Religions and babies | Hans Rosling
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2012
- www.ted.com Hans Rosling had a question: Do some religions have a higher birth rate than others -- and how does this affect global population growth? Speaking at the TEDxSummit in Doha, Qatar, he graphs data over time and across religions. With his trademark humor and sharp insight, Hans reaches a surprising conclusion on world fertility rates.
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"and then I will die" and so you did Hans. May we never forget the wisdom you shared.
It would have been sad if he were never born then, wouldn't it.
He didn't even make it to 70, how sad. :(
Sad that I cannot watch the update on the charts he loved so much narrated by him now in 2020.
There is still a way to visualize them on my own through their website: Gapminder.org
That's a loss. RIP.
#NationsPride
I honestly loved the shots of the audience, showing how all these people with clearly different backgrouds were listening to him with such interest
Hedgy Verona, agreed.
Hedgy i really love the baby in your profile pic..😍so cute
i was more surprised that there were so many expats in doha
yeah, and as if very color categorized so as to tell apart easily...
Totally unrelated: Cute baby profile pic🥰
This guy and his team deserves serious credit for the infographs and how easy they make the complex subject understandable from a statistical perspective.
100%
and its a freely usable resource!
You should read his book: Factfulness. Mucho of the same demographic theme but extremely accessible and well written.
@@ceciliaquental5409 i finished it just now! Awesome book!
Got to love the total denial of laser pointer technology!
The laser point is significantly less visible on small screens. He made a good choice, whether by old habit or conscious intent
I laser pointer would be VERY hard to see on that type of screen. He made the right choice. Wish more people chose the pointer rod.
not a fishing rod though, like he uses
I think it was a fishing pole. "Teach a man to fish ......"
Its unsatisfactory
Hans: "Everyone understands that there is a limit to how many people can live on earth."
Thanos: "Got it."
Maria Therese well, yes and no. He means there is limited resources and space for us all and when we hit that limit the population will decline on it’s own.
@@samanthasherrard162well, yes and no. It was a joke.
Not enough upvotes
tHANoS
*Corona: Got it*
"We have reached Peak Child"
Peak oil up for debate
Good band name. "Goodnight people of Wyoming, we are Peak Child thank you!"
@@brandonmccoy8891 goodnight people we are, we aren't.
2 is the peakest, childs can peak.
I just checked. He died last year to leave a gap for a new baby.
two new babies.
Oh yeah?
RIP Hans...
@New New Milo From Hep C.
Big, big loss. Great man. Thank you for your contributions Sir
Japan has always been an exception, but in truth, we don’t really follow any religion. We just say we are Buddhists because we follow the buddhist funeral rituals. But we easily move to Christianity during Christmas events and marriage. Most of us don’t know what religion is.
Also to add, we might be the only country that wants more children, not less. But we will never see this increase, because conditions are so bad for women. Low profit, few nursing facilities available, and discrimination that still lingers for women who try to both work and have babies in their lives.
I thought japan is great becuase of art, but, uhh..... i guess women here had a bit of bad luck.
That's quite interesting. Here in the nordics we follow a lot of christian events but so many are raised without a religion and stay that way.
Luckily we have pretty good conditions for women taking maternal leave and such.
"Japan has always been an exception" Foreal tho
@@jk56 Still, children per woman are about 1.8 in Scandinavia, so we have the same problem as Japan, women are having fewer children than we need, since a birthrate of 1.8 means about 0.9 girls born per woman. Without immigration, Scandinavian population would steadily decline.
@@adrianroed2178 Pretty much all western countries are in a similar boat. The particular distinction with Japan is their very rigid opposition to immigration in contrast to a country like the U.S. that gets a lot of immigrant labor to fill in the less than 2 per woman child rate of the native born. And then it leads to freakouts by racists who think they're somehow getting replaced.
I love how he commentates on changing statistics as though they're a horse race
Commentates isn't a word
@@sha9543 Try again.
@@sha9543 it most definitely is
So simple yet so smart. Great use of boxes. Visual aids hit the message home.
Necuno huh?
Necuno what Andres said: I have no idea what these sentences are saying.
It simplified it greatly!
That women being educated, & having access to birth control choices, has been substantively proven, repeatedly, over time. Quality of life improves. Take away choice, corrupt or make education less or inaccessible, and all the worst outcomes return.
Unless you can give a universal definition of "quality of life," that is a most unsupportable assertion in context of this video. E.g., if a woman is "happy" bearing/raising 10 children while eschewing higher education, does she not enjoy a commensurate high QOL? Conversely, if a woman has a high-paying executive position, all the trappings that go with it and no children, but is miserable, does she not have a commensurate low QOL? Or do you believe there is no correlation between the poor state of modern families and degradation of our modern, worldwide, societies?
@@DT-52 People generally relate their happiness to how well they fit in with the values of the society they live in. Having children used to be valued more.
@@DT-52 you missed his point.. the most imp part was 'Choice'
Winter, have you read Melinda Gates book? Your comment seems like it supports her findings. I am a fan of it.
D T how happy can you be if you have no choice?
His book “Factfulness” seriously made me change my perspective on the world. RIP sir!
"Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong About the World--and Why Things Are Better Than You Think"
disclaimer: written before corona pandemic
Brezo11 same here
Awesome! Another book goes to my list
@@lm_b5080 Interestingly enough, he does mention his concern about a pandemic several times in the book, and with his background in epidemiology, his prediction was spot on.
Genius! I'm sad that he's no longer with us.
daipaulig he predicted it.
daipa
Akshay Sheth omg I laughed so hard
This is sad and funny at the same time
But I saw him the other day at the hardware store.
The software that he is using is cool and I love his accent
Graphics courtesy of Gapminder Trendalyzer I think. Accent courtesy of Sweden.
He is an interesting man himself
the software is actually a website on the internet. I don't remember the site, but you can make several graphs, gdp, population growth, etc
Really? I can assure you that every Swede, no matter how much they loved Hans, cringes when he talks.
This is just the Swedish way. I still have nightmares about some of the Volvo commercials. Yikes.
@@SomeNiceMovies why do people cringe? You mean when he speaks in English or Swedish?
What program is he using to generate those graphs for this presentation? It's freaking awesome and beats the hell out of my lame excel copy pasted graphs into ppt.
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Flamily planning 😃
This guy is a great public speaker I really enjoyed this talk. I'm also jealous of his graph animation skills.
You can get the tools for yourself (free as in speech) at gapminder.org
This man is crazy!
The way he taught,just wow!!!
A true intellect...
This guy helps so much with my anxiety!
"You don't have to be rich, to have few children." Absolutely.
3rd world can't relate
Random Fjord If you watched the fucking video you would see they do relate instead you’re degenerate life is spent writing racist comments because your preconceived notions of bias are attacked
@@babyboo9252 you mean the people in the audience who are most likely rich enough to attend this event, pretty sure they dont represent the majority of people in those countries given the statistic that 10 % of any given population produces geniuses the majority of people in the world are not smart/intelligent and they will be the demise of the entire planet
Great presentation!
Starting with advanced plotting & stats analyses, yet at the end the simplest and oldest cardboard boxes piles lifted by hand. The abstract and the concrete! The contrast yielded effectiveness.
The man is a master!
The way you wrote this pissed me off. I just want you to know that.
A refreshingly substantive ted talk. Very nice.
That box illustration was brilliant! He's perfected the art of making a simple demonstration of a complex idea.
One of the best presentation skills on ted talk ever. I wanted to give a standing ovation to Mr. Rosling.
Being an Indian I can feel that difference. I am a single child of my parents. But my great grandfather had 7 children
I’m swedish, like Hans btw, and I too can almost feel the difference. My grandad who came from a poor family had 10 siblings. Now no one gets that many kids in Sweden. He himself got two kids. And his daughter, my mother got two kids.
I feel sorry for your grandma who gave labor 7 times, your grandpa did almost nothing tbh
German here. I have two children. My father had five siblings, my father-in-law had six. Both had siblings dying as kids, so what Mr. Rosling says makes a lot of sense to me.
Hans Rosling is an incredible educator. I love his talks.
One of the best TED Talks. Definitely a favourite.
Brilliant visualisation and piece of research.
Stunning presentation. The best I've seen.
This is one the most important talks I have heard from TED, informative and well presented too. Very good work!
he says family planning but what he means is women's rights eg the right for women's access to contraception
Access to contraception is not a right. I have no moral obligation to assist someone in getting an abortion. However you could argue they have a right to not have their access to contraception unnecessarily impeded.
Edit: for some reason 3 years ago i equated abortion with contraception. I don't know why. However it is both true that access to contraception is not a right and access to an abortion is not a right because they both require resources beyond the default. But whether or not it's a right is separate from whether or not it's a good thing for everyone to have. Unwanted children are not good for anyone so it seems obvious that it's probably good to give everyone access to what they need to prevent unwanted children (at least cheap versions of contraception because the vast majority agree it's not murder and it's such a small burden on the taxpayers). It's not like we're at a shortage of humans.
But contraception isn't the same thing as abortion, is it? Otherwise, you do have a point.
Contraceptives are means to prevent ovulation: condoms, 2nd-day-pills etc. Access to contraception should be a right if it isn't in any region of the world. It's to prevent many psychological and financial crises that might erupt within families.
Imagine being sexually active and it being illegal (or not tolerated) in some form to not have a child every time. As long as you are active for let's say a decade, you're likely to have a big big family, which you might not always afford to care for.
And that has everything to do with religion. So basically, his conclusion is wrong.
people say family planning, what they mean is devoid societies from babies and future population decline.
An outstanding way to illustrate and explain this concept! Really well delivered.
I recently was discussing population momentum the other day. This was a GREAT visual to show that concept!
He's assuming no such thing. He's clearly acknowledging the fact that when the survival of the family is dependant on the number of children they have, and if the child mortality is high, people need to have more children.
Half the comments: I don't care what the data says, my preconceived notions and anecdotes are more reliable.
I'm not surprised. My dad still to this day perceive all romani people in Sweden based on what he was told by one romani child in the 1960s. Because we all know the 9 year old kid next door knows everything and is a perfect representative of an entire people and it's not as if you'd remember something wrong or any social progression would happen just because 50 years go by. /sarcasm
Wow, just read through a bunch... you're right.
Seriously, he demonstrated math with blocks visually... but math smath, who cares right, butt yanking to whatever whim fits one's fancy is more enjoyable right?
Rosling is very influenced by his position that anything that Muslims and non whites is doing his okay. He is not the only expert in this field, but he is very promoted by the UN and the likes of TED.
Hugo, Why would you say that under this topic? Are you trying to illustrate OPs point? :)
Hans Tun
Risking builds in a whole load of assumptions into his model. There are other demographers with other less politically correct points of view. One of Roslings assumptions for example is that the excess population in Africa and the Middle East will do no damage to the structure of western societies when their excess population moves. He is also very optimistic about our ability to feed an extra billion per decade. He ignore the massive ecological damage that human over population is doing to the other creatures that live on this planet.
Rosling always conflated immigrants and refugees. He was very in favour of Sweden taking the huge number of immigrants it has taken over the last few years - and look at the disaster that is proving to be for Swedish society.
Wow! It was an intriguing TED talks. Hans rosling, you were rocked on the stage, and the software you were used there is very attractive, and amazing. I have watched many presentation of yours, and I hope this might be one of my favorite, and I wish you many presentation to come in future. Beak a leg!
He passed away a year and a half ago.
that was soo good. thanks for uploading it
Hans Rosling. Never seen a dull video from the guy. Always brilliant and to the point.
Great video one of the best ones I've seen since I subscribed!
Hugely informative.....data and clear analysis and explanation is a wonderful thing.
Loved the manner in which such a complicated issue was shared with sensitivity and simplicity. Thanks
Enlightening and fresh even in 2020. Helped me get a big picture reality trajectory of the world and a clarity of objective that we need to keep in mind when our generation globally holds the positions of key decision makers in the next three decades.
An outstanding presentation!! I would really like to have been in his university lectures. Science made easy and engaging.
it would be really great to see an update of this talk
certainly one of the best presentation on ted
Hans Rosling is awesome. This talk was so simple to understand while being entertaining and educational. I can only recommend his other talks as well.
This guy is an amazing keynote speaker !
What is that dynamic plot software that he is using ?
+osquigene www.gapminder.org/news/upgrade-notes-gapminder-world-offline-version-0-0-7/
+osquigene Hah! Was totally going to comment on how awesome he is as an orator. Instead, I'll just share my sentiments under your comment and be redundant. Teehee :D
+osquigene We used it for a school project once, it's fantastic!
If you make people richer no matter how much wont they use more carbon energy? And then they will have better medical care and live longer also producing more carbon? And even in rich countries are there not people on welfare that have significantly more children and those people are more wealthy on welfare than some of the people in Bangladesh and they are to lazy to work and just have more kids for more money. Do we just give them more money and say you can have it only if you stop having kids? In rich countries the poorer have 4 kids the rich have one or 2. Do we make everyone rich.? And the rich use 5 times more carbon than the poor per person so its like we have 5 poor kids to each rich kid.
Gapminder
I never even thought to think of this, but quite intriguing. Glad someone did the research. :D
Awesome TedTalk. Informative and very ineresting
What a GREAT teacher and pedagog Hans Rosling was. Incredibly complicated stuff is explained in 20 minutes! I'm so impressed every time I listen and watch him lecture! Humor and facts nicely mixed together. 👍❤️
PS. Be sure to also watch his lecture The incredible Washing machine.
RIP Hans Rosling. I’m glad he finished his book. He changed my life
This was a great talk!
I have never before heard a more compact TED talk
I can really learn the way he make the presentation.
"I honestly believed it was a factor, this TED talk has now shown me I was incorrect."
I'm always seeing this kind of intellectual honesty in T.E.D. comments. I love it. :)
Too great
Thank you to hans rosling for his great research and work
THIS IS SUPERB! A very good video - VERY GOOD! Thank you.
Wow. This is where I was introduced to this gentleman today. And in about 1 min in found out he has passed away and I'm so sad about that. I met him, liked him and lost him is 12 mins.
Love this guy for showing, with empirical data and his shifting graph, a clear and salient point.
The only thing I think he doesn't acknowledge, is that unlike what religion frequently pretends, their rules are not an absolute unchangable truth but that rather religion changes with the times, much like other ideas do. Religion IS a factor, not as an absolute block, but as a deterrent in how quickly these factors are allowed to change. Looking at the four factors listed, children survival rate is a matter of biology and healthcare, children needed for work is a factor of economics, neither of which are probably heavily influenced by religion (especially in countries where secular notions of healthcare can legally supersede extreme religious beliefs).
Factors 3 and 4 however, the ability of women to get an education and join the workforce, as well as family planning, IS influenced by religion. A key factor of religion is that it relies on natural law, which are essential traits of a natural order independent of an individuals actual capability or choice. It would be equally naive to say that religious rules have not been historical facors in this matter (determining, for example, the role of women in societies), as it would be to say there hasn't been any improvement in these areas amongst religious ideas. Hans Rosling shows us a great graph of the past 50-60 years, but during this period we've seen amazing strides in women's rights (both in education and in family planning) worldwide that we haven't seen in centuries before these dates. What would happen to his graphs if it took into account not the past 50 years, but the past 500?
To make a horrible pun about his graphs, religion clearly isn't the sole factor but religion helps determine how fast these balls drop.
I agree that religions change over time but that’s because societies have shaped religion in their image. When societal norms change, religion changes. When I was in India many years ago, most people really looked down on me (middle class woman) for working after I had a child. Especially so because my husband had a good job. Nowadays several middle class women work after having a child and it’s not that much of a novelty in any class. That was just society changing and not dictated by my religion (which as it happens has no opinion on professional women)
@@dasikakn Social norms are never a homogenous group, they're heterogenous with religion(s) being one or more factors, every factor vying for as much control as they can.
Society doesn't change without its components changing, the question is which one(s) and what exactly is changing. Sometimes it's religion. Sometimes religion strenuously tries to resist, oppose and overcome the change. It is the different components of society that change each other, with what we call society simply being an overarching (and fairly local) concept.
Many societies have changed, and many societies have become more secular in the process, seperating church and state. India has been a secular state since 1976, but despite such a significant stride it currently has a "cultural nationalistic" party in power whose definition of "Indian culture" strongly favours Hinduism.
On the other hand, the caste system still exists in India, which means a different poilitical factor pulling on society through its influence. Now I am no expert on India and its (caste) politics and religion so I don't know what their exact stance on women is but going by your story, the position of women wasn't all that different from the position of women in developed western nations during the first half of last century. So if their improved position stands, that's great, and we can only hope that lasts.
It should be noted that even in developed western European countries and the USA there are plenty groups who call upon religion or some form of natural law to determine the position of women. I only need to drive for about an hour to hit a community where women are still "encouraged" to be housewives and raise kids. These ideas are obviously not new, they're old, and if these people had their way, that'd be the norm again. If these countries had a strong conservative group rise to power similar to the one in India, it'd risk obliterating women's rights. Sadly we don't always move forwards.
Those boxes at the end may be the simplest and at the same time the best demonstration of an abstract thought I have ever seen.
Absolutely great! Thank You for that!!!
RIP Hans Rosling I miss him and regret never having the chance to meet him
I LOVE the way Hans says "babies per woman." I also love how he makes his points simply and directly. People like Hans are the kind of forward thinkers that *might* get us through this mess we've made as humans.
I did not expect that answer, very happy that I watched the video Thank you Mr. Ted Talk
One of the best Teds!!
Hans: "Everyone understands that there is a limit to how many people can live on earth."
Covid 19: "Got it."
Hans Rosling, the Rock Star of TED indeed.
The world needs more Hans Roslings. Thank you TED, thank you Mr Rosling, we will miss you.
The infographic is a really great job
I love this man so much. I'm still so sad that he is no longer with us. RIP Hans.
Why he dead?
@@doketong5161 He said it himself, old people die.
@@doketong5161 pancreatic cancer
I love his stick soooooo much I can’t even
That was a nice presentation !
This is so extremely important! Hans was a gift to the world
Hans Rosling, he is amazing
He makes me proud to be Swedish! If only i've ever had a teacher like Hans.
Beautifully put!
I love the charts and animations! There's so much data easily accessible there.
I like the idea of considering the connection between religion and number of babies. His approach of taking the average religion of a country is good for general statistics, I think.
I would be interested to see a further study that discusses degree of adherence to a religion in connection with number of babies. In a country that is "on average" a certain religion, I'd imagine that most in that country aren't super devout/only adhere to that religion nominally (at least from what I've seen). Measuring "devout-ness" is certainly less objective than population statistics, but I think there are ways you could do it.
“Religion has very little to do with number of babies per woman.” - *Catholics nod nervously*
*Mormons start to sweat*
*amish start to shiver*
And muslim women and men?
Presenting dry figures in such an amusing and informative way, this guy is a huge talent! 👍
That visual representation was brilliant.
the best ted talk ever. What a demonstration!
Hans Rosling, you are missed, so very much.
He's so charismatic! At somepoint I was listening more because it was him, than because of any interest in the topic
Wonderful, that demonstration with the boxes... and nice to know that people are basically motivated by similar - if not the same - triggers... regardless of religion
This was a very good TED talk.
As income/and/or education increase, women have fewer children and this doesn't change much with religious affiliation. Rosling points out birth rates don't vary much by religion.
I would add that more women entered the workforce in the US over the last 30 years because the value of the dollar has decreased and wages have been flat compared to inflation.
No. Rosling shows that social change as measured by children per woman leads income.
Yes. Rosling said that birth rates don't vary much by religion. can you elaborate more on leads income?
+More Cowbell
"You don't have to get rich to have few children...it has happened all over the world".
That's Rosling's comment at 6:11 and sums it up nicely.
achtungcircus
Thank you for the elaboration.
That is correct, you don't have to get rich to have few children. It is also correct that the more education women receive, the fewer children they produce. This was the basis of my statement.
Yep. Correlation does not mean causation
i don't know why i'm loving it! but i loved it surely :3 😅
Great talk! Great wisdom!
I really wish I had a teacher like him. That was awesome!
of course he took that into account, he clearly showed that more people were living to older age (the "fill-up"), and it was clear that the average life expectancy of the "boxes" demo was increasing (there were more boxes representing older people as time goes on)
If only Infinity War came out during this time, then he could have thrown in some population jokes about Thanos
When he explained the population growth stoping with the boxes that just blew my mind
What an amazing lecture. Love this guy...
True education true pictures
What about the relation of life quality and income
thanks for the good information.
I like Hans Rosling's way of explaining the world, and what I find most fascinating is his work with Ebola and with the decease konzo .
RIP Hans!
Rest In Peace
Great search and explanation
That just blew my mind ... Thx Hans Rosling