There is difference between respect for minorities in Syria and granting autonomy. Kurds want kurdish State within Syria. That is non starter for the HTS otherwise all other minorities will demand the same as the kurds!
The SDF is occupying a quarter of the country's land, including it's oil producing and most arable land, but Kurds only make up 10% of the Syrian population.
Why autonomy is not part of Human rights, especially if the jihadis apply Sharia. Then the democratic secular people have a right to autonomy. Nobody should be subjected to medieval cult laws if they dont want them
@@Qaadiriye Who are you to decide what is best for the Kurds. Let them decide what is best for them. You are probably a T0urco-jihadi who only wants to slaughter Kurds
KURDS ARE NOT ALL PKK/YPG SEMPHATISERS! 'KURD' DOES NOT MEAN 'MILITIA'! KURDS ARE NOT PKK/YPG MILITIAS! YOU CAN'T USE THE WORD "KURDS" TO REFER YPG/PKK OR OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATION'S MILITIAS! THEY ARE DIFFERENT!
Inclusivity is a prerequisite for the future stability of Syria. And why would that be just a concern of "the collective West"? Why are you always hiding behind us? Man up, for once. Lack of inclusivity doesn't seem to prevent your lot from presenting yourselves at our borders as asylum seekers (read: economic migrants). Why don't you pick more inclusive hosts?
@jawan8908 There are close to 3 Million Turkmen and close to 2 Million Kurds in Syria. There are officially over 4 Million Syrians in Turkey. 2-4 Million more if you count the non-registered ones. All included there should be 25 Million Syrians. So the dude is right.
@ If there are so many of them, then why didn't they take part in something military? There are fewer Kurds, and they have more military skills. Anyone who wants to show themselves should be in the countryside. There are 5 to 7 million Kurds in Syria.
Turkmen? They have a few villages in Syria that’s all! Turks are trend to exaggerate as you do 😄 there are more Circassians are more than Turkmen in Syria. Kurds make up 10-15% of population including these stripped of their citizenship by Ba’ath regime. You have claimed the same in Iraq but turned out to be 0.05% 😄
@@Dilt-sk9uu I googled "how many kurds are there" I got - wikipedia: 30 Million - BBC: 25-30 Million - thekurdishproject: 30 Million - National Geograhpic: 30 Million These you can lower to divide them into the 4 different languages, they speak. Or you can accept that "Kurd" translates to "Mountain people". Then you suddenly have a billion Kurds around the world. Wouldn't that be nice?
@@zionti5634 Türkiye means 'land of Turks'...and Anatolia is the land of Oghuz Turks for more than 1000 years..Republic is continuation of the empire.. and Ottoman dynasty were people of Seljuk Empire before, which is the preceding Turkish empire..they're all founded in Anatolia, in the land of Turks, by Turks..
@@zionti5634 True dat. The Brits and the French went about divvying up the region with a map and a ruler, with scant regard for ethnicities and their homelands.
i feel like there has to be some kind of multi way agreement between the kurds the hts and turkey, whereby the kurds publicly and officially denounce the actions of the pkk in turkish territory and recognize the authority of damascus, where turkey backs off on its control of the SNA and its fight against the Syrian Kurds, and where HTS recognizes some level of autonomy of the kurdish region in northeastern syria. this cannot be allowed to scale into more conflict.
If a measly 3-4M Israelis can have their own state, lands they seized from the Arab countries, surely the 65M+ Kurds needs their own country as well. I mean, even Croatia and Kosovo have one. It's time for the Kurds in Syria, Iraq and Turkey to unite and fight for their own country! The US and EU backs them..
We Are Kurd not arab , those 10% are 3.5 million Kurds but palestinians are 1.8 million , all world say palestinians can have country but 60 million Kurds can't ❤️☀️💚
Even in the so called kurdish area of Syria kurds aren't an overwhelming majority, It's just one city . Being secular doesn't mean they should be allowed to carve Syria. Assad was secular too btw.
Is there a reason why syria don't go to federation system since I came from Malaysia and is not so bad but because middle east have no experience with federation. Is that why? To give you perspective, in Malaysia there is malay majority state and chinese majority state, other natives majority state, and hybrid state. Some state is monarchy and others is republic and at national there is elective monarchy, largely symbolics. Vernacular school is also a part of constitution like mandarin and tamil. Obviously not ideal but pratical for keeping the peace.
Another fifth of Syrian land is occupied by the US military itself in the southeast, centered around the Al-Tanf Military Base which borders Jordan and Iraq, and which was propped up from Jordan's side of the border. The US military also occupies SDF land. Basically up to a third of the country is occupied by the US.
SDF is not sypmphatetic to PKK, they are simply the xPKK fighters, who has been legitimized by changing the name as advised by US special forces to be trained and equipped. Turkey proposed US to guard the ISIS prisoners by deploying 3 commando brigades. Undoubtly for decades the US policy for the region is to gain political leverage by promoting some sort of autonomy for the Kurds to control the region.
All these areas, were lands of various groups like Jews, christians, Druze, khurds ets and they are forced to fight for their survival ever since Islam spread 'peacefully' acrosss
So what new. US always do that. Afghanistan last time also same. Police and soldiers speak northern language driving pickups with masood poster Local pashtuns enemy.
maybe a federation concept would do as all the parts have their grievances but the Kurds are the ones who suffered the most from Turkish oppression. Syria needs to find a Syrian way to deal with internal balances and provide their bulky neighbors with security guarantees without being too sensible to their influences or the country will fell in another decade of instability or a tyranny not so much different from the one they just ousted. Now that's easy to understand, then other factors set in like personal interest, money and a religion that too often is not inclined to dialogue and considers human rights a liability rather then an asset
Imagine how the English treated Irish, Welsh and Scottish few hundred years back… they hate them for not being them when they were forced to become culturally Turkish. Turkish nation state is based on everyone being forced into the same cultural group, issue is that there’s ethnic groups with different cultures that have been living there longer than the Turkic ppl. The Turkish government even forcefully removed three Kurdish mayors in three predominantly Kurdish areas this year on the basis they were Kurdish first their politics second.
The Turks want to keep the Kurds as a subject race, a status that no Kurdish group accepts, and this is why armed insurgency led by the PKK movement since 1979. The Greeks broke the shackle long time ago, now the Kurds struggle for it
Turkey doesn't dislike the Kurds, it dislikes the PKK/YPG that want to break Turkey and Syria up to establish their own country, most Kurds do not support an independent state and are happy to live with the many different ethnic groups that make up both countries.
Let me say my story; I was 7 years old and I was travelling with my family frequently by bus. I had very nice relation with bus drivers. One day I was going to school and one bus passed near me and driver waved his hand to me. He was one my favourite driver. Next day I heard everyone talking about something in town. They were saying PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) stoped the bus, got 40 passangers and my favourite driver out, and start shooting at them. So that little town lost 41 people in one night. For years, I was always scared to travel by bus. It might seem so easy from your eyes but it is not easy to pass those traumas
There is difference between respect for minorities in Syria and granting autonomy. Kurds want kurdish State within Syria. That is non starter for the HTS otherwise all other minorities will demand the same as the kurds!
Also they want a landlocked country with all the oil and abandoning other Kurds of Syria which is ridiculous and would destabilize the region
The SDF is occupying a quarter of the country's land, including it's oil producing and most arable land, but Kurds only make up 10% of the Syrian population.
Why autonomy is not part of Human rights, especially if the jihadis apply Sharia. Then the democratic secular people have a right to autonomy. Nobody should be subjected to medieval cult laws if they dont want them
@@PoppinC-l3w SDF is not just Kurds. There local Arabs who dont want to be governed by Jihadis. Do some research
@@Qaadiriye Who are you to decide what is best for the Kurds. Let them decide what is best for them. You are probably a T0urco-jihadi who only wants to slaughter Kurds
KURDS ARE NOT ALL PKK/YPG SEMPHATISERS! 'KURD' DOES NOT MEAN 'MILITIA'! KURDS ARE NOT PKK/YPG MILITIAS! YOU CAN'T USE THE WORD "KURDS" TO REFER YPG/PKK OR OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATION'S MILITIAS! THEY ARE DIFFERENT!
All are the same. And you know this very well!!!
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@@LP-qh7tl so all moslems are jihadist?
No. I'm Kurdish and I DO NOT support SDF.
Turkey has every right to defend it's borders and intervene in Syria
who says that? Another Kurd?
How 10% of the population hold half of country? Kurds are minority in syria.
They were attacked by ISIS, they defeated ISIS and got the land. Can you provide evidence that Kurds hold half of Syria?
America bro.... They do that everywhere.
they have it because they fought isis for it and took it back
Kurds are 14-15% of the population and control roughly 25% of the land FACTS
@@mersingjohor2826USA support Kurds for their long lasting stance against Isis and have been protecting them from turkish injust repression, FACTS
The collective West should support hts to stabilize Syria instead of talking about inclusivity which they themselves do not practice
Inclusivity is a prerequisite for the future stability of Syria. And why would that be just a concern of "the collective West"? Why are you always hiding behind us? Man up, for once.
Lack of inclusivity doesn't seem to prevent your lot from presenting yourselves at our borders as asylum seekers (read: economic migrants). Why don't you pick more inclusive hosts?
Largest ethnic minority??? Kurds make up less than 10% of the poulation. Turkmens make up around that much too. Doesn't mean anything.
Turkmens are 2 Prozent
Turkmen 2 Pro zent
@jawan8908 There are close to 3 Million Turkmen and close to 2 Million Kurds in Syria. There are officially over 4 Million Syrians in Turkey. 2-4 Million more if you count the non-registered ones. All included there should be 25 Million Syrians. So the dude is right.
@ If there are so many of them, then why didn't they take part in something military? There are fewer Kurds, and they have more military skills. Anyone who wants to show themselves should be in the countryside. There are 5 to 7 million Kurds in Syria.
Turkmen? They have a few villages in Syria that’s all! Turks are trend to exaggerate as you do 😄 there are more Circassians are more than Turkmen in Syria. Kurds make up 10-15% of population including these stripped of their citizenship by Ba’ath regime. You have claimed the same in Iraq but turned out to be 0.05% 😄
The potential for a regional conflict in Syria is clear
There are multiple internal, and external
forces competing each other
USA should give autonomy for black Americans
US didn't belong to any withe or black, is the lands of native American.
Did they say they wanted autonomy
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@@BravoOne1kızma belki istiyorlar verirsiniz bir kaç eyalet onlarında kendi ülkesi olsun
@@BravoOne1Vampire America, you must give back the Native American people's lands too.
75 million stateless Kurds deserve to have an independent state
Don't exaggerate, where did you get that number? Besides, over active reproduction organ does not automatically grant you an independent state.
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Tell me first where did you get your number of Kurds? From fascist countries who occupy Kurdistan and deny the Kurdish existence???
@@Dilt-sk9uu I googled "how many kurds are there"
I got
- wikipedia: 30 Million
- BBC: 25-30 Million
- thekurdishproject: 30 Million
- National Geograhpic: 30 Million
These you can lower to divide them into the 4 different languages, they speak. Or you can accept that "Kurd" translates to "Mountain people". Then you suddenly have a billion Kurds around the world. Wouldn't that be nice?
@
That was 50!years ago, Wiki data was taken from countries who occupy Kurdistan and
kurds or others ,need to give up any idea of a new state called kurdistan ,it never existed until now ..
Moste of the country name are new.. did you really think turkey or Irak had their names 150 years ago? 😅
@@zionti5634 Iraq and Turkey did have a counry 150 years ago nevertheless, by a different name.
@@zionti5634 Türkiye means 'land of Turks'...and Anatolia is the land of Oghuz Turks for more than 1000 years..Republic is continuation of the empire.. and Ottoman dynasty were people of Seljuk Empire before, which is the preceding Turkish empire..they're all founded in Anatolia, in the land of Turks, by Turks..
@@zionti5634 True dat. The Brits and the French went about divvying up the region with a map and a ruler, with scant regard for ethnicities and their homelands.
@ÖSA-q4w pffhahaha! So who was in the ottoman Empire?? Not turkey and not iraq?? There was no countries then!
Dont lie SDF is not kurds. local kurds hates SDF do some research before spreading propoganda
Okay Mehmet
okey pualian.
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Believe your father Erdogan's propaganda
Freedom for Kurds.
Tel avivde devlet kurun
*certain kurds r allied with israel , but all kurdish regions r contained within the islamic world , do the math*
i feel like there has to be some kind of multi way agreement between the kurds the hts and turkey, whereby the kurds publicly and officially denounce the actions of the pkk in turkish territory and recognize the authority of damascus, where turkey backs off on its control of the SNA and its fight against the Syrian Kurds, and where HTS recognizes some level of autonomy of the kurdish region in northeastern syria. this cannot be allowed to scale into more conflict.
This will probably happen. Kurds cant just take all the oil of Syria to themselves though
The Kurds have been the most reliable partner in the region for 20 years.
why is west so worried about syrian kurds but not syrian turkmens?
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Because Turkmen are not oppressed but Kurds are and are terrorized by Turkey
Very true divide and rule tactic
@@koseku3 Because Kurds are Zyonysts!
France has to show some support.
Freedom for africans ın France!
If a measly 3-4M Israelis can have their own state, lands they seized from the Arab countries, surely the 65M+ Kurds needs their own country as well.
I mean, even Croatia and Kosovo have one.
It's time for the Kurds in Syria, Iraq and Turkey to unite and fight for their own country! The US and EU backs them..
As if all kurds are SDF members😂
We Are Kurd not arab , those 10% are 3.5 million Kurds but palestinians are 1.8 million , all world say palestinians can have country but 60 million Kurds can't
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Freedom = Kurd ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼
60 miljoner kurder idag och mer I världen...the medes hurians land of KURD. ❤❤❤
Even in the so called kurdish area of Syria kurds aren't an overwhelming majority, It's just one city . Being secular doesn't mean they should be allowed to carve Syria. Assad was secular too btw.
Is there a reason why syria don't go to federation system since I came from Malaysia and is not so bad but because middle east have no experience with federation. Is that why? To give you perspective, in Malaysia there is malay majority state and chinese majority state, other natives majority state, and hybrid state. Some state is monarchy and others is republic and at national there is elective monarchy, largely symbolics. Vernacular school is also a part of constitution like mandarin and tamil. Obviously not ideal but pratical for keeping the peace.
Another fifth of Syrian land is occupied by the US military itself in the southeast, centered around the Al-Tanf Military Base which borders Jordan and Iraq, and which was propped up from Jordan's side of the border. The US military also occupies SDF land. Basically up to a third of the country is occupied by the US.
1.Not Kurdish
2. Not autonomy.
SDF is not sypmphatetic to PKK, they are simply the xPKK fighters, who has been legitimized by changing the name as advised by US special forces to be trained and equipped. Turkey proposed US to guard the ISIS prisoners by deploying 3 commando brigades. Undoubtly for decades the US policy for the region is to gain political leverage by promoting some sort of autonomy for the Kurds to control the region.
All these areas, were lands of various groups like Jews, christians, Druze, khurds ets and they are forced to fight for their survival ever since Islam spread 'peacefully' acrosss
The Kurds are sunni muslims 😊
If you will it, it's no dream Kurdistan will be free.
So what new. US always do that. Afghanistan last time also same. Police and soldiers speak northern language driving pickups with masood poster Local pashtuns enemy.
We look to the French for continuation of its support to the oppressed Kurdish nation
Fransaya amerikaya rusyaya israile güvenin bizde Allaha güveniyoruz
Sizin dostlarınız Allahtan büyükse gelsin çıksın karşımıza
maybe a federation concept would do as all the parts have their grievances but the Kurds are the ones who suffered the most from Turkish oppression. Syria needs to find a Syrian way to deal with internal balances and provide their bulky neighbors with security guarantees without being too sensible to their influences or the country will fell in another decade of instability or a tyranny not so much different from the one they just ousted. Now that's easy to understand, then other factors set in like personal interest, money and a religion that too often is not inclined to dialogue and considers human rights a liability rather then an asset
Druze villages have declared they want to join isrl for security purposes, think about that...
only reason europe and us cares about ypg in syria is they know ypg will do whatever they say.
so we should just give 10% of the mignority with 40% of totall land mass ? why ?
It's complicated
U mean relationship b/w Turkey n France.
big problem is Isreal, who disturbed democratic
Sure. It's all Israels fault...😂...
what? 😂😂😂😂
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Why do Turks dislike the Kurds so much? I think the Kurds should make a deal with HTS
Because Kurds live in parts of modern Turkey and they might want to be independent, thereby seceding from the government in Ankara.
Imagine how the English treated Irish, Welsh and Scottish few hundred years back… they hate them for not being them when they were forced to become culturally Turkish.
Turkish nation state is based on everyone being forced into the same cultural group, issue is that there’s ethnic groups with different cultures that have been living there longer than the Turkic ppl.
The Turkish government even forcefully removed three Kurdish mayors in three predominantly Kurdish areas this year on the basis they were Kurdish first their politics second.
The Turks want to keep the Kurds as a subject race, a status that no Kurdish group accepts, and this is why armed insurgency led by the PKK movement since 1979. The Greeks broke the shackle long time ago, now the Kurds struggle for it
Turkey doesn't dislike the Kurds, it dislikes the PKK/YPG that want to break Turkey and Syria up to establish their own country, most Kurds do not support an independent state and are happy to live with the many different ethnic groups that make up both countries.
Let me say my story; I was 7 years old and I was travelling with my family frequently by bus. I had very nice relation with bus drivers. One day I was going to school and one bus passed near me and driver waved his hand to me. He was one my favourite driver. Next day I heard everyone talking about something in town. They were saying PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) stoped the bus, got 40 passangers and my favourite driver out, and start shooting at them. So that little town lost 41 people in one night. For years, I was always scared to travel by bus. It might seem so easy from your eyes but it is not easy to pass those traumas
Parking lot
Turnkey Qatar must play big role in Syria. Keep USA out