I couldn't believe your statement about the mere 31-year gap, so I looked it up. Sure enough, A6M's first flight 1st April '39 (not a very auspicious date, I guess), Tomcat's first flight 21st December 1970. Astounding progress in such a short period. Then again, we're talking about two very different countries with two very different peoples.
Agreed 477000$ is the advertised cost of 1 Phoenix Missile. (google). No wonder why commanding officers freak out when pilots use Hellfires on camels and jeeps!!
Daniel Cannata the US navy pilots were enjoying feeling great ,toying with ancient combat plane. Really fun. But it will be a nightmare if they meet same class opponent
the one scene where the F-14 drops very close to the water and you can hear the engines screaming....that was not intended, the aircraft actually stalled in real life from the low speed maneuvers and the pilot had to rapidly go to max power and pull out, which in early F-14A's was very dangerous because of an engine design problem that often led to a flame out of one or both engines when rapidly transitioning from low power to max power.
The change of tone in this scene is actually scary. At first, F-14s are toying around, playing, in an almost lighthearted way. As soon as they are given to take down the Zeros, playtime is over. At that very moment, both Zeros are already done for. Suddenly, the F-14s turn into relentless monsters…
Can you imagine being a pilot in the 1940's flying what was for the time a modern single prop plane, and seeing planes with NO props zoom by you at twice your maximum speed, and perform maneuvers you couldn't even dream of doing?
Bambi's mom was shot when he was a fawn. But Bambi grew up to be a proud buck. The Great Prince of the Forest raises him. I do not know if I should feel sorry for myself for knowing this or not. I am 45 years old and have no children so I can not use the, "I have kids," defense.
+Mitja Vertot Depending on where it hit, yes. The shots would have to go right into the engine only to have a chance of keeping the plane from shredding. At least they correctly modeled what a Sidewinder would do to a Zero (i.e. not much left).
You're flying the fastest, extant, model fighter in existence and suddenly these two things blow past you like you're standing still, gotta feel for the Zero Pilots
@@TheDolphinator8 And they still would have shred it. Zero's were brought down by .50 cal solid slugs. The 20mm cannon on an F-14 has a higher rate of fire than all of the .50's on an American WW2 fighter combined. So, even if the rounds didn't explode, it still would have sawed a Zero in half.
They couldn't let those Zekes get anywhere near the carrier, lest they open fire on a bunch of aircraft just sitting there on the flight deck (with no time to get them down below); the collective value of those planes were worth far more than just one sidewinder missile!
+Lucian Ene Mid-generation Sidewinders like the ones used here could lock onto a truck engine. Late-model Sidewinders like the ones used today can lock onto the friction an aircraft's winds create against the air.
also there is the possibility to slave the aim9x to the plane's IR sensors so it can track a low thermal signature as long as the plane keeps it targeted
That was not scripted, the pilot really did stall out trying to fly slow enough to stay behind the zero replica flying full speed. This was at low altitude, and was almost a crash.
+pontiacGXPfan Its kind of hard to get an aircraft that can get up to 1544 mph flying in the same scene as an aircraft that goes 330 mph max. No CGI back then, so the F-14's had to fly at stall speed.
+porpus99 Fun fact about the sound effects is that they added the scream of the pilot's wife from when she was shown that scene in a pre-screening session.
According to one of the F-14 pilots ('Shoes' Mullin), the Zeros were going absolutely as fast as they could at only 120 - 130 knots (top speed was 150 knots, but the canopy open reduced the speed due to drag) while the F-14 Tomcats were close to their stall speed of 100 knots. In reality, the F-14s would have lit the burners and gone vertical and then came down hard from the top on them in order maintain the high energy state while keeping up with the extremely slow Zeroes.
Yep; I'd have thought that kind of battle wouldn't necessarily have been as simple as it's supposed to look. The F-14s weren't really designed to fight aircraft flying so slow without using missiles at much longer ranges. Getting in that close was potentially slightly risky when instead they could've fired Sparrows from over 25 miles away.
+AllThingsFlightSim They are indeed, thanks. They had fairly extensive vismods done to them beyond just the paint job though. More info here: www.warbirddepot.com/aircraft_fighters_zero-jackson.asp
The easiest way to spot if a T-6 has been modified to look like something else is to look at the wing leading edges. The T-6 has its main wheels tucked into two bulges that protrude slightly from the wing leading edges, close to the fuselage, below the cockpit.
Agreed. However, having known a couple of USN pilots from the Pacific theater when growing up, just a couple of hits from the 20mm Vulcan would have ripped the motor off the Zeke, if it didn't shred the whole aircraft. We had a P-38 pilot a few doors down from us who said just two good hits with the P-38's 20mm cannon would "dismount the motor" on the Zero but it took five or six hits to blow one off a Betty Bomber.
actually, it was 39 years for that ship (1980 going back to 1941). And it's been another 39 years since that movie came out. It seems like outside of computers, we haven't advanced all that much in the last 39 years, not like they advanced in the previous 39 years.
F-14 Tomcat defeats A6M5 ZERO because all World War 2 aircraft including A6M5 ZERO do not carry Air-to-Air Missiles. F-14 is a Cold War-era Aircraft while A6M5 ZERO is World War 2-era Aircraft.
The MR.2 Nimrod was a sub hunter aircraft built in the late 60's off the DeHaviland Comet airframe and flown by the RAF. The RAF retired them from service in 2011.
Daniel Haire The words translated as "mighty hunter" can also be translated as "tyrant." Nimrod was a despot, the first king, and the first to combine religion and the state together. Watch the Fuel Project's videos about him and his dysfunctional family. It's pretty interesting.
This was one of my favorite movies as a kid. I use to hum this theme song when I was in the carrier pattern in my F18 :) There is just something so poetic about seeing these tech marvels of different ages flying around with each other.
First, to maneuver with a A6M, the F-14s would be just above stall speed. Second, does the exhaust from the Zero engine have enough of a heat signature for an AIM-9?
We have a Yes and a No.When the early Sidewinder was developed, the seeker could track a cigarette, but I have no idea how far cigarette was from the seeker.
The original IR sensor did. However, this would not be the original 1953 variant but the AIM-9L all-aspect developed in 1977. It still had the sensitivity but didn't get easily get spoofed by other IR/heat sources. Also, as they never encountered the Sidewinder, the Zero pilots would never have known about the sun trick.
Fun fact, in the story, this aircraft carrier was sent back 39 years into the past (1980-1941), and it's been 39 years since this movie was made, so right now in 2019 we are just as far in the future compared to the ship and crew in the movie as the Pearl Harbor attack was in the past to them.
@@andreww.8262 lmao maybe some look but they’re a lot faster, agile, and need a lot less speed to take off, a lot of modern crafts can hover. Whether we see them or not is up to the government
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams
"Splash the Zeros, i say again splash the Zeros". I love that line. What a beautiful and powerfull plane, the F14. Hornets and F35 are cool and all that... but a real man flies an F14.
A similar battle between modern jet fighters and WW2-era fighter planes also happened in a Japanese light novel and its web novel version. In Nihonkoku Shoukan (Summoning Japan), 12 F-15J Kais and 15 Mitsubishi F-2s of the JASDF destroyed 85 Antares fighter planes (isekai Mitsubishi A6M5 Zero) of the Gra Valkas Empire. EDIT: The battle between the Antares fighters and the Japanese Eagles is not included in Vol. 5 of Nihonkoku Shoukan (but included in Vol. 6 which will be out in Nov. or Dec. 2019) but it is already in the web novel version.
You know, I say this every time I find a copy of this scene, but kudos to the Zero pilots. They obviously knew what they were doing and had no interest in trying to run. The fact that they were hilariously outmatched tech wise doesn't negate the fact that they were quite clearly very good pilots. Which is obvious, since the attack on Pearl Harbor wouldn't have been the greenest noobs the IJN had available
@@Dogflight1477 because of it's maneuvering capabilities. It more than holds it's own vs most airframes at 4.3BR much less 3.3/4.0. True,it catches fire if You look at it too long in anything w/a .50c or better,but it's a hard plane to hit when flown by a capable pilot.
Michael Tan It's actually nonsense, the F-14 could have just wide-circled the area from 6-7000 feet without any chance for the Zeros to even see them let alone get close to them...and then they would just have to fire to AIM-9 missiles to knock them down. Operative dogfight area of a WW2 Zero is ridiculous compared to today's 30-35 mile diameter...would be like 2 flys moving around a tiny area while being circled by big eagles from far away able to strike them easily in any moment.
Actually since the F14 is retired I can comment on it as a retired F18 pilot. The interesting thing about this fantasy scenario is that a zero could win a guns dogfight with an F14 if and only if the zero pilot was smart enough to stay slow and above the F14 at all times. Even with it's huge wingspan the F14 was not a good dogfighter up close and slow (too heavy, it was designed as an interceptor after all, i.e. missles). It simply would never have a turn rate to match a much lighter craft like a zero. Now of course the tomcat could just light the burners and zoom on out and up but that's the point he couldn't win in a guns fight unless he zoomed in at a higher alt. But as you saw from that clip the tomcat did take a dive when he tried to follow the zero down, again too heavy to maintain alt and match the speed of the zero. No comment on the F18 :)
In reality, U.S. Navy aviators felt the same way about Japanese Zeros prior to it's entry into WWII. This was to prove unfortunate until a brilliant aviator, John S. Tach who actually read and believed the reports of the Zero's superior manueverability, developed the "Thach weave" which when employed by two fighters, would help to defeat the Zero. Then shortly afterward, the U.S. captured a fully intact Zero and learned its full capabilities, which led to the development of the F6F Hellcat and the rest is as they say, "history".
@@baconatoromg6062 you’re joking right? Man do you have any idea how fast the tomcat is? Before the zero even finishes its turn, the tomcat would be 2-3 kilometers away from it. Also, take note of the fact, that even tho AIM-9’s are IR, or to put it simply a heat seeker, the tomcat carried radar guided missiles, which doesn’t need a heat source, only a radar lock, and the tomcat’s radar will lock onto that zero and guide the SARH/ARH homing missiles to that zero and destroy it. gg tomcat vs zero is fair and balanced i see nothing wrong
The only special effects were the open cockpit close-ups of the Japanese pilots and RC models for the shoot down scenes. Everything else was 100% real aerial photography.
A small point to what you commented. . . the last "Zero" destroyed (sidewinder missile) was a model. A number of year ago at the Nation Air and Space Museum they had a lecture on the FC movie and this scene was the highlight of the event. Think about it the premier Naval Fighter of their era DOGFIGHTING, so very cool!
According to a "Making of The Final Countdown", There were serious questions asked by brass about "how close was that" (to hitting the water), referring to the F-14 pull out at about 2:50 of this video. Also that Katharine Ross (Girl in the water) was a anti military bitch who refused to meet the actual Navy pilots doing the flying. So they sent her a nasty note via a sign on the daily's (raw video from the shoot sent for viewing by the studio and actors on a "daily" bases)...
okrajoe yeah but that Vulcan cannon at the F-14 has it with her with a ripped at 0 to shreds in mid-air. There wouldn't have been any Survivor what about her airplane the Glide down to the ocean
My squadron used to provide some pretty darn expensive target drones for training fighter crews as well as ground and air radar tracking personnel in the 1970's. What a show. I loved watching the fighters go threw their drills and real time simulations.
@Eric Actually they do have them, though that might be due to recent advances in encryption that means you couldn't brute-force decode them before the heat death of the universe. Still, it's not true that the aircraft almost hit the water, the zoom-in is used to make it look a lot closer to the water than it actually is. Pilot was in complete control the whole time.
@Eric Absolutely not, if the Tomcat had suffered a compressor stall with the engines they had back then it would have been irrecoverable and he'd have been dead. That rumour originated in an ancient and long-gone blog post, and has no merit to it.
One of my favorite parts of any movie is the music change and the fangs come out as the wings go back on the Tomcats! You also have to love the respect the Tomcat guys are NOT showing the Zero's both aircraft at one time or another turn off and show their bellies to the Zero's. I would also think a nice mach 1.2 pass past the Zero's would have damn near blown them apart without even firing a shot.
The production manager in charge of arial photography commented that the scene was indeed a near crash. The Tomcat stalled after completing a rolling dive and the pilot managed the recovery only 100' above the waves. There was a rumor that the Navy confiscated all the footage from the cameras mounted on Navy aircraft but the studio leased B25 camera plane and Bell 206 Jet Ranger were able to keep the footage that ended up in the movie.
Rumour would be incorrect since the shot of the Vulcan firing is clearly from a camera mounted on the plane, and the pilot said he was in complete control the whole time.
Actually it was a near crash, buddy of mine flew for this movie and the pilot of the f14 was in big trouble since they weren’t supposed to risk the aircraft.
No it wasn't. That's a rumour that started long after production, if an F-14A were to stall out at that low an altitude the pilot would be dead because one or both engines would have suffered compressor stalls and flamed out. It's just that the zoom-in makes the plane look closer to the water than it actually was, simple camera tricks.
I saw this film in the movies when it was released in 1980. Yes, the pilot nearly hitting the water was talked about, but in the actual commentary (many years later) the actual pilot said that was not the case and said he was never in any danger of hitting the water.
The Zero had 20mm cannon located in its wing roots, not machine guns. The 20 mm had a slower rate of fire and a different firing sound than depicted in the film. When straffing the survivors, the pilot would have undoubtedly used his twin 7.7 machine guns firing through the propellor.
That was a great movie for its time. My dad was in HAWAII during WW2. HE was on the opposite side on the big island., manning a FLACK GUN.HEreally ENJOYED this movie.
"Hey Fox, that woke 'em up..."......god I loved this scene when I saw this in the theater as a kid......the good old days when they could paint up the fighters, not like today with everything subdued.....those Jolly Rogers tails are awesome
When the Tomcat pulled up in front of the Zero like that, the jetwash ripped off the Zero pilot's radio in his helmet. They could not communicate with the pilot
Here, here, great film! This is still one of my favorite scenes in movies period. It makes you ponder what if? And watching this terribly lopsided dog fight is fun!
David Aiken It's a shame they didnt actually intervene in the war, it would have been way more awesome to see a nimitz leading a U.S. fleet against Japan, but oh well.
Like a Tiger going up against a little mouse. Funny how the Zeros are going max speed while the Tomcats are at borderline stall speed. I believe these replica Zeros are the same ones used in "Tora Tora Tora" Also I can imagine those Zero pilots were like "What in the name of the empire are these alien like aircraft!"
c431inf 11b have you seen any films recently? 'Unbreakable', where the hero is a USAAF bomber crewman. 'Saving Private Ryan', where every main character is a US Army Soldier. The 'Transformers' series, where the military kills a bunch of evil robots. 'American Sniper', which is about a US Navy SEAL in the Iraq War. 'Flags of our Fathers' and 'Letters From Iwo Jima', which both show American Marines exhibiting great bravery. 'Fortress' and 'Red Tails', which are both about the USAAF in WWII. 'Fury', which is about a US Army tank crew in WWII. And 'U-517', which actually gives America credit for what Britons and Australians did!
So just a question could an AIM-9 actually get a lock on a Mitsubishi A6M zero? The thing was designed for attacking jets I mean could there be enough heat to pick up? And the other thing is the M-61 aircraft cannon would have made Swiss cheese out of that Zeke with 20mm explosive tipped rounds and the zeros lack of armour would have turned it into splinters literary
Well, the AIM-9 would have a very small chance of getting a lock on the exhaust of a piston powered aircraft, but the Zeros would have been on patrol for awhile if they were that far away from their carrier fleet, so the engines would have been running the whole time (obviously) so the cowling and the surrounding area might have enough of an IR signature for the missile to be able to lock on. And yes, the M-61 should have ripped the A6M apart, but remember, it IS a movie after all...
Yes an AIM-9 Sidewinder could get a good tone from a Mitsubishi ZERO. But there's another way to shout down a WWII Fighter plane with an AIM-9 and it called..."FIRING LINE OF SIGHT" P-51's were fitted to carry rockets under it wings.
If you got the DVD of this movie, they have a one hour interview with the Jolly Rogers who did the flying. That was one of the last things in the interview brought up, when the moment came of the storm re-appearing when Nimitz Strike Force was 4 minutes away from intercept. Brown said they could have gone in with 2 Tomcats and wipe out the whole fleet.
i wonder how would the Germans Me-262s feel when they encounter F-14 tomcats. i know the allies also have jets like the Gloster Meteor so perhaps they would not be so sock when they encounter jets.
Its amazing to think the time gap between the 1st zero and 1st F14 was only 31 years. The gap between this film and now is 42 years
I couldn't believe your statement about the mere 31-year gap, so I looked it up. Sure enough, A6M's first flight 1st April '39 (not a very auspicious date, I guess), Tomcat's first flight 21st December 1970. Astounding progress in such a short period. Then again, we're talking about two very different countries with two very different peoples.
The air to air missile might've been overkill. I think the missile was more expensive than the zero.
You get this is a movie right?
Agreed 477000$ is the advertised cost of 1 Phoenix Missile. (google). No wonder why commanding officers freak out when pilots use Hellfires on camels and jeeps!!
CSM101 still more expensive.
Phoenixs are WAY more expensive.
Sidewinders are just more expensive
Daniel Cannata the US navy pilots were enjoying feeling great ,toying with ancient combat plane. Really fun. But it will be a nightmare if they meet same class opponent
Expensive or not, if you're going up against a hostile aircraft as a pilot, would you avoid using your best weapon simply to save some money?
The Zero is going as fast as it was designed to go while the F-14 is close to stalling several times.
the one scene where the F-14 drops very close to the water and you can hear the engines screaming....that was not intended, the aircraft actually stalled in real life from the low speed maneuvers and the pilot had to rapidly go to max power and pull out, which in early F-14A's was very dangerous because of an engine design problem that often led to a flame out of one or both engines when rapidly transitioning from low power to max power.
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I remember reading that they kept the scene where he almost ditched it in the movie. Makes more sense now when I watch that :)
Exactly what I was thinking
Yeah F14s is stalling
@@22steve5150 2:48 ? You mean that one?
The change of tone in this scene is actually scary.
At first, F-14s are toying around, playing, in an almost lighthearted way.
As soon as they are given to take down the Zeros, playtime is over. At that very moment, both Zeros are already done for. Suddenly, the F-14s turn into relentless monsters…
Beware of "Tomcats" with wings retracted. You're about to be whacked...
The call was already a death sentence to the zeros
Kirk's favourite playtime was with Natalie.
Can you imagine being a pilot in the 1940's flying what was for the time a modern single prop plane, and seeing planes with NO props zoom by you at twice your maximum speed, and perform maneuvers you couldn't even dream of doing?
Kinda like what some of our commercial airline pilots have experienced with the "Tic Tac UFO's .
The closest thing would be Atlantic front pilots seeing the ME262.
I would panic internally over something I'd think as UFO
@@aspopulvera9130 your panic would turn to terror as soon as you saw the US markings!
An F-14 vs a Zero is like Darth Vader vs Bambi
Or Chuck Norris vs. anything!
But Darth Vader died and Bambi lived. Whose side are you on?
well...Bambi lived...for a short while...
Bambi's mom was shot when he was a fawn. But Bambi grew up to be a proud buck. The Great Prince of the Forest raises him.
I do not know if I should feel sorry for myself for knowing this or not. I am 45 years old and have no children so I can not use the, "I have kids," defense.
Indrid Cold hunting season comes every year, on the dinner plate bambi goes.
This is still the only movie that depicts the proper sound of an M-61 Vulcan cannon firing.
+Mitja Vertot Depending on where it hit, yes. The shots would have to go right into the engine only to have a chance of keeping the plane from shredding. At least they correctly modeled what a Sidewinder would do to a Zero (i.e. not much left).
Would have sawn it in half
Fast. And music to MY ears.
And for my next trick I will now saw a zero in half.....buuuuuuurrrrrrrp
Wasn't there one in 'Jarhead'?
a Typical War Thunder match making system.
Edit: wow thanks for the 2.5k likes! This is the highest I have achieved so far!
lol
gotta love(or hate) how broken War Thunder's match making system is.
yesss
my A6M5 otsu vs P80&F84 lol
Yep.. Jets facing prop planes seems legit
You're flying the fastest, extant, model fighter in existence and suddenly these two things blow past you like you're standing still, gotta feel for the Zero Pilots
after they just murdered a defenseless person in the water...heck no, shame is they died too quick
@@johnbanks4761 I would like to see what those pilots' ancestors did to them in the afterlife for dishonoring their bloodlines with that murder.
The most unrealistic part is that an A6M2 didn't get literally shredded by a burst of 20mm vulcan rounds.
Yeah man, considered that they were among the most fragile aircraft in WW2.
But the thing is, is that those rounds would have gone straight through the aircraft without exploding
@@TheDolphinator8 And they still would have shred it. Zero's were brought down by .50 cal solid slugs. The 20mm cannon on an F-14 has a higher rate of fire than all of the .50's on an American WW2 fighter combined. So, even if the rounds didn't explode, it still would have sawed a Zero in half.
@@Elthenar But the pilot had to live as a part of the plot
Guess he didnt wanna over kill lol
Bit his buddy did with that missile lol
That sidewinder cost more than a zero. Way to go Alert One!
Not to mention that the Sidewinder was designed no hit jets, not piston engined aircraft with a low thermal signature.
They couldn't let those Zekes get anywhere near the carrier, lest they open fire on a bunch of aircraft just sitting there on the flight deck (with no time to get them down below); the collective value of those planes were worth far more than just one sidewinder missile!
+Lucian Ene Mid-generation Sidewinders like the ones used here could lock onto a truck engine. Late-model Sidewinders like the ones used today can lock onto the friction an aircraft's winds create against the air.
Even when you take the inflation into account?
also there is the possibility to slave the aim9x to the plane's IR sensors so it can track a low thermal signature as long as the plane keeps it targeted
The part where the Tomcat stalled and almost crashed was a real stomach-crushing moment for me
That was not scripted, the pilot really did stall out trying to fly slow enough to stay behind the zero replica flying full speed. This was at low altitude, and was almost a crash.
Kenneth Draper Another thing about that part as well is that part of the sound effect is the pilots wife screaming while watching the footage.
+pontiacGXPfan Yeah, you and the pilot.
+pontiacGXPfan Its kind of hard to get an aircraft that can get up to 1544 mph flying in the same scene as an aircraft that goes 330 mph max. No CGI back then, so the F-14's had to fly at stall speed.
+porpus99 Fun fact about the sound effects is that they added the scream of the pilot's wife from when she was shown that scene in a pre-screening session.
Each time I see this I have to ask myself,
"Why'd he waste a missile on that Zero?"
Each time I watch the explosion I have to ask myself,
"Where did the Zero's fuselage go?"
+Karuiko to answer your question, the A6M Zero was, for the most part, made out of plywood. The fuselage is now thousands of tiny splinters.
US forces always want to feel invincible. Just same as F22. Only war will be the real judge.
Because he can.
Karuiko it's 1900s movies , it can't be very realistic
3:40 When your little sister starts to actually win so suddenly you have to actually try.
According to one of the F-14 pilots ('Shoes' Mullin), the Zeros were going absolutely as fast as they could at only 120 - 130 knots (top speed was 150 knots, but the canopy open reduced the speed due to drag) while the F-14 Tomcats were close to their stall speed of 100 knots. In reality, the F-14s would have lit the burners and gone vertical and then came down hard from the top on them in order maintain the high energy state while keeping up with the extremely slow Zeroes.
Yep; I'd have thought that kind of battle wouldn't necessarily have been as simple as it's supposed to look. The F-14s weren't really designed to fight aircraft flying so slow without using missiles at much longer ranges. Getting in that close was potentially slightly risky when instead they could've fired Sparrows from over 25 miles away.
The Zero's are replica A6Ms that were originally built for the movie Tora, Tora, Tora.
+cgrant26 They are T-6s that are painted in Japanese colors
+AllThingsFlightSim
They are indeed, thanks. They had fairly extensive vismods done to them beyond just the paint job though.
More info here:
www.warbirddepot.com/aircraft_fighters_zero-jackson.asp
The easiest way to spot if a T-6 has been modified to look like something else is to look at the wing leading edges. The T-6 has its main wheels tucked into two bulges that protrude slightly from the wing leading edges, close to the fuselage, below the cockpit.
cgrant26 - saw a replica Zero at EAA a few years back. Pretty neat bird close up!
Also, deez idiots flying with their canopies open XD
In my opinion f14 tomcats are my favorite aircraft.
Well, when it comes to which aircraft is *your* favorite, your opinion is the only one that counts ;)
Yeah lol
Tomcat The Ace, The tomcat may not be the best, but she is certainly one of the coolest planes in history.
You leave your opinion open to debate?
In my opinion Messerschmitt Bf-109s are your favourite aircraft.
i love how they used real vulcan sound effect instead 50 cal mG when f-14 firing...
+Nigel Nathan did you even understand my comment?
it seems everybody did not understand my comment either 😂
I heard it and was going to make an A-10 comment
Agreed. However, having known a couple of USN pilots from the Pacific theater when growing up, just a couple of hits from the 20mm Vulcan would have ripped the motor off the Zeke, if it didn't shred the whole aircraft. We had a P-38 pilot a few doors down from us who said just two good hits with the P-38's 20mm cannon would "dismount the motor" on the Zero but it took five or six hits to blow one off a Betty Bomber.
Brrrt
LOL this is so unfair, shows how far technology has gotten in just 70 years.
39 years.
1980 - 1941 = 39.
boogyman489 cold war truths bitch
jpowell180 Even less when you consider the F14 was a 70s plane.
actually, it was 39 years for that ship (1980 going back to 1941). And it's been another 39 years since that movie came out. It seems like outside of computers, we haven't advanced all that much in the last 39 years, not like they advanced in the previous 39 years.
F-14 Tomcat defeats A6M5 ZERO because all World War 2 aircraft including A6M5 ZERO do not carry Air-to-Air Missiles. F-14 is a Cold War-era Aircraft while A6M5 ZERO is World War 2-era Aircraft.
F14: *omae wa mou shindeiru*
ZERO: *NANI!!*
Is this War Thunder BR system?
Fucking undertiered american planes. nerf when?
Soon...
Ashot Games
to be fair: in War Thunder the US guy would've gotten shot down by the Zero
+Emilio Vega (SteelRonin) OMFG,I laughed too hard.
Emilio Vega xD
The Tomcat with the Jolly Roger emblem is the most badass looking fighter ever .
"I can't swim!"...says the nimrod who went out on a boat in the ocean.
"I can't fly!" ... says the nimrod who went in an aircraft in the sky.
i think a plane back in WWI or WWII was called the nimrod
The MR.2 Nimrod was a sub hunter aircraft built in the late 60's off the DeHaviland Comet airframe and flown by the RAF. The RAF retired them from service in 2011.
In the Bible, Nimrod was also the great-grandson of Noah and listed as a "mighty hunter before the Lord".
Daniel Haire
The words translated as "mighty hunter" can also be translated as "tyrant."
Nimrod was a despot, the first king, and the first to combine religion and the state together.
Watch the Fuel Project's videos about him and his dysfunctional family. It's pretty interesting.
It was this movie, not Top Gun, that gave me a hard on for F-14's. I saw this on release with my brother when I was seven. It blew my mind.
A fricken men!!! I hate necromancy, but I had to say it!
This was one of my favorite movies as a kid. I use to hum this theme song when I was in the carrier pattern in my F18 :)
There is just something so poetic about seeing these tech marvels of different ages flying around with each other.
Name of the movie please
@@davidcastro5516 final countdown
First, to maneuver with a A6M, the F-14s would be just above stall speed. Second, does the exhaust from the Zero engine have enough of a heat signature for an AIM-9?
Yes.
No.
Yes.
We have a Yes and a No.When the early Sidewinder was developed, the seeker could track a cigarette, but I have no idea how far cigarette was from the seeker.
The original IR sensor did. However, this would not be the original 1953 variant but the AIM-9L all-aspect developed in 1977. It still had the sensitivity but didn't get easily get spoofed by other IR/heat sources.
Also, as they never encountered the Sidewinder, the Zero pilots would never have known about the sun trick.
Fun fact, in the story, this aircraft carrier was sent back 39 years into the past (1980-1941), and it's been 39 years since this movie was made, so right now in 2019 we are just as far in the future compared to the ship and crew in the movie as the Pearl Harbor attack was in the past to them.
The sad thing is the tech hasn't changed significantly.
@@andreww.8262 lmao maybe some look but they’re a lot faster, agile, and need a lot less speed to take off, a lot of modern crafts can hover. Whether we see them or not is up to the government
A typical War Thunder match making system XD
Next there should be a nimrod (biplane) vs. An F-22 Raptor
swordfish v. f-35
I 15 shaika vs F15 Eagle
1 15 Chaika you mean
Wright flyer versus falcon 9
Leonardo's helicopter versus the millennium falcon
The guys in the Zero's probably thought the gods have come to punish them.
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams
One of my all-time favorite film sequences. Love this whole scene.
"Splash the Zeros, i say again splash the Zeros". I love that line. What a beautiful and powerfull plane, the F14. Hornets and F35 are cool and all that... but a real man flies an F14.
F14 vs Zeros? damn fix the goddamm match making
#related to War Thunder the next WoT and WoWP
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Glock Lover its all about that sekrit dokumints
Anthony Smith YOU HAVE LEAKED THE SKRIT DOKUMIENTS, to GULAG WITH YOU
It's an old movie asshole
Zero pilots: "Tomcats OP, plz nerf!"
US DOD: "Perfectly balanced, working as intended."
A similar battle between modern jet fighters and WW2-era fighter planes also happened in a Japanese light novel and its web novel version. In Nihonkoku Shoukan (Summoning Japan), 12 F-15J Kais and 15 Mitsubishi F-2s of the JASDF destroyed 85 Antares fighter planes (isekai Mitsubishi A6M5 Zero) of the Gra Valkas Empire.
EDIT: The battle between the Antares fighters and the Japanese Eagles is not included in Vol. 5 of Nihonkoku Shoukan (but included in Vol. 6 which will be out in Nov. or Dec. 2019) but it is already in the web novel version.
get them to fight a raptor or a felon with a biplane
You know shit's real when you bring a f15j to a ww2, biplane, ufo, dragon and wyvern fight
God I miss the F-14 Tomcat! One of the most beautiful aircraft of all time!
When you advance faster up the tech tree than others in a Civ game.
You know, I say this every time I find a copy of this scene, but kudos to the Zero pilots. They obviously knew what they were doing and had no interest in trying to run. The fact that they were hilariously outmatched tech wise doesn't negate the fact that they were quite clearly very good pilots. Which is obvious, since the attack on Pearl Harbor wouldn't have been the greenest noobs the IJN had available
war thunder
BR 3.7 x.......BR 25?
great movie!!!
maybe and me262 would be more accurate, those 4 30mm and the 24 unguided missiles, can rip appart anything
marcox43 you mean unguided Rockets
Still dunno how the fuck is zero 3.7
@@Dogflight1477 because of it's maneuvering capabilities. It more than holds it's own vs most airframes at 4.3BR much less 3.3/4.0. True,it catches fire if You look at it too long in anything w/a .50c or better,but it's a hard plane to hit when flown by a capable pilot.
@@seanham4040 Still, a lit if planes even on lower B. R have lower turn times
I haven't even got an idea if thise stats are real anymore
This should be in War Thunder xD
finally fuck them Mig-15's up haha
Besides an f14 it would be a mig29 against some ad2s
Michael Tan
It's actually nonsense, the F-14 could have just wide-circled the area from 6-7000 feet without any chance for the Zeros to even see them let alone get close to them...and then they would just have to fire to AIM-9 missiles to knock them down.
Operative dogfight area of a WW2 Zero is ridiculous compared to today's 30-35 mile diameter...would be like 2 flys moving around a tiny area while being circled by big eagles from far away able to strike them easily in any moment.
Actually since the F14 is retired I can comment on it as a retired F18 pilot. The interesting thing about this fantasy scenario is that a zero could win a guns dogfight with an F14 if and only if the zero pilot was smart enough to stay slow and above the F14 at all times. Even with it's huge wingspan the F14 was not a good dogfighter up close and slow (too heavy, it was designed as an interceptor after all, i.e. missles). It simply would never have a turn rate to match a much lighter craft like a zero. Now of course the tomcat could just light the burners and zoom on out and up but that's the point he couldn't win in a guns fight unless he zoomed in at a higher alt. But as you saw from that clip the tomcat did take a dive when he tried to follow the zero down, again too heavy to maintain alt and match the speed of the zero. No comment on the F18 :)
A.E. W. so you're saying the hornet could take a tomcat in a guns only fight?
"F-14s against Zeros" sounds like it was thought up in history class by a daydreaming twelve year old boy.
I wouldnt be able to fly an F-14 against those zeros. Id be laughing to hard!
+Davidson1873 Yeah I know what you mean. Almost like putting a Apache Helicopter against a Fokker DR-I.
In reality, U.S. Navy aviators felt the same way about Japanese Zeros prior to it's entry into WWII. This was to prove unfortunate until a brilliant aviator, John S. Tach who actually read and believed the reports of the Zero's superior manueverability, developed the "Thach weave" which when employed by two fighters, would help to defeat the Zero. Then shortly afterward, the U.S. captured a fully intact Zero and learned its full capabilities, which led to the development of the F6F Hellcat and the rest is as they say, "history".
I'd hate to have to destroy such a historic aircraft
@@theborg5981 you wouldn't be able to because the zero would out turn and destroy an f-14
@@baconatoromg6062 you’re joking right? Man do you have any idea how fast the tomcat is? Before the zero even finishes its turn, the tomcat would be 2-3 kilometers away from it. Also, take note of the fact, that even tho AIM-9’s are IR, or to put it simply a heat seeker, the tomcat carried radar guided missiles, which doesn’t need a heat source, only a radar lock, and the tomcat’s radar will lock onto that zero and guide the SARH/ARH homing missiles to that zero and destroy it. gg tomcat vs zero is fair and balanced i see nothing wrong
"Uh, Eagle One, bandits' airspeed insufficient for intercept. Requesting permission to get out and walk, over."
One of my favorite scenes from one of my all-time favorite movies. The real star(s) of the movie were the _USS Nimitz_ & crew.
Here again because War Thunder is bringing the F14 to the game. This scene is now viable.
F14: trying to shot me bro
Zero: umm yes because I'm powerful
F14: sure about that
Boom
Fascinating special effects for the time.
The only special effects were the open cockpit close-ups of the Japanese pilots and RC models for the shoot down scenes. Everything else was 100% real aerial photography.
A small point to what you commented. . . the last "Zero" destroyed (sidewinder missile) was a model. A number of year ago at the Nation Air and Space Museum they had a lecture on the FC movie and this scene was the highlight of the event. Think about it the premier Naval Fighter of their era DOGFIGHTING, so very cool!
the one that hit the water is clearly a model too... look at the size of that wave
According to a "Making of The Final Countdown", There were serious questions asked by brass about "how close was that" (to hitting the water), referring to the F-14 pull out at about 2:50 of this video. Also that Katharine Ross (Girl in the water) was a anti military bitch who refused to meet the actual Navy pilots doing the flying. So they sent her a nasty note via a sign on the daily's (raw video from the shoot sent for viewing by the studio and actors on a "daily" bases)...
okrajoe yeah but that Vulcan cannon at the F-14 has it with her with a ripped at 0 to shreds in mid-air. There wouldn't have been any Survivor what about her airplane the Glide down to the ocean
Reminds me of the times where I got seal clubbed in War Thunder
Zero pilots: "Tomcats OP, plz nerf!"
US DOD: "Perfectly balanced, working as intended."
The US pilots had been toying with the Zeros all the time
Like what the cats would do to their prey rats
Flop Flip I guess we can say they have... Zero chance of survival.
bud um chum
Even when we had the Tomcat's grandfather the F6F hellcat, those Zeros got toyed with ease.
My squadron used to provide some pretty darn expensive target drones for training fighter crews as well as ground and air radar tracking personnel in the 1970's. What a show. I loved watching the fighters go threw their drills and real time simulations.
Terry Russel
Japanese pilot: I'll just hide in this soup, they won't find me in here.
F-14: Tag! Your it!
F-14: Radar says no ^^
In my own opinion the F14 Tomcat is my favorite aircraft to ever fly in the United States Navy
Nah, f4u corsair
_ Meg678 _
The F7F though.
So who’s here from bf 2042
I think that F14 seriously almost crashed into the water in that low maneuver.
It actually almost did
when they showed the movie to navy brass for approval, *they left that bit out*
No they didn't. You really think the blackbox wouldn't record a stall warning? They check these things.
thooke222 He did almost put himself in the water! He had a long "heart-to-heart" with his CO over that one!!
@Eric
Actually they do have them, though that might be due to recent advances in encryption that means you couldn't brute-force decode them before the heat death of the universe.
Still, it's not true that the aircraft almost hit the water, the zoom-in is used to make it look a lot closer to the water than it actually is. Pilot was in complete control the whole time.
@Eric
Absolutely not, if the Tomcat had suffered a compressor stall with the engines they had back then it would have been irrecoverable and he'd have been dead. That rumour originated in an ancient and long-gone blog post, and has no merit to it.
If I was in a prop plane and there's a jet after me, I'd be sh*ting my pants 😂
Zero pilot: Waaaait how they flyin without
propellers
they ailen?
I think would be hard to see the propeller of the enemy plane. 0s probably didn't see the propellers of hellcats.
Me 262 was a german jet aircraft in ww2 so I think they already have some knowledge.
@@k.a.p.x3642 Yeah but this is late 1941, jets were mostly conceptual at that time.
One of my favorite parts of any movie is the music change and the fangs come out as the wings go back on the Tomcats! You also have to love the respect the Tomcat guys are NOT showing the Zero's both aircraft at one time or another turn off and show their bellies to the Zero's. I would also think a nice mach 1.2 pass past the Zero's would have damn near blown them apart without even firing a shot.
Considering all Japanese naval aircraft at the time were made of wood to reduce weight, this seems plausible.
Imagine this scene in Top Gun.
Maverick : Greetings ! *flips the bird*
Goose : Watch the Birdie ! *FLASH*
A6M Pilot : What. The. Hell ?!
Most beautiful jet fighter ever built.
It’s like watching a cat play with it’s food, before completely destroying it.
I saw this movie in the early 80's I loved it! ... lately I saw Top Gun Maverick and I loved that too... the F14 has not lost its cool! 👍✈️
無抵抗な人に機銃掃射するのって、米兵が日本人によくやっていたことじゃん
そうそう、逃げまどう民間人相手にね
The production manager in charge of arial photography commented that the scene was indeed a near crash. The Tomcat stalled after completing a rolling dive and the pilot managed the recovery only 100' above the waves.
There was a rumor that the Navy confiscated all the footage from the cameras mounted on Navy aircraft but the studio leased B25 camera plane and Bell 206 Jet Ranger were able to keep the footage that ended up in the movie.
Rumour would be incorrect since the shot of the Vulcan firing is clearly from a camera mounted on the plane, and the pilot said he was in complete control the whole time.
Actually it was a near crash, buddy of mine flew for this movie and the pilot of the f14 was in big trouble since they weren’t supposed to risk the aircraft.
No it wasn't. That's a rumour that started long after production, if an F-14A were to stall out at that low an altitude the pilot would be dead because one or both engines would have suffered compressor stalls and flamed out. It's just that the zoom-in makes the plane look closer to the water than it actually was, simple camera tricks.
I saw this film in the movies when it was released in 1980. Yes, the pilot nearly hitting the water was talked about, but in the actual commentary (many years later) the actual pilot said that was not the case and said he was never in any danger of hitting the water.
The Zero had 20mm cannon located in its wing roots, not machine guns. The 20 mm had a slower rate of fire and a different firing sound than depicted in the film. When straffing the survivors, the pilot would have undoubtedly used his twin 7.7 machine guns firing through the propellor.
It is because these planes are NOT Mitsubishi A6Ms - they've used Texans. For a civilian movie fan it makes no too much difference
That was a great movie for its time. My dad was in HAWAII during WW2. HE was on the opposite side on the big island., manning a FLACK GUN.HEreally ENJOYED this movie.
"Hey Fox, that woke 'em up..."......god I loved this scene when I saw this in the theater as a kid......the good old days when they could paint up the fighters, not like today with everything subdued.....those Jolly Rogers tails are awesome
When the Tomcat pulled up in front of the Zero like that, the jetwash ripped off the Zero pilot's radio in his helmet. They could not communicate with the pilot
F-14 VS zero
Me: hah F-14 is gonna win easy
*f-14 gets shot down by Zero*
Me:* grabs bleach* *pours over eyes*
Zeros are quite dominate at dogfights
as a kid I loved this film very much. I think I still do.
whats the ñame of this film
Final countdown
JnCmanufacturing that's kinda random. Who and for what ?
Here, here, great film! This is still one of my favorite scenes in movies period. It makes you ponder what if? And watching this terribly lopsided dog fight is fun!
David Aiken It's a shame they didnt actually intervene in the war, it would have been way more awesome to see a nimitz leading a U.S. fleet against Japan, but oh well.
I still think, next to the F15, the Tomcat was the sexiest thing to grace the skys.
Sad that the only country in the world that flies the F-14 these days is *Iran*.
jpowell180 Israel flys some too
Concorde
The Tomcat and Spitfire's IMO are the two sexist aircraft ever
F-15 is ugly, F-16 is way nicer
all this is so stupid yet so sweet. our inner child is loving it
you are part of my childhood!!!!thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in truth, the zeros would be nothing but target, unless the f-14 showed down and got into a turning dogfight contest with them.
+NWTactical Yeah; one burp of the Vulcan would vape the Zero in less than a second.
that is what the P-38's did. They had around 100 MPH advantage over the zero. They would fly in shoot them up and zoom away for another pass.
art carney
Not to mention that the .50 calibre machine guns would rip the A6M to shreds.
and a single 20mm cannon the P-38 had 4 50 and a single 20 mm
art carney
Oh, right, excuse me. I mistook what you were talking about as a P-51.
I wish they would make a new film like this movie.
Or they could do what TFA did and make it all using old-er effects.
unfortunately it would be ruined buy CGI... Fly the real aircraft or don't make the movie at all
Top Gun will have a sequel and I knew this from an aviation magazine
lol when the first zero went down you could tell it was a toy crashing into the water
you didnt expected they to crash a real AT-6 into the water did you
sparrowlt yeah haha I thought they would
Great movie. One of my favorites as a kid 😁👍🏻
Like a Tiger going up against a little mouse. Funny how the Zeros are going max speed while the Tomcats are at borderline stall speed. I believe these replica Zeros are the same ones used in "Tora Tora Tora" Also I can imagine those Zero pilots were like "What in the name of the empire are these alien like aircraft!"
OK Hollywood remake this it would be awesome with F22's and a modern carrier.
I don't think F-22s are used on carriers. Do you mean the F-35 or F/A-18?
What would a remake really add to it?
Hip Hop and smartphones?
I think this film is perfect the way it is and needs no remake.
No f22s are land based fighters. f35s have vtol capabilities and are multi role fighters
hollywood would never , it promotes patriotism and thats against the lefts agenda for global agenda
c431inf 11b have you seen any films recently? 'Unbreakable', where the hero is a USAAF bomber crewman. 'Saving Private Ryan', where every main character is a US Army Soldier. The 'Transformers' series, where the military kills a bunch of evil robots. 'American Sniper', which is about a US Navy SEAL in the Iraq War. 'Flags of our Fathers' and 'Letters From Iwo Jima', which both show American Marines exhibiting great bravery. 'Fortress' and 'Red Tails', which are both about the USAAF in WWII. 'Fury', which is about a US Army tank crew in WWII. And 'U-517', which actually gives America credit for what Britons and Australians did!
Tyrannosaurus in F14s!
Calvin and Hobbes
Просто праздник американского военного духа, столкнуться в бою с противником из позапрошлого столетия.
Zeros: Flying casually
*F-14s zoom pass
Zeros: HOLY SHIT A UFO
I love how the music changes after he says "splash the zeros".
It's like it's saying: "Enough games, now you die"
War Thunder's battle-rating system be like
The 225677th Fragment of the Man-Emperor of Mankind new war thunder missile be like
Typical
It's really NOT one of my favorite fighters, but I've gotta admit there is nothing quite as striking as an F-14 with the VF-84 Jolly Rogers markings.
So just a question could an AIM-9 actually get a lock on a Mitsubishi A6M zero? The thing was designed for attacking jets I mean could there be enough heat to pick up? And the other thing is the M-61 aircraft cannon would have made Swiss cheese out of that Zeke with 20mm explosive tipped rounds and the zeros lack of armour would have turned it into splinters literary
Good question about the AIM-9. I doubt it'd be able to acquire a lock, but that burst from the M61 should've disintegrated the A6M2.
Well, the AIM-9 would have a very small chance of getting a lock on the exhaust of a piston powered aircraft, but the Zeros would have been on patrol for awhile if they were that far away from their carrier fleet, so the engines would have been running the whole time (obviously) so the cowling and the surrounding area might have enough of an IR signature for the missile to be able to lock on. And yes, the M-61 should have ripped the A6M apart, but remember, it IS a movie after all...
The Real Superhavoc Don't forget that with all that daylight flight they would've been baking in the sun and throwing off that much more IR.
blackjac5000 Good point, I completely forgot about that factor.
Yes an AIM-9 Sidewinder could get a good tone from a Mitsubishi ZERO. But there's another way to shout down a WWII Fighter plane with an AIM-9 and it called..."FIRING LINE OF SIGHT" P-51's were fitted to carry rockets under it wings.
such a crime this film didn't get the oscar for best picture
It's like a dove trying to evade a bald eagle 🦅
I would have liked to see them go up against the entire Japanese fleet. Stop Pearl from happening.
If you got the DVD of this movie, they have a one hour interview with the Jolly Rogers who did the flying. That was one of the last things in the interview brought up, when the moment came of the storm re-appearing when Nimitz Strike Force was 4 minutes away from intercept. Brown said they could have gone in with 2 Tomcats and wipe out the whole fleet.
Anyone notice how this was posted almost 15 years ago, just wow
CW Lemoine "Mover" talks to one of the pilots that flew the F14s in the movie about filming this scene. ua-cam.com/video/aMarzSNO5RI/v-deo.html
Zero: **panting** what the fuck are these
Tomcat: **not even sweating** c'mere rice boi.
That 20mm cannon from the Tomcat would have disintegrated that Zero into a fireball.
Splash the Zeros... but let them kill Oggy first.
In reality , there would have been nothing left of the first zero .
This vid was uploaded 10 years ago!
And I'm checking this video in the year of 3016, believe it or not.
Thats nice.....
And im a dog who shits rainbows
and I'm a rainbow who shits dogs
3017 here.
Japanese pilot: I swear to God if they don't stop raising the BRs on these....
For its age the f14 still looks sexy as hell.
i wonder how would the Germans Me-262s feel when they encounter F-14 tomcats. i know the allies also have jets like the Gloster Meteor so perhaps they would not be so sock when they encounter jets.
Me262: sucker mustangs, we are the fastest planes of the sky
Me262: scheiße, what was that grey blur?
Don't worry, the matchmaking will be patched on the next update
Seriously!? Cuz I'm tired of those symmetrical bs
Why are F-14 Tomcats, modern jet fighters, fighting Mitsubishi A6M Zeroes, a WW2 era fighter, in this movie?
Because they just strafed the hell outta that yacht.
Not to give the movie away but it kinda involves time travel...
From a movie..."The Final Countdown". An aircraft carrier went back in time to before the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Well, the ship will last only a few weeks, cant refuel
Actually, she's nuclear powered. She can operate for over 20 years without refueling.
I waited 2 weeks for this movie to come on TV and then the day it came on I was grounded bummer... In the 80's.
"I have tone, FOX-TWO!!" "It's a Hit, Splash second Zero!!"