent of the human authors.
One question :
Does Jordan's book point to Christ as Lord of all?
Yes, we would see Jesus actually walk out of the tomb if there had been a camera set up there.
Because the Bible says they found the stone had been rolled away.
On the belief question, Peterson says he lives his life "as though God exists".
He's on a journey and enough people have been praying for him for years.
Love this.
Many Christians don't understand that Peterson is already a believer, he questions those who say and not do. So he answers "I act as if there is a God" and when pushed by Rich (the singer) he said he gave his life to Christ long time ago.
He didn’t actually say that though, in the sense that any Christian would recognize a confession of faith. Peterson famously waffles on whether or not he is genuinely a Christian.
I’m sorry, but if you can’t say “yes” to that, and “Jesus is my Lord and saviour”, than I can’t believe you are saved.
God says confess with your mouth, that IS an “act”. So if Peterson really did “act as if” he believed, than he would follow scripture, and confess it freely, and I would argue anyone genuinely saved is eager to confess it, not just willing to.
His own daughter who is a Christian said he isn't but he's closer than he used to be. Based on what he often says he's more a deist than anything else.
he believes in the truths of Christianity and may believe in Christ as Lord but as a leader the ritual matters to show others how God desires to be worshiped. It's not enough to believe you need to be a light to the world.
@@brando3342being afraid to profess Christ as the one true God is not looked upon nicely by our God.
I don't think so. Faith true faith doesn't appear when he's pushed. You can't choose God in many ways this is evidence of that. A deist.
Moses wandering in the Desert with his Peoples sounds like a form of Pergatory to get rid of the left-over Slavery Mentality.
I think the mention of Israel's need to purge themselves of what they were holding on to from the Egyptians is spot on, and I think Joshua 5:9 says so! The Lord says that at the circumcision of the Israelites at Gibeath Haaraloth, he removed the Egyptians' disgrace from them..
Just to pick one point amongst many, to disagree with Sean on, I'll take 43:33, Abraham, the father of the faithful. The one whose life absolutely models our walk in faith that Christ is in us, i.e., union. The exact point Jesus made to the rich young ruler that foxes have dens and birds have nests but the son of man has no where to lay his head and that includes those who accept their life in Christ and Christ in them. Our faith is not in our dens and nests but in him that his character is in us and that we can live in it and out of it as he brings us to the fullness of himself. We will make mistakes along the way, but are never on our own. I have permission to live out of what has already been given me, i.e., the life of Christ. Faith is to trust the process.
Jordan is such an actor of life and so dramtic life actor.
@ the 48 min mark… AMEN SEAN!
This conversation should be titled "We who wrestle with Jordan Peterson".
20:26 Elijah, Elisha - they are two different prophets. Don't mix them up. The prophet who dealt with King Ahab and the Baal priests was Elijah (1 Kings 18).
If you read "Maps of Meaning" and the "History of Consciousness" by Erich Neumann this new book makes more sense.
21:22 get it together, editor!
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God downloaded to Einstein the theory of relativity. First God gave Einstein the gifts he needed to understand relativity. He needed learning and focus--not being interested in most worldly matters. Now Einstein tries to explain this to ordinary people without gifts, learning or other interests. That's what Jordan Peterson is trying to do. With the understanding God has given him, he is trying to give to us who are not geniuses or psychologists. He's opening a crack and it's up to the individual then to realize there really is a God. Before we criticize Jordan I think we should take a look at ourselves and understand that he is courageous enough to step out by faith into forbidden territory to approach the normal person and invited him to follow him in finding their own way once given some primitive tools. Yes, primitive because he goes all the way back to Cain and Abel. And nothing has changed. And that's what he's saying. Jordan is giving us sparklers of brilliance. He's handing you sparklers to light in the night and be awed
at the small dynamic force you are holding in your hand. The more sparklers you get the more light you will have. The source of these sparklers is the Bible which is the wondrous and fearful truth.
I know some Christians insist on faith alone, but faith without works that align with the Gospel is dead. 49:00 Jesus alone saved us but it is by our works, and the intentions in our heart behind those works, that prove if our faith is real or not. It's a fine distinction but immensely important. Not everyone that says "Lord! Lord! will be welcomed into Heaven.
Jordan Peterson and his wife Tammy were both VERY close to death at the same time from different causes. Tammy’s close friend who is Catholic prayed for their healing. Tammy is now a Catholic. I think Jordan is close to joining Tammy if he hasn’t already.
The other disconnect with Peterson is that his approach seams to see the men who penned it as the authors and not God Almighty as THEE Author.