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  • @63mckenzie
    @63mckenzie Рік тому +1214

    Who needs archaeologists and historians when you have someone's grandmother?

    • @wolfgangkranek376
      @wolfgangkranek376 Рік тому +121

      My grandmother told me, that Shaka Zulu was a white guy from the Netherlands.
      She also warned me of people who will tell me otherwise.

    • @63mckenzie
      @63mckenzie Рік тому +29

      @@wolfgangkranek376 Grandmothers are always right.

    • @interstellaroverdrive3658
      @interstellaroverdrive3658 Рік тому +9

      ​@@wolfgangkranek376 I'm going to have to steal that one! 😂😂😂

    • @robintaberner
      @robintaberner Рік тому

      Correct

    • @tekay44
      @tekay44 Рік тому +7

      @@63mckenzie mine told me i would go blind, she was wrong, although i do need glasses.

  • @treeorwh2
    @treeorwh2 Рік тому +765

    I am surprised that Cleopatra wasn’t shown as a hairless queen, in an open marriage with black Julius Ceasar who goes around publicly slapping other politicians.

    • @ethanchoi7036
      @ethanchoi7036 Рік тому +52

      black Julius Caesar slaps black Brutus, and that is why Brutus stabs Caesar

    • @kaj7135
      @kaj7135 Рік тому +41

      @@ethanchoi7036 black people disrespecting and killing each other? That’s unusual.

    • @vickils9571
      @vickils9571 Рік тому +2

      🤣

    • @JohnnyWalker-kq7ds
      @JohnnyWalker-kq7ds Рік тому

      Would you be surprised i Arab and Caucasian people didn't invade Egypt it would still be black people running that country? The current modern Egyptians didn't build a damn thing after their Arab ancestors conquered ancient AFTER the Europeans vacated ancient Egypt. You can't build a dynasty when it was built before you arrived..! Nowadays it's American tax dollars who keeps modern Egyptians afloat. But you didn't know that right?

    • @lordnastrond1
      @lordnastrond1 Рік тому +7

      The irony here is that Cleopatra likely WAS bald as the Egyptians considered body hair unclear and everyone, men, women and children shaved ALL body hair to prevent disease and wore wigs for special occasions.

  • @melaniesmith1313
    @melaniesmith1313 Рік тому +300

    The BBC had Ann Boleyn and others portrayed by black actors. It is ridiculous and insulting to everybody.

    • @1320crusier
      @1320crusier Рік тому +20

      People dont think cultural marxism be like it is, but it do.

    • @elg7365
      @elg7365 Рік тому +11

      ​@@1320crusier don't listen to peterson. Post modernism has nothing to do with Marxism. Read for yourself

    • @offworlder1
      @offworlder1 Рік тому +4

      That is the one my mother did a double take on, and my girlfriend looked very confused for a good 30 seconds when they saw the advertisement on tv for that one.

    • @northernpaladin66
      @northernpaladin66 Рік тому +6

      ​@@matthewcarter9790 not really, Anne Boleyn is an historical figure

    • @readmedotexe
      @readmedotexe Рік тому +5

      @@elg7365 There is a natural affinity between the two

  • @CarrionCrow993
    @CarrionCrow993 Рік тому +1237

    On behalf on the United Kingdom, I would like to wish the Egyptian Lawyer the best of luck with his upcoming case against Netflix.

    • @marclacey2263
      @marclacey2263 Рік тому +26

      Seconded.

    • @whatever1661
      @whatever1661 Рік тому +56

      on behalf of your arch enemy Germany i am with you

    • @ontheslide2339
      @ontheslide2339 Рік тому

      ​@@whatever1661
      you're not our enemy..
      never were..
      I guess saxon blood just makes you fight with your family too... 😉

    • @hereisjon905
      @hereisjon905 Рік тому +69

      ​@@whatever1661that would be France, but I see your point

    • @Alex-qe1ir
      @Alex-qe1ir Рік тому +24

      @(HereisJon) To be fair to What Ever, virtually any country could claim to be the arch enemy of the UK (particularly England) and have reasonable historical evidence to back it up 😆. Germany are certainly among the front runners! (You ain't wrong about the French though)

  • @donalddeluxe6407
    @donalddeluxe6407 Рік тому +348

    What pisses me off is that there are insane black historical figures in history that haven’t had the spotlight:
    Yasuke - an African slave who became a bodyguard and trainer for a samurai warlord in feudal Japan.
    Robert small - an American slave who freed himself and stole a confederate warship to escape and became the captain of that very stolen ship against confederate warships in the American civil war
    William Harvey carney - another civil war hero who was the first black union soldier to win the Medal of Honor.

    • @Alex-qe1ir
      @Alex-qe1ir Рік тому +31

      Another fascinating historical figure is queen Ranavalona I of Madagascar, 1778-1861. Her rule was not without it's flaws (largely seen as a tyrant at best in Europe), but if they wanted to make a documentary about black African queens who opposed European culture, hers could be a compelling story to tell.

    • @matthewcoombs3282
      @matthewcoombs3282 Рік тому +17

      I wonder how many people know one of the Roman Governors of Londinium (ancient London) in ancient Britain was a Roman Citizen of African origin - who most likely had white British slaves. Race was not recognised in Ancient Rome and race is a `19th Century invention.

    • @preacherman85379
      @preacherman85379 Рік тому +7

      LT Archer, ace for the Red Tails

    • @frankieb9444
      @frankieb9444 Рік тому +5

      ​@preacherman85379 We need more stories highlighting specific service members. As a Filipino, we have a great view of the US military but the torn perspective of black, Japanese American and Native American soldiers during WWII is very interesting.

    • @sharkh20
      @sharkh20 Рік тому

      One problem with your thinking vs Hollywood. Those are black men, not women. Black men are only allowed if they are gay or are in dresses. Just like Hollywood 60 years ago.

  • @TheKrazy987
    @TheKrazy987 Рік тому +215

    My great grandmother told me no matter what history teachers say Harriet tubman was white

    • @bigal8752
      @bigal8752 Рік тому +9

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @nhmooytis7058
      @nhmooytis7058 Рік тому +25

      TUBMAN is not PC it was Tubperson.

    • @m.c.martin
      @m.c.martin Рік тому +9

      No matter what people believe, Mansa Musa was White!

    • @TheKrazy987
      @TheKrazy987 Рік тому +2

      @@m.c.martin whiter than snow

    • @ontheslide2339
      @ontheslide2339 Рік тому +4

      ​@@m.c.martin
      he had tens of thousands of slaves... we should probably stay clear of him.. 😂

  • @mrawesome5495
    @mrawesome5495 Рік тому +475

    Weird to see Drinker without glasses. Will Smith's 'wife' was able to piss off a whole country with this crap. Pretty impressive.

    • @WanderingHusk
      @WanderingHusk Рік тому +40

      Just imagine what it's like living with it. No wonder he's a wreck. The guy is like one of those people that was kidnapped as a kid and held in a basement for thirty years.

    • @crazyralph6386
      @crazyralph6386 Рік тому +24

      She’s straight up evil

    • @shadowarez1337
      @shadowarez1337 Рік тому +17

      Best line iv heard why she did this "my Grandma said Cleopatra was Black" celebs should not be allowed to dictate history according to there view's especially when you can see the direction it's going to take 🤦‍♂️🤬
      Let the whole of Egypt sue her for defamation that would be better then anything she could write off have written on her behalf 🤣

    • @TheEvertw
      @TheEvertw Рік тому +15

      You mean "without a glass"?

    • @jculver1674
      @jculver1674 Рік тому +13

      He actually has really nice eyes. #nohomo

  • @crazyralph6386
    @crazyralph6386 Рік тому +155

    That woman talking about her grandma holding the key to Cleopatras real race, despite the fact that she probably never even left her home county in her lifetime, had me in stitches 😂

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Рік тому +8

      If they had just told it as though it was one grandma’s vision of Cleopatra, sort of a fantasy retelling from the ideal of a naive country woman, that could have been beautiful in its own way.
      But they have to rewrite history. It is their will that is supreme.

    • @TheWefikus
      @TheWefikus Рік тому

      African Americans forget that no matter how much they try, they are just as arrogant and ego centric as their white American compatriots.

    • @overtherenowaitthere
      @overtherenowaitthere Рік тому +1

      @@inthefade that actually could've been brilliant if they did it the right way, the fantasy of a young black girl hearing it from her own grandmother, and then the ending could be the realization for the young girl that cleopatra didn't look like what her grandma told her with the conceit being "hey, cleopatra was a cool female leader, but look at all these actual ethnically african women leaders that you never learn about in a typical american school" then those could be glimpses into season 2,3,4 and shits

    • @ShaggyRogers1
      @ShaggyRogers1 Рік тому

      @@overtherenowaitthere If Cleopatra went "Princess Bride" and had the story being told from a black narrator's perspective to their black grandchild, the inconsistencies could have easily been explained. They could have even had the final episode being the child looking it up on their own time in the library, and then just have there be a slideshow montage of them seeing how things actually looked etc. They could have made it a touching story about being connected with the past, and a reminder that figures in history are typically a lot different than what we conjure in our minds. Instead, they just tried to culturally appropriate Egyptian culture, because apparently the Nubian dynasty was too unheard of in order to get clickbait.

    • @waynehewett4017
      @waynehewett4017 Рік тому +2

      The grandmar probably hasn't even left her house in 20 years and would only get her knowledge of Egypt through media and books yet calls herself an expert

  • @johndoe-hr6vp
    @johndoe-hr6vp Рік тому +146

    My grandmother told me that Ghengis Khan was Scotch-Irish and surrounded by radioactive dirt from Nevada, and no one can convince me otherwise 😂

    • @tonyfriendly4409
      @tonyfriendly4409 Рік тому +4

      That took me a second lol

    • @kamukameh
      @kamukameh Рік тому +2

      In fact, "Ghengis Khan" was a song that won the European Song Contest :D

    • @hieunguyenrileygekko
      @hieunguyenrileygekko Рік тому +2

      Khan was also a die hard Vietnam war supporter

    • @danielc9312
      @danielc9312 Рік тому

      ​@@tonyfriendly4409I still think most won't get the reference

  • @williamthalman2708
    @williamthalman2708 Рік тому +454

    You know what was a great historical fiction featuring non white history?
    Apocalypto.
    Compelling characters. Great story. Proof that theres a market for different views without brow beating any particular demographic.

    • @nhmooytis7058
      @nhmooytis7058 Рік тому

      Yes but the left hates Mel!

    • @VincitOmniaVeritas7
      @VincitOmniaVeritas7 Рік тому +20

      Apocalypo was brutal and really spun the trope of “the good savage”.

    • @nhmooytis7058
      @nhmooytis7058 Рік тому

      @@VincitOmniaVeritas7 the ‘indigenous’ in many parts of the world practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism and engaged in war, torture and slavery pre arrival of the melanin deficient,but saying so blows up the lib narrative.

    • @nhmooytis7058
      @nhmooytis7058 Рік тому +74

      @@VincitOmniaVeritas7 “Archaeological sites indicate that the Mayans used several methods for sacrifice such as "decapitation, heart excision, dismemberment, hanging, disembowelment, skin flaying, skull splitting and burning.” Fun buncha guys eh 😂. Of course the Spanish Inquisition was no party, but nobody expected them....

    • @annawilliams2336
      @annawilliams2336 Рік тому +8

      Amazing film.

  • @blueshattrick
    @blueshattrick Рік тому +1212

    Having to resort to a race swap in just your 2ND SEASON of "Famous Black Women throughout History" is a pretty stunning admission that you couldn't think of *any* worthy individuals to feature...

    • @sweetie4915
      @sweetie4915 Рік тому +34

      Funny that, yes, totally agree.

    • @chrissymc886
      @chrissymc886 Рік тому +114

      There are plenty but sadly not famous enough to grab viewers so they decided to hijack a famous Greek/Macedonian.

    • @frankgesuele6298
      @frankgesuele6298 Рік тому +76

      Which just shows Jada didn't do her home work.

    • @TheSultan1470
      @TheSultan1470 Рік тому +7

      Factual comment.

    • @chrissymc886
      @chrissymc886 Рік тому +105

      Weird how the Queen of Kush, the kingdom to the southern region of Egypt, took on the Romans twice and didn't lose. She would have been a great candidate.

  • @richardshort3914
    @richardshort3914 Рік тому +201

    I am in Canada and have a work colleague from Egypt.
    To say he is appalled by this is a an understatement.
    I have heightened respect for the Egyptian people for not allowing their heritage to be degraded.

    • @turner1291
      @turner1291 Рік тому +3

      Cleopatra was Greek, not Egyptian

    • @danculbert6349
      @danculbert6349 Рік тому

      He was appalled? Why? Hamilton has the founding fathers of the US dancing and rapping, Black Adder has historical figures being comedic joke versions of themselves, there's even a movie where Abe Lincoln fights vampires. What's their to be appalled about?

    • @antonpayne919
      @antonpayne919 Рік тому +3

      @@danculbert6349its labeled as a documentary, thats the issue. everyone knows that the movie about lincoln killing vampires is fiction (or is it? 🤔) and it does no attempt to tell its audience otherwise. same with the other examples you mentioned

    • @danculbert6349
      @danculbert6349 Рік тому

      @@antonpayne919 docuDRAMA* Also, Cleopatra was played far more famously in 1963 by ELIZABETH TAYLOR, and no one back then gave a shit that they had British-American white woman playing an olive skinned greek woman. People these days really are too sensitive. Critical Drinker is the biggest snowflake on UA-cam

    • @concernedcitizen5943
      @concernedcitizen5943 Рік тому +1

      Black people have contributed so little to humanity that the modern ones need to turn to race swapping and creating fictional societies like Wakanda.

  • @seankinsellasean
    @seankinsellasean Рік тому +129

    shouldn't it be offensive to black women that they chose a white historical figure to represent them..

    • @fizeekpoaster
      @fizeekpoaster Рік тому +5

      Yes... but many believe Cleopatra was black...

    • @jackmesrel4933
      @jackmesrel4933 Рік тому

      ​@@fizeekpoaster Goes to show how bloody ignorant most people are

    • @oldgoat142
      @oldgoat142 Рік тому +20

      @@fizeekpoaster Because they're spoon-fed dips.

    • @goji059
      @goji059 Рік тому

      @@fizeekpoaster can't fix stupid is the saying

    • @DefiantSix
      @DefiantSix Рік тому

      How many of the past dozen years has the "woman" of the year been a dude in a dress, now?

  • @fabiopaolobarbieri2286
    @fabiopaolobarbieri2286 Рік тому +135

    Incidentally, it's not just Egyptians and Greeks who are furious about the representation of their country and history. I have literally never heard anyone as angry as the Italian critics who gave their view of Klayoputtrah's "view", so to speak, of Caesar, Cicero and Rome. Professional critics were screaming with rage.

    • @valeriofriuli3069
      @valeriofriuli3069 Рік тому +9

      If you have links, I'd be genuinely interested.

    • @Randomcorpse
      @Randomcorpse Рік тому

      When you get things so wrong you even enrage the people who wiped out the people who wiped out the people who wiped out the romans in Italy, surely you must know you've done something wrong with your "documentary"

    • @jesterday2222
      @jesterday2222 Рік тому +1

      Anyone who loves & values history and ancestry is pissed off by this and all the other degradation of Western history they are trying to pull.

    • @rises889
      @rises889 Рік тому +2

      they should sue also!!! that Marc Anthony and Caesar..geez..

    • @HansWurst1569
      @HansWurst1569 Рік тому +1

      I mean they made Achilles black in that one netflix show too.

  • @mjbull5156
    @mjbull5156 Рік тому +96

    There is also the problem that Cleopatra's story is not really the girl boss one they want. She was essentially a puppet of Rome, as Julius Caesar helped put her on the throne because he did not not have the time to annex Egypt as a province at the time.

    • @AndrewTSq
      @AndrewTSq Рік тому +19

      well, she had slaves also. and she was very interested in poison and venoms, and tried them on her slaves to see the effect.

    • @stephenp7708
      @stephenp7708 Рік тому +9

      Historical context has no place within this discussion!

    • @RB-tl8cf
      @RB-tl8cf Рік тому +6

      Egypt was already Roman territory. They couldn’t make up their minds who to cheer for in the civil war.

    • @HerculesBallsInc
      @HerculesBallsInc Рік тому +1

      She married her 12-year-old brother. She was convinced she was a god. She destroyed the wealth of kingdoms for a larf. There's lots about Cleo that's completely messed up if you actually look at the details.

    • @diahreea2022
      @diahreea2022 Рік тому +2

      Plus she committed finish self living. Not very girl boss of her

  • @RJALEXANDER777
    @RJALEXANDER777 Рік тому +214

    Funny thing is that Cleopatra is ethnically Greek. She's of the Ptolemaic Dynasty, a woman of Macedonian descent who's family acquired power in Egypt as a result of Alexander's conquests. It's a great irony that Cleopatra, who Netflix dressed up as this triumphant black queen, is really one of the tyrannical colonisers that their movement claims to despise so vehemently.
    So this whole show is another own goal just like that film The Woman Queen was (depicting another triumphant, forward-thinking black queen... from a dynasty who were in truth brutal, tyrannical slave-traders. Though they did at least get the skin-colour right that time).

    • @m.c.martin
      @m.c.martin Рік тому

      I’ve pointed that out to people who say she was black and that the Greeks were invaders 😂 their stupidity is massively hilarious

    • @JoyoSnooze
      @JoyoSnooze Рік тому +4

      Based comment.

    • @richardspanner5923
      @richardspanner5923 Рік тому +8

      _As a wise man once said : _*_"Truth is out of style'._*

    • @Mr.McWatson
      @Mr.McWatson Рік тому +1

      She was only half macedonian, wasn't she? I had the understanding her lineage was half egyptian due to political marriages

    • @JonathanHayes-uz3ee
      @JonathanHayes-uz3ee Рік тому

      they hate us cause they aint us

  • @Ze0do0Gas
    @Ze0do0Gas Рік тому +106

    The Critical Drinker has eyes? I thought he had been born with sunglasses just like Johnny Bravo

    • @lance134679
      @lance134679 Рік тому +7

      I was just about to comment the same thing, except the Johnny Bravo part. 😄

    • @HerculesBallsInc
      @HerculesBallsInc Рік тому +6

      Don't panic! It's all done with CGI.

    • @brady1692
      @brady1692 Рік тому

      Alcohol can mess with how your eyes work making them sensitive to light obviously during his sober hours there's no need 😅

  • @fireironthesecond2909
    @fireironthesecond2909 Рік тому +55

    “I remember my grandmother said I don’t care what they tell you: The Drinker was always Welsh.”

    • @darthgamer9861
      @darthgamer9861 Рік тому +8

      “My grandma always said. I dont care what they told you, the Drinker was always sober”

  • @joelyons886
    @joelyons886 Рік тому +93

    I am so looking forward to seeing the Disney documentary on Napoleon Bonaparte staring Dwayne Johnson in the leading role 😂

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Рік тому +2

      That just might work!
      I want The Rock doing Bill and Ted’s take on Napoleon.

    • @joelyons886
      @joelyons886 Рік тому +5

      @@inthefade 🤣 apparently George Washington is to be played by Morgan Freeman

    • @kevw333
      @kevw333 Рік тому +3

      Kevin hart, surely.

    • @joelyons886
      @joelyons886 Рік тому +3

      @@kevw333 wasn’t available 😂

    • @Mister_Clean
      @Mister_Clean Рік тому +1

      That might actually be a great comedy skit
      But would be absolutely taken as a joke as a historical fiction

  • @KelliRocks
    @KelliRocks Рік тому +144

    They didn't portray Cleopatra as African, they portrayed her as a black American. Completely different cultures.

    • @HerculesBallsInc
      @HerculesBallsInc Рік тому +28

      She was a GIRLBOSS who swam across the Atlantic and single-handedly defeated the entire armies of Genghis Khan so he was forced to retreat to his base on the dark side of the Moon! So historical!

    • @Trebor74
      @Trebor74 Рік тому +7

      Attila the hun shat himself

    • @Wishmaster787
      @Wishmaster787 Рік тому +3

      Black American 1800 years before the USA existed.

    • @ShaggyRogers1
      @ShaggyRogers1 Рік тому

      @@Wishmaster787 Hence the problem with the vast majority of US made content about the African people(s). They always write it from the perspective and viewpoint of a black american, even when talking about issues and events that pre-date the US and/or have literally no connection to the US.
      It is the same reason why black Americans go to places like Japan and act like the people there are super racist against black people, while being completely ignorant of the fact that white people are discriminated against heavily more so. At least being a black tourist in Asia gives the benefit of TONS of people wanting to interact and observe the likely only black person that they've seen in person before. Meanwhile the white person next to them is dismissed as being just another greedy white determined to extract everything they can.

    • @BigUriel
      @BigUriel Рік тому +9

      It's a common mindset in US culture that people who have ancestors from a certain country or culture seem to think they themselves are still part of that culture even through they are several generations removed.
      Black people in the USA seem to think they are "Africans" (as if "Africa" was just one homogenous place - JPS doesn't seem to realize that North Africans aren't even black), same way guys from New York whose great grandparents were from Italy like to call themselves "Italians" for example. To anyone actually from Europe or Africa all these people are very clearly American and they're just holding on to a few snippets of certain European/African cultures (ie making your grandmother's home made bolognese recipe doesn't make you Italian, especially when you can't even pronounce "bolognese" properly).

  • @pablo81778
    @pablo81778 Рік тому +24

    Didn't realize it was suppose to be passed as an actual, factual documentary until last week. WOW. Inexplicable. No wonder the Egyptians are taking them to court.

  • @petercooper456
    @petercooper456 Рік тому +39

    I’m still in awe of Hollywood’s wilful ignorance I mean I think they hit the bottom but then they break out the mining drill

  • @joesmutz9287
    @joesmutz9287 Рік тому +32

    If they want a good girlboss African leader, try Judith of Ethopia
    Who took an impovrished country, fought as the leader of a warband, was a solid diplomat, and even gets the bonus of "having been betrayed by small minded allies"
    Everything you could want from a 21st century heroine

    • @cactaceous
      @cactaceous Рік тому

      Enough of this girl boss nonsense. Most women can’t fucking cook a meal to feed themselves.

    • @rises889
      @rises889 Рік тому +7

      Hollywood is not interested in real stories ..sorry

  • @JonathanReynolds1
    @JonathanReynolds1 Рік тому +23

    Cleopatra (her actual title was Queen Cleopatra VII) was of white Greek descent. She was the last ruler of the Ptolemy Dynasty - named after Alexander the Great’s General Ptolemy (Alexander’s empire was divided between his 4 Generals after his death).

    • @frankgesuele6298
      @frankgesuele6298 Рік тому +5

      How dare you inject historical truth.

    • @need-to-know-
      @need-to-know- Рік тому

      So why Greece aren’t the ones who should be upset and suing, I wonder.

    • @phoenixdzk
      @phoenixdzk Рік тому +5

      Her name literally translates to Glory of the Fatherland in Greek! I don't know how that just flies under the radar

    • @WelcomeToDERPLAND
      @WelcomeToDERPLAND Рік тому +2

      @@need-to-know- They are upset- their government released statements against the production as well.
      Also a modern country being upset or not over something has no relation with historical fact or not- for example, some hacks made a show where they replaced a famous viking Jarl with a black woman, who obviously was a white man- yet none of the Scandinavian countries raised a fuss over it. (people did get angry about it but there was no official statement about it.)

    • @need-to-know-
      @need-to-know- Рік тому

      @@WelcomeToDERPLAND Don’t get swooshed. My point is that if she’s not even Egyptian, what grievance does Egypt possibly have claim to, over how she’s portrayed?

  • @Beaut_Beau
    @Beaut_Beau Рік тому +21

    This is my first time seeing Critical Drinker's eyes! :O

  • @boreopithecus
    @boreopithecus Рік тому +8

    The Vikings: Valhalla show had a black female character Jarl Haakon. There were no female jarls (earls), there were no black people, and Haakon is a strictly male name. On no level could this character exist.

  • @Pizzpott
    @Pizzpott Рік тому +21

    Black Cleopatra, black Anne Boleyn, black Dwarves, back Elves, black hobbits, black Aragorn, black MJ, black Human Torch, black (and gay) fairy godmother, black Annie, black Perry White, black Velma, black batwoman, black Mermaid and even a blackwashed horse in the same movie.....and the list goes on, and on, and on....all, as you rightly say, to virtue signal.

    • @pacodelaselva
      @pacodelaselva Рік тому +1

      I can imagine there could be black dwarves, I just hate Sophia Nomvete's character.

  • @keyserzoom9154
    @keyserzoom9154 Рік тому +15

    When you put feelings before facts, the burning of books is not far away.

  • @deerinheadlights100
    @deerinheadlights100 Рік тому +56

    Ann Boleyn, Joan of Arc - both real, both portrayed by black women.

  • @AndrewTSq
    @AndrewTSq Рік тому +16

    Cleopatra had slaves. She even tried different poison on them.. I guess that is not in this Netflix series.

  • @nhmooytis7058
    @nhmooytis7058 Рік тому +175

    I don’t recall asking for stories based on black history; in college where they tried to require black history I told my advisor I’d take it when the black students were required to take Irish history. My advisor backed right off 😂.

    • @bannjaxx
      @bannjaxx Рік тому

      @Phil McCrackin you really need to brush up on history, African architects were building temples and pyramids while Europeans were living in caves and mud huts, oh, wait, you probably think pyramids were built by aliens!

    • @HerculesBallsInc
      @HerculesBallsInc Рік тому +8

      @Phil McCrackin Inventions don't always go in a line like that, and many societies have little use for a wheel where they don't have clear terrain and domesticatable animals to pull things. You would know this if you were more educated than an NPC.

    • @SingleTrack66
      @SingleTrack66 Рік тому +11

      @@HerculesBallsInc nice try Herc. Are you saying that these people didn’t have the ability to clear terrain even? Or bring in cows, horses or camels from not too far away ?

    • @ZipMapp
      @ZipMapp Рік тому +9

      ​@@HerculesBallsIncTry to make sense at least. The wheel is used everywhere, there's just no way you can scale without the wheel. Think agriculture, transport, manufacture.

    • @vortukassingh999
      @vortukassingh999 Рік тому +4

      @@ZipMapp We did all thoose things here in South America without the wheel, europeans and middle easterners are so proud of something that not everyone needs that much, now about your point, both should study sub saharan and irish history, both are very important, i'm sorry if this offends you but shuting yourself down from learning because you dont like it is just stupidity.

  • @BasicShapes
    @BasicShapes Рік тому +7

    5:31 "Why is it so important Cleopatra's white?" I would say, "would you like it if I claimed Nelson Mandela was white?"

  • @TheJhtlag
    @TheJhtlag Рік тому +16

    The grandmother thing is not incidental, Cleopatra as a black woman has been a notion in the black community for a long time, my theory on this is badly wanting some sort of historical past that one can take pride in and had gotten to the point that any adverse argument would be denied as, dare I say, being white-washed. I bet Jada has believed this for a considerable amount of time already, not just a recent fabrication of hers.

    • @ShaggyRogers1
      @ShaggyRogers1 Рік тому

      It is the same as members of the black community trying to claim that black people are somehow indigenous to everywhere, and that they have claim to every location under the sun. It is literally being pushed in the "BIPOC" garbage that every black "activist" group promotes. The black struggle is nowhere near the same as the indigenous struggle literally anywhere outside of sub-Saharan Africa. Black people are invaders just as much as the white people to Native Americans.....

    • @lostinmyimagination7485
      @lostinmyimagination7485 Рік тому

      Yeah i heard that as a kid. Also any dark, wavy hair was because u had "Indian in your blood". I do think its cause all we knew about the past was slavery, segregation and a few black "heroes". I just found out about 10ish yrs ago the trust about Rosa Parks. Sad the real first girl still isnt as known as she should be.

  • @choreomaniac
    @choreomaniac Рік тому +15

    Imagine the makers of “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter” Cali got a documentary? Then getting butt-hurt when people point out the inaccuracies. Astounding.

  • @wyattmann8157
    @wyattmann8157 Рік тому +7

    Jada getting sued by Egypt is like Tanner getting into a fight with the 7th Grade... 🤣

  • @GSD-hd1yh
    @GSD-hd1yh Рік тому +33

    If you watch modern takes on historical dramas in the UK you begin to realise that half the nobility and landed gentry of England in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries were either black or had black wives, and yet none of the darker skin colour has carried over into subsequent generations.
    It's almost as if the makers of the programmes are pushing a narrative that isn't true, forget fact and truth and just accept what we want you to believe.

    • @TheUrionak
      @TheUrionak Рік тому +4

      my gf was watching Bridgerton at my place one time so i watched some parts with her and i couldnt believe what the fuk was i seeing lmao

    • @sergarlantyrell7847
      @sergarlantyrell7847 Рік тому +3

      The thing that gets me is that they say "oh, it doesn't matter who plays the character", as if it wouldn't matter if Robert De Niro played Anne Frank.
      I bet they would be crying blue murder if a series was made set in Africa (one about the Zulus would be interesting) and had a bunch of white actors playing some of the Zulus, they'd be saying its cultural appropriation or something.

    • @fireironthesecond2909
      @fireironthesecond2909 Рік тому +5

      What are you talking about Charles III has always been a black trans lesbian

    • @wiseonwords
      @wiseonwords Рік тому

      @GSD-hd1yh - What! Are you implying that Anne Boleyn was NOT black? WTH!

    • @GSD-hd1yh
      @GSD-hd1yh Рік тому

      @@wiseonwords I'm not even certain what his/her pronouns were any more. S/he may have married a trans lesbian at this point.

  • @anonygent
    @anonygent Рік тому +8

    At the very least, the lawsuit should force Netflix to stop calling it a documentary and start calling it fiction, which it is.

  • @dcmastermindfirst9418
    @dcmastermindfirst9418 Рік тому +22

    Dear Drinker i want to hear more antics with Tatiana

    • @sweetie4915
      @sweetie4915 Рік тому +2

      You do realize that Tatiana doesn't exist, it's just an ongoing joke between Drinker and his friends.

    • @Scruffynerfherder10
      @Scruffynerfherder10 Рік тому

      @@sweetie4915 no shit Sherlock

    • @StratumPress
      @StratumPress Рік тому +2

      ​@@sweetie4915 whoooosh

    • @sweetie4915
      @sweetie4915 Рік тому

      @@StratumPress What does 'whoosh' mean?

    • @mouseketeery
      @mouseketeery Рік тому +3

      @@sweetie4915 It's the sound of the sarcasm passing over your head.

  • @Alorand
    @Alorand 8 місяців тому +1

    "I don't care what they tell you Marilyn Monroe was black." - somebody's grandma in the near future, probably.

  • @nhmooytis7058
    @nhmooytis7058 Рік тому +14

    Will is always taking one from the team. No wonder he drinks 😂

    • @ptonpc
      @ptonpc Рік тому +1

      Only when his wife lets him. He has to be nice to her boyfriend.

    • @nhmooytis7058
      @nhmooytis7058 Рік тому

      @@ptonpc he’s not a beta.. don’t project 😁

  • @stevendavis8636
    @stevendavis8636 Рік тому +1

    Poor Cleopatra. Guess she didn't know she was black. Surprised the Egyptians.

  • @dritzzdarkwood4727
    @dritzzdarkwood4727 Рік тому +5

    I need to drink more, Critical is practically glowing in this vid

  • @grimmriffer
    @grimmriffer Рік тому +11

    I didn't realise this was a season 2, and that season 1 didn't take off. So it seems they at least tried to present genuine African Queen stories at first, but, this is not the correct response to a poor reception!

  • @Galerak1
    @Galerak1 Рік тому +5

    When CD was going through all Netflix's researchers for this catastrophic series I find it strange that he missed out on the researcher with the most compelling evidence of Cleopatra's ethnicity, that old lady's grandmother who 'just knew Cleopatra was black, regardless of what everyone told her'.

  • @thierryvanmol9167
    @thierryvanmol9167 Рік тому +4

    For any Netflix-producer that would read this, I have an idea for a 'documentary' about the life of dr. Martin Luther King (adapted for the modern audience of course).
    The show would narate the life of dr. King as we know it, but the actor playing the role would be an Inuit. And it would not be 'Martin' but 'Martina' ! That would do good for the ESG-score, race-swap and gender-swap checked.
    I am absolutely certain people would love this documentary without any backlash or negative reviews.

  • @LordyT34
    @LordyT34 Рік тому +3

    Therapist: "Drinker without sunglasses isn't real, he can't hurt you"
    Drinker without sunglasses:

  • @riduckulus1574
    @riduckulus1574 Рік тому +1

    NetFlix's Cleopatra less factual than Ancient Aliens.

  • @AliRadicali
    @AliRadicali Рік тому +7

    I am convinced that the reason they feel the need to keep pushing and pushing is that these kinds of shows are primarily intended as a provocation, and only secondarily as pandering for the woke crowd. The main purpose is "pissing off the right people", a refrain you've no doubt heard before from creators or critics if you've followed the culture wars at all.
    It's a kind of cultural "not touching, can't get mad" type of deal, where if you don't respond they get to keep pushing your buttons, but if you do get angry then it's "joke's on you, why do you care so much about the skin colour of fictional fish people?". The situation is engineered specifically to allow them to spin any response, even no response, as a win for them and an L for the forces of bigotry and racism.
    I was personally a little surprised that this was the one race-swap where people would draw the line, I figured if Black Achilles and Anne Boleyn were on the table this one would probably just be ignored by an apathetic general audience, but I guess this is the year where the normies are finally sick to the back teeth with quietly putting up with woke BS.
    Also, the Drinker is absolutely right about this weaselly game of projection and double standards the wokies play around race-swapping: it's OK for them to care HEAVILY about the skin colour of fictional fish-people, but if anyone raises an eyebrow the script is flipped and suddenly it is extremely weird to care about the pigmentation of cartoon children's characters. Do not let them get away with playing this little game, call them out for it every single time.
    If there is one thing progressives hate, it is defending/justifying their actual position. Instead, they will attack your position using whatever arguments are most convenient in the moment, with the implication that if they can successfully refute your views then theirs are just automatically the only correct alternative. Getting progs to articulate their own, honestly held positions, much less defend them, is typically like pulling teeth, but it's the best way to shut them down and shut them up. They can't defend blackwashing, they can only attack you for not liking it. Not going along with their script is the easiest way to expose them.

  • @MandatoryReporter2015
    @MandatoryReporter2015 Рік тому +2

    “Season 3 of African Queens: Ru Paul, Ruler of Saudi Arabia.”

  • @YourFunkiness
    @YourFunkiness Рік тому +3

    They had one actual egyptologist in the panel. I heard she had no idea what she was contributing to, but haven't been able to confirm.

  • @DanBerge
    @DanBerge Рік тому +1

    It's not about creating, it's about destroying, taking stuff away from people.

  • @sergiorodriguezballestero714
    @sergiorodriguezballestero714 Рік тому +3

    3:11 thinking of Wallace in idris Elba's skin and Robert the Bruce played amazingly by Hiroyuki Sanada

    • @themulattomaker2602
      @themulattomaker2602 Рік тому +1

      As soon as he mentioned Wallace I thought Idris Elba. We should do a Braveheart reboot.

    • @R-S-e1w
      @R-S-e1w Рік тому

      I’d counter with tadanobu asano as a better fit of Bruce

  • @kev3d
    @kev3d Рік тому

    "You're being sued? That sucks. By whom?"
    "Egypt."

  • @ne0nZchr0me
    @ne0nZchr0me Рік тому +14

    She hulk is still my most hated at an atomic level

    • @Patterner
      @Patterner Рік тому +1

      i really liked Tatiana Maslany in Orphan Black. wasting her talent in SHAaL should be a felony

    • @joso7228
      @joso7228 Рік тому

      at least they got her skin colour right (if not her religion)

  • @davidbroughall3782
    @davidbroughall3782 Рік тому +2

    Emperor Napoleon: a documentary, starring Michael B. Jordan

  • @christophertaylor9100
    @christophertaylor9100 Рік тому +12

    There is an ongoing, deliberate effort to rewrite history no matter how reasonable or true it is.

    • @HerculesBallsInc
      @HerculesBallsInc Рік тому

      Neo-Maoism. All media needs to be re-written so the plebs aren't even aware that it's POSSIBLE to be anything but woke.

    • @Bhavyo
      @Bhavyo Рік тому +1

      Nearly nothing we are beeing told about history is true.

  • @johnord684
    @johnord684 Рік тому +1

    I don't care what any teacher of history says ,my grandad told me Shake Zulu was white.

  • @rmessenger23
    @rmessenger23 Рік тому +7

    Now this is real cultural appropriation...

  • @salondesrefuses
    @salondesrefuses Рік тому

    Not only is Egypt pissed about the documentary, but, upon hearing about that backlash, the makers of it doubled down on their message and basically said "Why are you afraid of being represented as black?", which is like... pulling the racism card... against the people you're making a "documentary" about. The left has a term for that, I believe it starts with "cultural" and ends in "appropriation"; but this attitude also fits neatly into the "white saviour" box, because a bunch of white americans are the ones who decided that Cleopatra was black, to make themselves look forward thinking, accepting, etc.

  • @wyattmann8157
    @wyattmann8157 Рік тому +5

    “I don’t care what they told you in school: William Wallace was a Hispanic guy from Texas” - _not_ my grandmother

  • @ibidesign
    @ibidesign Рік тому

    CD's eyes are WAY more clear than I'd ever imagined!

  • @m.p.7075
    @m.p.7075 Рік тому +15

    From those scores either the racism is getting worse or the writing is getting worse.
    I wonder which one it could be 🤔🤔

    • @johnwade1095
      @johnwade1095 Рік тому +5

      It could be both.

    • @User-mj9hv
      @User-mj9hv Рік тому +6

      Perpetual racebaiting in entertainment and educational content is creating resentment.

    • @JAFTW
      @JAFTW Рік тому +1

      Both

  • @ubertoss2000
    @ubertoss2000 Рік тому

    Genuinely had no idea who that was without the aviators on 😅

  • @lance134679
    @lance134679 Рік тому +3

    I don't think Hollywood filmmakers know what the word documentary means.

  • @FlyingBystander
    @FlyingBystander Рік тому

    The Miss Fisher documentaries are some of the best I've seen. love the outfits!

  • @SampaFourty69
    @SampaFourty69 Рік тому +4

    The people who defended it were hilarious they kept saying "its not a documentary" while the poster they showed said "A Netflix Documentary" 😂😂

  • @dyloniusofsparta
    @dyloniusofsparta Рік тому +2

    The Woman King conveniently forgot she was a slave trader. So there's a good chance one or more of the people defending the movie are in America right now because their great great great grandfather or grandmother were sold by the heroic Woman King.

  • @halhansen778
    @halhansen778 Рік тому +3

    Cleopatra has always been considered having extreme charisma. I’ve only looked at these couple of clips, but anyone who has watched this, did they cast someone that has this great undeniable charisma??????

  • @Egypt_101
    @Egypt_101 Рік тому +3

    I had to watch all episodes of that 'documentary' to make my review on it. In one word, it was torture! I don't blame the Drinker for not watching it all.

  • @dougtaylor1793
    @dougtaylor1793 Рік тому +10

    Looking forward to the biopic of Barack Obama and the actor is a Mexican!

    • @Bloodfencer1990
      @Bloodfencer1990 Рік тому +3

      I hear Chris Hemsworth got cast for the Martin Luther King Jr. documentary.

    • @melissagrant1649
      @melissagrant1649 Рік тому +1

      @@Bloodfencer1990 I was thinking the same at work today. I like his accent and I'd love to hear him make the I Have a Dream speech, especially because the audience should be judging him on his character instead of his skin colour.

  • @Alph413
    @Alph413 Рік тому

    First time i’ve seen ”The Drinker” without glasses😅😅…well done👍

  • @dogkungfu8510
    @dogkungfu8510 Рік тому +3

    My grandma told me every historical figure was an ancient alien. 😊

  • @marlonelias
    @marlonelias Рік тому +1

    I’m subscribed to both of these guys!.!.

  • @wesslesyt3304
    @wesslesyt3304 Рік тому +3

    Dude critical drinker and Charisma university combined is gold

  • @immortaljanus
    @immortaljanus Рік тому +2

    "But it's our truth!"
    😁😁😁😁

  • @Mr_Jumbles
    @Mr_Jumbles Рік тому +9

    We need to make a docuseries about Shaka Zulu, staring only white actors.
    And then when Hollywood and all the social media skitzos lose their mind over it just gaslight them about why they shouldn't be upset and how Shaka was actually always white.

    • @tma2001
      @tma2001 Рік тому +1

      except folks have forgotten that this is exactly what Hollywood Westerns did for decades when it came to American Indians or John Wayne as Genghis Khan!

  • @jsyvret472
    @jsyvret472 Рік тому +1

    Watching people argue with Egyptians about this is wild

  • @CerxFouquet9
    @CerxFouquet9 Рік тому +10

    "Gender Studies Professor" is the funniest thing I heard in my adulthood😂 It's like putting on with a kid playing superhero🤣

    • @L0neSiPh0n
      @L0neSiPh0n Рік тому +1

      "Ugga bugga me no like word so word not real uggabugga"

    • @CerxFouquet9
      @CerxFouquet9 Рік тому +2

      @@L0neSiPh0n Naww there there, I'm sorry my baby, come I clap for you👏👏

    • @L0neSiPh0n
      @L0neSiPh0n Рік тому +1

      @@CerxFouquet9 I love how people like you think dismissing something somehow invalidates it.
      You are such peculiar specimen to look at

    • @CerxFouquet9
      @CerxFouquet9 Рік тому

      @@L0neSiPh0n Ahahaha likewise. Time will tell what you lot will accomplish - looking at the state of the entertainment industry from a financial/business perspective doesn't seem to do you good though!🤣 but let's see how much longer you can keep screaming names at those who don't agree with you so you may only seem superior at surface value😘
      Sure I may dismiss, but your type of people on the other hand only know of finding every possible way to get upset, complain and have been spoiled like dogs that learned to bark and snarl to get treats and think themselves above the humans😂 You think name calling somehow invalidates it - I'd say that's indeed what a dog with bad character would do if it learned to speak. Just like buying a book on Amazon, you expect everything to go easy, quick, your way for your satisfaction. That's why the world's rolling its eyes at you lot - you just don't know how to sit down and talk reason. All you know is how to point fingers, shout and accuse with hostility, and demand demand demand.
      Look, the world knows it's hilarious bs that's running on good will and some momentum ignited by Weinstein and the George Floyd incident (the incident itself is absolutely tragic and it should not have
      happened) - we know you lot cannot tell where the boundary lies and lost your minds to think your time has somewhat come lol It's all too obvious you lot turn a blind eye to facts that you don't like and name callings (basement dweller, virgin, sexist and other-ist, insecure bampot to name a few of your favorite hits) somehow justify everything you do or say.
      So let's see - are you going to try to belittle these unfortunately spot on daggers by laughing at "what a long rant" it is? Or are you going to dive into digging through colorful insults to sound unfazed?(try something I haven't listed above then in that case - I'm curious👀 Afterall, that's where your creativity shines, instead of coming up with anything original or unique as shown abundantly in recent Hollywood endeavors😂) Or will you throw me a couple lines to have the final word before you sod off and feel good? Give it a go!🙌

    • @L0neSiPh0n
      @L0neSiPh0n Рік тому +1

      @@nickelchlorine2753 That's a whole lot of nothing and also just an alleged anecdote.
      Doesn't mean anything.

  • @townsville69
    @townsville69 Рік тому +1

    I think the writers said 'people believe men can give birth, so...black Cleo ?'. Yep fk it.

  • @Narcil
    @Narcil Рік тому +10

    Truth is not a Left-wing value.
    For the Left, if truth gets in the way of the message, then truth needs to take a back seat.

    • @ro4eva
      @ro4eva Рік тому

      As a former left-winger, agreed 100% (learned it the hard way -- had property destroyed by leftoid rioters without provocation).

    • @lordnastrond1
      @lordnastrond1 Рік тому

      Thats politics - the right and the left both push an agenda and twist the truth to "accomplish" that aim.
      History should be a record of fact, though that is a bit of an unattainable goal given our records of the past are written by biased sources.

  • @thespalek1
    @thespalek1 Рік тому

    Daamn.. Drinker w/o sunglasses is scary😂😂

  • @dagazrune6453
    @dagazrune6453 Рік тому

    Why is UA-cam hiding the complete video from me? I want to watch the complete video, but all I find are small snips.

  • @thinkforyourself2109
    @thinkforyourself2109 Рік тому +3

    I know a real Egyptologist, a retired professor emeritus who had written numerous monographs and books on the subject, who told me Cleopatra was Greek -- this was long before this movie came out. He was complaining that some people claimed she was black when clearly she was not. This was years ago.

  • @the_SolLoser
    @the_SolLoser Рік тому

    The guy on the left, was he part of the Charisma on Command channel?

  • @tarron3237
    @tarron3237 Рік тому +5

    The sad thing is, if they had pictured Cleopatra historically accurate, that role would've still been a strong, amazing woman.
    But no, apparently that was not enough. And that's the real BS here. Some people want to define exactly what a strong female is supposed to be and look like.
    Absolute hubris.

    • @PappyGunn
      @PappyGunn Рік тому

      Well they would have had to start with an 18 year old girl boinking Ceasar so he could help her win the civil war against her brother and murder him. He was a kid by the way. Then she boinked Mark Antony to keep her throne. Etc. Yes, a strong amazing promicuous woman.

    • @nickmitsialis
      @nickmitsialis Рік тому

      Or, like in Star Trek Picard: Absolute F/king Hubris.

  • @iost5459
    @iost5459 Рік тому

    It’s so weird seeing the drinker without sunglasses

  • @johnmarks227
    @johnmarks227 Рік тому +4

    They couldn't find any famous African women to make a movie about , so they did that.

    • @deerinheadlights100
      @deerinheadlights100 Рік тому

      To be fair, blacks had no writing or narrative art, so no one knows what went on unless non-blacks recorded it.

    • @himmelsturmerIX
      @himmelsturmerIX Рік тому

      They did found one. And it's a literal slave trader.

  • @fabiopaolobarbieri2286
    @fabiopaolobarbieri2286 Рік тому

    About Cleipatra "Flying around with a jet pack and an Ipad in her hand", a very black "Cleopatra" is a superheroine in Kurt Busiek's Astro City. But I doubt Mr.Busiek ever pretended that his was a historical recreation.

  • @hardbrocklife
    @hardbrocklife Рік тому +3

    Host is absolutely a male ENFJ

    • @timothygremlin9737
      @timothygremlin9737 Рік тому +1

      Wtf is that

    • @themulattomaker2602
      @themulattomaker2602 Рік тому

      @@timothygremlin9737 It's a Briggs-Meyer personality type, but I'm not sure how you can tell he's an ENFJ by a seven-minute interview...

    • @timothygremlin9737
      @timothygremlin9737 Рік тому

      @@themulattomaker2602 Who are these people? Briggs Meyer? I'm not joking, no idea.

    • @themulattomaker2602
      @themulattomaker2602 Рік тому

      @@timothygremlin9737 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator
      I had the name backwards, my bad

  • @PsychicGirl
    @PsychicGirl Рік тому +1

    I keep forgetting that the Critical Drinker has eyes under the sunglasses.

  • @seanmcgrady8688
    @seanmcgrady8688 Рік тому +3

    First. :D

  • @spookyboi8446
    @spookyboi8446 Рік тому

    The intro was enough to make me switch to something else 😂

  • @danielt.8573
    @danielt.8573 Рік тому

    "Identity is a cheap substitute for character." - Keri Smith

  • @nigelbagguley7606
    @nigelbagguley7606 Рік тому +1

    They might as well have cited the channel 5 series Anne Boleyn as evidence that Fat Henry's wife was black.

  • @superturkle
    @superturkle Рік тому

    the precedent for suing on grounds of "cultural slander" was set by the simpsons in their brazil episode. brazil was portrayed unflatteringly with satire, as you might expect from the simpsons, and brazil sued on the basis of lost tourism revenue. the case was thrown out of US courts on the reasoning that nations cant sue for cultural/tourism damages.

  • @northernpaladin66
    @northernpaladin66 Рік тому

    "straight off a Marvel set" absolutely

  • @newwavepop
    @newwavepop Рік тому +1

    i hope Egypt some how wins the absolute hell out of that lawsuit.

  • @arturomillan
    @arturomillan Рік тому

    Hey it's the Charisma guy. Can't belive I hadn't heard about this channel before.

  • @aardwolf6668
    @aardwolf6668 Рік тому

    There's a youtuber called History of Everything Podcast. Bless his soul, but he not only watched all of Cleopatra to combat the misinfo but he's doing it with Njinga too (S1 queen).
    Annnnddddd they also lied about her.
    She was a huge part of the slave trade but they portrayed her as completely anti-slavery and like she was fighting to save slaves. At one point she literally used a slave a chair and then just left them behind as a power move on the Portuguese (which they left out when they covered that part).

  • @domm6812
    @domm6812 Рік тому

    The drinker absolutely nails it re the supposed professionals they had being interviewed in it. The way the spoke and twisted information to suit their own clear agendas was jaw dropping. As a person with a formal science education it was pretty sickening.