@@randomperson-md2ljyou said it perfectly, we of course always knew she couldn’t. As long as she was a sweet girl she was allowed to be cute and sit in her corner. As soon as she became nasty that trash rap and ass shaking wasn’t enough.
@@randomperson-md2lj I think it also has a lot to do with her weight loss as well. Most guys hyped her up and listened to her music and watched her videos just to see the body, but since she lost the stereotypical big butt small waist frame that many female rappers want to have, they switched up
It’s awful! The thumbnail for this video also does not help her case. Why she look so light? The bigger, more pressing issue is that both these individuals suffer from mental illness.
Man, when i saw Summers' original nose in an old video where she was singing one of her songs acoustically, i was sooo upset with how pretty she used to be. That girl was beautiful before surgery. I wish black girls in the media loved themselves enough to not let anyone convince them their features are ugly
I do think the surgeries make them favor. It has nothing to do with being a woman biologically. Yes that is an issue that black women face, however, in this case, I don’t think it’s relevant. Cher gets compared to drag queens all the time specifically because of how she looks after her surgeries. Getting work done makes trans women and born women look extra terrestrial in my opinion. Once you alter your body and face as much as both TS Madison and Summer have, we can remove the word “natural” tbh.
Story 3 I don't like the fact that as a natural born woman I feel like I have to walk on eggshells to express how I feel. I constantly feel the need to make sure that I'm "politically correct" but other people get to express themselves freely without judgement 🤔
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I think they been talking for awhile … she was at his concert in St Lucia in May. Burna don’t need PR he IS PR in Nigeria the man is like a king there. And Chloe was in his new Bundle by Bundle video for like 2.5 seconds so I don’t know about PR. I think he wanted to show her a good time & capture the moments to get people talking & highlight Nigeria.
I agree with you on topic #3, especially given how black women femininity always come under question (esp. darker skin women) and are called a man as we had seen with Serena Williams, Michelle Obama, Meg thee Stallion, and etc. imo, the comparison bet. Summer Walker and TS Madison is another instance of that
Yes. The list goes on too. Ciara, Cuban Link (50 can’t girlfriend; although light skin), Jess Hilarious, Tasha K, Angel Reese (wnba) smh one of the first things they use to try to disrespect blk women. Esp dark skin women.
@@coolchristiangirl190 right. Blk women as a whole but esp dark skin women. Ciara, Cuban link (50cents girlfriend), Lil Mama, Tasha K, Jess Hilarious, Angel Reese (wnba). They’ve been doing it for yrs to be disrespectful. Idk what happened to my previous comment but this comment is spot on 🎯
Yea I've first handled experienced this type of hypermasculation (along with looking like my dad) and I'm tall , people were either admiring my height saying I could model do sports or I was getting joaned on and called a man or "tr*nny or my height being dramatized
Aya Nakamura also gets left out alot of the Afrobeats world artists mentions , she’s a powerhouse in the french speaking African diaspora and french world 🤩🤩
I think that’s because she’s not actually an afrobeats artist. She has more of an afro pop / zouk sound. But she definitely is left out of a lot of conversations.
#3 I think the comparison was more or less about making fun of summer and her surgeries IMO. No they don’t look alike but they have similar features bc of surgeries/fillers : full cheeks, the overly pinched nose job, full lips, the full lashes, BBL, etc. Basically the super feminine aesthetic. Taking note that many trans women in media go that route as well as women. The end result kinda becomes the same and it’s hard to tell sometimes 😅. Idk, that’s how I took it. Basically poking fun at how she’s looking like the trans aesthetic and not really trying to compare her to a man.
Exactly they being dense. They just wanted to spout the same typical transphobic talking points. When in reality the surgery Summer got makes her like trans to me and I thought that for a while personally. I don’t even think TS & Summer look alike. Not saying she looks bad, but definitely a similar aesthetic.
She purposely left out the pics used of TS when she was young to make her point. She used her recent photos and when she was pre op. The OP said “young TS”, after she shared a throwback. They did look similar.
Yes i agree! As soon as Chioma introduced the docket i knew what they meant by that. i put summer in the same category as the clermont twins, which are blackwomen that dont have your typical niptuck. I feel like they teeter into a concept called “bimboification” where the whole point of their surgeries is not to just accentuate or perfect, but go into a whole other subcategory of perfection or hyperfeminity, which is clearly what transwomen had and still have to do to assimilate. i like watching chioma for the different views though and understood what she said totally.
If Chioma loses subscribers over the trans argument it just proves our point in how we have to tip toe and walk on egg shells ANYTIME their community is brought up when trying to voice issues that apparently we’re not allowed to have so we have to smile through everything they do because their trans and anything they want to do has to be ok, it’s actually ridiculous
OK, so here’s the thing about the summer Walker situation. They have a tendency of masculine black women that’s a fact, however I don’t see the comparison with TS Madison other than maybe they both have bad surgery, but I don’t think that would offend the trans community if the surgery is bad, the surgery is bad
Me listening too this on my TV CQ: Yeah I look like my dad Me: duh that’s your da… CQ: I CAME FROM HIS NUTS MY GRANDMA What THAT BABY SAY ME: WHERES MY HEADPHONES LOL 😂
JT, Ari - all the girls go for the “trans cosmetic looks”. To me it was no shade to Summer - her and TS have the same nose job, boob job, and cheek fillers. Twins 👯♀️ it is what it is
I won't lie, I think alot of women with all that extra surgery really do give trans woman. It's not to be taken disrespectfully, but we know what the trans girlies who overdo the surgery look js. So, I can honestly see the comparison with Summer and TS Madison. Summer has completely changed her face and body, she looks very...different to say the least. I'd also say, if Cardi B keeps going that route, she's gonna give trans too. Overdoing the face work just isn't it.
Idk the trans lady and I haven’t heard of her before this video but I won’t lie and say that in that side by side picture they do look similar. But looking at other pictures they don’t look alike at all
@@lunarblakeIf transgender people say they do or don’t want to be called something, we should respect it. If women say we don’t want to be called something, we’re dumb, overdramatic, and just need to accept it. Make it make sense.
Response to story 3. Unpopular opinion, I do think summer and TS look alike, Summer Walker is not a natural woman she has plastic surgery. and so does TS, That’s why they look alike.
Fr all the girlies starting to look alike bc they all have the same procedures. Someone told me I look like Summer Walker and I never had any surgeries. I just replied with “no Summer Walker looks like me”. Cuz I had this face and nose before her.
You can resemble a man as a women and still be attractive it’s not that deep. Ppl are bringing up your resemblance to your father bc it’s a prime example of that. And summer actually looks like her so
Right, it’s like she's comparing life…nb said she has the same experiences, they said has the same features. She’s taking it too personally and bringing up womanhood.
4:15 I am a woman who settled down and is enjoying a great life with an amazing man. But I understand how one can keep going for the same lifestyle. I am 33, but i don't feel 33, I feel 25. Time simultaneously froze and yet is going really fast. And I totally understand how one can get stuck for decades living a very fun and pleasant lifestyle, thinking that the best things are yet to come. And let's be honest. A lot of successful men view women as objects. You know, "the best things yet to come".
Well said! And I understand. I’m 27 and I feel 21. Like I feel younger than I did years ago. But I definitely think a lot of people have FOMO and that’s why their actions are the way they are.
I think Summer Walker did over do it with the surgery & I hope on her journey she’ll remove the filler & injections. She really doesn’t need it & it making her look older
#2! The Hannah Montana song was intentional. You didn’t see where Cleo said she saw “it” and it gave nothing. Then she backtracked (she does that often) after receiving backlash.
Actually, I just checked and she has 10 million views each on instagram from the OTR and from the block page. ppl claim to hate her but still tune in. strange. her fans were the ones who named the song Hanna Montana btw.
@@Luvdarkshadows her demographic isn’t really on UA-cam like that but she’s definitely still getting views. she’s the second most viewed artist on TikTok after sabrina carpenter and that’s pretty impressive
I agree I don’t think she’s going to fade away like people want her to. And tbh I’m happy because men can get away with the worst things put out horrible to mid music and give us nothing in performances and still get supported. As long as riot still does her beats and she can step up her rapping or get a ghost writer Ice is hear to stay.🤷🏽♀️
I think with summer it was the procedures when you keep nick picking your face it does start to make you look trans. Cause trans women fight hard to get a European nose full lips and high cheekbones in a over dramatic way and they all have that ts Madison nose
When Summer first got her nose done they were saying she looks like TS Madison. The recent post was probably said because of how her body looks as well. TS Madison has the wide hip, big butt look. Not saying people should be saying that about Summer but it wasn't a shock for me to hear.
chioma ily but summer walker got hella procedures done to look how she looks now. probably the same ones as ts madison may have got in the face. i don’t think it’s offensive to say they look similar. they both just have surgery faces it is what it is🤷🏾♀️
Which is why I said even without surgery, Summer Walker and TS look nothing a like. I do agree that surgery of the same procedures creates the same artificial look.
pleaseeee let us not act like that nose job did not destroy Summer's face. she was absolutely gorgeous when she came out and then she got alllll that work done. she looks like a young ts madison period.
I don’t think you’re transphobic lol. The way in which I believe the comparison was framed was that women like summer getting these surgeries (often times in excess) takes away from their natural feminine appearance. Trans women get these procedures too feminize their masculine features, but when women do the same things on already feminine features it can over exaggerate them and have the opposite effect.
Mmm for story #3, I can see how you’d think people would find you transphobic.. I wasn’t sure if people said directly that Summer looks like a man, but saying summer looks like TS Madison does not mean people are saying she looks like a man.. As a cis woman who’s been masculinized plenty so far in my life, this is why I find an issue with trying to humble trans women like this.. of course cis woman and trans women are different, but they’re women all the same.. you can’t put all cis women in one box either scientifically or sociologically.. so to be reminding them of the gender they were assigned at birth is like.. ? For what? Like you said, people of different genders can look alike so I’m confused as to what the actual issue is when we’re talking about people of the same gender. Not sex, but gender. When people try to gate-keep what a woman is from trans women, they have the capacity to accidentally do it to cis women too, like what you feel was happening to Summer. maybe that’s where your frustration is coming from, but that “checking” of trans woman can be harmful, especially when you keep calling them biological men 🤦🏾♀️ which isn’t even truly accurate because men and women are social terms, not biological ones.
15:48 i have to disagree, the thing being said is that they look similar. Having a comparison between a cisgender woman & a trans woman isn’t always going to be rooted in an attempt to discredit a woman’s womanhood. However there is instances where women, especially bw are compared to biological males to attack their femininity & womanhood so I understand the optics. however, every comparison between cis & trans women isn’t going to share the same sentiment or the same intent. For example a comparison between relatives or friends might be lighthearted or kind DESPITE their gender. So for you to move like every comparison with a trans person & a cis person is going to have disrespect on their womanhood/manhood is disingenuous ngl. I don’t think it’s a valid critique to say it’s automatically disrespect ( disregarding the intent) because of YOUR biases on the comparisons. It seems to be reinforcing the transphobic notion that trans women are inherently attacking “real” woman’s femininity and womanhood from them so they shouldn’t be compared.
I disagree with you. 1. A comparison between relatives is fair because they share DNA 2. A comparison between friends (where one is male and one is female) is still considered rude. Most people do not want to be compared to the opposite gender. To say someone looks feminine when they are a male or looks masculine when they are a female is rude. 3. Every comparison between a trans person and a man/woman may not be directly disrespecting their woman/manhood but that doesn’t mean that it’s still not rude and that also doesn’t mean that people want to be compared to that. People nowadays love talking about respecting how people feel but all that respect and consideration goes out the door when women talk about how they feel. F**k outta here. 4. Disingenuous means dishonest or deceitful. All in all: as a woman, I’m telling you it’s rude to say a woman looks like a trans woman. And the same way trans people want to be respected in how they feel, even if others disagree with them, they (and everyone else) should keep the same energy. If trans people say something is rude then we’re supposed to make adjustments. If women say something is rude we’re supposed to deal with it and be called transphobic? I don’t think so.
@@Vee-vl5ey i understand your point, as i said i understand the optics. however its not always intended to be a dig when being compared to the opposite gender. thats why it is disingenuous to say every comparison is going to have that level of disrespect intended or not. thats all lol no reason to be rude. lol 1 &2. there are people who have similarities (relatives or not) so its not safe to write off the comparison as “saying someone looks feminine or masculine” when it wouldn’t be considered that if they were related. 3. the original comparison wasn’t inherently a dig on anyone’s femininity however when adding bias that says being compared to a biologically different sex is a dig on someone’s gender is invalid because its not a valid conclusion to make. 4. and this is not to say that comparisons dont happen where women are compared to masculine people in an attempt to masculinize women that is wrong and it does happen but that not always the case in every comparison. its not a safe conclusion to come to when being compared because there’s not always femininity or gender being considered in every comparison thats all i respect your take though 🙏🏽
@@Kiethescientist I also understand where you’re coming from as well, but just because something isn’t intended to be a dig doesn’t mean it can’t land as a dig, rude, or hurtful. Prime example: My intention wasn’t to be rude to you, but it still came off as rude (which I apologize for because I do not want to be rude to you). 1 & 2. People can have similarities, but if it’s something that is more than likely going to come off in a rude way then it’s probably best not to say it. Most women do not want to be compared to someone masculine (including trans women) and most men do not want to be compared to someone feminine. I don’t think that’s a bias or prejudice; it’s a pattern that I’ve noticed. Sure there are some people who don’t mind, or may even appreciate it. But most people don’t like it (from what I’ve seen). 3. The original comparison doesn’t have to be a dig to still come off as rude. That’s the same way that if I misgender someone I’m not trying to make a dig at someone but it can still come off that way. 4. I agree with your point here and I respect your take as well🙏🏽 all love I just think we can agree to disagree I also hope you have a happy new year
@@Vee-vl5eyhappy new year! & of course i agree with you though we have to consider intention behind certain statements from the context and situation rather than immediately saying something is disrespect because it involves a comparison with different biological sexes. i understand how it can be taken as rude but it is only considered that when you believe the comparison is rooted in consideration of gender and femininity. which i dont think the original statement was. it raised questions for me, is this discourse only applied to people of different sexes/gender? or applied to people with different masculinity/ femininity? would the same outrage come if a masc stud woman and a fem woman were being compared? and would it be considered disrespectful as well? or is it only reserved for when a trans feminine woman and another cis feminine woman are compared?
@@Kiethescientist Those are all fair questions. I think it’s mainly applied to different sexes. I don’t think the outrage would be the same if a masculine stud woman and a feminine woman were being compared because they’re the same gender and I also don’t think it’s only reserved when a woman is being compared to a trans woman; I think it’s applied to when a woman is being compared to a man and vice versa. But again though, that’s not to say that every single woman or man would be outraged if they were compared to the opposite sex. I do think the majority, on both sides, wouldn’t appreciate it though.
3. I think what’s happening is a lot of these girls have gotten worked to look like exaggerated versions of a woman. Which is what a lot of trans woman do wether it be intentional or not. Over sized butts, breast, cheeks etc. The first time I saw that was with drag queens again. As time goes on I’ve seen a lot of bio women try to look like a drag queens whether it be intentional or by accident. In turn a lot of the trans girls are trying to look like the exaggerated versions of these girls. Which is why I understand how people are saying that Summer Walker looks like TS Madison. Put on the other side of the spectrum. Then there’s India Moore, Laverne Cox and Hunter Schaeffer that for the lack of a better term ‘pass’. I don’t know if this makes sense but that’s how I see it.
That’s the thing. Everyone is getting the same procedures. The same filler, the same chin sharpening, the same wigs & makeup. It’s just all artificial at the end of the day.
Chloe always attaching herself to a man and getting the short end of the stick. Her career dwindles even more every time she does this… the Bailey sisters need to get it together
I just watched your “Things We’re Leaving In 2024” video where “diabolical is one word overused in 2024 and is being left behind? 🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️😏 Well I had to laugh 😂 at 12:48 when you used it when speaking about the comparison between Summer Walker & TS Madison. Happy New Year! 🎆🎉
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying Summer and Ts look similar. Ts identifies as a woman so regardless of their biological gender, Ts and Summer do favor. I think what people could be upset about it the constant masculinization of darkskin black woman to men and because Ts was originally a man ppl may have been internally triggered by that . But as said in the video, Bow favors Lil Mama , there was a post that said Futer and Meryl Streep look alike 😂. I don’t think Summer should take the comparison personally
When you find out, let me know !!! My parents begged me to come with them this year. They’re still there and I didn’t go. None of my cousins were going so I stayed in USA.
I think its entirely disrespectful and hypocritical to call an ACTUALLY WOMAN "CIS". Especially coming from the sameee community that can't stand name calling. Make it make sense.
Hey, luv u Queen, but burna n Steff were done yrs ago his song Last Last was about their breakup. Jayda was already with pardi when he song talibans. I believe him n steff still mess around bcuz after him n Chloe went viral, she posted a video of him gifting her a car 😅. Love from Trinidad 🇹🇹
13:18 at 5:17 am when i saw this pic i screamed WHOA!!!!!! Because i never seen Maddie in male form. *though i did see her mangina flopping all over the place* 😂
4:17 about Burna Boy he never publicly cheated on Stef (don’t know if he did or didn’t in reality) he slept with Jada after he and Stef were already broken up. His controversy is about how much of hoe he is (he sleeps with everyone apparently or at least messy people) and how he treats them (he doesn’t treat them all well). In fact Stef is still SO in love with him she’s said in multiple interviews that he’s the love of her life and he got her a rolls Royce for her birthday ALSO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE LAST TOPIC (TOPIC 3)
Story #3, I think they do look alike and as a natural born black woman i wasn't offended honestly bcuz in my eyes they did favor in the side by side pics but if other women were offended ok they're entitled to be so and you're entitled to your opinion, i love your vids btw
Also side note this reminds me of that episode of king of the hill where Peggy became friends with a drag queen lol "a bunch of men want my clothes? No a bunch of men who want to look like women want your clothes"
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The fact people on tik tok just noticeing that ice spice couldn’t rap to save to life is funny it’s self
Everybody knew she couldn’t rap, nobody cared cus she’s pretty but nobody knew she was a mean girl, that’s why people care all of a sudden
@@randomperson-md2ljyou said it perfectly, we of course always knew she couldn’t. As long as she was a sweet girl she was allowed to be cute and sit in her corner. As soon as she became nasty that trash rap and ass shaking wasn’t enough.
@@randomperson-md2lj I think it also has a lot to do with her weight loss as well. Most guys hyped her up and listened to her music and watched her videos just to see the body, but since she lost the stereotypical big butt small waist frame that many female rappers want to have, they switched up
She had a booty they was not paying attention to the lyrics 😂
3. I think it is because of all the work Summer Walker had done. She’s not ugly she just looks manufactured.
Yes! Especially her nose. She should have never touched her nose smdhhh
It’s awful! The thumbnail for this video also does not help her case. Why she look so light? The bigger, more pressing issue is that both these individuals suffer from mental illness.
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She looks awful. She should go on botched. She’s hard to look at and I see the comparison.
Man, when i saw Summers' original nose in an old video where she was singing one of her songs acoustically, i was sooo upset with how pretty she used to be. That girl was beautiful before surgery. I wish black girls in the media loved themselves enough to not let anyone convince them their features are ugly
Unfortunately, people who alter their face too much with plastic surgery can start to look similar.
I do think the surgeries make them favor. It has nothing to do with being a woman biologically. Yes that is an issue that black women face, however, in this case, I don’t think it’s relevant. Cher gets compared to drag queens all the time specifically because of how she looks after her surgeries. Getting work done makes trans women and born women look extra terrestrial in my opinion. Once you alter your body and face as much as both TS Madison and Summer have, we can remove the word “natural” tbh.
Right!! Cause IMO all these people look the same if they got the surgery and some of the same doctors.
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I was about to say this but I wouldn’t have been able to put it together as well as u just did!! 😭 cuz im like but they do-
Summer walker doesn’t strike me as someone with high self esteem.. and it’s sad because she was beautiful before, she didn’t need any work done.
Her nose was precious
summer walker jus should’ve never got allat surgery. it’s sad she couldn’t see that she didn’t need it.
That’s what I said. At a certain point we as black women need to recognize when we are explicitly subscribing to drag queen beauty standards.
Highly agree. Her before face card was lethal 🫶🏾
Story 3
I don't like the fact that as a natural born woman I feel like I have to walk on eggshells to express how I feel. I constantly feel the need to make sure that I'm "politically correct" but other people get to express themselves freely without judgement 🤔
This!
U are free to express yourself, as long as it's the truth, it's gonna hurt ppl but it's still your choice. 🤷🏾♀️
@@angellicbeautyproducts9479 well there are laws being put into place to criminalize the things she is talking about.
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I def think Chloe and Burna are a PR thing. They don’t have any chemistry and she looks awkward with him
I think she went for some fun & then they were like let’s get some attention too
They don't have any chemistry 😂😂😂😂😂 says you holding your phone watching them 😂😂😂😂😂
He’s coming up off her name cuz I didn’t know that man
@evaphillips2102Burna Boy is actually a bigger name than Chloe globally
I think they been talking for awhile … she was at his concert in St Lucia in May. Burna don’t need PR he IS PR in Nigeria the man is like a king there. And Chloe was in his new Bundle by Bundle video for like 2.5 seconds so I don’t know about PR. I think he wanted to show her a good time & capture the moments to get people talking & highlight Nigeria.
i thought burna boy was 40 😂😂😂 ion see the hype in his looks tbh
Same
He has the aura tho
Same. I was over here thinking ew he's a bit old for her. Imagine my surprise when I found out his age ^^
He's not someone I would go after. 🥴
I don’t get it either.
I agree with you on topic #3, especially given how black women femininity always come under question (esp. darker skin women) and are called a man as we had seen with Serena Williams, Michelle Obama, Meg thee Stallion, and etc. imo, the comparison bet. Summer Walker and TS Madison is another instance of that
Yes. The list goes on too. Ciara, Cuban Link (50 can’t girlfriend; although light skin), Jess Hilarious, Tasha K, Angel Reese (wnba) smh one of the first things they use to try to disrespect blk women. Esp dark skin women.
Yup . I notice that they don’t do it with any other races of women. 😢
@@coolchristiangirl190 right. Blk women as a whole but esp dark skin women. Ciara, Cuban link (50cents girlfriend), Lil Mama, Tasha K, Jess Hilarious, Angel Reese (wnba). They’ve been doing it for yrs to be disrespectful.
Idk what happened to my previous comment but this comment is spot on 🎯
Yea I've first handled experienced this type of hypermasculation (along with looking like my dad) and I'm tall , people were either admiring my height saying I could model do sports or I was getting joaned on and called a man or "tr*nny or my height being dramatized
Aya Nakamura also gets left out alot of the Afrobeats world artists mentions , she’s a powerhouse in the french speaking African diaspora and french world 🤩🤩
She is also soo hated 😢 for no reason and called a man for being dark skin and tall
I think that’s because she’s not actually an afrobeats artist. She has more of an afro pop / zouk sound. But she definitely is left out of a lot of conversations.
Yes I just found her randomly and love her and her music 😍 she's gorgeous
#3 I think the comparison was more or less about making fun of summer and her surgeries IMO. No they don’t look alike but they have similar features bc of surgeries/fillers : full cheeks, the overly pinched nose job, full lips, the full lashes, BBL, etc. Basically the super feminine aesthetic. Taking note that many trans women in media go that route as well as women. The end result kinda becomes the same and it’s hard to tell sometimes 😅.
Idk, that’s how I took it. Basically poking fun at how she’s looking like the trans aesthetic and not really trying to compare her to a man.
That’s a good point
Exactly they being dense. They just wanted to spout the same typical transphobic talking points. When in reality the surgery Summer got makes her like trans to me and I thought that for a while personally. I don’t even think TS & Summer look alike. Not saying she looks bad, but definitely a similar aesthetic.
Exactly, that's how I took it as well.
She purposely left out the pics used of TS when she was young to make her point. She used her recent photos and when she was pre op. The OP said “young TS”, after she shared a throwback. They did look similar.
Yes i agree! As soon as Chioma introduced the docket i knew what they meant by that. i put summer in the same category as the clermont twins, which are blackwomen that dont have your typical niptuck. I feel like they teeter into a concept called “bimboification” where the whole point of their surgeries is not to just accentuate or perfect, but go into a whole other subcategory of perfection or hyperfeminity, which is clearly what transwomen had and still have to do to assimilate. i like watching chioma for the different views though and understood what she said totally.
They’re trying to play summer walker and TS Madison . Both are attractive IMO . TS Madison really doesn’t have a manly face nor does summer tbh
@@CaramelCutie-l2b yeah it seems like people are trying to troll
@ ugh I’m so tied of that bull lol . Let’s troll ppl that deserve it !!!
I ain’t never been this early 😭😭😭 so lonely in the comments
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Ice Spice has ALWAYS rapped the same. People are noticing it now bc she lost weight and does not have the "thick girl" body type.
If Chioma loses subscribers over the trans argument it just proves our point in how we have to tip toe and walk on egg shells ANYTIME their community is brought up when trying to voice issues that apparently we’re not allowed to have so we have to smile through everything they do because their trans and anything they want to do has to be ok, it’s actually ridiculous
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Replace trans by black and you will understand how other community feel about us.
i thought the first 2 pic she showed were both summer walker tbh, it wasnt till she said it was ts that i was like what the hell? lmaoo
Just so u know, this nonsense is only in USA
Who walking on shells😂😂😂
The patriarchy WILL ALWAYS prevail 🤣🤣🤣🤣 even if they gotta do it is as a woman
TS is not ugly and has a feminine face to me. Her and Summer look alike because both have similar alterations on their face .
They both have surgery face. It is what it is 🤷🏾♀️
Exactly can you imagine getting surgery just to look like a Trans or be compared to Trans from getting the same work done
The queen has arrived! Pop yo sh!t Chioma much love from Columbia SC💗
summer look artificial and her being a woman doesn't exempt that ,jealousy is not gender dependent cmon chimoa u know better you picking n choosen
OK, so here’s the thing about the summer Walker situation. They have a tendency of masculine black women that’s a fact, however I don’t see the comparison with TS Madison other than maybe they both have bad surgery, but I don’t think that would offend the trans community if the surgery is bad, the surgery is bad
On the the TS MADISON & Summer Walker topic I agree with you 100% I cannot stand when people compare a woman to a transgender it’s insane
A transgender literally won women of the year
I think you always articulate your thoughts very well and this video was no different ❤
Loved this more relaxed commentary chioma
Me listening too this on my TV
CQ: Yeah I look like my dad
Me: duh that’s your da…
CQ: I CAME FROM HIS NUTS
MY GRANDMA What THAT BABY SAY
ME: WHERES MY HEADPHONES LOL 😂
ON UR TV IS WILD😭😭😭😭😭
LOOOOOLLL
Girl why you so quiet , I turned the volume all the up I’m used to your projection 😩
I’m not in my usual studio 🙃 I’ll turn it up next time 😁
Summer said herself that she models her look after trans women and that trans women are her beauty inspo
Well there you go
That’s ridiculous
When did she say this?! 😂
@@Theekeys2thekingdom oh 👀🤭
JT, Ari - all the girls go for the “trans cosmetic looks”. To me it was no shade to Summer - her and TS have the same nose job, boob job, and cheek fillers. Twins 👯♀️ it is what it is
I won't lie, I think alot of women with all that extra surgery really do give trans woman. It's not to be taken disrespectfully, but we know what the trans girlies who overdo the surgery look js. So, I can honestly see the comparison with Summer and TS Madison. Summer has completely changed her face and body, she looks very...different to say the least. I'd also say, if Cardi B keeps going that route, she's gonna give trans too. Overdoing the face work just isn't it.
#2 Ice Spice is tired and washed. The music was already lackluster, but the nasty attitude didn't help either.
Everything you said about the Summer Walker & TS Madison matter: 💯. I completely agree. What a brave thing to say and you worded it beautifully.
Idk the trans lady and I haven’t heard of her before this video but I won’t lie and say that in that side by side picture they do look similar. But looking at other pictures they don’t look alike at all
It’s the surgeries. Making everyone look a like.
They do look alike . It’s literally because of surgery. Summer looked much better before.
I was looking in your take on OluwaChloë
Not OluwaChloë🤣🤣🤣
15:03 you are speaking 100% facts! There will be people that get offended but stand in business sis!
Chioma, please dont fall for the manipulation and refer to us women as "cis. "....We are WOMEN..
Yessss👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you I hate that shit I am not a cis nothing I am a woman.
y’all are so dumb. learn what words mean. being called cis isn’t a slur, get over yourselves
@@lunarblakeIf transgender people say they do or don’t want to be called something, we should respect it.
If women say we don’t want to be called something, we’re dumb, overdramatic, and just need to accept it.
Make it make sense.
@@lunarblake Adding cis is redundant and silly. Get over it.
I never saw TS Madison pre op and I'm shocked 😳 🤯 13:21
Gurrrrrl u and me both 😂😂😂😂
I’m so gaggeddddd like huh
Faaaaaacts
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Response to story 3.
Unpopular opinion, I do think summer and TS look alike, Summer Walker is not a natural woman she has plastic surgery. and so does TS, That’s why they look alike.
Fr all the girlies starting to look alike bc they all have the same procedures. Someone told me I look like Summer Walker and I never had any surgeries. I just replied with “no Summer Walker looks like me”. Cuz I had this face and nose before her.
@ exactly!!!!!, thank you!!!
This
You can resemble a man as a women and still be attractive it’s not that deep. Ppl are bringing up your resemblance to your father bc it’s a prime example of that. And summer actually looks like her so
Right, it’s like she's comparing life…nb said she has the same experiences, they said has the same features. She’s taking it too personally and bringing up womanhood.
Exactly like wtf just dragging it at this point 😂😂😂😂
@@deemercury2278LITERALLY
@@deemercury2278way too personal like girl you just want to talk now
I agree they do look similar no shade 🤷🏾♀️
4:15 I am a woman who settled down and is enjoying a great life with an amazing man. But I understand how one can keep going for the same lifestyle. I am 33, but i don't feel 33, I feel 25. Time simultaneously froze and yet is going really fast. And I totally understand how one can get stuck for decades living a very fun and pleasant lifestyle, thinking that the best things are yet to come.
And let's be honest. A lot of successful men view women as objects. You know, "the best things yet to come".
Well said! And I understand. I’m 27 and I feel 21. Like I feel younger than I did years ago. But I definitely think a lot of people have FOMO and that’s why their actions are the way they are.
Thank goodness!! 😢 I missed you Chiomaaa 🥺❤️
Chioma can you do a Joselines cabaret texas recap? This season was actually good compared to baddies Midwest
I think Summer Walker did over do it with the surgery & I hope on her journey she’ll remove the filler & injections. She really doesn’t need it & it making her look older
I saw that heart of a woman video and was like damnnnn summer looks like TS Madison DOWN
#2! The Hannah Montana song was intentional. You didn’t see where Cleo said she saw “it” and it gave nothing. Then she backtracked (she does that often) after receiving backlash.
Actually, I just checked and she has 10 million views each on instagram from the OTR and from the block page. ppl claim to hate her but still tune in. strange. her fans were the ones who named the song Hanna Montana btw.
Maybe UA-cam is unpopular then, because the views are drastically different.
@@Luvdarkshadows her demographic isn’t really on UA-cam like that but she’s definitely still getting views. she’s the second most viewed artist on TikTok after sabrina carpenter and that’s pretty impressive
I agree I don’t think she’s going to fade away like people want her to. And tbh I’m happy because men can get away with the worst things put out horrible to mid music and give us nothing in performances and still get supported. As long as riot still does her beats and she can step up her rapping or get a ghost writer Ice is hear to stay.🤷🏽♀️
I think with summer it was the procedures when you keep nick picking your face it does start to make you look trans. Cause trans women fight hard to get a European nose full lips and high cheekbones in a over dramatic way and they all have that ts Madison nose
I remember Cleo saying that Ice jacked her style so maybe she copying her again smh nothing is a coincidence with these artists
When Summer first got her nose done they were saying she looks like TS Madison. The recent post was probably said because of how her body looks as well. TS Madison has the wide hip, big butt look. Not saying people should be saying that about Summer but it wasn't a shock for me to hear.
*Story 1*
He ain’t cheat on her w. Jada Kingdom.. that was after.. LAST LAST was about the breakup 🫶🏼
chioma ily but summer walker got hella procedures done to look how she looks now. probably the same ones as ts madison may have got in the face. i don’t think it’s offensive to say they look similar. they both just have surgery faces it is what it is🤷🏾♀️
Which is why I said even without surgery, Summer Walker and TS look nothing a like. I do agree that surgery of the same procedures creates the same artificial look.
@@QueenChioma well no one compared their faces from before surgery so...
@@superduperlitsauce you got a point there
I'm really early lemme get my green tea 🍵
I felt you on the looking like your daddy I got my dead whole head face and all 😂
Two things can be true at once though, something can be deemed rude or mean, yet also true. Like telling someone they smell.
I be wishing I missd like five videos of Chioma just so I can binge watch them but I’ve watched them all😖
Never been an ice spice fan but you literally cannot compare a 2 year old video with 3.7 million views to a 1 day old video with 195k views 🌚
Yeah that’s unfair
Was here within the first 7 mins🎉💜, love you Chioma🫶🏾
Everything you said about the last topic is facts. People love being mad about the truth.
pleaseeee let us not act like that nose job did not destroy Summer's face. she was absolutely gorgeous when she came out and then she got alllll that work done. she looks like a young ts madison period.
i think ice weight loss was the icing on the cake. she looks sick.
Great video 👍🏿
Chioma is speaking facts about the comparisons between natural women and trans.
sis everything you said... preach
I don’t think you’re transphobic lol. The way in which I believe the comparison was framed was that women like summer getting these surgeries (often times in excess) takes away from their natural feminine appearance. Trans women get these procedures too feminize their masculine features, but when women do the same things on already feminine features it can over exaggerate them and have the opposite effect.
Very true
love a good chioma chat
Ack Chloeeeeeee nooooo idk this issss sooo cringe 😬😬😬 Why does the music industry do this like just drop the music and move on…
Happy New Year Chioma and everyone 🥳❤️🎇🥂
You too!
Any woman being compared to a man is definitely insulting so I absolutely agree with you …. It’s not the flex 😂
Barbs were a big part of ice spice's fanbase let's be real. Once they left her career plummeted.
Mmm for story #3, I can see how you’d think people would find you transphobic.. I wasn’t sure if people said directly that Summer looks like a man, but saying summer looks like TS Madison does not mean people are saying she looks like a man.. As a cis woman who’s been masculinized plenty so far in my life, this is why I find an issue with trying to humble trans women like this.. of course cis woman and trans women are different, but they’re women all the same.. you can’t put all cis women in one box either scientifically or sociologically.. so to be reminding them of the gender they were assigned at birth is like.. ? For what? Like you said, people of different genders can look alike so I’m confused as to what the actual issue is when we’re talking about people of the same gender. Not sex, but gender. When people try to gate-keep what a woman is from trans women, they have the capacity to accidentally do it to cis women too, like what you feel was happening to Summer. maybe that’s where your frustration is coming from, but that “checking” of trans woman can be harmful, especially when you keep calling them biological men 🤦🏾♀️ which isn’t even truly accurate because men and women are social terms, not biological ones.
Girl what?? Literally female and male are biological terms
In blonde wigs and heavy makeup summer looks trans but in neutral colors with subtle make up summer is still feminine and beautiful
Listen, some ppl never settle down. You have men in their 60’s still out here playing with the younger girls and refuse to get married.
15:48 i have to disagree, the thing being said is that they look similar. Having a comparison between a cisgender woman & a trans woman isn’t always going to be rooted in an attempt to discredit a woman’s womanhood. However there is instances where women, especially bw are compared to biological males to attack their femininity & womanhood so I understand the optics. however, every comparison between cis & trans women isn’t going to share the same sentiment or the same intent. For example a comparison between relatives or friends might be lighthearted or kind DESPITE their gender. So for you to move like every comparison with a trans person & a cis person is going to have disrespect on their womanhood/manhood is disingenuous ngl. I don’t think it’s a valid critique to say it’s automatically disrespect ( disregarding the intent) because of YOUR biases on the comparisons. It seems to be reinforcing the transphobic notion that trans women are inherently attacking “real” woman’s femininity and womanhood from them so they shouldn’t be compared.
I disagree with you.
1. A comparison between relatives is fair because they share DNA
2. A comparison between friends (where one is male and one is female) is still considered rude. Most people do not want to be compared to the opposite gender. To say someone looks feminine when they are a male or looks masculine when they are a female is rude.
3. Every comparison between a trans person and a man/woman may not be directly disrespecting their woman/manhood but that doesn’t mean that it’s still not rude and that also doesn’t mean that people want to be compared to that. People nowadays love talking about respecting how people feel but all that respect and consideration goes out the door when women talk about how they feel. F**k outta here.
4. Disingenuous means dishonest or deceitful.
All in all: as a woman, I’m telling you it’s rude to say a woman looks like a trans woman. And the same way trans people want to be respected in how they feel, even if others disagree with them, they (and everyone else) should keep the same energy.
If trans people say something is rude then we’re supposed to make adjustments. If women say something is rude we’re supposed to deal with it and be called transphobic?
I don’t think so.
@@Vee-vl5ey i understand your point, as i said i understand the optics. however its not always intended to be a dig when being compared to the opposite gender. thats why it is disingenuous to say every comparison is going to have that level of disrespect intended or not. thats all lol no reason to be rude. lol
1 &2. there are people who have similarities (relatives or not) so its not safe to write off the comparison as “saying someone looks feminine or masculine” when it wouldn’t be considered that if they were related.
3. the original comparison wasn’t inherently a dig on anyone’s femininity however when adding bias that says being compared to a biologically different sex is a dig on someone’s gender is invalid because its not a valid conclusion to make.
4. and this is not to say that comparisons dont happen where women are compared to masculine people in an attempt to masculinize women that is wrong and it does happen but that not always the case in every comparison. its not a safe conclusion to come to when being compared because there’s not always femininity or gender being considered in every comparison thats all i respect your take though 🙏🏽
@@Kiethescientist I also understand where you’re coming from as well, but just because something isn’t intended to be a dig doesn’t mean it can’t land as a dig, rude, or hurtful.
Prime example: My intention wasn’t to be rude to you, but it still came off as rude (which I apologize for because I do not want to be rude to you).
1 & 2. People can have similarities, but if it’s something that is more than likely going to come off in a rude way then it’s probably best not to say it.
Most women do not want to be compared to someone masculine (including trans women) and most men do not want to be compared to someone feminine. I don’t think that’s a bias or prejudice; it’s a pattern that I’ve noticed.
Sure there are some people who don’t mind, or may even appreciate it. But most people don’t like it (from what I’ve seen).
3. The original comparison doesn’t have to be a dig to still come off as rude. That’s the same way that if I misgender someone I’m not trying to make a dig at someone but it can still come off that way.
4. I agree with your point here and I respect your take as well🙏🏽 all love I just think we can agree to disagree
I also hope you have a happy new year
@@Vee-vl5eyhappy new year! & of course i agree with you though we have to consider intention behind certain statements from the context and situation rather than immediately saying something is disrespect because it involves a comparison with different biological sexes. i understand how it can be taken as rude but it is only considered that when you believe the comparison is rooted in consideration of gender and femininity. which i dont think the original statement was.
it raised questions for me, is this discourse only applied to people of different sexes/gender? or applied to people with different masculinity/ femininity? would the same outrage come if a masc stud woman and a fem woman were being compared? and would it be considered disrespectful as well? or is it only reserved for when a trans feminine woman and another cis feminine woman are compared?
@@Kiethescientist Those are all fair questions. I think it’s mainly applied to different sexes. I don’t think the outrage would be the same if a masculine stud woman and a feminine woman were being compared because they’re the same gender and I also don’t think it’s only reserved when a woman is being compared to a trans woman; I think it’s applied to when a woman is being compared to a man and vice versa.
But again though, that’s not to say that every single woman or man would be outraged if they were compared to the opposite sex. I do think the majority, on both sides, wouldn’t appreciate it though.
3. I think what’s happening is a lot of these girls have gotten worked to look like exaggerated versions of a woman. Which is what a lot of trans woman do wether it be intentional or not. Over sized butts, breast, cheeks etc. The first time I saw that was with drag queens again. As time goes on I’ve seen a lot of bio women try to look like a drag queens whether it be intentional or by accident. In turn a lot of the trans girls are trying to look like the exaggerated versions of these girls. Which is why I understand how people are saying that Summer Walker looks like TS Madison. Put on the other side of the spectrum. Then there’s India Moore, Laverne Cox and Hunter Schaeffer that for the lack of a better term ‘pass’. I don’t know if this makes sense but that’s how I see it.
TS & Summer look more alike than Bow Wow & Lil Mama (at least in those photos) in my opinion. Also, maybe TS & Summer had the same surgeon 🤷🏾♀️
That’s the thing. Everyone is getting the same procedures. The same filler, the same chin sharpening, the same wigs & makeup. It’s just all artificial at the end of the day.
14:13 Lmaooo this made me chuckle. Ppl are hell tho, frfr.
When you said are we gonna be stupid I died laughing😭😭like u said u are literally related to ur father
Hey Queen! ❤Happy New Year!
Same to you love 🩷
@@QueenChiomaThank you!!!
Even if she wasn’t was born a man she doesn’t look like summer walker at all
I agree with u chioma regarding the transgender comparison.
If someone looks like someone they do it is what it is
All the celebrity news is interesting and all but I only listen just so I can hear her rapping at the end
Chloe always attaching herself to a man and getting the short end of the stick. Her career dwindles even more every time she does this… the Bailey sisters need to get it together
Awesome post!
Great vid chroma! Happy New year, for the U.K. ❤
The song at the end 🔥🔥
Thanks for supporting women 🙏🏿
I agree 13:00‼️it is very rude to say that a woman looks like a trans woman
I just watched your “Things We’re Leaving In 2024” video where “diabolical is one word overused in 2024 and is being left behind? 🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️😏 Well I had to laugh 😂 at 12:48 when you used it when speaking about the comparison between Summer Walker & TS Madison. Happy New Year! 🎆🎉
lol I guess I had to let it out one last time 😂 But Happy New Year to you as well ✨
Love you Chioma 🙏🏿❤. This is a great conversation.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying Summer and Ts look similar. Ts identifies as a woman so regardless of their biological gender, Ts and Summer do favor. I think what people could be upset about it the constant masculinization of darkskin black woman to men and because Ts was originally a man ppl may have been internally triggered by that . But as said in the video, Bow favors Lil Mama , there was a post that said Futer and Meryl Streep look alike 😂. I don’t think Summer should take the comparison personally
Yall.. why is everyone in Nigeria right now? 😂❤ what’s going AWWWNNNNN
Seems like they got flewed out. All expenses paid and a check = paid promotion/PR... It's like what Dubai did...
When you find out, let me know !!! My parents begged me to come with them this year. They’re still there and I didn’t go. None of my cousins were going so I stayed in USA.
I thought it was bc of Detty December 🤷🏾♀️
Shiiiiiddd 🤣 I’m thinking of packing my stuff and going there myself! 😂😂❤️❤️❤️
I think its entirely disrespectful and hypocritical to call an ACTUALLY WOMAN "CIS". Especially coming from the sameee community that can't stand name calling. Make it make sense.
Yaaasssss! I love it!!!
Chloe and burna boy look AWKKKKWARDDDD.
Hey, luv u Queen, but burna n Steff were done yrs ago his song Last Last was about their breakup. Jayda was already with pardi when he song talibans. I believe him n steff still mess around bcuz after him n Chloe went viral, she posted a video of him gifting her a car 😅. Love from Trinidad 🇹🇹
Saw that !!
I clocked that Hannah Montana moment too
13:18 at 5:17 am when i saw this pic i screamed WHOA!!!!!! Because i never seen Maddie in male form. *though i did see her mangina flopping all over the place* 😂
He scared the hell out of me😣
🗣️TALK YOUR ISH CHIOMA! Especially on that last story 🫶🏽
@13:05 But she do look like T, also a blowup doll. Maybe the conversation is more about self image than being compared to a trans
4:17 about Burna Boy he never publicly cheated on Stef (don’t know if he did or didn’t in reality) he slept with Jada after he and Stef were already broken up. His controversy is about how much of hoe he is (he sleeps with everyone apparently or at least messy people) and how he treats them (he doesn’t treat them all well). In fact Stef is still SO in love with him she’s said in multiple interviews that he’s the love of her life and he got her a rolls Royce for her birthday
ALSO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE LAST TOPIC (TOPIC 3)
I agree Burna never cheated with Jada
Story #3, I think they do look alike and as a natural born black woman i wasn't offended honestly bcuz in my eyes they did favor in the side by side pics but if other women were offended ok they're entitled to be so and you're entitled to your opinion, i love your vids btw
Also side note this reminds me of that episode of king of the hill where Peggy became friends with a drag queen lol "a bunch of men want my clothes? No a bunch of men who want to look like women want your clothes"
Chioma…. Summer walker looks like Ts Madison 😂😂. It’s ok!!! They both have had multiple cosmetic procedures to enhance their beauty.