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Saiyans whom are gentle in nature, naturally have more S cells and it is easier for them to achieve the form. This is probably why goku was the only one to do it (the first, the innovator and the only one living to show the rest the path), succeeding the legend that appears only once every thousand years. Vegeta is not gentle, not even close, especially at this point in time. As such it would have took a lot to get him to change. I don't think an unknown saiyan is enough to drive him. Goku was his rival and he lives rent free in his head. Most of all he was considered a lower class warrior and was stronger than him initially. The shock here, and jealousy is more meaningful.
@@kaorinsz yeah plot. The creator writes what they write. These characters don’t have their own motivations, or their own mind. They cannot think for themselves. They are implanted and fabricated by the creator. You don’t need to think deeply on it. Things happen just because it’s so and nothing more. All the S cell and pure hearted inconsistencies are retcons that always takes place in a work of fiction. Nothing special, and just narrative plot.
>heart medicine As if he would need it. Tanked in both timelines even in close proximity to the body (touched in the main timeline). His son was breathed all over by the dude shortly before he came down with this glorified flu. Chi-Chi tanked it in the original timeline. And Gohan. I'm not trying to hear it.
Even though it's anime filler, I think a better point for Vegeta to go to Yardrat would be when Dr. Briefs built him the spaceship so he could train on other planets, considering he already heard about Yardrat from Goku it wouldn't be crazy to assume he'd go there, and with 3 years to do so instead of Goku's 1 and canon Vegeta's 2 months, the results would be crazyyy
Not sure if u missed it, but in that filler vegeta goes looking for goku with that spaceship. And I mentioned that this time when he goes looking, he doesnt stop, and after failing with the spaceship he uses the dragon balls. So what ur saying is exactly when vegeta wen to yardrat in this what if. I just dont see him staying there for 3+ years
Taking into account the fact than Goku and Vegeta defeated Cold and Frieza in base (what mean than they are around 50 times stronger than they canon versions) Vegeta would be capabble to defeat the androids
not necessarily. Trunks stopped frieza and cold with ease, but goku was able to block all his attacks with a single finger in super saiyan while trunks was trying his hardest. We dont actually know if goku originally would have been enough to stop cold and frieza without going super saiyan so cant exactly make that claim. + i still think the androids are stronger cuz they trained for 3 years originally and then still had to train in the time chamber.
@@SaiyanMotion Actually both of them Trunks and Goku weren't serious during they "fight", canonically they have an similar power level and used only a fraction of they powers and even if Trunks negged Frieza and Cold that is because they don't have the time to use all they powers (what don't would change too much but still was impossible for Trunks and Goku base defeat them) and your last argument doesn't make sense because this versions did the same (with the exception of the time chamber traning, but the traning in yadrat would be enough)
@@benjaminbebans4974 goku did the training on yardrat originally.. same training vegeta did in terms of spirit control, pybara confirmed this in the moro arc. Only vegeta just learned a different technque. That training must have been significant enough to where vegeta felt so much stronger in the moro arc, and goku received that same training over a year instead of the two months vegeta did.. so I think he coulda done it
>only lost to 18 from stamina issues >made significantly more powerful here >meant to pretend there is a case where the dolls aren't broken Yeah, sure. >androids He beat those plainly. Cyborgs? They job with a Yardrat trained Vegeta (as implausible as it would be he would be offered it or seek it **his canon self would NEVER**). >Vegeta did more with less in Moro arc I recall. Gokek has a serious skill issue. Still not a 'make your own moves' guy. Vegeta invented GG, which is just a better KMHM. Did it as a boy with no teachers or training (versus being 300+, having multiple 'martial art god' instructors and spending 50 years on it **like Roshi**). >x50 This meme.... >a different technique The master level. Not the mid. Not the low tier (IT). The last one he did in 5m (not even Frieza time) on his second try (first time detecting trash and mistaking it for his vassal's ki **AT was a funny guy though the implication of wrong warping is a questionable one**). >still had to use RoSaT That just sped things up (and not using it earlier was fully on 'our hero' for being massively dumb **as usual** like when he doesn't mention Penguin Village at any point ever). A different approach would be needed to manage a foe at your level with boundless stamina. Take them out fast as with a ki disc. They don't sense ki (though they also cannot be sensed). Honorable fighting is a mistake. They are goofy enough to know all about things like Solar Flare, but still take it in the face. Mind you, Geets lacks this. Heat still ignores PL. He had a fire ball attack (bizarre stuff), but the author likes making random things up and quietly forgetting them (as with Dirty Fireworks not having travel time and appearing even inside a target as an origin point **just put a small burst in the brain to do a bit of damage and suddenly they are dead without even going after all their grey matter**). Toribot won't write that way. Not in his nature. Zenkai had to go. Oozaru? Made to go. KK? Gone, as well. SS allowed to stay, but there is funny business with it.
8:26 Vegeta should actually beat her here as multiple times piccolo stated Vegeta was equal to 18 but 18 was winning due to tiring him out.Piccolo states that 18 was wearing him out,Trunks says Vegeta is holding his own,17 complements Vegeta multiple times in his fight against 18,With this Vegeta being FAR stronger he should win
If you clocked the amount of time they were talking ( in normal speeds while just standing there ) you would get way more than just 5 minutes. Plus many moments in the fight they stand there or attack slow as hell
yes but that would only be true if they didnt talk for those 5 minutes. They spend a lot more time talking and unless they talk at the speed of light... 5 minutes was wrong
6:59 I think you mean Spirit Control? Spirit Control is like, the next step of Ki Control, which is what raises their base power levels so dramatically
@@azohoangi69 Fat Buu (after split) < Evil Buu < Fat Buu (before split) < Kid Buu < Super Buu < Super Buu (Piccolo) < Buutenks < Buuhan At least, that’s how I see it.
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One key mistake Forced spirit fision doesnt drain energy for other people Moro got weaker because vegeta was taking the energy moro had take from others he was not taking the power of moro himself
The power Moro takes from people becomes his own power that is literally taking energy from Moro He also takes energy from the z fighters to give to Goku
I mean, Gohan didnt need FSF to take the androids out of Cell in the first place, so i supose Vegeta could of done it also if he was stronger than Cell, but FSF could take away the energy of the people Po
@@vali4634 1.-no Vegeta was releasing stolen energy and giving it back to the owners You literally see that 2.-the Z fighters willingly give their ki that is something You are able to do since forever
I think the 5 minute thing was supposed to be because they fight at faster than light speed, like when we see a fight that lasts say 15 minutes, it actually took place in 15 seconds. But yes, the dialogue alone came to over 5 minutes 😅 but it didn't actually take as long as it seemed watching, if you speed the fighting up a million fold
Nice, finally a what if about the world where my favorite techniques lie, all the techniques on yardrat are my favorites, another great what if means another good day has come.
Whaddya mean ‘Gohan finally shows some spine’ lol? The kid attacked Vegeta when they were wished back to Earth and not to mention attacking Frieza multiple times, even in his Final Form lol.
I would love to see what if after everyone knows teleported from planet namek to Earth Vegeta and Gohan went Super Saiyan. After thinking Goku died. And 17 and 18 survive and so does the good buu. And Piccolo revives King Piccolo without any of his evil and merged with him after the kid Buu defeat. And yes this did technically happen in a dragon ball game call dragon Ball supersonic warriors. And apparently Piccolo after fusing with King Piccolo what's stronger than Super Buu but not stronger than his absorptions. And yes the cell game still happen.
I would love to see what if the Z Fighters like Piccolo and the humans went to yardrat after Goku. Some kind of ability to allow krillin to actually Target with Destructo disc. The growing and drinking ability to and healing for Piccolo The shadow clone for Tien Spirit fusion for yamcha And maybe instant transmission for Chiaotzu There could be other techniques that they could have learned but I can't remember the other
Vegeta likely wouldn't go Majin, having Goku around for 7 years and training with him would make him a lot more non chalant about fighting Goku with the Majin Charm. Vegeta only took it because he saw that Goku's training in the afterlife was so effective and he wouldn't have another chance to beat Goku.
I get that for sake of plot the events need to play out but if forced spirit fission boosts base power it means the ssj vegeta that fights 18 is significantly stronger than the original one therefore either he beats her in a 1 v 1 or the androids have to help her by teaming against him if hes significantly stronger she shouldnt beat him in a 1 v 1
Great video but i do think Vegeta with being far stronger in base form enough to even land a hit on frieza should be strong enough to defeat the androids. According to disenshu vegeta would need to be at least half as strong as frieza to be able to react to him. That means not including mecha friezas power up, fission powered vegeta would need to be at least at 60 mill. That means without grade 2 his ssj power would be 3 billion. By the cell saga no one could stand a chance at beating him except maybe ssj2 Gohan. That's the issue with giving a base form a strong power up, and if Vegeta were any weaker Frieza could one tap him and be done with it so 60 mill is a minimum estimate.
I believe Shin and Kibito would have elected to have Vegeta drained of energy, as he took out Cell. Not sure how that would've played out, and I feel like you thought about that, though. It's tough to say how the buu saga would've went.
@@BrianAwesome well spirit control doesnt work on androids. Thats why moro couldnt take their energy. I also said that in the video. It works on cell cuz he's a bio android, but not on them.
@@KDawg92801 it was crap. They can’t talk at the speed of light even if they can move at it. They talked for more than 5 minutes hence frieza lied. I made a short on this actually and there’s a video abt it too somewhere on film theory
@@SaiyanMotion they were massively past the speed of light even characters in dragon ball had light speed. And it's fiction it's very likely their perception of time slowed down
Paragus: "Bardock, save my son!" Bardock: "Okay." *tosses Broly in the pod with Kakarot and launches them into space* Paragus: "Why did you do that?!" Bardock: "You said to save your son?" Paragus: "I meant help me fight King Vegeta!" Bardock: "We've got bigger problems than that." Paragus and King Vegeta: "Wait, what?" Bardock: *points at Freeza as he's about to blow up Planet Vegeta*
@SaiyanMotion It's a definite answer cause Krillin or Goku would feel bad for the Androids and Bring them Back Especially Krillin since He loved 18 and was Sympathetic to the Androids since they had their lives Stolen By Dr Gero
@@isuckatusernames4297 cuz buu can get weaker through absorption, like when buutenks turned into buucolo, ssj3 goku was confident he could beat him. Fat buu was daikaioh absorbed which made buu weaker.
@marhan1332 yeah, cause at that point "normal buu" was just the good parts left after super buu got split. plus it was already shown earlier in the arc that this version of buu, was weaker when the split happened.
You are so forgot that pan would never be born. Because you made it well it was impossible for Gohan to be with Vidal. Because he only knew about the z Fighters because of the cell games.
5:34 No, he can only drain fused or absorbed energy. 5:37 That was when they themselves give him the energy. His training would allow him to manipulate given ki into a small energy ball.
Fun Facts About Myself: Orion [Universe 7] 1. I Was Raised On Planet Yardrat 2. I've Completely Mastered All Of The Yardratian's Techniques From Instant Transmission, Healing, Cloning, Gigantification, Forced Spirit Fission, And Most Importantly Spirit Control.
@SaiyanMotion you do realize it's slowed down for us to keep up. Yes they can't talk at super speed, pretty obvious to even grade schoolers, it's also an anime with anime logic and therefore fictional my dude believe what you want to
@SaiyanMotion take the ToP pretty obvious the whole are happens over 48 minutes since it was clearly referenced multiple times yet has over 5 hrs of screentime, you gonna call that crap too? 👀
@@davidhannum9017 no because all the fights and conversations are happening at the same time... thats why the 5 minute thing is crap and top is not. Goku and Frieza are the only ones talking. Sound doesnt travel faster than a certain speed... anime logic or not. They use real logic in the tournament of power so why wouldnt it apply on namek?
Actually i think that spirit fission would actually defeat Jiren, Vegeta stated Jiren wasnt that much stronger he just masterfully saved his energy and stayed relaxed so spirit fission would drain Jiren and he would lose the edge
I see where your coming from but then again, if jiren notices his energy being drained he could js go all out and knock vegeta out. It’s not like an indefinite fight. Plus without ultra instinct I js think there’s no hope. Goku could use spirit fission having UI and I’m sure that would work
Kid Buu is not stronger then Fat Buu (Kid Buu still in him), he may be stronger than Fat Buu without Kid Buu, but he is definitely not stronger then Fat Buu with Kid Buu still in him. He just has no filter going max power full chaos and destruction at all times.
@@InternetsDadGaming you have a misunderstanding of what kid buu is. Fat buu doesn’t have “kid buu in him.” Kid buu is buu with 0 absorptions. So when vegeta and goku take out fat buu from inside buuhan they also take out the absorptions that were inside fat buu making him weak (the grand supreme Kai and south Kai). Thereby bringing buu back to his pure state of kid buu. Which is much stronger.
why not have piccoloasborebd the univere 6 and univere 7 namekasin since they can be always fissioned out removed out thanks yo the draogn balsl any set adn forced spiurit fission hmmm
those absorptions werent even for kid buu tho. Kid buu is a pure version of buu no absorptions. Why would power from absorption go into kid buu when he only became his original form after all those absorbed left him.
@@SaiyanMotion that’s my point, actually--Maybe I worded my comment poorly. Kid Buu is the baseline, FAT buu has the additional absorption power increases. Kid Buu isn’t more powerful, he is simply FARR more dangerous due to his unpredictable and chaotic nature
@@giovannijohnson7249 if that were true than goku wouldnt be getting mauled by him. Goku says he couldve beat fat buu in ssj3, but he physically isnt strong enough to beat kid buu when hes trying to kill him.
@@SaiyanMotion I think that can be pretty safely chopped up to anime-only inconsistencies given the fact that Goku was fighting against KB single-handedly in SSJ3 while exhausted, and even makes mention that Vegeta probably could’ve taken him on himself. He also says in the anime that he could’ve taken out fat buu in his ssj3 state at full power, but he wanted to give the kids and Vegeta a chance. All this on top of the fact that Super Buu required fusion to take out it makes it pretty clear with the narrative intent is.
@@SaiyanMotion in terms of power: super buu>fat buu>kid buu, in terms of threat level: kid buu(quite literally chaos-incarnate, chain kamikazing the universe)>super buu> fat buu
This basically saying what if Vegeta wasn't so arrogant and used his head
well.... maybe not
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Impossible, especially at this point in the series. He still had a bit of mean streak in him at this point.
I'm surprised Vegeta didn't just go Super Saiyan right when he saw Trunk do it out of pure anger and jealousy lol
Saiyans whom are gentle in nature, naturally have more S cells and it is easier for them to achieve the form. This is probably why goku was the only one to do it (the first, the innovator and the only one living to show the rest the path), succeeding the legend that appears only once every thousand years. Vegeta is not gentle, not even close, especially at this point in time. As such it would have took a lot to get him to change. I don't think an unknown saiyan is enough to drive him. Goku was his rival and he lives rent free in his head. Most of all he was considered a lower class warrior and was stronger than him initially. The shock here, and jealousy is more meaningful.
@@christopherdsuza7531 no it happened because plot
@Crucial_4orce so you read all of that and just said plot??😭😭😭
@@kaorinsz yeah plot. The creator writes what they write. These characters don’t have their own motivations, or their own mind. They cannot think for themselves. They are implanted and fabricated by the creator. You don’t need to think deeply on it. Things happen just because it’s so and nothing more. All the S cell and pure hearted inconsistencies are retcons that always takes place in a work of fiction. Nothing special, and just narrative plot.
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>heart medicine
As if he would need it. Tanked in both timelines even in close proximity to the body (touched in the main timeline). His son was breathed all over by the dude shortly before he came down with this glorified flu. Chi-Chi tanked it in the original timeline. And Gohan. I'm not trying to hear it.
Even though it's anime filler, I think a better point for Vegeta to go to Yardrat would be when Dr. Briefs built him the spaceship so he could train on other planets, considering he already heard about Yardrat from Goku it wouldn't be crazy to assume he'd go there, and with 3 years to do so instead of Goku's 1 and canon Vegeta's 2 months, the results would be crazyyy
Not sure if u missed it, but in that filler vegeta goes looking for goku with that spaceship. And I mentioned that this time when he goes looking, he doesnt stop, and after failing with the spaceship he uses the dragon balls. So what ur saying is exactly when vegeta wen to yardrat in this what if. I just dont see him staying there for 3+ years
@SaiyanMotion yk what, yeah that makes sense, big up bro 🙏
Taking into account the fact than Goku and Vegeta defeated Cold and Frieza in base (what mean than they are around 50 times stronger than they canon versions) Vegeta would be capabble to defeat the androids
not necessarily. Trunks stopped frieza and cold with ease, but goku was able to block all his attacks with a single finger in super saiyan while trunks was trying his hardest. We dont actually know if goku originally would have been enough to stop cold and frieza without going super saiyan so cant exactly make that claim.
+ i still think the androids are stronger cuz they trained for 3 years originally and then still had to train in the time chamber.
@@SaiyanMotion Actually both of them Trunks and Goku weren't serious during they "fight", canonically they have an similar power level and used only a fraction of they powers and even if Trunks negged Frieza and Cold that is because they don't have the time to use all they powers (what don't would change too much but still was impossible for Trunks and Goku base defeat them) and your last argument doesn't make sense because this versions did the same (with the exception of the time chamber traning, but the traning in yadrat would be enough)
@@benjaminbebans4974 goku did the training on yardrat originally.. same training vegeta did in terms of spirit control, pybara confirmed this in the moro arc. Only vegeta just learned a different technque. That training must have been significant enough to where vegeta felt so much stronger in the moro arc, and goku received that same training over a year instead of the two months vegeta did.. so I think he coulda done it
>only lost to 18 from stamina issues
>made significantly more powerful here
>meant to pretend there is a case where the dolls aren't broken
Yeah, sure.
>androids
He beat those plainly. Cyborgs? They job with a Yardrat trained Vegeta (as implausible as it would be he would be offered it or seek it **his canon self would NEVER**).
>Vegeta did more with less in Moro arc
I recall. Gokek has a serious skill issue. Still not a 'make your own moves' guy. Vegeta invented GG, which is just a better KMHM. Did it as a boy with no teachers or training (versus being 300+, having multiple 'martial art god' instructors and spending 50 years on it **like Roshi**).
>x50
This meme....
>a different technique
The master level. Not the mid. Not the low tier (IT). The last one he did in 5m (not even Frieza time) on his second try (first time detecting trash and mistaking it for his vassal's ki **AT was a funny guy though the implication of wrong warping is a questionable one**).
>still had to use RoSaT
That just sped things up (and not using it earlier was fully on 'our hero' for being massively dumb **as usual** like when he doesn't mention Penguin Village at any point ever). A different approach would be needed to manage a foe at your level with boundless stamina. Take them out fast as with a ki disc. They don't sense ki (though they also cannot be sensed). Honorable fighting is a mistake. They are goofy enough to know all about things like Solar Flare, but still take it in the face.
Mind you, Geets lacks this. Heat still ignores PL. He had a fire ball attack (bizarre stuff), but the author likes making random things up and quietly forgetting them (as with Dirty Fireworks not having travel time and appearing even inside a target as an origin point **just put a small burst in the brain to do a bit of damage and suddenly they are dead without even going after all their grey matter**). Toribot won't write that way. Not in his nature. Zenkai had to go. Oozaru? Made to go. KK? Gone, as well. SS allowed to stay, but there is funny business with it.
I find it funny that any pre-cell saga «what if» leads to Krillin not having a girlfriend for rest of his life.
beautiful, now here's an idea:
what if bulma was a saiyan??
She’s no a fighter and is a inventor so it wouldn’t matter
She’d probably be WAAAAAAAAAYYY smarter than usual, since saiyans develop much faster than humans. Who knows
8:26 Vegeta should actually beat her here as multiple times piccolo stated Vegeta was equal to 18 but 18 was winning due to tiring him out.Piccolo states that 18 was wearing him out,Trunks says Vegeta is holding his own,17 complements Vegeta multiple times in his fight against 18,With this Vegeta being FAR stronger he should win
18 was a bit stronger
@ shown they were equal and via statements made by 17,piccolo,and trunks also support this
0:36 tbh their beings fighting at speeds billions of times faster than light soo
If you clocked the amount of time they were talking ( in normal speeds while just standing there ) you would get way more than just 5 minutes. Plus many moments in the fight they stand there or attack slow as hell
@@DewayneDuncan-ig4dy what💀
@@D1_hater. Sorry, my heads a little clouded. Some parts of the fight Goku stood still.
@@DewayneDuncan-ig4dy even if most of z and super fights are slowed down for us viewers to see little that one scene in super heroes
yes but that would only be true if they didnt talk for those 5 minutes. They spend a lot more time talking and unless they talk at the speed of light... 5 minutes was wrong
6:59 I think you mean Spirit Control? Spirit Control is like, the next step of Ki Control, which is what raises their base power levels so dramatically
yea thats what I meant.
When Vegeta turned Majin Buu into Kid Buu, a much stronger version, I just bursted out laughing
Nah, vegeta just made them fight a weaker but crazier buu lol
@PapaPootOs No bro kid buu is way stronger than fat buu but weaker than buutenks and piccolo buu
@@azohoangi69
Fat Buu (after split) < Evil Buu < Fat Buu (before split) < Kid Buu < Super Buu < Super Buu (Piccolo) < Buutenks < Buuhan
At least, that’s how I see it.
@@DaSheepKiller Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu
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One key mistake
Forced spirit fision doesnt drain energy for other people
Moro got weaker because vegeta was taking the energy moro had take from others he was not taking the power of moro himself
The power Moro takes from people becomes his own power that is literally taking energy from Moro
He also takes energy from the z fighters to give to Goku
I mean, Gohan didnt need FSF to take the androids out of Cell in the first place, so i supose Vegeta could of done it also if he was stronger than Cell, but FSF could take away the energy of the people Po
@@vali4634 1.-no Vegeta was releasing stolen energy and giving it back to the owners You literally see that
2.-the Z fighters willingly give their ki that is something You are able to do since forever
When is what if gohan was homophobic
Wiiiild
@@SaiyanMotion do it i know you won’t
@@Wooper_Gaming50 damn right
it wouldnt change anything anyway lmao
@@SaiyanMotion ginyu force bro
Ok now i want to see ssj yardrat vegeta vs ssj grade 4 goku
in the vid!
What if Goku Landed at the Krane School? (There's no head bump on Goku by default)
I think the 5 minute thing was supposed to be because they fight at faster than light speed, like when we see a fight that lasts say 15 minutes, it actually took place in 15 seconds. But yes, the dialogue alone came to over 5 minutes 😅 but it didn't actually take as long as it seemed watching, if you speed the fighting up a million fold
Nice, finally a what if about the world where my favorite techniques lie, all the techniques on yardrat are my favorites, another great what if means another good day has come.
The training is worthless. The writers won’t let him win.
Whaddya mean ‘Gohan finally shows some spine’ lol?
The kid attacked Vegeta when they were wished back to Earth and not to mention attacking Frieza multiple times, even in his Final Form lol.
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5 minute thing wasn't crap considering that frieza vs trunks was 5 seconds long according to super hero movie
I would love to see what if after everyone knows teleported from planet namek to Earth Vegeta and Gohan went Super Saiyan.
After thinking Goku died.
And 17 and 18 survive and so does the good buu.
And Piccolo revives King Piccolo without any of his evil and merged with him after the kid Buu defeat.
And yes this did technically happen in a dragon ball game call dragon Ball supersonic warriors.
And apparently Piccolo after fusing with King Piccolo what's stronger than Super Buu but not stronger than his absorptions.
And yes the cell game still happen.
I do wonder if forced spirit fission can even be used by a fused being, or if trying to use it would destabilize them as much as the intended target
I would love to see what if the Z Fighters like Piccolo and the humans went to yardrat after Goku.
Some kind of ability to allow krillin to actually Target with Destructo disc.
The growing and drinking ability to and healing for Piccolo
The shadow clone for Tien
Spirit fusion for yamcha
And maybe instant transmission for Chiaotzu
There could be other techniques that they could have learned but I can't remember the other
Vegeta likely wouldn't go Majin, having Goku around for 7 years and training with him would make him a lot more non chalant about fighting Goku with the Majin Charm. Vegeta only took it because he saw that Goku's training in the afterlife was so effective and he wouldn't have another chance to beat Goku.
I get that for sake of plot the events need to play out but if forced spirit fission boosts base power it means the ssj vegeta that fights 18 is significantly stronger than the original one therefore either he beats her in a 1 v 1 or the androids have to help her by teaming against him if hes significantly stronger she shouldnt beat him in a 1 v 1
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"Intense training sessions"
Did he just rhyme right here 11:15
Great video but i do think Vegeta with being far stronger in base form enough to even land a hit on frieza should be strong enough to defeat the androids. According to disenshu vegeta would need to be at least half as strong as frieza to be able to react to him. That means not including mecha friezas power up, fission powered vegeta would need to be at least at 60 mill. That means without grade 2 his ssj power would be 3 billion. By the cell saga no one could stand a chance at beating him except maybe ssj2 Gohan. That's the issue with giving a base form a strong power up, and if Vegeta were any weaker Frieza could one tap him and be done with it so 60 mill is a minimum estimate.
Yep
And you never even used the clones
I believe Shin and Kibito would have elected to have Vegeta drained of energy, as he took out Cell. Not sure how that would've played out, and I feel like you thought about that, though. It's tough to say how the buu saga would've went.
@Saiyan Motion, How do the Future Z Fighters still lose, even with Instant Transmission Vegeta ??
I dont believe Vegeta would run from the battle. And there are two androids, so while vegeta is busy with one, the others get mauled by the rest.
@@SaiyanMotion very good point. And F. Vegeta's Spirit control isn't advanced enough, to where he can siphon a lot from the Cyborgs.
@@BrianAwesome well spirit control doesnt work on androids. Thats why moro couldnt take their energy. I also said that in the video. It works on cell cuz he's a bio android, but not on them.
What if Yadrat found Goku on Vegeta? 😳
The five minute thing wasn’t crap. We were seeing the fight at the same speed as Goku and freiza. That’s why it took so many episodes.
@@KDawg92801 it was crap. They can’t talk at the speed of light even if they can move at it. They talked for more than 5 minutes hence frieza lied. I made a short on this actually and there’s a video abt it too somewhere on film theory
@@SaiyanMotion they were massively past the speed of light even characters in dragon ball had light speed. And it's fiction it's very likely their perception of time slowed down
I like this version
I'm sure they'd bring back 17 and 18, kami sensed they were good. I really like where this went
it was really just krillin, and honestly I could see it going that way too, its just the way I went with it.
What if Broly and Goku were both sent to Earth
Paragus: "Bardock, save my son!"
Bardock: "Okay." *tosses Broly in the pod with Kakarot and launches them into space*
Paragus: "Why did you do that?!"
Bardock: "You said to save your son?"
Paragus: "I meant help me fight King Vegeta!"
Bardock: "We've got bigger problems than that."
Paragus and King Vegeta: "Wait, what?"
Bardock: *points at Freeza as he's about to blow up Planet Vegeta*
The 5 minuites was wrong but it wasnt a lie intentionality freiza probably just misjudged the time
What if Yardrat found Goku on Vegeta
Vegeta: I want I want to be super sayian
I wanna!
I wanna!
I wanna!
I wanna!
He removes the androids from Cell.
@@nomore6258 Yep
Watched the video and boy did I call it. I liked that though, it was the logical conclusion.
What if broly was raised by the yardratians or what if broly was raised by the galactic patrol
Wouldn't Android 17 and Android 18 be wished back By Krillin or Goku by the Dragon Balls
its def a possibility, I just went another route
@SaiyanMotion It's a definite answer cause Krillin or Goku would feel bad for the Androids and Bring them Back Especially Krillin since He loved 18 and was Sympathetic to the Androids since they had their lives Stolen By Dr Gero
What was the counter to Vegeta’s technique?
Buu shouldn’t have been revived due to how weak Gohan should be
Haha I knew it
Yes and no Vegeta does have bit stronger ssj2 transformation than Gohan.
11:58 kid buu = fat buu in strength, bro
he DEF does not.
why ? it's buu but with no one absorbed AND without the efficiency of his super buu form.
@@isuckatusernames4297 cuz buu can get weaker through absorption, like when buutenks turned into buucolo, ssj3 goku was confident he could beat him. Fat buu was daikaioh absorbed which made buu weaker.
@@isuckatusernames4297you remember how kid buu was kicking the shit out of fat buu pretty easily right
@marhan1332 yeah, cause at that point "normal buu" was just the good parts left after super buu got split.
plus it was already shown earlier in the arc that this version of buu, was weaker when the split happened.
You are so forgot that pan would never be born.
Because you made it well it was impossible for Gohan to be with Vidal.
Because he only knew about the z Fighters because of the cell games.
5:34 No, he can only drain fused or absorbed energy.
5:37 That was when they themselves give him the energy. His training would allow him to manipulate given ki into a small energy ball.
Moot not Mute
Fun Facts About Myself: Orion [Universe 7]
1. I Was Raised On Planet Yardrat
2. I've Completely Mastered All Of The Yardratian's Techniques From Instant Transmission, Healing, Cloning, Gigantification, Forced Spirit Fission, And Most Importantly Spirit Control.
The five minutes wasn't crap.
@@davidhannum9017 they can’t talk at super speed and they talked more than 5 minutes 😪
@SaiyanMotion you do realize it's slowed down for us to keep up. Yes they can't talk at super speed, pretty obvious to even grade schoolers, it's also an anime with anime logic and therefore fictional my dude believe what you want to
@SaiyanMotion take the ToP pretty obvious the whole are happens over 48 minutes since it was clearly referenced multiple times yet has over 5 hrs of screentime, you gonna call that crap too? 👀
@@davidhannum9017 no because all the fights and conversations are happening at the same time... thats why the 5 minute thing is crap and top is not. Goku and Frieza are the only ones talking. Sound doesnt travel faster than a certain speed... anime logic or not. They use real logic in the tournament of power so why wouldnt it apply on namek?
Actually i think that spirit fission would actually defeat Jiren, Vegeta stated Jiren wasnt that much stronger he just masterfully saved his energy and stayed relaxed so spirit fission would drain Jiren and he would lose the edge
I see where your coming from but then again, if jiren notices his energy being drained he could js go all out and knock vegeta out. It’s not like an indefinite fight. Plus without ultra instinct I js think there’s no hope. Goku could use spirit fission having UI and I’m sure that would work
@@SaiyanMotion also he would separate Anilaza and A18 would stay on the field aswell as he would drain every fighters energy he defeats
Nah that was just some nonsense from Vegeta
Forced Spirit Fission just splits ki apart. It doesn't drain ki. So it only really works on fused beings or absorptions.
Kid Buu is not stronger then Fat Buu (Kid Buu still in him), he may be stronger than Fat Buu without Kid Buu, but he is definitely not stronger then Fat Buu with Kid Buu still in him. He just has no filter going max power full chaos and destruction at all times.
@@InternetsDadGaming you have a misunderstanding of what kid buu is. Fat buu doesn’t have “kid buu in him.” Kid buu is buu with 0 absorptions. So when vegeta and goku take out fat buu from inside buuhan they also take out the absorptions that were inside fat buu making him weak (the grand supreme Kai and south Kai). Thereby bringing buu back to his pure state of kid buu. Which is much stronger.
Love this
why not have piccoloasborebd the univere 6 and univere 7 namekasin since they can be always fissioned out removed out thanks yo the draogn balsl any set adn forced spiurit fission hmmm
Why do you believe kid buu is stronger than fat buu when he literally gains flat multipliers from absorptions?
those absorptions werent even for kid buu tho. Kid buu is a pure version of buu no absorptions. Why would power from absorption go into kid buu when he only became his original form after all those absorbed left him.
@@SaiyanMotion that’s my point, actually--Maybe I worded my comment poorly. Kid Buu is the baseline, FAT buu has the additional absorption power increases. Kid Buu isn’t more powerful, he is simply FARR more dangerous due to his unpredictable and chaotic nature
@@giovannijohnson7249 if that were true than goku wouldnt be getting mauled by him. Goku says he couldve beat fat buu in ssj3, but he physically isnt strong enough to beat kid buu when hes trying to kill him.
@@SaiyanMotion I think that can be pretty safely chopped up to anime-only inconsistencies given the fact that Goku was fighting against KB single-handedly in SSJ3 while exhausted, and even makes mention that Vegeta probably could’ve taken him on himself. He also says in the anime that he could’ve taken out fat buu in his ssj3 state at full power, but he wanted to give the kids and Vegeta a chance. All this on top of the fact that Super Buu required fusion to take out it makes it pretty clear with the narrative intent is.
@@SaiyanMotion in terms of power: super buu>fat buu>kid buu,
in terms of threat level: kid buu(quite literally chaos-incarnate, chain kamikazing the universe)>super buu> fat buu
what if chi chi or bulma were gay lol🤣🤣🤣
Then saiyan gohan or trunks would not exist
Counter to vegetas technique😂 what counter
if he knows forced spirit fission... how can forced spirit fission work on him? It would cancel each other out basically....
Finally
End vegeta send on earth
Good video.
It was 5 minutes
they cant talk at super speed even if they can fight at it buddy. Goku and Frieza talked way more than 5 minutes.
And don't just make kamiyoung other old people also what if holiest the only male and had started an harem hmmmm
do unibeleivabel stiuff hardern to beleive stuff unimagianbale stuff hmmm