Nice find! The fact that you're minus on block for light attacks + v-trigger echoes what the Capcom designers originally intended; as a player you are encouraged to use more med. & heavy attacks vs. using lights.
Well I think it's partially just part of Capcom making Ken unique. He's filling that gap for SF4 players that like FADC stuff. There is tons to play with from it. But Ryu can activate more safely in neutral. If Ken activates in neutral then he will get punished. Not saying it's better, just saying that's the benefits of it compared to having to cancel from something.
JR, great work again my friend! Cancelling safely into VT on block will be a HUGE deal since he can't activate during his mid-screen neutral game. I personally used st.HP xx VT a lot to get my offense going (mixed in with xxx VT throw this is a very scary tactic haha). And I can't tell you how many Kens were blindly cancelling his SRK into VT, fishing for safe FADC-esque pressure. Another thing to test: Can you catch backdashes with a LKT or MKT? If you can then you could do an option select by doing tatsumaki xx VT cancels if they block (and catching them with the backdash if they hit). A few things I'm going to test on launch day are things like jump-in / cross-up aerial tatsus, aerial EX tatsus, target combo cancels (i.e., B+MP-HP and st.MK-HK...I assume they'll offer the same frame advantage as the heavy attack does normally), and maybe even VS step kick or super cancelled into VT (if that even works). Also, his overheads are probably safe if done meaty but they're hella negative OB, so it can't hurt going for his overheads into VT, again...if that even works. I can see Kens using his LKT (light kick tatsu) xx VT as a way to make hit confirms safe (i.e. Go Cross-up tatsu, st.HP xx LKT, EX SRK and if you can safely cancel into VT on either the st.HP or LKT depending on your reactions). I'm @Vandylizer on twitter. Let's try to share some awesome Ken tech/setups! ;)
Good stuff man. I'll add you when I get home from work. Always down to share tech. Especially since I won't get as much time to play these days... I'll most likely fall behind haha. Thanks for the comment.
I don't have psn. Maybe I'll bite the bullet and buy a ps4 before SFV. I just hate buying a console for one game haha. I'm playing on PC right now. But add me on steam, Facebook, or Twitter and I'm down to discuss stuff.
EX Tatsu combo at 0:47 doesn't work, unless Ken somehow builds enough meter midcombo to get a CA. Otherwise, good shit. Wish I knew that HP SRK canceled into V-Trigger was punishable. Lost a game this morning because I blocked that string but was too scared to push buttons afterwards.
+Hansford I feel like if you trigger cancel a blocked dp, it is smart in some situations for safety cause you won't eat a crush counter punish, or you could even block I think? In some situations, you might catch them slipping andeven get a punish of your own if they aren't quick enough to punish you.
REALLY NICE VIDEO !!! i m a noob and i need knowledge on SFV so i have one question...you test the V TRIGGER - HEAT RUSH (HK+HP) against Ken's crouch light punch but its an 4 frame start up right ? so against 3 frame what happen...
Thanks dude. I used Adobe Premiere for this one. I jump between premiere, after effects, and davinici resolve for my editing. If you are looking for something free then DaVinci Resolve is amazing. It's what I use at work most of the time. Still amazes me that it's free.
I find it odd that Ken can V-Trigger out of a Wake-Up Shoryu on block (even though it's unsafe as far as I have tested) When I was fighting a Ken online I didn't even know that was possible until it happened to me.... This isn't related but to Ken but what font did you use for this? Music choice was also pretty good!
The font is called Harbara. They definitely tried to give Ken's vtrigger that sf4 FADC feel but it functions way different. That's why everyone is doing dp vtrigger cancel until everyone knows how easy it is to punish it. Huge freeze frame to help lol.
Jay Rego I had a clutch match where whoever landed a hit would have won and when he did the DP, V-Trigger combo it caught it off guard... I was so salty. I was thinking "I thought Capcom wanted people to commit to their reversals and not give them a way to make them safe" but after I tested it out I realised that it's not as safe as it seems. Thanks for your video! Now I know for sure what's punishable and what isn't when I'm facing Ken.
+Roger Adamek can vouch for that. When I started using ryu I was really shy with him and was afraid to try thinggs. Over time I grew confidence with him and eventually realize I implement a lot of frame traps that usually work well for pressure and to have an easier time in hit confirming. It really helps a lot until they start mashing
I'm kinda salty that he is at a disadvantage on alot of those. I've been canceling shoryu and mixing in a grab usually which has been working wonders. I guess if people spam lp they could escape any potential mixup unless i'm +.
You know... I never could get that to work for some reason lol. But the other benefit of doing it this way is that it's easy to reload and test different buttons or actions without having to re-record.
![[SFV] Using Ken's V Trigger Cancel On Block](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/akzrGhcZOHo/mqdefault.jpg)
![[SFV] Using Ken's V Trigger Cancel On Block](/img/tr.png)
STREET FIGHTER V, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
Time to get to work.
Exceptional video. Well done!
Hell yeah!
The music is THE BEST I've ever heard in any fighting game related video so far.
Its how I picture Ken in this game. The funky breakbeat fits his energetic style. Ken is styling.
+Jay Rego True dat! :]
Holy crap Ken's combos are so stylish looking. I'll definitely be picking him up in this game.
I'm looking forward to all your future discoveries in SFV!
Thanks Carlos. I'm hoping you have some time to grind out matches with me on launch :D
+Jay Rego For sure buddy ^^
you have one of the best videos that explain SF concepts
good stuff
thanks for sharing this!
Really good stuff, thank you for taking the time to put this together.
Nice find! The fact that you're minus on block for light attacks + v-trigger echoes what the Capcom designers originally intended; as a player you are encouraged to use more med. & heavy attacks vs. using lights.
Bring back the classic Rego font! :D
(Really pumped to see a SFV video!)
Haha really Zach? You're not bored of that one yet? I literally used it for every video.
+Jay Rego It's iconic! That probably sounds like a joke, but I really do think it suits the channel. Consider it? :)
Ok, I will haha.
Yesssssssss. Although the one you used would be pretty good from time to time, with a bit more drop shadow. Still, nothing beats the OG font.
great vid man! Really good stuff here.
Ex air tatsu bla bla bla super... seems legit xD
Damn, you did all this work I was gonna do after launch! I'm so grateful for this, thank you!
No problem. Helps speed up the learning process for all of us to focus on better things for launch.
Good stuff! Thanks for saving me the trouble of testing this myself
Really nice stuff!
Very nice video man.
I need to start learning those frames with karin.
Tatsu Dive kick into Super obviously wouldn't work but it's great to see what's able to juggle and hit. Great vid!
Yeah I'm an idiot. I made a ton of mistakes. I was rushing to finish before the beta closed haha.
EX TATSU INTO SUPER DAFUQ?
Just keeping you on your toes man.
+Jay Rego Lol I was about to mention this exact combo.
thanks for sharing man, nice video easy to understand
Excellent video!
Very Nice. Thanks for this.
jay this is great and helps alot for new comers like me that want to play ken
Right on. Learning a fighting game is tons of fun. Even in the lab. Good luck.
Ken can V-trigger cancel his Hadou, Tatsu and Dp's.. insane. Ryu can Vtrigger cancel JackCrap
Well I think it's partially just part of Capcom making Ken unique. He's filling that gap for SF4 players that like FADC stuff. There is tons to play with from it. But Ryu can activate more safely in neutral. If Ken activates in neutral then he will get punished. Not saying it's better, just saying that's the benefits of it compared to having to cancel from something.
Very interesting video.
JR, great work again my friend! Cancelling safely into VT on block will be a HUGE deal since he can't activate during his mid-screen neutral game. I personally used st.HP xx VT a lot to get my offense going (mixed in with xxx VT throw this is a very scary tactic haha). And I can't tell you how many Kens were blindly cancelling his SRK into VT, fishing for safe FADC-esque pressure. Another thing to test: Can you catch backdashes with a LKT or MKT? If you can then you could do an option select by doing tatsumaki xx VT cancels if they block (and catching them with the backdash if they hit).
A few things I'm going to test on launch day are things like jump-in / cross-up aerial tatsus, aerial EX tatsus, target combo cancels (i.e., B+MP-HP and st.MK-HK...I assume they'll offer the same frame advantage as the heavy attack does normally), and maybe even VS step kick or super cancelled into VT (if that even works). Also, his overheads are probably safe if done meaty but they're hella negative OB, so it can't hurt going for his overheads into VT, again...if that even works.
I can see Kens using his LKT (light kick tatsu) xx VT as a way to make hit confirms safe (i.e. Go Cross-up tatsu, st.HP xx LKT, EX SRK and if you can safely cancel into VT on either the st.HP or LKT depending on your reactions).
I'm @Vandylizer on twitter. Let's try to share some awesome Ken tech/setups! ;)
Good stuff man. I'll add you when I get home from work. Always down to share tech. Especially since I won't get as much time to play these days... I'll most likely fall behind haha. Thanks for the comment.
+Jay Rego add me on psn. DVeritas24 is the id. I also have some ken tech as well
I don't have psn. Maybe I'll bite the bullet and buy a ps4 before SFV. I just hate buying a console for one game haha. I'm playing on PC right now. But add me on steam, Facebook, or Twitter and I'm down to discuss stuff.
+Jay Rego what's your fb?
Can Facebook have usernames? Look for Jay Rego. Somewhere in Canada. Or its on the UA-cam channel banner
Cool stuff!
good shit ! thanks
you are a genius
EX Tatsu combo at 0:47 doesn't work, unless Ken somehow builds enough meter midcombo to get a CA. Otherwise, good shit. Wish I knew that HP SRK canceled into V-Trigger was punishable. Lost a game this morning because I blocked that string but was too scared to push buttons afterwards.
DP is all about commitment in this game. There's really no way to make them safe. Actually feels like I'm playing Street Fighter
+Hansford I feel like if you trigger cancel a blocked dp, it is smart in some situations for safety cause you won't eat a crush counter punish, or you could even block I think? In some situations, you might catch them slipping andeven get a punish of your own if they aren't quick enough to punish you.
REALLY NICE VIDEO !!!
i m a noob and i need knowledge on SFV so i have one question...you test the V TRIGGER - HEAT RUSH (HK+HP) against Ken's crouch light punch but its an 4 frame start up right ? so against 3 frame what happen...
Something to do with normals priority system, I believe?
What about cr.MK xx Hadouken xx V-Trigger? Did you test it? Great video btw.
I did and unfortunately I accidentally deleted my recordings and then the beta closed haha. It seems dependant on spacing though.
Jay Rego I see, thanks!
+FFxStrife from what i found it's +6 on block and +9 or higher on hit. really great option. also DP xx vtrig is around -4 or -5.
This is good stuff. Do you have footage of Ken's bread and butter combos in this final beta?
No, I never recorded any this time
What software did you use to make this btw? Great vid!
Thanks dude. I used Adobe Premiere for this one. I jump between premiere, after effects, and davinici resolve for my editing. If you are looking for something free then DaVinci Resolve is amazing. It's what I use at work most of the time. Still amazes me that it's free.
Ah damn, if I would've seen this while the beta was still up I woulda ripped off this format for Ryu
fyi, ken's crouching jabs are 4 frames start-up, not 3.
Oh seriously.. Well that's a fail. Ok replace everything with 1 extra frame lol. Thanks for the heads up
I find it odd that Ken can V-Trigger out of a Wake-Up Shoryu on block (even though it's unsafe as far as I have tested)
When I was fighting a Ken online I didn't even know that was possible until it happened to me....
This isn't related but to Ken but what font did you use for this?
Music choice was also pretty good!
The font is called Harbara. They definitely tried to give Ken's vtrigger that sf4 FADC feel but it functions way different. That's why everyone is doing dp vtrigger cancel until everyone knows how easy it is to punish it. Huge freeze frame to help lol.
Jay Rego I had a clutch match where whoever landed a hit would have won and when he did the DP, V-Trigger combo it caught it off guard... I was so salty. I was thinking "I thought Capcom wanted people to commit to their reversals and not give them a way to make them safe" but after I tested it out I realised that it's not as safe as it seems. Thanks for your video! Now I know for sure what's punishable and what isn't when I'm facing Ken.
Good shit here i was just trying Ken this beta, wish i cared about frame data though :(
+Roger Adamek can vouch for that. When I started using ryu I was really shy with him and was afraid to try thinggs. Over time I grew confidence with him and eventually realize I implement a lot of frame traps that usually work well for pressure and to have an easier time in hit confirming. It really helps a lot until they start mashing
I'm kinda salty that he is at a disadvantage on alot of those. I've been canceling shoryu and mixing in a grab usually which has been working wonders. I guess if people spam lp they could escape any potential mixup unless i'm +.
You don't have to use turbo; you can just set the dummy to jab out of blockstun.
You know... I never could get that to work for some reason lol. But the other benefit of doing it this way is that it's easy to reload and test different buttons or actions without having to re-record.
Do you know who you're gonna be maining in 5?