Batwoman is tested in this episode as she attempts to attack an innocent woman before being pepper sprayed! Will she survive :O Video editing by @BenChinapen
“Commissioner, are you refusing to turn the Batsymbol on because Batwoman is a Lesbian?” “I...j...w...huh?! No ma’am, we aren’t letting her help because she’s under investigation for being a part of the Wonderland Gang. On several occasions, she has been spotted near where known criminal Alice has escaped and our only conclusion can be that she is letting her escape because they’re working together. We can’t think of a single other logical reason why that would be the case. Furthermore, she has been of little to no help to Gotham jeopardising our investigations and evidently acting out of personal interest to appear good over that of helping the city. We looked the other way for Batman because he helped us, we don’t for this dangerous narcissist. And as for you implication that I won’t let her help because she’s a Lesbian, why would I jeopardise my son’s life like that? Do you really think my pride would outweigh that? If I did hate her, wouldn’t sending her into danger be my first resort, not my last? Jeez, the audacity of you people! I’m a serious and committed Police Officer and unlike everyone else, that doesn’t matter to me. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go save my son.”
Plus, to the best of my knowledge the police haven't been using the batsignal at all since the shutdown ceremony in the first episode. The only time I remember it being lit was when it teleported to another rooftop so Alice could play with it. It's like people saw that the commissioner wasn't treating Batwoman any different now that everyone knows she's a lesbian compared to when nobody knew her orientation, so they assumed he was a bigot.
I mean this is what happens when people who know only of somethings existence but never cared for the source material is given full reign over it... They make an ass of themselves in their ignorance.
Yeah thats weird especially there had been many times batman worked outside gotham or did his on stuff the batsignal never catches. Its just only extra help to notify when they specifically need help.
It's very petty of her to not do batwoman stuff without the batsignal. But Batwahman needs the validation the batsignal gives her. It's not there to let her know to get out of the batcave and fight criminals, it's there for special circumstances.
34:51. Heres a comparation between Batman and Batwoman: *Batman* : "Gordon, tell everyone that it was me who killed Harvey Dent... Gotham will lose hope if they see that their White Knight turned into a psychopath. I will take the blame..." *Batwoman* : "Oh noo, people think I'm NOT GAY?! That's the worst! It's ruining my image!"
How come when Kate is faced with Beth as Alice, who is a psychopathic murderer and terrorist, she just lets Alice go. But when faced with Beth as a normal woman, Kate immediately becomes so enraged that she actually strangles her. Priorities...
I really really don’t like Ruby Rose as Kate Kane, the only thing I like about her as this character is the fact that she’s so cringe and she sounds so horrible every time she raises her voice. I understand she’s an Australian trying to come across as American, but that’s no good excuse. The guy who played Wolverine was Australian and his American accent is pretty good.
Her sister as a psycho Kate: This is fine. Beth as a normal person. Kate: NOOOOOOO. I like you better as a serial killer I'm completely incapable of catching.
"You made a pretty nice kitten sweater, Beth. Here, turn this salami into a 'Mission Impossible' mask with the power of knitting." -Evil Ned Flanders, and also a real thing that happened in this nightmare of a TV show
There occasionally come song lyrics or dialogue sequences so bizarre, I feel like they were ripped from a background conversation in my dreams just to troll me.
I love how the citizens are not angry at Batwoman for choosing not to come out and protect the city because the police force doesn't put up the Batsignal. Batman doesn't depend on the Batsignal, he patrols the streets on his own. Gordon uses the signal to either send a message to Batman or to the criminals that Batman is coming.
That "Turn lights on!" is a peak of this show agenda. Non-hero, that let criminals go based on the personal and political issues, suddenly beloved by everyone because she is a gay superhero.
Kelvin Shubert And she had a helmet on. They would've been better off cutting the scene after she got hit by the truck and not showing it was Mouse until she wakes up in the car.
She got knocked out by a Trumpet last episode while she was in the Batsuit yet 7 episodes earlier she survived an explosion. There's no consistency in this show.
It's hardly even a kick; he like sticks his foot out, pulls his knee in half through a stomp and plants the foot squarely on her/the camera that they didn't want to damage, and didn't think to use glass or some barrier to make the effect seem real.
Every episode has at least 1 moment where I imagine Alfred being just... Deeply, deeply disappointed. "They won't turn on the batsignal!" "Master Bruce often solved cases before the Police were aware they even existed. He didn't care how the people viewed him, he just did the work." And then when she jumps down from the building in front of the crowd, in the earpiece of the batsuit "When you're quite done with the theatrics, if we could get back to stopping Alice? I often worried for Master Bruce's obsession, but your track record has convinced me it was most definitely for the better..."
@Templar Knight The bat signal was basically just for notifying batman when the police specifically needs help or notice something he didnt. Otherwise yeah he does his own patrols occasionally and either catches news of bad guy stuff from radio or eyewitness. Never really depended on the bat signal. This makes her even worse that she depended on a fucking light to even get permission to fight.
@@isaiahgarraway5568 It’s really weird how they framed everything in this show. They really didn’t care to think things through or bother to make Kate more like the person she’s supposedly replacing.
Can we congratulate this brave (sexist) truck driver, for trying to save us all from watching rest of this garbage show. Press F, for this men, he almost did it
My grandfather was T-Boned by a car much like the van situation displayed here. He suffered a collapsed lung as well as many broken bones and now suffers from daily memory loss. This scene is not only entirely misleading but disgusting. People are hit on motorcycles daily, and many tougher people than the “invincible” Kate Kane are affected by injuries that impact them for their lives
Aye, One of me brother in law's mates was struck in a collision with a van on his motorcycle, and was in a coma for half a year. His hands were shattered, many ribs cracked, one leg was made entirely paralyzed and the other was skinned down to the bone from his ankle to his hip. He is absolutely lucky even to be alive, and has been in relatively high spirits. This show is just... Ugh... so much bloody wrong.
You know what the defense is/is going to be? "It's not real! It's not supposed to be _realistic!"_ To which I say, unless this is the friggin' Matrix or stars a CGI cartoon character, that crap don't fly in live action. It _obliterates_ immersion. And if she can shrug off a collision like that, why should anyone be worried about her getting injured at all? Batman (or Batwoman in this case) is not Superman, dang it! Now you've just ruined your stakes!
I crashed mine at only like 10-20mph because the front brake locked up and i broke my wrist and was bruised to shit. I could barely lift my bike back up to get it off the road yet somehow Batwoman was able to kick a bunch of guys asses not long after her insane crash.
Obligatory list of blakkedwshed gingers: Ariel (The Little Mermaid) Starfire (Teen Titans) Little Orphan Annie (Little Orphan Annie) Wally West (The Flash) Mary Jane Watson and Electro (Spiderman) Jimmy Olsen (Superman, Superman: Red Son) Heimdall (Thor) April O'Neil (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) Triss (The Witcher) Hawkgirl (Justice League) Poison Ivy (Batman) Gweneviere (King Arthur)
@@Serahpin Redheaded characters in general tend to get the shaft. Them being blackwashed is just a small subset of cases; more often than not, they'll just be made dark-haired. For example, of the five male redhead superheroes in comics (Wally West aka Kid Flash, Matt Murdock aka Daredevil, Roy Harper aka Red Arrow, Banshee, and Scott Lang aka Ant-Man), only Banshee was actually kept a redhead, and not only does he get killed off-screen after only one film, I suspect that the only reason he was kept a redhead was because he's Irish. Though, credit where credit is due, they did try to dye Charlie Cox's hair red to match how Matt Murdock looks in the comics, but none of the dyes would work, so they settled on giving him auburn tints.
@@Mythonaut Funny enough, Triss is only a redhead in the games. In the books, she has chestnut hair, which means she should look more like Trisha Elric from Fullmetal Alchemist than how she looks in the show. So, people saying, "But she isn't a redhead in the books" are correct, but it still doesn't look her at all.
The real reason the Antimonitor was screaming when he got defeated (both times) is because he knew that, in failing to extinguish the multiverse, he allowed for Batwoman to continue. #TheAntiMonitorDidNothingWrong
About the Captain America thing: the radio lady says the cop looks like Chris Evans before Kate calls him Captain America so, yeah, the MCU movies exist on CW Earth Prime.
Also we know that the DCEU is part of the CW multiverse thanks to the Flash cameo on Crisis on Infinite Earths, alongside all other DC properties, so in a multiverse filled with DC heroes in real life the MCU still is successful in depicting super heroes larger than life. Maybe Batman decided to create the Justice League after seeing how successful the Avengers movies were.
“Commissioner, does your refusal to turn on the Bat-Signal have anything to do with Batwoman coming out as a lesbian?” Commissioner Forbes: "...No, it's because she's a vigilante. Jim Gordon might have looked the other way for someone that took the law into their own hands, but I sure as hell won't."
Killing off a pet is perhaps the laziest writing trick in the book. It doesn’t take any effort to get your audience to care about a small, defenseless animal, because people tend to sympathize with them by default. Not gonna claim always, but 9 times out of 10 when this trick is employed, it’s by hack writers that need to extract *F E E L S* from their audience somehow, but don’t have the talent to actually make them care about their human characters. Very rarely does it add anything to the story.
My only question was: was it a cat, because they wanted another Alice reference, would a puppy have been too obvious or because the target demographic are more likely to be cat-people?
"How are we doing on the location of the hostages?" "I'm working on it, but they don't have enough sense to turn on the Bat Signal!" What do the two things have to do with each other? Batman didn't need the Bat Signal to know how to investigate crimes.
For that matter how does the Bat Signal factor into having leads on the hostages? Odds are Batwoman and the Police would still be doing separate investigations (since the Batcave has superior-but-secret) tech, so the Police being cooperative is more a publicity/morale thing than a practicality, at least on the Bat end. Forget why they won't turn it on for a second, that literally shouldn't be impacting your capability to find the hostages.
Green Arrow: Falls from buildings, takes gunshots to body and arms, punched to Oblivion, tortured and mentally scarred, stabbed with a 3-5 inch sword and pushed off a cliff by Ra's Al Ghul, etc. He also fights through the pain and prevail and in a few cases, might have needed a stunt double. Batwoman: A few seconds in some polar ice cap, bitch slapped by a cricket bat (with no bruises), and has cgi for somewhat fatal crashes or gunshots, or McMuffins. At this rate, I'd rather have White Canary and Vixen have their own show.
Please don't let them make a Vixen show, I don't want her to turn into a black supremacist piece of shit that's paraded for being "stunning and brave."
Warzone157 the white canary show is Legends, and its actually good because they HEAVILY lean into how goofy comics can be and do not totally focus on the fact shes gay 24/7, its just a facet of the character.
Wasn't the Bat-signal only used when Gordon needed Batman's help? Why is it used as an advertisement tool for Batwoman? Or is it really like a taxi sign and it is only turned on when she is available?
It was basically used as a warning for criminals of Batman and whenever Gordon needed to speak to Batman. Here it’s literally for no reason but an excuse for Batwoman to be oppressed and demonize the authorities just because she’s a lesbian
@Templar Knight On the note of batman getting villains he also tried to help the one's in arkam that needed it either as batman or bruce wayne. One episode of batman animated series exemplify this when batman found out one of the guards was abusing three of the inmates without the knowledge of the higher ups instead of them getting the rehabilitation they needed. What does he do? He goes as Bruce to form a committee to trial the guard and see if the accusations of abuse were true. They are still in arkam but they wont be abused due to one guy who went too hard on them. Kate wouldn't think of any of that shit.
@@45darkrai Dont know the specific episode but look up the hearing of lyle bolton. He was a security guard who believed that all people in arkam needed severe punishments but he only specifically targeted the three weakest willed ones which was harley quinn, scarecrow and scarface. Once he was found out he later turns into a vigilante to get revenge. In ironic twist he gets arrested and sent to arkam to be locked up.
Mate I am pretty sure even truck kun doesnt want to send this bitch on an isekai adventure. If she gets killed, it better be that her soul doesnt come.back.
@@arkoa0000 I dunno. I can think of how her current predicament could be an isekai in progress, and Truck-kun was trying to make amends for his role in starting it. Possible titles: 'That Time I Got Reincarnated as an Untalented Actress in a Soon-to-be-Canceled TV Show' 'The Canceling of the Bat Wahmen' 'I Can't Believe My Superhero Show is this Awful'
I can believe the string is super strong. You can get incredibly strong fishing line. Even a braided fishing line (the one shown is monofilament, which is much thicker than braided, but we'll ignore that for now) would be thicker than what is shown, but I am willing to accept that a string can be strong enough to do what she does with it. What I can't accept is her lasso with the fishing line. You cannot throw fishing line like she does in the show. To throw a string type thing like she does, it needs some weight to it. Throwing fishing line is like throwing a feather. It just stops mid air and floats down. That's why you need a fishing lure to cast a fishing pole. The line itself doesn't weigh enough to go anywhere on its own.
So it can kill people it if gets around their neck. The show just skipped the logic of the "gets around their neck" part given that scene's circumstances. Also why would they let Alice hold the book while evidently paying little enough attention to see her take the fishing line out of the spine for her to use in the escape? Isn't hiding contraband inside something like a book one of the most generic/memetic ways to smuggle things past Police, i.e. the first thing anyone keeping a prisoner would confiscate or at least check? They didn't find the fishing line to be a concern in the spine considering that's not usually what they bind a book with? Or that Alice who normally is all "I'm quirky and random psycho" was so insistent on having this book in her hands? Or are you telling me Alice carries this book with her everywhere (including to the school where she sent a Bomb threat), got into the scuffle with Kate, and then had time to take the Fishing line out of the book between Kate tying her wrist (the last time we see her on screen after she has any reason to think she'll be arresed) but before she was put in cuffs (and thus being watched by the Crows)? And this is a minor detail, but I'm not clear if the flashbacks are literally what she describes to Sophie, or shown for the audience while she tells a trimmed down/more manipulative version. I bring this up because I'm not clear if she included the part about making the skin faces (which would immediately support Mary's story and prove Jacob's innocence if the paper trail didn't already) or repairing the Alice-in-Wonderland book with fishing line (i.e. that she could have the line at hand to attempt violence if she has that same book). Neither of these are plot holes if it's the latter scenario and thus Sophie wouldn't know, but if this info DID come up then it does become questionable.
And of course Beth just walked in Wayne Enterprises looking like the city's most wanted criminal... the concept of security is completely foreign to these writers xD I kinda lost count how many people just casually strolled in what is supposed to be a highly guarded area.
When the last episode ended with an alternate Beth appearing in the new Earth, I wasn’t sure where they were going to take this surprising turn of events…but I was pretty sure it would be stupid. I was right. Welcome to STORYTELLING 101 #8: Introducing a dimensional/Crisis-event refugee. THE SETUP: For ‘fucked if I know’ reasons, AltBeth (who for simplicity I’ll just call Beth since the other is just Alice now) appeared on the new Earth. In the last episode, she just kinda…appeared, I guess, without knowing that this was a newly formed Earth made of a bunch of -CW- -shows- separate ones, and the problems start before she even appeared onscreen. However, this premise has a chance to make a halfway-decent episode with lots of good character interaction and a chance for Beth’s actress to really show her acting chops. In the hands of a hypothetical HACK or even a LAZY HACK, that might have happened. Thank goodness the BATWOMAN WRITER saved us from a potentially interesting episode. But regardless, this is basically Beth’s first time being ‘Beth’ on this show instead of Alice, so please join me in eulogizing what potential this episode had. THE HACK: This will epitomize the nature of ‘The Hack,’ because I will be doing all that I can to rip off something great in the service of something aggressively mediocre. But, as this is the HACK and not the LAZY HACK, I will put in the work to capitalize on the creativity of others. In the ‘Astro City’ comic line (which, to generalize, is fairly similar to the DC/Marvel Earths), there is a series about a normal civilian man who founded a support group for people affected by the collateral of superhero/supervillain fights after having lost his wife to one…but here’s the twist: he didn’t lose his wife to one……except he _did_ . Long story short, his wife ‘died’ during a fight between the Astro City equivalent of the Justice League and a time-traveling supervillain. Defeating him meant that there were ripples as time ‘corrected’ itself, and suddenly this man found that he had never married, yet constantly and persistently dreamed of a woman who no longer existed. He essentially remembers both timelines while living in only one of them, and he chose to create a support group named after the wife who was, for all intents and purposes, retconned out of existence. It’s a phenomenally heartbreaking _and_ heartwarming_ story…and that’s why THE HACK is going to _rip_ _it_ _the_ _hell_ _off_ , albeit with some tweaks to make it work here. We’re starting with Beth in the Wayne building looking for Kate, and there’s a bunch of problems I’ll try to go over later, but until then…let’s start things off in the night that Mary (ha! I remembered stepsister’s name!) saw her going into Gotham University. Maybe she wanders in, finds that her ‘apartment’ is a dormitory now, and there’s some kind of reality-flicker as she sees her own Earth as well as this one. From there, as she realizes that -SWAT- the Crows are storming the building, she could flee the dorm using the later-established survival skills, but ultimately end up in an alley or something, where the adrenaline fades and she falls asleep. The next morning, she wakes up, trying to shake the last night’s events off as some kind of misunderstanding, and asks one of the nearby homeless about some stuff related to the state of Gotham. She could learn here about Alice, Jacob’s incarceration, etc. Oh! And also, we should make a point that Beth styles herself differently than Alice. Maybe she keeps her hair a bit shorter, pulls it back in a ponytail, and applies makeup less. Point is, make it something other than ‘Alice, except her hair is a different color.’ I might be a Hack, but I don’t want to treat my audience as if they’re _complete_ idiots. We would keep to a lot from Beth’s perspective. Maybe throw in some reality-flickers that show us the images of ‘reality’ that she knows that only get described in the episode. Some stuff like ‘Jacob still being Commander Kane’ and ‘growing up with Kate’ and ‘Kate being actually likable.’ It’d help drive home how Beth’s native Earth is a paradise compared to this one, and that if it is truly gone than this is nothing short of hell for her. Maybe also show the glimpses of her Earth when she’s asleep/unconscious, too, to keep them drip-fed to the audience.
This way, Beth’s decision to default to the playground she and Kate remembered might have some significance. We could see her put together the details of the dystopian hell that is this Earth, trace it back to her ‘death’ on the bridge, and then…hell, wouldn’t it be more effective if she went to the playground half-expecting that Kate would find and kill her? As far as Beth knows, the local equivalent of her is a sadistic serial killer, and the local equivalent of Kate publicly has _every_ _reason_ to have run out of mercy. That would be a phenomenal place to end the episode, too. Kate would find Beth at the playground, only to see that not only does Beth half-expect this version of her sister to kill her, but on some level she _wants_ that. After an episode of piecing together what a nightmare this version of Earth is, maybe Beth thinks that the best thing to do is ‘wake up’ from it all. And maybe make Kate’s realization of Beth’s origin the source of a dilemma. As much as she would probably want Beth to represent a chance at having her sister back, wouldn’t it stand to reason that it would require another Earth to _lose_ her? If nothing else, this would be the focus of…
THE LAZY HACK: Fittingly, this is a lazier version of the scenario described above. Beth would still have her breakdown regarding the dystopian nightmare that is this Earth, except we wouldn’t bother with stuff like flashbacks/flickers to her native Earth, and ultimately we’d be focusing a lot more on Kate. But, as I said, the focus of this would be the dilemma of Beth from Kate’s perspective. After Crisis on Infinite Tisms, Kate knows _a_ _bunch_ of people with experience in cross-dimensional travel. So…why not have her contact them? Or at least have a throwaway line where she tells Luke to contact them? It would be a chance to A) show Kate actually using the resources of the new -Justice- -League- -Super- -Friends- Equity Fellows and B) give us a reason why Kate doesn’t, y’know, try and get Beth home, because in this scenario (and the HACK’s scenario) we’d be told that…I dunno, the Flash stuck his dick in the -Cosmic- -Treadmill- Techno Stairmaster, and it told him that Beth’s world was destroyed and she only arrived now because of Quantum McQuantumface. But for the love of all that’s good, either of these would be better than what we got with… THE BATWOMAN WRITER: This episode is just _filled_ with ‘Fuck you, don’t think about it’ moments. Beth arrived on this Earth when the sun was down, found that she no longer had a place to live, and then showed up at Wayne Enterprises to nonchalantly wish Kate a happy birthday? Fuck you, don’t think about it. Beth apparently just got back from “a semester abroad,” but as established has no place to live, so I guess the contents of her purse (re: a driver’s license, a 300-page paper, and a can of mace) are all she had since getting off the plane? Fuck you, don’t think about it. Beth is from an Earth where things are _objectively_ _better_ , but she’s just kinda sad offscreen and then just vaguely nostalgic for the home she may never see ever again? Fuck you, don’t think about it. Kate has Supergirl, Flash, and the Legends on her speed dial, and spends exactly ‘zero’ time trying to see if they had a means of getting Beth home, or even just establishing whether she had a home to go back to? Fuck you, don’t think about it. Really, that last point is the big thing for me on this episode. It’d be one thing if we could go back to Episodes 1 through 8 where we only got references to the fact that actual superheroes exist as a resolution to any number of our problems, but…for fuck’s sake, the last episode _did_ have Kate contact Supergirl, except she did it to put out a press release to make sure the public didn’t think Batwoman was a filthy hetero. Let me repeat that: the first and thus far _only_ time that Kate has called a fellow Justice League member was to scream ‘Lookit me Imma lesbonio!’ at the general public…but she won’t do the same to potentially get her dimensionally-displaced sister home. And as if the writers said ‘You thought the physics of the train last episode were stupid? Hold my tism, watch this!’ we get Kate getting fucking _obliterated_ on her bike, and just being…fine. Oh, right, and the police commissioner hates lesbians, apparently. That’s why he didn’t use the Batsignal that was deliberately shut down in the first episode (and then not used at all by the GCPD since then, either). He hates lesbians so much he’d rather let his son (and the mayor’s son) get murdered by a serial killer than risk letting some filthy homo rescue him. That was important enough that we needed a _specific_ _scene_ and multiple additional lines to establish. They even have the mayor’s son highlight how little sense it makes to assume that the commissioner isn’t using the Batsignal because of how much he hates gays. But the really bizarre thing about that entire subplot? I think the writers thought it was patching a perceived plothole. I think someone said ‘Hey, if Kate gets captured, too, then how do we justify to the public why Batwoman didn’t show up to save them?’ and that this non-issue needed to be addressed. So to do it…they made the police commissioner _cartoonishly_ homophobic, and everyone assumed _that_ was the reason Batwoman didn’t show up to help. And not only that, but they treat this as having been completely reasonable on Batwoman’s part! When the GCPD finally caves and turns the Batsignal on (after the hostage crisis is over), the throngs of Batwoman fans scream and cheer as the lady herself swoops down to bask in their adoration. Oh, right. And that scene I just described? It happened directly after Sophie and Kate were at Crows HQ, watching the protests. So I guess Kate ‘How did Bruce manage to keep this a secret’ Kane excused herself, ran across town to Wayne Enterprises, put on the batsuit, and then ran to the protest to make a very public and _televised_ appearance. But hey, the episode (and series) isn’t _all_ bad. After all, I got to mention and recommend ‘Astro City’ to anyone who reads this. That’s it. See y’all next time for STORYTELLING 101 #9, which will probably be about the recurring ‘You have Supergirl/Flash/the Benevolence Pals on speed dial. Why do you never ask for help?’ question, because _wow_ does it get bad.
@@electricbayonet2 did you take a look at my rewrite of Crisis on Infinite Earths? I was wondering if you had any thoughts as to how I could improve it!
@@electricbayonet2 Is it bigoted against Kate? Is it racist that a white woman has been replaced by an Asian? Quick! I need to be told what to be outraged about?
Ok. Whenever I see the motorcycle scenes I die (more than) a little inside. Effin triple cylinder sound on what is clearly a v engine and they got it wrong in the other episodes too. Has any of those people even stood near a motorcycle in their life???
worse than that. It sounds like they used took the actual sound whe she was rolling off, then transitioned to clips that sound more like they were sourced from main straight track footage. Also the crash was made more predictable since for once in her life she was wearing a helmet...
Alice has invisibility. Batwoman can defy physics and the limitations of human anatomy. Also, when doing a high risk prisoner transfer you have two guards escort the prisoner who will be in ankle shackles and wrist restrictions at her waist side, there will be a lead guard armed with a shotgun and a follow officer also armed with a shotgun. The vehicle will have a driver and a second guard riding shotgun. This will be done during the day time, never at night. The writing for this show should be used in universities to illustrate what not to do, but then considering the modern university politics this writing is probably considered high art. Also, Batwoman has several times committed the crime of accomplice after the fact. Batwoman can and should be charged with murder in the first degreee, because she knows Alice has murdered and will likely do so again she is in a state of "malice aforethought". She knows Alice will likely kill but lets her go anyways because reasons.
That scene when she gets hammered by the van... You know what is suppose to be a shocking and intense moment that is suppose to put you on the edge of your seat, instead elicits laughs from everyone who sees it.
6:46 -- _"Theoretical Extragalactic Astrophysics and Cosmology"_ My sister has degrees in Physics and Astrophysics. So I know that THAT'S NOT A THING. - If you're studying astrophysics, that's more of a conceptual subject that's not limited by location -- so you wouldn't just limit yourself to either intragalactic or extragalactic observations. If you're studying the behavior of pulsars or something, it's not like you'd find a pulsar and then go, _"nope, this one's too close, it's still inside the galactic rim, we can't look at it."_ That's retarded. If you're just interested in the (astro)physics of certain phenomena, you'd study them wherever they are. It's not like mass or gravity or light works differently outside of our galaxy than it does in it. - Since so much of our understanding of cosmology (the study of the origin of the universe) is theoretical anyway, with a lot of it being basically untestable -- why would a textbook bother to specify that it covers "theoretical" astrophysics and cosmology? We know, it's theoretical. We weren't _at_ the Big Bang. - Why would a textbook even combine "Astrophysics and Cosmology" in its title? If it was trying to explain the physics of cosmology, the book's subject would just be referred to as "Cosmology." Like how a business textbook wouldn't say it covers "Money and Economics." Money's part of economics, like astrophysics are part of cosmology.
Oh I mean these writers literally Googled "science words" and just went with it They also mentioned ion spectrometry which is meant to analyze gases. Ya can't use that for solids....so yea, this show is dumbbbbb
@@gungrave254 the more I thought about it the more dumbfounded I got. How does an EMP blast only turn off electronics for 10seconds? Last I checked EMPs destroy internal components of electronics...so idek
@@raam726 They have. Bat woman could qualify for a Plinkett review. He’s done Picard Season 1. but then again, the film Plinkett has done is stuff he actually cares about
Boy I can't wait for the next episode. When more payoffs and character development happen. I'm so glad this whole subplot isn't going to be completly dropped in episode 13 and never mentioned again.
14:55 KK's left leg would be absolutely crushed by the impact with that car. Then her right leg would be skinned to the bone from the friction with the road surface as the bike gets dragged. The shock of impact would do serious damage to her neck and spine and she would almost certainly strike her head (through the helmet) to the road. If she lived, she would probably lose her left leg and possibly have major reconstructive surgery of the right, if they could save it. KK would likely become a double amputee. I've been riding motobikes for years and there's no way you'd survive a crash like that without serious injuries. Some of my friends and family have had serious accidents and to see these show runniers portraying this as they do is justing f'ing insulting. This scene is such BS.
To be "fair" (question mark) about the right leg, the shot seems to be going for the idea that Kate got flung off her bike immediately rather than dragged. So she just goes into a tumble with the barely-intact left leg (or it was torn off by the force flinging her) on top of rolling several miles an hour on every other bone in her body. I genuinely don't know which result is more likely and more insulting, whether for an actual crash of that magnitude or just for what the show is suggesting.
@@papershadow If she does get flung off, she'd be doing it without her left leg. The point of impact was on the left side of the bike so that leg's a gonner. Yeah, either way, it's bad. I've seen some bad injuries in my day just from low-velocity collisions.
Batman.. is a hero.. who works for the greater good.. not for recognition.. or fame.. in the dark night he becomes hated by the city so criminals can stay behind bars... he doesn't care about opinions or perceptions.. just justice...and protecting the city. Batwoman on the other hand is a classic villain archetype.. she's out for her own glory and fame.. she wants recognition for all that she does... she doesn't care about the greater good.. but only good in relation to herself..... she isn't particularly intelligent or self determined... she doesn't have a strong code or set of morals... she's the ideal person to be pushed... by circumstances to become the villain.
@@gungrave254 You have not seen the level of stupids my friend. In the next episode JLongBone was like "Oh, I bet they'll do X--wait no that's too stupid, even for this show" .........yeah they do X
@@MistbornTaylor I want to say that's retarded, but this show... Also, the original Issue #1 of Batwoman written by Greg Rucka had werewolves in it for some reason, so even by source material standards, it's in line with what you said.
Hey look! - Ned Flanders is back doing his Tobin Bell impression (I thought he was long forgotten). I shall call him Jigsaw Flanders. "Hi there neigh-diddly-hbor, would you like to play a game-a-rino?"
So she's dying because there can't be two of here, but if you think about it wouldn't they be pretty much completely different on a molecular level? Like, how the body's cells are completely different after seven years, and their lives have been drastically different for a bit longer than that.
Funny enough one DC movie highlighted this when the justice league visited an alternate earth superman could see that humans organs were reversed compared to theirs
@@isaiahgarraway5568 Funny enough; I believe that the first Injustice game also had that. The Evil Injustice-Universe Superman has the main DC Universe Batman captured, and he realizes that it's not the Batman he knows because, while his DNA is a match, his vitals are all wrong.
@@matthewmuir8884 Yeah there is that. The animated movie was basically their version of injustice lords but the villains in the alternate reality were the good guys and slade was the president.
There's also the whole Supergirl and Power girl thing. Those two exist in the same universe for god knows how long and they still function. But then again, when they wrote this episode they clearly had no idea how the multiverse worked. You can tell by the "put all the universes in a blender" line, which is absolutely not what happened. What happened was everything was destroyed and you built it all up from scratch by thinking *real* hard and using the power of friendship.
Talk about a one trick pony. Berlanti made his name in the mid 90's. When he introduced a gay character into "Dawson's creek." Now every show he produces has to have a gay character. Preferably one oppressed by the patriarchy.
The girl from Killing Eve would make a good Alice: less “lol, so quirky” and more so genuinely psychopathic, emotionally confused and living in her own little world due to her abnormal and poor social skills.
hi, just wanted to let you know that because of your comment I googled Killing Eve, I bindgewatched the shit out of it and it was fantastic ! thank you for giving me that opportunity :)
If anyone remembers Spider-man cartoon from 90s? The episode with Multiverse and different Parkers unite to save the day? And because of backgrounds, events that happaned in their lives, choices - they were completely different people? Those were the days.
I'm so glad they have that series on Disney plus. I just started watching it with my 5 year old son and it's still as good as I remember from when I was a kid.
I'm confused. Why didn't Batwoman just go to rescue the hostages anyway? The city isn't asking for help, but that doesn't mean Batwoman isn't aware of the situation, since it's televised. Why didn't Kate just suit up and save the day anyway?
As someone that rides motorcycles, and has taken a couple spills, I have to say that hit was something. At best, shattered leg, broken ribs, concussion or brain damage, at worst dead. And that landing, another concussion, possibly fractured or broken back, and bruised or broken tailbone. Who filmed this, do they know how physics and the human body works?
braided fishing line, the kind that can pull a tree up from the bottom of a lake, didn't exist during the time frame when she was kidnapped. 15-20 year old fishing line doesn't have that kind of strength due to age as well. it might pull, leave a mark, and hurt, but it would snap under the weight of a full grown adult male. and since that line is from the basement of her kidnapper, it's probably even older/weaker than that because who knows how long it's been sitting down there.
I am not someone who considers himself homophobic for as long as my goodwill lasts. I must say I am beginning to find it a personal insult to my intelligence that this show, and others potentially, are attempting to frame homophobes as so irrational they would let their children die before allowing a gay person to help them. Homophobes exist, racists exist, people you dislike exist. By painting these people as cartoonishly retarded they are not presenting these worldviews in good faith. Very soon people are going to wonder why these people are being presented so unfairly. And because the left have not presented the argument fairly people might start to think the racists and homophobes might have a point. The left wing are making me sympathize with people who I do not agree with and I'm getting pissed off about it.
My buddy had this theory that all this nonsense they push is designed so normal people get to the point. That they end up actually hating these people just so they can legitimately claim. Look see we were right, they really are bigots or whatever ist they want to call people.
Though if you could not call them "homophobes", as that's actually a real medical condition that was repurposed to be a slur by the left. Seriously, there are medical dictionaries that define it as an irrational fear of homosexuals, thus the 'phobia'. I think repurposing real medical conditions as insults is just retarded. Yes, that was the joke.
I wouldn’t conflate racists as someone you ‘dislike’. I don’t dislike racists but they hate me (I’m black). This is a fictional show with bad writing. It’s up to you to decide if this is propaganda or not. If media is ‘redpilling’ you or causing you to sympathise with racists then I honestly don’t know what to do for you. If you think gays are like this show then you need to stop watching it and idk figure out how gay people act irl. If my only exposure to black people were Twitter than I’d fucking hate black people (Again I’m black but not American so maybe that plays a factor). You can hate the show and hate how overly gay it is but don’t conflate this with the lgbt community. Not all of us are valid overzealous Americans who vocalise all their minute problems on Twitter. If this is representation then I don’t fucking want it.
Slam Bradly is an established character in the DC universe. He's a golden-age detective character, he's literally been around longer than Batman. He's the father of Selina Kyle's child, he's not just a throwaway joke character. He was a featured hero in Detective Comics Number ONE!
So the awkward silence made Mouse suspect alt Beth and then he used their code which they conveniently set up using the scene where Sophie talks in code. Once Beth didn't know that it's not really unreasonable for Mouse to be convinced that she's not Alice. The rest of this is still hot garbage tho.
They're probably trying to do like Joker where occasionally he's shown to be a competent fighter. But joker uses tricks along with his fights to throw batman off guard. Other times we can see on a full on face to face fight without tricks joker loses 90% of the time even when he pushes through because of his insanity. With Alice there is no logic to how she is or even her uses tricks to get around EX FUCKING NAVY SEALS.
Between the reaction to the car crash scene in "Wish Upon" to the crash in this episode, their reaction to Kate getting T-boned is probably my favourite.
Reporter: Are you refusing to turn on the batsymbol because batwoman is a lesbian? Wait.... Wasn't the Batsymbol on top of Wayne Enterprises? Go to magpie episode (ep 4). Luke actually turns on the batsymbol. Could only mean luke is the homophobe!!! Play batwoman sound track*
The fact that after letting two people die directly from her own actions she isn't guilt ridden but instead embarrassed is disgusting. You know why right? Its because that means she only cares about herself there, not those other people its being embarrassed my actions were bad and made me look bad instead of disgusted I got two people killed.
Looking back, it's weird that the people of Gotham like Batwoman at the end of this episode. From their perspective, the GCPD didn't ask for her help with the hostages and she refused to get involved. Why would they like a hero who is so petty that she'd let innocents get hurt or die because some asshats won't ask for her help?
This show would turn into an instant masterpiece if the next time Alice got captured Sophie just strolled into the cell and double tapped her twice in the head.
"Are you another face shifting person like me?" I know that's meant to be an absurdity, but this is Gotham City, there are four villains that can do that LOCALLY. Three Clayfaces and Hush.
I’ve said this on other reviews but can we talk about Mary’s “what if the multiverse is a thing...lol nah jk” moment? Nobody told her anything about what was going on and they just kept saying Beth being back was a miracle, so wtf did she think Beth was a goddamn birthday wish Kate willed into existence? Why is Mary just going along with this without being told anything?
Why does this not call into question who the hell Alice is then if Mary dismisses multiverse as a joke/crazy? I forget if they did anything as definitive as a DNA test, but then doesn't this raise the possibility that Alice was lying with circumstantial stories/evidence? Hell, in the first few episodes, EFAP speculated a twist where she was just a crazy person who thought she was Beth. THIS of all things would support that premise in-universe for anyone who doesn't know the multiverse exists AND that the Crisis stuff happened.
@@papershadow You're correct that if that were to happen the premise would be supported and honestly it'd make more sense, however just like you said that theory is only EFAP's speculation. Theres no evidence to support that actually being a thing in the show. Even if it was you'd have to accept the fact that Mary never asked alternate universe Beth where she went when she disappeared as a child, why'd she come back now, why Alice and alt Beth are dying because only one can exhist in the universe, etc. Mary trusts and helps alt Beth(who she should believe is her mother's killer) to kill Alice knowing absolutely nothing about anything.
44:08 My question about this part is...WHY the hell did he turn around? Until he did that the thread/fishing line was on the BACK of his neck she could have pulled as hard as she wanted and he could have just taken his time and pulled his pistol out and shot her while she was doing that and just thought "What the hell are you doing?" cuz it wouldn't have done ANY thing to him.
With the amount of Retconning Batwoman does, I wouldn't be surprised Batman died to Alice while she was building up her gang, like he was investigating something then Alice shows up and overpowers him and kills him, wouldn't be surprised if that happens.
Having Kate save Beth is so bad. Instead of Kate having to learn the lesson of "you can't go back" and have her reflect on her decisions, accept them, forgive herself, and move on, they recreate her childhood trauma beat for beat EXCEPT the moment where she couldn't save Beth. Just to stomp out any insecurities she might have had left in her mind, any doubts, any fears, any concerns that she may not be perfect. She saved Beth so now she doesn't have to let those old memories bother her. Beth should be an inconsolable mess for almost dying in a car for the second time.
Batwoman: I need the validation of the public before I decide to save people. Me: Is that why you've been letting criminals go, because you need to be told what to do?
Batwoman being a validation addict would explain letting criminals go. Jut BS a story about them getting away and every time they act, the city will praise you for saving them again. Considering how thing the rogue's gallery is, this would actually be necessary for such a tinfoil hat theory because locking up Alice could genuinely leave the city with less than a dozen criminals that require a Bat to deal with, and thus the cause for her praise would dry up faster than the agape mouths of the audience
I figured it out Batwoman is a Metahuman. She was in Star City when the particulars accelerator explode and she got the power of cellar regeneration or rapid healing
“Commissioner, are you refusing to turn the Batsymbol on because Batwoman is a Lesbian?”
“I...j...w...huh?! No ma’am, we aren’t letting her help because she’s under investigation for being a part of the Wonderland Gang. On several occasions, she has been spotted near where known criminal Alice has escaped and our only conclusion can be that she is letting her escape because they’re working together. We can’t think of a single other logical reason why that would be the case. Furthermore, she has been of little to no help to Gotham jeopardising our investigations and evidently acting out of personal interest to appear good over that of helping the city. We looked the other way for Batman because he helped us, we don’t for this dangerous narcissist. And as for you implication that I won’t let her help because she’s a Lesbian, why would I jeopardise my son’s life like that? Do you really think my pride would outweigh that? If I did hate her, wouldn’t sending her into danger be my first resort, not my last? Jeez, the audacity of you people! I’m a serious and committed Police Officer and unlike everyone else, that doesn’t matter to me. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go save my son.”
Plus, to the best of my knowledge the police haven't been using the batsignal at all since the shutdown ceremony in the first episode. The only time I remember it being lit was when it teleported to another rooftop so Alice could play with it. It's like people saw that the commissioner wasn't treating Batwoman any different now that everyone knows she's a lesbian compared to when nobody knew her orientation, so they assumed he was a bigot.
Interviewer: "....wow what a bigot."
That's exactly what a straight white male would say smh
I saw this before you edited it and was hoping to see a sing-along in this episode
@@electricbayonet2 i think i saw it in the previus episode. When Batwoman was riding her bat bike, I think it was right at the begining.
Batman could operate without the Batsignal.
But Batwoman apparently can't. She quite literally needs a man to tell her what to do!
BIG OOF
I mean this is what happens when people who know only of somethings existence but never cared for the source material is given full reign over it... They make an ass of themselves in their ignorance.
Yeah thats weird especially there had been many times batman worked outside gotham or did his on stuff the batsignal never catches. Its just only extra help to notify when they specifically need help.
It's very petty of her to not do batwoman stuff without the batsignal. But Batwahman needs the validation the batsignal gives her. It's not there to let her know to get out of the batcave and fight criminals, it's there for special circumstances.
lmao i must be a homophobic chauvinist pig because i think this series has made me appreciate batman all the more
34:51. Heres a comparation between Batman and Batwoman:
*Batman* : "Gordon, tell everyone that it was me who killed Harvey Dent... Gotham will lose hope if they see that their White Knight turned into a psychopath. I will take the blame..."
*Batwoman* : "Oh noo, people think I'm NOT GAY?! That's the worst! It's ruining my image!"
That perfectly sums it up
*Batman* : "I am vengeance... I am the night... I AM BATMAN."
*Batwoman* : "I'm gay."
NataliaNeeSama she really is the most vain, selfish superhero ever
@@rollrcoastrbacon2725 Yeah, even Darkwing Duck was more humble than her! XD
"I will go back to Gotham and I will fight men like this, but I will not become an executioner."
🎵got replaced by an Asian
I call that a "replasian"🎵
Still better written than the shows soundtrack
How come when Kate is faced with Beth as Alice, who is a psychopathic murderer and terrorist, she just lets Alice go. But when faced with Beth as a normal woman, Kate immediately becomes so enraged that she actually strangles her.
Priorities...
Her lack of neurodivergency triggers her
I really really don’t like Ruby Rose as Kate Kane, the only thing I like about her as this character is the fact that she’s so cringe and she sounds so horrible every time she raises her voice. I understand she’s an Australian trying to come across as American, but that’s no good excuse. The guy who played Wolverine was Australian and his American accent is pretty good.
Her sister as a psycho
Kate: This is fine.
Beth as a normal person.
Kate: NOOOOOOO. I like you better as a serial killer I'm completely incapable of catching.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko Except Wolverine is Canadian :P
"You made a pretty nice kitten sweater, Beth. Here, turn this salami into a 'Mission Impossible' mask with the power of knitting."
-Evil Ned Flanders, and also a real thing that happened in this nightmare of a TV show
Obviously, she put points into crafting which applies to both sweaters and skin working.
Thememes are strong with this un'!
There occasionally come song lyrics or dialogue sequences so bizarre, I feel like they were ripped from a background conversation in my dreams just to troll me.
+electricbayonet2 check discord
Batwoman Writers: 'There is a version of Batwoman in the multiverse that might be well written, I feel responsible... To destroy it.'
I think alternate-reality Beth might be my favorite just for mace-ing Batwoman in the eye.
Yeah, that should totally happen A LOT more in this series. ^^
And she's pretty cute in general. Beth (and Alice) are just about the only characters carrying this show. Everyone else sucks.
@@dragonknightleader1 as true as that is it really isn't saying much that Alice is the best thing about the show. Really low bar
@@CasshernSinz1613 Absolutely.
BRIAN is my favorite.
I love how the citizens are not angry at Batwoman for choosing not to come out and protect the city because the police force doesn't put up the Batsignal. Batman doesn't depend on the Batsignal, he patrols the streets on his own. Gordon uses the signal to either send a message to Batman or to the criminals that Batman is coming.
That "Turn lights on!" is a peak of this show agenda. Non-hero, that let criminals go based on the personal and political issues, suddenly beloved by everyone because she is a gay superhero.
I mean it is 2020...
@@WrathofFenrir99 Pinochet and Porfirio Diaz did nothing wrong.
Batwoman is such a Moronic Molly.
Batwoman is almost as nonsensical and blatant in her Mary Sue-ness as the main character in the book Empress Theresa. That's...that's *bad.*
@@TaoScribble Oh, you are a Fan of Krimson too!
So the truck did nothing... BUT THE FOOT KNOCKED HER UNCONSCIOUS! *WHAT?!*
It wasn't even a hard stomp, he just stepped on her face
Kelvin Shubert And she had a helmet on. They would've been better off cutting the scene after she got hit by the truck and not showing it was Mouse until she wakes up in the car.
She got knocked out by a Trumpet last episode while she was in the Batsuit yet 7 episodes earlier she survived an explosion. There's no consistency in this show.
It's hardly even a kick; he like sticks his foot out, pulls his knee in half through a stomp and plants the foot squarely on her/the camera that they didn't want to damage, and didn't think to use glass or some barrier to make the effect seem real.
@@DisplayThisOkay the show is consistent at being inconsistent.
Every episode has at least 1 moment where I imagine Alfred being just... Deeply, deeply disappointed.
"They won't turn on the batsignal!" "Master Bruce often solved cases before the Police were aware they even existed. He didn't care how the people viewed him, he just did the work."
And then when she jumps down from the building in front of the crowd, in the earpiece of the batsuit "When you're quite done with the theatrics, if we could get back to stopping Alice? I often worried for Master Bruce's obsession, but your track record has convinced me it was most definitely for the better..."
@Templar Knight The bat signal was basically just for notifying batman when the police specifically needs help or notice something he didnt. Otherwise yeah he does his own patrols occasionally and either catches news of bad guy stuff from radio or eyewitness. Never really depended on the bat signal. This makes her even worse that she depended on a fucking light to even get permission to fight.
@@isaiahgarraway5568 It’s really weird how they framed everything in this show. They really didn’t care to think things through or bother to make Kate more like the person she’s supposedly replacing.
"But Master Bruce, she's a c*nt"
Can we congratulate this brave (sexist) truck driver, for trying to save us all from watching rest of this garbage show. Press F, for this men, he almost did it
@Templar Knight nah man nah. it was the boot. clearly the boot hit her harder than a 2 ton truck.
My grandfather was T-Boned by a car much like the van situation displayed here. He suffered a collapsed lung as well as many broken bones and now suffers from daily memory loss. This scene is not only entirely misleading but disgusting. People are hit on motorcycles daily, and many tougher people than the “invincible” Kate Kane are affected by injuries that impact them for their lives
Aye, One of me brother in law's mates was struck in a collision with a van on his motorcycle, and was in a coma for half a year. His hands were shattered, many ribs cracked, one leg was made entirely paralyzed and the other was skinned down to the bone from his ankle to his hip. He is absolutely lucky even to be alive, and has been in relatively high spirits.
This show is just... Ugh... so much bloody wrong.
"suffers from daily memory loss"
Like 50 first dates?
You know what the defense is/is going to be? "It's not real! It's not supposed to be _realistic!"_ To which I say, unless this is the friggin' Matrix or stars a CGI cartoon character, that crap don't fly in live action. It _obliterates_ immersion. And if she can shrug off a collision like that, why should anyone be worried about her getting injured at all? Batman (or Batwoman in this case) is not Superman, dang it! Now you've just ruined your stakes!
I crashed mine at only like 10-20mph because the front brake locked up and i broke my wrist and was bruised to shit. I could barely lift my bike back up to get it off the road yet somehow Batwoman was able to kick a bunch of guys asses not long after her insane crash.
Not only that, but her disrespect for other drivers is an example of why people hate motorcycle drivers.
"You've already been replaced... by an asian. It would have been a black person but you're not a ginger. That's how the Television industry works!"
#notmytriss
Hey man... that's OUR word
Obligatory list of blakkedwshed gingers:
Ariel (The Little Mermaid)
Starfire (Teen Titans)
Little Orphan Annie (Little Orphan Annie)
Wally West (The Flash)
Mary Jane Watson and Electro (Spiderman)
Jimmy Olsen (Superman, Superman: Red Son)
Heimdall (Thor)
April O'Neil (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
Triss (The Witcher)
Hawkgirl (Justice League)
Poison Ivy (Batman)
Gweneviere (King Arthur)
@@Serahpin Redheaded characters in general tend to get the shaft. Them being blackwashed is just a small subset of cases; more often than not, they'll just be made dark-haired. For example, of the five male redhead superheroes in comics (Wally West aka Kid Flash, Matt Murdock aka Daredevil, Roy Harper aka Red Arrow, Banshee, and Scott Lang aka Ant-Man), only Banshee was actually kept a redhead, and not only does he get killed off-screen after only one film, I suspect that the only reason he was kept a redhead was because he's Irish.
Though, credit where credit is due, they did try to dye Charlie Cox's hair red to match how Matt Murdock looks in the comics, but none of the dyes would work, so they settled on giving him auburn tints.
@@Mythonaut Funny enough, Triss is only a redhead in the games. In the books, she has chestnut hair, which means she should look more like Trisha Elric from Fullmetal Alchemist than how she looks in the show. So, people saying, "But she isn't a redhead in the books" are correct, but it still doesn't look her at all.
The real reason the Antimonitor was screaming when he got defeated (both times) is because he knew that, in failing to extinguish the multiverse, he allowed for Batwoman to continue.
#TheAntiMonitorDidNothingWrong
The Crisis was not the destruction of Infinite Earths, it was the existence of Infinite Earths where Batwoman is taking place.
About the Captain America thing: the radio lady says the cop looks like Chris Evans before Kate calls him Captain America so, yeah, the MCU movies exist on CW Earth Prime.
Marvel will not be happy.
I couldn't imagine living on this Earth, watching an MCU movie and then having Batwoman as my superhero.
Also we know that the DCEU is part of the CW multiverse thanks to the Flash cameo on Crisis on Infinite Earths, alongside all other DC properties, so in a multiverse filled with DC heroes in real life the MCU still is successful in depicting super heroes larger than life. Maybe Batman decided to create the Justice League after seeing how successful the Avengers movies were.
If Marvel complains they will call them women haters and be terrible PR.
In one episode of Flash a character directly mentions Spider-man 2. So the remi movies exist for sure
Once again, ex-navy seal/green beret being overpowered by a woman with fishing line.
Alice works on anime logic, as she is a shitty Yuuki Terumi ripoff.
@@grandarkfang_1482 Don't do Terumi like that. Even he doesn't deserve being compared to any of the vapid characters in this show.
@@lorddolamite6141 Alice is the aborted love-child of Alice in Wonderland and Yuuki Terumi.
20 year old fishing line at that. That line should have snapped apart like dry grass.
@Templar Knight Even the Joker wouldn't have broken free that easily!
“Commissioner, does your refusal to turn on the Bat-Signal have anything to do with Batwoman coming out as a lesbian?”
Commissioner Forbes: "...No, it's because she's a vigilante. Jim Gordon might have looked the other way for someone that took the law into their own hands, but I sure as hell won't."
A vigilante who let two dangerous criminals get away for personal and stupid reasons. Can't forget that one.
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 It's almost impossible to forget.
That's too much character for a cardboard cutout to have. You'll outshine Batwhaman
@@butthz8850 Nothing can outshine Batwhaman, not even the Bat Signal.
Can't forget you said nothing about her beating up several men immediately after being involved in a horrific motorcycle accident.
Meh. They already called it, just add knocked out by kick and escape.
Killing off a pet is perhaps the laziest writing trick in the book. It doesn’t take any effort to get your audience to care about a small, defenseless animal, because people tend to sympathize with them by default. Not gonna claim always, but 9 times out of 10 when this trick is employed, it’s by hack writers that need to extract *F E E L S* from their audience somehow, but don’t have the talent to actually make them care about their human characters. Very rarely does it add anything to the story.
It's why killing the dog is a common joke/stab at writers trying to elicit feels in a piece of media.
My only question was: was it a cat, because they wanted another Alice reference, would a puppy have been too obvious or because the target demographic are more likely to be cat-people?
Unpopular Opinions In-universe, why’d he even kill it? Wouldn’t you want your kidnap victim be somewhat happy?
@@smugalice6206 You'd think that but this is Batwahman, where logic and reasoning goes to die slowly and painfully
YJ01 ...People like cats. Not sure what you’re getting at
"How are we doing on the location of the hostages?"
"I'm working on it, but they don't have enough sense to turn on the Bat Signal!"
What do the two things have to do with each other? Batman didn't need the Bat Signal to know how to investigate crimes.
*bat signal gets turned on*
"Oh, look, now we know batwoman is coming for us."
It's just bad writing.
For that matter how does the Bat Signal factor into having leads on the hostages? Odds are Batwoman and the Police would still be doing separate investigations (since the Batcave has superior-but-secret) tech, so the Police being cooperative is more a publicity/morale thing than a practicality, at least on the Bat end.
Forget why they won't turn it on for a second, that literally shouldn't be impacting your capability to find the hostages.
I can't close my laptop anymore, without turning to my girlfriend and ask:
"What'dya bring me!?"
Jonas Bjerregaard huzzah! A woman of quality! A couple that memes together stays together.
Today the girlfriends... Tomorrow, the world!
She brought you the puss-- I mean, her love, comfort, and wonderful smile, of course
Based
my girlfriend only made it halfway through the first Batwoman efap :(
Green Arrow: Falls from buildings, takes gunshots to body and arms, punched to Oblivion, tortured and mentally scarred, stabbed with a 3-5 inch sword and pushed off a cliff by Ra's Al Ghul, etc. He also fights through the pain and prevail and in a few cases, might have needed a stunt double.
Batwoman: A few seconds in some polar ice cap, bitch slapped by a cricket bat (with no bruises), and has cgi for somewhat fatal crashes or gunshots, or McMuffins.
At this rate, I'd rather have White Canary and Vixen have their own show.
Please don't let them make a Vixen show, I don't want her to turn into a black supremacist piece of shit that's paraded for being "stunning and brave."
Warzone157 the white canary show is Legends, and its actually good because they HEAVILY lean into how goofy comics can be and do not totally focus on the fact shes gay 24/7, its just a facet of the character.
@@bZman okay, I don't believe you.
@@grandarkfang_1482 True that man, and if I know the CW like I think I do, they'll do that and ramp it up to one hundred SMH.
@@bZman It really is, binge watched the last 2 seasons last week. 😊👌
Wasn't the Bat-signal only used when Gordon needed Batman's help? Why is it used as an advertisement tool for Batwoman? Or is it really like a taxi sign and it is only turned on when she is available?
It was basically used as a warning for criminals of Batman and whenever Gordon needed to speak to Batman.
Here it’s literally for no reason but an excuse for Batwoman to be oppressed and demonize the authorities just because she’s a lesbian
No. Gordon used it often, both for help and to remind everyone that Batman is watching
@Templar Knight On the note of batman getting villains he also tried to help the one's in arkam that needed it either as batman or bruce wayne. One episode of batman animated series exemplify this when batman found out one of the guards was abusing three of the inmates without the knowledge of the higher ups instead of them getting the rehabilitation they needed. What does he do? He goes as Bruce to form a committee to trial the guard and see if the accusations of abuse were true. They are still in arkam but they wont be abused due to one guy who went too hard on them. Kate wouldn't think of any of that shit.
Isaiah Garraway What episode of the animated series was that one again?
@@45darkrai Dont know the specific episode but look up the hearing of lyle bolton. He was a security guard who believed that all people in arkam needed severe punishments but he only specifically targeted the three weakest willed ones which was harley quinn, scarecrow and scarface. Once he was found out he later turns into a vigilante to get revenge. In ironic twist he gets arrested and sent to arkam to be locked up.
Truck-Kun: Damn, she's still alive
Mate I am pretty sure even truck kun doesnt want to send this bitch on an isekai adventure. If she gets killed, it better be that her soul doesnt come.back.
@@arkoa0000 I dunno. I can think of how her current predicament could be an isekai in progress, and Truck-kun was trying to make amends for his role in starting it.
Possible titles:
'That Time I Got Reincarnated as an Untalented Actress in a Soon-to-be-Canceled TV Show'
'The Canceling of the Bat Wahmen'
'I Can't Believe My Superhero Show is this Awful'
failed isekai, though.
@@electricbayonet2 I especially like the last one. 😂🤣
Kate is soulless, so even Truck-Kun can't send her to a different world.
I can believe the string is super strong. You can get incredibly strong fishing line. Even a braided fishing line (the one shown is monofilament, which is much thicker than braided, but we'll ignore that for now) would be thicker than what is shown, but I am willing to accept that a string can be strong enough to do what she does with it. What I can't accept is her lasso with the fishing line. You cannot throw fishing line like she does in the show.
To throw a string type thing like she does, it needs some weight to it. Throwing fishing line is like throwing a feather. It just stops mid air and floats down. That's why you need a fishing lure to cast a fishing pole. The line itself doesn't weigh enough to go anywhere on its own.
Maybe, but can it kill people?
@@smugalice6206 yea. With how small it is you can definitely kill someone
So it can kill people it if gets around their neck. The show just skipped the logic of the "gets around their neck" part given that scene's circumstances.
Also why would they let Alice hold the book while evidently paying little enough attention to see her take the fishing line out of the spine for her to use in the escape? Isn't hiding contraband inside something like a book one of the most generic/memetic ways to smuggle things past Police, i.e. the first thing anyone keeping a prisoner would confiscate or at least check? They didn't find the fishing line to be a concern in the spine considering that's not usually what they bind a book with? Or that Alice who normally is all "I'm quirky and random psycho" was so insistent on having this book in her hands?
Or are you telling me Alice carries this book with her everywhere (including to the school where she sent a Bomb threat), got into the scuffle with Kate, and then had time to take the Fishing line out of the book between Kate tying her wrist (the last time we see her on screen after she has any reason to think she'll be arresed) but before she was put in cuffs (and thus being watched by the Crows)?
And this is a minor detail, but I'm not clear if the flashbacks are literally what she describes to Sophie, or shown for the audience while she tells a trimmed down/more manipulative version. I bring this up because I'm not clear if she included the part about making the skin faces (which would immediately support Mary's story and prove Jacob's innocence if the paper trail didn't already) or repairing the Alice-in-Wonderland book with fishing line (i.e. that she could have the line at hand to attempt violence if she has that same book). Neither of these are plot holes if it's the latter scenario and thus Sophie wouldn't know, but if this info DID come up then it does become questionable.
And of course Beth just walked in Wayne Enterprises looking like the city's most wanted criminal... the concept of security is completely foreign to these writers xD
I kinda lost count how many people just casually strolled in what is supposed to be a highly guarded area.
i hadn't even thought about that. this show is killing my braincells.
@@gungrave254 Don't worry, they didn't either.
Don't worry, next episode everyone will remember.
Since consistency be damned.
When the last episode ended with an alternate Beth appearing in the new Earth, I wasn’t sure where they were going to take this surprising turn of events…but I was pretty sure it would be stupid. I was right. Welcome to STORYTELLING 101 #8: Introducing a dimensional/Crisis-event refugee.
THE SETUP: For ‘fucked if I know’ reasons, AltBeth (who for simplicity I’ll just call Beth since the other is just Alice now) appeared on the new Earth. In the last episode, she just kinda…appeared, I guess, without knowing that this was a newly formed Earth made of a bunch of -CW- -shows- separate ones, and the problems start before she even appeared onscreen. However, this premise has a chance to make a halfway-decent episode with lots of good character interaction and a chance for Beth’s actress to really show her acting chops. In the hands of a hypothetical HACK or even a LAZY HACK, that might have happened. Thank goodness the BATWOMAN WRITER saved us from a potentially interesting episode.
But regardless, this is basically Beth’s first time being ‘Beth’ on this show instead of Alice, so please join me in eulogizing what potential this episode had.
THE HACK: This will epitomize the nature of ‘The Hack,’ because I will be doing all that I can to rip off something great in the service of something aggressively mediocre. But, as this is the HACK and not the LAZY HACK, I will put in the work to capitalize on the creativity of others.
In the ‘Astro City’ comic line (which, to generalize, is fairly similar to the DC/Marvel Earths), there is a series about a normal civilian man who founded a support group for people affected by the collateral of superhero/supervillain fights after having lost his wife to one…but here’s the twist: he didn’t lose his wife to one……except he _did_ .
Long story short, his wife ‘died’ during a fight between the Astro City equivalent of the Justice League and a time-traveling supervillain. Defeating him meant that there were ripples as time ‘corrected’ itself, and suddenly this man found that he had never married, yet constantly and persistently dreamed of a woman who no longer existed. He essentially remembers both timelines while living in only one of them, and he chose to create a support group named after the wife who was, for all intents and purposes, retconned out of existence.
It’s a phenomenally heartbreaking _and_ heartwarming_ story…and that’s why THE HACK is going to _rip_ _it_ _the_ _hell_ _off_ , albeit with some tweaks to make it work here.
We’re starting with Beth in the Wayne building looking for Kate, and there’s a bunch of problems I’ll try to go over later, but until then…let’s start things off in the night that Mary (ha! I remembered stepsister’s name!) saw her going into Gotham University. Maybe she wanders in, finds that her ‘apartment’ is a dormitory now, and there’s some kind of reality-flicker as she sees her own Earth as well as this one.
From there, as she realizes that -SWAT- the Crows are storming the building, she could flee the dorm using the later-established survival skills, but ultimately end up in an alley or something, where the adrenaline fades and she falls asleep.
The next morning, she wakes up, trying to shake the last night’s events off as some kind of misunderstanding, and asks one of the nearby homeless about some stuff related to the state of Gotham. She could learn here about Alice, Jacob’s incarceration, etc.
Oh! And also, we should make a point that Beth styles herself differently than Alice. Maybe she keeps her hair a bit shorter, pulls it back in a ponytail, and applies makeup less. Point is, make it something other than ‘Alice, except her hair is a different color.’ I might be a Hack, but I don’t want to treat my audience as if they’re _complete_ idiots.
We would keep to a lot from Beth’s perspective. Maybe throw in some reality-flickers that show us the images of ‘reality’ that she knows that only get described in the episode. Some stuff like ‘Jacob still being Commander Kane’ and ‘growing up with Kate’ and ‘Kate being actually likable.’ It’d help drive home how Beth’s native Earth is a paradise compared to this one, and that if it is truly gone than this is nothing short of hell for her. Maybe also show the glimpses of her Earth when she’s asleep/unconscious, too, to keep them drip-fed to the audience.
This way, Beth’s decision to default to the playground she and Kate remembered might have some significance. We could see her put together the details of the dystopian hell that is this Earth, trace it back to her ‘death’ on the bridge, and then…hell, wouldn’t it be more effective if she went to the playground half-expecting that Kate would find and kill her? As far as Beth knows, the local equivalent of her is a sadistic serial killer, and the local equivalent of Kate publicly has _every_ _reason_ to have run out of mercy.
That would be a phenomenal place to end the episode, too. Kate would find Beth at the playground, only to see that not only does Beth half-expect this version of her sister to kill her, but on some level she _wants_ that. After an episode of piecing together what a nightmare this version of Earth is, maybe Beth thinks that the best thing to do is ‘wake up’ from it all.
And maybe make Kate’s realization of Beth’s origin the source of a dilemma. As much as she would probably want Beth to represent a chance at having her sister back, wouldn’t it stand to reason that it would require another Earth to _lose_ her? If nothing else, this would be the focus of…
THE LAZY HACK: Fittingly, this is a lazier version of the scenario described above. Beth would still have her breakdown regarding the dystopian nightmare that is this Earth, except we wouldn’t bother with stuff like flashbacks/flickers to her native Earth, and ultimately we’d be focusing a lot more on Kate.
But, as I said, the focus of this would be the dilemma of Beth from Kate’s perspective. After Crisis on Infinite Tisms, Kate knows _a_ _bunch_ of people with experience in cross-dimensional travel. So…why not have her contact them? Or at least have a throwaway line where she tells Luke to contact them? It would be a chance to A) show Kate actually using the resources of the new -Justice- -League- -Super- -Friends- Equity Fellows and B) give us a reason why Kate doesn’t, y’know, try and get Beth home, because in this scenario (and the HACK’s scenario) we’d be told that…I dunno, the Flash stuck his dick in the -Cosmic- -Treadmill- Techno Stairmaster, and it told him that Beth’s world was destroyed and she only arrived now because of Quantum McQuantumface.
But for the love of all that’s good, either of these would be better than what we got with…
THE BATWOMAN WRITER: This episode is just _filled_ with ‘Fuck you, don’t think about it’ moments.
Beth arrived on this Earth when the sun was down, found that she no longer had a place to live, and then showed up at Wayne Enterprises to nonchalantly wish Kate a happy birthday? Fuck you, don’t think about it.
Beth apparently just got back from “a semester abroad,” but as established has no place to live, so I guess the contents of her purse (re: a driver’s license, a 300-page paper, and a can of mace) are all she had since getting off the plane? Fuck you, don’t think about it.
Beth is from an Earth where things are _objectively_ _better_ , but she’s just kinda sad offscreen and then just vaguely nostalgic for the home she may never see ever again? Fuck you, don’t think about it.
Kate has Supergirl, Flash, and the Legends on her speed dial, and spends exactly ‘zero’ time trying to see if they had a means of getting Beth home, or even just establishing whether she had a home to go back to? Fuck you, don’t think about it.
Really, that last point is the big thing for me on this episode. It’d be one thing if we could go back to Episodes 1 through 8 where we only got references to the fact that actual superheroes exist as a resolution to any number of our problems, but…for fuck’s sake, the last episode _did_ have Kate contact Supergirl, except she did it to put out a press release to make sure the public didn’t think Batwoman was a filthy hetero.
Let me repeat that: the first and thus far _only_ time that Kate has called a fellow Justice League member was to scream ‘Lookit me Imma lesbonio!’ at the general public…but she won’t do the same to potentially get her dimensionally-displaced sister home.
And as if the writers said ‘You thought the physics of the train last episode were stupid? Hold my tism, watch this!’ we get Kate getting fucking _obliterated_ on her bike, and just being…fine. Oh, right, and the police commissioner hates lesbians, apparently. That’s why he didn’t use the Batsignal that was deliberately shut down in the first episode (and then not used at all by the GCPD since then, either). He hates lesbians so much he’d rather let his son (and the mayor’s son) get murdered by a serial killer than risk letting some filthy homo rescue him. That was important enough that we needed a _specific_ _scene_ and multiple additional lines to establish. They even have the mayor’s son highlight how little sense it makes to assume that the commissioner isn’t using the Batsignal because of how much he hates gays.
But the really bizarre thing about that entire subplot? I think the writers thought it was patching a perceived plothole. I think someone said ‘Hey, if Kate gets captured, too, then how do we justify to the public why Batwoman didn’t show up to save them?’ and that this non-issue needed to be addressed. So to do it…they made the police commissioner _cartoonishly_ homophobic, and everyone assumed _that_ was the reason Batwoman didn’t show up to help. And not only that, but they treat this as having been completely reasonable on Batwoman’s part! When the GCPD finally caves and turns the Batsignal on (after the hostage crisis is over), the throngs of Batwoman fans scream and cheer as the lady herself swoops down to bask in their adoration.
Oh, right. And that scene I just described? It happened directly after Sophie and Kate were at Crows HQ, watching the protests. So I guess Kate ‘How did Bruce manage to keep this a secret’ Kane excused herself, ran across town to Wayne Enterprises, put on the batsuit, and then ran to the protest to make a very public and _televised_ appearance.
But hey, the episode (and series) isn’t _all_ bad. After all, I got to mention and recommend ‘Astro City’ to anyone who reads this.
That’s it. See y’all next time for STORYTELLING 101 #9, which will probably be about the recurring ‘You have Supergirl/Flash/the Benevolence Pals on speed dial. Why do you never ask for help?’ question, because _wow_ does it get bad.
LongManBad...
I love Astro City! And Doom Patrol. Basically most of obscure DC.
@@electricbayonet2 did you take a look at my rewrite of Crisis on Infinite Earths? I was wondering if you had any thoughts as to how I could improve it!
@@trygveplaustrum4634 I don't recall reading it. Which video is it posted on?
"You've been replaced with a Asian!"
Oh no irl diversity recasting!
"Your father _outsourced_ you!"
@@electricbayonet2 Is it bigoted against Kate? Is it racist that a white woman has been replaced by an Asian? Quick! I need to be told what to be outraged about?
Robert Manos Beats me, all I know is that apparently the girl that was Alfred’s daughter or something is much darker in the comics.
Lol she ended up leaving the show and got replaced by a Black Woman
@@bbriggs7409 Hah, finally! JLongBone will finally have a protagonist she can relate to!
"I'd rather die than let the gays save me!"
Ok. Whenever I see the motorcycle scenes I die (more than) a little inside. Effin triple cylinder sound on what is clearly a v engine and they got it wrong in the other episodes too. Has any of those people even stood near a motorcycle in their life???
worse than that. It sounds like they used took the actual sound whe she was rolling off, then transitioned to clips that sound more like they were sourced from main straight track footage.
Also the crash was made more predictable since for once in her life she was wearing a helmet...
Alice has invisibility. Batwoman can defy physics and the limitations of human anatomy. Also, when doing a high risk prisoner transfer you have two guards escort the prisoner who will be in ankle shackles and wrist restrictions at her waist side, there will be a lead guard armed with a shotgun and a follow officer also armed with a shotgun. The vehicle will have a driver and a second guard riding shotgun. This will be done during the day time, never at night. The writing for this show should be used in universities to illustrate what not to do, but then considering the modern university politics this writing is probably considered high art.
Also, Batwoman has several times committed the crime of accomplice after the fact. Batwoman can and should be charged with murder in the first degreee, because she knows Alice has murdered and will likely do so again she is in a state of "malice aforethought". She knows Alice will likely kill but lets her go anyways because reasons.
They want you to turn your brain off but do everything they can to prevent that from happening.
"accomplice after the fact"
Do you mean Accessory After The Fact?
@@odinsrensen7460 thanks lawyer-senpai
I love Batwoman... Because you guys making fun of it is infectiously entertaining.
EFAP's reviews as well as Jlongbone's reviews roasting this show make it all worth it.
That scene when she gets hammered by the van... You know what is suppose to be a shocking and intense moment that is suppose to put you on the edge of your seat, instead elicits laughs from everyone who sees it.
6:46 -- _"Theoretical Extragalactic Astrophysics and Cosmology"_
My sister has degrees in Physics and Astrophysics. So I know that THAT'S NOT A THING.
- If you're studying astrophysics, that's more of a conceptual subject that's not limited by location -- so you wouldn't just limit yourself to either intragalactic or extragalactic observations. If you're studying the behavior of pulsars or something, it's not like you'd find a pulsar and then go, _"nope, this one's too close, it's still inside the galactic rim, we can't look at it."_ That's retarded. If you're just interested in the (astro)physics of certain phenomena, you'd study them wherever they are. It's not like mass or gravity or light works differently outside of our galaxy than it does in it.
- Since so much of our understanding of cosmology (the study of the origin of the universe) is theoretical anyway, with a lot of it being basically untestable -- why would a textbook bother to specify that it covers "theoretical" astrophysics and cosmology? We know, it's theoretical. We weren't _at_ the Big Bang.
- Why would a textbook even combine "Astrophysics and Cosmology" in its title? If it was trying to explain the physics of cosmology, the book's subject would just be referred to as "Cosmology." Like how a business textbook wouldn't say it covers "Money and Economics." Money's part of economics, like astrophysics are part of cosmology.
I'm still beside myself from when they said that a firewall could stop an EMP. that is now how those things work.
In other words, think it through there's always someone which will find your m8stake
As an astrophysics major: nice.
Oh I mean these writers literally Googled "science words" and just went with it
They also mentioned ion spectrometry which is meant to analyze gases. Ya can't use that for solids....so yea, this show is dumbbbbb
@@gungrave254 the more I thought about it the more dumbfounded I got. How does an EMP blast only turn off electronics for 10seconds? Last I checked EMPs destroy internal components of electronics...so idek
"Snokes for everyone!" Glad I wasn't drinking anything when you popped that one out Mauler. :)
Batwoman should be apart of redlettermedia's "best of the worst" wheel....on second thought, maybe not
Yeah, it's just worst of the worst
@JoeRingo118 nitroglycerin
They don't watch shows.
damn
@@raam726 They have. Bat woman could qualify for a Plinkett review. He’s done Picard Season 1. but then again, the film Plinkett has done is stuff he actually cares about
Boy I can't wait for the next episode. When more payoffs and character development happen. I'm so glad this whole subplot isn't going to be completly dropped in episode 13 and never mentioned again.
Sarcasm, I love it.
Wad-ya bring me?!
Batwoman survived the crash because her homosexual plot armor cushioned her fall
"I can't die...how will I tell people how gay I am if I'm dead? Someone might mistake me for a filthy hetero!"
@@electricbayonet2 batwoman should tattoo "I'm gay" so that will never happen to our hero
she didn't survive. she was never alive. this is just hell.
@@gungrave254 this is what kate dreams about while being kidnapped by evil ned flanders
I mean, the EFAP gaming of Colonial Marines DOES establish lesbians are indestructible. My God, it's spread
14:55 KK's left leg would be absolutely crushed by the impact with that car. Then her right leg would be skinned to the bone from the friction with the road surface as the bike gets dragged. The shock of impact would do serious damage to her neck and spine and she would almost certainly strike her head (through the helmet) to the road. If she lived, she would probably lose her left leg and possibly have major reconstructive surgery of the right, if they could save it. KK would likely become a double amputee. I've been riding motobikes for years and there's no way you'd survive a crash like that without serious injuries. Some of my friends and family have had serious accidents and to see these show runniers portraying this as they do is justing f'ing insulting. This scene is such BS.
To be "fair" (question mark) about the right leg, the shot seems to be going for the idea that Kate got flung off her bike immediately rather than dragged. So she just goes into a tumble with the barely-intact left leg (or it was torn off by the force flinging her) on top of rolling several miles an hour on every other bone in her body.
I genuinely don't know which result is more likely and more insulting, whether for an actual crash of that magnitude or just for what the show is suggesting.
@@papershadow If she does get flung off, she'd be doing it without her left leg. The point of impact was on the left side of the bike so that leg's a gonner. Yeah, either way, it's bad. I've seen some bad injuries in my day just from low-velocity collisions.
@@solarsailer4166 maybe they’re implying it just clipped the back tire of her bike? Surely that’d be less deadly than getting hit center mass?
Batman.. is a hero.. who works for the greater good.. not for recognition.. or fame.. in the dark night he becomes hated by the city so criminals can stay behind bars... he doesn't care about opinions or perceptions.. just justice...and protecting the city.
Batwoman on the other hand is a classic villain archetype.. she's out for her own glory and fame.. she wants recognition for all that she does... she doesn't care about the greater good.. but only good in relation to herself..... she isn't particularly intelligent or self determined... she doesn't have a strong code or set of morals...
she's the ideal person to be pushed... by circumstances to become the villain.
"If you want this bar to make money, shouldn't there be, like, *people* here?"
All the gay people in Gotham are currently there.
im betting by the end of the show, everyone will be gay.
The bar opens in the episode after the next. Why? So Batwoman can use her customers as bait for a vampire. I’m dead serious. Batwoman is a villain.
@@MistbornTaylor no.... no no no. that cant be true. they cannot be that stupid. i mean... they are pushing it already..... but no. Just no.
@@gungrave254 You have not seen the level of stupids my friend. In the next episode JLongBone was like "Oh, I bet they'll do X--wait no that's too stupid, even for this show" .........yeah they do X
@@MistbornTaylor I want to say that's retarded, but this show...
Also, the original Issue #1 of Batwoman written by Greg Rucka had werewolves in it for some reason, so even by source material standards, it's in line with what you said.
That car is an unsung hero.
We gotta make ballads for the heroes in this show, AR luke and such and such
Uh, it identifies as a truck, you bigot!
a heroic attempt to save us from this show.... sadly he failed. it'll get her next time.
Hey look! - Ned Flanders is back doing his Tobin Bell impression (I thought he was long forgotten).
I shall call him Jigsaw Flanders.
"Hi there neigh-diddly-hbor, would you like to play a game-a-rino?"
Okay that surprise Donkey appearance REALLY got me. lol
So she's dying because there can't be two of here, but if you think about it wouldn't they be pretty much completely different on a molecular level? Like, how the body's cells are completely different after seven years, and their lives have been drastically different for a bit longer than that.
Funny enough one DC movie highlighted this when the justice league visited an alternate earth superman could see that humans organs were reversed compared to theirs
@@isaiahgarraway5568 Funny enough; I believe that the first Injustice game also had that. The Evil Injustice-Universe Superman has the main DC Universe Batman captured, and he realizes that it's not the Batman he knows because, while his DNA is a match, his vitals are all wrong.
@@matthewmuir8884 Yeah there is that. The animated movie was basically their version of injustice lords but the villains in the alternate reality were the good guys and slade was the president.
There's also the whole Supergirl and Power girl thing. Those two exist in the same universe for god knows how long and they still function.
But then again, when they wrote this episode they clearly had no idea how the multiverse worked. You can tell by the "put all the universes in a blender" line, which is absolutely not what happened.
What happened was everything was destroyed and you built it all up from scratch by thinking *real* hard and using the power of friendship.
Every time Rags and Mauler lose it and laughs, it's perfect lol
Talk about a one trick pony. Berlanti made his name in the mid 90's. When he introduced a gay character into "Dawson's creek."
Now every show he produces has to have a gay character. Preferably one oppressed by the patriarchy.
No! Not Brian! Why did they have to take Brian?!
I wonder what happened to Brian??
Did he live??
Who was he??
We need a Brian spin off!!
The girl from Killing Eve would make a good Alice: less “lol, so quirky” and more so genuinely psychopathic, emotionally confused and living in her own little world due to her abnormal and poor social skills.
hi, just wanted to let you know that because of your comment I googled Killing Eve, I bindgewatched the shit out of it and it was fantastic ! thank you for giving me that opportunity :)
Zuzanna Budziarek lol, no probs.
Turn on the Virtue Signal!
thorias reference
Because Batman always waited until the Bat Signal was used to take action, right?
If anyone remembers Spider-man cartoon from 90s? The episode with Multiverse and different Parkers unite to save the day? And because of backgrounds, events that happaned in their lives, choices - they were completely different people? Those were the days.
The best events plus it once did a mini secret wars arc.
I'm so glad they have that series on Disney plus. I just started watching it with my 5 year old son and it's still as good as I remember from when I was a kid.
I binged the entire EFAP Batwoman series during quarantine. I need more episodes...
Having watched all of these many times, Metal's pained reaction to starting another episode is the best moment.
I'm confused. Why didn't Batwoman just go to rescue the hostages anyway? The city isn't asking for help, but that doesn't mean Batwoman isn't aware of the situation, since it's televised. Why didn't Kate just suit up and save the day anyway?
Because she is Batwhaman, not Batman or Batwoman. The last two would work regardless, she apparently doesn't?
Huzzah!
Ps: We get to look at Batwamen... Arrrg'ably.
As someone that rides motorcycles, and has taken a couple spills, I have to say that hit was something. At best, shattered leg, broken ribs, concussion or brain damage, at worst dead. And that landing, another concussion, possibly fractured or broken back, and bruised or broken tailbone. Who filmed this, do they know how physics and the human body works?
braided fishing line, the kind that can pull a tree up from the bottom of a lake, didn't exist during the time frame when she was kidnapped. 15-20 year old fishing line doesn't have that kind of strength due to age as well. it might pull, leave a mark, and hurt, but it would snap under the weight of a full grown adult male. and since that line is from the basement of her kidnapper, it's probably even older/weaker than that because who knows how long it's been sitting down there.
I am not someone who considers himself homophobic for as long as my goodwill lasts. I must say I am beginning to find it a personal insult to my intelligence that this show, and others potentially, are attempting to frame homophobes as so irrational they would let their children die before allowing a gay person to help them. Homophobes exist, racists exist, people you dislike exist. By painting these people as cartoonishly retarded they are not presenting these worldviews in good faith. Very soon people are going to wonder why these people are being presented so unfairly. And because the left have not presented the argument fairly people might start to think the racists and homophobes might have a point. The left wing are making me sympathize with people who I do not agree with and I'm getting pissed off about it.
My buddy had this theory that all this nonsense they push is designed so normal people get to the point. That they end up actually hating these people just so they can legitimately claim. Look see we were right, they really are bigots or whatever ist they want to call people.
These are the same kind of people who wouldn't call for help if someone wearing a MAGA hat were in peril.
Well put man.
Though if you could not call them "homophobes", as that's actually a real medical condition that was repurposed to be a slur by the left. Seriously, there are medical dictionaries that define it as an irrational fear of homosexuals, thus the 'phobia'. I think repurposing real medical conditions as insults is just retarded.
Yes, that was the joke.
I wouldn’t conflate racists as someone you ‘dislike’. I don’t dislike racists but they hate me (I’m black). This is a fictional show with bad writing. It’s up to you to decide if this is propaganda or not.
If media is ‘redpilling’ you or causing you to sympathise with racists then I honestly don’t know what to do for you. If you think gays are like this show then you need to stop watching it and idk figure out how gay people act irl.
If my only exposure to black people were Twitter than I’d fucking hate black people (Again I’m black but not American so maybe that plays a factor). You can hate the show and hate how overly gay it is but don’t conflate this with the lgbt community. Not all of us are valid overzealous Americans who vocalise all their minute problems on Twitter. If this is representation then I don’t fucking want it.
I can't wait for their reaction to the 'Vampire' episode.
Slam Bradly is an established character in the DC universe. He's a golden-age detective character, he's literally been around longer than Batman. He's the father of Selina Kyle's child, he's not just a throwaway joke character. He was a featured hero in Detective Comics Number ONE!
The hysterical laughter of the Toxic Brood is so wholesome and good for the soul in these times.
Apparently you can survive getting hit speeding truck if you're homosexual according to Batwahmen
And if the vehicle is being driven by a man.
@@Xanegoh A white man
nah, you also need to have das vajanya
*Cue EFAP Gaming flashbacks. "They're lesbians! They're indestructible! Abort! Abort!"
“It retarded me into hiccups.”
-Wolf
Hearing MauLer, the great, calm, insightful film intellect calling someone a numpty is priceless and makes this the best Batwoman episode ever.
*_D O N K E H !_*
*WHATCHA BRING ME TO MY SWAMP!?*
So the awkward silence made Mouse suspect alt Beth and then he used their code which they conveniently set up using the scene where Sophie talks in code. Once Beth didn't know that it's not really unreasonable for Mouse to be convinced that she's not Alice.
The rest of this is still hot garbage tho.
I am actually very surprised you didn't comment on Batwoman taking the cheers when Batwoman didn't do anything heroic this episode.
Truck-Kun tried saving us from BatWahman, unfortunately Kate’s immortal so we’re stuck with her.
Truck-Kun cant send Kate to different worlds, she doesn't have a soul and that is why she didn't die when Truck-Kun first hit her.
Good lord this show is terrible. At least alice is having fun with the role, she's better than batwahman.
Why is Alice such a badass anyway? Did her years of being trapped in a basement teach her kung fu?
They're probably trying to do like Joker where occasionally he's shown to be a competent fighter. But joker uses tricks along with his fights to throw batman off guard. Other times we can see on a full on face to face fight without tricks joker loses 90% of the time even when he pushes through because of his insanity. With Alice there is no logic to how she is or even her uses tricks to get around EX FUCKING NAVY SEALS.
@@isaiahgarraway5568 We learn next season she got training from some pirate queen bitch out in the Carribean or some shit.
Don't worry they explain like 30 episodes after the show starts
Wow
All women in these shows kno karate
Between the reaction to the car crash scene in "Wish Upon" to the crash in this episode, their reaction to Kate getting T-boned is probably my favourite.
I'm imagining a Futurama scenario where the duplicate of someone is fated to die.
Alice is emitting doom at ten times the background level.
That was done in one of the Futurama movies.
@@nikoloszeloslav8570 except...not shit
Reporter: Are you refusing to turn on the batsymbol because batwoman is a lesbian?
Wait.... Wasn't the Batsymbol on top of Wayne Enterprises? Go to magpie episode (ep 4). Luke actually turns on the batsymbol. Could only mean luke is the homophobe!!!
Play batwoman sound track*
Kate got hit with the Bat-Pepper Spray
ah. that explains why it only lasted 3 seconds.
The spray wasn't calibrated for her, that's why she didn't go blind.
The Batwoman Repellent Bat Spray
The fact that after letting two people die directly from her own actions she isn't guilt ridden but instead embarrassed is disgusting. You know why right? Its because that means she only cares about herself there, not those other people its being embarrassed my actions were bad and made me look bad instead of disgusted I got two people killed.
Looking back, it's weird that the people of Gotham like Batwoman at the end of this episode. From their perspective, the GCPD didn't ask for her help with the hostages and she refused to get involved. Why would they like a hero who is so petty that she'd let innocents get hurt or die because some asshats won't ask for her help?
How the hell is she able to beat up six guys right after getting hit by a truck?
You got to admit that the fishing wire in the book was a good trick though, that was pretty clever
I'm not gonna lie, seeing Beth pepper spray Kate was very satisfying.
I get more excited for the end credit “what cha bring me!” Then any end credit scene in cinema
When she gets hit by the van, I had one thought from the wise words of Tonald, “she’s fucking DEAD”
>Soundgarden shirt
Chris Cornell is spinning in his grave so fast it's going to cause a singularity.
I'm actually gonna miss batwoman when it's over dude, these have me in stitches every time
This show would turn into an instant masterpiece if the next time Alice got captured Sophie just strolled into the cell and double tapped her twice in the head.
Double tapped her twice? So four times?
@@-JaggedGrace- It's the only way to be sure.
"Are you another face shifting person like me?"
I know that's meant to be an absurdity, but this is Gotham City, there are four villains that can do that LOCALLY. Three Clayfaces and Hush.
More episodes needed.
Imagine making a Batman story so uninteresting you have to introduce a bunch of alternate universe bullshit just to have a plot.
i'm listening to this plot synopsis while somewhat anemic and it's melting my brain right now
Rag"""s laugh is incredibly contagious
I’ve said this on other reviews but can we talk about Mary’s “what if the multiverse is a thing...lol nah jk” moment? Nobody told her anything about what was going on and they just kept saying Beth being back was a miracle, so wtf did she think Beth was a goddamn birthday wish Kate willed into existence? Why is Mary just going along with this without being told anything?
Why does this not call into question who the hell Alice is then if Mary dismisses multiverse as a joke/crazy? I forget if they did anything as definitive as a DNA test, but then doesn't this raise the possibility that Alice was lying with circumstantial stories/evidence?
Hell, in the first few episodes, EFAP speculated a twist where she was just a crazy person who thought she was Beth. THIS of all things would support that premise in-universe for anyone who doesn't know the multiverse exists AND that the Crisis stuff happened.
@@papershadow You're correct that if that were to happen the premise would be supported and honestly it'd make more sense, however just like you said that theory is only EFAP's speculation. Theres no evidence to support that actually being a thing in the show. Even if it was you'd have to accept the fact that Mary never asked alternate universe Beth where she went when she disappeared as a child, why'd she come back now, why Alice and alt Beth are dying because only one can exhist in the universe, etc. Mary trusts and helps alt Beth(who she should believe is her mother's killer) to kill Alice knowing absolutely nothing about anything.
44:08 My question about this part is...WHY the hell did he turn around? Until he did that the thread/fishing line was on the BACK of his neck she could have pulled as hard as she wanted and he could have just taken his time and pulled his pistol out and shot her while she was doing that and just thought "What the hell are you doing?" cuz it wouldn't have done ANY thing to him.
With the amount of Retconning Batwoman does, I wouldn't be surprised Batman died to Alice while she was building up her gang, like he was investigating something then Alice shows up and overpowers him and kills him, wouldn't be surprised if that happens.
Having Kate save Beth is so bad. Instead of Kate having to learn the lesson of "you can't go back" and have her reflect on her decisions, accept them, forgive herself, and move on, they recreate her childhood trauma beat for beat EXCEPT the moment where she couldn't save Beth. Just to stomp out any insecurities she might have had left in her mind, any doubts, any fears, any concerns that she may not be perfect. She saved Beth so now she doesn't have to let those old memories bother her.
Beth should be an inconsolable mess for almost dying in a car for the second time.
Batwoman: I need the validation of the public before I decide to save people.
Me: Is that why you've been letting criminals go, because you need to be told what to do?
Batwoman being a validation addict would explain letting criminals go. Jut BS a story about them getting away and every time they act, the city will praise you for saving them again. Considering how thing the rogue's gallery is, this would actually be necessary for such a tinfoil hat theory because locking up Alice could genuinely leave the city with less than a dozen criminals that require a Bat to deal with, and thus the cause for her praise would dry up faster than the agape mouths of the audience
She's like a inverse Spider-Man, who actually does good and does it despite being labeled a menace and put on blast every day by J. J. Jameson.
Batwhamen finding fake Alice (went through infinite earths): "MUST MURDER!"
Mouse (did not): "Obviously alternate universe Alice" (till next episode anyways).
That's our _hero_!
I figured it out Batwoman is a Metahuman. She was in Star City when the particulars accelerator explode and she got the power of cellar regeneration or rapid healing
Don't bring my boi Static into this shit