biggest problem is that writers are afraid to make both female leads do anything bad or unlikable . War started not because Alicent was power hungry, but because of misunderstanding . Rhaenyra didn't want to assassinate the innocent kid, she did not want to send Rhaenys to battle, she had to volunteer , bot of them are trying to avoid the war that man have started in their name... somehow .
@@DiomedesDioscuro You mean psuedo-feminism, change of plot and lore, poor writing and terrible pacing. I wish they followed the book and add mushroom to add some spice. It would've been so entertaining.
It’s terrible. Watching people try to defend this season is also hilarious. Such a slap In the face to not only book readers but casual audiences. Bad writing doesn’t care if you read the book or not.
They try to defend it by saying you have no media literacy and a tiktok attention span. Even when the criticism shows media literacy and attention to detail. Its pure comedy
@@FriendlyBatDoom that's literally how the show runner explains why every single bad deed is removed from the blacks, and every single good deed is removed from the greens
22:50 EXACTLY . People talk like game of thrones didn't happen . We all saw nothing of the things the prince was supposed to do was actually done . Arya is the one who did one of them . Arya , who has nothing to do with anything
Regarding Aemond and not helping the small folk, I think it’s important to also realize that just because he has studied so much and trained so hard, does not necessarily mean he has the chops to be king. He might think he’s better suited than Aegon, because of pride or actual merit, but I personally think it’s interesting if he’s faking into pitfalls that his brother might not have. Whilst Aegon is more mindful of the small folk, he is less experienced in actual battle and war. Aemond may be the opposite to that, and this is why the Greens need both Aemond and Aegon. TL;DR: Just because someone thinks they’re more suited doesn’t necessarily mean they are.
But you still need to _SHOW_ that It _would_ be interesting if Aemond was really inept and had a giant blind spot but his pride and ego didn't allow him to see that. It would be a nice juxtaposition if Aegon was the opposite and they were yin and yang. The problem is your head cannon isn't actually in the show. What we saw is Aegon means well but is inept and unqualified while Aemond only values Otto's opinion and is a good strategist.
But aren't they? They show him pushing away all his allies, family, and councilors because of his pride, ego, and rage. His councilors don't want to tell him important info because they're scared he'll shoot the mesangers which makes it possible for Rhaenyra to recruit three new dragonriders without his knowledge (two of which are from his city). He alienates is family by burning Aegon and kicking Alicent off the council which turns Alicent against him, Haleana won't help him and starts to mess with his mind, Aegon flees from him, and even Criston is scared of him which completely isolates him. They show him being competent, decisive, and strategic but they also show that his anger and inferiority complex are getting in the way of being an effective leader and ruler. @michaelahurt
@@GrinMonister But what are the consequences? He was _too_ successful and forced Rhaenyra's hand to turn to dragonseeds? Now maybe pissing off Alicent will come back to bite him, Aegon fleeing will hurt him, maybe making a deal with the Triarchy won't work ... maybe it _will_ be that his ego led him astray But as of now, Aemond is in a worse position because Rhaenyra got 3 new dragon riders and Daemon decided to not be king, not because of his own decisions, anger or inferiority complex
@@michaelahurt those are the consequences. He was too harsh to his councilors and to the king's guard which made his councilors too scared to tell him information he needed to know to keep Rhaenyra from getting two more dragonriders. He dismissed Alicent causing her to view him as a lost cause and turn against him and let Rhaenyra take the city once he leaves. He burned Aegon and hurt Helaena and now Aegon has fled, the greens have lost a dragon, and Helaena is messing with his head. He locked the city gates causing the smallfolk to riot. These are all consequences of his decisions that stem from his anger and inferiority complex.
It just felt that Rhaenyra didn’t understand what predicament she was in after Rooks rest. Aemond could have flown to Drgaonstone and taken down Syrax, Moondancer and Vermax relatively easily. She needed the dragon seeds, not for the throne, but to protect her life!!!!!!!!
People defending the show are really embarrassing because it's like they forgot how bad S8 was. HOTD needed to be nothing less than excellent in order to be worth our time. But these kinds of writing problems are unacceptable, now this is simply a case of "fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me"
The season, hell, every episode had great moments. But the pacing… absolutely terrible. Despite good acting & cinematography, it didn’t matter. The writing really dropped the ball. ESPECIALLY in the finally. One of the worst finales I’ve seen. Very underwhelming & disappointing.
I liked the harrenhal scenes with Daemon. I personally think the bad writing was the Rhaenyra and Alicent scenes….. because why would they still want peace? The show runners definitely need to make sure that the seasons are 10 episodes and they need better writers
20:19 Not sure that I agree. I think Daemon was changed before he saw the last vision. Actually he only got to see that last vision because he changed. I think we know this because he says to Alys Rivers that he once would not take her seriously, but now he has an appreciation for the magic (something to that effect).
In truth the prince that was promised was dropped as a plot point. It is not relevant once the long night really happens nor in any disucssion afterwards. Not even Arya was the ptwp because it is dropped as a plot point and thus discussing it in hotd has no relevancy. No one talked about what the prince was or was supposed to be in thrones after stannis, and thus it never played a role in the end of the long night. Trying to choose someone to be it in hotd makes no sense because in the end, it didnt matter, it wasn't even a relevant plot point outside of discussions amongst fans, and thats only because we discussed with with pre existing book knowledge. They cant fix Game of Thrones dropping that plot by making it relevant in this show, it doesnt work that way. In the canon they are following, the PTWP is just a myth that amounted to nothing when the real threat came. No one was Azor Ahai because it was almost completely dropped and so we know none of this prophecy talk amounts to anything. (But both GoT and HoTD can pry from my cold dead hands the fact that Jon is the prince that was promised in my head, they will never change my mind on that no matter how GoT ended or how much HoTd is now pushing Dany)
I don’t agree with your Aemond take. I think it makes a lot of sense that Aemond wouldn’t care about the small folk. Aegon was the King That Cared. They both, in a sense ,understood what it was like to be ignored, to feel small. Aegon was a figurehead, and Aemond grew up without a dragon. But after aegon becomes king and is treated how he is, I can only guess, but he feels a connection to the small folk. Overlooked and ignored. But Aemond? His insecurities caused him to lean into his Valyrian supremacy. With the largest dragon in the world, that only exacerbates the situation. He’s IS the most formidable power IN THE WORLD. So when Rhaenyra gives dragons to the bastards, his position and sense of self, much like Jace’s, is completely threatened. So him burning sharp point made sense to me- as much as I wished to see it- and Jace threatening to have Ulf hanged for his disrespect makes sense to me.
Sidenote: the Alicent’s theme song should’ve been the main theme song… it’s sad but in a beautiful way. I’m disappointed this show could’ve been phenomenal like superb
Honestly they could've worked with 8 episodes. Was it underwhelming? Yes but It's not even the lack of action and dragon battles that got me turned off this season, It's the awful brain dead writing, monotonous storytelling and character assassinations. I rewatched season 1 of GOT last week and god damn I could watch them just talking all day. There was tension and conflict. It goes to show that a multimillion dollar budget and all the cgi in the world cant replace good writing & storytelling. HOTD, season 2 specifically, is just filled with shameless cameos, marvel-esque fan service, and nonsensical plot lines that veered too far from the book.
They love stating the BLOODY OBVIOUS... this is CIVIL WAR why minimize it to the point.. the characters are saying it is pointless and I am looking at their weakness and indecisive thinking and the minimizing of death and war alike... and adding prophecy is super dumb...daemon didnt need to commit war crimes and he and jace wasn't a cry baby. And you're right I feel like the time skips in season 1 confuses the show especially when season 2 is contradicting alicent gave her power away to her daughter when she married her king and son and she called haelena "MY QUEEN" they destroyed the characters from fire and blood when they made them their own adding insecurites and things that arent there at all in the books and not only just because they arent adapting the books but because the show doesnt make sense in the middle of war.. and the story itself isn't impactful especially when you minimize death and honestly the characters could have these small emotions during season 1 when they first became to the realization of their respective realities I mean these feelings are crazy to have in the middle of war... it weakens things in my opinion....
It wasn’t even a good lecture on gender politics. They completely took away agency and personal ambition from all the female characters. Women in hotd are apparently not allowed to be greedy, power hungry, angry, vengeful, hurt, grieving, etc. By trying so hard to make all the women “good” they erased what makes them human. Which is literally sexist. Why can’t Rhaenyra want the throne simply because it’s her birthright? Why does she need a prophecy to “excuse” her inevitable violence?
I’ll tell you why Aemond doesn’t give a shit about the small folk. Because in his ego he thinks they aren’t even a threat. He has Vhagar, he believes she and him are invincible, and it’s pure hubris, likely his downfall (have not read the books) He’s also a probably a psychopath or narcissist, operating out of shame, trying to prove himself, telling himself he doesn’t care what others think. Was teased, bullied, and had a traumatic injury as a child. All these things converge into this cold indifferent monster, who only truly cares about himself. He dismisses the small folk because he is a god and they are mere ants under his feet. A god does not concern himself with ants.
He wasn’t a lame anime villain in the first season, he’s been demoted to evil edgelord for some reason this season, he chose not to kill aegon, and didn’t want to kill his cousin in the first season, but now he is an arrogant murderous prick (the edgelord was supposed to be Daemon)
They are not talking about the prince that was promised they were talking about aegons prophecy a song of ice and fire never once did anyone say there’s “a prince that was promised”. The vision was to show damn he needs to back rheanyra so HIS lineage could prevail which leads to denarys , who is not the prince that was promised anyways .
"from my blood come the prince that was promised and his will be the song of ice and fire" that's literally what the prophecy on aegons dagger says in the show. So when they are discussing the prophecy of the song of ice and fire, the prince part is literally half of the entire thing. We the audience know this even if characters in the show don't and it's just a very misleading way the visions were framed.
Great video but i'm surprised episode 9 is your favorite. That episode has so many writing errors that it still affected rhaenys until her death, as well as the completely botched green council seen
Yeah it’s definitely not a perfectly written episode. It does have its own writing issues but tbh I’m just a bit biased towards The Race structure occurring in that episode (I love that structure so much in any story bc I love the chaos and fun that arises from it). I also think that, especially in my first watch through of S1, going from all of the major time jumps that were happening (and that were aggravating me in my first watch through) I appreciated being able to stay with the characters for every moment after Viserys’ death even more. So that also plays into why it’s my favorite in the first season!
Too bad cinematography isn't enough to make a show good. Good Writing and common sense is also necessary which the writers seem to be lacking in for some reason
The actors are great. The writing was just bad this season so they didn't have much to work with. What a waste of Olivia Cooke, Matt Smith, Tom Glynn Carney, and Rhys Ifans
There were problems but you are all so ungrateful to what they achieved. Aegon, aemond, Daemon are all perfect. The problems lie with their Fan fiction abiut Allicent and Rheanyra and Misarya
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biggest problem is that writers are afraid to make both female leads do anything bad or unlikable . War started not because Alicent was power hungry, but because of misunderstanding . Rhaenyra didn't want to assassinate the innocent kid, she did not want to send Rhaenys to battle, she had to volunteer , bot of them are trying to avoid the war that man have started in their name... somehow .
Totally. Feminism has harmed the show a lot.
@@DiomedesDioscuro You mean psuedo-feminism, change of plot and lore, poor writing and terrible pacing. I wish they followed the book and add mushroom to add some spice. It would've been so entertaining.
It’s terrible. Watching people try to defend this season is also hilarious. Such a slap In the face to not only book readers but casual audiences. Bad writing doesn’t care if you read the book or not.
They try to defend it by saying you have no media literacy and a tiktok attention span. Even when the criticism shows media literacy and attention to detail. Its pure comedy
I literally was watching 5-8 as a chore, Aegon and Otto really carried it for me, and I don't even know if I'm watching s03
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@@GroovybihaDon't forget the argument that Fire & Blood is "a biased history book"
@@Rifi77No please tell me they didn't use that excuse?
@@FriendlyBatDoom that's literally how the show runner explains why every single bad deed is removed from the blacks, and every single good deed is removed from the greens
ppl justifying the questionable writing by using the same sentence “the book’s unreliable” makes me so mad 😭
It’s so tilting lmao
“bUt ThE mAeStErS tHo”
22:50 EXACTLY . People talk like game of thrones didn't happen . We all saw nothing of the things the prince was supposed to do was actually done . Arya is the one who did one of them . Arya , who has nothing to do with anything
Exactly, that's why all those primce who was promised should have been disposed of cause that just reminds us of the travesty that was Got ending.
All of Rhaenyra's motivation is basically "ThE PriNCe tHaT WaS pRomIsEd" like girl shut up
100000000000000000000% agree with the aemond point. it is insane how he randomly became a tantrum kid.
Regarding Aemond and not helping the small folk, I think it’s important to also realize that just because he has studied so much and trained so hard, does not necessarily mean he has the chops to be king. He might think he’s better suited than Aegon, because of pride or actual merit, but I personally think it’s interesting if he’s faking into pitfalls that his brother might not have. Whilst Aegon is more mindful of the small folk, he is less experienced in actual battle and war. Aemond may be the opposite to that, and this is why the Greens need both Aemond and Aegon.
TL;DR: Just because someone thinks they’re more suited doesn’t necessarily mean they are.
But you still need to _SHOW_ that
It _would_ be interesting if Aemond was really inept and had a giant blind spot but his pride and ego didn't allow him to see that. It would be a nice juxtaposition if Aegon was the opposite and they were yin and yang.
The problem is your head cannon isn't actually in the show.
What we saw is Aegon means well but is inept and unqualified while Aemond only values Otto's opinion and is a good strategist.
But aren't they? They show him pushing away all his allies, family, and councilors because of his pride, ego, and rage. His councilors don't want to tell him important info because they're scared he'll shoot the mesangers which makes it possible for Rhaenyra to recruit three new dragonriders without his knowledge (two of which are from his city). He alienates is family by burning Aegon and kicking Alicent off the council which turns Alicent against him, Haleana won't help him and starts to mess with his mind, Aegon flees from him, and even Criston is scared of him which completely isolates him. They show him being competent, decisive, and strategic but they also show that his anger and inferiority complex are getting in the way of being an effective leader and ruler. @michaelahurt
@@GrinMonister But what are the consequences?
He was _too_ successful and forced Rhaenyra's hand to turn to dragonseeds?
Now maybe pissing off Alicent will come back to bite him, Aegon fleeing will hurt him, maybe making a deal with the Triarchy won't work ... maybe it _will_ be that his ego led him astray
But as of now, Aemond is in a worse position because Rhaenyra got 3 new dragon riders and Daemon decided to not be king, not because of his own decisions, anger or inferiority complex
@@michaelahurt those are the consequences. He was too harsh to his councilors and to the king's guard which made his councilors too scared to tell him information he needed to know to keep Rhaenyra from getting two more dragonriders. He dismissed Alicent causing her to view him as a lost cause and turn against him and let Rhaenyra take the city once he leaves. He burned Aegon and hurt Helaena and now Aegon has fled, the greens have lost a dragon, and Helaena is messing with his head. He locked the city gates causing the smallfolk to riot. These are all consequences of his decisions that stem from his anger and inferiority complex.
The slight change of demeanor Aegon pulled of once he was crowned in season 1 was noteworty.
Besides Aegon Larys strong has been a great character.
And Otto Hightower was fantastic
Anyone who thought this season was good is either easily entertained or close to overdosing on massive levels of copium.
The answer is both
We as fans should make a petition to bring back Miguel Sapochnik…
It just felt that Rhaenyra didn’t understand what predicament she was in after Rooks rest. Aemond could have flown to Drgaonstone and taken down Syrax, Moondancer and Vermax relatively easily. She needed the dragon seeds, not for the throne, but to protect her life!!!!!!!!
People defending the show are really embarrassing because it's like they forgot how bad S8 was. HOTD needed to be nothing less than excellent in order to be worth our time. But these kinds of writing problems are unacceptable, now this is simply a case of "fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me"
Ppl defended GOT S8 all the way to the end until it was over then everyone turned on it.. if this show continues to go the way it is it’ll be the same
The season, hell, every episode had great moments. But the pacing… absolutely terrible. Despite good acting & cinematography, it didn’t matter. The writing really dropped the ball. ESPECIALLY in the finally. One of the worst finales I’ve seen. Very underwhelming & disappointing.
the finale burst in flames like a sausage in a spit
Blood and cheese was disappointing
Vhagar must be so easy to track, I'd expect daily updates to Dragonstone from spies tracking the dragon's movements
Comment section already restoring my faith in humanity.
Right! 😂
I found my tribe
I liked the harrenhal scenes with Daemon. I personally think the bad writing was the Rhaenyra and Alicent scenes….. because why would they still want peace? The show runners definitely need to make sure that the seasons are 10 episodes and they need better writers
20:19 Not sure that I agree. I think Daemon was changed before he saw the last vision. Actually he only got to see that last vision because he changed. I think we know this because he says to Alys Rivers that he once would not take her seriously, but now he has an appreciation for the magic (something to that effect).
In truth the prince that was promised was dropped as a plot point. It is not relevant once the long night really happens nor in any disucssion afterwards. Not even Arya was the ptwp because it is dropped as a plot point and thus discussing it in hotd has no relevancy. No one talked about what the prince was or was supposed to be in thrones after stannis, and thus it never played a role in the end of the long night.
Trying to choose someone to be it in hotd makes no sense because in the end, it didnt matter, it wasn't even a relevant plot point outside of discussions amongst fans, and thats only because we discussed with with pre existing book knowledge.
They cant fix Game of Thrones dropping that plot by making it relevant in this show, it doesnt work that way. In the canon they are following, the PTWP is just a myth that amounted to nothing when the real threat came. No one was Azor Ahai because it was almost completely dropped and so we know none of this prophecy talk amounts to anything.
(But both GoT and HoTD can pry from my cold dead hands the fact that Jon is the prince that was promised in my head, they will never change my mind on that no matter how GoT ended or how much HoTd is now pushing Dany)
I don’t agree with your Aemond take. I think it makes a lot of sense that Aemond wouldn’t care about the small folk. Aegon was the King That Cared. They both, in a sense ,understood what it was like to be ignored, to feel small. Aegon was a figurehead, and Aemond grew up without a dragon. But after aegon becomes king and is treated how he is, I can only guess, but he feels a connection to the small folk. Overlooked and ignored. But Aemond? His insecurities caused him to lean into his Valyrian supremacy. With the largest dragon in the world, that only exacerbates the situation. He’s IS the most formidable power IN THE WORLD. So when Rhaenyra gives dragons to the bastards, his position and sense of self, much like Jace’s, is completely threatened. So him burning sharp point made sense to me- as much as I wished to see it- and Jace threatening to have Ulf hanged for his disrespect makes sense to me.
Things have to be shown, not supposed by the good will of the spectators.
Problem is lack of strong characters like Ned stark, Cersy, Jamie, Tywin etc
Otto Hightower is the best character so far, legit copy and pasted from Fire and Blood and Rhys Ifans brings such an aura and presence!
Sidenote: the Alicent’s theme song should’ve been the main theme song… it’s sad but in a beautiful way. I’m disappointed this show could’ve been phenomenal like superb
The trailer promise something else then we got.
I thought I’d hate this season because I loved the King’s arc and obviously that was over. Actually thought it wasn’t that bad overall
After seeing your rant on Twitter about HOTD S2, I couldn't wait for this. 👻
Honestly they could've worked with 8 episodes. Was it underwhelming? Yes but It's not even the lack of action and dragon battles that got me turned off this season, It's the awful brain dead writing, monotonous storytelling and character assassinations. I rewatched season 1 of GOT last week and god damn I could watch them just talking all day. There was tension and conflict. It goes to show that a multimillion dollar budget and all the cgi in the world cant replace good writing & storytelling. HOTD, season 2 specifically, is just filled with shameless cameos, marvel-esque fan service, and nonsensical plot lines that veered too far from the book.
They love stating the BLOODY OBVIOUS... this is CIVIL WAR why minimize it to the point.. the characters are saying it is pointless and I am looking at their weakness and indecisive thinking and the minimizing of death and war alike... and adding prophecy is super dumb...daemon didnt need to commit war crimes and he and jace wasn't a cry baby. And you're right I feel like the time skips in season 1 confuses the show especially when season 2 is contradicting alicent gave her power away to her daughter when she married her king and son and she called haelena "MY QUEEN" they destroyed the characters from fire and blood when they made them their own adding insecurites and things that arent there at all in the books and not only just because they arent adapting the books but because the show doesnt make sense in the middle of war.. and the story itself isn't impactful especially when you minimize death and honestly the characters could have these small emotions during season 1 when they first became to the realization of their respective realities I mean these feelings are crazy to have in the middle of war... it weakens things in my opinion....
Yes let’s not keep going comparing the GOT to HOTD. It’s a different show, and I hated the ending of GOT.
It was boring and the colors were drab, it felt like a lecture on gender politics but disguised as a fantasy show.
It wasn’t even a good lecture on gender politics. They completely took away agency and personal ambition from all the female characters. Women in hotd are apparently not allowed to be greedy, power hungry, angry, vengeful, hurt, grieving, etc. By trying so hard to make all the women “good” they erased what makes them human. Which is literally sexist. Why can’t Rhaenyra want the throne simply because it’s her birthright? Why does she need a prophecy to “excuse” her inevitable violence?
I guess it's a good thing I didn't care for season 1; can't really be disappointed by season 2.
I’ll tell you why Aemond doesn’t give a shit about the small folk.
Because in his ego he thinks they aren’t even a threat. He has Vhagar, he believes she and him are invincible, and it’s pure hubris, likely his downfall (have not read the books)
He’s also a probably a psychopath or narcissist, operating out of shame, trying to prove himself, telling himself he doesn’t care what others think. Was teased, bullied, and had a traumatic injury as a child. All these things converge into this cold indifferent monster, who only truly cares about himself.
He dismisses the small folk because he is a god and they are mere ants under his feet. A god does not concern himself with ants.
He wasn’t a lame anime villain in the first season, he’s been demoted to evil edgelord for some reason this season, he chose not to kill aegon, and didn’t want to kill his cousin in the first season, but now he is an arrogant murderous prick (the edgelord was supposed to be Daemon)
0:34 was a different take
They are not talking about the prince that was promised they were talking about aegons prophecy a song of ice and fire never once did anyone say there’s “a prince that was promised”. The vision was to show damn he needs to back rheanyra so HIS lineage could prevail which leads to denarys , who is not the prince that was promised anyways .
"from my blood come the prince that was promised and his will be the song of ice and fire" that's literally what the prophecy on aegons dagger says in the show.
So when they are discussing the prophecy of the song of ice and fire, the prince part is literally half of the entire thing.
We the audience know this even if characters in the show don't and it's just a very misleading way the visions were framed.
I agree the show is interesting and better than a lot of shows on tv today by far. But this show lacks tension.
Great video but i'm surprised episode 9 is your favorite. That episode has so many writing errors that it still affected rhaenys until her death, as well as the completely botched green council seen
Yeah it’s definitely not a perfectly written episode. It does have its own writing issues but tbh I’m just a bit biased towards The Race structure occurring in that episode (I love that structure so much in any story bc I love the chaos and fun that arises from it). I also think that, especially in my first watch through of S1, going from all of the major time jumps that were happening (and that were aggravating me in my first watch through) I appreciated being able to stay with the characters for every moment after Viserys’ death even more. So that also plays into why it’s my favorite in the first season!
yeah, i remember writing a manifesto on reddit after it aired about how it was easily the worst episode of season 1.
Great video, good opinions 😊
I liked it, I only didn’t care for the Sept scene, otherwise the cinematography was great and the acting was decent.
But the writing was terrible. You can have decent filmmaking, but everything else literally makes zero sense.
Too bad cinematography isn't enough to make a show good. Good Writing and common sense is also necessary which the writers seem to be lacking in for some reason
@@mattcollins3591to you, it made sense to me, but different folks enjoy different things. 🤷♂️
let be honest. the actors are horrible. i dont know if it bad writting or boring actors. excepts for the dragons.
U have to be kidding
The actors are great. The writing was just bad this season so they didn't have much to work with. What a waste of Olivia Cooke, Matt Smith, Tom Glynn Carney, and Rhys Ifans
There were problems but you are all so ungrateful to what they achieved. Aegon, aemond, Daemon are all perfect. The problems lie with their Fan fiction abiut Allicent and Rheanyra and Misarya
No, I'm not grateful that a massive corporation pushed out slop. Demand better.
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