Another thing they winded up using the book of destiny to repair everything right? So could they not use is to stop the destruction? They tried to say oh its to mentally draining but thats bullshit because they fixed the mulitverse with universes they dont even know exist
I like how this episode legit proves Batwoman is a sociopath. “Look, your sacrifice might be able to bring back countless trillions, but I know you, I don’t know any of them, so you’re more important.” That’s LEGIT what her thought process must be, for her to say what she said to Supergirl, and with how she treats Alice.
While I agree that Kate is a sociopath, her telling Kara not to do it made sense to me as they still haven't managed to stop the earth's being destroyed, so Kara could die and earth 38 could reappear... for 3 seconds before being destroyed again
Evil batman lost hope therefore not the paragon of courage, even though he literally stood up for what he believed in no matter how afraid he was against a demigod that can end him by looking at him. Idk... seems pretty brave to me.
I get your point but courage is generally thought of as a good trait. For example the Joker doesn't care about his own life in many iterations and will do whatever it takes to achieve his goal. But I wouldn't expect someone to say "The Joker sure is courageous". I'd more expect them to say " The Joker is obsessed and deranged to the point of having no regard for his own life". So in the case of Batman that lost all hope I'd find it strange to call his courageous.
@@josephkerrigan733 to reiterate the point: there is no context for the decline from lawful authority aiding vigilante to one man meta human murderer. Not to mention where were/are the other "heroes" of Earth-99? Also- Luke says the glasses were superman's "alter ego". The writer's fail to grasp he was raised as Clark Kent. It's who he is. "Superman" is Clark Kent's alternate persona, he's only called "Kal-el" by Justice League members so as to not disclose his secret identity.
Wait if the Anti-Moniter wants to destroy the multiverse and he designed a fail safe in the treadmill that destroys the multiverse if old Flash stopped running, then WHAT is the point of the anti-matter wave?! He couldve destroyed infinite universes at ANY time just by taking Flash off the treadmill.
Even worst, if there are infinite universes then that means that infinite amounts of those machines were built and an infinite amount of the built machines were activated destroying the infinite earths
Well, from what I heard he only said the earths of the multiverse would be destroyed. The Anti-Moniter would still have to wipe out everything except that one planet. If I'm wrong though please point out where.
He's actually not. They assume the title is meant to be taken literally. It's not. There were never infinite universes. There were a little over a thousand to begin with. Granted, the show could have taken a moment to explain that, but the comic glosses over it pretty quickly itself.
@@Soridan Yeah because every title to every story ever must be completely literal. Yeah that Star Trek Episode took place in a City on the Edge of Forever. Right.
Take the book of destiny, write in sharpie “the anti-monitor does not exist and the infinite earths are restored. Nobody died.” Done. And while you’re at it, maybe end world hunger or something. Edit: follow up question: instead of trying to go to every single one of the infinite earths to kill every single Superman...why not just write in the book of destiny that all the Supermen are dead.
...and photocopy the book of destiny then, as a backup, leave the copy at Vanishing Point so it doesn't effect the infinite Earths. Like a Windows restore point.
creapsmantic A) you have a book that changes the fabric of reality just by writing on it with a Sharpie. And B) technically it’s infinite because there are *infinite* earths ;)
Just gonna say, the "Watcha bring me" is NEVER going to get old for me. Put it at the end of every video, make a million memes of it, I'll laugh every time
Really, if these are the calibre of people we have protecting the multiverse, and especially considering that they are all “Paragons” of some kind, isn’t that evidence that every version of reality has failed to be competent and we should just let it all die?
God dammit longshanks! You shouldn't point out the nihilism in the show, you should clap like the rest of the people who love the show and questions nothing!
In the comics, The Book Of Destiny is a record of everything that has ever happened from the Big Bang to the Big Crunch. IT CAN’T BE ALTERED! No one can tear a page out and sharpie new details.
And even if you did alter it, it would actually change reality, much like any log. Though, full disclosure it can be altered by altering the natural course of destiny itself. You literally have to change time to change the book. Does nothing the other way around.
They really got this whole paragon thing ass backwards. Why is The Flash not the paragon of hope. The dude is meant to be a hopeful optimistic character and in the Blackest Night comic book, he was a blue lantern (the lantern of hope) Also, if changing a paragon is as simple as writing your name in the book of destiny with a sharpie and they suffer no repercussions. Why didn’t the monitor or the team go like “ok, Batwoman, you’re out, we’re recruiting more Supermen and people with superpowers that will be extremely useful”. Not that it matter as those shadow demon thingies seem to be made of paper that even Ryan Choi can punch them in the final battle.
FunZies Oh, damn you’re right. Totally forgot, shouldn’t think about it. Oh look it’s Tom Welling back as Smallville Superman, oh look it’s Kevin Conroy as Batman, oh look.......
“Why is that Flash not the Paragon of Hope?” Because he is a straight white male. The only other straight white guy to be a paragon was Luthor, who is a VILLAIN. Ya see what they’re doing yet?
Denker Bosu It feels more sexist to me, cuz why can’t a woman be paragon of love. What’s wrong with love? You love your friends, family, lover, planet and pets. Supergirl actually suits love better than hope. My logic is backwards though apparently so what do I know.
Alright, boyos, it's time for Episode 3 of STORYTELLING 101: HACK, LAZY HACK, or BATWOMAN WRITER. This time, we'll be looking at Superman, Lex Luthor, and the Paragon of Truth. THE SETUP: For who knows what reason, you really want Lex Luthor to be one of the seven Paragons. You also want to make it something of a bait-and-switch where the Paragon slot appears to be filled by Superman, but is supplanted by Luthor. Let's break down how two hypothetical people and one real person might handle this. As before, we'll call them HACK, LAZY HACK, and BATWOMAN WRITER. THE HACK APPROACH: First and foremost, we cut out all of the 'Lex Luthor wants to murder all Supermen' thing. The Monitor still resurrects him, but when the other heroes demand to know why _he_ gets special treatment the Monitor says something vague about Luthor having a role to play in all this. Maybe also have him there with his fairly-iconic powersuit, and a willingness to help because A) he doesn't want the Monitor to revoke his newfound 'no longer being dead' status B) the multiverse is going to be destroyed and C) the multiverse is where he keeps all his stuff. So, he accompanies some of the heroes on their missions, gets some heated dialogue with them, but is ultimately still a boon to the team effort. Maybe he fights off some supervillains or whatever. Point is, as much as they don't like him, they know he'll help even if out of purely selfish reasons. Then, when we get to Harbinger's betrayal, it's made clear that the destructo-beam that Harbinger is firing at the Monitor is similar to the entropic wave that seems to have no problem erasing all of reality. During the fight, Superman gets tagged by the beam, and when all the Paragons are transported to the vanishing point Superman goes with them, but Luthor gets dragged along as well. Superman is dying of anti-matter exposure at the Vanishing Point, and once he kicks the bucket everyone realizes that since Luthor is there they _still_ have seven people, meaning that this was somehow foreseen by galactic space prophecy and this was Luthor's role all along. This way, Luthor is no longer an almost comically-harmful presence on the team (no more words with dead Supermen thanks to him) and instead gets to not only interact with the others, but actively contribute. It wouldn't be the first time Luthor teamed up with the -Justice- -League- -Super- -Friends- Fairness Pals to fight a mutual threat. THE LAZY HACK APPROACH: The same thing as above, except Luthor just kind of hangs out in the ship doing a fat lot of nothing. He talks to some people as they pass through, but ultimately it comes down to the Monitor insisting (really, really vaguely) that he's important, and then it being revealed that he's important because Superman wasn't going to survive and they still need seven Paragons. Luthor isn't a detriment to the team's efforts, but his active presence is virtually nonexistent so it's really easy to film all his parts. THE BATWOMAN WRITER APPROACH: Luthor gets brought in for vague Monitor-reasons, and he IMMEDIATELY starts fucking things up. Holy shit, he's murdering Supermen?! And his goal is to manually jump between dimensions and personally kill every single Superman?!? Not only is he willing to risk the entire multiverse doing this, but...he even thinks it's something he _can_ do? When he went to Smallville Earth, he actually had a little lipstick-sized piece of kryptonite. On the one where they ripped off the 'Death of Superman' comic panel, Superman was lying in a pile of rubble after looking like...well, like he had just fought Doomsday. What the hell did Luthor do to _that_ Superman? And all of this is apparently according to the Monitor's plan because...Luthor will, coincidentally, lead them to the specific Superman that will be the Paragon of Truth? What? And then, as if all _that_ wasn't bad enough, he whips out the _Infinity_ _Sharpie_ , scribbles his name on a page from the Book of Destiny, and _fucking_ _erases_ _Superman_ and replaces him as the Paragon of Truth. Fucking _what_ ?! First off, since when was _that_ an option for determining Paragons? This is the same book that used cryptic bullshit to get Jake Wayne killed (and Luke Fox almost certainly 'killed while resisting arrest') so Batwoman could reveal that she was the Paragon of Courage the whole time? And that needed one really, _really_ specific Superman to be the Paragon of Truth? All you needed to do was write a guy's name down, and then he's the new Paragon of Whatever? But that just makes it bad writing. No, BATWOMAN WRITING requires that it be a Paragon of Awfulness, to go above and beyond being merely bad to something that puts significant time and effort into being horrific when laziness would have produced significantly better and less insulting results. Luthor was resurrected ostensibly to lead them to the Superman that would be the Paragon of Truth...but then he _killed_ _that_ _Superman_ _and_ _stole_ _his_ _Paragon_ _status_ . The Monitor let Luthor personally murder multiple Supermen in the name of finding this _one_ specific Superman...and then Luthor kills _him_ too! With one scribble of his stupid Infinity Sharpie, Luthor negated the one reason why the Monitor brought him back to life, and it's not like he has any reason to believe that scribbling his name over Superman's has made him the Paragon of Truth. For all he knows, all he did was kill Superman and doom the multiverse. He has proven to be _suicidally_ _evil_ , and yet the show will undoubtedly want us to think he's some kind of insidious mastermind that gets to smugly gloat at the other Paragons while his plot-armor prevents any kind of reprisal for his complete and total awfulness. Forget Batwoman being a sociopath and valuing Kara's life over the lives of everyone that lived on 'Infinity-Minus-One' Earths, because at least Kate is just advocating that they be allowed to stay dead. Lex Luthor has repeatedly placed his own stupid murderboner for Superman ahead of the wellbeing of the entire multiverse, and when all this is over and everything gets reset the writers will somehow think that his presence was totally justified because he helped save the multiverse. No, Writers-Responsible-For-This-Crime-Against-Storytelling. Lex Luthor is not going to get a one-seventh share of credit for saving the multiverse. He is, and always will be, the doucheturd that the multiverse was saved _in_ _spite_ of. I hope that one day you will improve your writing by _aspiring_ _to_ _laziness_ .
Please do one of these for the remaining episodes as well; these synopses are significantly more entertaining than the content in question, and will be, I have no doubt, absolutely necessary.
@@electricbayonet2 If he's really more disappointing than in episodes 2 and 3, I am impressed enough of your brain survived to write these. See you next episode, good sir.
"Directional Velocity", Jesus Christ. The whole point of the term 'velocity' is that direction is baked in; otherwise, it's just 'speed'. 'Directional velocity' is a REDUNDANCY. This is so dumb. I love it.
thinking... directional velocity... I was going to suggest that they were attempting to find a fancy way to say acceleration but even that farces up. So glad I don't pay to watch this show... or even just watch this show.
But that's not common knowleedge to the lay person...> if you say "Reverse the velocity" then.... what would they think? Actually. I guess telling someone to "reverse the speed" would have the same result so I'm just dumb...!
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the plot of this series, courtesy of the Anti-Monitor: “I shall destroy the infinite universes! To achieve this, I shall construct this machine that generates an anti-matter wave that slowly travels through the infinite universes and destroys them. To power this machine, I shall kidnap a Flash from a universe I already destroyed, and have him run a treadmill, thus powering my amazing machine! And in case he thinks he can stop running and prevent my master plan, the machine has a failsafe built in that will instantly delete every universe out there if he stops providing power to the machine! Mwhahahahahahaha! Also, if he ever starts running backwards, it will stop the device because stop asking questions!” This ... I can’t ... I just want to scream honestly.
This is why only talented writers should be allowed to work on television or movies. Things which make sense, for lack of a better term, in a comic book, sound like a cabbage sodomizing a potato. And even the best actors can only do so much with carrot level writing.
@@TheMaleRei the thing is: even if I read this in a comic book I would be screaming at the pages! This is ... this defies any sort of consistency and logic, and I'm a 40k fan, I've dealt with Chaos and with the "if enough of us believe it, it's true" Orks. And even those piles of reality warping writing make more sense than this level of stupidity.
I cried when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan (I was 11). I'm laughing every time that antimatter stream launches and fries another Earth. Too bad one hasn't come at us! :)
They talked for so long that Infinite got reduced to 7, before they actually started to get sh*t done. Actually, yeah. That seems like Kate Kane’s idea of successful heroism.
You know the sadder thing guys? When Endgame happened, they actually explained the reasons why it needed to be done in a certain way. Cause the writers actually thought of the problems that come with time travel. This is what happens when you just don't care about how or why. Endgame was not perfect, but good lord this make that movie look like Shakespeare in comparison.
Yeah dude, this is like TLJ levels of shocking, where the writers didn't even bother establishing the most simple logic. I kinda can't believe it. So many things look so much better compared to this.
@@w0undedmakers251 But it is the perfect example. All endgame had to do is explain enough to have the majority of the audience to be able to follow along and have an idea roughly what was going down. Yes there were contradictions, but overall for the purposes of the movie people got the jist. This show fails and contradicts itself so badly it causes you to notice and break out of your suspension of disbelief. The point is at least in Endgame, they made an attempt, worked on it and for the most part it flowed. Crisis?!?!? The amount of no ducks given is staggering to the point, you have to wonder how these writers got a job at all, or manage to breathe properly.
Oh for the love of...Oliver's version of Purgatory is the island that he was stranded on? An island that is called Lian Yu...which we're told flat-out and quite early in S1 of Arrow is _Mandarin_ _for_ _Purgatory_ ? My first question was what unique combination of 'thinking the audience is stupid' and 'being stupid' on the part of the writers brought about this choice. My second question is how this shit gets translated to Chinese viewers. Like, in the Chinese translation of 'Arrow,' is the island just called 'Purgatory' in English? Is there a scene where the arc villain of the flashbacks tells Oliver in Chinese that the island's name is Purgatory, and that means Purgatory? And now, does this mean that Oliver's personal purgatory is technically called Purgatory, Purgatory?
electricbayonet2 and here’s the best part: Purgatory isn’t even a punishment. It’s where your soul goes to be cleansed of temporal attachments before going to Heaven if you die in a state of grace. So the deal with Lucifer is pointless. Movie Constantine understands the cosmology better than CW Constantine
I think you're giving the writers too much credit by thinking this was a decision... I'm banking on they just flat out forgot about Lian Yu's translation because they are useless.
I’m disappointed that Dougray Scott wasn’t at the Vanishing Point with a laptop so that when they all showed up, he could slam it shut and say WHADUBRINGME
antony yeah they have other devil characters heck Morgana or Merlin could’ve sent them to purgatory. Lucifer is nigh omnipotent he’s too OP to concern himself with the Crisis that’s why in the comics him and the angels are totally out of the loop and are just observing; plus Lucifer was granted to create his own universe outside of the DC Multiverse, but I’m not sure whether he destroyed it or left it to grow on its own during the infinite crisis timeline...this is in comics by the way.
So let me get this straight the only person the Monitor guy told any plan to was Lex Luthor so Lex would steal the book of destiny.... everyone else has to figure it out on their own ...
the writters wanted to not spoiled the whole show by having everyone know what to do cause drama or they try to and endgame that doctor strange that a one shot plan that only works if they don't know the plan
I believe in the old DC lore the reason "Earth is special" tvTrope is because an unusual amount of super powered beings have congregated to it. Where in other worlds/areas they have like one to ten powered beings unless they are from where Darkseid comes from.
Ok but marvel explains that same concept using the celestials as the reason superheroes and mutants exist in the first place. A celestial goes to the core of the planet and radiates a gene that gives some people powers. In dc..they just kinda congregate there for reasons
There's actually a story line about the Guardians of the Universe getting pissed off because they discover Earth is the center of cosmic significance and not Oa. Because they can't ever get anything right.
I'm just pissed they couldn't even do Lex fkn Luthor any justice. The character pretty much is a badass by himself, assuming you have the faintest clue how to write a villain.
I blame the casting, there is absolutely no way in any universe are you gonna make Allan from Two and a Half Men into a menacing... anything. It's funny, the old animated superman had an excellent Lex, strong, smart, charismatic, and dark skinned, and yet lately they keep making him this pale ass wimp who's actor is only known for being a cringey, awkward nerd.
I'm surprised the Anti-monitor didn't say that the reason he was wiping out the universes was to "Make The Universe Great Again". It seems like a time these shows would try to implement some propaganda.
Ok not defending the show, but to explain something to Rags: People make deals with the Devil/get him to do things when one: It is within the interest of Satan to help out. Or two: You win out over him and bind him to the deal, so he has to carry it out. Now it is STILL up to the person who did the deal to be careful so the Adversary has no wiggle room to screw you over. If Satan had the rep he will screw you over on EVERY deal, then almost everybody will avoid him in every instance. Being truly the Adversary means you have to be reliable enough to tempt people to think they can get over on you, then once the target gets that first hit, usually they keep coming back and will screw up. Some of the best stories around is the chess match between Satan and the Hero seeing can the good guy get the win before Head Archfiend can nail his soul. TLDR: There is a reason the phrase "First hit is free" has meaning.
@@xyphos6790 Gotcha. Just explaining in general why anybody would be temped to enter any deal with the Devil. Also how was Lucifer as a show? Was curious if it was worth watching.
Yeah, making a "deal with the Devil" will generally entail getting what you want. The Devil keeps his word. He just tries his best to fuck you over within the scope of his word.
Funnily enough the word "infinite" in the title was never meant to be taken "literally." There's a line that explains there were never infinite universes. But Crisis on 1,012 Earths isn't as catchy.
@@HungryForTastyFoodAndComicArt I knew what you meant. I was just providing context the video clips seemed to have missed. It clears up a lot of the confusion when you understand the distinction.
Shouldn't Lex Luthor be the Paragon of humanity? I'm not very familiar with DC, but isn't the entire reason he hates Superman because he's at like the peak of humanity but he's still nothing compared to Superman? Why not any other hero without powers? What exactly makes asian boy the Paragon? I missed it if it was explained
Corrupt Angel They never really explain what makes someone a paragon or what exactly these paragons do. In fact, the paragons never really do anything. It makes no sense.
I saw in a previous video a question arose about who Jacob was calling during his trip out of town. The answer: Jacob was calling Kate, which the show establishes by him calling her "kid" during the phone call. This is reinforced when Mouse/Jacob says that he's patching things up with Catherine and Kate asks how when he's been out of town (so she knows this). He covers by saying that he had breakfast that morning when he got back into town, and Kate appears to buy this. So Alice and Mouse didn't do anything to stop Jacob from being able to call people when out of town. He just only happened to tell Kate and not anyone else. And Kate happened to not have any interactions during this time that would have brought this to light. Not only that, Mouse paid so little attention to covering this up that he slips up in the brief interaction he does have with Kate. Why do things work out this way? It would appear just so that the plot can happen. On the other hand I suppose it makes Kate's deduction about Mouse not being Jacob slightly more believable?
Elongatedman V Paragon of Tisms : Infinite crisis on not-quite-so-infinite-Earth Synopsis : In this special effects extravaganza, Elongatedman stops the Anti-anti-anti-Monitor's evil plan of putting Whisperman on the Infinity Treadmill so he can size the Sharpie of Destiny for himself and rewrite the script.
This is sad. CoIE when it came out handled and explained how and WHY these Universes could be destroyed and why even 'Infinite' could be taken out. Buuuut this is the CW, where the only Infinite thing is the writers stupidity. Edit: HOLY SHIT!!! I thought you guys was joking in comments about the sharpie of destiny. WOOOOOW I am actually stunned they pulled that level of crap. That never happened in CoIE, not even close, just.... EURRRRRGH!!!! "Blue screens like Fringy"
It's y I dropped off all the shows of the DC shows...... I gave em all a couple more seasons after they started goin bad, but I couldn't fuckin take it anymore, FFS, if u think the writing is bad In the crossover, its worse in the actual shows
I like how Lex stood up between the group of heroes and held the page of destiny up towards the cameras instead of any of the other characters. Didn't seem weird at all
Killing "infinite" earths, just do what Owlman did in Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths and locate earth prime and destroy that universe. Although I think you would also have to travel back in time a bit to the point of where the first choice/action spawned the first alternate universe and blow up the bomb there.
Officer Buck Tuddrussel Funny thing is they do the exact thing that was owlman’s reason for destroying everything. They actually made it so that whatever decision you make, they’ll be another version of you that makes the opposite.
Apparently earth 1 is the prime universe because in season 2 of the flash the main villain tried destroying the multiverse and he said that earth-1 was like a hub for all the other multiverses. don't worry these writers forget nearly everything in their pre-established lore
"Infinite earths." "Let's not use anything on any of them and isolate the story to a few people in a small area that nobody cares about." "Great idea!"
I feel your pain, Fringy. Batman is my all-time favorite comic book hero as well. Hell, I went as Batman for Halloween 3 years in a row when I was little, so seeing this is just heartbreaking and gutwrenching.
To addresses Fringy, the meta purpose of the first crisis was to have one continuity. Authors and fans were having a hard time with them...it took them 2 events to undo this (both of which, incidentally, were much better stories)
For anyone wondering why there was a Lucifer cameo, the Lucifer show is based on a comic that is in the DC universe (whether canonically or not) therefore he technically exists in the DCU too.
Aw, Lucifer showing up has got to be the best part of this show. That show was actually pretty decent, yet got axed while this other garbage is still going.
22:21 yes. There was a Flash tv show in 1990. Mark Hamill played a villain in it and made an appearance in the new one. Also, the actor playing old Flash also plays new Flash's dad.
@@bar-elch7809 luifer is 2nd strongest person in the multiverse just below GOD, so he would be immune to anti montier , plus its just a tongue in cheek cameo
@@MWMTEE I mean, considering his power and position, you'd think he'd have some vested interest in keeping people alive. Inserting him like that, regardless of intent, just brings up even more questions that could have been avoided.
Here's the thing about the who "infinite" thing. Their are infinite earth but that's only from the perspective of beings that are susceptible to time and space. The Anti-Monitor exists outside of the multiverse so he can destroy it. Imagine if the multiverse existed inside of an ever expanding ball filling with new universe's. Now imagine if a being that exists outside that ball crushed it down till it was nothing. Also in DC comics Earth is the lynch pin of the entire multiverse. The Specter is the vengeance of God. He's kind of like DC's Ghost Rider just more powerful. He can alter reality but only in acts of vengeance.
@@johannesseyfried7933 Well in the comic there weren't "paragons" exactly. The Monitor had Harbinger gather a bunch of random characters from across the multiverse to help stop the multiverse collapse. They ultimately all pretty much fail and they eventually get the real superhero to help. I'm simplifying it a bit some of the "paragons" do play a major role in the story but it's a pretty pointless plot point. Now if you're talking about the show I don't really have any idea. It's just jumbled mess of different things that kind of sort of happened in the book.
I was mistaken I was under the impression that heroes were supposed to be willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good, it's a good think batwoman came along and taught me that your friends are more important than existence
The CW DC Universe died with Arrow season 3 episode 9 when Ra's al ghul put a sword through Oliver's chest and kicked him off a mountain. The league of assassins won the end. All the rest is a bad dream.
I like the way season 3 ends. It ends with him quitting and driving off into the sunset with a woman he loves. Perfect way to end the series. He retired and has kids in my headcanon.
I like to think that too. That Oliver came back afterwards was dumb... then again the actor they chose for Ra's, or the whole repurposing of him as the heir instead of Batman... it was painful. I still watched until season 4 when Damien Darkh came and hammed his hamminess in our face, not to mention Felicity turning into a shrieking harpy who wants to possess her husband.
Swift Nimblefoot the whole magic thing ruined whatever semblence of realism the show had previously. A super soldier serum I can believe, but magic? Nope. Not in a series that started out like this one did. That just ruins everything for me. Most of season 3 wasn’t great either. Im glad they went back to form in season 5 but apparantly season 6 went back to them being stupid again. Dont know anything about season 7 or 8 but i wont waste my time with that. I actually used to like Felicity before they ruined her character. Laurel becoming the Canary was unnecessary, she’s a lawyer right? Keep her at that stuff and let her sister handle being the Canary because she has actual training. Diggle killing his brother and even the fact that he came back at all was complete BS. So much started out great in the first 2 seasons then it went straight down the toilet. It really could’ve been great but they butchered the series once again.
Shouldn't infinite Lex Luthors have appeared when he wrote his name in the book, because his sharpie written in name had no way of specifying which Lex Luthor? And perhaps they didn't mean infinite in the literal sense... just that it's a really big number beyond count... And when it dwindled down, they were able to count it... Got real easy when it was just down to one....
You know I just watched the Addams Family 1 & 2 in between watching this video, comedy movies that are taken about as seriously as a fourth wall break and damn! The acting, I mean the damn acting man! It's like magic, not a single solitary moment did I sit there and think "these are just a bunch of actors saying lines" and then I listen to lines in this and its like pre-school vs artists! Such a sad, sad world we live in now with actors, movies and tv shows.
"Infinite" is clearly hyperbolic. As in "there are so many more than you can count that they might as well be infinite." It's the only way the idea of destroying them all makes sense.
The term directional velocity is funny because velocity is a vector and in order for something to be a vector is must have a magnitude AND a direction. Therefore, adding direction to the front of it means literally nothing.
Nothing makes me squeal with delight more than seeing a new efap mini in my recommended. Please never stop doing efap reactions, you sre the best thing on UA-cam!
1:41 to be honest that's the quirk about DC's multiverse is that Earth *is* special, it is at the center of the entire multiverse, so if something happens to Earth, the repercussions are massive. Of course the reasoning behind that is that Earth Prime is our planet and so if something happened to *all* Earths, then there would be no source of the comics, hence why it is a bad thing. It's still arbitrary as hell, but that's why Earth being in danger is a threat on the scale it is.
Yet it's still exempt from cosmic affairs. Yeah, I know the Green Lantern Corps and New Genesis (why?) imposes neutrality, but considering all the times Earth gets caught up in cosmic affairs anyway, that neutrality pact is rendered null for all practical purposes.
24:21 He brings up a good point. There should be infinite amount of Flashes, Supermen, Wonder Women running around opening portals all over the place. It should be absolute fucking anarchy, because an infinite amount of superheroes are trying to stop the destruction.
Thank you for doing this live. I am impressed with how you've found a way to make the treasure of your reactions to this infinitely more valuable, even if there are only 2 of infinite episodes left.
You know in Avengers Infinity War, how the Avengers and the Guardians and everyone get their asses handed to them by the bad guys and loose, but it is kind a tragic because they tried their hardest and made mostly rational choices and when they lost, it was treated with insane gravitas?
Ironically enough Mauler, they used the same background tint for Supernaturals Purgatory for Crisis's. I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled that show in too.
How is it that a 50-year-old mangaka handled the idea of infinite versions of characters better than a bunch of "writers" adapting Crisis on Infinite Earths?
I was honestly surprised that when they went to Purgatory, the CW didn't try to squeeze a Supernatural cameo in after seeing Lucifer show up. I'd like to imagine they went to the Supernatural people and asked and Supernatural just responded with "we have more respect for ourselves than to show up in this shit."
I like how they're talking about how the Old Flash couldn't be running as fast when in the show, Old Barry took some of CW's Barry's speed and was able to run as fast. Also, there's Jay Garrick who is old but can use the speedforce like Barry, Wally, Jesse and all the other speedsters.
Too bad there isn’t a paragon of common sense
He was the first one killed before it all started
that was vaceanted from the show can't have that then 90% of the show never happend
If there was, Mutton Chops probably let Lex Luthor kill him to remind us of how important Batwoman is.
you killing me bruh xd
I saw him at the start of the first episode. Right before the planet went red and blew. It was a terrible tragedy, honestly.
Unintentionally deep quote: “You can just sharpie your name in the book of destiny.”
-EFAP, 2020
Cause its the Sharpie of Change.
Another thing they winded up using the book of destiny to repair everything right? So could they not use is to stop the destruction? They tried to say oh its to mentally draining but thats bullshit because they fixed the mulitverse with universes they dont even know exist
SubOptimal Sage More importantly, can you write “everyone has a dickbutt” in the Book of Destiny and have it happen?
@@smugalice6206 Now we're asking the important questions
*Change the destiny of universes with this one weird trick! The Monitor HATES it!*
I like how this episode legit proves Batwoman is a sociopath.
“Look, your sacrifice might be able to bring back countless trillions, but I know you, I don’t know any of them, so you’re more important.”
That’s LEGIT what her thought process must be, for her to say what she said to Supergirl, and with how she treats Alice.
"Needs of the many."
Star Trek
"There is still good in you."
Star Wars
"Ain't givin' a fawk cuz I'm batwamen!"
Crisis on Infinitism
While I agree that Kate is a sociopath, her telling Kara not to do it made sense to me as they still haven't managed to stop the earth's being destroyed, so Kara could die and earth 38 could reappear... for 3 seconds before being destroyed again
Hey, at least she was being written consistently.
@@SpecterVonBaren very true indeed
"And lo the Basic Bitches didst proclaim Yassss Queen Batwoman, slay"
“I’d rather watch my daughter die than never see her grow up” - CW writers’ logic, apparently
Sociopaths.
I hope these writers never have kids.
I wonder if these writers had fathers?
_insert classic scene of someone killing their pet because they'd have to go give it away_
If she dies, you will never see her grow up...
wouldn't it be 'ever see her grow up'?
Evil batman lost hope therefore not the paragon of courage, even though he literally stood up for what he believed in no matter how afraid he was against a demigod that can end him by looking at him. Idk... seems pretty brave to me.
I get your point but courage is generally thought of as a good trait.
For example the Joker doesn't care about his own life in many iterations and will do whatever it takes to achieve his goal. But I wouldn't expect someone to say "The Joker sure is courageous". I'd more expect them to say " The Joker is obsessed and deranged to the point of having no regard for his own life".
So in the case of Batman that lost all hope I'd find it strange to call his courageous.
@@josephkerrigan733 to reiterate the point: there is no context for the decline from lawful authority aiding vigilante to one man meta human murderer. Not to mention where were/are the other "heroes" of Earth-99?
Also- Luke says the glasses were superman's "alter ego". The writer's fail to grasp he was raised as Clark Kent. It's who he is. "Superman" is Clark Kent's alternate persona, he's only called "Kal-el" by Justice League members so as to not disclose his secret identity.
Brave…maybe even courageous
To be fair Lucifer is more virtuous than batwoman. His show is also better
batwoman, not batgirl
@@maymay5600 ah shit
@@church4898 Yeah, Batgirl is an actual good character, Batwoman isn't
69 likes is the proper amount of likes for Lucifer.
The first four seasons, sure. The fifth is pretty cringe.
Wait if the Anti-Moniter wants to destroy the multiverse and he designed a fail safe in the treadmill that destroys the multiverse if old Flash stopped running, then WHAT is the point of the anti-matter wave?! He couldve destroyed infinite universes at ANY time just by taking Flash off the treadmill.
Shh shh-shh... turn your brain off and consume next product. Thinking is not allowed here.
Get the fuck outta here with your logic and common sense, shooo
Even worst, if there are infinite universes then that means that infinite amounts of those machines were built and an infinite amount of the built machines were activated destroying the infinite earths
Well, from what I heard he only said the earths of the multiverse would be destroyed. The Anti-Moniter would still have to wipe out everything except that one planet. If I'm wrong though please point out where.
themacewens guess they needed something for those characters to do
Barry: "I told you I would come running home to you."
MauLer: "You walked."
And I died :D
He only said coming home because of the song
I also loved 7/Infinite left
Right after he was fighting everyone to let him be the one to die...
Fringy's infinite butthurt over infinity is infinitely amusing to me.
(He's right too.)
INFINITE TISMS
@@goufr3540 Infinitism could be his stand name.
He's actually not. They assume the title is meant to be taken literally. It's not. There were never infinite universes. There were a little over a thousand to begin with.
Granted, the show could have taken a moment to explain that, but the comic glosses over it pretty quickly itself.
@@bad-people6510 if you don't mean infinite then don't say infinite. Simple as.
@@Soridan Yeah because every title to every story ever must be completely literal. Yeah that Star Trek Episode took place in a City on the Edge of Forever. Right.
Take the book of destiny, write in sharpie “the anti-monitor does not exist and the infinite earths are restored. Nobody died.” Done. And while you’re at it, maybe end world hunger or something.
Edit: follow up question: instead of trying to go to every single one of the infinite earths to kill every single Superman...why not just write in the book of destiny that all the Supermen are dead.
+ restore "xx" and kill "the hmms" = peace on earth and no problem. Based on facts
...and photocopy the book of destiny then, as a backup, leave the copy at Vanishing Point so it doesn't effect the infinite Earths. Like a Windows restore point.
Isn't that a Regular Show plot?
creapsmantic A) you have a book that changes the fabric of reality just by writing on it with a Sharpie. And B) technically it’s infinite because there are *infinite* earths ;)
Because shhhhh.
Just gonna say, the "Watcha bring me" is NEVER going to get old for me. Put it at the end of every video, make a million memes of it, I'll laugh every time
I'm gonna say that out loud every time Mauler uploads a new video
And he still does in 2023
@@thatguy3421 I wish he would do other memes now. It got old for me
Watcha bring me
Really, if these are the calibre of people we have protecting the multiverse, and especially considering that they are all “Paragons” of some kind, isn’t that evidence that every version of reality has failed to be competent and we should just let it all die?
Batman was right, what a shock.
Or it's evidence the Monitor is a terrible judge of character.
@@alexholker1309 Or, and follow me on this, it's both.
It's the calibre the CW has had for years.
God dammit longshanks! You shouldn't point out the nihilism in the show, you should clap like the rest of the people who love the show and questions nothing!
In the comics, The Book Of Destiny is a record of everything that has ever happened from the Big Bang to the Big Crunch. IT CAN’T BE ALTERED! No one can tear a page out and sharpie new details.
To be fair, in the comics Barry isn’t a moron, and doesn’t act like a cuck when iris is around.
And even if you did alter it, it would actually change reality, much like any log.
Though, full disclosure it can be altered by altering the natural course of destiny itself. You literally have to change time to change the book. Does nothing the other way around.
13:06 Wow, Mauler cameo!
Wait, aren't you one of the directional Nolan's of legend? Now that's what I call a crossover
They really got this whole paragon thing ass backwards. Why is The Flash not the paragon of hope. The dude is meant to be a hopeful optimistic character and in the Blackest Night comic book, he was a blue lantern (the lantern of hope)
Also, if changing a paragon is as simple as writing your name in the book of destiny with a sharpie and they suffer no repercussions. Why didn’t the monitor or the team go like “ok, Batwoman, you’re out, we’re recruiting more Supermen and people with superpowers that will be extremely useful”. Not that it matter as those shadow demon thingies seem to be made of paper that even Ryan Choi can punch them in the final battle.
_LOGIC! We don't take kindly to that sort of crap around here. Begone!_
FunZies Oh, damn you’re right. Totally forgot, shouldn’t think about it. Oh look it’s Tom Welling back as Smallville Superman, oh look it’s Kevin Conroy as Batman, oh look.......
“Why is that Flash not the Paragon of Hope?”
Because he is a straight white male. The only other straight white guy to be a paragon was Luthor, who is a VILLAIN. Ya see what they’re doing yet?
@@w0undedmakers251 If he were the paragon of hope, he would be exchanging with Supergirl, Making Supergirl the Paragon Love, and THATS sexist.
Denker Bosu
It feels more sexist to me, cuz why can’t a woman be paragon of love. What’s wrong with love? You love your friends, family, lover, planet and pets.
Supergirl actually suits love better than hope.
My logic is backwards though apparently so what do I know.
"It would be funny it wasn't so pathetic...
"Oh what the heck, I'll laugh anyway."
You win
That movie is still gold.
@@SwiftNimblefoot what movie is being referenced here?
@@ND62511 Batman Beyond Return of the Joker.
Alright, boyos, it's time for Episode 3 of STORYTELLING 101: HACK, LAZY HACK, or BATWOMAN WRITER. This time, we'll be looking at Superman, Lex Luthor, and the Paragon of Truth.
THE SETUP: For who knows what reason, you really want Lex Luthor to be one of the seven Paragons. You also want to make it something of a bait-and-switch where the Paragon slot appears to be filled by Superman, but is supplanted by Luthor. Let's break down how two hypothetical people and one real person might handle this. As before, we'll call them HACK, LAZY HACK, and BATWOMAN WRITER.
THE HACK APPROACH: First and foremost, we cut out all of the 'Lex Luthor wants to murder all Supermen' thing. The Monitor still resurrects him, but when the other heroes demand to know why _he_ gets special treatment the Monitor says something vague about Luthor having a role to play in all this. Maybe also have him there with his fairly-iconic powersuit, and a willingness to help because A) he doesn't want the Monitor to revoke his newfound 'no longer being dead' status B) the multiverse is going to be destroyed and C) the multiverse is where he keeps all his stuff. So, he accompanies some of the heroes on their missions, gets some heated dialogue with them, but is ultimately still a boon to the team effort. Maybe he fights off some supervillains or whatever. Point is, as much as they don't like him, they know he'll help even if out of purely selfish reasons.
Then, when we get to Harbinger's betrayal, it's made clear that the destructo-beam that Harbinger is firing at the Monitor is similar to the entropic wave that seems to have no problem erasing all of reality. During the fight, Superman gets tagged by the beam, and when all the Paragons are transported to the vanishing point Superman goes with them, but Luthor gets dragged along as well. Superman is dying of anti-matter exposure at the Vanishing Point, and once he kicks the bucket everyone realizes that since Luthor is there they _still_ have seven people, meaning that this was somehow foreseen by galactic space prophecy and this was Luthor's role all along.
This way, Luthor is no longer an almost comically-harmful presence on the team (no more words with dead Supermen thanks to him) and instead gets to not only interact with the others, but actively contribute. It wouldn't be the first time Luthor teamed up with the -Justice- -League- -Super- -Friends- Fairness Pals to fight a mutual threat.
THE LAZY HACK APPROACH: The same thing as above, except Luthor just kind of hangs out in the ship doing a fat lot of nothing. He talks to some people as they pass through, but ultimately it comes down to the Monitor insisting (really, really vaguely) that he's important, and then it being revealed that he's important because Superman wasn't going to survive and they still need seven Paragons. Luthor isn't a detriment to the team's efforts, but his active presence is virtually nonexistent so it's really easy to film all his parts.
THE BATWOMAN WRITER APPROACH: Luthor gets brought in for vague Monitor-reasons, and he IMMEDIATELY starts fucking things up. Holy shit, he's murdering Supermen?! And his goal is to manually jump between dimensions and personally kill every single Superman?!? Not only is he willing to risk the entire multiverse doing this, but...he even thinks it's something he _can_ do? When he went to Smallville Earth, he actually had a little lipstick-sized piece of kryptonite. On the one where they ripped off the 'Death of Superman' comic panel, Superman was lying in a pile of rubble after looking like...well, like he had just fought Doomsday. What the hell did Luthor do to _that_ Superman? And all of this is apparently according to the Monitor's plan because...Luthor will, coincidentally, lead them to the specific Superman that will be the Paragon of Truth? What?
And then, as if all _that_ wasn't bad enough, he whips out the _Infinity_ _Sharpie_ , scribbles his name on a page from the Book of Destiny, and _fucking_ _erases_ _Superman_ and replaces him as the Paragon of Truth. Fucking _what_ ?! First off, since when was _that_ an option for determining Paragons? This is the same book that used cryptic bullshit to get Jake Wayne killed (and Luke Fox almost certainly 'killed while resisting arrest') so Batwoman could reveal that she was the Paragon of Courage the whole time? And that needed one really, _really_ specific Superman to be the Paragon of Truth? All you needed to do was write a guy's name down, and then he's the new Paragon of Whatever?
But that just makes it bad writing. No, BATWOMAN WRITING requires that it be a Paragon of Awfulness, to go above and beyond being merely bad to something that puts significant time and effort into being horrific when laziness would have produced significantly better and less insulting results.
Luthor was resurrected ostensibly to lead them to the Superman that would be the Paragon of Truth...but then he _killed_ _that_ _Superman_ _and_ _stole_ _his_ _Paragon_ _status_ . The Monitor let Luthor personally murder multiple Supermen in the name of finding this _one_ specific Superman...and then Luthor kills _him_ too! With one scribble of his stupid Infinity Sharpie, Luthor negated the one reason why the Monitor brought him back to life, and it's not like he has any reason to believe that scribbling his name over Superman's has made him the Paragon of Truth. For all he knows, all he did was kill Superman and doom the multiverse. He has proven to be _suicidally_ _evil_ , and yet the show will undoubtedly want us to think he's some kind of insidious mastermind that gets to smugly gloat at the other Paragons while his plot-armor prevents any kind of reprisal for his complete and total awfulness.
Forget Batwoman being a sociopath and valuing Kara's life over the lives of everyone that lived on 'Infinity-Minus-One' Earths, because at least Kate is just advocating that they be allowed to stay dead. Lex Luthor has repeatedly placed his own stupid murderboner for Superman ahead of the wellbeing of the entire multiverse, and when all this is over and everything gets reset the writers will somehow think that his presence was totally justified because he helped save the multiverse.
No, Writers-Responsible-For-This-Crime-Against-Storytelling. Lex Luthor is not going to get a one-seventh share of credit for saving the multiverse. He is, and always will be, the doucheturd that the multiverse was saved _in_ _spite_ of. I hope that one day you will improve your writing by _aspiring_ _to_ _laziness_ .
Agreed. Why would they even let him out of the cage they put him in after his Superman murder spree?
Please do one of these for the remaining episodes as well; these synopses are significantly more entertaining than the content in question, and will be, I have no doubt, absolutely necessary.
@@anthonyhiebert8491 Already on it, my dude. Got one posted for the next part, too. Turns out Jake Luthor was even more disappointing than I thought.
@@electricbayonet2 If he's really more disappointing than in episodes 2 and 3, I am impressed enough of your brain survived to write these. See you next episode, good sir.
Guys stop giving Batwoman a hard time. It takes courage to live in a City where you keep letting the biggest crooks and murderers run rampant.
The Quest for Fringy’s Internet Connection is a more entertaining, engaging and dramatic story than Crisis on Infinite Tisms.
Might we so "infinitely" so?
"Directional Velocity", Jesus Christ.
The whole point of the term 'velocity' is that direction is baked in; otherwise, it's just 'speed'. 'Directional velocity' is a REDUNDANCY. This is so dumb. I love it.
Come on, assuming someone in the production took high school-level physics is being a little generous
thinking... directional velocity... I was going to suggest that they were attempting to find a fancy way to say acceleration but even that farces up.
So glad I don't pay to watch this show... or even just watch this show.
The literal solution is walking BACKWARDS.
this is why i watch
But that's not common knowleedge to the lay person...>
if you say "Reverse the velocity" then.... what would they think?
Actually. I guess telling someone to "reverse the speed" would have the same result so I'm just dumb...!
So, that random woman at the start was from the old Birds of Prey show in the 90's. These cameos are wasted.
She looked rough too. Dat plastic surgery... plastic woman bad.
just wait for the next one
Even Burt Ward in the last one was too good for this shitshow
Also the voice on the radio was Oracle/Barbara Gordon from that show but you really wouldnt know.
The actress for Alice from Batwoman was on that show.
“What is happening?!” Is the definition for this entire crossover.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the plot of this series, courtesy of the Anti-Monitor:
“I shall destroy the infinite universes! To achieve this, I shall construct this machine that generates an anti-matter wave that slowly travels through the infinite universes and destroys them. To power this machine, I shall kidnap a Flash from a universe I already destroyed, and have him run a treadmill, thus powering my amazing machine! And in case he thinks he can stop running and prevent my master plan, the machine has a failsafe built in that will instantly delete every universe out there if he stops providing power to the machine! Mwhahahahahahaha!
Also, if he ever starts running backwards, it will stop the device because stop asking questions!”
This ... I can’t ... I just want to scream honestly.
This is why only talented writers should be allowed to work on television or movies.
Things which make sense, for lack of a better term, in a comic book, sound like a cabbage sodomizing a potato.
And even the best actors can only do so much with carrot level writing.
@@TheMaleRei the thing is: even if I read this in a comic book I would be screaming at the pages! This is ... this defies any sort of consistency and logic, and I'm a 40k fan, I've dealt with Chaos and with the "if enough of us believe it, it's true" Orks. And even those piles of reality warping writing make more sense than this level of stupidity.
YOU COULD EVEN SCREAM DISHONESTLY! 0_o
can we just appreciate that they say "directional velocity" despite the fact that one of the main facets of velocity is that it has a direction
@@TheMaleRei Thing is, I don't think this was used in a good comic book.
I cried when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan (I was 11). I'm laughing every time that antimatter stream launches and fries another Earth. Too bad one hasn't come at us! :)
A Aaaa
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Probably because there were characters who actually cared when Alderaan blew up.
@@CruelestChris Trudat. :)
Seven out of infinite earths left.... I-
the book of destiny is no match for a black sharpie
They talked for so long that Infinite got reduced to 7, before they actually started to get sh*t done.
Actually, yeah. That seems like Kate Kane’s idea of successful heroism.
You know the sadder thing guys? When Endgame happened, they actually explained the reasons why it needed to be done in a certain way. Cause the writers actually thought of the problems that come with time travel. This is what happens when you just don't care about how or why. Endgame was not perfect, but good lord this make that movie look like Shakespeare in comparison.
Yeah dude, this is like TLJ levels of shocking, where the writers didn't even bother establishing the most simple logic. I kinda can't believe it. So many things look so much better compared to this.
And it's a movie , wich have less time to explain stuff than a show.
Lol don’t use Endgame as an example. The writers and the directors both can’t seem to agree on how time travel works in their own movie.
@@w0undedmakers251 But it is the perfect example. All endgame had to do is explain enough to have the majority of the audience to be able to follow along and have an idea roughly what was going down. Yes there were contradictions, but overall for the purposes of the movie people got the jist. This show fails and contradicts itself so badly it causes you to notice and break out of your suspension of disbelief.
The point is at least in Endgame, they made an attempt, worked on it and for the most part it flowed. Crisis?!?!? The amount of no ducks given is staggering to the point, you have to wonder how these writers got a job at all, or manage to breathe properly.
Endgame was a poor movie
Oh for the love of...Oliver's version of Purgatory is the island that he was stranded on? An island that is called Lian Yu...which we're told flat-out and quite early in S1 of Arrow is _Mandarin_ _for_ _Purgatory_ ?
My first question was what unique combination of 'thinking the audience is stupid' and 'being stupid' on the part of the writers brought about this choice. My second question is how this shit gets translated to Chinese viewers. Like, in the Chinese translation of 'Arrow,' is the island just called 'Purgatory' in English? Is there a scene where the arc villain of the flashbacks tells Oliver in Chinese that the island's name is Purgatory, and that means Purgatory?
And now, does this mean that Oliver's personal purgatory is technically called Purgatory, Purgatory?
electricbayonet2 and here’s the best part: Purgatory isn’t even a punishment. It’s where your soul goes to be cleansed of temporal attachments before going to Heaven if you die in a state of grace. So the deal with Lucifer is pointless.
Movie Constantine understands the cosmology better than CW Constantine
@@davidvanvranken1595 So what you're saying is that he really really liked the island and he needed to get over it before he could go to heaven.
I think you're giving the writers too much credit by thinking this was a decision... I'm banking on they just flat out forgot about Lian Yu's translation because they are useless.
STOOOOOOOOOP! My brain can't take it!!!! 🥴
@SallinKari not necessarily liked. It’s not a great place to be, but it also isn’t a punishment
I’m disappointed that Dougray Scott wasn’t at the Vanishing Point with a laptop so that when they all showed up, he could slam it shut and say WHADUBRINGME
Seeing Lucifer in this is like seeing Revan in SW: ToR
He's way too good a character to be shoved in this garbage plot
True but he was the one true highlight of this entire dumpsterfire.
Its Constantine
Blah blah blah I don't care
I feel like that was him the entire time he was having to do this😂😂😂
I just don't get why they put this specific Lucifer in, when I'm sure there's another devil character in the DC universe already.
@@Antony-sb2uv I'm pretty sure they just put in that cameo to associate themselves with something good😂
antony yeah they have other devil characters heck Morgana or Merlin could’ve sent them to purgatory. Lucifer is nigh omnipotent he’s too OP to concern himself with the Crisis that’s why in the comics him and the angels are totally out of the loop and are just observing; plus Lucifer was granted to create his own universe outside of the DC Multiverse, but I’m not sure whether he destroyed it or left it to grow on its own during the infinite crisis timeline...this is in comics by the way.
So let me get this straight the only person the Monitor guy told any plan to was Lex Luthor so Lex would steal the book of destiny.... everyone else has to figure it out on their own ...
the writters wanted to not spoiled the whole show by having everyone know what to do cause drama or they try to and endgame that doctor strange that a one shot plan that only works if they don't know the plan
I believe in the old DC lore the reason "Earth is special" tvTrope is because an unusual amount of super powered beings have congregated to it. Where in other worlds/areas they have like one to ten powered beings unless they are from where Darkseid comes from.
Ok but marvel explains that same concept using the celestials as the reason superheroes and mutants exist in the first place. A celestial goes to the core of the planet and radiates a gene that gives some people powers. In dc..they just kinda congregate there for reasons
There's actually a story line about the Guardians of the Universe getting pissed off because they discover Earth is the center of cosmic significance and not Oa.
Because they can't ever get anything right.
14:45 Ah, yes: wasting precious time during a crisis to repaint your costume. Looks like Batwoman has been influencing this team more than we thought.
He repainted it before crisis.
I'm just pissed they couldn't even do Lex fkn Luthor any justice. The character pretty much is a badass by himself, assuming you have the faintest clue how to write a villain.
I blame the casting, there is absolutely no way in any universe are you gonna make Allan from Two and a Half Men into a menacing... anything. It's funny, the old animated superman had an excellent Lex, strong, smart, charismatic, and dark skinned, and yet lately they keep making him this pale ass wimp who's actor is only known for being a cringey, awkward nerd.
I'm surprised the Anti-monitor didn't say that the reason he was wiping out the universes was to "Make The Universe Great Again". It seems like a time these shows would try to implement some propaganda.
That was basically thanos' idea in endgame.
@@raam726 That was Parallax's plan in Zero Hour, so like everything, DC still did it first.
Ok not defending the show, but to explain something to Rags: People make deals with the Devil/get him to do things when one: It is within the interest of Satan to help out. Or two: You win out over him and bind him to the deal, so he has to carry it out. Now it is STILL up to the person who did the deal to be careful so the Adversary has no wiggle room to screw you over.
If Satan had the rep he will screw you over on EVERY deal, then almost everybody will avoid him in every instance. Being truly the Adversary means you have to be reliable enough to tempt people to think they can get over on you, then once the target gets that first hit, usually they keep coming back and will screw up. Some of the best stories around is the chess match between Satan and the Hero seeing can the good guy get the win before Head Archfiend can nail his soul.
TLDR: There is a reason the phrase "First hit is free" has meaning.
Lucifer is it's own show where this version of the devil isnt actually evil per say just has some serious daddy issues
@@xyphos6790 Gotcha. Just explaining in general why anybody would be temped to enter any deal with the Devil. Also how was Lucifer as a show? Was curious if it was worth watching.
@@dolomaticus1180 its really good mostly a cop drama with plenty of comedy and some decent character story.
Yeah, making a "deal with the Devil" will generally entail getting what you want. The Devil keeps his word. He just tries his best to fuck you over within the scope of his word.
@@Troll_vs. Thank you. I will check it out then.
I think the writers here understand the term "infinite" to the same extent that people on twitter understand the word "literally".
Funnily enough the word "infinite" in the title was never meant to be taken "literally."
There's a line that explains there were never infinite universes. But Crisis on 1,012 Earths isn't as catchy.
@@bad-people6510 I meant the millennitard malapropism misuse of "literally".
@@HungryForTastyFoodAndComicArt I knew what you meant. I was just providing context the video clips seemed to have missed. It clears up a lot of the confusion when you understand the distinction.
Shouldn't Lex Luthor be the Paragon of humanity? I'm not very familiar with DC, but isn't the entire reason he hates Superman because he's at like the peak of humanity but he's still nothing compared to Superman? Why not any other hero without powers? What exactly makes asian boy the Paragon? I missed it if it was explained
Corrupt Angel They never really explain what makes someone a paragon or what exactly these paragons do. In fact, the paragons never really do anything. It makes no sense.
@@dominicmason8687 lmao, so the main character of idiocracy is the ultimate paragon of humanity
They do something eventually sort of I think but what or why is a mystery not explained..... Or maybe it was just not well enough to care or remember?
Nothing is explained. "Paragons" are just the actors that needed the screen time. The titles are interchangeable.
Why would a corrupt evil greedy vindictive vainglorious murderer represent humanity..yea I know there’s a joke to be made there but seriously no
Do you need a magic Sharpie to rewrite destiny or any lying around would do?
Lex Luthor: The Quest for the Magic Sharpie
Looks like i have a good reason to uncork that bottle of cheap fruit wine.
May i ask where do your pfp and background come from? I need it for a friend.
@@the_neuron My profile picture is Edelgard von Hresvelg from Fire Emblem: Three Houses by knifewaifu and background is OC by Live For The Funk.
@@CompagnonDeMisere25 Thank you very much!
@@CompagnonDeMisere25 I mean my friend is thankful.
I said it on the last video but I cannot emphasize enough how pissed the green lanterns would be that Batwoman is the Paragon of Courage.
"...you mean THAT POOZER?!"
@@ramsey276 Oh yeah, the Green Lantern Corp would exist... where the hell are they?!
I saw in a previous video a question arose about who Jacob was calling during his trip out of town. The answer:
Jacob was calling Kate, which the show establishes by him calling her "kid" during the phone call. This is reinforced when Mouse/Jacob says that he's patching things up with Catherine and Kate asks how when he's been out of town (so she knows this). He covers by saying that he had breakfast that morning when he got back into town, and Kate appears to buy this.
So Alice and Mouse didn't do anything to stop Jacob from being able to call people when out of town. He just only happened to tell Kate and not anyone else. And Kate happened to not have any interactions during this time that would have brought this to light. Not only that, Mouse paid so little attention to covering this up that he slips up in the brief interaction he does have with Kate.
Why do things work out this way? It would appear just so that the plot can happen. On the other hand I suppose it makes Kate's deduction about Mouse not being Jacob slightly more believable?
I can accept that reasoning, and its better logic than 99% of Batwhaman.
Elongatedman V Paragon of Tisms : Infinite crisis on not-quite-so-infinite-Earth
Synopsis :
In this special effects extravaganza, Elongatedman stops the Anti-anti-anti-Monitor's evil plan of putting Whisperman on the Infinity Treadmill so he can size the Sharpie of Destiny for himself and rewrite the script.
At least I can understand this.
Well that's..... that's something.....
There is only one Lucifer/Presence/New Genesis/Heaven/Hell/Purgatory/Apocolyps shared across all DC universes.
And there's an infinite number of DC universes?
Does this means there is only one Darkseid as well?
@@ProxyDoug Yup only one across all DC multiverse, Imaginary Axis has good videos about DC cosmology and Darkseid lore.
Yes there are a few places “beyond space and time” in dc that aren’t affected by the number of realities. Depends though
22:30 *OH MY GOSH. How FAST is that earth spinning?*
"Destiny could use a little rewrite."
Me: So could this script.
Showrunners: Yeah, we wrote ourselves into a corner...
This is sad. CoIE when it came out handled and explained how and WHY these Universes could be destroyed and why even 'Infinite' could be taken out. Buuuut this is the CW, where the only Infinite thing is the writers stupidity.
Edit: HOLY SHIT!!! I thought you guys was joking in comments about the sharpie of destiny. WOOOOOW I am actually stunned they pulled that level of crap. That never happened in CoIE, not even close, just.... EURRRRRGH!!!! "Blue screens like Fringy"
Ikr? This is the first time I've watched an EFAP episode an felt so frustrated. The stupidity annoys me and I haven't even watched the bloody program.
It's y I dropped off all the shows of the DC shows...... I gave em all a couple more seasons after they started goin bad, but I couldn't fuckin take it anymore, FFS, if u think the writing is bad In the crossover, its worse in the actual shows
@@guardiankite690 MEEEP!!! I like to keep my brain somewhat intact.
Who are you?
MauLer. And I'm here to bear witness.
To what?
Tragedy.
Nah. This is definitely comedy
10:00 to be fair Lucifer is a pretty chill Devil
The crossovers basically work as a scheme to cheat viewer figures. It’s the same reason Captain Marvel managed to be so successful.
I like how Lex stood up between the group of heroes and held the page of destiny up towards the cameras instead of any of the other characters. Didn't seem weird at all
Killing "infinite" earths, just do what Owlman did in Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths and locate earth prime and destroy that universe. Although I think you would also have to travel back in time a bit to the point of where the first choice/action spawned the first alternate universe and blow up the bomb there.
Officer Buck Tuddrussel Funny thing is they do the exact thing that was owlman’s reason for destroying everything. They actually made it so that whatever decision you make, they’ll be another version of you that makes the opposite.
Apparently earth 1 is the prime universe because in season 2 of the flash the main villain tried destroying the multiverse and he said that earth-1 was like a hub for all the other multiverses. don't worry these writers forget nearly everything in their pre-established lore
@@MatTheW-mm5er So soyboy superman is superboy-prime in the Arrowverse?
The most momentous occasion in all of DC comic history and they disemboweled the death of Barry Allen. .....
You forget if im not mistaken wasnt super girl supposed to die as well or was that a separate event
"Infinite earths."
"Let's not use anything on any of them and isolate the story to a few people in a small area that nobody cares about."
"Great idea!"
Budget
I feel your pain, Fringy. Batman is my all-time favorite comic book hero as well. Hell, I went as Batman for Halloween 3 years in a row when I was little, so seeing this is just heartbreaking and gutwrenching.
To addresses Fringy, the meta purpose of the first crisis was to have one continuity. Authors and fans were having a hard time with them...it took them 2 events to undo this (both of which, incidentally, were much better stories)
Do you mean Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis?
For anyone wondering why there was a Lucifer cameo, the Lucifer show is based on a comic that is in the DC universe (whether canonically or not) therefore he technically exists in the DCU too.
Aw, Lucifer showing up has got to be the best part of this show. That show was actually pretty decent, yet got axed while this other garbage is still going.
the best cameo is in the next episode when Ezra Miller shows up
Are you sure it got axed? They released a new season on netflix and i heard season 5 is coming but its just rumor
@@Troll_vs. got axed from Network television, but luckilly it got picked up by netflix. I still can't watch it though since i don't have netflix.
I'll second that.
It makes me sad that Lucifer got roped into the lore of these abortive shows.
Lois Lanes weird gecko eyes freak me out.
That's speciesist.
Lois Lane is a Lizard person! The Conspiracy Theorists were right!
Imagine the Joker killing Batman and being like "yeah, I'm the paragon now!"
Book of Destiny...how are these series' such fucking drivel?
22:21 yes. There was a Flash tv show in 1990. Mark Hamill played a villain in it and made an appearance in the new one. Also, the actor playing old Flash also plays new Flash's dad.
27:24.. if the gravity was increased enough to ground Superman, it would have turned everyone else to dust..
Why don't they bring back all the supermans from purgatory???
Why isn't Satan helping with the crisis? Is he safe? Is Purgatory safe?
Why not make an army of Supermen, like they did in the comics?
@@bar-elch7809 luifer is 2nd strongest person in the multiverse just below GOD, so he would be immune to anti montier , plus its just a tongue in cheek cameo
@@MWMTEE I mean, considering his power and position, you'd think he'd have some vested interest in keeping people alive. Inserting him like that, regardless of intent, just brings up even more questions that could have been avoided.
@@cryw1092 its a cameo
Here's the thing about the who "infinite" thing. Their are infinite earth but that's only from the perspective of beings that are susceptible to time and space. The Anti-Monitor exists outside of the multiverse so he can destroy it. Imagine if the multiverse existed inside of an ever expanding ball filling with new universe's. Now imagine if a being that exists outside that ball crushed it down till it was nothing.
Also in DC comics Earth is the lynch pin of the entire multiverse.
The Specter is the vengeance of God. He's kind of like DC's Ghost Rider just more powerful. He can alter reality but only in acts of vengeance.
And the Paragon Bull*hit ?
@@properduction2586 I don't understand the question. Are you asking if they were a thing in the comic or something else?
@@MrSupertallblackman I think so. Where is all this Paragon stuff coming from?
@@johannesseyfried7933 Well in the comic there weren't "paragons" exactly. The Monitor had Harbinger gather a bunch of random characters from across the multiverse to help stop the multiverse collapse. They ultimately all pretty much fail and they eventually get the real superhero to help. I'm simplifying it a bit some of the "paragons" do play a major role in the story but it's a pretty pointless plot point.
Now if you're talking about the show I don't really have any idea. It's just jumbled mess of different things that kind of sort of happened in the book.
I was mistaken
I was under the impression that heroes were supposed to be willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good, it's a good think batwoman came along and taught me that your friends are more important than existence
Ruby Rose Tico over here...
"a trip to purgatory"
I was hoping they would get on a bus next and this all takes place in the C.S Lewis Cinematic Universe
All I want is for someone to edit 'another one bites the dust' every few seconds for all the universes that are being constantly destroyed.
The CW DC Universe died with Arrow season 3 episode 9 when Ra's al ghul put a sword through Oliver's chest and kicked him off a mountain. The league of assassins won the end. All the rest is a bad dream.
I like the way season 3 ends. It ends with him quitting and driving off into the sunset with a woman he loves. Perfect way to end the series. He retired and has kids in my headcanon.
Diana Prince after saying that he wouldnt fail the city by abandoning it. Then he fucking abandons it.
I like to think that too. That Oliver came back afterwards was dumb... then again the actor they chose for Ra's, or the whole repurposing of him as the heir instead of Batman... it was painful. I still watched until season 4 when Damien Darkh came and hammed his hamminess in our face, not to mention Felicity turning into a shrieking harpy who wants to possess her husband.
Swift Nimblefoot the whole magic thing ruined whatever semblence of realism the show had previously. A super soldier serum I can believe, but magic? Nope. Not in a series that started out like this one did. That just ruins everything for me. Most of season 3 wasn’t great either. Im glad they went back to form in season 5 but apparantly season 6 went back to them being stupid again. Dont know anything about season 7 or 8 but i wont waste my time with that. I actually used to like Felicity before they ruined her character. Laurel becoming the Canary was unnecessary, she’s a lawyer right? Keep her at that stuff and let her sister handle being the Canary because she has actual training. Diggle killing his brother and even the fact that he came back at all was complete BS. So much started out great in the first 2 seasons then it went straight down the toilet. It really could’ve been great but they butchered the series once again.
The Wanishing point was established before. In Legends of Tomorow. Destroyed as well. It was the base of the time masters or whatever they were named.
Oh my god, I watched all of these episodes via your reactions and I legitimately forgot all of it, and I remember the plot of Thor the dark world.
Shouldn't infinite Lex Luthors have appeared when he wrote his name in the book, because his sharpie written in name had no way of specifying which Lex Luthor?
And perhaps they didn't mean infinite in the literal sense... just that it's a really big number beyond count... And when it dwindled down, they were able to count it... Got real easy when it was just down to one....
I mean, they're the only ones left in the universe
Alex Melling But that is literally impossible if there are infinite universes.
SPOILER!...
They ain't gonna use words correctly (like infinite).
no because he was the only lex luthor you guys dont understand infinite
Eberhardt Schantz but even if you destroy infinite earths there will still be infinite amounts of earth still untouched.
You know I just watched the Addams Family 1 & 2 in between watching this video, comedy movies that are taken about as seriously as a fourth wall break and damn! The acting, I mean the damn acting man! It's like magic, not a single solitary moment did I sit there and think "these are just a bunch of actors saying lines" and then I listen to lines in this and its like pre-school vs artists! Such a sad, sad world we live in now with actors, movies and tv shows.
I just think its hilarious that Lucifer in his show saves more people than Batwoman
That reading rainbow into at @22:45 was just perfect.
"Infinite" is clearly hyperbolic. As in "there are so many more than you can count that they might as well be infinite." It's the only way the idea of destroying them all makes sense.
from the show itself we can still count the number of universe shown. Should have used the word multiverse instead of infinite
*What’d ya bring me?!*
The term directional velocity is funny because velocity is a vector and in order for something to be a vector is must have a magnitude AND a direction. Therefore, adding direction to the front of it means literally nothing.
*does a triple front flip into the meeting room and slams fist on the desk*
WHAT'CHA BRING ME!?!
The green eye guy I think was the Spectre (in the DC universe he is the Spirit of vengeance) so I think spectre possessed him or something
Nothing makes me squeal with delight more than seeing a new efap mini in my recommended. Please never stop doing efap reactions, you sre the best thing on UA-cam!
I love whoever edits these. How they play with the video frame with the zooms and tilting etc. Is hilarious
"Martian Maaaan" the rival of Ocean Man.
1:41 to be honest that's the quirk about DC's multiverse is that Earth *is* special, it is at the center of the entire multiverse, so if something happens to Earth, the repercussions are massive. Of course the reasoning behind that is that Earth Prime is our planet and so if something happened to *all* Earths, then there would be no source of the comics, hence why it is a bad thing. It's still arbitrary as hell, but that's why Earth being in danger is a threat on the scale it is.
Yet it's still exempt from cosmic affairs. Yeah, I know the Green Lantern Corps and New Genesis (why?) imposes neutrality, but considering all the times Earth gets caught up in cosmic affairs anyway, that neutrality pact is rendered null for all practical purposes.
I will never get tired of them ending the episode with Jacob Kane slamming his laptop closed and saying "WHAT'D YA BRING ME?"
24:21 He brings up a good point. There should be infinite amount of Flashes, Supermen, Wonder Women running around opening portals all over the place. It should be absolute fucking anarchy, because an infinite amount of superheroes are trying to stop the destruction.
In the comic Crisis Barry sacrifices himself to stop the Anti Monitor destroying the universe. Here he does nothing.
I like how you can just write your name in the book and become a paragon??? Then why go on a multi universal search for paragons?????
Lucifer is the only good thing from this special.
Rags' Ocean Man reference "Martian Man" made my day. Now I want the lyrics to it.
Thank you for doing this live. I am impressed with how you've found a way to make the treasure of your reactions to this infinitely more valuable, even if there are only 2 of infinite episodes left.
You know in Avengers Infinity War, how the Avengers and the Guardians and everyone get their asses handed to them by the bad guys and loose, but it is kind a tragic because they tried their hardest and made mostly rational choices and when they lost, it was treated with insane gravitas?
*lose
Day 99 update. Proof that terrible can circle back on itself and be enjoyable.
The "sharpie on the book of destiny" part is ... indescribable, is this supposed to be a comedy?!?!? WHO WROTE THIS?!?!?!
Fucking hell the Jim Corrigan bit fucking got me way harder that it's prolly supposed to
Why is Lex Luthor acting like Q from TNG?
Ironically enough Mauler, they used the same background tint for Supernaturals Purgatory for Crisis's. I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled that show in too.
How is it that a 50-year-old mangaka handled the idea of infinite versions of characters better than a bunch of "writers" adapting Crisis on Infinite Earths?
Yes, this is a JoJo reference. Just continue the thread.
@@grandarkfang_1482 You mean Eyes of Heaven? Ariki didn't write that.
@@Samm815 no, I meant D4C and Funny Valentine.
Jojo is too good to be referenced along with this shit of a tv show!!!!
@@sammydray5919 nah, JoJo can even be referenced to shit things. Because it does them better.
"elongated man bad" - Bilbe Bags
I was honestly surprised that when they went to Purgatory, the CW didn't try to squeeze a Supernatural cameo in after seeing Lucifer show up. I'd like to imagine they went to the Supernatural people and asked and Supernatural just responded with "we have more respect for ourselves than to show up in this shit."
Literally what does Lucifer have to do with Supernatural?
I like how they're talking about how the Old Flash couldn't be running as fast when in the show, Old Barry took some of CW's Barry's speed and was able to run as fast. Also, there's Jay Garrick who is old but can use the speedforce like Barry, Wally, Jesse and all the other speedsters.