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I like how you just stated the differences without bashing on one side
Agree. I always appreciate his posts.
John Bosco explains orthodox church :
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@@PLSTruthJohn Bosco explains orthodox church :
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True
Agreed
I pray to God that one day Catholic and Eastern Orthodox united again as one Church✝☦ peace be with us brothers
more likely the oriental and eastern orthodox get reunited before the catholic
It will happen! Catholics call it the triumph of the immaculate heart of Mary, or the reign of Jesus through Mary, the period of peace, divine will era. As the first coming of Jesus came through Mary, so will the second coming happen again through Mary.
@@river_of_jordan hopefuly
Thankfully in heaven there are no church divisions.
Why not include the Protestant community?? We ALL need to come together as a family in Christ Jesus. I think all 3 of the churches can learn things from each other.
I'm a Catholic and I found this to be very educational. Thank you for the lesson.
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Glorification
Born Again in CHRIST
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GOD bless you my friend and others
GOD bless you all Saints of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST that continue praying for more Catholics and others to be saved
Bless THE LORD all our souls
Seek help
@@ImTiredOfThisChurch For what?
So you seen now true religion? Catolicism is heresy. Come back to Ortodoxy, all christians were Ortodox till 1054. They they departed from only one true church.
Its wrong. We belive it comes first from the father and then through the son. Which is and the son
As a Catholic, I love my orthodox brothers ✝️
Unfortunately, they don’t seem to feel the same way. 😔
@@dewilew2137That's not true. I am an Orthodox myself and I love all the catholic brothers
@@dewilew2137we love catholic too. And we believe Church is catholic. You guys more close to us.
On that positive note, the filioque has been investigated quite thoroughly by both sides. The common ground that was briefly agreed upon at one point is that both Catholics and Orthodox can get behind the phrase, “From the Father, THROUGH the Son.” This phraseology was briefly used by both sides before international politics severed its usage. There are theological distinctions, but the experts are currently optimistic that this particular issue, (the filioque) can be resolved by the verbiage above. There are other issues that are trickier to handle, but this one is much more likely to be agreed upon in our lifetimes. It would result in a change of word usage in the creeds, but no change in theology. The other issues would require one side or the other to yield to changes in underlying theology, which is much harder to stomach.
@@dewilew2137 Stop lying
I am Catholic and love my Church with my whole being, but Orthodoxy shows such a beauty that I'm always amazed with. Love for all of my brothers and sisters Christians!
@@Police_Be_opun_muhammadJesus loves everyone in this world! You're not a christian
@@Police_Be_opun_muhammad you're changing the topic, you're not a christian, you're a disgrace
@@Police_Be_opun_muhammad Messi fan 🤮
You've never been to the Traditional Latin Mass of Catholicism; the Mass of the Ages, the original authentic Mass; find one and go.
@@Police_Be_opun_muhammadStop offending others.
As an Armenian Orthodox I wish we could all get along
as a Shia Muslim I really think that the holy spirit proceeds from the son
thomas muslim?lol@@thomasroll8451
@@thomasroll8451 shia and Sunni, who use the correct one ?
shia of course@@imasdjuarsih2460
We could but your Orthodox Church always attack my Catholic Church just because we have apostolic succession.
”for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,“
Romans 3:23 NKJV
@anyroad5455…. All? Jesus Mary and Joseph were sinless.
@@thorgt8197are you questioning the bible? Joseph and Mary sinned, but God found favor in them. Just like how Noah sinned, but God found favor in him.
@@thorgt8197Lies of the enemy. Don’t be deceived brother. Only Jesus Christ Himself was found without fault.❤️✝️
King James Version is an evil abomination
Wow, so Jesus sinned? Since ALL fall short? Damn
I’m catholic and I love our orthodox brothers and sisters ❤️🙏
:)
Love you too my catholic sibling
Love to you, my Catholic brother❤
❤❤❤
Orthodoxy does not believe in original sin but ancestral sin.
We are not born with original sin but inherit the ability of sin from Adam.
Difference between original sin and imputed guilt?
@@telosboundJohn Bosco explains orthodox church :
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No one is born with sin, but everyone is accountable for their deeds. If God was the most merciful and compassionate, then why would he not show that to Adam and Eve ?
Starting to sound like we're splitting hairs here...
@@medusa301But God showed His mercy to Adam and Eve, why do you think like that?
Glory to Christ and his Holy Orthodox Catholic Church ☦️☝️
Orthodoxy isn’t catholic, by definition. Look at the ethnic and national denominations. There is no universality among you.
@@John-ng8fx Dont bring oriental churches nor assyrian churches to this.
@@John-ng8fx Nor didnt all of Poped speak from the one mouth.
@@John-ng8fxCatholic doesn't mean universal, it means wholeness and fullness of the church.
@@John-ng8fxThere are and have been ethnic and national Catholic churches even to this day. There are the Mexican/Hispanic, Brazilian, Polish, Italian, Spanish, Irish, and Croatian Catholic Churches. There is also the Melkite (Greek) Catholic Church, the Ethiopian Catholic Church, Armenian Catholic Church, Middle Eastern Catholic Churches like the Maronites, Syro-Malankara, Coptic (Egyptian) Catholic Church, etc, etc. So such national/ethnic churches are NOT exclusive to the Orthodox Church.
My God Protect our Orthodoxy!
John Bosco explains orthodox church :
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Which God? The Son or the Father?
@@medusa301sarcasm,funny hilarity ensues without smiles.
@@medusa301 Whether
- you like it or not,
- understand it or not,
- believe it or not,
- confirm it or not with your mystical
science and cult,
- adore it or not
Your Creator is GOD; and God is one and three, and three and one!!!
@@samueltakele3876 doesn’t make any sense
Respect to my Christian brothers from a Muslim. Thank you for this educational video. May God guide us all.
allah has no children
God bless you brother, amen.
ty xo
I know you are Orthodox but the fact that you just said things plainly without criticising one side or the other makes it so that you cannot realise what side you are even on. This made me respect Orthodoxy a lot more since a lot of Orthodox Christians often mock and make fun of us when the topic comes up.
Before i was a bad person, drugs, jail, more problems..... right now I Am Ortodox And i know the tru and i love the God. I am a good human now
Romans 3:10 “no one is good not one”, but only Jesus. I am glad to hear you have turned your life around, and encourage you to seek out more scripture to strengthen your faith in Christ
❤ Бог те благословио
I'm so happy for you ❤
Nice video, although it should say Catholics, not Roman Catholics, we have 23 rites and the Roman is only one of them
*24 rites, 23 eastern
@@josipsuker1893 I've read both, just like I said 23 rites and 24 churches. I've read it and heard it from apologists as well.
So it seem perfectly fine to say both things
We're 24 rites And we all Catholic Churches are united in One while Orthodox are divided and hate each other
@@hermanramos5919
The Orthodox are united by the Orthodox Faith, Holy Tradition and the Holy Ecumenical Councils, and by Communion. Orthodox from different traditions don't hate each other, that's ridiculous. Disputes existed since the dawn of the Church (the fight between Saint Peter and Saint Paul). There were breaks in communion, even with the Church of Rome, way before the Great Schism.
Now, the Roman Catholics are united by jurisdiction (the Pope), but still are divided on faith and practice: Continuists (Pro Vatican II), Traditionalists (Pre Vatican II), Sedevacantists (Anti Vatican II), Charismatics (Pentecostal Catholics), Conservative Catholics, Liberal Catholics, Pro LGBT Catholics (i.e. those in favor of Fiduncia Supplicans), etc.
@@hermanramos5919Very well said brother!!
As a Protestant Christian, I respect Catholic and Orthodox Christians. We should just stop hating each other and discussing what is the right belief in Jesus.
Jesus is King! ✝️☦️
I'm protestant and I don't hate catholics or orthodox.i love all Christiansm. Many catholic beliefs do sadden me greatly though
Repent your heresy😂
Filioque is actually a translation problem not a theological one. Let me explain.
The reason why the filioque is absent in the greek (both greek catholic and orthodox) creed is because the verb meaning "proceeds" is different. The greek verb, ἐκπορευόμενον, means "makes to go out from" and implies divine origin. and as such, adding "and the son" *would* be heretical. The latin creed uses the verb "procedit" which literally means "proceeds". It does not directly imply that the Holy Spirit's divine origin is the father and the son, but rather says that he simply comes forth from the son and is not sent by him.
The Catholic and Orthodox churches even agree on the theology. The Holy Spirit's divine orgin (ἐκπορευόμενον) is the Father, but he "proceeds" (procedit) from the Father and the Son. As he does come forth from the son, but he is only sent forth from the father *through* the son.
Not to mention, dictionaries didn't exist and while some church fathers spoke both greek and latin, they weren't linguists and it's probable that some words were not 1:1 translations. To add salt: Latin and Greek are closely related enough that bishops who didn't speak fluent latin could possibly misunderstand filioque and apply it to their greek verb mistakenly and not see that procedit means something different
Thats right but it was and is theological problem and catholics still today defend tte filioque. The western church at that time (great schism 1054) also held the view that they changed it to better because even today eastern and western churches has the same issues.
Orthodoxy: Holy Spirit PROCEEDS from the Father through the Son.
Catholic: Holy Spirit PROCEEDS from the Father AND the Son.
May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you and keep you safe ☦︎✝
@@jeremiasitkonen9322 I deleted my old reply to correct my statement. I *know* the catholic church agrees theologically. The catholic church teaches (albeit not loudly) that the source of his divinity is the Father, but he is sent from the father in the Son's name (or through the son). We just like to emphasize that he does come through Jesus. So he does proceed from the son, but his divinity begins at the Father.
A further explanation of the langauge used would be like this: if I sent you a letter, that letter proceeds (ἐκπορευόμενον) from me. But that letter proceeds (procedit) from me and the mailman. (I'm not calling Jesus a mailman, I am simply explaining the language used, nor am I saying Jesus is ONLY an instrument for the holy spirit and that's all he does)
τὸ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς ἐκπορευόμενον
qui ex Patre Filioque procedit.
However, I will ask my priest to triple check this, but I am nearly 100% sure we agree.
I appreciate that, may God also bless you.
Padre Pio pray for us! Theotokos pray for us!
Yeah, but the way it was added without an ecumenical council was just wrong.
Jesus did send the Comforter ( Holy Spirit)
Yes but He does not eternally proceed from the Son
Yes but he doesn't cause him in to existence.
@@ionictheist349 neither does the Father, the Holy Spirit is God so he always existed
@@nothingnothing7958 I didn't say that there was time he didn't exist. What I am saying is that the son exists in eternal begetting from the father and the holy spirit exists in eternal procession from the father, the father has the monarchia, the son and the holy spirit come out him eternally.
@@abdulwahabjag I'm not a Roman Catholic. I didnt say Jesus Proceeded from the Holy Spirit he himself said he would send the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit.
In Ethiopian Orthodox we also believe that virgin mary was preserved from original sin.
As an Ethiopian Orthodox Christian myself, this’s actually inaccurate. The church doesn’t have a conclusive view on the immaculate consumption. For instance, the previous patriarch abune paulos wrote in his Princeton university dissertation “She (Virgin Mary) is two-fold virgin, i.e., virgin both in body and soul, who, though not "immaculate" or free from original sin, yet was all-holy, pure, and chose to actively participate in the saving work of God, His incarceration”. Many ancient church fathers and scholars of the church also taught against the doctrine immaculate conception.
She was born of sinful people, sin begets sin , not holiness. We honour Mary for obedience to receive the Savoiur into her womb but nothing more.
Me switching sides from protestant to either Orthodox or Catholic Church
(orthodox seems more tempting not gonna lie)
I here too am also coming to Orthodoxy, and I'll pray for you in your Journey. God bless you, you wonderful person
I've been Orthodox since 1998, left the new age Roman Catholic church and we are fine without the heterodox.
I hope you & others find the 1 True Orthodox, Katholic Church, yes there's only one
I don't blame you. They still understand that Mass requires sanctity.
@@xenosmann831
Ok brother, no need to kick us while we're down.
I'm not kicking anyone, merely stating the obvious. Orthodoxy is the fullness of the 1 True Orthodox Katholic Church, the protestant Roman Catholic church is the fullness of man made heresy followed by Luther, Calvin etc to today's flavor of the moment and age or TV preacher. Glad to see more converts to Holy Orthodoxy so please join us
I love being Catholic
Me too
Then you are totally deceived
@@onejohn2.26.John Bosco explains orthodox church :
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@@onejohn2.26.Burns yo ass don't it?
Me too! ❤
Firstly the “ Roman Catholic “ church you refer to the western Latin rite , one of over 20 different rites ; most of who follow the liturgical tradition of the orthodox and eastern oriental churches . Which makes up the one holy apostolic Catholic Church . This very universality is one of the signs of the true church . No other church has this universality
I assume you’re also a catholic (God bless, brother). I want to add to your comment: The Eastern Orthodox Churches are (mostly) in official communion with one another and we don’t want to strawman them as overly nationalistic and divided (though they can be, but this is against true Orthodox teaching).
You still make an important point. Pray for both of our churches.
That “universality” you western heretics call was just the papal institution acting as tyrants to exercise worldly power like some sort of emperor, nothing more.
John Bosco explains orthodox church :
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You are not Orthodox if you consider papism in any way correct@@Bill-mq7wr
The Catechism lists 7 Liturgical rites; Latin, Byzantine, Alexandrian, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite, and Chaldean. Altogether there are 24 Churches, in full communion with each other, and the Pope.
Sometimes when i see the difference...wonder how these issues can csuse a separation ....love the way you put it across...Glad we both share a common faith
The issues didn’t cause a separation
They were just an excuse
"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.
And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one,
I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as one, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me."
John 17:20-23
He quite explained it, the oneness is by having Christ in you and not by being in the denomination or church
@@elizabethmary6374 if we have Christ in us, then we will be ONE as well. Not thousands of different churches with different teachings. Not individuals with no connection or relationship to their neighbors or community. We will be "AS ONE".
Catholic here, we must unite and stand against the Muslims brothers hopefully God and the Theotokos bring us back together☦️✝️❌☪️
Orthodox here. I agree, but how would we do that?
@@jarrilaurilaif rome repents
@@jarrilaurilapeace and charity between both churches and second, evangelize understanding the falsehoods of islam
@@ionictheist349I think you got it backwards. But it's not about repenting. A lot could be said about some of the orthodox churches, but that's not the point. The point is unity as Christ asked from us
@@umatveg I am not saying that all orthodox churches are perfect, I am not a donatist. What I am saying is that if rome had remained the same throughout the years, it could have been easier to unite the churches. There were initial disagreements that caused the schism like the filioque and the papacy but over the years rome had declared many things as dogma, such as the immaculate conception, purgatory and more which lead to more and more differences between the churches and made it more impossible to consider unity.
Most average orthodox W
As a Muslim I have to say. Alhamdullilah for Islam.
I am Catholic. In Japan, the population of catholic is very low, Orthodox, either.
I have attended the mass of Kyoto Orthodox Church a lot of times.
The church is located in Kyoto, Japan.
One of my friends is Orthodox christian.
But I decided that, in the future, I will never go
to the Orthodox church. Because they said “Catholic church have been bad.”
Why do you all look down on Catholic church,like protesters doing?
Both roman catholic and protestants are bad , anything outside Orthodoxy is bad
It's because of the fourth crusade, mainly. The Orthodox lost the seat of their church because of that.
True just like Protestants they preach with hate and not love. Continue to follow the Catholic Church.
True they are just same with Protestants they preach with hate and not love. Just continue to follow the Catholic Church. Amen.
You're definitely on to something. Catholics hold the fullness of Faith. All encompassing. Christ, our Lord, warned us of this hate.
That's my favorite icon of the Mother of God/Lady Theotokotos with Christ holding the world and her holding the beautiful white lilies. She is associated with lilies because,
"Lilies are often associated with purity and innocence in the Bible. In the Song of Solomon, the lily is used as a metaphor for love and beauty. Lilies also represent resurrection and new life, as they bloom in the spring, symbolizing the promise of eternal life in Christianity".
That icon is called,
The Eternal Bloom! ❤
You realise that what you're referring to is a goes against Commandments 1 and 2.
Do you know the name of the icon of the trinity ? I’ve been looking for some time 😅
@@jacobrox1632
Have you tried googling it ????
I think we’re so similar that it’s silly to be two separate churches. I think the only true thing keeping the churches separate is the Pope bc the rest could just be kept to one’s personal opinion but even the papacy hasn’t declared anything dogmatic in almost 75 years. I just hope that when the end times come we can be at each others side instead of at each others throats
In the end times, Jesus will descend and ask you:
Have I ever asked you to worship me instead of your creator? Be prepared
@@medusa301 the fact that there’s literal verses that show Jesus telling us he’s God 😭 bro please don’t tell me you believe a pedophile prophet that came 600 years after Jesus was crucified
@@medusa301 Jesus is God.
@@stevenwright1829 did Jesus not pray to God while on the cross? How can God pray to God?
May God forgive you brother and lead you to his right path@@stevenwright1829
Song name
I saw someone else say it's called Song of Kings by Clamavi de Profundis
All Catholics accept these things, not just the Romans.
are you joking?
@@downeybill ...no
@@downeybillWhy would he be joking? What he said was true.
Honestly this just gives more reason why the original church should come back together. We’ve had to much fighting an division an I know Jesus wouldn’t want that.
@@HypnoChode74 That's exactly why the Catholic Church is so invested in ecumenism: to follow Jesus's express desire that we should all be one.
Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
Hail Yahweh. Not Mary the dirty sinner who is and was just like us
1. Papal Infability is in the Bible Christ instructed the Church to preach everything he taught (Matt. 28:19-20) and promised the protection of the Holy Spirit to “guide you into all the truth” (John 16:13). That mandate and that promise guarantee the Church will never fall away from his teachings (Matt. 16:18, 1 Tim. 3:15), even if individual Catholics might. Infallibility is not the absence of sin. Nor is it a charism that belongs only to the pope. Indeed, infallibility also belongs to the body of bishops as a whole, when, in doctrinal unity with the pope, they solemnly teach a doctrine as true.
2. Filioque is a language difference with latin and greek. We as catholics believe that the father is the cause of the Holy Spirits and he proceeds through the Son which basically means from the father and the Son. We dont and will never believe in double procession.
3. Immaculate Conception was always teached and is the truth Full of Grace always. You should attack your own eastern orthodox fathers like gregory palamas that teached the immaculate conception.
All truth dwells in the catholic Orthodox church the one true church founded by Christ is there where Peter is like all churchfathers teach us!! 🔑🇻🇦✝️
Well said, brother!!!!!!!!
Interesting
1. The Pope isn't the incarnation of the Church.
2. Then change the creed accordingly. Filioque means "and the son", not "through the son".
3. We Orthodoxs, including Palamas, have a very different view on the original sin than you have.
@@tepesobrejac4360 my friend, what are you saying? The pope is not the incarnation of the Church, he is the successor of St Peter
@@childofGod999
The person I replied to argued for papal infallibility by referring to Bible verses that affirmed the infallibility of the Church: ("Christ instructed the Church to preach", "guarantee the Church will never fall away"). Supporting the infallibility of the Pope by referring to the infallibility of the Church can only work IF the Pope and the Church can be considered as one and the same. If by "Church" we can mean "Pope" and vice-versa. Otherwise, the Pope is just a bishop out of many, a portion of the Church that can get things wrong, and only an Ecumenical Council could be infallible when reaching unanimous consent.
Once again not Roman Catholicism!
It’s just Catholicism. Roman Catholicism is a rite.
No ,it's roman catholicism ,no such thing as catholicism
Catholic is the church of the Nicean creed,so, it's the Orthodox church,not the church of Rome.
Well, neither it is said in Bible that Mary inherted or did not inherited tge original sin, neither it is stated that she sinned in her life, but it is truly declared that ALL humans have sinned and need the Grace of God Jesus Christ to be saved. So according to the holy scriptures Mary was inneed of Christ's redemptive and vindicative sacrifice just like us. The only person who was truly righteous was Jesus, and his righteousness has made us righteous, not ours
Jesus was human. U fail
@@PInk77W1 congrats, U Stupid
I think we all pray, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, that we may, somehow, be reunited one day, and that our Protestant brothers and sisters may learn the errors of their ways and come back to Apostolic Christianity. Only then will we all live in harmony as Jesus intended.
Jesus himself was never is Christian. He just reminded his people to worship their creator and their creator only
Follow Jesus.
Stop following man.
Become a Christian today, Catholic.
I have heard that, although the filioque is a difference, both Orthodox and Catholics can define both positions in a way that make them almost(if not) exactly the same
for referance the papal infallibility has only been invoked 2 times in 2000 years so its not really that crazy.
It is
when Mary apeared at Lourds in 1858 she told Bernadette, "i am the Immaculate Conception"
Our Lady of Lourdes, pray for us!
♥️
Sorry. It doesn't seem theologically plausible that Mary isn't a sinner. I believe, she didn't sin. But she did inherit original sin. Shes a sinner. I hope that doesn't deplete grace from me by God. But I think it makes sense. Idk if I can. Believe an apparition of. Supposedly the virgin Mary when I've not seen her myself sorry. Where'd she says she's the immaculate conception. I don't wanna say it is Satan's. But I think I fall more on to the orthodoxy side.
@@IsraelCountryCube Read the Novel or watch the film "Song of Bernadette" it was written by the Jew Franz Werfels so he can't be accused of having a Catholic bias.
then look at the miracles of Fatima in 1917.
Mary called for the conversion of Russia and said "my immaculate heart will triumph"
this is a dogma that God wants. not a dogma that proud man wants.
Mary was the only human to look down upon God.
I love holy theotokos but demons hide as angels in disguise this is why everything is tested@@IsraelCountryCube
You mean an fallen angel. Marry is dead
They are both breaking Commandments 1 and 2
No, protestant beliefs were innovations.
As a Catholic, I have a huge respect for the Orthodox Church. We may have some differences but one day I pray that we will be united again ❤
I hope one day Chatolics and Orthodox will be one again
No. Catholics are not real Christians
I noticed a huge issue with the papacy when I learned that Heraclas (Patriarch of Alexandria)was also called Pappas in Greek which is where the Catholics get the word Pope
Could you clarify? Thank you.
@@hailholyqueen The word Pope wasn't used exclusively for the see if Rome so Rome wasn't so special that its archbishop had all authority in the Church.
Yep if you want to go in deeper sources of info you'll find out that they funded maZzlimz to start a war and capture the other 4 churches(patriarchates), only Constantinople survived for a long long period of time ...
Here in the Ethiopia we still call the patriarchs, pope.
@@MosesthewhiteboyThe word Pope is not what makes the pope important. It is being the Bishop of Rome and successor of St Peter.
Song is Song of Kings by Clamavi de Profundis
Thank you! It’s also important to also state that the question of the Filioque has been officially settled and rectified between the Latins and the Easterns, so while the Procession of the Spirit is typically formulated from different perspectives, those perspectives are not mutually exclusive of each other. The East accepts the West’s formulation, and vice versa.
I appreciate the arguments that this guy puts forth because it for the solidifies in my mind why I am proud to be a Protestant Christian
As a muslim i find Orthodox Christian more logical but at the end Creater of every Creation is Allah Almighty and we only seek help from him ❤
Orthodoxes and muslims respecting each others🤝
@@orangecobraEUgood,they want you submissive dhimmi
Roman Catholic is corrupt. If you say with a whole heart you trust a pope , id consider repentance directly to Jesus . For i am the only way to the father .
A couple of the many reasons I can't see The evidence about the orthodox church are, its history and second its tribalism. In its history they were great heretics embracing arianism, then God allowing the muslim invasion of the east, as He allowed it in the old and new testament with Israel. And finally they stayed comfortably in their countries never taking the great commission seriously, there are no orthodox churches in America, the continent, Africa or East Asia, while you will find Catholics everywhere in the world. These might be exaggerations or oversimplification I know, but like I wrote, they just add the many other reasons
And yet Jesus built his church on Peter aka the Catholic church
Isaiah 22 says God will give us a father.
Pope means father.
God always works thru one man.
God NEVER changes
Jesus picked 12 men.
Jesus put one in charge.
Jesus told Peter
“Feed my sheep”
Jesus told Peter
“WHATEVER YOU loose on earth is loose in heaven.”
@@minnihd6470 anathema
@@minnihd6470 And yet it's still corrupted
Am personally athiestic, but love learing about Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Both are incredibly fascinating and convey so much beauty, so thanks for this x
"Pride" is just the issue, not what you mentioned
Why say Roman Catholocism and not just Catholicism? Maronite Catholics are in communion with Rome and belive in the same thing. Please stop thinking that all catholics are of the latin rite (roman)
Roman Catholic here, and I am interested and intrigued in Christian Orthodoxy.
I do not accept Papal infallibility either, and all theological issues should be settled by council.
I am praying to God to illuminate my path and guide me to His Church.
I am growing disenchantised with the Roman Church for various number of reasons, including Pope Francis endorsing LGBTQ parents assisting to children baptism and inviting pagan rituals into the See of Rome.
That would Never, ever happen in the Orthodox Church I presume.
And, I am not going to Protestantism because they do Not have the sacraments, the liturgy, and the Eucharist, that is to bear witness and partake before the pressence of Christ.
Latin America should as well seek and go the path of Orthodoxy.
Orthodoxy is truth !
@@andrewjeffery7937 Orthodox Church is the Church established by Christ Himself.
@@andrewjeffery7937 Jesus is indeed truth, as well as the Church He established through His apostles. Are you saying that Orthodoxy is false?! God bless.
@@andrewjeffery7937 Ah yes, Orthodoxy doesnt teach about Jesus being the one true God, interesting.
@@andrewjeffery7937 thinking this way is illogic, Orthodoxy is truth for its teaching and interpretation of the scripture, they kept tradition of the Church and they have apostolic's successions.
For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, mary is not an exception to this, if she never sinned she could have been the sacrifice for our sins
I am learning so much about Christianity from your videos, it’s very interesting.
How powerful is PayPal infalibility tho ?
How can you inherit original sin and never personally sin? That’s honestly harder to believe than the immaculate conception.
why do people think marry didn't sin?
@@jmailmonopolis6296 because she had God in her womb. Just like the ark of the covenant, for God to be there she had to be pure.
@@RGTomoenage11 many people touches jesus, including those who killed him.
@@jmailmonopolis6296 you are correct. however, just like nothing impure can’t enter heaven, the Holy of Hollies cannot dwell in something in pure. In addition, at the end of revelation chapter 11 the Bible shows the arc of the covenant in heaven and in the beggining of chapter 12 it shows that is the woman that gives birth to Jesus. Remember, the Bible wasn’t written with verse number. That was added later on by the church (Catholics). If you read it without verses you are reading a continuous letter by Saint John and the early church believes the woman is Mary because she gave birth to him. Literally. I’m not saying this to convince you. Just telling you why Catholics, orthodox, and the first Protestants believe that. With that said, Catholics believe that Mary was born without original sin. That doesn’t mean didn’t later sin. Orthodox believe she didn’t sin but was born with original sin. To me and that’s just me, if you are born without original sin probably can’t sin and if you are born with it you will sin so the catholic position makes more sense to me but I’m no expert.
@@RGTomoenage11 false. God doesn't require purity to be present. Who told you that?
I am EOTC Christian and there is no any preach that say marry inherent original sin, and we are constantly arguing with the Protestants .😊😊
Always appreciate your posts. Thank you. I like learning the differences, but honestly, a face to face discussion as to also why is desired, but I realize that isn't possible. . .
Just consider how many Christian denominations originate from Catholics… only that means a lot …! May God bless the orthodox church who preserved the same faith from the Apostles till today
All denominations come from the eastern orthodox church....
Ancestral sin
I’m a Presbyterian trying to understand orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism, where in the bible is the concept of anyone but Christ being sinless? I thought one of the main points of the gospel is that being sinless and living a sinless life was unique to Christ, hence the reason his and only his sacrifice is sufficient for our salvation
This is reffering to the original sin, which the Lord didn't inherit.
@@stefanspinu434 I understand that, but if Mary inherited original sin do you think she would have abstained from sin her whole life? How is that even possible for a human being to do knowing that we have sinful reactions to certain situations that we can’t help a lot of the time due to the inheritance of sin from Adam. Also if she lived sinless, what effect did the fallen nature even have on her character? Genuinely want to understand, all my questions are out of curiosity and love ♥️
If you really want to know you need to reach out to Catholics you tuber. Not on a short of an Orthodox Christian.
@@jhausa8274 the effect of original sin isn't that you will sin, but predisposition to it for the entire human race. It's not her sin, but she suffers from consequences of it. Even if it had no effect on her, it was still there and is the reason why she first physically died. The Lord only dued after saying "it is done" commanding when he would give up his spirit.
Sinlessness doesn't equate a creature with divinity. Both Adam & Eve were sinless in the garden before the fall. Christ was able to save us not just because he is sinless but because he is the God-Man.
Sin isn't normal or natural, it is abnormal, disordered and is what marred the image of God in us. We are all called to be Sinless, to renounce it, turn from it, and not to sin. We are all given the graces by God to achieve this.
The Blessed Virgins preservation from the Stain of Original Sin is a natural consequence of her role as the New Eve (Nova Eva). The parallels between Eve & Mary are many and all the Church Fathers write at length about this:
A sinless virgin had a role in our fall (Eve) - so also, a sinless virgin has a role in our regeneration. Eve's Virginity lacks the fertility of faith and brings our fall. Mary's Virginity is theologically fertile and brings about our salvation in the God-Man Jesus Christ. Both are receptors of messages, Eve received a message from the serpent and brought forth disobedients. Mary receives a message from Galadriel, obeys, and brings forth in her womb our salvation. Eve was born from Adams side, and the new Adam, Christ, is born from the New Eve in the order of grace. Eve was a subordinate participating agent in our fall. Mary is a subordinate participating/co-operating agent in our salvation. (The action of restoration is the work of Christ's sacrifice alone), but his mother has her part to play in God's plan. Just as both male and female had a role in the fall, so in the order of grace, in the new creation, does a man & women have a role in our restoration & regeneration. - (Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Tutullian, Augustine of Hippo).
Mary's Immaculate Conception is the origin & cause of her blessedness. She was simply conceived in a state of grace on account of her unique destiny as the mother of the God-Man & being the substance by which the invisible God was made visible. She is essentially normalised by an action of grace from God. She is the New Woman of the New Law, the daughter of Eve unfallen.
Her personal sinlessness is on account of her proximity to Christ. She is so relative to the incarnate one that it logically follows for her to be so set aside in holiness as to be sinless.
The BVM is biologically close to God through her motherhood, physically & emotionally close to God in life and in personal unionship with a God by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit at the moment of the Incarnation. Because of all these factors combined, Satan just can't get at her. She is just endowed with grace, not through any merit of her own, but by and through the merits of her divine son. She is exempt from contracting sin by an action of grace, Christ is totally excluded from its taint because he is a preexisting divine person. That's the difference, and there is a theological difference between exemption & exclusion. - And thus is the protoevangelium (first Gospel) fulfilled: (Genesis 3:15) says, “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” - In order for the serpent to be defeated, the enmity must be total, and so the New Women (Mary) & her offspring (Christ) must be beyond Satan's grasps (sinless). Furthermore, Christ can not be in enmity with his own mother, from whom he assumed his human nature. (All of us are born in enmity with God (the stain of original sin) and need rejuvenation in the waters of baptism - Mary was simply rejuvenated before she was born. She holds the same office in our restoration that Eve held in our fall - St John Henry Newman.
The Papal definition is simply that, a definition. It is entirely insufficient in explaining the doctrine.
I pray we find a way to come together on these issues and all others. Our Lord calls us to be one and, by His grace, we someday will be.
*Never ending doctrinal debate ensues
Orthodox Christians accepted papal infallability in the4th and 6th eccumenical councils, and held communion with the filioque west for centuries (including Photius)
Nope
But yeah tho. Check into it. Dont misrepresent the faith of the first millennium. Many of our shared saints believe in the filioque. No ecumenical council has ever condemned the filioque or papal infallibility, so i dont understand the orthodox resistance to it.
nope lmao, where did u get this
@@dondangler2458 Nope
The minutes of the ecumenical Councils and the fact that photius died in communion with the pope. And not to mention florence which was agreed to by the patriarch and emporer… @@superidol238
We Orthodox don’t believe that our Blessed Mother was born with the original sin. She is spotless and pure preserved from sin since conception!
Where in the Bible can I locate that?
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
No, our orthodox church Theotokos didn't sin but still had original sin.
@@leiyeuktsui8449does that mean Jesus had original sin from Mary? Just wondering
@@lrw6447 No,because He was God as well. When the Holy Spirit went to the womb of Theotokos, the womb was cleansed so that Jesus would not inherit the original sin.
Perfect video - accurate, precise, great graphics and visuals. Low-key monotone presentation. 👍
Live Truth Live Catholic
Volim sve hriscane i volio bih da se ujedinimo svi jednog dana. Ali Papa nije svetac niti moze donositi odluke sam i samo zasto sjedi na stolici Apostola Petra ne znaci da mu Bog oprasta grijehe. Zar vi stavrno da misliti da je Bog nekada trazio od nas da vodimo ratove u njegovo ime ? I to ne jedan nego tri krstaska rata? Mnogo pogresnih odluka se donijelo generalno u obe crkve naprimijer: Zasto se Liturgije ne odrzavaju na Aramejskom jezikom kojim je pricao Isus ? Zasto ako se Isus obrcao svome Ocu je govorio Ellah ili Elohi zasto smo mi to odbacili? Zasto su crkve izmjenule imena likova kao i neka desavanja? Mislim da bi svi trebali da se vratimo pocetku i onako kako je Isus predavao a ne kako su ljudi izmjenuli nasu vjeru. Da bi svi znali kako,kad i zasto moramo da znamo Aramejski i da imamo pristup prvom izdanju biblije tj da se ono samo smije stampatu. Isus nikada nije rekao niti Apostoli da se crkva treba podijeliti . I upamtite ljudi moji jedini je spas da se vratimo na izvor kako je sve pocelo . Veliki pozdravza sve Hriscane od Srpskog Pravoslavca
Glory to the Catholic Church 🛐
thats not a church...its businis organisation.
There is only one church....
LGBT church ?
@@seonderadam3898 You’re Protestant don’t talk
The holy virgin mother was birthed from man and women like the rest of us. She also inherited original sin just like us all. That's how I see it.
Eastern Orthodox do NOT believe that the Virgin Mary inherited Original Sin. Orthodox do not believe anyone inherited Original Sin.
Orthodox believe all are born into a Fallen World but through baptism. men/women are made "a part of [His] Kingdom."
Orthodox is best
Orthodoxe is the real religion, i dont know why in israel jewish are called ultra orthodoxe, when catholics are an unic word.
The pope is badass.
Till he advocates for slavery, the mass killing of cats, indulgences, clown masses, ecumenism, the Abrahamic faith center, climate change regulations, socialism, and countless other not badass things.
Thank you for making this without misrepresenting anyone.
❤Thanks a lot.I was looking for that explainations!
The story Mary's pregnancy is a Maury Povich episode! Joseph is the true hero raising a child thats not his!
😂😂😂😂😂so true
Why are non Christians on this channel ???
Thankfully Francis hasn’t spoken from the seat of Peter
Course, you have to go back to fifties for a pope to have done that
so is Francis only the vicar of Christ when he claims to be speaking infallibly or is he the earthly version of Jesus all the time?
@@deacon6221neither… he’s a peasant servant like the rest of us…
As a Protestant, I appreciate that you non-condemning and just putting out the information. Obviously I disagree on specific things from both Catholic and Orthodox views but again do appreciate that you don’t use your channel to condemn.
Small correction. Orthodox do not believe in original sin. We carry consequences of the ancestral sin of Adam but are not guilty of it. We believe no one is guilty of the sins they did not commit. Accordingly, the ever Virgin Mary the Theotokos was born and tempted by sin as well. It is through her piety that she remained without sin, and she was not made special by God. She is a model for all of our lives.
Romans 3:23
Nope, Mary is not sinless.
Free of personal sin, so yes, she is sinless.
@@griswoldthegoblin9420 care to give any verse or reference?
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Peter 3:16
@@Srhyle
Lk says the Angel told Mary
Hail FULL of Grace. Mary can’t have sin and be full of grace. Jesus told the apostles to go teach all nations. The church teaches Mary is sinless.
@@PInk77W1 2 Peter 3:16
Ironic since you're twisting the scripture to justify your beliefs. Meanwhile, Romans 3:23 CLEARLY says ALL have sinned. Full of Grace doesn't mean sinless. If it is, why not use sinless? If you have any other verse or reference at all that's the meaning, please do share.
Im not in either faith but Orthodox makes more sense
It doesn't matter which church you belong to. The main thing is to have a relationship with Jesus and follow his commandments.
Very good and honest discussion. There is a little bit more important detail to papal infallibility, and nuance to the Filioque itself (especially to how it relates to the Schism), but I’m glad to see an honest and simple comparison from an Orthodox. Pray for reunion!
If Mary inherited original sin, she would not have been the spotless Ark of the Covenant needed to enflesh and carry Our Lord for nine months.
Jesus is where it’s at. Just ask The Blessed Virgin Mary.
Wherever Christ is, there is the Catholic Church
Nope ,not in Serbia ,we are only Orthodox Christian
LGBT church ?
Very excellent. Thank you. That answers many important questions for me.
I am an orthodox christian, I wish one day we all christians unite togather i believe, lets pray please my brothers and sisters. glory be to God!
Orthodox are the right ones ☦️
A stones throw away from Protestants in a way. The Catholic Church isnt only the Roman Rite. Y’all disregard 20+ Eastern Rites who also believe and are in communion with the Holy SEE.
Thanks for this! God bless❤
Roman Catholicism is like the infinity gauntlet of heresy
It's funny because none of those are biblically accurate.
As a devout Catholic I believe this difference between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church will only be settled when the Lord Jesus Christ returns. Maranatha!
He will ask both of you:
Have I ever commanded you to worship me instead of your creator?
Good concise short!
Saying the Filioque outright caused the schism is a bit excessive and ignores the socio-political separation between Rome and New Rome that existed for centuries before the mutual excommunications.
Both are wrong... Mary was human and sinned like an ordinary human, Jesus died for her sins too.
Jesus was born from a woman, not a special creature.
Mary didn’t sin. The church has all authority to teach and the church teaches she didn’t sin.
Your opinion is invalid
@@PInk77W1 Mary's "sinlessness" is an oppinion and not scriptural doctrine.
@@loosestroodle
Scripture
“The Church is the ground and pillar of TRUTH”
1 Tim 3:15
The church teaches that Mary is sinless.
So yes it’s very scriptural
@@PInk77W1 scripture is the bible, sorry kiddo.
@@loosestroodle Catholics believe
Scripture is the Bible
The Filioque was introduced in England at the Council of Hatfield in 680, under the presidency of St Theodore, of happy memory.
I have to call out the an error here, on the Filioque. The term "Filioque" was first inserted into the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed in 589 at the Third Council of Toledo, a national synod of Spanish Visigoths that rejected Arianism and embraced Catholic Christianity. That is not late in the first Milena. It’s was just 264 years after the Council of Nicene, and done to combat the Arian heresy in the Eastern Church.