FFVII REBIRTH - Critique
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- Опубліковано 25 гру 2024
- Let's discuss the mood and atmosphere of Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. Something is off, and funnily enough, it's got nothing to do with Cait Sith's "throwing boxes" mini game, or Squeenix blowing their "Sephiroth load" every 5 minutes. LINKTR.EE/SRGC
Letting moments breath is key. Silence can speak volumes.
No way! Red learns the truth about his father and gains a new appreciation of his role and duty? IMMEDIATE BLACK MATERIA LORE DUMP!
Dyne dies in your arms and Barret is left to carry on with the weight of his actions on his shoulders. IMMEDIATE PALMER FROG BOSS FIGHT WITH ON RAIL SHOOTING SECTION!
You gotta keep things going. Never stop, never slow down.
This is exactly how I felt. They got the atmosphere totally wrong.
The world of FFVII is a sparsely populated, dying world where everyone is struggling and suffering. The world of Rebirth is full of happy, healthy people having a wonderful time, all the time.
They made Kalm a bustling metropolis, instead of a rundown old mining town where everyone is out of work due to the closure of the Mithryl Mine.
Corel Prison was an absolute joke. It’s supposed to be a place where a knife in the back is never far away.
Cosmo Canyon was an almost religious retreat for the study of the plant but Rebirth turned it into a tourist trap.
It’s a major issue for a lot of modern TV and gaming that the writers are unable to be sincere and serious for more than 2 minutes.
See, I wasn't as bothered by Kalm, but your point still stands. It's simply not right. And I didn't want to get into cosmo canyon for the sake of keeping the video short, but I will say that I was very immersed and excited going into it, and when I left the region, I said out loud "I feel like I am just playing a video game, nothing else" if that makes sense.
The aerith death was the biggest flaws. A half dozen Goodbyes it stole the finality of the moment by keep having her pop up
It definitely breaks the importance of the loss. I didn't want to focus on her in such a short video, but there's something stinky about the end of the game as well.
"The time in between my clapping is Ma. If you just have non-stop action with no breathing space at all, it's just busyness, But if you take a moment, then the tension building in the film can grow into a wider dimension. If you just have constant tension at 80 degrees all the time you just get numb."
- Hayao Miyazaki
Brilliant quote! And fitting. I expect as much from such a wonderful writer.
The best event that Rebirth portrayed well was the Loveless play. It had the acting & dialogue feel of a theater play.
Corel Prison should be renamed Corel Daycare for Meanies. It lacked fear, seriousness, consequences, & eyer of knowing where to go.
@@CJLAKE123 I just replayed the Loveless segment last night and it is so well put together. Agreed !
I loved rebirth, it might be one of my favourite games of all time, even accounting for recency bias, but there can be doubt that Corel prison was very poorly done. The ludo-narrative dissonance of super soilder Cloud who fights monsters, giant mechs and legendary soilders getting taken out by some nameless hencheman with a bat was very jarring.
Very much. And our love for this game is strong. I think if we didn't enjoy most of it so much, we wouldn't so aptly want to touch on the parts that we disliked.
Modernity has turned gaming into a checklist that's the core problem with all gaming. Everyone was fine with the changes made to REMAKE's honeybee inn sequence. The issue is they took that, and put it in Rebirth a thousand times over. Adding all the glitz, and glam, and basically polishing off sections of the game that were supposed to be broody and emotional. Bad guys can't even be bad anymore, and have to be made comical for fear of accidentally appearing intimidating, and making a player feel uncomfortable.
It's just depressing.
@@vekuruz absolutely! "NERFED" the hell out of it. Where is the evil????
@@vekuruz and I've mentioned in a few other comments already that there was tons of things I still loved about the game. But those weak moments that lack tend to hit hard because of that
Completely accurate. The developers were just so unhinged with this game, and in the worst ways. So many times I felt like I was being trolled by the devs with an abundance of mini games made with poor controls to increase difficulty and decrease engagement and enjoyment, purposeless piss poor pacing was pervasive, and cringy dialogue mixed in with beautiful scenes that left you head scratching instead of being in awe.
Yes! I'm not sure if it's largely more or less offensive because of the fact that it wasn't the whole game. As said, there were some GREAT parts. Made the bad ones feel worse IMO
I’m glad they got silly with it. The game felt like the people making it were having fun.
I didn't really focus on the aspects of times that it came across well, as I wanted to emphasize my point on the matter, but there are moments like this that I enjoyed, that didn't take much away from the original meaning as well.
Well aren't you a happy camper.
@@starroadgamecafe Your point came across , it’s a good video.
This is because Rebirth and Remake are way too Meta-textual and self aware.
I am not sure new audiences can really understand what the original story & characters are about.
The FF7RE series presupposes knowledge of having played the original.
But that's clearly the intent of the project.
This is an excellent point. A massively understated premise; both do and don't know all the source material. You will both love and hate the game. (which is how I felt at times)
@@starroadgamecafeThe core story is totally muddled.
I greatly respect rebirth but I gotta admit that it still felt hollow and wanting overall.
Massive emotional monologues sandwiched between fan service or meta winks at the audience.
I dont think that the game ultimately tells the actual FF7 story with any form of clarity. The story felt ungrounded.
Its still a highly impressive game for many other reasons , though.
Totally killed the atmosphere. It is a shame, because in some parts they nailed it or almost could have nailed it. The Aerith scene was an abomination.
I felt that way too, atleast initially.
Rewatching the scene several times though and I prefer it to the original.
When the Aerith scene turned out differently from how we all imagined I went "Yes!" out loud.
But then it kept going and changing and I was just confused. When the boss started I didn't know how to feel.
I specifically didn't want to make a video or comment on Aerith because of how torn I am. Still trying to work out the details of it. Rest assured, I agree with this sentiment, sort of. But also disagree in a small way, due to our most previous video, attempting to theorize what should happen before Rebirth released. This isn't an attempt to get more views, I sincerely would like you to see our last video "Rebirth - Prediction" because it attempts to describe having to tow the line between remaining faithful & managing to subvert expectations/recreate the shock and awe of that scene.
I definitely feel this I loved rebirth, but it is alot in the best and worst ways. I love all the extra side content, but sometimes it feels like they could have done more with less. My favorite scene in rebirth is Barret confrontating dyne, but i also can't help but feel the beautiful simplicity in the original was better. Dyne's death in the orginal felt so real and impactfull, well rebirth feels like a soap opera. Everything is bigger and more dramatic, dyne is presented as more mentaly ill and far gone, barret gets guilttripped, you have a big dramatic fight scene, the shinra soilders kill dyne, then they have the palmer fight right after. Well the orginal was simple but so raw, Dyne is a man that is just like Barret who walked the same path of revenge, but was to fargone to live on. And then as Barret mourns him he detests that they both had blood on their hands he isn't any different from Dyne. And it's such a simple scene but it captures survivors guilt, the nature of life and how unjust and tragic it can be. And you can get as much out of the og Dyne scence as you can read into it. Well Rebirth and it's Dyne scene lays down so much its hard to know what to focus on, it is emotionaly resonant. But it doesn't leave the lasting imapct of the og, both because it doesnt let the scene have time to sink in and breath, and because it isn't as focused as the og game due to the desire to make everything bigger and better
The original is even darker with Dyne. After learning that Marlene is alive he wants to go and kill her so she can be with her mom.
But then Rebirth Dyne has an Akira arm for some reason, so it balances out.
Well said.
I wanted to keep the video short, but The Dyne scene, among others would have been a great middle ground example. It feels... "almost all the way there" but some how diluted.
It has the body but not the soul. I love Final Fantasy, atleast up to 10. After that something left and it never recovered. Im a huge fan of Metal Gear. Love NCAA football games, have loved many games over the years from Disgaea to God of War, Chrono Trigger, Elder Scrolls, NBA Street, Legacy of Kain, Mortal Kombat and 100s of these. Even back to Pokemon when it came out of even Final Fantasy Mystic Quest back on the NES. Im 36 years old and have played/been lost in many game worlds. I remember when FFX was coming out i would have sold my 7th Grade soul just to own the stategy guide and look through all the weapons and stuff before the game was even out. That said, FF7 is my all time absolute favorite game that did something for me i havent reexperienced since. And even so, I played this remake up until i got the buggy after golden saucer and just couldnt force myself to play anymore. That was months and months ago now maybe a year or so idk.. The game is still collecting dust somewhere, i just cant get into putting it back in. Im not complaining, at this point I dont think they could do it right if they wanted to. Final Fantasy is just not gonna be what it used to. The world itself has changed along with cultures and expectations, ive just accepted it at this point lol. Ill just let everybody else pick up a wooden pole and smack a wild dog in the back with it and watch sparks and glitter fly absolutely everywhere while the main character who is supposed to be some kind of hardened warrior emotes like an anime girl 😂
@@jameson2916 "could if they wanted to" is definitely one of my sticking points.
She died in the end, and the future refused to change
-chrono trigger
Rebirth conflicts me. You can tell which moments were done by DEI loving idiots and which parts where done by corporate idiots and which part were done by the actual creatives. From nerfing Tifa and Aerith's body types. Aerith's hips were WAY wider in the original game, along with being one of the girls that made the world go round according to Queen if you know what I mean. They straight up RUINED Cid! No Rocket Town, no interesting story, no Shera... Just... Nothing. Side lined, even made into a piloting dolt for no reason other than they could. Vincent should have been playable there was no way they couldn't have made that work.
Plus some things that really don't add much or anything at all. Spoilers from here I guess.
The Gi created the Black Materia... Okay, Their story didn't add much to the game at all. No screaming planet, the Seto scene was weak, Dyne was no longer an interesting character, Sephiroth is in here too often-and I HATE his voice! I like Tyler Hoechlin but MAN does he not work in the role! Same with Caleb Pierce as Zack, just not their characters. And the ending....... I have no idea what's going on.
But then... The stuff that's good is pretty good indeed. Cloud struggling to keep a grip on reality, Barret is still an awesome character despite some parts of his side stories being butchered, Cait Sith somehow is the show stealer, good gameplay and the majority of the musical score is INCREDIBLE!
I do look forward to a proper remake of the original game one day, but this... alternate timeline is just whack. I think the more fitting name for this series is "Final Fantasy XIII: The Good Version."
We are so torn as well. I've never simultaneously been infuriated and still loved a game as much as we do this. Maybe that was their goal. But it feels like we are being gaslit. Great point about cid. We started ranting about his role in the script but cut it out for time's sake. maybe in another video.
@@starroadgamecafe Oh once I get my set up going again for my main YT channel, expect the mother of all rants. Cid Highwind is one of my favourite characters in FICTION, let alone video games.
But yeah... It does feel a bit like gaslighting doesn't it?
At first, I was kind of glad that the Remake games didn't shy away from the silliness. I guess I was worried that the impact Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts had on the IP would've pushed Square to make it too grim and broody. But, I think they over-corrected. I agree with what you're saying, and I feel the Remake games border on feeling like 'theme-parks' centered on the original.
While the tone and pacing problems failed to elevate the experience of playing the games for me, I'd argue the theme and narrative changes were more actively hostile to my enjoyment. Still, that horse has probably been beaten into paste at this point, so it's nice to hear some less discussed takes.
Good video!
We appreciate that! Thank you. And I set out to make a video with a different angle. But my sticking point is the mood and tone. I've seen a lot of videos regarding pacing issues and story changes, and I agree with some and disagree with others. But ultimately there's some stale things in Rebirth I think most fans can agree on that. It means so much more to find errors in something you love so much. I just hope some of these things can get corrected in part 3
I think your approach on the mood breakers of serious segments is very valid and I believe without any proof other than my observation and conclusion, is the result of people outside the writers and direction who want to make this game more PC, acceptable and safe for as much people as possible treating the gamers with glass gloves. I have seen other aspects of the game where I can see they went out of their way to change or add things to have this "PC and safe for the everyone" angle very evident.
And I know this is a buzz word nowadays, but I strongly believe the DEI department and consultancies are to blame, they are notorious to push "safe" narratives that don't offend or make people feel any sort of discomfort, but the sacrifice when doing this is high and one of the results is trying to minimize the seriousness of what evil looks like, even if it's just a game.
@@DarkScarlatti you may have a point here. While I don't directly agree that the specific nature of PC additions to the game was offense to myself, I see what you are saying. Another notable theory is that they are catering to the Chinese market, which has much stricter guidelines for game ratings and acceptable behaviors for depictions of violence and other taboo themes in their culture. An example of that is the "trail of blood" being absent from remake. We got purple ...... "Energy" stuff..... Instead? Haha
@@starroadgamecafe The Chinese market is a good point, movies have done this all the time so it's not crazy to think SE would do it too.
I wonder how big is the chinese market for them...
Either theory would narrow down to the fact that when they try to bring in everyone to the game they lose grip of a big group of the core audience because they are trying to please everyone while in the end not fully pleasing anyone
If they added original unused material that is good but making to much changes is not really needed i remember the PSX version
Couldn't agree more, the original is probably in my top 10 games of all time but I really struggled with Rebirth - I enjoyed some of the silly scenes (like recruiting all the soldiers at Junon) but it felt way overboard in Rebirth. For me, the original story was so effective because of the grittier atmosphere. I didn't feel at all phased by moments that should have really shaken me in Rebirth. The Dyne scene and the ending were both just so jarring when compared to the original in my opinion.
It also just started feeling like a slog to get through after the first couple of open zones for me, unfortunately. Loved some sections (mostly the ones that strayed close to the original) and enjoyed the combat but was incredibly disappointed to be honest. Glad others have enjoyed it so much though! Can tell a lot of love went into creating it.
It really does feel like that. There are times the game can and can't take itself seriously and they got mixed up in spots. I'm glad there's still love and hope for this trilogy, truly. People need to understand that the criticism is so relevant because of the love we have for the franchise.
I haven't played either Remake or Rebirth (waiting for the trilogy to finish and come to PC), but even without being able to confirm your assessment this is a really good review and makes more sense than many of the critiques I've heard of the game. Great job.
Thanks! We appreciate it. It's certainly not to invalidate any of the other criticisms out there. Some of them are on point. But most importantly, Hopefully all the drab and drama doesn't affect your own personal opinions of the games when you finally get your chance to see for yourself! There is so much between the flaws to marvel at and soak in! Cheers and Happy holidays!
corel prison on rebirth is my biggest gripe on it. let me get this straight. are you telling me that the cast of main characters that has been fighting a big corporation with trained soldiers, fended off a legendary warrior, fended off world threatening monsters so on and so forth wouldnt be able to fend off against some rug tag of down town prison tugs that has comparatibly low budget motorcycles and just a couple of bats?
i can turn a blind eye for cath sith and aerith, but red? tifa? yuffie? all of them capable of handling themselves or at the least escape to hide.
but on top of all that, a top of the line SOLDIER dragged sleep by a normal person with a single strike using a normal bat?
all of them without resistance at all????
yap, sure....
and all of that for what? a chummy chummy "kidnap" situation? which the cast just 'walked in' inside without even trying to do anything at all..
sure.......
its so ridiculous that in my head its all a big joke by the whole team to play around with cloud and make him do all of the chores while they watch with popcorn in hand
also what is lacking is the distinctiveness of colour coding areas the original game had...
e.g. cosmo canyon had a reddish purple sky
e.g. mount corel had a golden sky
e.g. kalm was blue, not grey
...nit-picking, but stuff like this overall contributes to a loss of vibe the original had
@@kevinmcdonald6560 certainly not just a nit-pick. The visuals are a huge part of the mood as well. I agree 👍
I couldn't agree more with you. I know most aren't gonna like my take on the game, but I couldn't finish rebirth, all the dark tones and grit were gone, and added cringey dialog from npc's i care nothing about. I feel the game doesn't understand the original story tones. So i put it down, I may complete it later but i honestly didn't enjoy this title, and a side note I don't believe it should be a multi part game, it felt so disconnected to me, I lost interest in this project, I don't care about part 3.
I completely understand. There were times we almost did the same. But we followed through, and there was still plenty of good. We have a glass half full attitude about the trilogy still. We will see...... Really want part 3 to pull through before giving up.
@starroadgamecafe I'll take your word for it, I'll eventually get thru the game. There are parts of the game that aren't bad, and the game looks stunning, but some choices made by developers left me scratching my head 🤔 lol
@josephcoffey2175 absolutely same. Scratching of the head, if not down right SADDENED!! hahah.
@@starroadgamecafe lol 🤭
Agreed, a lot of these scenes are too overly produced and “flashy” at times which detracts from the tone. Not everything needs to be a grand spectacle.
I still love the game and there’s a lot of great things about it but it’s as if writers have forgotten about using subtlety within storytelling, it’s not just a Rebirth problem either but something I haven’t liked about FF games basically since 13 onwards.
I agree. Couldn't bring myself to complete XIII or XV on that account. It's not just the Combat systems IMO. I don't think the stories are bad by any means, but it's HOW those stories are told that are important.
I think they need to let some moments breathe more. A good example being the end of Red's trial. Keep the music going, and give control back to the player to let them decide when to further the story along, e.g. trigger the cutscene by going back the way you came after a certain distance.
But that's about as far as I'd take it. I don't think most would really want to see these characters bummed out too much of the time. The creators want you to spend time in the world they've built, so if a lot of those chunks of time you're mired in the heaviness that hangs in the air, that could backfire. I think if things like my idea above are implemented, it would be a good compromise. Find more ways to give power to the player for them to curate their own experience when it makes sense to do so.
"Congratulations on accompanying Red to his revelation about his father, OH by the way those bad guys you fought are the ones that made the Black Materia so you'd better forget all that Red stuff and focus on this instead. It might be important in the sequel, maybe."
I don't dislike this take. I can agree for the most part. There certainly would be too much doom and gloom if the atmosphere was maintained 1 for 1, therefore making it difficult to enjoy the world as you stated. But dialing it back just a tad would be nice. As stated, there are times it's enjoyed. But there's a few that really take away from the overall seriousness of the story IMO.
For me, its not Corel that takes the cake, its Nibelheim. OG Nibelheim had me on the edge of my seat. It gave thoughts like this is creepy, this town should be ash, why are there all these people here? They LITERALLY explain the mystery in 2 minutes of being in the town---why not at least wait until the end of the chapter. Corel/Wall Market, no choice with a T rating. I WISH it had some of the grit, but they literally couldn't. Even the dudes following you around and attacking you in Corel, isn't as intimidating. There is no piece of media where the scene of Cloud in the honey bee inn could ever be duplicated. The issue is they probably NEEDED this game rated T to get as many sales as possible, but the OG fans, the dudes who would've spread the hype due to word of mouth are who they really needed to satisfy with this and the changes messed it up.
It's hard to put my finger on it, but I liked Remake *A LOT* better than Rebirth. I felt like I was just going through the motions with Rebirth, where in Remake I was enjoying it the entire time.
I agree. I think the setup to the story was told better. Almost as if they switched gears in writing between the two games.
Strongly disagree with your critique. OG FFVII had a lot of “despair” vs. “sparkle scenes” just as rebirth emulated.
I don't think it's the "whiplash" that bothered me as much though. It's that scenes that were originally "despair" got changed into "sparkle scenes" as you put it. There's an overall lack of "despair" moments that were once there.
@ I have no problem with original feelings being transformed as long as those feelings are compensated elsewhere.
This is a trilogy now, so the pacing will be different. Sad we didn’t get the infamous, “snowboarding after **** death” scene lol
@@jeremygardner3183 that's a fair point. I just need high stakes in part 3 to really pay off the story. Some more serious moments. But yes. Snowboarding. And rocket town!
@ I am confident we get it in all its full glory!
Or
It could be hot garbage.
I’m hoping for the former
I agree with your critique but I wonder if people who have only played the remake games would get the same impression.
My biggest critique of Rebirth is the poor integration of the mini-games/side quests with the flow of the main narrative. Like I complete the story in one town and everyone is ready to move out. But then some new quests pop up and I stay to do them. And even the quest givers are all "Oh, you're still here?"
I heavily agree with this sentiment. A lot of folks complain about the amount of mini-games. it's not that.... It's that they feel disconnected from the main story. As if they were an entirely separate point of production in the game.
I can see your point on this, but Coates in the original was a bit higher class than everyone else in the prison, although not that glamorous l admit. Is anything, it was way too crowdy for that is supposed to be a prison, and they should have locked the side quests until after you were done with this chapter.
The one part that I did mind, though, was the other part you showed at the Cosmo Canyon. It was such a beautiful and intimate moment of your teammates just opening up to you, but now have the city's just there for a (beautiful) ceremony for some reason.
As you said, it's an amazing game and as someone who grew with the original, I'm glad to be able to play it, but they forgot to be quiet, sometimes.
Funnily enough, I never talked to Coates in the original game. Every time I just followed Barret on his way to Dyne, then got sent to Coates like we'd talked. I was too engrossed in Barret's story to explore everywhere.
I absolutely hated Cosmo Canyon in Rebirth. It was so big and crowded that once you got fast travel points I just used those rather than actually move around the place. The vibe of the place felt less spiritual and more like a cult running a tourist spot.
And why the heck didn't we get the Cosmo Canton music fading out as we got further in to Red's trial? They had one job.
Fair point. Yes, why is this a bustling town? "prison" implications nowhere to be seen. "CROWDED" is word I should have used in my video more. Thank you, I will be using this sentiment in future videos. I felt the same about most places, but couldn't put my finger on it.
I’m gonna withhold judgment on that scene until after Part 3 (probably called Reclaim, or Returns). What I didn’t like at all was how they changed Dyne’s death. His original death was much more impactful to Barrett’s arc and narrative theme of the game as a whole.
I think that scene was too tampered with as well. It's a strange one for me personally, because it seems like they ALMOST had it. A near miss. The spirit was there but the execution failed. You're 100 percent right.
square enix should go back to the roots, i cant believe we have no valkyrie profile 2 remaster to this day
Always wanted to try the Valkyrie games, haven't gotten around to them yet!
@@starroadgamecafe In my opinion one of the best JRPGs out there, VP2 has its own Mechanics and a great Atmosphere, but it's huge and you can put a lot of time into it, i should play it again, Happy New Year :)
@@vkt2188 same to you and yours! Cheers!
Im with you on this. Seems like they hide behind those simpler type of theatrics than pulling off zone and mood-building.
I.E. How many times must the VR goggles go on, or we get sucked into a pixel game board quest instead of letting things happen in their world naturally. Heard, Chef!
Couldn't agree more. I didn't hate the game, but I've never went back for a second play through either. I also feel alot of the music remixes aren't great either. Some are don't get me wrong, but more often than not they kinda shit the bed. The weapon theme. However the wall market theme from remake, whoever came up with that needs shot
I've seen these points raised in other videos, but not as focally as you've done here. However, I think holding up the specific decisions of the remake to those of the original do this argument a disservice, the original is a goofy game. Corel prison is a goofy place in the original. It doesn't feel dangerous, it feels like a Saturday morning cartoon depiction of danger.
The way I would frame the argument is that the narrative of Rebirth is discordant with the environmental and atmospheric storytelling within its own game. Corel Prison looks like yet another undercity, underfoot of Shinra, a place people can't climb the ladder out of. But most of your time isn't spent engaging with this as you haven't been condemned there, now you're an outside investigator being exploited to win a Chocobo race. To the original's credit, the Chocobo race after Dyne was a fitting moment, that ultimately Barret's personal tragedy is completely ignored and even though the party established Barret's innocence, they still needed to barter in commercial entertainment value in order to rightfully be freed. In Rebirth, the chocobo race has no such contrast or framing, never mind that of the original. If they replaced it with some other message or narrative, it would be fine, but instead its presence feels entirely mechanical, just to introduce chocobo racing and because it was there in the original. It's there because it's fun, not because it serves an important narrative role.
I think Rebirth prioritizes fun too much. Sometimes the mood of the story or the environment shouldn't be fun. If there's any comparison to be made in the original, it's not with its specific choices but that it understood how to balance its various moods and emotional beats. Rebirth is obsessed with squeezing as much fun out of every moment and place, and that's what undermines it in my opinion.
Perfect critique, the game should have been called FF7: Whiplash
I just responded to another comment about how "crowded" everywhere felt. I thought that was a good point too. Not just whiplash, also, why are there so many people here? This isn't supposed to be a city.
I enjoyed the story,
I enjoyed the characters,
I enjoyed the combat,
I enjoyed the areas(for the most part),
I liked Queens blood,
I did not enjoy looking for towers in every single area, i found myself being burnt out that i had to take a break for a few days during my first play, i would have prefered if they made progression to areas more liner with branching areas for side content. Wish they would have used the resources they spent on most of the world intel activities into more interesting side quests or a conversation system like in fire emblem to enhance the relationships between the characters.
Overall for me the game was an 8/10.
I can mostly agree with this take. I think more love should have been put into the atmosphere of certain events and regions still. We didn't want to touch as much on the open world quests, but yes, the towers and relic quests got stale and exhausting. I can't bring myself to complete them all. Not worth the payoff.
I will disagree, FF7 was a goofy game all around, if you take corel, as somber in the original, I sugest you play it again, all the thugs but Dyne are goofying around, we had the chocobo carriege bringing you back when you kept fainting in desert, always the non-chalant cloud shrug emote 🤷♂.... wow what a depth and despair
The problem is that the nostalgia of playing the game back in the day makes you think that the game is better than it really was, just that.... the OG is great is my favorite game of all times, but compare the cosmo canyon, mt nibel areas with the original, or Kalm and Costa Del Sol and Gongaga (which was missable in the OG), they made a 30h movie worth in this game
@@phgo91vga I'm not saying o.g. didn't have it's fair share of goofy moments. But I'm not sure it's nostalgia making the serious moments feel less serious. Take the Kalm flashback, as an example. Specifically Sephiroth's descent to madness in the reactor, gave me all of the same emotions that the original scene did. I just couldn't feel that same faithfulness in the Corel Prison area, and a few other spots.
Never thought about this
Remake and Rebirth are their own games, I don’t compare them to the original PS1 title.
That's fair, I think part of why I do enjoy them so much is they stand on their own. I just can't help to want some of those moments they do share more faithfully.
Even with the original FF7, I felt the story went off the rails once you left Midgar. Now with the pacing, loss of atmosphere from the original, I'm just going to watch a playthrough of Rebirth instead of sinking another 200 hours as I like to get platinum trophies. Also, the amount of sidequests and minigames is absurb in my opinion. I'm a firm believer you can do more with less. I wouldn't mind a pocket edition of this game like they did with FF15. Nonetheless, it's an incredible feat in gaming. But I would be overwhelmed with the sheer scale and scope of FF7 Rebirth. Mind you, I'm saying this as someone who played and platinumed all the Legend of Heroes Trails series so far.
It was my understanding that Ever Crisis was supposed to be just that. Admittedly I haven't played beyond about 30 minutes of the game, but from what I saw, they couldn't even get that right. Although I can't judge until I play more of it.
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Only critique that holds any water. Love the R series very much almost to the point to consider it superior to the OG but the lack of contrast in these games does detract from their perfection
But mr coates has always been sassy like this. This is such a weird video. You complained when the remake didnt look like the original, but also complained when the remake did look the original.
Have you seen the tilt shift video of ff7 remake? Suddenly everyone is praising the atmosphere of wall market, saying it managed to capture the essence of og ff7 (despite it's still the same place from ff7 remake)
Not sure I follow your comment. My only complaint with Remake is that there were a few moments that should have felt more serious, as they did in the original game. Overall I felt Remake was a great game!
Oh God, whatever. If they didnt have the dazzle and glitter as you called it, the developers would have been accused of the typical criticism of open world games of being dreary and empty. I dont think the emotion was missed at all.
If I worked at SquareEnix I think I'd be afraid of replicating the original's sometimes dreary tones too. These days you gotta sand off the rough edges, make it dazzle and gleam. Can't stop, can't slow down. Gotta keep goin'. That's how you sell copies.
Not against the dazzle and glitter. I'm against changing a main story scene that previously was dreary, into said dazzle. As stated, there were moments of it I loved. It's kind of a "add what you'd like, but don't take too much from classic key moments" rule I wished had existed.
@@starroadgamecafe Fair enough. Sorry for the rough edge, I was having a day..
@@Eternal6k no need to apologize! There is lots of criticism out there against rebirth and much of it does seem nitpicky and excessive. We truly love the game regardless of it's flaws. It's a masterpiece. We just feel bothered by specifics that seem to be an easy fix in the circumstancial writing. Cheers! And happy new year!!!
@@starroadgamecafe you are spot on and very kind. Have a wonderful new year!
The game is trash.
@@manik6252 I really don't think it's trash. It's a huge open world (ish) game with a lot of fun moments. It's just so starkly different from its predecessor sometimes. (Not all) That it's 💯% fair to say if you were a fan of the original, you might get pissed off. No qualms there
L take, fucking loved gus. The juxtaposition between the grime and those on top is a major theme of the setting.
That's a fair opinion. But what about the setting of Corel Prison? Or, in the case of Rebirth, another busy under city with, seemingly, not a lot of grit?
@ there’s the weapon shop owner that tells you to fuck off, fairly tough enemies in the surrounding desert for that point in the game, and just as much seedy shit and human trafficking as wall market. It doesn’t seem intimidating but then again we already know no character will die there and our party fight deities and a world government on the reg so I really don’t see how any of these characters would come off more scary if done differently. I also think that while Gus is played charismatic that a character like that involved in crime is often much more imposing than an eye patched mob boss that never smiles. You see that more when you do the side quest in his arena and Gus has some pretty spontaneous bouts of anger sprinkled in