Another thing the apple cider vinegar does is make the Ph closer to that of the necter. sugar is Ph 6.2 to 6.9 necter is Ph 3.4 to 5.1. this is a good thing as the higher Ph alloows things like chalk brood EFB and AFB to proliferate. There is also some scientic data that it may have an effect on mites too.
Hey Jason, you made a lot less mess than me!! Well done! Just ordering 2 x 50 lb bags and brewers yeast to add in for autumn winter feed next fall. Despite our amazing ivy flow( with pollen) I am convinced that getting the bees and hives full of proteins is one of our most important tasks going in to the winter! I am sure it will help in many ways! 🙏🙌🐝🐝🐝
Hey Richard, Yes I had a decent mess happening in this video. I am anxious to see if the patties get hard once they are out of refrigeration and out in the open air. If you read the side of the bucket it say to use HFCS (High-fructose corn syrup) and not sucrose, did you notice that? I think the HFCS helps to keep the patties pliable. Have you checked you nucs? Did your patties turn hard?
LOL should have seen the state on my Kitchen last night Richard. I got 45 ready to go on the hives in a few days. Misses came home mid-flow, not amused lol
Jason Chrisman patties as of yesterday are soft. I did a little update video and on one of the Patties, the finger test, still lovely and soft! I think that’s why most use the wax cooking paper because it keeps on what’s already there, taking away its ability to dry. However I do reckon certain mixes could go hard, without drying out! I know one Beekeeoer in North America who mixes his and as you say puts the paper , then the blob directly on top of the bees, then moves it around, flattening it out. The moisture content facilitates this too! A big learning curve for me too! Was worth doing it. Good future reference! Looks like you learnt a lot too! Good stuff! Lest see how the bees develop now!!👌🏻😊🐝🐝🐝
j c, π 2 ( pie r square), dowel are round - roll the dowel brother. use 2 paint stirring sticks, one on each side of the patty to get an even rolled thickness.
Funny enough this was exactly what I was doing last night, 45 pollen patties sat in a box waiting for me to put on the hives in a day or so when the weather is better. Great stuff JC
It was fun trying something new. I do think if I person planned to make them every year a concrete mixer would be a huge help. I worked up a sweat mixing all the ingredients. lol Was you recipe close to mine or different?
Many thanks for saying why you have added the apple cider vinegar. I saw people adding vinegar without explaining and providing any reasons why they doing this.
This will definitely save me money cause the patties seemed expensive for what you get. I'm a newbeek and I got the pail of feed last week but the bees didn't seem like they wanted any of that since pollen and nectar are plentiful right now. Good to know that I have several ways I can use it to feed them in the future when it is needed.
Hey Jason sorry it cold there use to live south of Columbus. SW Florida the bees are out and yesterday I went and got and old gas grill just the shell mind you but the bees in it are about 70 pounds. Gentle too. I am thankful for the gentle part first beehive and first time I wrangled bees today they are all over sugar water. Here there is tons in bloom I don't think I need to feed pollen they are bringing a lot in.
Great video Jason. thanks for sharing the recipe for the patties. Looks like your snow is almost gone. I will send you a few truck loads from Montreal. We are getting hit with another snow fall today, about 10 inches. Take care. Tim
Might be an idea to only add 3/4 of the water just in case you got your mix slightly off, you can always add more but if its sloppy your stuck especially if you have used all your ingredients in the batch. the bees will clean the bucket 😉
It was fun trying something new that's for sure. I was really surprised how many I got too. I agree pre-made is expensive if you need very many. Best of luck with yours.
I've used patties in the past, worked fine. I've gotten lazy in my old age though and I hate eating up freezer space to store them. I just started making pollen frames with drawn out comb frames. I trade one frame from the outside edge of the box with my pollen frame. Goes pretty fast and it's not very messy. The cells usually always angle up just a tad and it stays in there pretty well if you're not too reckless with them. If some spills inside the hive big deal. Obviously it's not going to supply the other stuff you have mixed in there but I'm not sure how much of that I'd consider "needed"....just more expense and the pollen sub isn't cheap.
So your pouring the dry pollen sub into the cells of the frames? I've done this with syrup but never pollen sub.. Are you sure they are using it? I may need to try this idea, it almost sounds too easy though. lol
@@JCsBees I've never had bees NOT clean it up. I dunno, maybe if they had a strong influx of natural pollen maybe they wouldn't. Yeah I just pour it straight on the frame and tap the frame to shake it down in the cells. I took the idea from Michael Palmer, he runs pollen traps so he uses real pollen but he makes and uses them to raise queens. I figured if it worked for that then why not just use the concept to give the bees their boost in the spring for buildup. It seems more efficient than free feeding and I don't have to deal with rain or feeders or the mess of pollen patties. However I'll say that patties do have some advantages...like plopping them in without breaking completely in the hive besides the other stuff you have in there may be good to have in there.
Nice job Jason. I've enjoyed watching your stuff for sometime now. You mix up your pollen sub a little different then me. I like how you added the sugar into the the mega bee mixture. I may try it that way this year (in a few weeks). I trap pollen and put it in the freezer and add it in with the mega bee mix, the bees chow it down. One again great job, enjoy the videos, stay well, and best of luck. Jim - New Hampshire.
Thanks for being a fan, Jim. I bet the bees do love having real pollen in the patties. I need to try that next time. I trap a little pollen each year too. Best of luck with your bees!
Anxiously waiting for my bees Jason hopefully I get a phone call before June😉 for sure I won't have to make pollen patties this spring, and hope your cattle aren't turning your pastures to a mud hole.😏 we're are swimming in mud here chickens aren't very happy
@Barry Ballard Not sure how I missed your comment but I did, sorry! I bet you are anxious for your bees. I am the same for bees season to start so I can start building them up. The last week or so we have been missed by the rains so we are too muddy here right now but we did have our share a few wees back. I hate when chickens have to walk in mud, that just mean really dirty eggs.
Im waiting to put on my patties this year. I'll put out the dry pollen tho. I see next week will have a couple of warm days but the nights are still below freezing. My hives still have some of the sugar cakes mixed with winter patties so i think that will buy me another week or 2. March is so unpredictable in our region. great video! Thanks Jason.
@Robert Wiley Like Joe said, it's hard to feed dry pollen to bees inside the hive. In the spring when we have cool days or nights the bees don't go far from the cluster and I don't know of anyway to feed pollen closer to them than with a patty. Plus, I believe they need some kinda moisture to eat it. When they collect pollen they add nectar.
Ha Jason good video. I did this 1 time but I found that you can buy the pollen patties already made up for the same price as the dry so I just buy the patties now it cost more to make them because u have to buy the sugar. any way just a thought u have a great day and again this was a good video
Hmmm...... At my last look at prices it was $35 for 10 Ultra Bee Patties and about the same for the bucket of dry pollen. The difference is the bucket of dry pollen along with my recipe make well over 40 patties. So as you gain 30+ patties by making your own.
Great stuff. Question. Jason I have new queens arriving next Wednesday afternoon. Is it ok to take the old queens out 24 hours ahead of time? Is that too early? Or should I do it like 8 to 10 hours early? Grateful for your help.
Hi Jason, I have a question not directly related to pollen patties, but about over-wintering. Some northern beekeepers use brood-box wraps to help the bees keep the boxes warm enough to survive northern climates. What do you think about using hay bales stacked around the hives? Since I've had horses all my life, I'm a huge fan of using hay to keep small critters warm--we over-wintered a cage of guinea pigs in our hay barn by stacking bales all around the cage, just leaving room to get in to feed and water. Guinea pigs are native to South America, and don't handle cold weather well at all. They did great in our hay barn. Is there any reason you couldn't do the same concept with bee hives--assuming you have the bales handy. I'm not sure hay would be cheaper than hive wraps, but just wanted to ask what you thought about it. Thanks!
Hello, First let me explain that I think wrapping is a waste of time. I personally don't think bees have a hard time handling cold weather they've been overwintering without the help of beekeepers for many years. I think wrapping just causes the hive to warm up to easily which then warms up the bees who break cluster and eat. I rather see the bees stay clustered so food stores last. That said, I do think a wind block is a great idea and hay bales would work great. The only concern I would have is the mice that will be drawn to the bales which could try to get in to hive. Maybe if you keep enough space between bales and bees you would be alright. Just make sure to use good mouse guards.
@@JCsBees Yes, hay does tend to draw mice--we had the dickens of a time fighting mice in the guinea pig cage! LOL, those guinea pigs eventually found their way into my cousin's daughter's classroom! Really no place for them on a working farm, tbh, although they are great pets. Thank you for the response, I wondered about the "nature vs. nurture" issue. Cheers!
Everyone out there who using this recipe and theirs comes out to runny 0.65lb of water is 1.25 cups, sugar is 3.63 cups for granulated sugar, also tip do everything else first and just add ultra bee until it becomes like cookie dough.
Seems quite involved. May be it is better to have 2 box broodboxes and give them whatever they put in them? Again I don't know what is your climate and how long your summer is. But looking on the video in March you have snow tells me that your winter is longer than our as we do not have snow at all. The lowest temperature is -7 C at night and I can count number of such days on 1 hand. Generally we have from -5 to +2C at night and +8 to +13 dusring the day.But I do not like option of double broodbox as it would require rotating to force queen go down in sprint. For example the very first small bush I have start blossoming 3-4 weeks ago 1 or 2nd week of Aug(equiv of Feb in nothern hemisphere) today on 7 sep many trees blossoming in full and some already finished. 3 weeks ago I saw a beeeater was in the another blossoming plant catching bees.
You can stick them in refrigeration like I mentioned until needed. If you keep them cool they keep for a long time. I have kept them well over a before.
@@JCsBees that's your territory. It really does not get cold enough to stop the bees. They slow down but can get some kind of pollen year round. But I really did just get a wild hive yesterday. It is my first hive. It has a lot of hive beetles. That is my very first order of business. They have to go. I have to remove the hive from an old gas grill. I will reduce the number of hive beetles then and then beetle traps and possibly oxalic acid. But I do not see the point in giving them pollen. I watched them today their numbers are strong and they are bringing in pollen in a steady flow. I do have sugar syrup feeders and gave them that as soon as I brought them home.
Rule of thumb is not to feed patties if its below freezing because they need water. Have you had any problems or can you confirm or deny this? I have not tried it and really don't want to experiment but I want them to come out of winter stronger than they went in. I live in AR so shouldn't be to hard considering our coldest average high is 50
The advantage with patties is it's way easier to feed inside the hive than dry pollen. The dry pollen is usually placed in feeders away from the hive and this time of year the bees can't always get out of the hive to get to it.
Hi Jason. Good video mate but I think your patties are to big. We make allot of pollen patties and have found if you make them to big allot goes to waste. We make ours about a quarter of the size of yours. We are nuc/queen breeders situated in Western Australia and find it works for us on our big hives. Our nuc patties are even smaller as you would expect. Enjoy watching your channel to see how you guys do it over there. Hope you have a good season as we have had the worst season in 55 years! Next year will be better😅😅😅
@Eddie Naude The reason I made my so big was to make sure they could access them on chill spring days. I wanted to make sure they would cover several frames. You could be 100% correct and if so I will make adjustments next time I make patties. I appreciate the insight and thanks for being a fan of my channel. Why was it such a bad year for you?
Jason our weather in Australia was totally abnormal and we never got going at all as the nectar flows we uncharacteristically sporadic and short. The whole beekeeping community here say it's been the worst season ever. We have fed all season just to keep the bees alive. Most people aren't harvesting instead leaving what honey there is for the bees. Watch your season closely maybe this is going to be a worldwide trend this season. Hope not. I was watching Barnyard Bees and his Maple tree flow was a washout this year??? Keep us posted on how your season unfolds.
Bought a 50# bag last year and a 10# bucket the year before. Have yet to use up the bucket. We won't mention the 2 40# boxes I have in the freezer that I also bought 2 years ago 😂 I think I need a lot more bees and a better way to feed it to them 😊
Just lost a hive for that very reason. They died in less than 5 days. Which has me wondering how long does a bee hive last when they can't move? Our maples bloomed two weeks ago. Thanks for the by the pound breakout!!
As long as they have food close during the cold period they should be fine. It sounds like yours needed warmer weather to move to more food. Or maybe you should have put dry sugar on top of the frames so they had something to eat. Have you seen my video on "The Mountain Camp Method"? Sorry to hear the sad news.
Hi Jason, you just got one subscriber from overseas. I have 2 questions. Would it make any difference if you added some honey, not pure though, it contains honey from feeding with sugar. Also why do you add the vegetable oil, is it essential? Thank you for your video. Great one.
Awesome, thanks for subscribing! I think honey would be a great addition but I wouldn't know how much to tell you to add, you would have to experiment. The oil is to keep moisture in the patties, at least that is my belief.
@@JCsBees thank you so much Jason. Im always using more honey than water when doing the patties. In that way I don't need to put the oil as it keeps the moisture. Keep it up, by the way where in Ohio are you, I was studying at OSU in the mid 90s. Go buckeyes :)
Hi Jason, I just discovered your channel today. I’m fairly new to beekeeping, and I believe our bee yards are fairly close to each other. I live near 62 and 661, in McKean township. My question is about wintering nucs. I’m a big fan of David at barnyard bees. He’s claiming he can get a 2 frame nuc through the winter in North Georgia. I know that’s not possible in our area, but I was wondering what your experience has been with getting nucs through the central Ohio winter. Is it possible to get a packed out 5 frame nuc, through the winter successfully? Any information would be greatly appreciated, and keep up the good work!
@Josh Shreve Sounds like we are a little distance from each other but not much, I am outside Martinsburg just off 586. As far as overwintering nuc it can be done and I am doing it. I haven't had luck with single 5 framers but I have with 5 over 5. I have several of them right now that are doing great. I don't really have any tricks to share, just feed a bunch in the Fall and make sure they have plenty of food for winter. Also make sure to manage them mites.
Jason when are you releasing the making of the caps for the provap? I made one today and it looks terrible but it should work. By the way Kelly Bees has 10lb Ultra Bee Dry Pollen for $25.95 shipping varys I think depending on location. Mann Lake was cheaper for me....
I bought a 2" x 4" Teflon Rod and cut it into 4 pieces and made a mini lathe using a electric hand drill. I turned the cap down on my franken lathe and then used the drill press to removed the material on the inside. Like I said the first one doesn't look pretty but I'm hoping my next ones are better looking and fit better do to trial and error. By the way can you freeze these pollen patties you made? How long can you keep them in the freezer? I may just buy some premade to have them on hand. I hope to have my 2 Nucs real soon ! I CANT WAIT !
Hi Jason, thanks for the informative video. Can you clarify one thing please. Regarding the vegetable oil, is the quantity measures table spoons or tea spoons? Both measures have been quoted. Many thanks Pete (from England)
I dunno Jason....recipe worked just fine for me. I don't think the bees are that picky. Thanks for sharing that recipe. Note to self though...never ever use both hands while mixing. Now I got pollen paddy all over the kitchen. LOL
Glad you to hear you used the recipe and yes it can get messy very fast if your not careful. lol Just keep an eye on the patties after you add them to your colonies, hive beetles love them.
I am also located in Ohio and was wondering if you was putting pollen patties in your hive yet?? I am 2nd year beekeeper and so far all 7 hives are still alive!!! Just wanted your input thanks.
Jason do you do any fall pollen feeding? I was reading on Scientific Beekeeping "Fat Bees" he feeds pollen in the fall as well, and his hives are over twice as strong come Spring, yielding better splits/honey crop. Im going to use this mixture and try it this week. Was curious on your experience.
I think feeding patties in the Fall is a great idea you just have to be careful they don't get infested with small hive beetles due to the patties. I suggest only feeding what the bees can eat in a few day then add more. Best of luck Adam!
Very nice! I'm guessing you're not in the dog house because it doesn't look like you made too big of a mess! Good info on watching the maple trees as far as timing goes. Mind if I ask what the tattoo on arm is/says? Take care, spring is coming!
No dog house here my friend. I am in good standing with the wife at least at this minute. lol As far as watching nature, I think it's best. I want to eventually get all the cattle to start calving when the deer are. It just makes since to go by nature and not by when you feel it's the right time. The tattoo..... I have had it since 2003 right after my brother was murdered. My brother turned in a guy in his apartment building for being a child predator. A few weeks later the guy returned and knocked on his door, when my brother opened the door he was shot in the chest and died minutes later. It's something I don't talk about much but not because it bothers me. I am just the type to keep stuff like that to myself even though talking would probably do me a world of good. The book I picked the tat from said it stood for spiritual energy, no idea rather it really does or not. lol I went and bought a tattoo gun and did it and one on my leg myself. The one on my leg is a sun with my brother initials in it. I must say in 10 years of making videos, you are the first to ask about the tattoo. Thanks for that seriously, it felt good to share! :)
I'm glad you're not in the dog house! I had to laugh when you said how sticky and messy you might make the kitchen! Yes indeed, nature knows best! It's always good to take note of natural cycles and learn from them when we can! I seen your tattoo and though I knew it wasn't Hangul, but it looked to be some kind of writing and I just had to ask. When I first started reading your reply about the tattoo I initially regretted asking to be honest because I had no idea the meaning behind it. That is an incredibly sad and touching story. It definitely pulled at my heart strings reading it and I am very sorry for your loss! Thank you for sharing! For just buying a tattoo gun and doing it yourself, I think you did an fantastic job! I think you and I are a lot alike when it comes to taking DIY to it's fullest potential. lol. Take care!
You said 10 lbs pollen sub but your recipe card shows 13 lbs. Also, there are 16 TBL in a cup, so 32 TBL in 2 cups. If you are dividing that by 10 lbs, that would be 3.2 TBL oil per lb of sub.
Thanks for the video. I just want to mention that I think you made a mistake in your recipe for the ONE pound. You have 2.5 TEAspoons and I think you meant TABLEspoons. If the 10 pound recipe is correct, 10x2.5 Tablespoons comes out to 1 1/2 cups. If it was teaspoons, it would be 1/2 cup plus one teaspoon.
Awesome video Jason. Where do you place the pattie? I heard the correct way is to place them between brood and honey super (on top of the queen excluder), but that means more work (remove the honey supers first). Do you think it's ok to place over the honey super ( under the beehive lid?) Thanks 🐝😊
Just started seeing hive beetles last summer. I credit that to all the dampness. I am not really worried about beetles this early in the season though. Do you have them up north?
@@JCsBees last year was my worst summer with them. My week hives were having numbers of 30 to 50 hive beetles. Talked to a local bee keeper and he told me stop using pollen patties
I guess maybe it would be worth figuring out more about the hive beetles to see if they are a threat in the spring. I would imagine they would need a certain temperature to incubate. I know they live in soil.
@@deandufour6424 From what I have read, if hive beetles are a problem you don't necessarily need to stop using pollen patties. The problem is how long they sit on the frames. I can't remember the source but they said to cut the patties, paper and all, into thirds or quarters so that they are eaten quick enough that they don't also provide for pests.
In S.C., we have infestations of hive beetles. They thrive in shady, damp, & high humidity places. We can clean them up & control them with beetle traps & wintergreen oil.
@@JCsBees frist.i am glad that you answered my question.what should i use in the absence of pollen.what is similar to flower pollen? for example soybean,corn flour,pea flour??🤔 thanks
No problem, Bruce! Glad you enjoyed it. As far as the thumbs down, that was given within minutes of releasing the video. It's kinda funny to me because there is no way they watched the video, they just gave it a thumbs down. lol I think someone is a bit jealous there channel isn't getting any attention.
@Bruce Kellman I honestly think I know who the person is. I don't want to mention who but if you go back to my old videos I had another person in some of them.
I think your vegetable oil calculation is wrong, should be tablespoons, not teaspoons for the by the pound breakdown. for butter 1/2 a cup is 8 tablespoons so 1.5 cups is 24 tablespoons, a tablespoon is equal to three teaspoons.
girls will appriciated you for been kind and nice to them!
Thank you for a great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Another thing the apple cider vinegar does is make the Ph closer to that of the necter. sugar is Ph 6.2 to 6.9 necter is Ph 3.4 to 5.1. this is a good thing as the higher Ph alloows things like chalk brood EFB and AFB to proliferate. There is also some scientic data that it may have an effect on mites too.
You have a really good way you explain things. Real pleasure learning from you brother.
I appreciate that!
Thanks for your suggesting of adding vinager. I've noticed my homemade proteïne mixtures are very prone to molds. I will give it a try.
Thanks! I'm a new bee keeper and wondered when I should feed the patties.
Winter or cold weather when the wild is not producing adequate pollen.
Sir ...you are great. Theses words are small for you....because you put everything weight in your box for HELP us🤲🤲🤲THANKS
Hey Jason, you made a lot less mess than me!! Well done! Just ordering 2 x 50 lb bags and brewers yeast to add in for autumn winter feed next fall. Despite our amazing ivy flow( with pollen) I am convinced that getting the bees and hives full of proteins is one of our most important tasks going in to the winter!
I am sure it will help in many ways!
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Hey Richard, Yes I had a decent mess happening in this video. I am anxious to see if the patties get hard once they are out of refrigeration and out in the open air. If you read the side of the bucket it say to use HFCS (High-fructose corn syrup) and not sucrose, did you notice that? I think the HFCS helps to keep the patties pliable. Have you checked you nucs? Did your patties turn hard?
LOL should have seen the state on my Kitchen last night Richard. I got 45 ready to go on the hives in a few days. Misses came home mid-flow, not amused lol
Jason Chrisman patties as of yesterday are soft. I did a little update video and on one of the Patties, the finger test, still lovely and soft! I think that’s why most use the wax cooking paper because it keeps on what’s already there, taking away its ability to dry. However I do reckon certain mixes could go hard, without drying out!
I know one Beekeeoer in North America who mixes his and as you say puts the paper , then the blob directly on top of the bees, then moves it around, flattening it out. The moisture content facilitates this too! A big learning curve for me too! Was worth doing it. Good future reference! Looks like you learnt a lot too! Good stuff! Lest see how the bees develop now!!👌🏻😊🐝🐝🐝
UK Here We Grow may the force be with you my friend!! ( being divorced helps me greatly!!😂)
Nice, for bees food
Feeding bees with Pollen Patties is my new favorite thing.
j c, π 2 ( pie r square), dowel are round - roll the dowel brother. use 2 paint stirring sticks, one on each side of the patty to get an even rolled thickness.
Funny enough this was exactly what I was doing last night, 45 pollen patties sat in a box waiting for me to put on the hives in a day or so when the weather is better. Great stuff JC
It was fun trying something new. I do think if I person planned to make them every year a concrete mixer would be a huge help. I worked up a sweat mixing all the ingredients. lol
Was you recipe close to mine or different?
Many thanks for saying why you have added the apple cider vinegar. I saw people adding vinegar without explaining and providing any reasons why they doing this.
I just bought a 10lb bucket from MannLake :)
Just a suggestion, put it in a large mixing bowl and use a hook mixer. Put in all the liquid first then gradually add the pollen sub.
This will definitely save me money cause the patties seemed expensive for what you get. I'm a newbeek and I got the pail of feed last week but the bees didn't seem like they wanted any of that since pollen and nectar are plentiful right now. Good to know that I have several ways I can use it to feed them in the future when it is needed.
Bucket and mixer works well too not messy at all
Hey Jason sorry it cold there use to live south of Columbus. SW Florida the bees are out and yesterday I went and got and old gas grill just the shell mind you but the bees in it are about 70 pounds. Gentle too. I am thankful for the gentle part first beehive and first time I wrangled bees today they are all over sugar water. Here there is tons in bloom I don't think I need to feed pollen they are bringing a lot in.
Thanks
Great video Jason. thanks for sharing the recipe for the patties. Looks like your snow is almost gone. I will send you a few truck loads from Montreal. We are getting hit with another snow fall today, about 10 inches. Take care. Tim
Oh no, Tim, you can keep that snow up north. lol Hope the weather breaks for you soon my friend. Be safe and keep warm!!
Might be an idea to only add 3/4 of the water just in case you got your mix slightly off, you can always add more but if its sloppy your stuck especially if you have used all your ingredients in the batch. the bees will clean the bucket 😉
Definitely wish I had read the comments first - way too much water for my 16c of sugar.
cool video man, next time u can use a pastry mixer or baker mixer for bread (kind of kitchen aid) make it much easier and clenear.
Hi Jason
A good method , I found if unused by the bees bag up and freeze till next time 🐝
Great tip! Thanks for sharing!
Solid thumbs up. Nice job. Think I will do this as well. Buying pre made is getting costly.
It was fun trying something new that's for sure. I was really surprised how many I got too. I agree pre-made is expensive if you need very many. Best of luck with yours.
I've used patties in the past, worked fine. I've gotten lazy in my old age though and I hate eating up freezer space to store them. I just started making pollen frames with drawn out comb frames. I trade one frame from the outside edge of the box with my pollen frame. Goes pretty fast and it's not very messy. The cells usually always angle up just a tad and it stays in there pretty well if you're not too reckless with them. If some spills inside the hive big deal. Obviously it's not going to supply the other stuff you have mixed in there but I'm not sure how much of that I'd consider "needed"....just more expense and the pollen sub isn't cheap.
So your pouring the dry pollen sub into the cells of the frames? I've done this with syrup but never pollen sub.. Are you sure they are using it? I may need to try this idea, it almost sounds too easy though. lol
@@JCsBees I've never had bees NOT clean it up. I dunno, maybe if they had a strong influx of natural pollen maybe they wouldn't. Yeah I just pour it straight on the frame and tap the frame to shake it down in the cells. I took the idea from Michael Palmer, he runs pollen traps so he uses real pollen but he makes and uses them to raise queens. I figured if it worked for that then why not just use the concept to give the bees their boost in the spring for buildup. It seems more efficient than free feeding and I don't have to deal with rain or feeders or the mess of pollen patties. However I'll say that patties do have some advantages...like plopping them in without breaking completely in the hive besides the other stuff you have in there may be good to have in there.
That would work on the better comb 🤷♂️
This is killer been looking for a recipe
Thanks for the great information. Didn't know anything about this.
Jason, do you have a recipe for winter pollen patties? Do you use less pollen to prevent the queen from laying eggs in the winter?
I do not have a winter patty recipe, sorry! It would take far less pollen though like you said.
Nice job Jason. I've enjoyed watching your stuff for sometime now. You mix up your pollen sub a little different then me. I like how you added the sugar into the the mega bee mixture. I may try it that way this year (in a few weeks). I trap pollen and put it in the freezer and add it in with the mega bee mix, the bees chow it down. One again great job, enjoy the videos, stay well, and best of luck. Jim - New Hampshire.
Thanks for being a fan, Jim. I bet the bees do love having real pollen in the patties. I need to try that next time. I trap a little pollen each year too. Best of luck with your bees!
I'm thinking a heavy plastic bag with the corner cut out would make a large piping bag -put the mix in and pipe out the desired quantity
Great idea
Nice 👌
An easy way to mix it would be to use a plaster mixer on the end of a hand drill at a low speed.
from us nn you use the pollen pie could give me a link where I can buy that powder that I assume is pollen thanks
Link is under video in descriptions.
I have a question does the colony goes into winter in 1 or 2 broodboxes? I suppose no supers on top?
Anxiously waiting for my bees Jason hopefully I get a phone call before June😉 for sure I won't have to make pollen patties this spring, and hope your cattle aren't turning your pastures to a mud hole.😏 we're are swimming in mud here chickens aren't very happy
@Barry Ballard Not sure how I missed your comment but I did, sorry! I bet you are anxious for your bees. I am the same for bees season to start so I can start building them up.
The last week or so we have been missed by the rains so we are too muddy here right now but we did have our share a few wees back. I hate when chickens have to walk in mud, that just mean really dirty eggs.
Im waiting to put on my patties this year. I'll put out the dry pollen tho. I see next week will have a couple of warm days but the nights are still below freezing. My hives still have some of the sugar cakes mixed with winter patties so i think that will buy me another week or 2. March is so unpredictable in our region. great video! Thanks Jason.
I hope so I'm in the middle of tapping a lot of maple trees, 20s at night and 40s 50s during the day suit me just fine for the next week or so
Jason. I am not a beekeeper but am thinking about starting. Why not just dry feed the pollen? why patties.
One reason is it is easier to apply. You just lay the patty on paper on top of the frames.
@Robert Wiley Like Joe said, it's hard to feed dry pollen to bees inside the hive. In the spring when we have cool days or nights the bees don't go far from the cluster and I don't know of anyway to feed pollen closer to them than with a patty. Plus, I believe they need some kinda moisture to eat it. When they collect pollen they add nectar.
Can the pollen patties be frozen to keep them for future use should I not need all at once? I only have three hives.
Yes. I mentioned that they could be refrigerated until used at the end of the video. Best of luck!
How do you store this patties? Do they have to be refrigerated?
Yes you have to refrigerate.
Ha Jason good video. I did this 1 time but I found that you can buy the pollen patties already made up for the same price as the dry so I just buy the patties now it cost more to make them because u have to buy the sugar. any way just a thought u have a great day and again this was a good video
Hmmm...... At my last look at prices it was $35 for 10 Ultra Bee Patties and about the same for the bucket of dry pollen. The difference is the bucket of dry pollen along with my recipe make well over 40 patties. So as you gain 30+ patties by making your own.
Great stuff.
Question. Jason I have new queens arriving next Wednesday afternoon. Is it ok to take the old queens out 24 hours ahead of time? Is that too early? Or should I do it like 8 to 10 hours early? Grateful for your help.
Hi Jason, I have a question not directly related to pollen patties, but about over-wintering. Some northern beekeepers use brood-box wraps to help the bees keep the boxes warm enough to survive northern climates. What do you think about using hay bales stacked around the hives? Since I've had horses all my life, I'm a huge fan of using hay to keep small critters warm--we over-wintered a cage of guinea pigs in our hay barn by stacking bales all around the cage, just leaving room to get in to feed and water. Guinea pigs are native to South America, and don't handle cold weather well at all. They did great in our hay barn. Is there any reason you couldn't do the same concept with bee hives--assuming you have the bales handy. I'm not sure hay would be cheaper than hive wraps, but just wanted to ask what you thought about it. Thanks!
Hello, First let me explain that I think wrapping is a waste of time. I personally don't think bees have a hard time handling cold weather they've been overwintering without the help of beekeepers for many years. I think wrapping just causes the hive to warm up to easily which then warms up the bees who break cluster and eat. I rather see the bees stay clustered so food stores last. That said, I do think a wind block is a great idea and hay bales would work great. The only concern I would have is the mice that will be drawn to the bales which could try to get in to hive. Maybe if you keep enough space between bales and bees you would be alright. Just make sure to use good mouse guards.
@@JCsBees Yes, hay does tend to draw mice--we had the dickens of a time fighting mice in the guinea pig cage! LOL, those guinea pigs eventually found their way into my cousin's daughter's classroom! Really no place for them on a working farm, tbh, although they are great pets. Thank you for the response, I wondered about the "nature vs. nurture" issue. Cheers!
Everyone out there who using this recipe and theirs comes out to runny 0.65lb of water is 1.25 cups, sugar is 3.63 cups for granulated sugar, also tip do everything else first and just add ultra bee until it becomes like cookie dough.
Seems quite involved. May be it is better to have 2 box broodboxes and give them whatever they put in them? Again I don't know what is your climate and how long your summer is. But looking on the video in March you have snow tells me that your winter is longer than our as we do not have snow at all. The lowest temperature is -7 C at night and I can count number of such days on 1 hand. Generally we have from -5 to +2C at night and +8 to +13 dusring the day.But I do not like option of double broodbox as it would require rotating to force queen go down in sprint. For example the very first small bush I have start blossoming 3-4 weeks ago 1 or 2nd week of Aug(equiv of Feb in nothern hemisphere) today on 7 sep many trees blossoming in full and some already finished. 3 weeks ago I saw a beeeater was in the another blossoming plant catching bees.
May i know what type of flower is pollen made from?. I found pollen powder made from hibiscus, jasmine etc. Can we use it?.
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So how long will the patties keep before going bad? Just curious how far in advance you can make them?
You can stick them in refrigeration like I mentioned until needed. If you keep them cool they keep for a long time. I have kept them well over a before.
@@JCsBees I must have missed the refrigeration part. Thanks.
Can I use hemp oil as opposed to vegetable oil. Hemp oil will contain amino acids and triglycerides that vegetable oil just will not.
I wouldn't see why not. It would interesting to have a patty made of each and give them both to a colony and see how they react.
@@JCsBees that's your territory. It really does not get cold enough to stop the bees. They slow down but can get some kind of pollen year round. But I really did just get a wild hive yesterday. It is my first hive. It has a lot of hive beetles. That is my very first order of business. They have to go. I have to remove the hive from an old gas grill. I will reduce the number of hive beetles then and then beetle traps and possibly oxalic acid. But I do not see the point in giving them pollen. I watched them today their numbers are strong and they are bringing in pollen in a steady flow. I do have sugar syrup feeders and gave them that as soon as I brought them home.
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Rule of thumb is not to feed patties if its below freezing because they need water. Have you had any problems or can you confirm or deny this? I have not tried it and really don't want to experiment but I want them to come out of winter stronger than they went in. I live in AR so shouldn't be to hard considering our coldest average high is 50
Can you freeze these? Awesome Videos sir
Sure can! Just make sure you wrap them well with wax paper.
Jason Chrisman awesome. Your videos are helpful. Getting bees this spring here in RI
What is the advantage of patties vs dry pollen sub?
The advantage with patties is it's way easier to feed inside the hive than dry pollen. The dry pollen is usually placed in feeders away from the hive and this time of year the bees can't always get out of the hive to get to it.
Thanks!
Hi Jason. Good video mate but I think your patties are to big. We make allot of pollen patties and have found if you make them to big allot goes to waste. We make ours about a quarter of the size of yours. We are nuc/queen breeders situated in Western Australia and find it works for us on our big hives. Our nuc patties are even smaller as you would expect. Enjoy watching your channel to see how you guys do it over there. Hope you have a good season as we have had the worst season in 55 years! Next year will be better😅😅😅
@Eddie Naude The reason I made my so big was to make sure they could access them on chill spring days. I wanted to make sure they would cover several frames. You could be 100% correct and if so I will make adjustments next time I make patties. I appreciate the insight and thanks for being a fan of my channel. Why was it such a bad year for you?
Jason our weather in Australia was totally abnormal and we never got going at all as the nectar flows we uncharacteristically sporadic and short. The whole beekeeping community here say it's been the worst season ever. We have fed all season just to keep the bees alive. Most people aren't harvesting instead leaving what honey there is for the bees. Watch your season closely maybe this is going to be a worldwide trend this season. Hope not. I was watching Barnyard Bees and his Maple tree flow was a washout this year??? Keep us posted on how your season unfolds.
I wonder if it was weather based. I will surely keep everyone posted on my nectar flows.
So...did they like your blend....I’ve tried making them....and they ignored it....
The oil and the vinegar attracts beetles
Honey instead of water
16 tablespoon = 1 cup so should that not bee 3.2 tablespoons of oil?
Bought a 50# bag last year and a 10# bucket the year before. Have yet to use up the bucket. We won't mention the 2 40# boxes I have in the freezer that I also bought 2 years ago 😂 I think I need a lot more bees and a better way to feed it to them 😊
It sounds like your well stocked! lol
Just lost a hive for that very reason. They died in less than 5 days. Which has me wondering how long does a bee hive last when they can't move? Our maples bloomed two weeks ago. Thanks for the by the pound breakout!!
As long as they have food close during the cold period they should be fine. It sounds like yours needed warmer weather to move to more food. Or maybe you should have put dry sugar on top of the frames so they had something to eat. Have you seen my video on "The Mountain Camp Method"? Sorry to hear the sad news.
Hi Jason, you just got one subscriber from overseas. I have 2 questions. Would it make any difference if you added some honey, not pure though, it contains honey from feeding with sugar. Also why do you add the vegetable oil, is it essential?
Thank you for your video. Great one.
Awesome, thanks for subscribing! I think honey would be a great addition but I wouldn't know how much to tell you to add, you would have to experiment. The oil is to keep moisture in the patties, at least that is my belief.
@@JCsBees thank you so much Jason. Im always using more honey than water when doing the patties. In that way I don't need to put the oil as it keeps the moisture. Keep it up, by the way where in Ohio are you, I was studying at OSU in the mid 90s. Go buckeyes :)
Hi Jason, I just discovered your channel today. I’m fairly new to beekeeping, and I believe our bee yards are fairly close to each other. I live near 62 and 661, in McKean township. My question is about wintering nucs. I’m a big fan of David at barnyard bees. He’s claiming he can get a 2 frame nuc through the winter in North Georgia. I know that’s not possible in our area, but I was wondering what your experience has been with getting nucs through the central Ohio winter. Is it possible to get a packed out 5 frame nuc, through the winter successfully? Any information would be greatly appreciated, and keep up the good work!
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@Josh Shreve Sounds like we are a little distance from each other but not much, I am outside Martinsburg just off 586. As far as overwintering nuc it can be done and I am doing it. I haven't had luck with single 5 framers but I have with 5 over 5. I have several of them right now that are doing great. I don't really have any tricks to share, just feed a bunch in the Fall and make sure they have plenty of food for winter. Also make sure to manage them mites.
Can I use some other oil instead of vegetable oil which is gmo soy and corn ?
I wouldn't see why not. Good points your bring up here too. Thanks!
Jason when are you releasing the making of the caps for the provap? I made one today and it looks terrible but it should work. By the way Kelly Bees has 10lb Ultra Bee Dry Pollen for $25.95 shipping varys I think depending on location. Mann Lake was cheaper for me....
My ProVap cap video will be released tomorrow morning. What did you use to make your cap? Good to know about dry pollen, thanks for sharing!
I bought a 2" x 4" Teflon Rod and cut it into 4 pieces and made a mini lathe using a electric hand drill. I turned the cap down on my franken lathe and then used the drill press to removed the material on the inside. Like I said the first one doesn't look pretty but I'm hoping my next ones are better looking and fit better do to trial and error. By the way can you freeze these pollen patties you made? How long can you keep them in the freezer? I may just buy some premade to have them on hand. I hope to have my 2 Nucs real soon ! I CANT WAIT !
How do you store them before use?
I have mine in refrigeration.
if bees are bringing in pollen can you feed a pollen patty around this week in march?
I seen pollen the other day and am planning to add my patties in the next few days. So sure!!
Hi Jason, thanks for the informative video. Can you clarify one thing please. Regarding the vegetable oil, is the quantity measures table spoons or tea spoons? Both measures have been quoted.
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I dunno Jason....recipe worked just fine for me. I don't think the bees are that picky. Thanks for sharing that recipe. Note to self though...never ever use both hands while mixing. Now I got pollen paddy all over the kitchen. LOL
Glad you to hear you used the recipe and yes it can get messy very fast if your not careful. lol Just keep an eye on the patties after you add them to your colonies, hive beetles love them.
I am also located in Ohio and was wondering if you was putting pollen patties in your hive yet?? I am 2nd year beekeeper and so far all 7 hives are still alive!!! Just wanted your input thanks.
I haven't yet but I have been meaning to add them. I seen 3 different pollens coming in last week when we hit 70°.
Jason do you do any fall pollen feeding? I was reading on Scientific Beekeeping "Fat Bees" he feeds pollen in the fall as well, and his hives are over twice as strong come Spring, yielding better splits/honey crop. Im going to use this mixture and try it this week. Was curious on your experience.
I think feeding patties in the Fall is a great idea you just have to be careful they don't get infested with small hive beetles due to the patties. I suggest only feeding what the bees can eat in a few day then add more. Best of luck Adam!
Damn I just ordered a 50lb bag of ultrabee to have for next spring and maybe some in this summer that stuff going to last me for ever.
Can you use rice vinegar vs apple cider?
Very nice! I'm guessing you're not in the dog house because it doesn't look like you made too big of a mess! Good info on watching the maple trees as far as timing goes.
Mind if I ask what the tattoo on arm is/says?
Take care, spring is coming!
No dog house here my friend. I am in good standing with the wife at least at this minute. lol As far as watching nature, I think it's best. I want to eventually get all the cattle to start calving when the deer are. It just makes since to go by nature and not by when you feel it's the right time.
The tattoo..... I have had it since 2003 right after my brother was murdered. My brother turned in a guy in his apartment building for being a child predator. A few weeks later the guy returned and knocked on his door, when my brother opened the door he was shot in the chest and died minutes later. It's something I don't talk about much but not because it bothers me. I am just the type to keep stuff like that to myself even though talking would probably do me a world of good. The book I picked the tat from said it stood for spiritual energy, no idea rather it really does or not. lol I went and bought a tattoo gun and did it and one on my leg myself. The one on my leg is a sun with my brother initials in it. I must say in 10 years of making videos, you are the first to ask about the tattoo. Thanks for that seriously, it felt good to share! :)
I'm glad you're not in the dog house! I had to laugh when you said how sticky and messy you might make the kitchen! Yes indeed, nature knows best! It's always good to take note of natural cycles and learn from them when we can!
I seen your tattoo and though I knew it wasn't Hangul, but it looked to be some kind of writing and I just had to ask.
When I first started reading your reply about the tattoo I initially regretted asking to be honest because I had no idea the meaning behind it.
That is an incredibly sad and touching story. It definitely pulled at my heart strings reading it and I am very sorry for your loss! Thank you for sharing!
For just buying a tattoo gun and doing it yourself, I think you did an fantastic job! I think you and I are a lot alike when it comes to taking DIY to it's fullest potential. lol.
Take care!
You said 10 lbs pollen sub but your recipe card shows 13 lbs. Also, there are 16 TBL in a cup, so 32 TBL in 2 cups. If you are dividing that by 10 lbs, that would be 3.2 TBL oil per lb of sub.
It looks like base on 13 lbs recipe, if you divide everything by 13 for the 1 lb recipe, the answer exactly the same as recipe card shows.
Thanks for the video. I just want to mention that I think you made a mistake in your recipe for the ONE pound. You have 2.5 TEAspoons and I think you meant TABLEspoons. If the 10 pound recipe is correct, 10x2.5 Tablespoons comes out to 1 1/2 cups. If it was teaspoons, it would be 1/2 cup plus one teaspoon.
I got 10lb in freezer I could of mailed u some to save the mess and ur marriage..... Lol. Looks good buddy 👍
pollen patty and jelly sandwich
Sounds interesting! lol
Jason, how long will the patties keep ? In a fre
Sorry, in a freezer how long will ultra bee patties keep ?
I've kept them a year with ease. Good luck!
Jason, you said 16.87 teaspoons, did you mean tablespoons?
Sure did! I should have said tablespoons. Thanks for noticing.
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How long will the pollen patty’s last and how should they be stored
Several months if stored in the freezer.
Jason Chrisman thanks Jason for all the great information. Please keep it coming
Sir I'm from India . I have never snow in my area than what is better for bees patties or dry pollen?
Patties in my opinion because they are easier to feed inside the colony.
Awesome video Jason. Where do you place the pattie? I heard the correct way is to place them between brood and honey super (on top of the queen excluder), but that means more work (remove the honey supers first). Do you think it's ok to place over the honey super ( under the beehive lid?) Thanks 🐝😊
Hey Jason... do you have hive beetles in Ohio? I have understood that pollen patties attract hive beetles?
Just started seeing hive beetles last summer. I credit that to all the dampness. I am not really worried about beetles this early in the season though. Do you have them up north?
@@JCsBees last year was my worst summer with them. My week hives were having numbers of 30 to 50 hive beetles.
Talked to a local bee keeper and he told me stop using pollen patties
I guess maybe it would be worth figuring out more about the hive beetles to see if they are a threat in the spring. I would imagine they would need a certain temperature to incubate. I know they live in soil.
@@deandufour6424 From what I have read, if hive beetles are a problem you don't necessarily need to stop using pollen patties. The problem is how long they sit on the frames. I can't remember the source but they said to cut the patties, paper and all, into thirds or quarters so that they are eaten quick enough that they don't also provide for pests.
In S.C., we have infestations of hive beetles. They thrive in shady, damp, & high humidity places. We can clean them up & control them with beetle traps & wintergreen oil.
Can I use pear cider vinegar l?
Hi, Please, I want a component in English. Cider vinegar and sugar What color is scratch?
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so apple cider vinegar for a pound is about 6 drops
Would have liked to see how/where to put the patties in the hive.
I've read under broods nest. Or he says on top of frames.
Why does the recipe card say 13#? I thought this recipe was for a 10# bucket.
Why would you want to use a pollen patty vs just pollen?
Use a rolling pin.
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Hello i am a beekeer from iran.i have some questions please help me
Hello. What are your questions?
@@JCsBees frist.i am glad that you answered my question.what should i use in the absence of pollen.what is similar to flower pollen? for example soybean,corn flour,pea flour??🤔 thanks
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we put it in plastic bags
If you don't use the vinegar it won't attract The Beatles as bad
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Jason, thank you buddy!!! 👍
And to that thumbs-down person, you are one unhappy soul!
No problem, Bruce! Glad you enjoyed it.
As far as the thumbs down, that was given within minutes of releasing the video. It's kinda funny to me because there is no way they watched the video, they just gave it a thumbs down. lol I think someone is a bit jealous there channel isn't getting any attention.
I saw that and figured it had to be a mistake made by someone , maybe the person has fat fingers
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@@Bigbarry20 they just need to come out of their thumbs down closet and speak up!!!
@Bruce Kellman I honestly think I know who the person is. I don't want to mention who but if you go back to my old videos I had another person in some of them.
I think your vegetable oil calculation is wrong, should be tablespoons, not teaspoons for the by the pound breakdown. for butter 1/2 a cup is 8 tablespoons so 1.5 cups is 24 tablespoons, a tablespoon is equal to three teaspoons.
Hmmm.... I guess it could be off. Thanks for the correction.
A 10 pound patty recipe has 32 pounds of ingredients.
I shouldn't have called it a 10 pound recipe but all the information is there if you want to try it.
About $80 for 40 patties is about $20 a patty.
? at $20 a patty for 40 patties would be $160 I think you meant $2 a patty!