Water Mixable Oils- what you need to know!
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2018
- Learn the difference between water mixable oils and traditional oils, and what not to do! Types of brushes you’ll need and clean up.
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I completely agree about the mixing of the thinner and the linseed oil. It did the exact same to my painting and I couldn't figure out what I had done wrong ! It was so sticky and started lifting paint that I was trying to apply. Thanks so much for your information !
Hi Norma, I revisited the issue with a new video! Hit the subscribe and notification button so that when it out you’ll know! It will be about water mixable oils and just using water, and I’ll do a tutorial at the same time!
Several reputable sources online have suggested that you not use water with water mixable paints. The only time to use water is to clean up. Instead, they have different mediums that are designed for water mixable paints such as your typical one for fast drying, linseed oil and standing oil. These will make it behave just like oil paints they say. I am considering WM paints so I've been doing some research on them.
That’s somewhat true! Yes, water to clean the brushes, but also water as the medium. The issue I was having was that the painting stayed tacky for a long time! I believe the reason being was that too much water was being mixed in my paint and that caused the water to stay trapped and not evaporating fast enough or thoroughly. I’ve revisited this by starting my initial stage in thin layer and letting it dry thoroughly before going to the next stage using less water with the paint, although you don’t have to use water with each subsequent layers, you can use as you stated WM linseed OIL or dryers for that matter! The point being that water can be used throughout the painting process but in a limited amounts. If you want to move the paint easily you can use the WM Linseed oil instead! Just don’t mix the two together, it’s a mistake I made in the beginning. That’s why I partially agree with your statement ! I’ve experimented a little more and came to this conclusion, I’ll eventually do another video using Cobra WMO .
@@GebahiArtworks rangestoreswidneschesuk
@@GebahiArtworks I used water mixable oils a long time ago and used water as the medium, it took nearly two weeks for the painting to dry, so if I try them again, I will definitely try with the mediums.
I stopped using water and use Water Mixable Thinner now instead and have encountered no problems. It's much better this way.
I’ve also seen gel medium recommended. I’m gonna try that.
Thank you for sharing and discussing many aspects of water mixable oils
Amanda Buisson thank you for watching!!!
Thank you for your information and honesty, I bought myself the Winsor and Newton water and mixable test set to try out, hopping to get into oils if i like them❤. I learned so much from you already i only started to paint 1 year ago and that was with soft pastels but because i have asthma i stopped using them and started using acrylics. I found acrylics hard at the beginning but because i now have more confidence I’m ready to tackle the real thing 🎉 oils. I live in a similar climate as you in Australia at the Gold Coast where it can get very humid.🌴🌵☀️
My pleasure Katalin, the only thing is that I found W&N Artisan a little stiff compared to others!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about water mixable oils. I'll look forward to seeing more videos of your experiences with this unique medium.
Fred thank you very much !! I did a painting this medium recently on my Facebook page:
Facebook.com/gebahiartworks. In the video tab you’ll find the video and many others!! Enjoy and thanks for watching!!
Super helpful video, thanks!
Judy Mason anytime!!!
JUST DYING TO TRY THIS. THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO ! GREAT INFORMATION.
kunal Kulkarni you’re very wet!!!
You’re very welcome!!
Really appreciate you sharing what did and what didn't work for you.👍
My pleasure!!
Thank you so much for sharing all this great information and your process.
It’s my pleasure, thank you for watching my videos!!
I've used COBRA WMO briefly in the past. I just add several drops of walnut oil to my paint piles on my palette and use like that.
I have been washing my brushes with Murphy Oil Soap and it is amazing!!!
That’s what I hear, but I just use dawn soap still !!
@@GebahiArtworks I clean my brushes first with vegetable oil (a drying oil like safflower or walnut is best0--works like a charm. Then you can finish with dish soap, Murphy's, or masters.
@@tba1879 thank you!!!
@@GebahiArtworks Well they use Dawn to release the oil on bird's feathers after an oil spill. So if it works for environmentalists it must be good.
@@maggiedoor6093 that’s what I use to clean all my brushes!
Wow I love your art work!❤️
Thank you very much Phyllis, I have a new water mixable oil tutorial coming out very soon!
@@GebahiArtworks I’ll be looking forward to seeing them!
I'm still on the fence about buying water-mixable oil, but I really appreciated the information on here. I especially appreciated the info about Kilz. As a long time home remodeler, Kilz is in ample supply here. I was going to experiment with it for a base on panels for oil pastels. Now I am confident it will work just fine. I have a lot of shellac around as well!
I’ve had no problem with it so far, I have paintings that were done over 5 years ago with no issues! And the paint stick to the surface nicely. I tested one old painting by scratching it to see if paint would come off, and nothing!
Oh heak yeah! Super tips - subscriber from Florida.
Hello neighbor!! Thank you for watching!!
Great tutorial! I use artizan and have good results. I look forward to a cobra tutorial. Thankyou for your information on using wood bases.
My pleasure Michael, thank you for watching!!
This is really helpful, I am a watercolor artist in New Zealand. Just looking to go to Artsan , this video fantastic, by the way your art work looks great , merry Christmas 🎄🎁
Thank you very much Dawn, cheers!!!
A BIG THANK YOU THIS WAS VERY INFORMATIVE & I AM GOING WITH WINSOR & NEWTON WITH WATER OR LINSEED OIL!! SOUND GREAT> Thank you for your advise, much appreciated!!
My pleasure Lynda, thank you for your support!!!
With regard to sending your paintings by post ......the humidity from where you are is probably different to where you send it to that could be a factor in paint coming off in transit.
May be get some wee silicone bags that come with new electrical items to soak up the moisture.
I found that protecting the paintings when in transit can be done by using thin perspex sheets the same size as the canvas on the painted side ......or baking parchment with the gloss side against the painted side .......then may e bubblewrap over that ...
I always varnish my paintings when completed whether it be Satin , Gloss or Matt and put the painting in a warm heated place to set .....also varnish will put a protective layer on the painted side ....
Thank you! I changed the way I paint with water mixable oils, so I haven’t had that problem anymore. Too much water mixed into the paint was the problem!
Very useful video. Thanks. Interested to know what you think of the Artisan fast drying medium. I’ve found it v sticky and tricky to use (though maybe that’s true of all fast drying media?). Also, although the artisan FDM is supposed to be water soluble, it sort of glooped up my brushes and I had to use soap (not just water) to clean up. In point of fact I’ve found that soap is essential to properly clean brushes with WMO.
Your right Roger, it is stick and a little too thick for my taste! I no longer use it. I found that dawn soap works real well!
@@GebahiArtworks dawn soap?
@@triggerfish999 to clean your brushes at the end of your session!
thanks! that was helpful
Try Cobra water mixable oils from Holland they are the best I've used them they mix with water really well and just glide on linen or gasso canvass.
Indeed, I loved them right away, even without water they applied smoothly!
I had a similar journey with an initial frustration using only water as a solvent and no mediums. I've only recently discovered that the Artisan mediums have been altered to clean up with water which blows my mind. How is that possible? I don't know. I wish this video would show up first for any "water mixable oil" searches. It would shorten the journey to successful painting greatly. Thanks Gebahi Artworks.
My pleasure, thank you!!
Good common sense video and lots of good content for the use of water soluble oil paints! I believe that the use of the term water mixable just causes confusion! I keep all of my brushes separate from one another and only use a set for the medium they are dedicated for use with only that medium! I do have 2 sets of the same brand for different mediums. I know that can get expensive but you have to keep them separate, if you don’t you can cause cross contamination, that’s not good! Good Luck and happy painting!
Cross-contamination? You can use the water soluble oils with traditional oils if you so desire. That is the beauty of them! No such thing as cross-contamination.
@@TheJudeJane The cross contamination I was speaking of was between acrylics and oils and you should NOT use the same brushes with both Nor any water based paints with oil based mediums. Do you see where I said different mediums? Sorry to be confusing.
mjpete27 The beauty of water soluble oils is that you can indeed use water-based paint with them. You can use acrylic, watercolor, etc. I have a great book written by Sean Dye. Of course, if you use more than 30% traditional oils with them, you no longer have a water soluble painting.
Jude Jane Yes, you can use WS Oils on top of any water based medium. NEVER put an oil based medium under acrylics as this will seal off the oil paints and they will never dry! Oil paints ALL KINDS dry by oxidation if they do not dry before a seal coat, no matter the medium, it will mold and rot! Just a real world application that can lead even seasoned artists astray! But hey, if you don’t care how long your Art lasts do whatever you want!
mjpete27 Thank you for your comment, but you are preaching to the choir as I studied painting at the Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts and have been painting professionally for over 40 years.
Very helpful video, thank you! I'm considering trying them out. One question I have is if you thin with linseed oil, do you still need to use a solvent to clean the brushes, or will a mixture of Dawn and water work?
Thank you Jay!! If you mix with Linseed oil, make sure it’s water mixable Linseed oil, and yes, you can use Dawn soap to clean up at the end of your painting session!
Great vid, I have found best results not using water to paint with, just to clean with, I use all the artisan winsor newton mediums instead, with much better result, water mixing does work, but not as good. This is just my opinion, thank you good vid mate, take care
TheSwalk3r thank you!! I keep messing with it, and got some suggestions from another poster which I’m trying to see if it resolves the problem !
I'm trying to avoid solvents for my first layer of paint on the canvas (following fat over lean) and subsequently use walnut oil as a medium for the the following layers using traditional oil paint.
So following your example is it okay to use for the first layer a water base oil followed by layers of traditional oil?
Daniela Redi-Pessin yes you can as long as you stay with the traditional oil subsequently! I believe they do sell a water mixable walnut oil medium, I’m almost sure! In that case you can use water based oil all the way through.
yes, you can block in with water miscible oils and then use regular oil paint for the subsequent layers.
Have you tried using glassine paper to wrap your paintings and then bubble wrap? That is what some traditional oil painters use. Thank you for your vid and I was about to buy the W&N Thinner too!
Hello Maren, I haven’t tried glassine, I’ll have to look that up, never heard of it!
@@GebahiArtworks I use the sheets of heavy duty garden plastic (the stuff that's slightly opaque, very thick and sturdy) because if it happens to press against the paint film, it doesn't conform to the hills and valleys, and even when shipping a touch dry painting overseas, it doesn't stick like bubble wrap or paper.
Thanks you for your video Gebahi Artworks! If you need to paint another 3rd layer, do you add more paint to linseed, or add more linseed to paint? Thanks again, really appreciate your advice.
Thank you!! More linseed to oil!
Yes, your video helped. Help me know I have no desire to use water mixable oils. Thanks.
Everyone has a personal preference, just because I had issues doesn’t mean everyone else does! Beside, I’ve been able to work through the issue, I didn’t just give up!
Thank you ver much for your detailed tutorial. I used to paint in oils , bu for allergy reasons turned to acrylics. Now I’m trying to use mixable oils to go over an acrylic painting with mixable oils - is this something you have tried, and/or is it advisable.
Thank you Donna, yes, absolutely you can paint water mixable oils over acrylics! Just make sure the acrylic layer is dry!
I also have a video on oils over acrylics!
Thanks for the useful info! What do you do with your rinsewater though? Is it ok to pour down the sink/ drain or does it need to be disposed of as toxic waste?
I have disposable containers such as gallon jugs that I cut in half and then pour the dirty water in another container with a lid and discard! Some flush it down the sink.
these are marketed as non-toxic. water is the solvent. even the oil is linseed. it's been modified to rinse with just water. some Artisans are genuine cadmiums. the amount going down the drain is miniscule when you brush out the extra paint before rinsing and or washing with soapy water. I believe these water mixable are the paints of the future as more people become conscious of their impact on the environment.
I was advised by the Art Store to use Holbein Duo 505, for their WMO, BUT it stays sticky if you re-work the paint. over a week later - really sticky. Don't know how to remove it. I was also told you can use Water as a medium, but one video says that damages the paint film. WMO leave a residue on the brushes, as well. I was using the "fast-dry" medium, and my portrait kept lifting off previous layers. I generally use a technique of thinned glazing layers, and struggling with the WMO.
I also had this problem of the painting remaining sticky for a while after it was completed! I believe it’s because too much water was used to dilute the paint, use less water to dilute the paint. There’s nothing you can do to remedy that. The brand I prefer as of now is Cobra water mixable oils, they mix well with water! Also, your first layer should be thin and should be almost dry to dry. If you use too much medium then the bottom layer will lift! Remember that the subsequent layers have to be thicker than the base layer. And if you are glazing make sure the paint is dry before applying, otherwise your paint will crack in the long run.
Clean the brush with Dawn Soap and water when finished with a session! Otherwise if you’re not done painting and cleaning your brush just make sure the brush is not too damp, the paint will not fully come off and it’s ok, as long as you clean the brush good enough!
great tutorial and tips thank you so much! how would you thin out your layers as you are going through the painting? on top of oil layers?
also do you suggest using regualr linseed oil or water mixable medium ?
Thank you Rim!! For the first layer I just use a little water to thin the paint. For all other layers you should use water mixable linseed oil !
@@GebahiArtworks thank you!
Thank you for this demonstration. I've painted in acrylics only and have watched many of your videos. I just purchasea set of Artisan Water Mixable Oils. I have several questions:
When preparing your surface, do you sand between coats of shellac, and kilz? What about gesso?
I purchased Winsor Newton Painting Medium and not linseed oil. What do you know about the Winsor Newton Painting Medium and how to use it?
Once the painting is finished, how long do you wait before you varnish? What do you use?
Thank you !! It depends on the surface you’re painting on, if wood then yes, I do use shellac or even kilz 3 that you find at the big box store! If on canvas and I want it a little smoother, then I use Gesso, 1-2 coats. And I don’t sand between coats, just re-apply directly over the first coat if necessary. Buy the professional gesso not a cheap one if your budget allows, it make a difference! I’ve never used WN painting medium before, and I wouldn’t use it with water mixable oils either, it’s for traditional oils! If you’re going to use any kind of medium with water mixable oils, make sure it’s says water mixable medium, ARTISAN is WN’s water mixable line, so any medium with the name ARTISAN on it is made for water mixable oils of any brand. There are other water mixable brands as well, just make sure it’s for water mixable oils. As for varnishing, I use Gamvar by Gamblin, you can apply when the painting is touch dry. So make sure you touch different spots to make sure no paint is lifting! You can find more info on Gamvar via Google search, but I’ve come to love it! Otherwise WN damar varnish can be used when fully dry. You can make your own painting medium by mixing odorless mineral spirits and linseed oil in a 1:1 ratio! Or even a 2part mineral spirits to 1 part linseed oil if you want the painting to dry quicker!
I love Windsor and Newton wmo... excellent quality
For me they were a bit sticky and stiff to work with!
Do you find that the water mixable oils stay wet on the palette noticeably considerably longer than acrylics.? thank you for your response.
Yes they do!! Definitely!
Wood you prepare your panels the same for acrylics? I've seen so many ways to prepare them. I have some 1/2" mdo that's for construction use. I've uses that which comes primed. Then gtr inch birch. Can't say I have used primer for the acrylic works. What's your take? Thx
I’m not too fond of MDO because of moisture concerns over the long run! I prefer using 1/4” Birch instead, I would put 2 coats of Kilz2, now I use Kilz3 primer/sealer, it works great for both acrylics and oils! It has great adhesion and stain blocking power. I’m currently using canvases only because of convenience. Wood is cheaper and better but just time consuming to prep!
I always use parchment paper to wrap my paintings. I had that happen with bubble wrap using normal oils on a really dry painting and I read somewhere that putting bubble wrap next to the painting is a no, no.
Thank you, found out the hard way, I don’t use it anymore!
Nice demo! I've decided to do my oil painting underpaintings with Artisan instead of the usual mix of turps and oil pigment.
The problem is that I mixed Artisan's Raw Sienna and Titanium White with a small amount of water -onto a gessoed canvas, then smoothed it over. The result is really lovely but it's still tacky after a full day. Is it the Titanium that adds too much thickness and prevents the drying (such as in regular oil paints?) I would love to hear your take on this, i.e., what should I do differently? Appreciatively, Carol.
Was the titanium white also artisan? Otherwise it could be you used too much water! I’ve had problems with WMO staying tacky for a while after finishing a painting. And a lot of it is because water stays trapped under the oil and not evaporating fully as it should.
@@GebahiArtworks Aha! that makes sense! Thank you!
Thank for this great information. When you use Linseed oil with water mixable oils, can you still clean your brushes with just water ?
Eleonore Gratz I’m pretty sure you just use some soap with it, not 100% thought so take it with a grain of salt
Yes, but you need to use the specific Linseed oil for the water mixable paints.
You actually can. It just depends on how high the ratio of paint to linseed is. I found that the paint acts a little like a solvent on the oil and it washes out super easy. I left brushes out over night the washed them under a tap and they’re brand new.
Can you intermix regular oil paints and Water soluble oils together? Will the mediums work with regular oil paints
Good question, if you mix traditional oils and water mixable oils, if you put more than 20% by volume of traditional to water mixable oils than its no longer water mixable! But if you want to add your water mixables to traditional oils, there’s no problem, everything will be good. Just can’t do the opposite if you’re adding more than 20%.
Hi there! Thanks so much for this wealth of information! I’m new to your channel and a novice painter. I’ve tried acrylic paints because oils seemed a bit daunting. But I don’t quite like the ashen look of dried acrylic paints. I’m asthmatic so using turpentine put me off oils. I’ve only just come across WMO and I’m excited to try it! Since these are essentially oil paints, how do you dispose of dirty rags/ paper tissues and the water you use?
Thanks J
Thank you very much, glad you found me!! You can dispose the dirty rags and such in the garbage, but the water I pour in a container and in the trash! Or you can bring it to the solid waste authority.
@@GebahiArtworksLooking forward to watching more of your videos. Thank you very much!
Hi I have a couple of questions, I have just discovered that I should be using mediums with WMO after many years of alla prima with just water. I have also just discovered underpainting so felt I needed to do some research!
I have Artisan WMO paints, Artisan WMO Painting Medium and have just ordered Artisan WMO Thinner. Can I just do my underpainting using the thinner or should I stick with water (I usually have two paintings on the go so I don't need to worry if it takes a couple of days to dry), and then when dry do I use the Artisan Painting Medium to thin the paint as you do with the linseed?
I have now found the answer to my other question in your video which is don't mix them together!
Look forward to your thoughts, many thanks
Hi Lorna, if you use water as a thinner for the initial layer it will dry faster than water mixable thinners!! For the subsequent layers you can use the water mixable medium, such as water mixable linseed oil for the fat!
do you know if artisan thinner will mix well with the Artisan linseed? I tried mixing with the Artisan painting medium and it just separated @@GebahiArtworks
@@LadySaxPlayerLDee good question, after what I experienced, perhaps no, I would keep them separated and just dip in each one and then to the paint! In traditional oils yes, I mix thinner and linseed oils together.
I feel like you. Could create a frame so the canvas doesn’t touch the canvas we have had this problem as well w thee bubble wrap
Soux Ellis I started using Parchment paper, or wax paper! It better.
Can you use retouch varnish on the watermixables?
Good question, yes you can!
When prepping your Birch panels, what about "sanding" the different coats ? (I like the Kiltz idea).
Thank you!! I don’t sand between coats! I lightly sand the last coat with 180grit sandpaper. When I use kilz2 water based sealer/primer, I put on 2 coats. You can put 3 if you want but not necessary. First coat I put on I turn the board vertical, 2nd coat I turn the board horizontal for good coverage.
@@GebahiArtworks , hate to be so inquisitive but I've been wanting to cut and prep my own panels for some time but wasn't sure as to how to prep them. Any particular type of wood panel (thickness ), what about Masonite, I've heard yea and nay (because of treatment). Do you sand the panel before prepping?
Mickey Jackson no worries! You can’t go wrong with a Birch plywood, you can find them at any big box stores. I used to buy them in sheets of 1/4” thick,, 4’x 8’ and then cut them up at home to sizes! If you can’t do that then you can find them pre-cut online, just Google search birch wood art panels! Once I cut them down I just sand the edges. Then I apply gesso (3 coats at least!) or Kilz2 water based sealer/primer (my preferred choice, 2coats!) and then I would do one coat on the back so that the panel doesn’t warp with time!! Or I would would do 2 coats of Kilz2 in the front and Spray Shellac on the back, up to you! Tempered Masonite is fine too, nothing wrong with it, you can actually cut Masonite panels with a good box cutter! Just do 2-3 passes on front and back and snap it, there are videos on UA-cam on the subject, Hope this helps, let me know!!
Can you simply stick to water? Like using gouache?
You can use water but not recommended throughout the painting process, only to clean your brush! You can get water mixable linseed oil to help spread the paint around!
I really want to try using water mixable oil paints, but I am still wondering about one thing : do I have to dispose the dirty towels in a special container, just like with normal oil paints or can I throw them away without worrying?
Karo Lilova you can throw them away without worrying!
@@GebahiArtworks Thanks!
Would a light coating of cold wax on the paint to protect from it sticking to packaging work?
Im planning to try that, then kitchen wax paper. Probably, spacing the painting surface away from any packaging material would be best. Best wishes!
I would just go with the kitchen wax paper! Otherwise when the client receives the painting you’ll create more work for them because it’ll look flat and they’d have to wipe it away!
Gebahi Artworks I’m just getting back into the water miscible oils, and will be trying my usual favorite, a drying medium, for starters. Keeping some notes on various mediums for my own use (just ordered artisan stand oil) and probably fiddling around with a little bit of water or alcohol, just for fun.
About waxing the surface, my recent poking around learning about cold wax’s properties gives me the idea that, since it is truly related to shoe polish, buffing the surface might result in a satin sheen. I’m keen to experiment with it in numerous applications! . It is most enjoyable to discover a new element for painting! Thanks for the food for thought! Cheers!
P. Wulfson I do believe there’s a matte varnish for oils! You can experiment mixing Gamvar gloss varnish and some Gamvar matte varnish to various proportions to get that same satin finish without the fuss of using cold wax !
Is the "regular linseed oil" the Artisan type, or real LSO ?
You have to use WMO linseed oil with water mixables, you can’t use traditional linseed oils! Artisan is Winsor&Newton’s water mixable oil brand. There are others out there but Winsor&Newton is the most accessible one!
Hello! One question, what kind of medium I have to use with my water mixable oils to retain brushstrokes and have a smoother effect? I would like to layering paint smoothly. Thank you!
Hi, good question but it’s either you want visible brush strokes or you want smooth, can’t really have both! If you want brush stroke to remain then use thicker paint, load your brush well without medium if possible, or very little. For smooth finish use more water mixable Linseed oil or water mixable Stand oil, that will take out all the strokes! I hope that answered your question.
thank you so much! What if I want the paint also dry quickly? Is liquin ok for water mixable oils? Or I have to use something else? Like Gamblin gel?@@GebahiArtworks
@@iamafollowerofChristArtisan make their own retarder. I wouldn’t imagine liquin would mix… but I could be wrong.
I am also trying to learn how to use the WATERMIXABLE oils, BUT it is EXTREMELY difficult considering that there is NO information AT ALL, for instance on what happens if one mixes the artisan thinner and the quick-drying medium from COBRA! *IT SEPARATES THE COLOURS!* I mixed Phathalo blue+lemon yellow+white, getting a light green Aqua color, BUT when I added the thinner with the dying medium mix, there were streaks of yellow coming out from the mix. This is happening with other colours, which were premixed before!
I’ve had similar things happen before, make sure you clean the brush well and the water out. If water is still on your brush while adding other mediums you’ll get some undesired effects!
I have not ever sent paintings in the post. But if you are using panels, could you put them into the bottom of a strong shallow cardboard box with some double sided tape on the back of them stuck to the bottom of the box. If you are worried about the box collapsing uf badly handled, you could cut some strips of styrofoam and stick them just outside of the painting in the box on the vertical sides, once again with some double sided tape. Just some thoughts.
Thank you very much for that tip, I’ll give it a try!!
Im trying to use W&N Linseed Oil ..but Im struggling to get the top off been trying for 2 days now !!!!!
Denise Shaw hi, try using pliers, or a heat source, such as the top of a stove , not too close of course, and then try to open it with pliers if you have a pair! Hope this helps.
@@GebahiArtworks tried pliers but mine dont open wide enough to take hold..the top is just turning around clicking but wont budge..so annoyed
Denise Shaw , if you know anyone with tools, ask them for channel lock pliers, or you can get them cheap at Home Depot. It’s because the clear plastic inside the cap is detached! You need something that can clamp and grip both together and twist open ! Otherwise it will continue to just spin without opening. Get a pair of pliers big enough or channel lock pliers from someone or Home Depot!
I find I have to clean the threads of the bottle with a damp towel before recapping. Also keep the bottles upright.
Help!!! I just realized I am using Windsor newton water mixable oil paint on my oil painting and thought I had oil paint! I am using mineral spirits with it. Will this cause the paint not to dry properly? Please, if you will, get back to me so I can try to get the paint off of the expensive, large canvas. I would appreciate your response.
Hi Donna, so if I’m understanding you correctly, you used water mixable oils on top of traditional oils? If the traditional oil was dry and you painted with water mixable oils on top of it, then yes it’s fine! But if it were the reverse then I’d be weary.
What is the difference between water soluble oil paint and acrylic paint?
Acrylic is a water based medium that uses only water as a vehicle and for cleaning, and it dries quickly and is permanent when dry! And it’s made of resin binders. Water mixable oils on the other hand is made with linseed oil as a medium which requires a solvent base medium to clean and/ or to thin, but in this case, it’s water mixable, meaning that water can be used to clean your brush or use as a thinner. There’s a chemistry behind all this that makes it possible, otherwise obviously, water and oil don’t mix. You can use water mixable oils in the same way as traditional oil paints, but if you do, than it won’t be able to clean with water anymore! And you must use water mixable mediums in conjunction with water mixable oils if you want to use water to clean your brushes. Hope this helped and not to confusing!
Do you ever use water soluble linseed oil
That’s what you’re supposed to use with water mixable oils, not traditional linseed oils!
Hello. Thank you.
Anytime, thank you for watching!!!
I can't find special oil soap anywhere near so is it okay to use regular soap?
No need for special soap, I use Dawn liquid soap in the palm of my hand and clean my brushes that way!
@@GebahiArtworks thank you so much i got my water mixable oil colors today and I can't wait to try them! And your video is definitely a big help!💕
thx for the advice! I can get the Winsor & Newton nearby, so i am pleased with your analysis. BTW - i love hearing the children in the background. :)
Mark Tuck thank you!! Winsor&Newton are pretty consistent in their quality, the only thing about their Artisan water mixable oils is that it’s a little stiffer than others. So I would mix a little water mixable linseed oil to the mix, small amounts to give the paints a butter consistency!
@@GebahiArtworks that's awesome advice! thank you. now i know exactly what to buy.
Thank you so much for the info, I can now see where I was going wrong, Marian U.K.
Cheers Marian!!
7:51 Of course, you don't use "just ordinary Linseed Oil" you use Artisan Water Mixable Linseed Oil, as shown on the label.
Charles Smart thank you, I did miss that, and you’re right, it has to be water mixable linseed oil !! Thank you for that correction.
Charles Smart thank you, I did miss that on the label.
What's to frigging point. If you have to have all the same crap what are you gaining. Nothing that's what. Instead of water just use a little gasoline to clean brushes or drop them in Murphys oil soap. Cleans the paint out and conditions brushes. if you already have all your product why start all over again. It's just a money grab. Most of the products we use for oil painting are organic anyway. If you can't stand turpentine I guess you can't walk through a forest.
@@phillipstroll7385 turpentine is toxic. And organic doesn’t mean harmless.
What a great and comprehensive video, so helpful. Also, BTW I really loved hearing the children in the background (very sweet) - it was delightful.
Thank you Brook, I appreciate it!!!
There's round brushes and pointed rounds. The pointed are made to keep their point while you're painting.
Notyur Bizniz thank you!
@@GebahiArtworks you're welcome. I just found that out recently.
Cobra water mixable oils are very chalky to me. I didn't like at all...with water sometimes it granulates on the canvas which is frustrating
Yes, especially if thinned down too much!
same problem here with a ultramarine blue from Lukas Berlin. dont blend well with water.
Yes, but I over came the problem by using less water this time!
Firm cardboard is a good option for protecting the painting in transit.
I’ve done that in the past, especially with canvas panels! But the problem with water mixable oils is that it stays tacky for a long time!
I was under the impression that with Water Soluble Oils (WSO) you only used water for "clean up" and not as a Medium, ie, to thin the WSO..? Which is it? Wait,,!, you are using the water plus WSO to create an undercoat wash I guess, then the WS Mediums to paint with.. is that correct..? Also, I like the idea of prepping the wood with Kiltz..
Mickey Jackson hi Mickey, you can use water as your medium, only difference is that it will dry faster than thinner! The only thing is that you don’t want to use too much of it. Also yes, water is used for clean up! Water is basically your thinner. As you paint subsequent layers use less of it, kind of like when you use odorless mineral spirits, you’ll use less of it as you build up the layers!
Thanks for the reply, very helpful. A question about prepping the wood .... after all the shellac is put on the back and front, then you add the two layers of kilt to the front, is there any "sanding" involved between the layer(s) of kiltz ?
I would not use water as medium... It's quite difficult to use and you'll lose your pigment. Use water mix able linseed oil or something else. Use the water plus soap only for clean up.
Darkreverie that’s exactly right according to Mike’s video from Jerry’s Artarama: 1. water for cleaning only 2. Use WM mediums for painting, 3. You can mix usage of WMO and regular oils but you will need to use regular (not WM) mediums to paint with and you will not be able to clean your brushes with water only but will need to use regular solvent. After paint has dried you can go back and forth using WMO and regular oils. But never use water as a medium to thin and paint with. Use water and soap to clean brushes only.
What do you use as liquid white??? Liquid clear?
I don’t use any liquid white or clear! That style of painting is associated with Bob Ross, and there’s nothing wrong with that but it’s not really necessary. You can just add medium to your paint and have the same effect.
@@GebahiArtworks thank you!
Recently learned water is only to be used for clean up, only use thinner for painting. Maybe the thinner and oil has a similar rule.
You can use the water as thinner as well for the first layer, it dries faster than water soluble thinner! For the subsequent layers you can use less and less water, or none at all, and instead use water mixable linseed oil. That’s my updated method of using water mixable oils.
Do you varnish your paintings?
Yes!
Hello! In WMO which is more advisable to to use, water or linseed oil?
I personally use water! It also depends on the brand, such as Cobra and Duo Aqua, they both do well with just water. Others, I use water just to clean!
@@GebahiArtworks how about Windsor and Newton does it work well with water?
@@ESPOSOMIAA. it works but be careful how much water is on your brush, the paint come out grainy to some extent, I would probably use a little water mixable linseed oil instead! Or a water mixable painting medium which I think they sell.
I only got a normal linseed. Is it fine?
@@ESPOSOMIAA. no, not recommended with water mixable oils, unless you use it in the traditional way, meaning, you won’t use water to clean up, instead you have to mineral spirits to clean up! Which defeats the purpose, so use water mixable linseed oil!
I use water and walnut oil.
Thanks.... Soooo, the Mediums to use for WM oil paint are --- Water; or WM solvent/thinner (?); or WM linseed/ or WM stand oil.... correct..?
Mickey Jackson correct !!
Why use the solvent when you are trying to get away from it? I read where you can also use regular oils together with the wmo, hence the solvent will assist. Saw a guy used other water based media together with wmo , gouache and water color, and regular oil.
The only solvents to be used with WMO should be water mixable solvents, not traditional solvents! The difference is that WMO are cleaned with water as opposed to solvents like turpentine or odorless mineral spirits which both emit harmful vapors. If solvents are truly a problem then switch to acrylics!
As for mixing other mediums with oils, you shouldn’t mix more then 10% by volume!
Silver Bristlon great brushes
Agree!
its because of emulgators wich make hydrophobe and hydrophile molecules bind, (oil and water in this case). Soap is also emulgator wich is why it cleans
Thank you for the info!!
@@GebahiArtworks no problem, Its more complicated than i described it but tbh i dont 100% understand it either to the shame of my chemistry teacher lol
@@rinkerd3575 Lol!!
I may be wrong as to the oil but machine shops have been using water mixable oil for decades!
It’s possible, but new to the art world in relation to its discovery. Just like in Europe, certain cars were in the market decades ahead of the US!
Good video.......many thanks.
SuperFrasman thank you!!
Sorry, I think you just answered that, water and dawn soap to get all the paint out. I caught it at the very end.
Eleonore Gratz make sure the linseed oil is water mixable linseed oil, and not the regular linseed oil!!
I mix water with a 2-3 drops of water mixable medium in a jar that can be closed. Shake it, and it become like milky water. That's I use for thinning and glazing wamo paint
You need to figure out the ratio of water to medium yourself, it depends on the weather where you paint, the style, etc.
I never mix with only water.
Wamo paint IS oil paint with some emulsifier in it.
When water evaporated it is an oil paint with all the characteristics.
Most mistake made by treating it like acrylic. Too much water mixed into wamo paint.
If you want only use water, use a dropper and mix with a few drops of water into the paint, do not overwater it. Best to use the mix above.
I use a tiny caviar jar to mix it,3 quarter water and 3 drops wamo medium. When you glazing just put more medium into the jar, 2 or 3 drops for every subsequent layer. Shake it. This mix will stay emulsified over time, so u can use it for weeks.
Thank you very much for the info!!!
@GebahiArtworks you are very welcome.
Another tip is if you still have regular oil paint, you can transform them into water mixable oil by mixing them with Schmincke Medium W .
1 part medium, 2 part paint, mix them well, and you have wamo oil paint. It can be mixed like other water mixable paints.
And one more.
You can save your leftover wamo ( or regular) oil paint by putting them into little airtight jars and smooth the surfaces. Pour very cold water on them, not icy, to cover the paint. When you want to use it, just discard the water and let the surface dry or hit it with a blow dryer for a minute. Doesn't have to be fully dried.
No more wasted oil paint.
If the leftover too dirty, just collect them separately as cool, warm, or grey bottle and follow the water treatment above.
I don't throw away any paint, it isn't good for the environment or my wallet.
@@LightshamanaDhyana thank you!! I knew about the additives you can add to traditional oils to make them WMO, saw it Jerry’s Artarama, plus you can put your oils in the freezer to conserve them a for a while, then let it thaw before using, which only takes few minutes!
@GebahiArtworks thank you, I have little aversion to put paint with food. Even it is triple packed.
I just thought you can tell these on your channel for others to benefit.
Happy painting.
@@LightshamanaDhyana thank you!!!
Plus walnut oil cleans your brush after useing oil paint.
Thank you!!
Cocoanut oil also works well, and then a final rinse w soapy water. Works on hair as well.
I relate to the kid talking in the background. Also thank you for being helpful!
jenn loh thank you!!
I've found that Holbein Aqua Duo are superior.
That’s what I keep hearing, I never heard a complaint! I almost bought a set but the price was a bit high and at the same time I couldn’t find the lightfastness of the paints at the time. It was a long time ago, so I went with Cobra!
@@GebahiArtworks I would give them a try!
Use walnut oil with artisan.
Thank you!
What I have read is that it takes as long to dry as non water mix except the water evaporates. I am trying to find out if you add the medium that "quick dries" how long until the oil is actually dry. Anyone know?
If you use strictly water as your medium to dilute and spread the paint, I would make sure each layer dries thoroughly, otherwise what I found was that the paint remains tacky for a long time. They do sell water mixable drying agents and thinners! If you use drying agents your painting should be dry to touch in approximately 24hours. Hope this answers your question, let me know!
Are there different kinds of gesso?
Betty Hale hi, not really! Although instead of using regular Gesso, I use Kilz2 water based sealer/blocker/primer! You can buy that at Lowe’s or Home Depot. I give it 3 coats in front and once in the back so that it reduces warping.
Gesso is a surface preparation for acrylics and oil paints, there are oil primers that prepares your canvas for oil paint only. Most Gesso is water based and after it drys it provides a sealed surface for just about any medium! Good Luck and keep working!
Walnut oil dries non sticky. At all. Dry . To touch.
Thank you for the tip!!
Maybe a wax paper might work better if you put it on under your bubble wrap.
I ended up by doing that but still had to find out why it stayed tacky for so long! I believe I know now, it’s by having water still on my bristles and mixing a medium as well and that caused the water to be trapped and not evaporating fast enough causing the stickiness!
@@GebahiArtworks ...can I ask you a question? I have heard about a medium that changes regular oil paint to water soluble. Do you know anything about that?
@@pikeevans8559 yes, it’s sold by Weber, and you can find it at Michael’s and also at Jerry’s Artarama! It’s basically just the additive that’s used in water mixable oils that makes it able to clean up with water. I’ve never used it myself but that’s what it is. You can basically convert all your traditional oil paints you have right now into water mixable oils!
@@GebahiArtworks I have already ordered some....thank you.
@@GebahiArtworks ....here is a tip for you. If you use really hot tap water, and Dawn dish washing liquid...a good amount, you can clean an oil paint brush very well. I have done that for years. Just to make sure my brushes stay soft, I then dip them in motor oil and work it into the ferrule which is an old time sign painter's trick to keep their lettering brushes soft. I just happen to be an old time sign painter....LOL
Any day...I feel conventional oils are more buttery ....blendable...more luminous rich in pigment than water mixable oils
I reverted back to traditional oils!
@@GebahiArtworks Oh really, I am undecided between using the water mixable or just going straight into traditional oils without solvents (for the thinner for underpainting I found a thinner from Sennelier green). What made you revert back to traditional?
@@RoseGoldShimmer good question! It was the fact that the painting stayed tacky for a long time after it was finished. I think I know why now though, I believe I was leaving my brush too damp and the water was getting trap and not evaporating as the oils were oxidizingat a slower rate! So the best thing to do here is to use a water mixable thinner for your initial wash or even water(dries faster!), and then use water mixable Linseed oil as your medium to thin or move around the paint for your subsequent layers. Cobra, Aqua Duo, and Lukas Berlin were pretty good paints! Winsor and Newton was a little too stiff for my taste.
@@GebahiArtworks Thanks! That would make sense, with having too damp of a brush. I first saw a video from Cobra and they were using water in their demo, but after reading about tackiness and drying issues (either takes too long or it dries too fast), if I go with WMO's I won't use water but a thinner instead. I'll just leave water for cleaning brushes and rinsing between paint applications (and due to your experience, making sure to dry them out as much as possible with a paper towel).
@@RoseGoldShimmerActually once started using wmo linseed oil...its same like oils plus easy to wash brushes
Oh wow ! I’m so lost lol 😂 I started looking for more info on the wmo. I came across Cobra and I decided that was what I was gonna start out with and was like now just to get it down to what exactly I need and how to use it. I’ve always wanted to try oils but I guess I’ve been a bit intimidated. I only really started painting at all a bit over a year ago. And that was with Acrylic’s . So When I heard of wmo I thought well maybe I could actually give it a try. I won’t have all of the thinners and stuff. But I’m starting to think maybe I’m a bit in over my head still yet! I have talked with the supplier about them and what I would need. But I also know there is always more to it. Which is why I started searching for more information. Anyway, any tips from anyone for someone just starting out with wmo, who has also never worked with oils before and coming from Acrylic... really anything would be greatly appreciated! Thank you 🙏
Julie Peck don’t be intimidated! You actually picked a great brand by choosing Cobra water mixable oils. Cobra so far is a the only I feel can be painted with only water, aside from Holbein. The only downside to water mixable oils is that for some reason it stays tacky for a while!! Never understood why. The trick is this: use only water to clean your brush or thin your paint, and wipe your brush down! For the subsequent layers use water mixable linseed oil or no oils at all. If you paint alla prima (one sitting) then use water mixable linseed oil as your medium to move the paint around. If you want to stick to acrylics, I recommend you try Golden Open Acrylics, feels like oils, and acts like oil, but without e inconvenience! I have a video with Golden Open Acrylic.
Thank you so very much!! I had thought about the Open Acrylic’s but after I started looking into them more I started hearing that yes they do stay open longer than the usual but that they but that it isn’t really that much difference between them and they definitely wouldn’t stay open like oils. So after hearing that I kinda just was like well I’m gonna look into something else. But if you truly think they are open for a good amount of time and worth trying out , then I guess I’ll give them a try!
Julie Peck I love in Florida, and they stayed open for hours!!! If I covered them, they stay open for days!
Awesome! Thank you so very much 😊
Now I’m giving my Holbein the side eye for being shady 😒
😂
Lol, the problem I have with Holbeins line up is that it does give you the lightfastness ratings, although a good painting line, the info is kind of obscured!
I love your work but the background noise is too much! Thanks
Thank you Estelle, it was hard to control with 2 young children and small house!
Love the kids in the back ground!😍
Lol, thank you Phyllis!!!
What you DO need to know is that these are student quality paints, hence their price. Comparing them to Winton or Georgian paints is only to compare a water miscible student quality paint with other student quality paints. There's no means of progression here. I've tried the Artisan range, and the Grumbacher range - neither of them would encourage me to use water miscibles ever again.
Thanks for the info!
Ha..no pun intended with my use of Wood..
No worries, Lol !!
You say use regular linseed oil, but you are incorrect. The linseed oil is Artisan linseed oil. This oil has been chemically modified to be water soluble just like the oil in the paint
tubes.
I didn’t use traditional linseed oil, I used Artisan linseed oil!
The blobs of paint on the bottom left of your palette looks like a cartoon clown lol.
Lol, looking back, it kinda does!
Water is for cleanup only. Dont mix water into these. Use the mediums made for these paints. Water breaks down the desirable properties.
Thank you, found out the hard way! But now I use water just for the wash since it evaporates faster, I don’t use hardly any on the subsequent layers.
maybe there is the problem, you mixed "painting medium" with oil. Painting medium is a mixed from other oils. You said that u used "thinner" artisan but is not true. "painting Medium" is ready to use and can be mixed with Artisan "thinner", NOT linseed oil. Maybe thats the problem.
I used artisan water mixable linseed oil with artisan water mixable thinner, mixtes them together! And it wasn’t a great idea. I didn’t use any traditional oil mediums with the water mixable !
But now I don’t use any mediums, just water and less of it with each subsequent layers!
@@GebahiArtworks oh ok. Just saying cuz in the video you showed that bottles. Ty for the video! Very useful!
@@danielmangetsu1545 no worries! It was a used linseed oil bottle I had, so I used it to put my mixture in it!