I had the pleasure of being GINGER BAKERS Bodyguard for one night at the Schaefer music festival in central Park. One of my friends who worked with me during the day at LORD AND TAYLOR SECURITY DEPARTMENT also worked at the Schaefer music festival.he told me to come over the night that GINGER and BUDDY MILES were playing he didn't show up and I got the Job for one night and it was a great experience. GINGER Was really nice and when he got into the limousine he looked at me and said THANKS MATE. 😮❤
Ginger Baker hatte einen Bodyguard? Als ich Ginger Baker mal traf, er stand ganz alleine da.... Ich hätte ihn theoretisch umbringen können. Wo warst du denn da?😅👎
Been a Baker fan since his early days and I'm now 71. I played drums and tried to emulate his style.This is my first time seeing, hearing this awesome performance. What a player.. RIP and maybe meet soon Sir.
Early 70s outside the Cream Cheese bar/ club in the Dusseldorf altstadt , having a smoke (as you do) and who pulls, right next to me,.... its only Ginger Baker. He got out, had a bit of the craic for 10 minutes... real nice memory.
Ginger (and Jack Bruce) were in the Graham Bond Organisation... this band was the catalyst for the developing jazzy/fusion/ rocky type of sounds being worked on in mid to late 60s. Cream added a bluesy side.... what a brilliant time for music !!!
Arguably one of the greatest drummers of all time. Arguably the most likely to get into an argument with in the first place. Can't help but to forgive his short fuse. RIP Ginger!
Ginger baker sucked both as a drummer and as a human being. I’ve been playing drums a long time and I watch Baker he is the most overrated drummer of that era.
@@louismastrangelo3781 He definitely didn't "suck," but I totally agree that people who haven't been exposed to many genres beyond rock overrate him constantly.
Ginger Baker war natürlich nicht einer "der größten Schlagzeuger aller Zeiten". Wer das denkt, hat einfach keine Ahnung... Okay, er war natürlich kein schlechter Drummer, aber aus heutiger Sicht... Heutzutage gibt es so hervorragende Schlagzeuger... Alleine wie schnell die mit den Füssen sind. Egal ob im Metalbereich, im Jazzbereich, oder Progressiv-Bereich. Das ist nun einmal so... Aber und das gebe ich gerne zu, Virtuosität ist nicht immer alles... Da spielen auch noch andere Faktoren eine Rolle.
By the time Blind Faith came around I was done with Baker. He was great in Cream, and I saw them a number of times, but what was he going to add to Blind Faith? Then I saw them live, and once again, he blew me away. Years - decades - later, I'm driving along and playing the radio, and on comes this song about a dress, and I'm ass-kicked by the powerful drums. What new band has a guy this good? It's Baker; he answered an ad in LA for a band called *"Masters of Reality."* Turn up your sound as loud as you can, and get the full force of his badassness, and the best tom-toms ever: ua-cam.com/video/beyj3BE7RPY/v-deo.html
Always liked gingers playing..between him..and eric and jack..they uped the anti..as far as being real players..and not the lalypop..back ground players who did all the work..they were truly tjeCREAM of the crop!! After 67..everyone devided to really learn music!! And not just fake it!!!
That's too bad because if you are into drumming then you know Ginger is one of the top rock drummers but in the jazz and fusion world he would be about average. All his idols are jazz drummers btw.
I've seen him about five times? I saw him many years ago when he was so out of his face he had to be carried on the stage with a roadie under each armpit. I thought "oh no... this is going to be a car crash" - it wasn't, he played great! Years later I saw him as an old man. He was off illegal drugs, but because of his arthritic spine, he was dosed out of his head on pain killers instead! Still played great ;)
minuteman: I was fortunate to see him in '89 on tour w/ Jack Bruce. The first set was all Jack, new songs, plus a few Cream songs. with a different drummer. Set #2 was all old Cream music with Baker drumming his ass off. Too bad the 3rd Cream member wasn't there, eh ??
I saw that same show twice that yr.(?) At the Coach House, San Juan Caprisano, Ca. & the following month at the Ventura(Ca.) Theater. Do u recall the guitarist? An unknown youngster. Lmk. We called the band ⅔'s Cream. It was our only live experience w/ our idolized heroes. Between those 2 shows, we saw Clapton at the Pacific Amphitheater. Jack Bruce Band was the better concert. We got to see a Ginger Baker drum solo. Twice. Whoo-ya!
If ,Chick Corea, or Wayne Shorter or and Yes Miles did this also. Then, the comments may change some. Thelonious Monkenstein said: "There are No wrong Notes " I've heard and seen all the Jazz Drummers as I am one also. Would rather Listen to Ginger than Gadd. any day . Yes, because I saw and Heard "Cream" up close .To this friggin day .It was one of the Best shows ,Band ,withstanding a Tsunami. Fuck.
@@tonylast9181 But on here he does indeed look like having 22 and 24... the ten lugs on the smaller kick is the giveaway! Also the toms look like 13-14 instead of his usual 12-13 setup.
It's interesting (to me) how Baker is best known for Cream and Blind Faith, and always will be known as one of the great "rock" drummers, but spent the *bulk* of his career after the 1960s making some of the best world music, African-inspired music, and jazz. This is an excellent example.
The audience for this stuff is small though, he's always going to be better known for the more accessible rock stuff. As far as the average music fan is concerned, Ginger just disappeared after Blind Faith, because they would never listen to this stuff even if they knew it existed.
@@PutItAway101 Yes, this is true. I just think it's ironic. And it's also kind of brave, it its own way, because Baker followed his muse without caring about rock star success after Cream. He didn't have as big an audience, but he played what he loved.
Kinda true but I don't think he got diagnosed with COPD until his late 60's which is fucking increidble cause he chain smoked literallly for 60+ years@@SAHBfan
Plus his degenerative osteoarthritis was from all that soda leaching calcium from his bones, smoking and all the bones he broke thorughout his life. He has broke his collar bone and most all of his rips in the past from polo! Still its amazing he didn't get anymore "more" serious@@SAHBfan
I don't get the appeal of Baker's playing at all, but of course it's a subjective reckoning, just like the opinions of those who like his playing. Each to his own taste.
Ginger does a good job here. But there are a couple of times when he fumbles a bit, especially around the 6.20 mark. I think fell off a bit because he overdid the playing on the tom toms.
Ginger is very good but his solos tend to all be based around using the same tried and tested Afro rhythm tom pattern over and over. Not saying he doesn't play it well but i'd like to hear a wider range of patterns from him.
come on dude. elvin jones, art blakey, and tony williams (post miles) also did the same thing...they played their signature motifs and ideas through an improvisational lens. nobody complains about them playing a "wider range of patterns". listen to the whole discography of those drummers and you will eventually recognize the same ideas played over and over and over in many renditions. it's not that they COULDN'T play more, but when you hear them play you know exactly who it is. I have never heard anybody but ginger baker play quarter notes on the left bass drum, eighth notes on the right bass drum, and mixed quarter and eighth note triplets against that to create those 4-3 and 6-4 layered polyrhythms. he treated the kit like a drum ensemble ala west african drumming.
What’s this one called? KlunkY? It’s very KlunkY, It’s like they want to be Weather Report but they couldn’t use that name so they had to name their band..... KlunkY.
And Bonham wasn't Baker. Different guys, different styles - it isn't a championship tournament. Baker always was far more versatile than Bonham, covering far more styles and genres of music - great though Bonham was he basically played one style in one group.
Exactly - except I didn't get to Baker's solo; had to stop the horrible sounds. But I guess I didn't miss a lot, Baker's solos were never interesting. Always the same pap-pappelap-pappelappelap-papap. But he did good with Baker Gurwits Army. I like that a lot.
@@MeBallermani got a lot of doubt that you are capable to write and learn music or play some instrument . Your opinion is incompetent, because this is free form music and is of an higher level of your idols justin bieber and bts. So you cant understand
@@UgoFallavena I'm sure it was a lot of fun to play this set, but I don't find it nice to listen to. Of course, some days are different than other days. In general, I dislike wind instruments, they get to my nerves I can't play music, only a little drums, but never had a kit, so... However; if I were a Bieber-fan, or pop-fan, I wouldn't have come to a Baker vid, would I? Is Bieber especially bad? People always make fun of him.
How can anyone who was as stoned as Baker was for most of his career be a crabby , irritating , irritable hump for most of his life ? I always thought that the weed was a peaceful and tranquil aid to calm you down ? Laugh a little ! Enjoy life and other people ....
Musical m@sturbation. And Ginger's playing, timing and double-bass drums are off here. At least in the first 15 minutes. I can't take any more of this wank-fest.
It must be said that it takes biiiiig balls to wank that far. And that "off" imho is made on purpose, in many ways it reminds me the peculiar way he played "Sunshine of your love" with the snare and the bass drum beats not where one would expect.
Brass and horns are horrible. HORRIBLE. How can anybody listen to that. It sounds awful. A pain in the ears. Making these sounds one self could be funny, just to harass people, but listening to it, and claiming it sounds "nice" or "good"? C'mon guys, it's torture.
I had the pleasure of being GINGER BAKERS Bodyguard for one night at the Schaefer music festival in central Park. One of my friends who worked with me during the day at LORD AND TAYLOR SECURITY DEPARTMENT also worked at the Schaefer music festival.he told me to come over the night that GINGER and BUDDY MILES were playing he didn't show up and I got the Job for one night and it was a great experience. GINGER Was really nice and when he got into the limousine he looked at me and said THANKS MATE. 😮❤
Ginger Baker hatte einen Bodyguard? Als ich Ginger Baker mal traf, er stand ganz alleine da.... Ich hätte ihn theoretisch umbringen können. Wo warst du denn da?😅👎
My favorite drummer ever , and I play drums since when I was a child
Been a Baker fan since his early days and I'm now 71. I played drums and tried to emulate his style.This is my first time seeing, hearing this awesome performance. What a player.. RIP and maybe meet soon Sir.
R.I.P. Ginger. He had such a genuine approach to drumming.
ginger was a musician
What a great find, love seeing Ginger.
I love it ! Free music form
First time seeing this performance. Baker has always been my favorite drummer and carries this away in grand style 👍
Early 70s outside the Cream Cheese bar/ club in the Dusseldorf altstadt , having a smoke (as you do) and who pulls, right next to me,.... its only Ginger Baker. He got out, had a bit of the craic for 10 minutes... real nice memory.
He was trained in jazz but had such funk in rock n roll . He will be missed greatly always one of my favorites
Ginger (and Jack Bruce) were in the Graham Bond Organisation... this band was the catalyst for the developing jazzy/fusion/ rocky type of sounds being worked on in mid to late 60s. Cream added a bluesy side.... what a brilliant time for music !!!
He was untrained. Never took music classes etc
An amazing find, never seen that before!
Geile Sache! Wusste gar nicht, daß es überhaupt Videos von "Das Pferd" gibt.
Danke für's Posten, Jan!
Ginger war in der Tat ein Pferdenarr😂😂 Oder besser in dem Fall:😊 Das Pferd ein Ginger- Narr😂 Gruss an Dich.
what a great performance! pure musical fun
Arguably one of the greatest drummers of all time. Arguably the most likely to get into an argument with in the first place. Can't help but to forgive his short fuse. RIP Ginger!
Ginger baker sucked both as a drummer and as a human being. I’ve been playing drums a long time and I watch Baker he is the most overrated drummer of that era.
@@louismastrangelo3781 He definitely didn't "suck," but I totally agree that people who haven't been exposed to many genres beyond rock overrate him constantly.
@@louismastrangelo3781who cares what you say.go away.
Ginger Baker war natürlich nicht einer "der größten Schlagzeuger aller Zeiten". Wer das denkt, hat einfach keine Ahnung... Okay, er war natürlich kein schlechter Drummer, aber aus heutiger Sicht... Heutzutage gibt es so hervorragende Schlagzeuger... Alleine wie schnell die mit den Füssen sind. Egal ob im Metalbereich, im Jazzbereich, oder Progressiv-Bereich. Das ist nun einmal so... Aber und das gebe ich gerne zu, Virtuosität ist nicht immer alles... Da spielen auch noch andere Faktoren eine Rolle.
Not arguable, he is one of the greatest ever. Very few equally adept in Jazz as rock
I like the way he adds african rythymns as well as rock and jazz
Ginger blew me away in the solo on Blind Faith “Do What You Like”… it was my first realization of a pure drummer.. i was 13
By the time Blind Faith came around I was done with Baker. He was great in Cream, and I saw them a number of times, but what was he going to add to Blind Faith? Then I saw them live, and once again, he blew me away.
Years - decades - later, I'm driving along and playing the radio, and on comes this song about a dress, and I'm ass-kicked by the powerful drums. What new band has a guy this good? It's Baker; he answered an ad in LA for a band called *"Masters of Reality."* Turn up your sound as loud as you can, and get the full force of his badassness, and the best tom-toms ever: ua-cam.com/video/beyj3BE7RPY/v-deo.html
Brilliant jazz fusion - and wow, Ginger Baker is primal in this. Very cool!
For those of you who don't know, his birth name was Peter Edward Baker. He was nicknamed Ginger for his red hair. 😂😅
This Great jamming sounds like real miles Davis stuff
Keep watching to see if he dropped that joint. The master of the skins ginger baker....he was high as hell
Mr.Ginger was indeed feelin fine..But never missed a beat!!!
Nice Ginger to play Drums with you.
On Headphones.
Sensationell von Markus Wienstroer!
Ginger all chill with that cigarette
Always liked gingers playing..between him..and eric and jack..they uped the anti..as far as being real players..and not the lalypop..back ground players who did all the work..they were truly tjeCREAM of the crop!! After 67..everyone devided to really learn music!! And not just fake it!!!
First time I've seen this. Ginger amazing as always.
Me too! everyone is great here!
One of the Best, if not THE BEST. GB R.I.P.
Brilliant !!
Great veteran drummer.no matter what Ludwig drum kit he’s playing modern kits specially Thay sound great 🥁
King of Ludwig drums 👑🥁
Recorded real good Drum Solo was great
Listen to Ginger playing with Graham Bond. There's a bond between us.
Not a jazz musician. He is closest to Bebop if it had to be jazz, but he’s a rock drummer. Period
Für mich der Beste Drummer 👏👏👏
All that, with a butt hanging out of his mouth. The essence of cool.🥁
It's like his drumming is speaking to the mountains
Ginger RULES!
Mmmmm, great!
Ginger with a J behind his ear as back up and one dangling out his gob! One of the best
They're just rolled cigarettes.
MASTERS
Hey ! I didn't know this ! Great ! :)))))
Am not crazy about jazz fusion but if Ginger Baker is the drummer then oh heck yeah! Well worth watching and hearing!
That's too bad because if you are into drumming then you know Ginger is one of the top rock drummers but in the jazz and fusion world he would be about average. All his idols are jazz drummers btw.
CREAM!
Wish to God I had been able to see Baker play, he gave it all but at the same time didn't give a fuck
I've seen him about five times? I saw him many years ago when he was so out of his face he had to be carried on the stage with a roadie under each armpit. I thought "oh no... this is going to be a car crash" - it wasn't, he played great! Years later I saw him as an old man. He was off illegal drugs, but because of his arthritic spine, he was dosed out of his head on pain killers instead! Still played great ;)
minuteman: I was fortunate to see him in '89 on tour w/ Jack Bruce.
The first set was all Jack, new songs, plus a few Cream songs. with a different drummer.
Set #2 was all old Cream music with Baker drumming his ass off.
Too bad the 3rd Cream member wasn't there, eh ??
I saw that same show twice that yr.(?) At the Coach House, San Juan Caprisano, Ca. & the following month at the Ventura(Ca.) Theater. Do u recall the guitarist? An unknown youngster. Lmk. We called the band ⅔'s Cream. It was our only live experience w/ our idolized heroes. Between those 2 shows, we saw Clapton at the Pacific Amphitheater.
Jack Bruce Band was the better concert. We got to see a Ginger Baker drum solo. Twice. Whoo-ya!
If ,Chick Corea, or Wayne Shorter or and Yes Miles did this also. Then, the comments may change some. Thelonious Monkenstein said: "There are No wrong Notes " I've heard and seen all the Jazz Drummers as I am one also. Would rather Listen to Ginger than Gadd. any day . Yes, because I saw and Heard "Cream" up close .To this friggin day .It was one of the Best shows ,Band ,withstanding a Tsunami. Fuck.
Love Ginger , Randy , the tenor and bass.Have to shut it off guitar sounds and looks like a rooster having a seizure.
strange to see Randy Brecker there
GINGER IS FENOMENAL !
Everybody wanted to be Weather Report back then.
Baker seems to have a regular double-bass config but instead of a 20 and 22 it looks like a 22 and 24!
20 and 22
@@tonylast9181 Correct. And also on many of his kits the bass drums were extra shallow with only 11" or 12" depth.
@@tonylast9181 But on here he does indeed look like having 22 and 24... the ten lugs on the smaller kick is the giveaway! Also the toms look like 13-14 instead of his usual 12-13 setup.
10:50
It's interesting (to me) how Baker is best known for Cream and Blind Faith, and always will be known as one of the great "rock" drummers, but spent the *bulk* of his career after the 1960s making some of the best world music, African-inspired music, and jazz. This is an excellent example.
The audience for this stuff is small though, he's always going to be better known for the more accessible rock stuff. As far as the average music fan is concerned, Ginger just disappeared after Blind Faith, because they would never listen to this stuff even if they knew it existed.
@@PutItAway101 Yes, this is true. I just think it's ironic. And it's also kind of brave, it its own way, because Baker followed his muse without caring about rock star success after Cream. He didn't have as big an audience, but he played what he loved.
The greatest junkie-drummer! R.I.P. Mr. Baker
Amazing drummer and career. Smoked himself to death with cigaretts. Sad RIP
Not sure if that is true - he lived until he was 80, not a bad age for an on and off hard drug user!
Kinda true but I don't think he got diagnosed with COPD until his late 60's which is fucking increidble cause he chain smoked literallly for 60+ years@@SAHBfan
Plus his degenerative osteoarthritis was from all that soda leaching calcium from his bones, smoking and all the bones he broke thorughout his life. He has broke his collar bone and most all of his rips in the past from polo! Still its amazing he didn't get anymore "more" serious@@SAHBfan
I don't get the appeal of Baker's playing at all, but of course it's a subjective reckoning, just like the opinions of those who like his playing. Each to his own taste.
Answered your own question….😉
✌️🤠💥🌟🌀👍
A NECKTIE! Talk about incongruity.
🤣
this is a Fast Show sketch right? I think Louis Balfour has been cut out.
Niiiice
He’s stoned out of his mind
какой это год ?
88
DRUMMER🙏
Ginger does a good job here. But there are a couple of times when he fumbles a bit, especially around the 6.20 mark. I think fell off a bit because he overdid the playing on the tom toms.
Heroin? 😉
Ginger is very good but his solos tend to all be based around using the same tried and tested Afro rhythm tom pattern over and over. Not saying he doesn't play it well but i'd like to hear a wider range of patterns from him.
a mix of what people expect to hear and trying new stuff ..sort of type cast...if billy cobham played this stuff people might be confused...
@@WELLBRAN Billy was and is in different league which is not to say Ginger didn't bring something to the table.
as much as I admire Baker, and I do, he has one solo. But it's basically his, and a signature presentation.
@@DEeMONsworld Agreed.
come on dude. elvin jones, art blakey, and tony williams (post miles) also did the same thing...they played their signature motifs and ideas through an improvisational lens. nobody complains about them playing a "wider range of patterns". listen to the whole discography of those drummers and you will eventually recognize the same ideas played over and over and over in many renditions. it's not that they COULDN'T play more, but when you hear them play you know exactly who it is.
I have never heard anybody but ginger baker play quarter notes on the left bass drum, eighth notes on the right bass drum, and mixed quarter and eighth note triplets against that to create those 4-3 and 6-4 layered polyrhythms. he treated the kit like a drum ensemble ala west african drumming.
10:42 what you came here for
The homeless years...😂
I have to wonder at the wisdom of putting another drummer on the same stage as Ginger Baker. With an ego like his, it would seldom work well.
I never seen baker not play well with other drummers. Check out his dual with blakey.
@@jessenowells2920 or tony allen....ginger plays well with others ..he is a pro..he may not get along with everbody lol RIP Peter Edward Baker!
I like Ginger Baker but where's the melody I know it's Jazz but this kind of sucks people are just playing whatever they want
The melody? This is a free form music very close to free jazz. Do you find melody in free jazz? What kind of music you listen ?
What’s this one called? KlunkY? It’s very KlunkY, It’s like they want to be Weather Report but they couldn’t use that name so they had to name their band..... KlunkY.
If you like ginger baker try ginger baker ‚s air force
Das pferd is german for the horse
He may have been a cantankerous old fart, but boy, he could really play. RIP.
One can tell the conformists in the comments. You don't get why Ginger played that way, and especially why it's important.
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They should expose young offenders to that bet they wouldn't re offend
He's good but will never be john bohnom
And Bonham wasn't Baker. Different guys, different styles - it isn't a championship tournament. Baker always was far more versatile than Bonham, covering far more styles and genres of music - great though Bonham was he basically played one style in one group.
He is now, he’s dead….Bohnam was a tosser…..😉
Apart from Mr Bakers solo this is just nonsensical noise. RIP MR Baker.
You are deaf.
It Used to be called Free Form.
Exactly - except I didn't get to Baker's solo; had to stop the horrible sounds. But I guess I didn't miss a lot, Baker's solos were never interesting. Always the same pap-pappelap-pappelappelap-papap. But he did good with Baker Gurwits Army. I like that a lot.
@@MeBallermani got a lot of doubt that you are capable to write and learn music or play some instrument . Your opinion is incompetent, because this is free form music and is of an higher level of your idols justin bieber and bts. So you cant understand
@@UgoFallavena I'm sure it was a lot of fun to play this set, but I don't find it nice to listen to. Of course, some days are different than other days. In general, I dislike wind instruments, they get to my nerves
I can't play music, only a little drums, but never had a kit, so...
However; if I were a Bieber-fan, or pop-fan, I wouldn't have come to a Baker vid, would I?
Is Bieber especially bad? People always make fun of him.
How can anyone who was as stoned as Baker was for most of his career be a crabby , irritating , irritable hump for most of his life ? I always thought that the weed was a peaceful and tranquil aid to calm you down ? Laugh a little ! Enjoy life and other people ....
This is Terrible, Terrible, Terrible ! Good Music !
Great stuff,apart from the guitar wank. R.I.P Mr B..
What a load of nonsense, I've heard better in my local community centre by eight year old kids.
Rubbish
Musical m@sturbation. And Ginger's playing, timing and double-bass drums are off here. At least in the first 15 minutes. I can't take any more of this wank-fest.
It must be said that it takes biiiiig balls to wank that far.
And that "off" imho is made on purpose, in many ways it reminds me the peculiar way he played "Sunshine of your love" with the snare and the bass drum beats not where one would expect.
don't let it hit ya on the way out.
Brass and horns are horrible. HORRIBLE. How can anybody listen to that. It sounds awful. A pain in the ears. Making these sounds one self could be funny, just to harass people, but listening to it, and claiming it sounds "nice" or "good"? C'mon guys, it's torture.
Its not a music for you,hip hop is yours
@@dietergoes5626 Naw, not hip hop... But don't tell me you find this "good music to listen to"
Who are you? What have you done? Nothing, you're on UA-cam
@@dietergoes5626first you have to learn music , write music , read music and play an instrument . Instead your heroes are Bts and jay z 😂😂😂
Crap!
Beware of Mr. Baker! Go, Ginger!