You really didn't even need to say a word to the whole video, just the giggles and the laughs, that's the feeling that you should get from a motorcycle!!
Thanks for the great head to head comparison! I settled on a Scout 60 Red, abs. Love it! Just couldn’t see the difference in performance for me. The 60 is still damn fast! With 2nd gear able to easily hit 60 mph I think the 0-60 on the Scout 60 is 4.2 vs 3.9 for the 1130. 4.2 is well fast enough. And as you say, on the freeway it rolls. It will punch right up to 90 in very short order. Never need to go that fast. Not sure what top end is but well over a hundred. ( I’ll never try to find out. I put on bags, engine bars and a windshield. Other wise stock. Don’t see getting another bike for a long time.
I recently purchased a 2019 leftover Chief. And while at the dealership, I spent a lot of time looking at the Scout. The manufacturer did an incredible job. I created a term: crazychrome. because my Chief has so much chrome, it's crazy. Scout too. And its great chrome. Personally, I fell in love with the 100th Anniversary Scout, but I'd have trouble justifying all the extra dough from a plain Scout. Tremendous bike.
I WANT a Scout "Bobber." I USED to have an R100RS. I ALSO want a Challenger WITH a trailer hitch, so I can HAUL My Bobber, from City to City. I WAS a TRUCKER, for 35yrs. JS
Looking at a 2017 Sixty w/abs. It only has 2k miles. I went to the dealer and sat on one today to see how I fit and it fit me pretty well. I'm 6'2" and I'm a big boy. This review helped me a lot. This is the best most complete ride along that I've seen.. I think the 5 speed gearbox is more appealing to me for some reason and is probably the reason it feels more fun to ride. 1,000ccs is a decent amount of motor unless you're touring. I'm in SW Florida and I'm getting the itch to ride. Thanks for a great video... 😎👍
I really wish I could afford one of those scouts. They are so unique and eye catching. It's modern engineering with some timeless beauty. Unfortunately, in my country, they are double the price of the USA. So I will be getting something like a Rebel 500 or an Enfield.
@Bunnyshooter 223 Im a 5'3" male with a 27" inseam and have sat on quite a few bikes, Sportster, Shadow, and CT50 and I can tell you the Scout is the perfect fit for me. Just my two cents.
I just got the Titanium Challenger... my first Indian and absolutely love it. Three days after my purchase I test drove the Scout and thought it was a blast... would love to add one. And I was not a liquid cooled guy, thanks
I've been riding bikes my whole life and been on many different ones also. I just picked up the Stout. Bobber. And I wouldn't consider it an entry level. I consider it a rider's choice.
I love how every guy that reviews this bike has a moment when he screams like a giddy school girl on how fun the bike is. I can't wait to get mine in a couple months, and I will be giddy like a school girl too
The biggest difference between the 60 and scout, the 60 sputters out at 5k-5.5k rpms. The Scout will pull up to redline which is 8600rpm if I remember correctly. The gear ratios between the two are exactly the same, they just removed the 5th gear that is in the regular scout. So on the 60 you're basically going from 4th to 6th. From experience you don't need that 5th gear,
Its what I have actually . I like the 1,2,3,4,6 on gear set up actually .. and for 1500-2000 less depending on dealership costs.. etc..definitely the best buy
Most really. Except Bolts... And most Harleys these days. But my garage literally has 4 different makes. Indian, Honda, Moto Guzzi, and an unnamed as it has yet to be revealed and I am going to make a video on it when I can get a crew. Indian of OKC is just legit cool and allows me to ride everything they get so it does skew that way toward Indian, but I've done many of their used inventory as well. I plan on getting on the Shiver they have listed and such when they return to normal operations after the holidays.
@@RabidHedgehog I like how you chuckle at the end of your sentences. It shows that you really enjoy your bike experience. I own a Suzuki Boulevard and I like it but i'm interested in the scout 60 and the 60 bobber.
I have a bobber and after a 2 hour ride I got a Corbin solo seat. I also swapped out the stock Kendas for pirelli night dragons and that’s made a huge difference. I don’t feel the need for suspension work.
Hmmm on my 2019 scout sixty, I don't feel bogged until I'm under 2100. Granted with my Roland Sands slips ons, it's screaming if you're revving above 3k, so I have to live in the lower revs for city cruising or night riding.
you guys did a review about 4 years ago complimented the scout but also mentioned the things needing addressed front suspension sluggish below 4000 rpm mirrors and turn signals loose i would love to know if they have fixed those things in the last 4 years
Puts you way out of the power band on the scout. The redline is 8300rpm, 3500rpm on the scout is not straining the engine in any way. You can't think of it the way as older engines.
So many people in so many reviews comment on the same two issues with the Bobber, seat and suspension. Why don’t Indian listen and rectify this? If I’m going to spend £12 ,000to £13,000, I don’t want to spend another 10% rectifying the base problems. May as well have a blacked out Scout Sixty, add exhausts and bob the rear myself.
The reason I don't want to be riding anywhere near the peak power while going down the highway is because there is no need to be doing that. Why rev out the motor like that when there is no reason for it? If you need to pass, there is a gear selector lever near your left foot.
Good review bud ! I'm probally going to get the scout 60...same size as the scout just less cc's. It is still a leater bike but with 75 h.p...for me i don't want more. Now re 5 speed,It really is missing 5th..so it goes 1,2,3,4,6...all you do is take the reaves higher in 4th because it's a bigger jump to 6th because they elimanated the 5 gear... No problem,..less shifting You want to pass, drop one and zoom
Bobber or 883 which is more comfortable I have the 883 now and thinking of getting something new I'm fine on the 883 but I wouldn't mind the extra power gear and USB port 😂 was the Bobber better then the iron 883
I just don't know... I have watched some video's on this bike and the turn signals and tail lights are bouncing all over and getting out of alignment. The mirrors getting constantly out of adjustment. Front shocks bottoming out like crazy. Then I watch yours and things seem okay. Completely confused about this bike without having the ability to ride one.
This video alone, and the giggling, really tempts me to switch over from my Sportster. I'm trying to figure out how to make speeds higher than 60mph more comfortable, and doesn't seem to be an issue on the Scout Sixty. Granted, overall price difference between my used 2003 883 is quite different from a bike that's only been on the market for a couple of years. Hmm...
I like the handlebars and look of the bobber the best, but the short suspension and seat kill it. The Scout definitely has the lowest seat height of any bike out there. An oompa loompa could ride one.
Honestly as much as I like the scout line, it irritates me that you shell out so much money and they still skimp on the seat and suspension (and then have the audacity to sell them at a crazy markup). For the same price I could pick up a metric cruiser and get everything I want and a backrub on the way out.
So why does Indian make the bobber the heaviest when the bobber style works off the bike being light? Not a complaint the bikes are sexy af just curious.
My wallet just advised me: buy the 60 Bobber... put a set of progressive shocks on the back with the money saved! Great review! Btw does anyone buy those butt ugly Highway Bars? Best, Pete.
Like all your videos..have a question...how in the " hell "..do you pick up d dropped Harley..that weights 950 lbs..by your self??? The butt on the seat. Pushing with your legs..is B.S...it does not work on A Ultra Classic...unless you are a weight lifter on the Olympic team Need help please...am 6 ft 1..245 lbs..ole farmboy..not a puke..either..cant pick this pig up..by myself...???
I have actually had the unfortunate pleasure of needing to do that and it was an Ultra Classic. The way to do it is the butt to the seat and arms on the fender and bars and to rock it, basically getting the bike to build momentum back to its wheels. But rocking it is the key so you are not dead lifting.
It could have been cleaner yes but I had to contend with 40+ wind gusts and around 30 sustained so no matter what I did it was bad that day... I have used that setup before on clean wind days and it sounds good
@@RabidHedgehog can't wait to try all of them. I am in the process of getting my license, here in NZ, you have to ride on your learner licence for period of time and only certain motorcycles are permitted for riding on learner's. So I get inspired by watching you ride all these test videos.
Glad to inspire a new rider! Here in the US it is a bit different. In some states at the age of 14, such as Oklahoma where I am from, you can get a motorcycle license and ride up to a 300CC. You are only permitted to ride at certain times of the day or if you use it to go to school, work, place of worship, you may use after those hours, but only on the way home. At the age of 16 if you test with the MSF course you get a M endorsement on your DL and are allowed all sizes. If you are an adult you simply take the MSF and are allowed all sizes as well, or if you test at our local driving centers same, you can do all sizes. Keep at it though. Small displacement bikes are so fun. The reason? Well simple, it is more fun to take a slower bike to its limits than it is to ride a larger faster bike far from them.
Why would you disrespect any Sportsters by comparing the little scout 60 to them? The 60s are Polaris's entry level girls bike. You should never compare a real Harley to something like a 60 or a Rebel or a Bolt. Compare the 60 to the (fake) Harley Street 750 or the Street 500.,....please don't try to embarrass an American Icon like Harley Davison like that.
Um? Sportster 883/1200 48 HP and 53.4 ft-lb TQ For 883 with weight of 564 starting price 8999.00 1200 67 HP and 73 Ft-Lb TQ price 9999.00 while Scout Sixty 9499.00 with 999CC engine with a 5 speed 78HP with 65 Ft-Lb putting it on par and a weight of 542 running. Bike is not fake and built in the US and will disrespect any Sportster on the street or on a Strip with its speed and handling... So it's fair. Owned plenty of Harley motorcycles, three of the 6 were Sportsters, I'll go with this any day.
@@RabidHedgehog because to a HD fanatic, the Scout does not outperform in the most important factors: noise and vibration. For some, those are what makes a bike "good".
Indian scout is just overall a better bike than the sportster. Doesnt mean those are awful bikes, ride what you like. But to say that comparing them disrespects harley? Psh please! The scout out performs harley in every way and is American made. Just the other day was riding and was told by harley riders that the sportster is a girls bike and a waste of money. So calling the indian scout a girls bike is kind of funny when harley guys call their sportsters girls bikes.
Also I like some harleys, Im not a harley hater... but I wouldnt say Harley is all American these days... they have plenty of manufacturing in China. I just dont get why you guys say that complimenting a different bike and comparing two is "disrespecting"
Thank you for the review. I got the 2022 scout sixty and fastest I've gone was 130 MPH. So impressed and best decision I have ever made.
Ride it safe!
You still liking it?
@@andyc5209 I already have 29k on it with zero issues. Best decision I've ever made.
You really didn't even need to say a word to the whole video, just the giggles and the laughs, that's the feeling that you should get from a motorcycle!!
Thanks for the great head to head comparison! I settled on a Scout 60 Red, abs. Love it! Just couldn’t see the difference in performance for me. The 60 is still damn fast! With 2nd gear able to easily hit 60 mph I think the 0-60 on the Scout 60 is 4.2 vs 3.9 for the 1130. 4.2 is well fast enough. And as you say, on the freeway it rolls. It will punch right up to 90 in very short order. Never need to go that fast. Not sure what top end is but well over a hundred. ( I’ll never try to find out. I put on bags, engine bars and a windshield. Other wise stock. Don’t see getting another bike for a long time.
I recently purchased a 2019 leftover Chief. And while at the dealership, I spent a lot of time looking at the Scout. The manufacturer did an incredible job. I created a term: crazychrome. because my Chief has so much chrome, it's crazy. Scout too. And its great chrome. Personally, I fell in love with the 100th Anniversary Scout, but I'd have trouble justifying all the extra dough from a plain Scout. Tremendous bike.
I WANT a Scout "Bobber." I USED to have an R100RS.
I ALSO want a Challenger WITH a trailer hitch, so I can HAUL My Bobber, from City to City.
I WAS a TRUCKER, for 35yrs.
JS
Thank you for a comprehensive look at the Scout family! Appreciate your insights.
I was on cycletrader just the other day and I was looking really hard at some of these Indians. I love the styling and looks😍😍
Looking at a 2017 Sixty w/abs. It only has 2k miles. I went to the dealer and sat on one today to see how I fit and it fit me pretty well. I'm 6'2" and I'm a big boy. This review helped me a lot. This is the best most complete ride along that I've seen.. I think the 5 speed gearbox is more appealing to me for some reason and is probably the reason it feels more fun to ride. 1,000ccs is a decent amount of motor unless you're touring. I'm in SW Florida and I'm getting the itch to ride. Thanks for a great video... 😎👍
I really wish I could afford one of those scouts. They are so unique and eye catching. It's modern engineering with some timeless beauty. Unfortunately, in my country, they are double the price of the USA. So I will be getting something like a Rebel 500 or an Enfield.
Rebel for the win!!!! I mean I might be biased a bit due to the fact I have one in the garage.
a fellow canadian!
The scout 60 is just fantastic, it is my next bike when the used prices become right for me
I really did enjoy it now that I got to let her breathe a little.
@Bunnyshooter 223 I'm 5'2" and sat on a Scout sixty. Perfect fit.. It will definitely be my next bike. The style alone is impressive.
Same me
@Bunnyshooter 223 Im a 5'3" male with a 27" inseam and have sat on quite a few bikes, Sportster, Shadow, and CT50 and I can tell you the Scout is the perfect fit for me. Just my two cents.
I just got the Titanium Challenger... my first Indian and absolutely love it. Three days after my purchase I test drove the Scout and thought it was a blast... would love to add one. And I was not a liquid cooled guy, thanks
Of the 3, the Scout 60 surprised me the most. While I still the Bobber the best, I had more fun on the 60 than the standard Scout.
Saying the Bobber made me go Oof again lol.
I've been riding bikes my whole life and been on many different ones also.
I just picked up the Stout. Bobber. And I wouldn't consider it an entry level. I consider it a rider's choice.
What an amazing review. Doing the 3 scout models back to back is just what I needed. Thanks a lot for this great video.
Thank you for the support!
I love how every guy that reviews this bike has a moment when he screams like a giddy school girl on how fun the bike is. I can't wait to get mine in a couple months, and I will be giddy like a school girl too
@bluelion7342 Did you get it?
So cool to see all 3 at one time. Thank you. New subscriber.
Thank you!
The biggest difference between the 60 and scout, the 60 sputters out at 5k-5.5k rpms. The Scout will pull up to redline which is 8600rpm if I remember correctly. The gear ratios between the two are exactly the same, they just removed the 5th gear that is in the regular scout. So on the 60 you're basically going from 4th to 6th. From experience you don't need that 5th gear,
Great review! I have a bobber sixty and I love it.
Love your reviews man, keep up the good work! Very detailed.
Scout Dark Horse 1250..... Game Changer!
That would be good.
I think the Sixty is the best bang for the buck. Not as much chrome , which I prefer .
I like it very much as well.
Its what I have actually . I like the 1,2,3,4,6 on gear set up actually .. and for 1500-2000 less depending on dealership costs.. etc..definitely the best buy
I’ll buy a Scout as soon as they put the new 4” diameter digital Ride Command on it.
Great video! Thumbs up man! I could really feel the bikes through your video. Amazing work. Thanks bunches 🙂
Thank you!
Great review! Thanks for the exhaust audio samples. Haven't found another review video that offers that!
Thanks for the support!
just saw you on Adam's video from OKC and checking out your videos. Subbed too
Thank you for the support! We really appreciated his shout out and we appreciate you subbing :)
Adam who?
looks cool but painfull for lower backs, I owned one for 1 season, then sold it
Thanks for the video.
You're welcome!
This guy really loves motorcycles(indians).
Most really. Except Bolts... And most Harleys these days. But my garage literally has 4 different makes. Indian, Honda, Moto Guzzi, and an unnamed as it has yet to be revealed and I am going to make a video on it when I can get a crew. Indian of OKC is just legit cool and allows me to ride everything they get so it does skew that way toward Indian, but I've done many of their used inventory as well. I plan on getting on the Shiver they have listed and such when they return to normal operations after the holidays.
@@RabidHedgehog I like how you chuckle at the end of your sentences. It shows that you really enjoy your bike experience. I own a Suzuki Boulevard and I like it but i'm interested in the scout 60 and the 60 bobber.
I have a bobber and after a 2 hour ride I got a Corbin solo seat. I also swapped out the stock Kendas for pirelli night dragons and that’s made a huge difference. I don’t feel the need for suspension work.
Nice advice!
Rabid Hedgehog great video, a lot of great info.
The final transmission ratio is the same for the scout 60 and scout. But the final gear ratios are different
Hmmm on my 2019 scout sixty, I don't feel bogged until I'm under 2100. Granted with my Roland Sands slips ons, it's screaming if you're revving above 3k, so I have to live in the lower revs for city cruising or night riding.
44:01 I’ve told so many girls that same thing
44:03 minute mark. Nonetheless, its still funny. 😁🤣😂
What up Oklahoma.
you guys did a review about 4 years ago complimented the scout but also mentioned the things needing addressed front suspension sluggish below 4000 rpm mirrors and turn signals loose i would love to know if they have fixed those things in the last 4 years
Yes they have addressed many of those things. We have one in the garage now.
I wonder if they can be geared higher for folks who do highway speed more than city drivers? I’d like to keep the RPMs under 2500 at highway speed
Puts you way out of the power band on the scout. The redline is 8300rpm, 3500rpm on the scout is not straining the engine in any way. You can't think of it the way as older engines.
very fun n yet useful review. thanks
Good job. Awesome video.
Thanks!
So many people in so many reviews comment on the same two issues with the Bobber, seat and suspension. Why don’t Indian listen and rectify this? If I’m going to spend £12 ,000to £13,000, I don’t want to spend another 10% rectifying the base problems. May as well have a blacked out Scout Sixty, add exhausts and bob the rear myself.
Will the seat of the sixty and bobber the same? Will it fit?
Fantastic review all you need to know thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Is wheel base and rake different ?
51:25 you definitely... definately feel that extra inch is missing.
THAT'S WHAT SHE SAIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDD. 🤣🥳😎🤪
hahaha, poor her....
Hey came over from Adam Sandoval . Just so you know 😎🏍🇺🇸
Thanks! We appreciate the it :)
The reason I don't want to be riding anywhere near the peak power while going down the highway is because there is no need to be doing that. Why rev out the motor like that when there is no reason for it? If you need to pass, there is a gear selector lever near your left foot.
Good review bud ! I'm probally going to get the scout 60...same size as the scout just less cc's.
It is still a leater bike but with 75 h.p...for me i don't want more.
Now re 5 speed,It really is missing 5th..so it goes
1,2,3,4,6...all you do is take the reaves higher in 4th because it's a bigger jump to 6th because they elimanated the 5 gear...
No problem,..less shifting
You want to pass, drop one and zoom
I did not mind the missing gear because the engine paired with it liked to rev towards it.
Man those roads are in rough shape.
Yeah, it's a way of life here.
Bobber or 883 which is more comfortable I have the 883 now and thinking of getting something new I'm fine on the 883 but I wouldn't mind the extra power gear and USB port 😂 was the Bobber better then the iron 883
Equally as bumpy but Bobber more powerful and modern.
Why is it that drivers get behind the wheel and have no idea as to where they are going, that was a close call with that stupid Jeep.
Yeah...
I was scared for him too. I'd have been saying a little prayer during that little bit of silence after that happened.
Ug, said it it'll rev to 9000 rpm... it will not. 8300 is redline.
Would you ride 2 up on the 60?
Heck I ride two up on a Royal Enfield Meteor 350 down the interstate here. The sixty is capable and plenty powerful to do so and stable.
Nice bikes. Please use both hands on bars. No need for hand jester while riding and talking. Stay safe brother
Horn covers? Where?
I just don't know... I have watched some video's on this bike and the turn signals and tail lights are bouncing all over and getting out of alignment. The mirrors getting constantly out of adjustment. Front shocks bottoming out like crazy. Then I watch yours and things seem okay. Completely confused about this bike without having the ability to ride one.
This video alone, and the giggling, really tempts me to switch over from my Sportster. I'm trying to figure out how to make speeds higher than 60mph more comfortable, and doesn't seem to be an issue on the Scout Sixty. Granted, overall price difference between my used 2003 883 is quite different from a bike that's only been on the market for a couple of years. Hmm...
Yeah that is a hard jump sometimes to make. But it will be worth it, and the 10K mile service intervals are worth it as well.
I like the handlebars and look of the bobber the best, but the short suspension and seat kill it. The Scout definitely has the lowest seat height of any bike out there. An oompa loompa could ride one.
I did a Bobber 20 when it came out and the faux suspension seat and the mini apes really make that bike a better rider than the standard.
Honestly as much as I like the scout line, it irritates me that you shell out so much money and they still skimp on the seat and suspension (and then have the audacity to sell them at a crazy markup). For the same price I could pick up a metric cruiser and get everything I want and a backrub on the way out.
So why does Indian make the bobber the heaviest when the bobber style works off the bike being light? Not a complaint the bikes are sexy af just curious.
I am not 100% sure why these are the heaviest of the breed
39:12 batman!?
Polaris Slingshots do indeed make it look like Bruce is out for a cruise in the day time.
I haven’t gone through all the comments but dam 71 comments, not bad... 👍🏽
Very rare for all of the Scouts to go out back to back to back.
My wallet just advised me: buy the 60 Bobber... put a set of progressive shocks on the back with the money saved! Great review! Btw does anyone buy those butt ugly Highway Bars? Best, Pete.
Like all your videos..have a question...how in the " hell "..do you pick up d dropped Harley..that weights 950 lbs..by your self??? The butt on the seat. Pushing with your legs..is B.S...it does not work on A Ultra Classic...unless you are a weight lifter on the Olympic team
Need help please...am 6 ft 1..245 lbs..ole farmboy..not a puke..either..cant pick this pig up..by myself...???
I have actually had the unfortunate pleasure of needing to do that and it was an Ultra Classic. The way to do it is the butt to the seat and arms on the fender and bars and to rock it, basically getting the bike to build momentum back to its wheels. But rocking it is the key so you are not dead lifting.
Phil Layman
There are good videos on you tube for that
Check it out just search
Terrible sound sampling
It could have been cleaner yes but I had to contend with 40+ wind gusts and around 30 sustained so no matter what I did it was bad that day... I have used that setup before on clean wind days and it sounds good
I was expecting to see a rabid hedgehog while you were on the road, not cool
Well he's a mascot that is in the corner that somewhat is over the road sometimes. Do I at least get a nod for that?
Rabid Hedgehog I suppose...
I Think Scout 60 is missing the 5th gear, so it only has 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6. That should never stop anyone to ride :-)
Fun way to look at it.
@@RabidHedgehog can't wait to try all of them. I am in the process of getting my license, here in NZ, you have to ride on your learner licence for period of time and only certain motorcycles are permitted for riding on learner's. So I get inspired by watching you ride all these test videos.
Glad to inspire a new rider! Here in the US it is a bit different. In some states at the age of 14, such as Oklahoma where I am from, you can get a motorcycle license and ride up to a 300CC. You are only permitted to ride at certain times of the day or if you use it to go to school, work, place of worship, you may use after those hours, but only on the way home. At the age of 16 if you test with the MSF course you get a M endorsement on your DL and are allowed all sizes. If you are an adult you simply take the MSF and are allowed all sizes as well, or if you test at our local driving centers same, you can do all sizes. Keep at it though. Small displacement bikes are so fun. The reason? Well simple, it is more fun to take a slower bike to its limits than it is to ride a larger faster bike far from them.
Actually the scout 60 is more like 1,2,3,4,5 1/2.
Blah
Ugly ugly pipes.
These too can be changed.
Why would you disrespect any Sportsters by comparing the little scout 60 to them? The 60s are Polaris's entry level girls bike. You should never compare a real Harley to something like a 60 or a Rebel or a Bolt. Compare the 60 to the (fake) Harley Street 750 or the Street 500.,....please don't try to embarrass an American Icon like Harley Davison like that.
Um? Sportster 883/1200 48 HP and 53.4 ft-lb TQ For 883 with weight of 564 starting price 8999.00 1200 67 HP and 73 Ft-Lb TQ price 9999.00 while Scout Sixty 9499.00 with 999CC engine with a 5 speed 78HP with 65 Ft-Lb putting it on par and a weight of 542 running. Bike is not fake and built in the US and will disrespect any Sportster on the street or on a Strip with its speed and handling... So it's fair. Owned plenty of Harley motorcycles, three of the 6 were Sportsters, I'll go with this any day.
@@RabidHedgehog because to a HD fanatic, the Scout does not outperform in the most important factors: noise and vibration. For some, those are what makes a bike "good".
Ill take a Polaris Scout over a Kawasaki Sportster anyday !
Indian scout is just overall a better bike than the sportster. Doesnt mean those are awful bikes, ride what you like. But to say that comparing them disrespects harley? Psh please! The scout out performs harley in every way and is American made. Just the other day was riding and was told by harley riders that the sportster is a girls bike and a waste of money. So calling the indian scout a girls bike is kind of funny when harley guys call their sportsters girls bikes.
Also I like some harleys, Im not a harley hater... but I wouldnt say Harley is all American these days... they have plenty of manufacturing in China. I just dont get why you guys say that complimenting a different bike and comparing two is "disrespecting"