to Bob wilkin, THANK you for preaching and teaching the truth on salvation, I cant wait to see your debate with lordship salvationist steve gregg this friday. I got into watching steve gregg several months ago as he teaches correctly on calvinism and a few other thigs, THEN I started hearing him teach lordship salvation by his bazarre teaching on "the Kingdom of God" where he basically states that "Kingdom" means "king-Dominion" where Jesus is our "king" and we are ONLY IN HIS Kingdom if we are "under christs dominion/lordship/kingship". he admits he himself is not sinless or perfect but he claims he is submitted to christs "kingship". he also falsly teaches that the parable of the vine means "abiding in christ" means "we are submitted to christ as king". IMO he is a dangerous teacher. just a heads up to some of his teachings. God bless you brother in your ministry and in this debate.
You mentioned a professor who supported the belief that James and Paul proclaimed two different gospels. How can this be ??. I know of only one saving gospel message which is the same gospel message you proclaim so clearly.
Grace Evangelical society. Bob Wilkin, There's nothing confusing about the filling of the Holy Spirit. The Bible teaches the rebirth, which is when the Holy Spirit enters people af their moment of salvation. Then there's the baptism with the Holy Ghost with the Biblical evidence of speaking in tongues. This is being full of the Holy Ghost. It's quiet obviously that you don't have type two. The Bible records eight supernatural manifestations of tongues, and everyone are important to the believers.
Sinless Perfection ought to be the case - in every Case - if the "Control" concept were true . Yet , that's clearly impossible (1 John 1:6-9) . Same goes for Theological Determinism (Calvinism) where "Irresistible Grace" (and the T.U.L.I.P Package Deal) inexorably ushers forth with Zero ability to do otherwise than Irresistibly and Unconditionally acted upon by a Singular Will . So , the "Control" concept is utterly falsified .
Both types are pre-fall of Israel when Paul gave up on them and saving the ppl of all nations per the will of God was the mission. Different target group with different rules, different operations of the Holy Spirit, different goals. Keep that in mind in pre-apostle Paul scriptures because those passages pertain to Jews and their law and the promises made to them
Yes too much confusion on the 'controlling" idea. It stems from not understanding the scriptures are using metaphors to describe experience. To be filled with joy is a metaphor as if joy was a liquid and your heart a cup. To be full of joy is a metaphor as if you are filled up to overflowing with joy. Likewise to be full of the Spirit is the same metaphor. But the Holy Spirit is a Person so the metaphor is not literal but description of experience. The Greek in Ephesians 5:18 is not the same as used in ACTS and Ephesians is Paul's use of language and ACTS is the same Author as the Gospel of Luke. (Luke). The filling of the Spirit is described happening to Zechariah and Elizabeth as "prophetic enablement" it always precedes something being spoken. The metaphor is that the Spirit fills and speech overflows as a result. Ephesians is similar in that singing in Psalms and spiritual songs result but the Greek is different and continuous so they should not be confused. In Acts the key is ACTS 1:5 where Jesus promises the disciples to be baptized with the Spirit (which was also a metaphor coined by John the Baptist to describe the Messianic ministry).Jesus says "the promise of the Father which ye have heard from me." But the ONLY promise of the Father that Jesus had given to the disciples in Luke's gospel was Luke 11:13. The reader of ACTS is supposed to recall that. The gospel of John didn't exist when Acts was first read so we cannot use John to interpret Acts. The promise of the Father is "if you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to THOSE who ASK him". the Greek for give and ask is present tense so it's a repeatable promise. The disciples in Acts used it in Acts 2 and 4 as examples but the result is always in speech. It shouldn't be confused with living holy lives, but an experience like that can increase how one walks in the Spirit. Jack Deere from Dallas Theological Seminary has taught on this for years. But to avoid confusion the language of metaphor of experience needs to be understood. David Pawson has a few videos on the many metaphors. Some try to avoid the "promise of the Father" in Luke 11:13 saying it's not for today (eg Billy Graham in his Holy Spirit book and Scofield Reference Bible) by saying that was a promise for people during his ministry prior to the Spirit being sent at Pentecost. But AW Tozer said, if God didn't want me to pray that promise why did he put in his word for me to see today and get blessed haha.. Behind that humor is that the gospel of Luke and Acts are written to an audience AFTER Pentecost to instruct them.
This channel will save unbelievers ❤
I don’t normally listen to Bob, but since I saw the topic, I thought to have a listen. Wow, I just realised I wasn’t quenching the Spirit by doing so.
to Bob wilkin, THANK you for preaching and teaching the truth on salvation, I cant wait to see your debate with lordship salvationist steve gregg this friday. I got into watching steve gregg several months ago as he teaches correctly on calvinism and a few other thigs, THEN I started hearing him teach lordship salvation by his bazarre teaching on "the Kingdom of God" where he basically states that "Kingdom" means "king-Dominion" where Jesus is our "king" and we are ONLY IN HIS Kingdom if we are "under christs dominion/lordship/kingship". he admits he himself is not sinless or perfect but he claims he is submitted to christs "kingship". he also falsly teaches that the parable of the vine means "abiding in christ" means "we are submitted to christ as king". IMO he is a dangerous teacher. just a heads up to some of his teachings. God bless you brother in your ministry and in this debate.
I KNOW THE MOMENT I BELIEVED I CHANGED I HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT DAY AND STILL HAVE AND YES WE DO SIN BUT WE TRY OUR BEST NOT TO
But now it is no longer I who do it but sin that lives in me. Rom. 7;17,20
You mentioned a professor who supported the belief that James and Paul proclaimed two different gospels. How can this be ??. I know of only one saving gospel message which is the same gospel message you proclaim so clearly.
What is type 2 filling? You mentioned this many times. Is there type 1?
Grace Evangelical society. Bob Wilkin, There's nothing confusing about the filling of the Holy Spirit.
The Bible teaches the rebirth, which is when the Holy Spirit enters people af their moment of salvation.
Then there's the baptism with the Holy Ghost with the Biblical evidence of speaking in tongues. This is being full of the Holy Ghost. It's quiet obviously that you don't have type two.
The Bible records eight supernatural manifestations of tongues, and everyone are important to the believers.
I'm KJV only but he🎯
Sinless Perfection ought to be the case - in every Case - if the "Control" concept were true .
Yet , that's clearly impossible (1 John 1:6-9) .
Same goes for Theological Determinism (Calvinism) where "Irresistible Grace" (and the T.U.L.I.P Package Deal) inexorably ushers forth with Zero ability to do otherwise than Irresistibly and Unconditionally acted upon by a Singular Will .
So , the "Control" concept is utterly falsified .
Is it absolute that an elder of the church is type 1 filling or enabling as you say sir?
Please explain the meaning of type 1 and 2 filling?
*Type 1* = Being spiritual/mature. Acts 6:3, 5; 11:24; 13:52.
*Type 2* = Special enablement. Acts 2:4; 4:8, 31; 7:55, 13:9. Does Type 2 occur today?
Both types are pre-fall of Israel when Paul gave up on them and saving the ppl of all nations per the will of God was the mission. Different target group with different rules, different operations of the Holy Spirit, different goals. Keep that in mind in pre-apostle Paul scriptures because those passages pertain to Jews and their law and the promises made to them
Yes too much confusion on the 'controlling" idea. It stems from not understanding the scriptures are using metaphors to describe experience. To be filled with joy is a metaphor as if joy was a liquid and your heart a cup. To be full of joy is a metaphor as if you are filled up to overflowing with joy. Likewise to be full of the Spirit is the same metaphor. But the Holy Spirit is a Person so the metaphor is not literal but description of experience. The Greek in Ephesians 5:18 is not the same as used in ACTS and Ephesians is Paul's use of language and ACTS is the same Author as the Gospel of Luke. (Luke). The filling of the Spirit is described happening to Zechariah and Elizabeth as "prophetic enablement" it always precedes something being spoken. The metaphor is that the Spirit fills and speech overflows as a result.
Ephesians is similar in that singing in Psalms and spiritual songs result but the Greek is different and continuous so they should not be confused.
In Acts the key is ACTS 1:5 where Jesus promises the disciples to be baptized with the Spirit (which was also a metaphor coined by John the Baptist to describe the Messianic ministry).Jesus says "the promise of the Father which ye have heard from me." But the ONLY promise of the Father that Jesus had given to the disciples in Luke's gospel was Luke 11:13. The reader of ACTS is supposed to recall that. The gospel of John didn't exist when Acts was first read so we cannot use John to interpret Acts.
The promise of the Father is "if you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to THOSE who ASK him".
the Greek for give and ask is present tense so it's a repeatable promise. The disciples in Acts used it in Acts 2 and 4 as examples but the result is always in speech. It shouldn't be confused with living holy lives, but an experience like that can increase how one walks in the Spirit.
Jack Deere from Dallas Theological Seminary has taught on this for years.
But to avoid confusion the language of metaphor of experience needs to be understood. David Pawson has a few videos on the many metaphors.
Some try to avoid the "promise of the Father" in Luke 11:13 saying it's not for today (eg Billy Graham in his Holy Spirit book and Scofield Reference Bible) by saying that was a promise for people during his ministry prior to the Spirit being sent at Pentecost. But AW Tozer said, if God didn't want me to pray that promise why did he put in his word for me to see today and get blessed haha.. Behind that humor is that the gospel of Luke and Acts are written to an audience AFTER Pentecost to instruct them.
NKJV?
Donald Trump is filled with the Holy Spirit. right?