Just blows my mind how the Nimitz at the time this was filmed was an incredible advanced ship. Their entire aircraft compliment would've wiped the Japanese fleet off the map without even going below the cloud layer. All the Japanese would see is fast white streaks coming down and then massive explosions on their decks.
@@Tonetwisters Senator: "What the hell kind of machine is this thing?!" (My Reaction: What's the matter Senator? You've look like you've never even seen nor heard of a Helicopter before you stupid thick headed numbskull?!)
I worked on the H3 sea king during my time in the Navy. And I can tell you the sound of the H3 in that movie is authentic. Many times in movies they dub in the sound of a different kind of helicopter like a Huey.
Probably because the movie production crew were allowed to use and access Naval Resources, like the real USS Nimitz and its air wing for authenticity. Only places they weren't allowed were classified zones on the Nimitz, i.e. the Nuclear Reactor rooms.
Just imagine for a moment that this modern nuclear powered aircraft carrier really did go back to 1941. It had more than enough firepower to take on the Japanese empire on it's own..
@Emmanuel Goldstein Yep, many alternate history novels have explored how this sort of scenario might play out 'in reality' and usually comes to the same conclusion... running out of (irreplaceable) missiles and bullets long before the war is over.
They have many more nuke bombs on the USS Nimitz than in the entire world of the 1940's... Due to this, the lonely Nimitz could end WW2 just like... a finger snap.
They conducted tests on nuking fleets at sea after ww2 to test if you could just delete entire formations of ships but some warships(battleships mostly) proved to be surprisingly resilient to the blast.(other than the relatively small "delete radius" of the bombs). Of course the crews would still die of radiation poisoning but they could probably bring their flagships(sans aircrafts carriers which were mostly flattened by the shockwaves.) to port to replace the dying crew.
the dog fight scenes were filmed off Key West .I use to know one of the CAF pilots that flew one of the replica zeros.Lots of challenges encountered during filming. the zeros are really modified t-6 texans & the f-14s had difficulty staying on their six.
You can see the high angle of attack the f-14s have a lot of the time trying to keep enough lift to stay in the air really is amazing how slow they can get through.
RIP Charles Durning, the actor playing Senator Samuel Chapman. (February 28, 1923 - December 24, 2012) He was a decorated WW2 vet & he was in first wave of infantry landing on Omaha beach during D-Day. He was the ONLY survivor of his unit that day. Just nine days after D-Day he severely wounded by a German anti-personnel mine, taking six months to fully recover. He later saw action in the Battle of the Bulge. By war's end he was decorated with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts.
Alternate Histories are fun to think about. But by the same token, the ramifications of an event like Pearl Harbor are huge. The event shaped World history, and touched many lives. I think it's safe to say that perhaps a lot of people that are alive today because of the events of Pearl Harbor wouldn't be here because of the new timeline. People that don't exist now, would probably exist in their place... it's mind boggling to think about.
Yes, if the Nimitz stopped Japan within a month - FDR declared war on Japan Only, because he could not get the backing of Congress or the People for a Two Ocean War, one war in Europe was more than enough for America... Adolf goofed in Declaring War, he handed What FDR wanted on a Silver Platter..... The Japanese had already not followed the Axis Pact and declared War on Russia when Germany attacked. Just think Europe England falling to the Germans and the USA would never have built 500,000 warplanes, 120 aircraft carriers and a million armored vehicles and Ten million rifles.
The Nimitz alone could've won the war. A full sortie of F-14's with anti-ship missiles would've sunk the Kido Butai without them ever seeing them. They'd only hear roaring in the skies followed by huge explosions from nowhere.
@@ReveredDead It wouldn't be Tomcats delivering those ASMs, it would be Intruders. F-14s most certainly would be involved, keeping the strike package safe from enemy patrols, but you are correct in that the Kido Butai wouldn't even know what hit them. One thing to note however, is that in such a scenario, the aircraft have no way to ensure that the Harpoons hit their intended targets. You can give it fairly basic instructions, namely what heading to fly, what attack profile to use, and what altitude to come in at, when to turn the radar on, and when to self-destruct. But beyond that, you can't tell it "Attack this specific ship". So more than likely what would happen is that the Harpoons would be launched at the fleet, and you may get *a* carrier, but the most likely event is that they'll take out the escorts surrounding the carriers. After that, you'd certainly would have an easier time engaging the rest of the fleet, but it would be A-7s making those attacks in the same manor in which the Dautless's did at Midway.
The Japanese Navy knew it was basically fucked by the end of 1942. The loss of five carriers and hundreds of aircraft and pilots whose quality couldn't be replaced spelled defeat, and though none would openly admit it, most Japanese naval officers recognized that. The Japanese Army was more stubborn and prone to wishful thinking til the war's end.
@@davidmurray5399 It's why he wanted to warn his commander. Odds are though, even if he had, the result would be the same: Total decimation of the Japanese fleet. Imagine the Kedobutai launches an all-out attack on the Nimitz. The E-2 would see that attack coming the moment the first plane was airborne, and the Nimitz would launch everything capable of launching a Fox-2 in defense. 82 planes vs over 300. Many of the Japanese would think "This will be an easy fight", that they'll sweep the sky of these planes and sink the American carrier force. But they're dead wrong. Before they can even see the USN aircraft, planes start exploding. With no RWR, the Japanese planes have no idea that the Tomcats have launched their phoenix missiles, and before too long, dozens of Japanese fighters and bombers are scrap. Over confident, they push on, and the remaining Japanese fighrers are faced with an incredible sight. Just as they come in visual range, they start seeing flashes from the F-8s, A-7s, and F-14s in the formation, and within seconds, more planes explode. With most of the fighter screen decimated, the Japanese bombers try to run for the cover of their ships AAA, but it's pointless. They're all run down like rabbits on the highway, and the few survivors witness the might of the Japanese navy getting swarmed by the A6s and A7s. All six carriers are destroyed, followed shortly after by the battleships and cruisers. The Destroyers try in vein to evade the incoming strikes, but more and more of them explode as Mk84s and Harpoons hit home. The Kedobutai: The most powerful fleet Japan ever assembled. With almost ten years of combat experience... destroyed in an act of violence so complete, that it forever destroys the Japanese Navy's will to fight.
In that 30 years we mastered the atom, went from 400mph top speed piston engines to Mach 2+ jets, developed missiles that could kill from beyond sight, and became a superpower.
It's hard to imagine the situation those civilians are in this moment. Their boat had been attacked by a country they didn't know we were fighting. The three on the boat were killed. Then they found themselves in the water, where they were retrieved by a flying machine that the senator might or might not have had a clue even existed, let alone that it had such capability. Then they are hauled to an aircraft carrier that may or may not seem much larger than expected, flying aircraft that even a total novice could recognize are not anything remotely familiar. And that doesn't even count what that Japanese pilot is experiencing. Interesting situation to say the least.
I love this movie, and if it was for real, I'd be at awe as well like the Japanese pilot watching the Tomcat trap the wire. Actors, scenes and script, the best. Movies cannot be made like this again. No great actors, and too much CGI. Awesome movie.
You imagine beginning of your day you were the superior. Nothing could stand in your way. Your generals told you you would be victorious and everything up to that point proved they were right. Nowhere in the world no one military could even beat yours and then out of the blue your world is shattered. Here's aircraft. You couldn't even imagine 5 minutes before engineers designers were only beginning to even come up with ideas. Resembling anything like what you saw they get out maneuver you take it out, fly you. They get our client you. They get out dive you. You couldn't touch them. They could fly past you and the only thing you could do was just try to control your aircraft in awake. They took out your aircraft with ease and now you're on their flight deck rescue by another craft that was only in early stage development and you're not only seeing the two that took out your craft and your partner's craft, but a flight deck full of similar aircraft on an aircraft carrier bigger wider than anything the world has produced the wonder in your mind would be enormous curiosity everybody is dressed differently. They're holding weapons that don't resemble anything you've ever seen One of the thoughts in your mind has got to be. If they have this. We've lost the war before it's even begun
Oh, you mean building 65? :-) I was on the Niagara Falls (AFS-3) and we used to tie up across the pier from her at Alameda. I've heard stories that people would stop someone on the pier and ask for help finding the Enterprise. The surprised sailor would point her out and the visitor would remark, "That's a ship? I thought it was a building!" :-)
So amazing…a carrier’s capabilities, pulling off two helicopter rescue missions, and air CAP operating over head covering the mission, E-3 Hawkeye in the air conducting long range recon and strike force waiting on the deck. That right there is American capability even if this story is fiction, you know that carrier could conduct that.
In the early 1970's I flew F-8s & F-14s for 8.5 years. I was out of flying the year the Nimitz made her first deployment. Naval airpower never ceases to amaze me even to this day! BTW, I hate to be picky but the Hawkeye is an E-2!
@@badgerdog4809 not actually, after that he’s being an imposter due to his unbelievable witness of this You can watch that movie to understand why i called that guy is an “Imposter”
As I recall (unfortunately its been several years, since Ive been able to see the full movie), this is happening right b4 the attack on Pearl Harbor, and they attacked and sunk the Senators boat for the simple reason, that there was a boat, it saw them, and it couldnt be allowed the chance to raise the alarm, that their fleet was on route. But yes, ur stlil right about the lack of a formal declaration of war. They didnt even manage to declare war in time for the attack on Pearl Harbor in time, since they had timed it very narrowly to be deliver about ½ hour, b4 the attack was to happen, but there were problems with the decoding of the diplomatic message, so they were actually late.
Like the whole Pearl Harbor attack, actually. Hence Roosevelt’s quote saying that this day (Dec. 7, 1941) would live in infamy. As Adm. Yamato had anticipated, such a traitorous sneak attack was a provocation that would wake up an industrial giant and turn it into a huge war machine that would crush Japan. Letting the US aircraft carriers be unharmed was a huge failure of the Pearl Harbor attack. The battle of Midway soon made Japan pay the price for it.
And dont forget from a technical standpoint...the dog fight scene. Those pilots were never supposed to see f 14s. Once that happens it can drastically change the outcome of future events.
It occurred to me that if had been the Enterprise (CVN-65) that had gone thru the time warp Cmdr Owens could have told Sentor Chapman just simply "an aircraft carrier Sir, Enterprise" and Chapman would have thought CV-6.
I could agree... but instead of the attack on Pearl Harbor... the battle of Midway or Coral Sea. Why? Because the war is already going... but instead of the Carrier showing up to witness a major US victory (Midway), it shows up with the American forces on the bones of their ass, about to lose. It could even be done as a series, and if set in the 70s, many of the issues such a force would face wouldn't be unsolvable (the tech gap between 1942 USA and 1979 USA isn't as massive as 1979 USA vs 2016 USA), and you could even make it where the CAG actually does meet his father (although, it's after he was born, since his father was supposedly KIA during the Battle of Midway). There's a lot that could be done here... and I think it could be told.
Apparently she was disliked on set, as she would have nothing to do with the men onboard the Nimitz. Charles Durning, on the other hand, was very approachable and friendly, and was virtually adored.
With the nuclear subs, the Destroyers and the Jets on this ship I would say you are probably correct! No plane out there could beat one of those Tomcats, good lord it's not even close.
Great movie! Jake Dennis is the pilot of the SH-3H shown in this clip, and he has a cameo at the 2:00 mark. He was in Helo Squadron 9 out of Jax. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_Anti-Submarine_Squadron_9 Prior to this movie, he was our neighbor in Bonita, CA
I always viewed this movie as a test, a test by a more powerful entity gauging the value of the human species. Trying to see if we had the capability to understand the situation and maybe just a glimpse into the perils of time travel. Would be nice to see a sequel explore that.
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams
The final countdown with kirk Douglas is a cinematic masterpiece proposing a mix of advents with the future meeting with a famous event that changed history.
Those look like Sea king helicopters. They are so awesome that Canada still uses them! You also don't want to mess with our old diesel submarines we bought from Britain. If your a gambler, betting against us has fantastic odds!
our sea kings are so old they can't stay up and the subs can't stay down. great troops given equipment that is sadly outdated. wouldn't be surprised to see our CF118's replaced with F86 sabres.
@@rustynails6626 At this point I wish we'd just buy the damn euro fighter and get it over with. It's a fine plane and it will do. There are other options, whats your pick?
Several notes and ideas: 1) Who is the mysterious / unidentified guy in the car at the beginning of the movie when Martin Sheen gets dropped off at the dock to go aboard the carrier? 2) Wouldn't helicopter and possibly other technology be much more advanced now in the present, if the Navy found the helicopter wreckage back in 1941. They would have a much earlier starting point to build and innovate from that point going forward.
1) It's Owen who got stuck in the past. 2) It's unlikely that the helicopter wreck was found, it crashed into the ocean and nobody knew it crashed there.
Una obra maestra. Perfecta combinación de la ciencia y la ficción; el amor y la guerra. Pero sobre todo el deber para con la patria allá donde se vaya, incluso una cuarta dimensión. Ah! Excelente reparto.
USS Kittyhawk CV63, had a cameo appearance in the 1980 movie , standing in for USS Nimitz. On her way home from her Western Pacific deployment, was filmed entering Pearl Harbor with the crew manning the rails as the ship passed the USS Memorial. (At the time of the filming, the Nimitz was still an Atlantic Fleet, vice Pacific Fleet, aircraft carrier.)
Just like in Star Trek the Voyage Home they didn't use the real Enterprise for the movie because it was on patrol, I think it was USS Ranger use for a stand-in for the ship
Just think about it for a moment how confused the Senator must have been. Helicopters in such a form, when IRL they only had some very bold prototypes. Planes with no propeller, nobody in the timespan of WW2 would have believed you if you reported seeing one, let alone them going past you with 3x the speed. Being able to see enemy ships and fleets on Radar with a range 20x bigger than what they had at the time and all the crew on board who know a big bunch about this event, let alone someone who knows absolutely everything about it.
Climb Mount Nitaka" the Japanese pilot must've been shocked when they knew his secret password especially in the very first time the Japanese entered the war! This scene with the Japanese pilot reminds me of the classic star trek episode called "Tomorrow is yesterday " where the American fighter pilot spots what he thinks is a ufo and gets beamed aboard the Enterprise.
Just imagine: it's 1941, NOONE has even thought of a helicopter, a jet plane....and then your boat blows up from under you, two "rocket planes" save you, then a helicopter is hovering overhead and pulls you up. One top of that, they are Americans just like you and friendly to boot. Just think....
F35 is an extremely worthwhile plane. Takes off like a helicopter and goes mach 1.8 or more. Plus stealth to boot. Russian made s400 in Syria could not shoot down Israeli F35s.
@@Glidescube you have to remember that anything Israel has they've modified it with thier knowledge of tech. Like the Iron Dome system, we still don't know much about it even though its been around for 8+ years. Plus we had the Harrier way before the F-35, yet nobody talks about that plane, simply because it was outdated before it could be useful. The F-35 (technology speaking) will benefit other planes in the future, but as of 2020 the Airforce isn't happy with it.
Jonas DLG exactly, but instead of canceling the attack on the Japanese planes before Pearl, they should make it where they go ahead and attack the planes
Its amazing how much access the filmmakers had to the ship they were every ware Now days due to security you will never see that much of a ships inner workings like the communications and hanger decks great they got to make this when they did !!
Kirk Douglas was probably having a "In Harm's Way", flashback. If you're old enough, you probably remember that Mr. Douglas, starred in "In Harm's Way", as a 'tempestuous', 'troubled', Navy officer, who lost his wayward wife, during the attack on Pearl Harbor, on 07/12/'41. Later on in the film, his character, Captain Paul Eddinton, goes on a "Suicidal scouting mission", and gets himself killed, when he finds the IJN Yamato.
redtrek524: sorry just can’t get past the fact that the aircraft Carrier in the story is named after Hillary Clinton. Totally laughable Even when the timer was written.
They were disbanded in the early 1990's however, VF-103 requested to change their squadron insignia, traditions and name to keep the "Jolly Roger's" alive. VFA-103 (as they are now known) currently fly the F/A-18F Super Hornet
A remake with the newest carrier "Gerald Ford" and those Super Hornets or F-35s would be dope!! And bring back Martin Sheen as the experienced expert of that Time Loophole! What a story that would be!
You would have to change the storyline then. Spoiler; The Martin Sheen character worked for a defense contractor, Richard Tideman, who sent him to observe the USS Nimitz when it went through the time loop. Richard Tideman, who was in his early 70s, was really Richard Owens, who was a senior officer on the USS Nimitz and had gone through the time loop and remained in 1941. So that would not work today as the movie takes place 39 years after Pearl Harbor, while today it would be 82 years, thus Richard Tideman would be around 120. So to keep the same premise, where the USS Nimitz officer remains in 1941 and send the observer, knowing what will happen, would mean the movie would probably have to be set no later than themid-1990ss.
Just blows my mind how the Nimitz at the time this was filmed was an incredible advanced ship. Their entire aircraft compliment would've wiped the Japanese fleet off the map without even going below the cloud layer. All the Japanese would see is fast white streaks coming down and then massive explosions on their decks.
I never get tired of movies like this.
It's just such a great concept that will never get old for me.
I love their reactions to the modern aircraft
And he thought his ZERO was hot stuff ... IT really WAS a zero ...
@@Tonetwisters Senator: "What the hell kind of machine is this thing?!"
(My Reaction: What's the matter Senator? You've look like you've never even seen nor heard of a Helicopter before you stupid thick headed numbskull?!)
@@jamieolberding7731 Choppers weren't used until May of 1944.
@@jhutch1470 Wait? Really?
@@jamieolberding7731 they were invented before that but weren't more common until later on.
I worked on the H3 sea king during my time in the Navy. And I can tell you the sound of the H3 in that movie is authentic. Many times in movies they dub in the sound of a different kind of helicopter like a Huey.
Probably because the movie production crew were allowed to use and access Naval Resources, like the real USS Nimitz and its air wing for authenticity. Only places they weren't allowed were classified zones on the Nimitz, i.e. the Nuclear Reactor rooms.
Respect to you sir and thank you for your service
Amazing machine. My father flew a S61 (civilian model of the Sea King) in the 70s. Some are still flying today.
And in that calm a Sea we could drop to belly level........
77-81
Just imagine for a moment that this modern nuclear powered aircraft carrier really did go back to 1941. It had more than enough firepower to take on the Japanese empire on it's own..
@Emmanuel Goldstein Yep, many alternate history novels have explored how this sort of scenario might play out 'in reality' and usually comes to the same conclusion... running out of (irreplaceable) missiles and bullets long before the war is over.
Not for long without resupply
They have many more nuke bombs on the USS Nimitz than in the entire world of the 1940's...
Due to this, the lonely Nimitz could end WW2 just like... a finger snap.
@@emmanuelfani5385 Indeed, vaporize the various Kido Butai roaming around the seas and then ask the Emperor "now what, bitch?"
They conducted tests on nuking fleets at sea after ww2 to test if you could just delete entire formations of ships but some warships(battleships mostly) proved to be surprisingly resilient to the blast.(other than the relatively small "delete radius" of the bombs). Of course the crews would still die of radiation poisoning but they could probably bring their flagships(sans aircrafts carriers which were mostly flattened by the shockwaves.) to port to replace the dying crew.
U.S. Navy rules !! Best greetings from a friend of America .....
Haze Gray And Underway I was part of the 7th Fleet USS Ranger CV-61 87/90
Every movie that features f14s is awesome! Splash the Zeros! Come on Mav. You feelin the need?? The need for speed!!
Have Tom Cruise play the Owen character in the remake.
This movie is very Twilight-Zoney. Two thumbs up - WAY UP!
It is! Only with happy ending..
the dog fight scenes were filmed off Key West .I use to know one of the CAF pilots that flew one of the replica zeros.Lots of challenges encountered during filming. the zeros are really modified t-6 texans & the f-14s had difficulty staying on their six.
Due to the airspeed
You can see the high angle of attack the f-14s have a lot of the time trying to keep enough lift to stay in the air really is amazing how slow they can get through.
The speed. Especially when the one nearly went into the drink.
@@_R-R I think that was a controlled movement based on one of the interviews on the DVD.
RIP Charles Durning, the actor playing Senator Samuel Chapman.
(February 28, 1923 - December 24, 2012)
He was a decorated WW2 vet & he was in first wave of infantry landing on Omaha beach during D-Day. He was the ONLY survivor of his unit that day. Just nine days after D-Day he severely wounded by a German anti-personnel mine, taking six months to fully recover. He later saw action in the Battle of the Bulge. By war's end he was decorated with the Silver Star, the Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts.
Corporal Yost. Serial Number.
He was not that believable as a man from 1941 in this film. Beauty Katherine Ross OTOH was totally credible as a woman from that era.
Arlen, Charles Durning was also one of the handful of survivors who survived the Malmady Massacre.
C/D fought in the
Alternate Histories are fun to think about. But by the same token, the ramifications of an event like Pearl Harbor are huge. The event shaped World history, and touched many lives. I think it's safe to say that perhaps a lot of people that are alive today because of the events of Pearl Harbor wouldn't be here because of the new timeline. People that don't exist now, would probably exist in their place... it's mind boggling to think about.
Yes, if the Nimitz stopped Japan within a month - FDR declared war on Japan Only, because he could not get the backing of Congress or the People for a Two Ocean War, one war in Europe was more than enough for America...
Adolf goofed in Declaring War, he handed What FDR wanted on a Silver Platter.....
The Japanese had already not followed the Axis Pact and declared War on Russia when Germany attacked.
Just think Europe England falling to the Germans and the USA would never have built 500,000 warplanes, 120 aircraft carriers and a million armored vehicles and Ten million rifles.
The Nimitz alone could've won the war. A full sortie of F-14's with anti-ship missiles would've sunk the Kido Butai without them ever seeing them. They'd only hear roaring in the skies followed by huge explosions from nowhere.
@@ReveredDead It wouldn't be Tomcats delivering those ASMs, it would be Intruders. F-14s most certainly would be involved, keeping the strike package safe from enemy patrols, but you are correct in that the Kido Butai wouldn't even know what hit them.
One thing to note however, is that in such a scenario, the aircraft have no way to ensure that the Harpoons hit their intended targets. You can give it fairly basic instructions, namely what heading to fly, what attack profile to use, and what altitude to come in at, when to turn the radar on, and when to self-destruct. But beyond that, you can't tell it "Attack this specific ship". So more than likely what would happen is that the Harpoons would be launched at the fleet, and you may get *a* carrier, but the most likely event is that they'll take out the escorts surrounding the carriers. After that, you'd certainly would have an easier time engaging the rest of the fleet, but it would be A-7s making those attacks in the same manor in which the Dautless's did at Midway.
This movie is a classic.
Can you imagine the Japanese PILOTS thoughts when seeing those things there? WE ARE FUCKED NOW LOL.
Yeah, this movie really shows the advance in technology in just 40 years time......
Now imagine 2041 to 2080
Soldier: hey prisonnier, what do you want for dinner
Japeneese pilot a cheese burger with coka with suchi sauce plz
The Japanese Navy knew it was basically fucked by the end of 1942. The loss of five carriers and hundreds of aircraft and pilots whose quality couldn't be replaced spelled defeat, and though none would openly admit it, most Japanese naval officers recognized that. The Japanese Army was more stubborn and prone to wishful thinking til the war's end.
@@davidmurray5399 It's why he wanted to warn his commander. Odds are though, even if he had, the result would be the same: Total decimation of the Japanese fleet. Imagine the Kedobutai launches an all-out attack on the Nimitz. The E-2 would see that attack coming the moment the first plane was airborne, and the Nimitz would launch everything capable of launching a Fox-2 in defense. 82 planes vs over 300. Many of the Japanese would think "This will be an easy fight", that they'll sweep the sky of these planes and sink the American carrier force. But they're dead wrong. Before they can even see the USN aircraft, planes start exploding. With no RWR, the Japanese planes have no idea that the Tomcats have launched their phoenix missiles, and before too long, dozens of Japanese fighters and bombers are scrap. Over confident, they push on, and the remaining Japanese fighrers are faced with an incredible sight. Just as they come in visual range, they start seeing flashes from the F-8s, A-7s, and F-14s in the formation, and within seconds, more planes explode. With most of the fighter screen decimated, the Japanese bombers try to run for the cover of their ships AAA, but it's pointless. They're all run down like rabbits on the highway, and the few survivors witness the might of the Japanese navy getting swarmed by the A6s and A7s. All six carriers are destroyed, followed shortly after by the battleships and cruisers. The Destroyers try in vein to evade the incoming strikes, but more and more of them explode as Mk84s and Harpoons hit home.
The Kedobutai: The most powerful fleet Japan ever assembled. With almost ten years of combat experience... destroyed in an act of violence so complete, that it forever destroys the Japanese Navy's will to fight.
It's just amazing to compare WW2 aircraft and carriers vs their 1970s-era counterparts. Huge difference, but only 30 years separated
In that 30 years we mastered the atom, went from 400mph top speed piston engines to Mach 2+ jets, developed missiles that could kill from beyond sight, and became a superpower.
It's hard to imagine the situation those civilians are in this moment. Their boat had been attacked by a country they didn't know we were fighting. The three on the boat were killed. Then they found themselves in the water, where they were retrieved by a flying machine that the senator might or might not have had a clue even existed, let alone that it had such capability. Then they are hauled to an aircraft carrier that may or may not seem much larger than expected, flying aircraft that even a total novice could recognize are not anything remotely familiar. And that doesn't even count what that Japanese pilot is experiencing. Interesting situation to say the least.
"Maybe tomorrows attack on Pearl is not such a good idea?!?!"
I love this movie, and if it was for real, I'd be at awe as well like the Japanese pilot watching the Tomcat trap the wire. Actors, scenes and script, the best. Movies cannot be made like this again. No great actors, and too much CGI. Awesome movie.
The Japanese guy sees the Nimitz and thinks “Tokio we have a problem”
AHAHA
*Tokyo
Turns the fleet around flank speed towards homeland
Yup he be like:" our intelligence reports on their battleships is wrong big time, if this is what they have..we are screwed.
You imagine beginning of your day you were the superior. Nothing could stand in your way. Your generals told you you would be victorious and everything up to that point proved they were right. Nowhere in the world no one military could even beat yours and then out of the blue your world is shattered. Here's aircraft. You couldn't even imagine 5 minutes before engineers designers were only beginning to even come up with ideas. Resembling anything like what you saw they get out maneuver you take it out, fly you. They get our client you. They get out dive you. You couldn't touch them. They could fly past you and the only thing you could do was just try to control your aircraft in awake. They took out your aircraft with ease and now you're on their flight deck rescue by another craft that was only in early stage development and you're not only seeing the two that took out your craft and your partner's craft, but a flight deck full of similar aircraft on an aircraft carrier bigger wider than anything the world has produced the wonder in your mind would be enormous curiosity everybody is dressed differently. They're holding weapons that don't resemble anything you've ever seen One of the thoughts in your mind has got to be. If they have this. We've lost the war before it's even begun
This movie helped define my childhood. This and macho films such as 'Lone Wolf McQuaid' starring Chuck Norris and David Carradine!
I love this movie more than 40 years ago.. love it today.. thanks 👍🇳🇿
nice movie...especially since I was in the Navy (USS Enteprise CVN-65)
I hope cvn - 65 was decommissioned with the respect she is due.
Oh, you mean building 65? :-) I was on the Niagara Falls (AFS-3) and we used to tie up across the pier from her at Alameda. I've heard stories that people would stop someone on the pier and ask for help finding the Enterprise. The surprised sailor would point her out and the visitor would remark, "That's a ship? I thought it was a building!" :-)
The Japanese pilot was like what the hell is that?
Confused japanese screaming
There's an actual video of B-17 crew reacting the first time they saw a Me-262. It's was an out of the world experience for them.
Japan was just coming out of it’s dark ages so they probably thought it was some new experimental US plane
NANI???
@@sztypettto what did they say?
I flew the Mighty Sea King. It brings back memories of the 80s and 90s. She was a delight and there are days I can't believe I actually did that.
This remains one of my all time favorite movies!
Loved the ending!
Glad they rescued the dog too!
So amazing…a carrier’s capabilities, pulling off two helicopter rescue missions, and air CAP operating over head covering the mission, E-3 Hawkeye in the air conducting long range recon and strike force waiting on the deck.
That right there is American capability even if this story is fiction, you know that carrier could conduct that.
In the early 1970's I flew F-8s & F-14s for 8.5 years. I was out of flying the year the Nimitz made her first deployment. Naval airpower never ceases to amaze me even to this day! BTW, I hate to be picky but the Hawkeye is an E-2!
You save the damn dog...he's the only one that matters!
He ended up living much longer than any other do
@@badgerdog4809 not actually, after that he’s being an imposter due to his unbelievable witness of this
You can watch that movie to understand why i called that guy is an “Imposter”
Noticed a filming mistake here . The Japanese pilot was picked up by helicopter 733, yet he is depicted getting off helicopter 736.
Good catch!
Only for 3 numbers 😛😛
The Japanese pilot would be in a lot of trouble. Since there was no formal declaration of war this could be considered piracy and murder.
The attack itself can be considered a War Crime. No declaration of war was made beforehand.
As I recall (unfortunately its been several years, since Ive been able to see the full movie), this is happening right b4 the attack on Pearl Harbor, and they attacked and sunk the Senators boat for the simple reason, that there was a boat, it saw them, and it couldnt be allowed the chance to raise the alarm, that their fleet was on route.
But yes, ur stlil right about the lack of a formal declaration of war. They didnt even manage to declare war in time for the attack on Pearl Harbor in time, since they had timed it very narrowly to be deliver about ½ hour, b4 the attack was to happen, but there were problems with the decoding of the diplomatic message, so they were actually late.
Like the whole Pearl Harbor attack, actually. Hence Roosevelt’s quote saying that this day (Dec. 7, 1941) would live in infamy. As Adm. Yamato had anticipated, such a traitorous sneak attack was a provocation that would wake up an industrial giant and turn it into a huge war machine that would crush Japan.
Letting the US aircraft carriers be unharmed was a huge failure of the Pearl Harbor attack. The battle of Midway soon made Japan pay the price for it.
And dont forget from a technical standpoint...the dog fight scene. Those pilots were never supposed to see f 14s. Once that happens it can drastically change the outcome of future events.
So you know the TIME PARADOX too?
Well they died so...
It occurred to me that if had been the Enterprise (CVN-65) that had gone thru the time warp Cmdr Owens could have told Sentor Chapman just simply "an aircraft carrier Sir, Enterprise" and Chapman would have thought CV-6.
One look at CVN-65 would have blown his mind
He probably would have thought: “This ship looks bigger than what I remember and what’s with all these weird planes?”
HS-9 Sea Griffins. One of my squadrons.
Great scenes. This Japanese pilot was like "where the heck I am?" when the Tomcat landed.
Of all movies, this one deserves a remake.
I could agree... but instead of the attack on Pearl Harbor... the battle of Midway or Coral Sea. Why? Because the war is already going... but instead of the Carrier showing up to witness a major US victory (Midway), it shows up with the American forces on the bones of their ass, about to lose.
It could even be done as a series, and if set in the 70s, many of the issues such a force would face wouldn't be unsolvable (the tech gap between 1942 USA and 1979 USA isn't as massive as 1979 USA vs 2016 USA), and you could even make it where the CAG actually does meet his father (although, it's after he was born, since his father was supposedly KIA during the Battle of Midway).
There's a lot that could be done here... and I think it could be told.
I've only seen this about 20 times. Still love it! If they remade it they would ruin it! All green screen bs.
Classic movie. Tomcats vs Zeroes dogfight scene was so cool. And the actress Katharine Ross was so hot. Sort of 1980 "version" of Torri Higginson ;-)
Apparently she was disliked on set, as she would have nothing to do with the men onboard the Nimitz. Charles Durning, on the other hand, was very approachable and friendly, and was virtually adored.
Zeros full throttle, F-14's desperately trying to avoid a stall.
@@HowardHalifax that is incorrect as their were no substantial amount of women aboard and they isolated her for her own safety.
With the nuclear subs, the Destroyers and the Jets on this ship I would say you are probably correct! No plane out there could beat one of those Tomcats, good lord it's not even close.
The escorts detached from Nimitz before she went through the loop. She's out there by herself.
Great movie! Jake Dennis is the pilot of the SH-3H shown in this clip, and he has a cameo at the 2:00 mark. He was in Helo Squadron 9 out of Jax. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_Anti-Submarine_Squadron_9 Prior to this movie, he was our neighbor in Bonita, CA
I always viewed this movie as a test, a test by a more powerful entity gauging the value of the human species. Trying to see if we had the capability to understand the situation and maybe just a glimpse into the perils of time travel. Would be nice to see a sequel explore that.
Save The Doggie!
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams
“Little bastard.” LOL
It's like us seeing a UFO.👽
Just the look of a Sea Stallion at work is sweet, (along with F-14s) oh, and an Nimitz aircaft carrier.
The final countdown with kirk Douglas is a cinematic masterpiece proposing a mix of advents with the future meeting with a famous event that changed history.
Remembering that the time difference between this movie and 1941 is about the same as the time difference between now and the 80s when it was made...
I just love that film.
Those look like Sea king helicopters. They are so awesome that Canada still uses them! You also don't want to mess with our old diesel submarines we bought from Britain. If your a gambler, betting against us has fantastic odds!
Canadian Armed Forces motto: We hope you aren't coming. (Because we won't be there to meet you. It's too cold.)
Those are Sea King Helicopters.
@@leszekandhisrandomstuff.9228 also the only country to engrave "sorry" on their bullets
our sea kings are so old they can't stay up and the subs can't stay down. great troops given equipment that is sadly outdated. wouldn't be surprised to see our CF118's replaced with F86 sabres.
@@rustynails6626 At this point I wish we'd just buy the damn euro fighter and get it over with. It's a fine plane and it will do. There are other options, whats your pick?
.................Un film fantastique !! Il faudrait refaire la fin...Une belle Uchronie..............................
Love Kirk Douglas old school response on seeing an old enemy.
Several notes and ideas:
1) Who is the mysterious / unidentified guy in the car at the beginning of the movie when Martin Sheen gets dropped off at the dock to go aboard the carrier?
2) Wouldn't helicopter and possibly other technology be much more advanced now in the present, if the Navy found the helicopter wreckage back in 1941. They would have a much earlier starting point to build and innovate from that point going forward.
1) It's Owen who got stuck in the past.
2) It's unlikely that the helicopter wreck was found, it crashed into the ocean and nobody knew it crashed there.
@@eliaspeter7689 Yes, Mr. Tiedman, aka Commander Owen.
Una obra maestra. Perfecta combinación de la ciencia y la ficción; el amor y la guerra. Pero sobre todo el deber para con la patria allá donde se vaya, incluso una cuarta dimensión.
Ah! Excelente reparto.
USS Kittyhawk CV63, had a cameo appearance in the 1980 movie , standing in for USS Nimitz. On her way home from her Western Pacific deployment, was filmed entering Pearl Harbor with the crew manning the rails as the ship passed the USS Memorial. (At the time of the filming, the Nimitz was still an Atlantic Fleet, vice Pacific Fleet, aircraft carrier.)
Just like in Star Trek the Voyage Home they didn't use the real Enterprise for the movie because it was on patrol, I think it was USS Ranger use for a stand-in for the ship
@@darrellhall6622 What the fuck did you just type?
Un excellent film. Merci
Great movie. And yeah, the "Ancient Aliens" brought me here.
I loved this flick.
I swear to you the entire crew making this movie Was drinking the whole time watch Kirk Douglas real close you can see it.
This movie could stand to be remade today.
ROFLMAO! No it doesn't need to be remade. It would be garbage.
Just think about it for a moment how confused the Senator must have been. Helicopters in such a form, when IRL they only had some very bold prototypes. Planes with no propeller, nobody in the timespan of WW2 would have believed you if you reported seeing one, let alone them going past you with 3x the speed. Being able to see enemy ships and fleets on Radar with a range 20x bigger than what they had at the time and all the crew on board who know a big bunch about this event, let alone someone who knows absolutely everything about it.
BEST MOVIE EVER
Climb Mount Nitaka" the Japanese pilot must've been shocked when they knew his secret password especially in the very first time the Japanese entered the war!
This scene with the Japanese pilot reminds me of the classic star trek episode called "Tomorrow is yesterday " where the American fighter pilot spots what he thinks is a ufo and gets beamed aboard the Enterprise.
Our military kicks ass.
When the helo fight breaks out with flare gun. I yelled "Whacky shaaaaaaaaaaack!"
then boom!
"I lost it! Lost the helo!"
Loved the H3 seaking such a stable , stay in station till hell freezes over.
thank you for sharing, loved th movie back in the day!!!! want to find the whole thing
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Just imagine: it's 1941, NOONE has even thought of a helicopter, a jet plane....and then your boat blows up from under you, two "rocket planes" save you, then a helicopter is hovering overhead and pulls you up. One top of that, they are Americans just like you and friendly to boot. Just think....
PotatoGunsRule Late reply, but helicopters did exist in that time.
Jumping on here, but both the British and the Germans already had working jet prototypes by Pearl Harbour.
Joseasdfg weren’t in service though
M16 A1 retired
F14 tomcat retired
Seaking helicopters retired
Time to reboot this movie. With F35 vs zeros
Glidescube f35 is ass.
3 trillion dollars for a subsonic, jack of all trades master of none jet. The technology in it is impressive, but it's just not worthwhile.
F35 is an extremely worthwhile plane. Takes off like a helicopter and goes mach 1.8 or more. Plus stealth to boot. Russian made s400 in Syria could not shoot down Israeli F35s.
@@Glidescube you have to remember that anything Israel has they've modified it with thier knowledge of tech. Like the Iron Dome system, we still don't know much about it even though its been around for 8+ years. Plus we had the Harrier way before the F-35, yet nobody talks about that plane, simply because it was outdated before it could be useful. The F-35 (technology speaking) will benefit other planes in the future, but as of 2020 the Airforce isn't happy with it.
@@bravo_delta312 we share much of that tech. Iron dome was an improvement of the original Patriot system.
best movie ever !!
Remember- the guy the ship is named for is (I believe) doing a desk job in Washington, but will soon be in command of the largest navy in the world.
U.S. Navy baby still the real deal !!
Dont know the real name of the Japanese pilot... But hes a working actor with lots of film credits. He's good at playing bad guys.
I remember getting a tour of the nimitz in 1976 in Norfolk virginia
Such a great flick!
Yes, I've seen the entire movie a few times.
4:29-yeah, that’s it, take a good look at it-drool at the sight of the fighter that is from your future, dammit!
The really need to remake this movie.
ask yourself what could they improve by remaking the movie
Jonas DLG exactly, but instead of canceling the attack on the Japanese planes before Pearl, they should make it where they go ahead and attack the planes
100 percent agree that scene would be the best
I wish they did that been awesome to see
don't you realize what the Nimitz air crafts would've done to that Japanese task force? lmao
i loved this movie
Great film.
Nice!
I’d love a new final countdown 2025 edition
how would they pick up enemies in the water?
...alot better than that "other" F14 movie...ps ...i got both movies on vhs , anyway...
Its amazing how much access the filmmakers had to the ship they were every ware Now days due to security you will never see that much of a ships inner workings like the communications and hanger decks great they got to make this when they did !!
Hell I spent 4 years on the Constellation back in the 80's and I never saw CIC once. Never had a reason to go up there.
I spent multiple deployment's on the USS America cv-66 , as a member of the airwing . Never saw or looked for cic or air traffic control
I think the Navy saw this as a good publicity vehicle for recruitment. You got to see many aspects of carrier operations.
Captain Kirk Douglas call Japnese pilot little bastard lol love it
Kirk Douglas was probably having a "In Harm's Way", flashback. If you're old enough, you probably remember that Mr. Douglas, starred in "In Harm's Way", as a 'tempestuous', 'troubled', Navy officer, who lost his wayward wife, during the attack on Pearl Harbor, on 07/12/'41. Later on in the film, his character, Captain Paul Eddinton, goes on a "Suicidal scouting mission", and gets himself killed, when he finds the IJN Yamato.
@@WalterDWormack214 That was a great movie too
Read the "Weapons of Choice" series. Similar premise & the ending doesn't suck.
redtrek524: sorry just can’t get past the fact that the aircraft Carrier in the story is named after Hillary Clinton. Totally laughable Even when the timer was written.
@@patrickhughes8164 Agreed. Barf
Japanese pilot:
What in the world did i just get into?
A movie from 1980.
awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Fantastic movie
The Fighting 84's, I wonder if they're still around.
They were disbanded in the early 1990's however, VF-103 requested to change their squadron insignia, traditions and name to keep the "Jolly Roger's" alive. VFA-103 (as they are now known) currently fly the F/A-18F Super Hornet
Зачётный фильм❤
Don't stare at the sun。from Japan ！
CAG hero of the day.
A remake with the newest carrier "Gerald Ford" and those Super Hornets or F-35s would be dope!! And bring back Martin Sheen as the experienced expert of that Time Loophole! What a story that would be!
You would have to change the storyline then.
Spoiler;
The Martin Sheen character worked for a defense contractor, Richard Tideman, who sent him to observe the USS Nimitz when it went through the time loop. Richard Tideman, who was in his early 70s, was really Richard Owens, who was a senior officer on the USS Nimitz and had gone through the time loop and remained in 1941. So that would not work today as the movie takes place 39 years after Pearl Harbor, while today it would be 82 years, thus Richard Tideman would be around 120. So to keep the same premise, where the USS Nimitz officer remains in 1941 and send the observer, knowing what will happen, would mean the movie would probably have to be set no later than themid-1990ss.
Saw this in a drive in when it came out
Charlie!
They should remake this film
Yeah, I would have gone back for the dog, too.
I’d love to see Hollywood do a remake of this movie
Why would you want a remake ?? The original is great.
Better to save the dog than a politicien.😁😉