Thank god I'm done with this train wreck. Thank you every one that kept me sane on twitch. If you want to join me for streams in the future then come give a follow! www.twitch.tv/jarek4gamingdragon
I appreciate that you are pretty objective about the games you play. You don't say you have a bad time unless it's warranted. Not many people like that these days. 👍
"There's a lot of backstory to this game that you will never get unless you read the Wikipedia page." Nice to see not much has changed for Digital Extremes in that regard.
Honestly I feel like they just make the game for themselves and they’re glad people actually play it lmao. The backstory is so spread out and makes no sense, but they keep adding to it lol.
I felt the exact same way about Digital Extremes's previous game "Pariah." The storytelling was pretty much nonexistent for the most part. All I remember was that I had to keep chasing after that girl who kept either running away or getting captured, while the game drip-fed awkward exposition during certain cutscenes. The Shroud War was never explored, and the Shroud themselves were only actually revealed in the very last level.
This is one of those games you'd find in Walmart barging bins and/or Gamestop discount sections years after it released, and for some reason you'd get a hold of it and either play it once or a shit ton. Ahh, the joys of being a poor, young gamer in the 2010's.
10:00 It’s so jarring seeing the Excalibur Proto skin in another game. I knew it was based off this game, but I thought it was only roughly based on Hayden Tenno’s design. I had no idea it was ripped directly from the game.
Whole game was conceived as a futuristic space action (basically warframe, sans the grind and multiplayer), but then problems with development hit, and Digital Extreme cobbled together some assets and inserted them into "soviet spy shooter" game. And there you have it, Grineer soldiers are elite goons, alien frog/lizard things are bosses and all that is set in the fictional soviet country, with AK as your go-to weapon. It looks schizophrenic as hell, some parts of the game clearly weren't made for this kind of setting.
@@quint3ssent1a "problems in development hit" It wasn't a problem in development, the publisher made them totally redo the game because "Sci-Fi doesn't sell."
Yea, the developers didn't realize the game either. DE's creative director always does streams before a major update, and in the latest one he was asked about dark sector. He said something amoung the lines of "if we ever get around to touch dark sector the first thing I'd do is completely rewrite the game" Honestly I really want that to happen someday. DE is very capable of doing a compelling story as it was shown in pretty much every quest in warframe, so it would be interesting to see a single player game that they have full control over.
15:30 "Even if I don't care for Warframe myself, I can still say it's a good game, even if it's not for me" Everybody who you pissed off before liked that
Theory: Hayden Tenno has an infested arm, yes the infestion from Warframe. According to the Warframe lore, warframes were created using Helminth (an infested being). When the Orokin were exposed to infestion, they turned into a sword-like material. This happened to Hayden Tenno.
Life cycle of your average warframe player: Newbie: oh man wtf do i do Mid game: oh man i have so much stuff to do Near end game: Oh man I'm strong and I'm ready to take on even stronger enemies. End game: oh man where is the end game And then after more than 1000 hours, warframe is shoved to the side because there's nothing to do except waiting for new content to drop which either lasts a week or is garbage. And after 2 or 3 such updates, they completely quit
To be honest its kinda neat seeing what from Dark Sector was put into Warframe, gameplay mechanic wise. Such as the elemental stuff, the glaive itself (and the ability to detonate it), a not so "recent" edition of having the glaive and a secondary out together, and seeing the origin of Ivara's navigator ability (controlling the flight of a projectile). Just ya know, massively improved and smoothed out compared to the jank of Dark Sector.
This game was supposed to be different, you can google old trailer of dark sector and it shows that the game was taking place in space and mostly look like warframe than they did THIS dark sector and than they used old materials from dark sector 1.0 for warframe
They officially said Dark Sector is NOT a prequel and inspired Warframe only in the art and some concepts. The Excalibur proto skin does say it's "the first tenno" but it actually doesn't link DS with WF, rather now with Umbra it seems like the whole description to the proto skin has been scrapped canonically as well (Umbra is now the describer of the first warframes and it's much fancier an appearence).
Ah, the Gears craze, also known as the dark ages of third person shooters. When every game had ugly desaturated graphics, boring cover-based combat, regenerating health, weapon limits and a laughably edgy tone. They aged so badly that I forgot most of them even though I played at least half a dozen. In my memory they all blur into one dull greyish mess. Thanks for reminding me.
Except Vanquish, Binary Domain and Max Payne 3 which came in the same gen... But guess what, no one played them other than a cult following (of which I'm a part of).
If i remember correctly, development on Dark Sector was stopped when it was still in its very early stages I believe the reason was that the devs no longer wanted to develope it? Something like that it "did not became what it should have been". This was a loooong time ago though.
They made an early prototype of Warframe back in the day and had to publish it as Dark Sector because they needed some money I think Later on they started making the actual Warframe if I remember correctly
Dark sector came to being when DE went around showing their concept of what later became warframe. But publishers were like "yeah nah, make it cold war era and a cover shooter" so they made it just that, and it turns out that this is what happens when you force a project to something it was never supposed to be. On another note, the original comment tries to answer a question that was already answered in the actual video. In fact, the question was answered right as the question was asked. I know it's hard sometimes to not comment before finishing the video, but at least try to watch the video before commenting.
Publishers made them change the concept because "Sci-Fi doesn't sell." Nowadays those publishers literally come to DE asking how they made Warframe work.
I beat many B-games because I enjoy playing them. I notice a lot of "underrated" games are being discussed generation later as if they were good. Singularity and Dark Sector were ones I remember being talked so often for being how "actually good" they were. As a person who beat both, I could never agree to it. I've subscribed Jarek for showing me so many hidden gems that I can easily buy on Steam. When this popped up on my feed, I was afraid Jarek was going to say this is a hidden gem (I love his "actually good" analysis videos and found many great games), but I was relieved to know what he really thought of it. Keep up the awesome work, Jarek and I hope to see more of hidden gem analysis videos!
Thanks for the comment and I'm glad you enjoy my videos. I majorly can not agree about singularity though. It was a very solid FPS from a legendary developer. I actually made a video about it in the past.
Jarek, I love how you address the people who complain about you bringing up certain aspects of a game with such a nonchalant, I’m going to do it anyway, attitude. I really appreciate a game reviewer that strongly stands their ground about quality and critiques every little detail of a game. Thanks for the great content man!
This was a cool game, like a hybrid of Gears of War and Resident Evil 4. Also noteworthy is that this was the first game to ever be announced for the Xbox 360 and PS3, back in 2004 before those consoles were even officially unveiled.
Holy shit I haven't seen this dude in years. Used to love his content on airsoft back in highschool. Cool to see Jarek still going strong at the UA-cam game
i used to watch your airsoft videos back in the day. just came upon your gaming channel for the first time in years and i love the music from Legendary! keep it up!
As I was hearing your critique, the TimeSplitters music made the gameplay look way more interesting! Sad to say that DE hasn't learned much from rushing games; especially with the last two major updates in Warframe. I do appreciate what DarkSector was trying to different and I thank you for your honest review
Thank you for putting Prequel in parenthesis properly, since it's not a prequel in the usual sense. Warframe is a spiritual successor, rather than a sequel, so while they are related they don't exist in the same universe. As an example, Hayden Tenno from Dark Sector never existed in Warframe.
Years ago I really tried to enjoy Warframe. On paper, it had everything that could make a F2P game "perfect", so I thought that I should give it a try. But, the game itself, was just endless grinding. Forced myself through 10 hours to see if I would find something interesting, that would at least keep me playing, but no. I definitely tried. Since then I never touched it again.
I love how cheeky DE can be when they say Dark Sector is not related to Warframe lore wise. Simple solution to that: the Duviri Paradox and it's implied potential for multidimensional hijinks.
As an avid Warframe player I can honestly say that I understand where your view of Warframe comes from. It is not for everyone. I will give my view of it vs Dark Sector for those interested. One thing Warframe did that many people dislike is that they intentionally leave much of the backstory obscure at the start, only giving you a hint. As you play the game you can come across codex entries, descriptions of prime items, even data files to read in the Sanctuary about past stories of different people, and then you learn more as your character starts to remember their past. I have yet to see evidence of this in the game Dark Sector. Many people I have seen play this game say that they wish they had more backstory and a better explanation to what is happening, even it you have to search for it. The way it happens with Warframe where I have to search for it makes me feel like I accomplished something and makes the information more valuable to me since I had to work for it. I Also believe that Dark Sector turned out poorly as a result of poor choices and regulations set in place by the publishers. Even Digital Extremes has stated numerous times that they were not happy with how Dark Sector turned out and that they basically felt like it was the hot trash they were forced to produce rather than what they wanted. When DE tried to get Warframe published no publisher would touch it because they all claimed that it was doomed for failure and they wanted it changed entirely into something that it just was not meant to be and DE eventually decided that they would go through all the trouble and hard work to publish it themselves. If they had done what they had with Dark Sector and given into the demands of the publishers they probably would have been forced to produce another hot mess that they would ultimately hate. Lesson from this, maybe publishers should be more lenient about how the developer wants to make their games. I mean, the publisher does have to keep its own interests guarded but Dark Sector versus Warframe is evidence to what happens when a publisher is to strict and refuses almost all freedom of development compared to the true art that can come when they are given some freedom. I am not saying that Warframe is the perfect game but it turned out as good as it did because DE was able to freely make what they had envisioned.
When Jarek mentioned the standing up out of cover to shoot I immediately had this thought in my head, "did naughty dog secretly make this game" because the entire Uncharted series has that kind of issue as if its a staple to the series.
I'm pretty sure Dark Sector was banned here in Aus for being violent and gory. In any case, I don't think I ever saw it on a shelf. I remember reading about it in a gaming magazine, where they made a big deal out of their revolutionary smoke effects, how the smoke would behave realistically and swirl around the glaive and stuff like that.
I have spent hours trying to like warframe honestly I just cannot like it I dont want to wait several hours to use a weapon or literally 3 days for a prime it's so unenjoyable I'd rather play Modern Warfare or half life or anything else
I enjoy warframe enough to put thousands of hours into it, but yeah the new player experience is a total slog/trainwreck. DE have this habit of leaving old systems to die while they find a new thing to fuck up. *cough* lichs and railjack *cough*. That said the movement in WF is one of my favorite things about it tbh.
CAPTAINDIPLOCK i agree with you there mate, i couldn't enjoy it neither, warframe can become a huge slog if you don't know what to do, i rather play some old tactical shooters. However, my little brother loves it, he has done some unreal things there, like quick farming a lot of primes while disposing of others because they weren't useful, and showing me videos of new frames in the hope of getting me hooked. tch, tch, poor lad.
I just played Dark Sector, yes its cluncy and sometimes unfair, but when it came out most of the games was like that.Kinda remind me of Infernal. And that Warframe comment is understandable, but the story and the universe will get you if you look away from the grind. The most popular games nowdays are the same, hell even put casino in the game for a 60$ price. The only problem with the game is the devs want a jack of all trades game, but never finish gimics. And now its not a small company anymore. But i still like the game because it gives a fighting sandbox. dark Sector also have some hidden features, like if you throw frozen glaive into a waterstream it creates an ice cover. Or eletricity in the water. Also you got powers like shield and absorb and explode the elemental energy. But the blackmarket sucks. The weapon mods also useless and unequipable from a weapon. Great review tho.
Darksector can be considered a technical prequel to warframe, since it was the first game using the new engine developed by Digital Extremes. Hey jarek can you review Rainbow six Raven shield, or the Swat series of shooters?.
Dunno, for some reason i don't remember Dark Sector being overly difficult or too long for the sake of it. About weapons... yeah, you're probably going to have enough money for 2, maybe 3 guns, but some of them aren't that useful anyway. Probably should replay it too, maybe i have forgotten too much about this game.
Fecking hell I remember playing this ages ago on a crappy rig and actually wanting to know ow what the name of this game was just out of curiosity but your video showed me why I didn't remember much about this game great video!
My theory is that you are playing as umbra in a alternate universe where the contents of the Origin system are man made , did nyx ever get a proto armor skin
This game's name sounded familair as well as the game cover, turns out I'm pretty sure that I watched rasan69's playthrough of the game like four years ago. The strangest part is despite not even looking at that channel for YEARS I still remembered this game being played by him. I also remember that there are two playthroughs of his I never finished watching.
The same people made Pariah 3 years prior, which is like a toned-down, bland and consolified Unreal 2 and The Darkness II 4 years later, which turned out rather solid, the entire lineup of these developers is a mixed-bag of games ranging from bargain-bin jank to something serviceable...but it's the kind I love exploring more than anything mainstream, and I'm always happy to see you cover them, it's far more interesting to see different views on argueable games as opposed to an already praised-to-death game receiving all the more praise from yet another youtuber.
I played this not too long ago because I was always curious about it. I strongly agree with most of your criticisms but I oddly found myself really enjoying some parts of the game
I understand your criticism towards it, however, back in the day, this was one of a few games that would run on my shitty outdated computer , therefore I had tons of fun with it. Keep doing these great reviews.
Somebody correct me if Im wrong - but I remember being able to charge the glaive, control it and angle it around the shield enemies to clip them in the shoulder which makes them drop their shields? Definitely not obvious and Im not even sure if I am remembering correctly since its been so long.
Yes, the ability is called Aftertouch. You unlock it later in mission 2. You throw the glaive then hold C, it brings you into a slowmotion effect with the camera centered on the glaive, able to control it entirely.
I played this briefly on Xbox 360, I don't know how far I got but once the glaive gimmick wore off it was boring and tedious. Also that button on the other side of the fence was a royal bitch to hit using a gamepad. The glaive turn speed is sooo slow and you had to pass it between the fence and skybox. *Insta fail if you hit the freaking sky 3 feet above the fence!!!*
As someone that really liked this game, I really do agree with a lot of the points you make. I played it a couple years ago again, and I remember how frustrating the game honestly comes off. The glaive is a really cool weapon to use, and it's honestly my main melee weapon when I Play Warframe, but in this game it is kind of a pain.
Eh I played warframe and enjoyed it but it's not really perfect or something to praise. More less just a fun free action game for what it is, but like I said there's nothing unique or that amazing about it.
Yep i play it on and off to be honest, i spend a few weeks being awesome and doing cool ninja shit and killing Grineer then after a few weeks i burn out because i get tired of waiting and crap and it's just... grruuuuh.. but then i come back after a breather for the lore and features and new awesome open worlds to explore and stuff and burn out then come back, it's not like DC universe online where i come back because im really really bored, but more like Metal Gear Solid V
I remember being 9 years old and asking my dad if we could return it half way through the game. Pretty obvious indication the game sucks if a 9 year old doesn’t like it haha
Dark Sector is interesting. While the game was released in 2008 for 360 and PS3, the PC version was originally slated to be out alongside the console versions, but the game just kind of fell on the wayside and people thought it was cancelled. Then in 2009, on a random youtube channel no less, proof of the game being played on PC was posted, and apparently the PC release was limited to Russia; not too surprising since a lot of random ports showed up on PC only for Russia, such as 2005 NARC being released there in 2008. The version on Steam is a fan translation of the Russian game, and the game was ported to PC by Russian publisher Noviy Disk, who also ported FROM Software's Ninja Blade. In addition to the weird bugs and lackluster settings, the PC version omits the online multiplayer mode from the console release, though some sources say you can use hamachi or the like to sort of have online multiplayer.
Honestly if there were alternatives to the glave like a sword/axe or a harpoon to pull enemies it could have been pretty cool, maybe even with some kind of platforming mechanics and a stealth function for the sui-ooooohhhhh that's what warframe was
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THIS GAME FOR LITERAL hours. It's been in the back of my mind for years but the sum total of all the time I've spent trying to find its name is probably only a couple hours.
I vaguely remembered this game, I had no clue what it was called nor have I ever seen gameplay this is wild. Also big respect to the "Legendary" soundtrack in the background
I remember when this game was initially announced at E3, wowed everyone and then disappeared for a couple years and completely changed when it was finally released
Blame their publishers which ruined the game even DE themselves hated the direction they made dark sector go towards and stopped developing it half way through but the publishers decided they wanted to go with cold war stuff
you should give Terminator Resistance a shot. The voice acting is crap, but I've found the characters themselves to be very good. It's obvious that it's made by a small team with a limited budget, but the world feels good and sucks me in. The tense parts had me holding my breath at times and you can tell it was made by true fans of the series.
Thank god I'm done with this train wreck. Thank you every one that kept me sane on twitch. If you want to join me for streams in the future then come give a follow! www.twitch.tv/jarek4gamingdragon
Hey Jarek, just curious as to whether you do streaming and reviews as a full time job nowadays. You put out great content surprisingly quickly.
Yup! This is what I do full time.
I appreciate that you are pretty objective about the games you play. You don't say you have a bad time unless it's warranted. Not many people like that these days. 👍
Completely unrelated to your usual content, but what hat is that
So to be clear Dark Sector itself is an ok game in your mind just the port is bad?
"There's a lot of backstory to this game that you will never get unless you read the Wikipedia page."
Nice to see not much has changed for Digital Extremes in that regard.
lmao
Honestly I feel like they just make the game for themselves and they’re glad people actually play it lmao. The backstory is so spread out and makes no sense, but they keep adding to it lol.
Chief Boogie Bang and the enemy dmg
I felt the exact same way about Digital Extremes's previous game "Pariah." The storytelling was pretty much nonexistent for the most part. All I remember was that I had to keep chasing after that girl who kept either running away or getting captured, while the game drip-fed awkward exposition during certain cutscenes. The Shroud War was never explored, and the Shroud themselves were only actually revealed in the very last level.
This is one of those games you'd find in Walmart barging bins and/or Gamestop discount sections years after it released, and for some reason you'd get a hold of it and either play it once or a shit ton. Ahh, the joys of being a poor, young gamer in the 2010's.
Low and behold I actually found it at Walmart for 10$, many years ago
I borrowed it and then got it used, one friend told me he played the demo, but he thought the boss fight in the church was too difficult
This is the same way I got introduced to RAGE and I loved that game.
I just picked it up for $1 at a thrift store lol
10:00 It’s so jarring seeing the Excalibur Proto skin in another game. I knew it was based off this game, but I thought it was only roughly based on Hayden Tenno’s design. I had no idea it was ripped directly from the game.
RuffleRaven INC also notice how the shield guy at the same ten minute mark is the Grineer shield guy
Whole game was conceived as a futuristic space action (basically warframe, sans the grind and multiplayer), but then problems with development hit, and Digital Extreme cobbled together some assets and inserted them into "soviet spy shooter" game. And there you have it, Grineer soldiers are elite goons, alien frog/lizard things are bosses and all that is set in the fictional soviet country, with AK as your go-to weapon. It looks schizophrenic as hell, some parts of the game clearly weren't made for this kind of setting.
@@quint3ssent1a "problems in development hit"
It wasn't a problem in development, the publisher made them totally redo the game because "Sci-Fi doesn't sell."
Nyxs design was ripped straight from nemesis as well
ripped isnt an accurate definition for what is actual legacy skin
Yea, the developers didn't realize the game either.
DE's creative director always does streams before a major update, and in the latest one he was asked about dark sector. He said something amoung the lines of "if we ever get around to touch dark sector the first thing I'd do is completely rewrite the game"
Honestly I really want that to happen someday. DE is very capable of doing a compelling story as it was shown in pretty much every quest in warframe, so it would be interesting to see a single player game that they have full control over.
>Honestly I really want that to happen someday.
About that lol
I want a dark sector remake so bad… The game has such high potential… however being forced to change it so much caused issues
@@Blank137 Right?! 1999 is most definitely the rewrite to dark sector and it's being made cannon.
15:30
"Even if I don't care for Warframe myself, I can still say it's a good game, even if it's not for me"
Everybody who you pissed off before liked that
Theory: Hayden Tenno has an infested arm, yes the infestion from Warframe. According to the Warframe lore, warframes were created using Helminth (an infested being). When the Orokin were exposed to infestion, they turned into a sword-like material. This happened to Hayden Tenno.
Amazing these guys went from this to Warframe.
Hell hi name is TENNO an basically becomes a warframe later in the game, even excalibur in warframe has a skin based on this character.
Just wait till you play warframe for long enough. You will hate it
Life cycle of your average warframe player:
Newbie: oh man wtf do i do
Mid game: oh man i have so much stuff to do
Near end game: Oh man I'm strong and I'm ready to take on even stronger enemies.
End game: oh man where is the end game
And then after more than 1000 hours, warframe is shoved to the side because there's nothing to do except waiting for new content to drop which either lasts a week or is garbage.
And after 2 or 3 such updates, they completely quit
@@nomercy8989 absolute right haven't touched it for almost 2 years
@paulex5 7 bro why you describing me?
To be honest its kinda neat seeing what from Dark Sector was put into Warframe, gameplay mechanic wise. Such as the elemental stuff, the glaive itself (and the ability to detonate it), a not so "recent" edition of having the glaive and a secondary out together, and seeing the origin of Ivara's navigator ability (controlling the flight of a projectile). Just ya know, massively improved and smoothed out compared to the jank of Dark Sector.
Im a little dissappointed that you didn't cover how this game is related to Warframe. Still, good vid
This game was supposed to be different, you can google old trailer of dark sector and it shows that the game was taking place in space and mostly look like warframe than they did THIS dark sector and than they used old materials from dark sector 1.0 for warframe
@el negro warframe and dark sector are not cannons, DE just used the same universe design to make warframe.
Warframe is a spiritual successor to warframe, that's probably why. So while it's related, they don't exist in the same universe.
Dark Sector is a game designed by DE's investors. Warframe is the 'Dark Sector' DE always wanted to make.
They officially said Dark Sector is NOT a prequel and inspired Warframe only in the art and some concepts. The Excalibur proto skin does say it's "the first tenno" but it actually doesn't link DS with WF, rather now with Umbra it seems like the whole description to the proto skin has been scrapped canonically as well (Umbra is now the describer of the first warframes and it's much fancier an appearence).
Ah, the Gears craze, also known as the dark ages of third person shooters. When every game had ugly desaturated graphics, boring cover-based combat, regenerating health, weapon limits and a laughably edgy tone. They aged so badly that I forgot most of them even though I played at least half a dozen. In my memory they all blur into one dull greyish mess. Thanks for reminding me.
I thought you were crowbcat for a sec :<
What you said was true though
Hang on your profile pic is max payne is it not?
I hate it too. Yeah, gears were great, blah blah blah... but why all other games have to look like brown-ish shit?
Except Vanquish, Binary Domain and Max Payne 3 which came in the same gen... But guess what, no one played them other than a cult following (of which I'm a part of).
Hey! Army of Two did a pretty damn good job!
If i remember correctly, development on Dark Sector was stopped when it was still in its very early stages
I believe the reason was that the devs no longer wanted to develope it? Something like that it "did not became what it should have been". This was a loooong time ago though.
They made an early prototype of Warframe back in the day and had to publish it as Dark Sector because they needed some money I think
Later on they started making the actual Warframe if I remember correctly
Dark sector came to being when DE went around showing their concept of what later became warframe. But publishers were like "yeah nah, make it cold war era and a cover shooter" so they made it just that, and it turns out that this is what happens when you force a project to something it was never supposed to be.
On another note, the original comment tries to answer a question that was already answered in the actual video. In fact, the question was answered right as the question was asked. I know it's hard sometimes to not comment before finishing the video, but at least try to watch the video before commenting.
Publishers made them change the concept because "Sci-Fi doesn't sell."
Nowadays those publishers literally come to DE asking how they made Warframe work.
I beat many B-games because I enjoy playing them. I notice a lot of "underrated" games are being discussed generation later as if they were good. Singularity and Dark Sector were ones I remember being talked so often for being how "actually good" they were. As a person who beat both, I could never agree to it.
I've subscribed Jarek for showing me so many hidden gems that I can easily buy on Steam. When this popped up on my feed, I was afraid Jarek was going to say this is a hidden gem (I love his "actually good" analysis videos and found many great games), but I was relieved to know what he really thought of it. Keep up the awesome work, Jarek and I hope to see more of hidden gem analysis videos!
Thanks for the comment and I'm glad you enjoy my videos. I majorly can not agree about singularity though. It was a very solid FPS from a legendary developer. I actually made a video about it in the past.
Jarek, I love how you address the people who complain about you bringing up certain aspects of a game with such a nonchalant, I’m going to do it anyway, attitude. I really appreciate a game reviewer that strongly stands their ground about quality and critiques every little detail of a game. Thanks for the great content man!
This was a cool game, like a hybrid of Gears of War and Resident Evil 4.
Also noteworthy is that this was the first game to ever be announced for the Xbox 360 and PS3, back in 2004 before those consoles were even officially unveiled.
Holy shit I haven't seen this dude in years. Used to love his content on airsoft back in highschool. Cool to see Jarek still going strong at the UA-cam game
i used to watch your airsoft videos back in the day. just came upon your gaming channel for the first time in years and i love the music from Legendary! keep it up!
I remember reading about this in Game Informer on the toilet
I love this comment
4:00 Dark sector:game has bare colours
Warframe: "how many colours do you want this time?"
DE: *yes*
It's worth a shot if you're a warframe fan, can definitely agree with the issues you brought up tho having finished it just recently
It’s scary how many flaws this game has in common with WF
As I was hearing your critique, the TimeSplitters music made the gameplay look way more interesting! Sad to say that DE hasn't learned much from rushing games; especially with the last two major updates in Warframe. I do appreciate what DarkSector was trying to different and I thank you for your honest review
Man for some reason I remember this game fondly.
Fun piece of trivia. Glaive is weapon from the 1983 movie Krull. Great little fantasy flick.
Thank you for putting Prequel in parenthesis properly, since it's not a prequel in the usual sense. Warframe is a spiritual successor, rather than a sequel, so while they are related they don't exist in the same universe. As an example, Hayden Tenno from Dark Sector never existed in Warframe.
Dark Sector has a REALLY cool concept that I wish that they done better with
Years ago I really tried to enjoy Warframe. On paper, it had everything that could make a F2P game "perfect", so I thought that I should give it a try. But, the game itself, was just endless grinding. Forced myself through 10 hours to see if I would find something interesting, that would at least keep me playing, but no. I definitely tried. Since then I never touched it again.
That hat is epic
Like for the *hat*
And Jared obviously!
I love how cheeky DE can be when they say Dark Sector is not related to Warframe lore wise. Simple solution to that: the Duviri Paradox and it's implied potential for multidimensional hijinks.
The void is already an other dimension so Warframe is already multi-dimensional lore wise.
As an avid Warframe player I can honestly say that I understand where your view of Warframe comes from. It is not for everyone. I will give my view of it vs Dark Sector for those interested.
One thing Warframe did that many people dislike is that they intentionally leave much of the backstory obscure at the start, only giving you a hint. As you play the game you can come across codex entries, descriptions of prime items, even data files to read in the Sanctuary about past stories of different people, and then you learn more as your character starts to remember their past. I have yet to see evidence of this in the game Dark Sector. Many people I have seen play this game say that they wish they had more backstory and a better explanation to what is happening, even it you have to search for it. The way it happens with Warframe where I have to search for it makes me feel like I accomplished something and makes the information more valuable to me since I had to work for it.
I Also believe that Dark Sector turned out poorly as a result of poor choices and regulations set in place by the publishers. Even Digital Extremes has stated numerous times that they were not happy with how Dark Sector turned out and that they basically felt like it was the hot trash they were forced to produce rather than what they wanted. When DE tried to get Warframe published no publisher would touch it because they all claimed that it was doomed for failure and they wanted it changed entirely into something that it just was not meant to be and DE eventually decided that they would go through all the trouble and hard work to publish it themselves. If they had done what they had with Dark Sector and given into the demands of the publishers they probably would have been forced to produce another hot mess that they would ultimately hate.
Lesson from this, maybe publishers should be more lenient about how the developer wants to make their games. I mean, the publisher does have to keep its own interests guarded but Dark Sector versus Warframe is evidence to what happens when a publisher is to strict and refuses almost all freedom of development compared to the true art that can come when they are given some freedom. I am not saying that Warframe is the perfect game but it turned out as good as it did because DE was able to freely make what they had envisioned.
When Jarek mentioned the standing up out of cover to shoot I immediately had this thought in my head, "did naughty dog secretly make this game" because the entire Uncharted series has that kind of issue as if its a staple to the series.
No you can blind fire from cover in uncharted without poking your head out if I remember correctly.
Honestly the best and fun way to kill enimies, is to go into slow motion with the glade (mid air after you throw it) and cut off everyone's head.
I remembered dark sector was one of the first tech demo's back in early '05 showcasing the power of the upcoming Xbox 360.
Funny how when warframe first came out it looked almost like this game with how dark and everything was
I'm pretty sure Dark Sector was banned here in Aus for being violent and gory. In any case, I don't think I ever saw it on a shelf. I remember reading about it in a gaming magazine, where they made a big deal out of their revolutionary smoke effects, how the smoke would behave realistically and swirl around the glaive and stuff like that.
I watched the very end of this on stream and was looking forward to Jarek digging into this.
I have spent hours trying to like warframe honestly I just cannot like it I dont want to wait several hours to use a weapon or literally 3 days for a prime it's so unenjoyable I'd rather play Modern Warfare or half life or anything else
Same man, the game felt too damn tedious
CAPTAINDIPLOCK honestly I agree with something I heard a while back the DE should drastically lower build times
@@rhinoworld6664 no, if you remember warframe is this thing, its called free to play, they need to give people as least some incentive to buy stuff
I enjoy warframe enough to put thousands of hours into it, but yeah the new player experience is a total slog/trainwreck. DE have this habit of leaving old systems to die while they find a new thing to fuck up. *cough* lichs and railjack *cough*.
That said the movement in WF is one of my favorite things about it tbh.
CAPTAINDIPLOCK i agree with you there mate, i couldn't enjoy it neither, warframe can become a huge slog if you don't know what to do, i rather play some old tactical shooters. However, my little brother loves it, he has done some unreal things there, like quick farming a lot of primes while disposing of others because they weren't useful, and showing me videos of new frames in the hope of getting me hooked. tch, tch, poor lad.
I just played Dark Sector, yes its cluncy and sometimes unfair, but when it came out most of the games was like that.Kinda remind me of Infernal. And that Warframe comment is understandable, but the story and the universe will get you if you look away from the grind. The most popular games nowdays are the same, hell even put casino in the game for a 60$ price. The only problem with the game is the devs want a jack of all trades game, but never finish gimics. And now its not a small company anymore. But i still like the game because it gives a fighting sandbox. dark Sector also have some hidden features, like if you throw frozen glaive into a waterstream it creates an ice cover. Or eletricity in the water. Also you got powers like shield and absorb and explode the elemental energy. But the blackmarket sucks. The weapon mods also useless and unequipable from a weapon. Great review tho.
“this game really drags on” some things never change
I remember that hat from your air soft days... good times. I always get excited when I see you’ve posted a new video, it takes me back to my childhood
Darksector can be considered a technical prequel to warframe, since it was the first game using the new engine developed by Digital Extremes. Hey jarek can you review Rainbow six Raven shield, or the Swat series of shooters?.
Dunno, for some reason i don't remember Dark Sector being overly difficult or too long for the sake of it. About weapons... yeah, you're probably going to have enough money for 2, maybe 3 guns, but some of them aren't that useful anyway. Probably should replay it too, maybe i have forgotten too much about this game.
Buggy? Enemies do too much damage tedious af AND poorly explained? That pretty much warframe
yeah agreed
I love how some of the problems were completely solved in current Warframe and others just exaggerated.
Tea, shield enemies still are annoying as hell if end up being stunned by them
I remember playing this game on my PS3 back then, glad you covered it
Fecking hell I remember playing this ages ago on a crappy rig and actually wanting to know ow what the name of this game was just out of curiosity but your video showed me why I didn't remember much about this game great video!
i do remember this game.
played long enough to realize that, yes, that glave was the only gimmick...
i stopped 3 hours into it.
WHAT TIMING! I was just thinking about this game today while doing the dishes. For no reason, it popped in my head, and here we are now!
My theory is that you are playing as umbra in a alternate universe where the contents of the Origin system are man made , did nyx ever get a proto armor skin
This game's name sounded familair as well as the game cover, turns out I'm pretty sure that I watched rasan69's playthrough of the game like four years ago. The strangest part is despite not even looking at that channel for YEARS I still remembered this game being played by him. I also remember that there are two playthroughs of his I never finished watching.
My first xbox 360 game. Not the best gameplay but graphics were a 10/10 for me back then and thats what i wanted from my new console
The same people made Pariah 3 years prior, which is like a toned-down, bland and consolified Unreal 2 and The Darkness II 4 years later, which turned out rather solid, the entire lineup of these developers is a mixed-bag of games ranging from bargain-bin jank to something serviceable...but it's the kind I love exploring more than anything mainstream, and I'm always happy to see you cover them, it's far more interesting to see different views on argueable games as opposed to an already praised-to-death game receiving all the more praise from yet another youtuber.
i never knew this was released. huh. hearing all the info about the story and the overlap with warframe was kinda cool though.
I played this not too long ago because I was always curious about it. I strongly agree with most of your criticisms but I oddly found myself really enjoying some parts of the game
I understand your criticism towards it, however, back in the day, this was one of a few games that would run on my shitty outdated computer , therefore I had tons of fun with it. Keep doing these great reviews.
can you do ghost recon advanced warfighter 1 and 2 on pc?
I'm still mad we didn't get the 360 variants ported to PC. In fact, GRAW seems to be different on every platform it was released on lol
What a strange port idk why they decided to make it an FPS :/
Somebody correct me if Im wrong - but I remember being able to charge the glaive, control it and angle it around the shield enemies to clip them in the shoulder which makes them drop their shields? Definitely not obvious and Im not even sure if I am remembering correctly since its been so long.
Jon French I kinda remember something like that
Yes, the ability is called Aftertouch. You unlock it later in mission 2.
You throw the glaive then hold C, it brings you into a slowmotion effect with the camera centered on the glaive, able to control it entirely.
2:55 dude looks like Ed from Brütal Legend
Ah, so that’s where the Proto-Excalibur skin came from
Wow i remember this game way back, i had no clue it was connected to warframe.
I played this briefly on Xbox 360, I don't know how far I got but once the glaive gimmick wore off it was boring and tedious.
Also that button on the other side of the fence was a royal bitch to hit using a gamepad. The glaive turn speed is sooo slow and you had to pass it between the fence and skybox. *Insta fail if you hit the freaking sky 3 feet above the fence!!!*
I still have the game for Ps3 and you really did say pretty much everything that needed to be said. Well done food sir.
Edit Good sir.
im glad someone is talking about this game
also i cant stop jamming to the timesplitters music you used xD
As someone that really liked this game, I really do agree with a lot of the points you make. I played it a couple years ago again, and I remember how frustrating the game honestly comes off. The glaive is a really cool weapon to use, and it's honestly my main melee weapon when I Play Warframe, but in this game it is kind of a pain.
*hears last name of tenno*
wait maybe it's a ... oh.
8:17
Even after all these years, DE has not changed
This guy makes me want to break out the torches and pitchforks
I remember reading a Game Informer Magazine where they hyped this game so hard. I never heard anything about it after that.
Finally! Someone who agrees that Warframe is a boring grind-fest!
Eh I played warframe and enjoyed it but it's not really perfect or something to praise. More less just a fun free action game for what it is, but like I said there's nothing unique or that amazing about it.
Yep i play it on and off to be honest, i spend a few weeks being awesome and doing cool ninja shit and killing Grineer then after a few weeks i burn out because i get tired of waiting and crap and it's just... grruuuuh.. but then i come back after a breather for the lore and features and new awesome open worlds to explore and stuff and burn out then come back, it's not like DC universe online where i come back because im really really bored, but more like Metal Gear Solid V
@@ultraoverloadx9333 the universe is somewhat exotic tbh
Warframe exists for the players who enjoy the grind. It's a love it or hate it deal. Personally, I don't mind it.
@@existenceworking1527 true, it really is fun
Loved this game. Glad we got this either way!
I remember being 9 years old and asking my dad if we could return it half way through the game. Pretty obvious indication the game sucks if a 9 year old doesn’t like it haha
I can see how dark sector could be a prequel to warframe however all i can say is a massive time difference
Dark Sector is interesting. While the game was released in 2008 for 360 and PS3, the PC version was originally slated to be out alongside the console versions, but the game just kind of fell on the wayside and people thought it was cancelled. Then in 2009, on a random youtube channel no less, proof of the game being played on PC was posted, and apparently the PC release was limited to Russia; not too surprising since a lot of random ports showed up on PC only for Russia, such as 2005 NARC being released there in 2008. The version on Steam is a fan translation of the Russian game, and the game was ported to PC by Russian publisher Noviy Disk, who also ported FROM Software's Ninja Blade. In addition to the weird bugs and lackluster settings, the PC version omits the online multiplayer mode from the console release, though some sources say you can use hamachi or the like to sort of have online multiplayer.
Honestly if there were alternatives to the glave like a sword/axe or a harpoon to pull enemies it could have been pretty cool, maybe even with some kind of platforming mechanics and a stealth function for the sui-ooooohhhhh that's what warframe was
Enemies shooting you through cover.... Oh boy it's got that Kane and Lynch thing going on.
Yes I remember this
This game was awesome
Dark sector was meant to be like what Warframe is now with railjack but most publishers wanted to make a Gears copy so they had to change everything
So that is where Excalibur came from
If only the infection could grant you to become your fursona... Okay now I see why they want to stop the antagonist.
I was just fucking around with my uncle about how neardy warframe is and then I brought up DarkSector and saw this fucking video
I got stuck in an area thinking I messed something up but I just had a copy that couldn't load the next chack point lmao
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THIS GAME FOR LITERAL hours.
It's been in the back of my mind for years but the sum total of all the time I've spent trying to find its name is probably only a couple hours.
Played warframe between 2013-14 and never played it since after I completed the solar system and was like now what.
This, Gears Of War, Mirrors Edge and Fable 2 were the first 360 games i got in 2009
I vaguely remembered this game, I had no clue what it was called nor have I ever seen gameplay this is wild.
Also big respect to the "Legendary" soundtrack in the background
You should play The Suffering 1 and 2. They are definetly hidden gems.
They're hidden?
I remember when this game was initially announced at E3, wowed everyone and then disappeared for a couple years and completely changed when it was finally released
Blame their publishers which ruined the game even DE themselves hated the direction they made dark sector go towards and stopped developing it half way through but the publishers decided they wanted to go with cold war stuff
That resumes Digital Extremes M.O with any other game.
Who doesn’t love that hat?
Shit, I forgot this game existed. The visual references to Warframe are immediately obvious.
I love how the main characters name is literally Tenno
I loved this game as a kid (played on Xbox though) and I still kinda do
You should check out Shadows of the Damned on the Xbox 360; that's a trip if I ever saw one
Sad how that game turned out.
Still never able to play this in Australia since it was banned here
I wasn't that mad about that "Gears Craze" but probably because i just played Gears
I remember playing this demo on Xbox 360 back when the Norwegian Spiral event was going down
This was the first game I ever played on PS3 back in the day and second game was sacred 2 fallen angel
Elvis hat has gained a place in my heart
you should give Terminator Resistance a shot. The voice acting is crap, but I've found the characters themselves to be very good. It's obvious that it's made by a small team with a limited budget, but the world feels good and sucks me in. The tense parts had me holding my breath at times and you can tell it was made by true fans of the series.
Jarek please adjust the fov in your desktop wallpaper, I can't see that porn fanart in its entirety