Crimewatch UK October 1991
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- Опубліковано 1 лис 2018
- Nick Ross and Sue Cook present. Cases include the kidnapping of a Tesco manager and his family in Ipswich, Suffolk. The murder of shop worker Sheila Egner in Nottingham and a very serious attack on a French lady in Guernsey.
I love seeing all the old cars. Sierras, escorts, Granadas, Cortinas, cavaliers.
90% of the 80s murders involved a cortina usually XD 90s the stolen car of choice was a cavalier, remember my dad had one of these and it got stolen . . .
U can stil see Sierras sometimes
Viv Randolph and Orions
What is a Grenadas? A new model of the Granada? Wish I could see one😀
Me too! My favourite car ever featured in a CWUK reconstruction was a car called a Ford Granada Scorpio. I know nothing about cars but as a child I saw a Scorpio parked across the road from my home within weeks of the one I'd seen on Crimewatch, and I fantasised that this was the one driven by the criminals sought on the programme! I so wanted it to be, however barmy that sounds! :-D
I love when the detective called the kidnappers “villains”. :)
Just made me laugh so much
Yes, it gives it a very Regan & Carter Sweeney-esqe vibe
ruddy cheeks and jowls?
Good old fashioned copper speak. He probably wore a chain (for the whistle) on his jacket too!
Great to see these old episodes again. During the 80/90s this was unmissable tv. Reconstructions were excellent.
5:35 It must've felt like being robbed by Spandau Ballet.
The highlights of my evening as I lay in bed settling down before work tomorrow! Thank you, evening fellow Crimewatchers!
Is that your pic on profile
@@meyergaelle8108 yes it is, why? X
@@LaaLaaMonroe 🌹
Cmon on now love. you dont work. Only men work.
work tomorrow> hows the internet stripping going>?
Most surprising thing watching all these episodes is how many murders go unsolved
Simon Davies It has to be pointed out that they only showed ones that were hard to solve on Crimewatch !
Lack of dna it's better now as 20 plus years go by there crime is catching up with them.
@Allan That wasn't the case back in the 1980s/early 90s.
Have to remember this was over 30 years ago. Crime detection techniques have improved massively and society has changed a lot. For one thing, armed robbery for cash pretty much no longer exists. There's so much less cash being used now and technology means it'd be unusable if stolen
They are all unsolved? To start with?
"The German" involved in the Tesco robbery was actually a lad from Sheffield that was actually English , he even talked with the accent in his normal life for whatever reason ???
Think he pulled off a few of these
What an idiot , the German accent was a major factor in his capture .
@dennytango Yep. A very good Crimewatch File episode.
probably worked at Buckingham palace
@@davewhitehead8601 Yes, played by Mark Heap (Friday Night Dinner)
Tony from Hollyoaks in the first reconstruction!
John Leeson voice of k9 in the first too
The Sheila Egner case was very sad. Her poor husband was obviously heartbroken.
Has her killer to this day been caught?
@@SuperTed19021 I don’t think so. 😞
sad...
The actress playing Sheila Egner is Hilda Braid who played Nana Moon in EastEnders
Her voice is a dead give away
Was also in Citizen Smith if I recall!
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I was just about to comment that too. I never recognised her until she started to speak.
Wasn’t ‘Wolfie’ was her catchphrase in Citizen Smith?
Anyone go back onto Google and see who killed some of these people ✋
The first case is a *superb* Crimewatch File with Mark Heap. And it was predated by the Kelvedon bank raid shown in Crimewatch a couple of years before.
The weekend starts here.
John Lesson as the Tesco manager he did the voice for K9 in Doctor Who for those who didn't know
Affirmative
He sometimes played characters in Beadles About, being a doctor who fan seeing him at conventions, I’d have rumbled him
Fascinating … yawn.
Thanks redcard74 and evening fellow Crimewatcher's.
Sheila Egner case seems to be still unsolved. So sad.
The wife in the Tesco kidnap played Ronnie Birtles mum in Grange Hill 1985-1990.
Oh yeah!
@@dominewimbury2039 The Husband was the voice of K9 in Doctor Who!
VID- O-RAMA I think he also played Davros - leader of the Daleks in the 70s. Amazing plastic surgery and how he can walk again!
Sure the son that opened the door was in Grange Hill as well.
Does it matter?
Thank you for uploading this . Enjoying this with a glass of champagne . Have a great weekend everyone Xxx
Thanks RedCard74! Almost seen the first seven years in their entirety!
Yes, although December 1991 is one at the moment that I do not have.
@@redcard7475oh thats a shame thanks anyway its amazing you've gone to thr trouble to upload them all. the other ones you do have i trust you rightfully now have your own copies of the three missing ones thanks to Andy JS!
redcard74 I’m sure someone must have that episode in there collection, did u say u had the crimewatch files too how many of these do u have?
@@rtd8860 Huge thanks to Andy JS he has just uploaded December 1991! What a ledgend!! I feel like I have channed the luck of the Irish through to him haha jokes no i take no credit! Huge thanks of course goes to Andy JS and RedCard74! Ledgends!!
5.12 is that Tony from Hollyoaks?
the sheila egner murder was so brutal you really feel for her husband
yeah. shame...
More like the Security guard went with him, To make sure he wasn't lying and making off with the Money 😂
Sue looking lovely as always, Love the jumper!
Michael Lowery Her hair looked really good in that style, too. :)
@@NancyDrewe A most gracious woman … and I should know.
This music is just perfect for the show
I hope Lor has managed to recover from that horrific ordeal and rebuild her life. She’d be in her mid fifties now.
probably dead at least in mind like me?
Hope they caught the psycho who attacked the french woman can't find any info.
Could this be him? Everything fits... www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-guernsey-27976678
@@andrewsmith2757 Could be. But his offences sound far less violent than this one. I suppose being Guernsey it's possible a holiday maker did it and left sharpish.
Went to Guernsey to improve her English? I thought it was French there. Why not move to England if you want to learn English?
Well, it wasn’t Anthony Hopkins!
I fall asleep every night to crimewatch, I drive listening to it, I’m not sure I’d function anymore without it ha
Yeah it can get addictive like but thats rediculous.
@@CARLIN4737 true though, still doing it
Wonder how the criminal are feeling when they watch this now as OAPs…
Cheers again RC74 !!!
Brilliant. I love it. Good evening all. Have a super weekend x
your face my arse.
1:30 oh no.It's one of those spooky clay heads!
Haha yes! The added hair made it look even scarier!!
I know it’s been solved but I can’t find a shred of proof online about this clay head case.
@@ifaiful it was never solved I live right by there your right there is no info about it .
Thx redcard74 ,hey have a great weekend CW family
Have a lovely weekend CrimeWatchers enjoy your day Xx
Interesting to see they already had a whiteboard in 1991. I didn't see one for the first time until about 1995.
I left school in 1982 and there were some whiteboards then
@@burnleyfan11965 Your school must have been more advanced than mine.
Left Secondary school mid 1995 and white boards were starting to be put up in classes then.
NOBO done them before that?
@burnleyfan11965 left in 81 we already had them in some classes
Does anyone have any info on the Solihull body - a Google search does not appear to show any results.
Sadly, it appears that Sheila Egner's murder is still unsolved.
And thank you as always Redcard74!
There's nothing online about the body Brendan ... This is the case I was asking about on the March 1991 comments section. Haven't seen it since the original broadcast 27 years ago, but the clay head and flowery shirt had stuck with me and I've googled it once or twice in recent years to see if they ever identified him. No joy though
I know they did if him; a show called how do they do that said so infact. He was a solicitor. But alas there is no media at all on this case. So terrible things are being buried now.
@@ifaiful LInk?
Lovely Sue sounds like she has a cold 🤧
Needs some Vic rubbing on her chest
I would happily apply some vapour rub …
Evening All x
Nana Moon from Eastenders in the Sheila Egner reconstruction & Tony Hutchinson from Hollyoaks as the son in the Tesco family kidnapping/robbery reconstruction.
Thanks RedCard74! do you have any eps from 1995? That’s when I started watching religiously
He only has up to 1994.
rs84 Henrik Hanssen, Chironss and AndyJS have them on their channel.
Le Val they don’t have the eps I want to watch Jan-March 1995 in particular. I don’t think andy has that year but I’ll ask him
@@rs-qt1qg I can search for Jan to March 1995 if you'd like.
Do you want your cake first or what
I live for sue’s hair changes over the seasons
You old spunker.
You may need psychiatric help.
@@CARLIN4737 why?
Yes, I particularly like her hair in '91 - so glossy!
She uses Vosene. I used to see it in her bathroom.
"distasteful and unpleasant crime" LOLOLOLOL talking about understatement
The Solihull body is the case I was asking about in the March 1991 comments section ... Can vividly remember the flowery shirt and clay head. It's stuck with me for the past 27 years! :)
Those clay heads always frightened me as a kid.It's uncanny though how accurate they turn out to be if the victim gets identified
Me too Ian ... I think that's why this case stuck with me. It was also just after the Karen Price Crimewatch file, so as a 13 year old at the time, I was fascinated by this kind of detective work.
@@ianbousfield5007 The clay head almost certainly created by Dr. Richard Neave from Manchester University, who also reconstructed the skull that led t the identification of Karen Price.
it was never solved
@@CuriosSpiritual Did you say on another thread further up this page that you live right next to where it was found?? ... So did they ever identify him at least?? Or get any further than they had here?
The first incident desk murder was a contract killing by her husband!
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You're correct, MtG:
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It appears that the "other woman" seen in the Merc was the victim's niece, Anita McKeown (referred to as "Anita Murray" in the notes to the video).
www.irishtimes.com/opinion/an-irishman-s-diary-1.157526
www.irishtimes.com/news/dundalk-man-guilty-of-manslaughter-of-ni-woman-1.124765
www.irishtimes.com/news/court-told-affair-led-to-murder-1.122868
These are bringing back some unwelcome memories lol. The kidnapping reconstruction terrified me at the time. The main guy (the continental European) was like a baddie from an action film lol
86compgeek turned out he was a Yorkshire man all along. It was mentioned he was arrested in a later show (i think the April 1993 one)
Yeah, like the villain in the first Die Hard film.
One of the plaza hotel staff from home alone 2 called cidric acting as the third robber in the first reconstruction
Rob Schneider? don't think that's him
December 1991 is now on my channel.
The 90s looks so. 80s at this stage
It was just 1991. Hardly out of the 80s. It's not like society suddenly automatically changes as soon as a new decade starts. It's always gradual. The early noughties looked very much like the late 90s. The early 80s were still very much like the late 70s.
@@th8257 yeah some companies change styles right at the start though
@@stephenkissane4268no more so than any other time
Wasn't there a robbery featured in the mid eighties where little bird music boxes were stolen, much like one in Aladdin's Cave here?
Yes, I just watched that one!!!
Strange to see an armed robbery in the City of London there. Wouldn't be the easiest place to get away from (it was a Friday). Wonder if they got caught?
Happy weekend all
Is that nick pickard from hollyoaks the son in the 1st reconstruction
yes think it's him
Remember watching this live at the time. Especially recall the feature jogging peoples memory regarding events of 1975. Obviously I had no recollection of this as I had just turned 11 in Oct ‘91 but still found it fascinating
you and 1 other only?
I've looked it up many times but never found any info about the outcome of the Guernsey attack. Did they catch him? Did the young woman survive?
no info on any outcome...all made up chum, right down to being super busy in the background doodling on a notepad .lol
@@connynielson8686 I can't tell whether you're joking. It was a hoax?
@@connynielson8686 oh I see. You're the hoax.
@@tomgraham3206 they would have called it " entertainment with an ulterior motive"
@@tomgraham3206no one said it was a hoax. The commenter was talking about the show. You clearly heard the woman was learning to speak and write again.
How do they know so much about each member of the kidnapping gang? Has nieces/nephews, not married, dog owner, keen mountaineer etc etc. Bloody hell, did they find his online dating profile or something? :D
Yeah i thought that as well its strange
Probably information they leaked out during the house siege & while holding the family elsewhere-of course it could have all been bs to thrown the cops off the track. I love the advice at the end to always call the police-yeah, like they haven't bungled countless kidnappings & got people killed/injured or let the crooks get away, advice is always to pay up-it isn't your money & Tesco can afford to lose it, nobody can replace your family.
police informants will say that they heard it was x and x, and give details like 'he served at x prison, and for x crime. It's anecdotal type stuff.
I noticed that too. There's a Crimewatch File programme on here, called Double Identity about this case. That would explain it, though I haven't seen it for a while.
Tony from Hollyoaks in the highjacked family there
Must have been one of the only times Guernsey or Jersey were ever on CW
I’m pretty certain there was a case on incident desk regarding Jersey
apart from crimes against humanity during WW2
I knew Julie Dart.
The CID AT 10.42 looks like the old man from the 80s horror movie FRIGHT NIGHT 😆😆😆😆
Does anyone know the year episode of the council worker murdered. They took files or something possible he uncovered a peadophile ring
June 1993! Bulic Forsythe case.
@@hg2125 ye found it cheers mate
Think there was a Crimewatch File about the first case and the German robber was found to be putting the accent on. He was in fact from Yorkshire and was acting out something he’d seen in a film.
He reminded me of the German villan from Die Hard😂
Who was also played by a Brit 😂
Theme tune.. still gives me nightmares
Here’s a clue … mute button.
How strange
Julie Dart - the laundry was only up the road to me
Tesco manager andy andrews is played by john leeson.He voiced dr whos robot dog k9
AFFIRMATIVE...!
⚠️WHOVIAN DETECTED!⚠️
The guy playing ‘the German kidnapper’ played DO Chapman in London’s Burning
He likes to rob on Tuesday.
Robberies of building societies ( never banks) and always in London, horse and hound pubs, marijuana hauls and sawn off shot guns: the sudden short lived obsessions of the early 90s.
In fairness, that had all been going on throughout the 80s
bye bye baby, i'm not in love and the hustle is one of the great tunes
Pap.
30:44 - top left - a young Noel Edmonds with AEW wrestler The Butcher
One of the ways society has changed. Cash is used much less so kidnaps and armed raids of places where cash is stored is pretty much non existent now. Technology has also improved so much that the cash would be unusable
Local shopkeeper says he barely has £150 cash by the end of the day in his till, where 10 years ago it would have been 8-10 times that figure. Not even worth it for a local wannabe to risk the jail for that sort of money.
Whooooo hoooooo
Y has that woman got hold of evidence
Villains
21.00 I knew that was army navy stores from inside. Seventies
John Leeson
Here we go again. Top man Redcard.
Tony out of hollyoaks 5 mins in !!
Friendships to redress the balance of data . The data of crimes are damaging
5:59 stuff of nightmares
A bit like that clay head later on.
Everyone is after that Tesco money!
They made two billion pounds profit last years, so it is about time they shared it amongst us who are daft enough to shop there.
what a way to end up burnt out on a rubbish dump in West Birmingham, West Birmingham for heaven's sake! They forgot to mention in 1975 the police fitted up the Guildford four and Birmingham 6!
Nana moon
I think Red card said that he only had up to 1994 (correct me if I'm wrong). I've found another channel that has CW from 1995 onwards: m.ua-cam.com/users/ajs41videos
K9 playing the store manager.
A good old Tiger kidnapping
Now often here the bubnles arrive to flush the foods that should be taxed and in that perhaps wait to see if taxation is applied if so no worries if not to.tje next case that been u to wash clothes rest and be rewarded .if that is no then stop
They got 25 years & extra 10 for guns i think
15.00. She had a good job working for the dhss dole office,. A good job? Times have changed
How come thieves in those days always found it so easy to fet false number plates
Because auto stores were very trusting and lax regarding security, unlike now.
Because they were so easy to get!
@@th8257 still are if you know the ‘right’ people (Nozza, Muggsy, Bullyballs, etc.)🤵♂️
nanna moon 20:22
I was in the British Army in 91. Just catching up now😯cracking 😉
17:28 John Major?
No RJ-11 rubbish, there, man. This'll be good. This isn't your mother's DTMF mate.
I met this bloke once.......
Hot air about blowers.
evening crimewatch fokes
I was robbed at gunpoint working in a bookies in Clapton in my early twenties, my best mate shit the life out of my manager
K9!
Imagine doing crime watch now, just druggies and petty weed crimes haha nothing exciting
Not so sure about that😮
@@trishg151Crime has plummeted massively since the 80s / 90s and is actually at its lowest ever levels now. Certainly still some very nasty things going on, but I'm not sure making appeals to the public on Crimewatch would be of much help, given that so much of it is now online. Things like burglary and car theft have declined massively. We don't really have many serial killers these days, and kids don't get abducted off the street. Can't remember the last time I saw a securicor van or heard of a bank robbery.
Is
Gun crimes was so much in UK.
Before the control.
If the BBC were still producing this sort of programme, which can only really be produced by a real public service broadcaster with their reach, people would be less reluctant to pay their licence fee. It used to be more than worth the money. Remember “Pefect Day”? - something that could not have been managed by any other broadcaster. Everyone watched Crimewatch - it was like a real national effort to put villains away.
It's been back on in the mornings for years. But it's very different because crime is very different - not least because crime has absolutely plummeted since the 80s / 90s and as of 2023, crime was at its lowest ever level. Crimewatch now tends to focus on giving advice on things like online fraud, and old unsolved cases. So many of the types of crime featured on 80s / 90s Crimewatch don't really happen now, and if they did they'd be caught very quickly using today's technology. There's much less need to make appeals to the public like old Crimewatch. In short, it's not the 1980s anymore. You just couldn't make a programme like 80s Crimewatch anymore.
This is prw decipline via a real knockout . These males had only the beliefs they have answered of truth. Weather in crime or etc . This in me is an inability to stop. Often seemingly a voice of evils . That in 3d was a knockout . Weather that was the right or wrong apllybthe thoughts as I fall ooo . ?