At the end of the day, play whatever you enjoy (except rogue), they're all shaping up quite nicely (not rogue), so really you can't go wrong with any (not rogue) class.
I really appretiate that you do not rank the classes based on damage done, but rather share your insight. It is really refreshing and actually provides value. Thank you!
as a rogue main for many years, think its time for a change. The hero talents are so bland and so rng based(outlaw) doesn't excite me one bit. Switching to dk for a season to see how it feels.
Same dude. I love my rogue but the hero talents are crap so I'm going to try DK for a season. Even if Blizzard fixes the mechanical issues the rogue hero talents are just boring compared to the other options out there. Here's hoping they get reworked in the .1 patch :)
Go for niche. Retri is absolutely cliche. I feel if I put a 7 io kid to chose classes he will choose this. Plus WW has always been considered the funniest melee of the game
not sure dude, been watching some long time mains play feral on beta and they are clappin.. both m plus and raid. I dont like mentioning other youtubers or streams on others chan but forsure check out some vids on them.
As a main ret, im enforced to deny any information given in this audiovisual piece. We are no good, we are doomed, we are 100% into the lower bracket in ST, AoE, raid, mythics, PvP, gold farming, transmog farming, farms farming and fishing. I encourage any Blizzard employee, as well as any World of Warcraft, Warcraft company, Activision and asociateds, to turn a deaf ear to the information providen in this video about ret paladins, and keep the actual plan of buff us even more. Any help that our dearest TWW developers would give to our crumbling spec, will be rewarded with 7 years of good luck to them. This comment is not writted by any AI.
When it comes to meta, for me, its always a case of if my class is in the meta, cool, if not, whatever so long as Im having fun or get to look good. I still like to see what is in style every now and then, but Im not going to play a class I hate just to do 3% more damage on a parse for content Im barely, if ever, gonna play.
@@CreatorOfWrath Well, guess you can be happy, the Stormbringer build doesnt even use primordial wave anymore, or any fire ability for that matter, its just CL spam, Tempest, and... click what goes shiny
I believe i'm set with my warband as far as classes go: - plate: blood/unholy DK (i'm considering pally though) - mail: ele/resto shaman (main) - leather - assassination rogue - cloth - warlock (mostly becouse of the raid set) I need to make up my mind what race-class combo i will go with.
Geared up a few melee alts to farm transmog bullion and found that my fury warrior was absolutely so much fun! I considered moving it up to my main melee. I’ve been main ret paly for my melee for years.
I was really leaning on frost or unholy DK. But now I see all this videos moving it down on recommendations.. now I’m unsure playing it over my Warrior or something else.
Ret Pally and both DK specs are going to be strong, but everyone is going to be playing them. So finding a raid spot is going to be hard. Meanwhile WW Monk and (believe it or not) Enhance Shammy are both looking quite good. Enhance is probably the dark horse at the start of TWW, but getting Feral Lunge baseline really helps you stick on targets now.
I’ll be sticking with Ret, I’ve had a lot of fun on beta - loving the changes / theme they’ve implemented. I’m not a hardcore raider or high key pusher so Ret is perfect.
I'll main hunter/survival spec for the 14th year in a row. Will alt a mage for the first time ever so I can still play some ranged. Very excited for this xpac!
Please branch out and try other classes and specs in the game, there's so much more than just hunter, you may find something else you love that's refreshing to use
@@m_rod9562 Destro actually has many buttons in its current iterration on beta you're using not only Chaos Bolt, but also Soulfire, Incin, Immol, Demonfire, Portal charges, Conflag, that's already 7 buttons at minimum in your rotation, include cd's and Cata etc and it's more - Destro definitely has some more brainpower to it now, it's not Hunter
Meta for mythic plus is and kinda always will be the same, mage, aug, and something to go with that comp, lock/shadow priest/ boomy, it will never change. The synergies are just too strong for melee to compete. Though a solid melee stack that synergies together Deffs have a place. Though ideally need to play in a group for this to work well and push decently high.
arms warrior is absolutely tragic. a spec with infinite potential design wise yet it's just boring 2 button spam in all content casino crits with no utility
I'm the kind of player who dont play only one class. This Addon, Elemental Shaman, MM Hunter, Retri Paladin and Evoker. With everyone i do a 3k+ Rio in M+, get the Elite PVP Armor and with my Shaman i get the Gladiator achivement and mount every season.... So after that hard time i talk with my Group that i play only 1 or 2 classes next addon... But know.... Fire Mage Looks amazing. WW Monk was my main in Shadowlands and know looks so much fun. Hunter rework is godlike and Survival Hunter looks giga fun to, Elemental Shaman looks like again like season 2 in df a more skill specc that i love to... But dont forget the Devastation and Preservation Evoker... And the crazy comeback from the tripple S++++++ DMG Holy Paladin... What should i do guys and girls? WHAT????? I need Help........
Im either playing surv or frost dk. i can't main a healer as I might be moving across the country soon so dont want to play a pivotal class during progression
Im going in blindly with Guardian Druid. But i want a earthen.... so if they dont give earthen druid then im def gonna swap to after i get the earthen to play a enhancement shaman. I know no one likes them in endgame, but i wanna play one, so ...
I will stay with my rogue or unholy. Sub is go to for me now 😀 hope for some cool changes, but i will play it anyway because i dont like plate transmogs 😀
I really am considering WW Monk. My only issue is that EVERY EXPAC it starts super strong and then quickly taking a nose dive due to not scaling well with gear... ANY indications that it'll be different this expac?
2h enhanced thematically sounds way cool plus in the lore all the cool shamans were using 2h. Need to lean into enhance actually enhancing your weapons and stuff.
@@RealAndyOriginal survival is also my alt but I gave up on it week before big changes announcement so now I have to take it back because now it's good🤣
Mage would be better, ngl, there are always 1 mage spec that is broken and you bring intel buff & a bloodlust. I also read a lot that melee will have a hard time in dungeons this season
although i like your content, i have to disagree, why would we need to have any classes "moderately geared" to be ready to main a class/spec? every new expansion, and really all new content in general comes with new item levels. we need absolutely no old gear to be prepared for new content, period.
I dont understand the hype about Meta class. I Play Shadow as a main since years and never had problems finding a group Even when Shadow was Not as Good as other classes. Why is it so hyped to Play a Meta ? When you suck you suck Even when you Play Meta. Learn your class and you will be fine
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At the end of the day, play whatever you enjoy (except rogue), they're all shaping up quite nicely (not rogue), so really you can't go wrong with any (not rogue) class.
Okay, than rogue it will ne 😂
Hahahahah
And havoc too
@@Corboe to be fair you will do decent damage unlike rogue, but you won't enjoy a single second of it. 🥲
Yeah play whatever you like and if it happens to be something non meta you will not be invited to groups to do the highest level content…
I’m playing Rogue for the same reason I played Paladin in vanilla. The armor looks cool as shit.
Same but with paladin
@@jfkwkfk8867 i know you’re not referring to the tier set armor 🤣😂
@@m_rod9562 Paladin armor looks pretty good. idk why ppl are hating on it xD
The tier set is awful
I will pray for you
Easy choice, DK. Blood, UH, and Frost are all looking sick af. I had so much fun on the beta testing them.
How is the unholy ramp in TWW? It is horrid currently, to be pushing trillion GCDs before starting to dps
@@Shiva-zn4nz better, but still has some ramp.
I really appretiate that you do not rank the classes based on damage done, but rather share your insight. It is really refreshing and actually provides value. Thank you!
as a rogue main for many years, think its time for a change. The hero talents are so bland and so rng based(outlaw) doesn't excite me one bit.
Switching to dk for a season to see how it feels.
Warrior is looking sick too.
Same dude. I love my rogue but the hero talents are crap so I'm going to try DK for a season. Even if Blizzard fixes the mechanical issues the rogue hero talents are just boring compared to the other options out there. Here's hoping they get reworked in the .1 patch :)
Can't decide between Ret and WW, both look amazing and they have awesome hero talents. Tough choice!
Go for niche. Retri is absolutely cliche. I feel if I put a 7 io kid to chose classes he will choose this. Plus WW has always been considered the funniest melee of the game
I hear that, I'm stuck on Ret and DK.
Hard choice man, both are really good!
@@MarcelianOnline Oh got my solution! Go Ret then mid-season go DK! WIN!
@thexan3rd466 This is my dilemma too!
I really wish the Druid Feral was at least decent. :(
honestly i watched this video to know if I should make one.
not sure dude, been watching some long time mains play feral on beta and they are clappin.. both m plus and raid. I dont like mentioning other youtubers or streams on others chan but forsure check out some vids on them.
Feral is like Old Paladin trash .... for so long ... need a rework.
Always Holy Pally for me. We get the most abuse from the nerf bats - but every time i venture to a new class somehow i still come back to Hpal.
i cant get enough from these wow class comparison videos :D
Glad you like em man! It was a blast for us to make xD
As a main ret, im enforced to deny any information given in this audiovisual piece. We are no good, we are doomed, we are 100% into the lower bracket in ST, AoE, raid, mythics, PvP, gold farming, transmog farming, farms farming and fishing. I encourage any Blizzard employee, as well as any World of Warcraft, Warcraft company, Activision and asociateds, to turn a deaf ear to the information providen in this video about ret paladins, and keep the actual plan of buff us even more. Any help that our dearest TWW developers would give to our crumbling spec, will be rewarded with 7 years of good luck to them. This comment is not writted by any AI.
I hope this is sarcasm?
Been maining Ret since late BC. Glad to see it might not ve a laughing stock going into an expansion.
When it comes to meta, for me, its always a case of if my class is in the meta, cool, if not, whatever so long as Im having fun or get to look good. I still like to see what is in style every now and then, but Im not going to play a class I hate just to do 3% more damage on a parse for content Im barely, if ever, gonna play.
For me that 3% isn't the issue, it's the rotations! Some rotations are far more pleasant to play than others.
@@hiddenflowerto That is a factor as well, I just lumped it in with being fun. Nothing sucks more than a rotation that feels horrible to do.
always been a warrior main and that won't change. will probably be a fury one trick since arms feels like ass tho
Fury is in saison 4 dragonflight trash and arms is BIS right now. I don't know about the war within tho
@@milarepa9503 Fury is better than arms in TWW currently
Super excited for windwalker and frost dk!
Enha has been my main for 20 years and I see no reason to change :D
Good man, Enhance is really cool!
This is the man every woman want. 😆
Has anyone tried enhance in the beta? I really don't want to play around primordial wave again >.< I love the storm builds.
@@CreatorOfWrath Well, guess you can be happy, the Stormbringer build doesnt even use primordial wave anymore, or any fire ability for that matter, its just CL spam, Tempest, and... click what goes shiny
Please change. Less competition for me.
I believe i'm set with my warband as far as classes go:
- plate: blood/unholy DK (i'm considering pally though)
- mail: ele/resto shaman (main)
- leather - assassination rogue
- cloth - warlock (mostly becouse of the raid set)
I need to make up my mind what race-class combo i will go with.
Geared up a few melee alts to farm transmog bullion and found that my fury warrior was absolutely so much fun! I considered moving it up to my main melee. I’ve been main ret paly for my melee for years.
I main mistweaver but I’m also doing WW! Can’t wait!
Am I the only one who loves the fatebound coin mechanic? Got me leveling my rogue who’s been benched since BfA.
I was really leaning on frost or unholy DK. But now I see all this videos moving it down on recommendations.. now I’m unsure playing it over my Warrior or something else.
I have mained an Unholy DK since Wrath and that isn't going to change in the next expansion.
Ret Pally and both DK specs are going to be strong, but everyone is going to be playing them. So finding a raid spot is going to be hard. Meanwhile WW Monk and (believe it or not) Enhance Shammy are both looking quite good. Enhance is probably the dark horse at the start of TWW, but getting Feral Lunge baseline really helps you stick on targets now.
Sick vid! Is the easy to hard tier list coming today as well? Thanks for all the information and insight as always!
Everytime I see a new video notification from @marcelianOnline I hope thats the one that dropped. A few more days I guess.
I’ll be sticking with Ret, I’ve had a lot of fun on beta - loving the changes / theme they’ve implemented. I’m not a hardcore raider or high key pusher so Ret is perfect.
I'll main hunter/survival spec for the 14th year in a row. Will alt a mage for the first time ever so I can still play some ranged. Very excited for this xpac!
Oooohhh, Survival hunter for 14 years, wow, well, you gonna enjoy this expac :P
Please branch out and try other classes and specs in the game, there's so much more than just hunter, you may find something else you love that's refreshing to use
Great video! Really hoping Rogue gets some love!
We hope so too!
What a Hunt in that clip! I also have to say, the more I see of the WW content, the more I'm intrigued!
Melee wise I’m leaning towards windwalker for the first time ever. But I got some strong contenders for ranged
Dwarf within stars tomorrow, yay!
Thank you for the recomendations :)
If they don't change some of the dungeon mechanics, the correct answer is none of them.
Sure would be nice if ranged got to be challenged for once.
Interesting, I felt better as a melee in the dungeons than ranged, let's see how things shape up!
Thinking mage or hunter is the only ranged playstyle smh, Lock, Shaman and Shadow still feel slow, Ret, Monk, and DK are really good right now :shrug:
@@Teladoshow hard can pressing 1 button be? 😂🤣
@@m_rod9562 Destro actually has many buttons in its current iterration on beta you're using not only Chaos Bolt, but also Soulfire, Incin, Immol, Demonfire, Portal charges, Conflag, that's already 7 buttons at minimum in your rotation, include cd's and Cata etc and it's more - Destro definitely has some more brainpower to it now, it's not Hunter
@@Archaelyon destro is arguably almost as easy as hunter it’s the most basic playstyle in the game
Meta for mythic plus is and kinda always will be the same, mage, aug, and something to go with that comp, lock/shadow priest/ boomy, it will never change. The synergies are just too strong for melee to compete. Though a solid melee stack that synergies together Deffs have a place. Though ideally need to play in a group for this to work well and push decently high.
arms warrior is absolutely tragic. a spec with infinite potential design wise yet it's just boring 2 button spam in all content casino crits with no utility
I am Daniel and I love your show thank you for making it
Ret should be on the range dps tier list :D coz after rework we rets are semi ranged dpses xD
since the rework ret is my new favorite class but with the rework for unholy i guess i will have to play both and see what i will main in the end
Where can I find that screen split? 3:35 I love how cleanly that separates the two views.
I'll be maining my monk like I did through DF but will also a enhance 2nd main lol
I'm the kind of player who dont play only one class. This Addon, Elemental Shaman, MM Hunter, Retri Paladin and Evoker. With everyone i do a 3k+ Rio in M+, get the Elite PVP Armor and with my Shaman i get the Gladiator achivement and mount every season....
So after that hard time i talk with my Group that i play only 1 or 2 classes next addon... But know.... Fire Mage Looks amazing. WW Monk was my main in Shadowlands and know looks so much fun. Hunter rework is godlike and Survival Hunter looks giga fun to, Elemental Shaman looks like again like season 2 in df a more skill specc that i love to...
But dont forget the Devastation and Preservation Evoker... And the crazy comeback from the tripple S++++++ DMG Holy Paladin...
What should i do guys and girls? WHAT????? I need Help........
Stuck between my 5 main specs, enhanc, elemental, windwalker, survival, havoc.
I made a survival in mop remix for shits and giggles and honestly it’s all I want to play when I log in now. So fun!
Ret Is my main for 2007 😊 and started lock for my alt
DK and Monk for my melee dps
Still going for the arms bleed warrior love it tomutch
Really wanna play outlaw it just feels like poop next season
Hasn't been the same for us either
Cool video! Do this for ranged too pls
If not for Momentum, I would main a DH ... just gonna play my Warrior.
Facts bro
Great video!
DH Fel hero talent tree does tank level damage it's like 40% behind Reaver
Im either playing surv or frost dk. i can't main a healer as I might be moving across the country soon so dont want to play a pivotal class during progression
Can’t decide between warlock and DK
Easy, are you a ranged or melee guy?
@@SonOfTheImam both. That’s what makes the decision hard.
@@table2187 you always lean towards one more than the other.
And why not play both? You can alt one easy! Don’t restrict yourself brother 💪🏼
@@SonOfTheImam unfortunately only time for 1 character these days :/. Prolly go lock but tanking m+ is always a nice change of pace.
Frost and unholy looking real good. I love lock but only destro or aff so if those aren't good I'd go dk.
Omg you know the french movie " Taxi " :D
Im going in blindly with Guardian Druid. But i want a earthen.... so if they dont give earthen druid then im def gonna swap to after i get the earthen to play a enhancement shaman. I know no one likes them in endgame, but i wanna play one, so ...
At least shamans got their own raid buff now
@@_Kroaken_ yeah but is that enough for the community to accept them? This community can be very picky
I will always play rogue, they have the bench ready for me.
Somebody gotta do it!
what sword transmog are you using on the monk?
I will stay with my rogue or unholy. Sub is go to for me now 😀 hope for some cool changes, but i will play it anyway because i dont like plate transmogs 😀
I really am considering WW Monk. My only issue is that EVERY EXPAC it starts super strong and then quickly taking a nose dive due to not scaling well with gear... ANY indications that it'll be different this expac?
They moved a chunk of the scaling to a Haste stat which now is not useless so it could fix scaling problems.
I want ot play survival, but its hero talents are too passive, and feels like I will get bored on the long run :(
currently i am playing some cata classic...that SV back then was so nice, how could they remove such a awesome playstyle?
What do you think of the lack of visual changes for abilities as a havoc dh?
Can’t decide between Unholy DK or Arcane Mage
same:D
Easy, you like to play ranged more or melee?
Should be easy.
But in the end you could play both, why not :)
Unholy has been good forever and if arcane goes downhill tuning wise fire or frost will be busted.
I will be Elemental or Enhancement Shaman main.
Will try Survival Hunter
Blizard will make them good now right? :D
Oh no, all my favorite melee specs are here today. . .
I will be the first player to multibox my warband.
Whose tank for open world/dung/delve you recommend ??
Survival for sure 👍🏻
Will you be doing a healing one?
Short answer DK😂
Long answer monk because game design❤
i still dont understand why they wont bring back 2h Ehancement shaman in the totemic hero talents or something
They did take 2 expansions to make 2h Frost DK work, Enhance MIGHT be able to work, but who knows
2h enhanced thematically sounds way cool plus in the lore all the cool shamans were using 2h. Need to lean into enhance actually enhancing your weapons and stuff.
Ok, i still playn dh.
Retribution, arms, havoc, survival
Don't play havoc it's not fun ans difficult same with rogue
Rogue on the bench for me. Ww monk main and then survival for fun alt!!
@@RealAndyOriginal survival is also my alt but I gave up on it week before big changes announcement so now I have to take it back because now it's good🤣
How good Is enhance compare to other melee ? Or Fury war
ARMS ONLY ARMS!!!!
True warriors play ARMS!
Get out of my face with that goofy ass wapping around 2x2handers like in a cartoon.
@@lnz3257 Lol WoW is cartoony and Arms feels like shit in TWW
meta jumping is kind of stupid just play the class thats the most fun for you all classes are viable for all content in the game
Cnt decide between ret pala and frostfire mage!
Mage would be better, ngl, there are always 1 mage spec that is broken and you bring intel buff & a bloodlust.
I also read a lot that melee will have a hard time in dungeons this season
@2:35 you pronounced Niche as "Neek", but it is "Neesh" or "Nitch" in terms of annunciation. Not being a jerk, just helping the Bros.
although i like your content, i have to disagree, why would we need to have any classes "moderately geared" to be ready to main a class/spec? every new expansion, and really all new content in general comes with new item levels. we need absolutely no old gear to be prepared for new content, period.
I dont think you understood what he said
What happend with surv hunter? :))
Rogue for many years, but this time it does not exite me. Looks boring af..
Going retri along with everyone else. Pink is the color of TWW.
Who cares about metas that will change. PLay what you enjoy..... its a game not a job.
But i enjoy playing the meta
SV for the win!!!!
RiP warrior 2024
I dont understand the hype about Meta class. I Play Shadow as a main since years and never had problems finding a group Even when Shadow was Not as Good as other classes. Why is it so hyped to Play a Meta ? When you suck you suck Even when you Play Meta. Learn your class and you will be fine
As always warrior
Retri paladin is not mele class its ranged
:)))) Mid range with 20 yards :P
@@MarcelianOnline Somebody was smart when he was designing the class
dk are nuts on beta
The deeps are real, also gonna get nerfed, or rest of specs buffed
what will you main though ?
Oh don't worry, we will have a video on it :P
I play every class......😂
Life can be simpler that way :P
Hello!
You explained "Proper" Meta setup very well :) I have many alts I level all at the same time.
Hop on it ASAP :D
What's good?
@@MarcelianOnline You getting me pumped at coming back to WoW with your videos
Ez pick for me. Assa / Sub rogue, baby!
🎉
Too many ret palas atm so gringe
TOO MANY RETS B O T S generic
They making Hunter melee in the worst think they've ever done.
fuck the meta...
Cant wait for you to make this same exact video next week and again the week after and then finally when TWW releases 😂😂
1st
Legend!
Boring mindless pala and dh :(
Making the exact same video every 5 days.......getting old fast.
How is this video the exact same as ANY other video on our channel?
Not everyone feels the same way brotha. So much content on the internet it's okay.
@@MarcelianOnlineI like these
meta chaseing is dumb too ;p