Personally I would move Anby up to T1 in the Content Creator Tier List. Which Tier List do you agree with more? Our Content Creator Tier List or the Community Tier List?
Unexpected hot take here, but personally I would move Koleda up to T0.5. I think these CCs in this video have never played her and did not do her justice having her in the same tier as Anby.
@@iamrivenousOnly reason she isn't in Tier 0.5 is cuz Lycon moved down from T0. Same happened on the Prydwn's list, and she's stuck next to Anby yet again... 🤷
Billy is interesting in that his overall performance is almost entirely dependent on the player's skills instead of purely numbers. It's almost a bit weird he's a starting character while also being probably the hardest character to play proficiently in the game. You either need Caesar in his team or consistently be able to pull off no-damage runs and perfect dodges to use him effectively. He's really not a beginner-friendly character by design.
THAT'S LITERALLY THE POINT OF GACHA GAMES. You can either skill up do insane stuff with hyper invested Billy or p2w use premiums with low investment to make it super easy thats the ENTIRE POINT to sell the premium characters to lazy people, unskilled and whales.
Thanks so much for the vid! The stream was fun. Definitely needs to be 2 different lists, one for DPS and one for support and sub-DPS. That way it's easier tell why a character is where. Also, I think there needs to be a clear label for when a character is placed for their niche instead of their general utility. Cause then people will see that Lyacon is better than Koleda so they should only invest in Lyacon, not realizing it's a bad idea if you have no ice team.
My roommate who regrets not getting Caesar was devastated when I informed them about the new battle tower mechanics (they were working during the live stream so I was relaying) lol. They already regretted it after watching me user her a bunch when her banner ended. But I saw it all really sink in in that one moment
Yeah, I guess that's their solution to making defense/defensive characters useful. Unfortunately I lost to a dog (Lycaon), he did boost my Ellen team a lot, but he is super niche.
@@Not-a-bot301 hard to say- genshin had its first rerun in 1.4, and star rail looks to have been in 1.5. So we may start seeing reruns around the same time, depending on if we start getting double banners like hoyos other games. Sadly Caesar would still probably be a few patches out from our first rerun character, so taking a shot in the dark I’d assume like 1.7-1.9???
@@bjornnilsson2941 I mean I doubt any character is going to be essential, she'll just be really nice quality of life if you want an easier time doing the tower I imagine ^^
Honestly really good lists from both content creators and community. My changes from content creator list: Ellen 0.5 - Doesn't have a lot of team options. And her team relies on a standard character you may or may not ever get, or pulling a limited Qingyi as a downgrade lol. She started out with her best team and despite her best team, Zhu Yuan with a completely free team is performing just as well if not better. And other S tier characters certainly perform better. Anby T1- is Anby the worst stunner? Maybe. But the whole goal of a stunner is just to stun the enemy as fast as possible which is something ahe does absolutely fine. In fact she actually is the fastest stunner. She's free and easily synergizes with so many team comps, where most other stunners feel a bit more restrictive. Billy T3- I actually didnt know about his fast clearing fo dailys. Which is certainly nice but i dont think that's really important to rank, id more judge based on endgame content. And unfortunately he still just shoots the air far too much for me. Id keep the rest as is, but a couple arguments that could be made. ZhuYuan to 0.5. She doesn't have many team options and she's lacking her best team. Qingyi is nice but ZhuYuan really wants an ether stunner to get that corruption uptime. And disorder teams are just better and easier to build currently. Anton to T2 he does have that glitch where you can basically infinitely use his enhanced attack. And we dont currently have any great options to deal with electric, so unless you have Grace or you just brute force, you use anton.
I partially disagree with Zhu Yuan, I main her and Billy and find that Resonaboo and pacing your shotgun shells with Zhu Yuan + Nicole's skill gets corruption pretty easily right before stun phases (although this is more so towards bosses rather than the normal/ elite enemies which imo most often don't survive long enough to take full advantage of her best disc set). Although she may not have many team options, she has the most accessible one (Anby + Nicole) and a bigger plus with Qingyi compared to Ellen who needs Lycoan and a Sokaku with good ER to get good rotations and proper buffs for her best team. Which may not be as accessible to some people who never got 1 or either of those characters. This is just me being biased, but honestly Billy is a bit of a skill issue for some people because he isn't entirely beginner friendly designed either. But with experimenting (or in my case, really looking into Billy gameplay guides to maximize his potential which made me love playing him even more.) his playstyle can almost clear as fast as a good Zhu Yuan team (I also say this by comparing my clear times with my Zhu Yuan team and Billy team). But I entirely understand that some people just genuinely don't like playing Billy because of him missing or lacking dmg. I have him at M6 S5 with 65% CR to 141% CD so I have a bit of a good reason as to why he seems to clear so well for me on top of having Caesar lol.
@tonythepigeon9168 Well I'm not good at action games so I suppose it's a skill issue for me. But for me Zhu Yuan is the opposite. I hardly ever have corruption on when I need it. I'm sure this is entirely down to my rotation. But if the stunner was either my rotation wouldn't matter. I'm not saying that Qingyi isn't better than than Lycaon, I'm just saying that Qingyi doesn't provide everything that Zhu Yuan wants why Lycaon does provide everything Ellen wants. Yep the Billy thing is absolutely skill issue. So I guess a list is going to depend a lot on what you factor into it. For me he's hard to use so even if he's strong he's not getting ranked high because his ceiling is so far off for me. Sokaku is another example her buffs are incredible and she's great for Ellen but I find her a pain to use so she loses points. But for Billy specifically as well I just think he's in a bad place because we had access to 3 physical attackers from the start and then almost immediately Jane powercrept them all.
I mean seth is really good esp if people missed out on caesar so I kinda agree with soldier 11 being with Seth esp since we are going to get the new endless mode, but yeah grace and anby feels like a step or at least a half step below these 2
Seth and Anby are both F2P heroes. People who pull every limited won't find much use for them, but then again the same is true of Soldier 11. I think they all sit well together in T1.
8:34 "Grace does not have a good team" Burnice is right there and Grace has really solid anomaly buildup for Disorder comps. Grace/Burnice/Seth or Grace/Burnice/Rina works very well.
Since it is a hot take tier list I want to disagree on Grace. I would put her on T0.5. I mainly strongly disagree on the "clunky feel to play". I think she is really amazing and smooth to play. She has that Diluc vibe when Diluc goes BA E BA E BA E BA when she's going BA BA BA E BA E. More importantly I think people sleep a lot on her evasive defense. It adds to the smoothness and add a lot of anomaly too, which kind of improve her need of her EX. You can easily use it then swap back on Jane right after it if needed (or Seth if you go for a counter and use the assist (which would refresh your buff)). Since I got Jane, I paired them up and they work really nicely together even tho Jane wants a lot of field time. It is true that you'll prefer to do the Jane dodge than swap but if you manage to use both correctly (when to dodge with Jane and when to use Grace's evasive defense) to maximise your disorder procs, it is really a blast to play !
No , she really deserve her T1. Actually she's borderline T2 . Yanagi coming powercreep her so much it's not even funny. Literally no reason to ever pick Grace unless it is your waifu once Yanagi since this secretary does everything that Grace want to do but better with more damage and built in disorder.
Grace is so bad it's funny. She is also a dps loss in a Jane team compared to an empty slot. At least she isn't that bad with Burnice, but without burnice I would put her in tier 2 or 3
Thank you for pointing out that she's one of the few agents in the game with an Evasive Assist. Super underrated assist, helps a ton with her quickswaps
@@TSG140-2 the op of the comment, I tried it a few times on Jane release and it was garbage. Monoshock with grace also felt bad. The problem with grace is that she doesn't do anything besides shock application and a small shock buff so she ends up wasting field time in every team.
When it comes to the dps characters in the tier list I have a problem with S11 being way higher then her other S Rank Neko and the other 4 stars as in all reality they all perform similar in shiyu you can find sub a minute clears for every dps character and in fact Billy, anton, and Neko I have found more often to perform better then S11 as I have a hard time even finding good clears for her so the Other dps characters should go up with her especially if you plan to keep Ellen and Zhu were their at as they have also even been outdone in terms of time cleared by some of the 4 stars as well so I feel as though the gap is misleading when in terms of time taken to beat end game content which I’m assuming this list is for they perform not far off from each other especially not a 2-3 tier gap in performance
@TheLastGhostLegendario her best team is Caesar and Lucy. Caesar is especially helpful due to her being a low field time unit and helping proc Assault more often. Lucy is a great choice as her her buff is active for awhile and her sub Dps is actually quite good. If you would rather though you can also run Nicole as her grouping is great and with high energy regen you have more access to quick assists which is also helpful to maintain Nekos core passive.
This feels very true to me as well! I also find that in Shiyu Defense, S11 lacks AOE compared to even some of the 4 star character which I sometimes find it difficult to clear groups of normal and elite enemies prior to getting to the boss and wastes precious time that make or breaks a S rank clear. I have her at M1 so I find that spamming her skill more often is nice in the sense that it kills faster and wastes less time. But some may not have that or be as fortunate if they were aiming to get her M1 if you ever lose a 50/50 or if you dont have the 300 pull selector for standard banner yet.
I would personally move rina grace up, under the assumption you have burnice. They work extremely well together. Also move Anton up to tier 2. The shock team still clears shiyu as long as the enemy doesn't resist electric damage, and next patch should be electric weakness.
qingyi actually doesnt stun as slow as people say. someone tested all stunners against each other and qingyi was not in any scenario the slowest stunner afaik. lycaon was the only stunner who in no scenario was the fastest so if anything he's the slowest stunner. with no/low energy against elites, qingyi wins over other stunners because her basic 3 racks up daze amazingly fast and she has a potent charged basic she can take advantage of. With max energy, those with moderate stun bars get stunned by koleda the fastest, and against 2-phase bosses with giant stun bars anby is generally the fastest. in the latter 2 categories qingyi ended up in 3rd and 2nd so people definitely overstate how slow she is just because she got compared to anby who stuns shockingly fast
I do understand why so many ppl underrate him but with supports like rina and qingyi he does surprisingly really well. Also he takes advantage of the best disk set in the game rn stat wise which is thunder metal.
Rina's buff at M0 is shorter yeah, can't blame cuz the tier only ranks them at M0. But when u get M1 Rina. Your life can change. P.S.: Wherever tier Anton is, I'll make him strong 💪
Hated and loved watching this live. Alot of bad takes on characters based on biased veiws but also plenty of good well thought out takes. All in all at least IWinToLose was keeping it pretty easies going. But i'd say Rina (have her M1so it is a bit easier for me with keeping buff up), Billy and Anby probably need to go up one and i'm fighting myself on if Soukaku needs to go down one.
Personally, I would move Billy up to t1. With Caesar, she gives him a huge qol for his m6 due to anti-interruption resistance so he’s never losing it. Even without, he can do work if you can reliably maintain his m6. We have seen solo Billy clears in shinyu defense. You do need to understand his kit workflow such as snapshotting his core passive buff to his ult, ex special, dash to prolonged the buff while moving, etc.
@@NakornWaipradap a bit of both imo. As someone who mains Billy even before Caesar came out, running double support on Billy with no Stunner was goated. Now Caesar covers the stunning part while still being a support which was insane to me when she first came out and I loved my Billy even more ever since!
If i remember correctl, T0 means meta or broken. 0.5 is meta but requires a specific team or situation. T1 is Good but has problems. T2 is usable if you dont have any other replacements and T3 is what you should avoid@@نواردرويش-ذ4ي
watched the video for 8 minutes now and I don't understand if T0 is good or T3. Why didn't they just do a S/A/B/C/D/E/F tier list. They made it so complicated
It currently feels a lot worse to play for me, but the damage is a bit higher i think. Its just that jane is not ideal in disorder teams, yanagi will be a better character for that.
Owww neko fans after such a long time of searching! She is truly THE GOAT, MY FAVORITE AGENT OF ALL TIME and supreme power, she is truly strong, stylish, fun and lovely, this will sound strange but I wish I could marry her
tier list in a skill based game is kinda iffy also zhuyuan with no ceasar or qingyi is probably 0.5 or even 1 for me tried it she REALLY relies on 1 of those 2 like REALLY REALLY
Grace in the same tier as Koleda after you say so many good things about Koleda while acknowledging how sbd Grace really is? What are you smoking guys???? Just because Grace is limited character she deserves to be in higher tier? Hell no! She's actually worse than Anthon!
Only thing I disagree with in the community tier list is S11 - at this moment. Shiyu is always about the current buffs/enemy weaknesses, and currently S11 does get an edge and should be on 0.5. I don't know about next Shiyu though.
The tier list is base on what category? Watching for 15min feel like it is based on feeling or instinct and biase. Real all over the place. Or how fast they perform or how much they contribute as individual to the team on current Shiyu Defence? Can't real tell.
I genuinly don't understand why people rank Ben that low. Similar to Billy, which I thought was super weak, turns out great for clearing with the right investment. Same for ben. He is clunky but he provides shields AND good damages and gives you a much easier time vs 2 bosses. He will shine once the rogue like game mode will come in this game. I cleared last shi yu within 2 minutes with ben lucy burnice
Don’t think people are though. Many, including me, love his design and character, but he is so boring and clunky to play. I have him M6W5, but can’t be bothered. It’s kind of genius (in an evil way) how Hoyo made A-rank dps’s have the most boring and repetitive kits, where they feel horrible to play compared to how the S-Ranks, like Ellen & Jane, dash and dance around the field and feel amazing.
@@iprowafflez506 Just caz they're whales it doesn't work like that lol and this tier list is pretty bad they got the obvious ones but Rina placement is pretty low
this truly gotta be the most pointless video, like fun friend discussion but so many characters being up high just results in nothing really mattering. Just play what ya like, even if its the wrong build, and you'll probably do fine if you roll good stats.
This truly gotta be the most pointless comment, like fun take but so many people wanna pull for what matters to them. Just play what you like, even if you prefer following a meta or not, and you'll probably do fine if you don't care also. 😂😂😂
@Hhhh22222-w no I'm saying they put so many dudes up high it doesn't matter who is "meta or not" cause everyone is up high. It's the Syndrome quote "when everyone's super, no one will be" okay well if everyone averages a 0.5 then we didn't need this video. Thanks
Personally I would move Anby up to T1 in the Content Creator Tier List.
Which Tier List do you agree with more? Our Content Creator Tier List or the Community Tier List?
Unexpected hot take here, but personally I would move Koleda up to T0.5. I think these CCs in this video have never played her and did not do her justice having her in the same tier as Anby.
@@iamrivenousOnly reason she isn't in Tier 0.5 is cuz Lycon moved down from T0. Same happened on the Prydwn's list, and she's stuck next to Anby yet again... 🤷
@@iamrivenous
Billy is interesting in that his overall performance is almost entirely dependent on the player's skills instead of purely numbers. It's almost a bit weird he's a starting character while also being probably the hardest character to play proficiently in the game. You either need Caesar in his team or consistently be able to pull off no-damage runs and perfect dodges to use him effectively. He's really not a beginner-friendly character by design.
PREACH THOSE WORDS (Im a Billy main since day 1)
THAT'S LITERALLY THE POINT OF GACHA GAMES. You can either skill up do insane stuff with hyper invested Billy or p2w use premiums with low investment to make it super easy thats the ENTIRE POINT to sell the premium characters to lazy people, unskilled and whales.
I'm building my Billy to be the very best, like no one ever was!
Thanks so much for the vid! The stream was fun.
Definitely needs to be 2 different lists, one for DPS and one for support and sub-DPS. That way it's easier tell why a character is where.
Also, I think there needs to be a clear label for when a character is placed for their niche instead of their general utility. Cause then people will see that Lyacon is better than Koleda so they should only invest in Lyacon, not realizing it's a bad idea if you have no ice team.
Caesar gonna be an instant win for the new endgame mode with the 50 floors where you can't heal too xD
My roommate who regrets not getting Caesar was devastated when I informed them about the new battle tower mechanics (they were working during the live stream so I was relaying) lol. They already regretted it after watching me user her a bunch when her banner ended. But I saw it all really sink in in that one moment
Yeah, I guess that's their solution to making defense/defensive characters useful.
Unfortunately I lost to a dog (Lycaon), he did boost my Ellen team a lot, but he is super niche.
@@Not-a-bot301 hard to say- genshin had its first rerun in 1.4, and star rail looks to have been in 1.5. So we may start seeing reruns around the same time, depending on if we start getting double banners like hoyos other games. Sadly Caesar would still probably be a few patches out from our first rerun character, so taking a shot in the dark I’d assume like 1.7-1.9???
She really has been great in all the non-resetting modes. I've still cleared them without her but we'll see if she's essential in the tower mode.
@@bjornnilsson2941 I mean I doubt any character is going to be essential, she'll just be really nice quality of life if you want an easier time doing the tower I imagine ^^
LUCY SUPREMACY
Truly one of the most universal character, and we get a copy of her for free this patch.
@@hamedoriyeah, literally plug and play character lol
Put Lucy on team, skill > switch and repeat🤣
The benett of ZZZ
ceasar tier 0.5 "it's a skill issue"
Someone finally putting Billy in anything but T3??? I must be dreaming
Honestly really good lists from both content creators and community.
My changes from content creator list:
Ellen 0.5 - Doesn't have a lot of team options. And her team relies on a standard character you may or may not ever get, or pulling a limited Qingyi as a downgrade lol. She started out with her best team and despite her best team, Zhu Yuan with a completely free team is performing just as well if not better. And other S tier characters certainly perform better.
Anby T1- is Anby the worst stunner? Maybe. But the whole goal of a stunner is just to stun the enemy as fast as possible which is something ahe does absolutely fine. In fact she actually is the fastest stunner. She's free and easily synergizes with so many team comps, where most other stunners feel a bit more restrictive.
Billy T3- I actually didnt know about his fast clearing fo dailys. Which is certainly nice but i dont think that's really important to rank, id more judge based on endgame content. And unfortunately he still just shoots the air far too much for me.
Id keep the rest as is, but a couple arguments that could be made. ZhuYuan to 0.5. She doesn't have many team options and she's lacking her best team. Qingyi is nice but ZhuYuan really wants an ether stunner to get that corruption uptime. And disorder teams are just better and easier to build currently. Anton to T2 he does have that glitch where you can basically infinitely use his enhanced attack. And we dont currently have any great options to deal with electric, so unless you have Grace or you just brute force, you use anton.
I partially disagree with Zhu Yuan, I main her and Billy and find that Resonaboo and pacing your shotgun shells with Zhu Yuan + Nicole's skill gets corruption pretty easily right before stun phases (although this is more so towards bosses rather than the normal/ elite enemies which imo most often don't survive long enough to take full advantage of her best disc set). Although she may not have many team options, she has the most accessible one (Anby + Nicole) and a bigger plus with Qingyi compared to Ellen who needs Lycoan and a Sokaku with good ER to get good rotations and proper buffs for her best team. Which may not be as accessible to some people who never got 1 or either of those characters.
This is just me being biased, but honestly Billy is a bit of a skill issue for some people because he isn't entirely beginner friendly designed either. But with experimenting (or in my case, really looking into Billy gameplay guides to maximize his potential which made me love playing him even more.) his playstyle can almost clear as fast as a good Zhu Yuan team (I also say this by comparing my clear times with my Zhu Yuan team and Billy team). But I entirely understand that some people just genuinely don't like playing Billy because of him missing or lacking dmg. I have him at M6 S5 with 65% CR to 141% CD so I have a bit of a good reason as to why he seems to clear so well for me on top of having Caesar lol.
@tonythepigeon9168 Well I'm not good at action games so I suppose it's a skill issue for me. But for me Zhu Yuan is the opposite. I hardly ever have corruption on when I need it. I'm sure this is entirely down to my rotation. But if the stunner was either my rotation wouldn't matter. I'm not saying that Qingyi isn't better than than Lycaon, I'm just saying that Qingyi doesn't provide everything that Zhu Yuan wants why Lycaon does provide everything Ellen wants.
Yep the Billy thing is absolutely skill issue. So I guess a list is going to depend a lot on what you factor into it. For me he's hard to use so even if he's strong he's not getting ranked high because his ceiling is so far off for me. Sokaku is another example her buffs are incredible and she's great for Ellen but I find her a pain to use so she loses points. But for Billy specifically as well I just think he's in a bad place because we had access to 3 physical attackers from the start and then almost immediately Jane powercrept them all.
Community fumbled by putting Soldier 11 in T1. Like.. same tier as Seth, Grace & Anby? Nah
W cc list
I mean seth is really good esp if people missed out on caesar so I kinda agree with soldier 11 being with Seth esp since we are going to get the new endless mode, but yeah grace and anby feels like a step or at least a half step below these 2
Seth and Anby are both F2P heroes. People who pull every limited won't find much use for them, but then again the same is true of Soldier 11. I think they all sit well together in T1.
Imo Jane deserve a tier of her own
Thank you for keeping the video from being too long. I enjoyed it
not zzz related but could you do a video about shorekeeper and her numbers?
My only favorite character anton being in T3 breaks my heart
what does t0 and t3 mean i dont understand the tier list
does t0 mean the best ?
and t3 means bad ? pls help me this so confusing
t3 is the worst t0 is the best
Billy the silly is back
8:34 "Grace does not have a good team"
Burnice is right there and Grace has really solid anomaly buildup for Disorder comps. Grace/Burnice/Seth or Grace/Burnice/Rina works very well.
Hot take, Soldier 11 feels equal to Ellen since Caesers release. They are my 2 most invested teams. I would move Ellen to .5
Community Tier List putting Ben BIGGER at t3 is criminal. I agree on the T0 placement
Thank you soldier.
what does t0 and t3 mean i dont understand the tier list
does t0 mean the best ?
and t3 means bad ? pls help me this so confusing
@@نواردرويش-ذ4ي Yeah pretty much that's it
Billy T3? Really community?? Sigh
I KNOW RIGHT? ( I LOVE BILLY)
Since it is a hot take tier list I want to disagree on Grace. I would put her on T0.5. I mainly strongly disagree on the "clunky feel to play". I think she is really amazing and smooth to play. She has that Diluc vibe when Diluc goes BA E BA E BA E BA when she's going BA BA BA E BA E.
More importantly I think people sleep a lot on her evasive defense. It adds to the smoothness and add a lot of anomaly too, which kind of improve her need of her EX. You can easily use it then swap back on Jane right after it if needed (or Seth if you go for a counter and use the assist (which would refresh your buff)).
Since I got Jane, I paired them up and they work really nicely together even tho Jane wants a lot of field time. It is true that you'll prefer to do the Jane dodge than swap but if you manage to use both correctly (when to dodge with Jane and when to use Grace's evasive defense) to maximise your disorder procs, it is really a blast to play !
No , she really deserve her T1. Actually she's borderline T2 . Yanagi coming powercreep her so much it's not even funny. Literally no reason to ever pick Grace unless it is your waifu once Yanagi since this secretary does everything that Grace want to do but better with more damage and built in disorder.
Grace is so bad it's funny. She is also a dps loss in a Jane team compared to an empty slot. At least she isn't that bad with Burnice, but without burnice I would put her in tier 2 or 3
Who puts Jane with Grace? They are both dps characters that take field time@@Le_Dave
Thank you for pointing out that she's one of the few agents in the game with an Evasive Assist. Super underrated assist, helps a ton with her quickswaps
@@TSG140-2 the op of the comment, I tried it a few times on Jane release and it was garbage. Monoshock with grace also felt bad. The problem with grace is that she doesn't do anything besides shock application and a small shock buff so she ends up wasting field time in every team.
When it comes to the dps characters in the tier list I have a problem with S11 being way higher then her other S Rank Neko and the other 4 stars as in all reality they all perform similar in shiyu you can find sub a minute clears for every dps character and in fact Billy, anton, and Neko I have found more often to perform better then S11 as I have a hard time even finding good clears for her so the Other dps characters should go up with her especially if you plan to keep Ellen and Zhu were their at as they have also even been outdone in terms of time cleared by some of the 4 stars as well so I feel as though the gap is misleading when in terms of time taken to beat end game content which I’m assuming this list is for they perform not far off from each other especially not a 2-3 tier gap in performance
What team do u use for neko? :D
@TheLastGhostLegendario her best team is Caesar and Lucy. Caesar is especially helpful due to her being a low field time unit and helping proc Assault more often. Lucy is a great choice as her her buff is active for awhile and her sub Dps is actually quite good. If you would rather though you can also run Nicole as her grouping is great and with high energy regen you have more access to quick assists which is also helpful to maintain Nekos core passive.
@@blacksand4950 Oh nice O: , sadly i didnt had enough for Caesar, but i am building Corin for a replacement, do you think its a good idea? :D
This feels very true to me as well! I also find that in Shiyu Defense, S11 lacks AOE compared to even some of the 4 star character which I sometimes find it difficult to clear groups of normal and elite enemies prior to getting to the boss and wastes precious time that make or breaks a S rank clear. I have her at M1 so I find that spamming her skill more often is nice in the sense that it kills faster and wastes less time. But some may not have that or be as fortunate if they were aiming to get her M1 if you ever lose a 50/50 or if you dont have the 300 pull selector for standard banner yet.
mewatching this after spending almost my energy to build billy
I think piper in T0 she is my second dps after zhu yuan and i completed all content with them
Bro i clear all content with anton.. so make anton t0 ?
Unlike piper, anton only dps in elektro
@hadisetio4979 but who was easier to defeat bosses? Piper for sure she is a mini jane doe
@@WikipediaaaaYes that’s why people put her as 0.5, because she is mini Jane Doe, who actually is t0
@@Kuddochan i mean mini because she is 4 star , jane ofc more powerful but that doesn't mean she is weak she is really broken as 4 star
I could only put Piper in T0 if she is paired with Burnice.@@Wikipediaaaa
Where does this T0 - T3 Tier List come from? Why not more S, A, B, C, D? It just seems strange with T0.5 etc.
ya i have no clue. i've seen it only in gacha games...
Guoba spawned out of thin air 😂
Why do people use t0 and t0.5 instead of t1-5 or S,A,B?
I would personally move rina grace up, under the assumption you have burnice. They work extremely well together. Also move Anton up to tier 2. The shock team still clears shiyu as long as the enemy doesn't resist electric damage, and next patch should be electric weakness.
im struggling between pulling Burnice or Yanagi. I already lost the 50/50 on burnice and about to hit the second pity.
The booba and feet bias in these tier list videos is insane though, grace feels like Anton but bad yet here we are praising her 😅
M6 Piper hits hard. Pairs well with Jane Doe and Burnice.
qingyi actually doesnt stun as slow as people say. someone tested all stunners against each other and qingyi was not in any scenario the slowest stunner afaik. lycaon was the only stunner who in no scenario was the fastest so if anything he's the slowest stunner. with no/low energy against elites, qingyi wins over other stunners because her basic 3 racks up daze amazingly fast and she has a potent charged basic she can take advantage of. With max energy, those with moderate stun bars get stunned by koleda the fastest, and against 2-phase bosses with giant stun bars anby is generally the fastest. in the latter 2 categories qingyi ended up in 3rd and 2nd so people definitely overstate how slow she is just because she got compared to anby who stuns shockingly fast
Huh you guys are completely sleeping on Anton.
And now that Yanagi is coming they gonna be sleeping on him more just because she's electric.
FR, bro has Insane Crit and Damage outputs and destroys all of end game. Anton is very underappreciated especially with these big content creators
I do understand why so many ppl underrate him but with supports like rina and qingyi he does surprisingly really well. Also he takes advantage of the best disk set in the game rn stat wise which is thunder metal.
If I pull up to the function with a chicken mask what you doin?
anton is my main dps yes he's good but so fkn squishy 😭 maybe skill issue huhu
I’m still pissed I lost my Ellen 50/50 to m1 grace
Rina's buff at M0 is shorter yeah, can't blame cuz the tier only ranks them at M0. But when u get M1 Rina. Your life can change.
P.S.: Wherever tier Anton is, I'll make him strong 💪
Ma boi Ben is so underrated. I run him with Piper and M6 Lucy. Just pulled Burnice yesterday and now I'm torn between the two.
Hated and loved watching this live. Alot of bad takes on characters based on biased veiws but also plenty of good well thought out takes. All in all at least IWinToLose was keeping it pretty easies going. But i'd say Rina (have her M1so it is a bit easier for me with keeping buff up), Billy and Anby probably need to go up one and i'm fighting myself on if Soukaku needs to go down one.
Personally, I would move Billy up to t1. With Caesar, she gives him a huge qol for his m6 due to anti-interruption resistance so he’s never losing it. Even without, he can do work if you can reliably maintain his m6. We have seen solo Billy clears in shinyu defense.
You do need to understand his kit workflow such as snapshotting his core passive buff to his ult, ex special, dash to prolonged the buff while moving, etc.
so is that Billy being good or Caesar just being the goated?
@@NakornWaipradapbilly being good, even with nico + lucy he demolishes Shiyu 7.
@@NakornWaipradap a bit of both imo. As someone who mains Billy even before Caesar came out, running double support on Billy with no Stunner was goated. Now Caesar covers the stunning part while still being a support which was insane to me when she first came out and I loved my Billy even more ever since!
rina grace is too low. they definitely can be paired with burnice
what does t0 and t3 mean i dont understand the tier list
does t0 mean the best ?
and t3 means bad ? pls help me this so confusing
If i remember correctl, T0 means meta or broken. 0.5 is meta but requires a specific team or situation. T1 is Good but has problems. T2 is usable if you dont have any other replacements and T3 is what you should avoid@@نواردرويش-ذ4ي
watched the video for 8 minutes now and I don't understand if T0 is good or T3. Why didn't they just do a S/A/B/C/D/E/F tier list. They made it so complicated
I haven't seen the dps charts but isn't disorder worse than pure Jane?
It currently feels a lot worse to play for me, but the damage is a bit higher i think. Its just that jane is not ideal in disorder teams, yanagi will be a better character for that.
I luv me some zzz content
so sad, neko is that low :(
neko my goat, still easily clearing content with her anyways so i guess it's alright
Still gonna get her at 300.
Owww neko fans after such a long time of searching! She is truly THE GOAT, MY FAVORITE AGENT OF ALL TIME and supreme power, she is truly strong, stylish, fun and lovely, this will sound strange but I wish I could marry her
really sucks cause I love her playstyle but Jane absolutely destroys her 😑
tier list in a skill based game is kinda iffy also zhuyuan with no ceasar or qingyi is probably 0.5 or even 1 for me tried it she REALLY relies on 1 of those 2 like REALLY REALLY
Billy M6 is real Goat.
Good list
I think the tier list is questionable because there is so many t0s.
I hate numbered tiers
Grace in the same tier as Koleda after you say so many good things about Koleda while acknowledging how sbd Grace really is? What are you smoking guys???? Just because Grace is limited character she deserves to be in higher tier? Hell no! She's actually worse than Anthon!
Disagree with Grace, Grace/Rina/Jane are super good
pretty accurate
Only thing I disagree with in the community tier list is S11 - at this moment. Shiyu is always about the current buffs/enemy weaknesses, and currently S11 does get an edge and should be on 0.5. I don't know about next Shiyu though.
what does t0 and t3 mean i dont understand the tier list
does t0 mean the best ?
and t3 means bad ? pls help me this so confusing
@@نواردرويش-ذ4ي Yes
do one for genshin next
The tier list is base on what category? Watching for 15min feel like it is based on feeling or instinct and biase. Real all over the place. Or how fast they perform or how much they contribute as individual to the team on current Shiyu Defence? Can't real tell.
the community putting billy at T3 is 100% trolling. this character helped me clear shiyu defense with ease
good video, like.
I genuinly don't understand why people rank Ben that low. Similar to Billy, which I thought was super weak, turns out great for clearing with the right investment. Same for ben. He is clunky but he provides shields AND good damages and gives you a much easier time vs 2 bosses. He will shine once the rogue like game mode will come in this game. I cleared last shi yu within 2 minutes with ben lucy burnice
Bruh anton in T3
My anton carry my account for full S in shiyu 🗿
these "CCs" know absolutely nothing! Ben Bigger my goat should be T0
yooooouiui
Ellen stays on top!
This tierlist is talking about M0, Lucy being higher than Ellen at M0 is very unconvincing.
It’s m0 for S-ranks and m6 for A-ranks, as it says at the top left
No, 4 stars are M6, 5 stars are M0.
M0 for S ranks, M6 for A ranks. Watch the vid again
so tired of people sleeping on Anton...
Bros got rizz no wonder so many ppl sleeping on him...
Don’t think people are though. Many, including me, love his design and character, but he is so boring and clunky to play. I have him M6W5, but can’t be bothered. It’s kind of genius (in an evil way) how Hoyo made A-rank dps’s have the most boring and repetitive kits, where they feel horrible to play compared to how the S-Ranks, like Ellen & Jane, dash and dance around the field and feel amazing.
@@leedevee A-Ranks aren't boring, just look at Billy and Seth, but Anton is a different type of boring. And that matters in a game like this.
Ellen should be T3 just due to how clunky she is to play. I doubt its going to age well
the real hot take right here
skill issue
Yet another bad tierlist from people who don't know how things work.
Agree
Brother they literally theorycraft these games as a JOB they know how things work lmao
Wow really?
@@iprowafflez506 Just caz they're whales it doesn't work like that lol and this tier list is pretty bad they got the obvious ones but Rina placement is pretty low
@@stillslick7964but rina is a bad support lol, her kit just weird and not boosting dmg that much
this truly gotta be the most pointless video, like fun friend discussion but so many characters being up high just results in nothing really mattering. Just play what ya like, even if its the wrong build, and you'll probably do fine if you roll good stats.
This truly gotta be the most pointless comment, like fun take but so many people wanna pull for what matters to them. Just play what you like, even if you prefer following a meta or not, and you'll probably do fine if you don't care also.
😂😂😂
@Hhhh22222-w no I'm saying they put so many dudes up high it doesn't matter who is "meta or not" cause everyone is up high. It's the Syndrome quote "when everyone's super, no one will be" okay well if everyone averages a 0.5 then we didn't need this video. Thanks
@@Khodakadahmi what