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Hi James. As a guy who's owned multiple Porsche's, including different 911 turbo generations, I was wondering which generation(s) of Turbo's are your favorite to drive. For the past two years, I've been in a 2017 Maserati Granturismo, and I love it. But I'm considering getting back into a turbo. Thanks in advance, and cheers from across the pond.
@JayEmmOnCars Thanks for the input! 997.1 or 997.2 turbo? & what were your thoughts regarding the transmission choices with the 997tt's, tiptronic .1, pdk .2, or manual all the way with both? Because after owning the Maserati with its 6 spd automatic with paddle shifters, I have to admit that I'm not really missing the 3rd pedal that was in all of my Porsche's. I'm obviously getting old, lol. Thanks in advance, James!
@@normsallitt2753bro i swear it’s “Porsches” and “Turbos” not with a ‘s” sick and tired of seeing people mixing up the 2 between apostrophes and plural.
Two major problems exist - 1 U.K. roads are worse than ever 2 - Porsche’s are faster and heavier than ever ( meaning there’s now a lot more pot holes to hit )
15:13 Series III 16:03 AMG A 45 S 18:23 MG F 18:58 WRX STI 21:12 640 Gran Coupe Hey James, I really appreciate you always putting in clips of nice cars randomly spotted on camera during your reviews! I've been noticing these for a long time but I think this is the most number of cars I saw in a single video. It's fun looking for them throughout any of your videos!
Some people prefer the more characterful, “Living on the edge” ownership experience of an Italian Supercar like the Bravo. You are clearly one of them, and there is no right or wrong. Bravo!👏
@@philhenry8213 Like Odoman for instance!!! He has at least 12 different YT channels!!, maybe more, totalling over 9,000 uploaded videos!!!! if u a PCGB member you will know who I am referring too.. Make a google search of "bavariandominator @ the Review Centre" then read the reviews.
Well well, interesting review and comments. From a previous owner of a 997 Turbo S and now a 2022 992 Turbo S, I disagree completely. There is no lag in my car, everything is perfect about it, I can't see the outer gauges unless I turn my head and I don't care about that, it was about the same in my 993 Carrera S I had for 13 years b4 the 997. The radio is hard to figure out but the looks of the car, the comfort (it's Camry comfortable on long trips), the speed (which I never use), I only use the car for day trips, to meet up with friends, running errands, going out to dinner, etc, it's a heavenly delight whenever I drive it. I bought it in the most boring color combo, GT Silver w/black interior and it flies under the radar. I'm 63 now and will never, ever sell it or upgrade, I love it that much. If I totaled it, I would run out and buy the same year, same car again.
The best thing about Porsche making a car this good? It encourages people to explore the older models even more. Good engineering, great performance and reliability improves the brand. That means people who have more modest means will explore older 911's of all types with more confidence and interest. And that is a good thing.
I think I'm a living example of this, I'm mostly a US and Japanese car fan, but the modern 911's have left a great impression on me and I've been looking into the older models a lot. I thought they were all extremely terrifying to own like old Ferraris, but it doesn't seem to be the case. I'd still have to drive one to know how I truly feel about it, rear engine still feels wrong to me lol.
Love how everyone complains about the outer dials being obscured in the 992, then in the next breath reminisce about how the 964 or 993 were so amazing... 😂
@@JayEmmOnCars some 'great' design decisions in my 964 Turbo that I can think of - circular/rotating door locking controls (not buttons), sunroof controls as a rocker switch on a horizontal panel under the clocks facing the floor, intermittent wiper delay as a random knob thrown in the middle of the dashboard, fog and driving lamp controls in the exact same form factor (and next to!) the cigarette lighter, tiny-weeny heater/AC controls yet a giant honking 'reset warning light' button down in the centre console. I *still* wouldn't change a thing about it though :) Okay... maybe the fuel economy.... .... and parts availability.... .... and price of spare parts....
@@000GunterGabriel000 I would certainly agree that compared to many modern cars the layout and clarity of the classic 5 gauge cluster in the 964/993 is absolutely superb. The switchgear and controls not so much, but the gauges themselves are excellent.
The outer dials on my 991.1 are obscured by the wheel too, but it doesn’t really bother me, I’ve had plenty of Alfas with far worse dash ergonomics, that you just get used to.
One correction I would like to make here is that the Turbo S has no turbo lag at all. It has variable-geometry turbos which allow it to change the air flow as needed to get rid of turbo lag. What it does have, however, is electronic throttle lag with the drive by wire system. When I got my Turbo S it annoyed the heel out of me so I got an off the shelf tune from M-Engineering for $2500 and that is now all gone, it should have come like that from the factory, throttle response is now very crisp and just slightly touching the throttle makes the car shoot off with no lag.
I agree with a lot of this but as a previous 911 owner which I used daily, was absolutely faultless and relatively cheap to run I find myself looking to buy the Turbo S rather than a Ferrari or Aston.
Only watched the first few minutes but it’s interesting to see the way Jayemm talks about the 992 generation whenever all the other reviews I’ve seen people seem to love the 992 generation
Hard to believe UA-cam reviewers that love every car. I mean, that wouldn't have anything to do with the fact they get the cars from the manufacturer and need to maintain relationships so can't bash a car in their reviews... Compared to Jayemm who gets his cars from followers who and therefore has no allegiance to the manufacturer.
@@boostandflow4603 There are plenty of cars where I agree with "the consensus". I am just very confused that people get annoyed when my opinion differs to others - there are plenty of people out there who don't like the 992.
That’s why I appreciate Jayemm and Harry Metcalfe’s reviews. They don’t follow consensus and provide objective critiques. With those two, you never know what you’re gonna get.
I agree with your guy David. I have a 981 Bosxter GTS and that's peak (usable) Porsche for me. The 'big power' cars have to be going so fast to have fun that it's just insane. I put Pilot Sport All Seasons on it too. There's no down-side in real-world driving. The limits may be a little lower but that's more fun anyway and who needs Cup 2s on the street? I'll take the ability to drive the car in cold weather over a few tenths in some corner. You nailed it in your video 'Perfect modern Porsche'.
I've been a 993 'caretaker' for about 17 years running, and as such what I lament the most about the recent and current generations of 911s is how much they've grown with each successive generation. I thought the 991 was as big as it should be, but Porsche obviously thought otherwise.
I used to daily drive a 981 Cayman S and regularly parked it next to a 997 at my local Sainsburys. I was always surprised how much bigger the Cayman looked - I just wonder if they're (un)subtly moving the 911 up into full super-GT territory, leaving the "baby" model as the real sports car. As a sports car, the 911 is too luxurious, too big and too fast, but as a GT it's just a bit of tyre noise insulation short of brilliance. I also have a suspicion that the Coxster range went to a flat 4 because they realised the 992 doesn't sound great so they couldn't have the cheaper one sounding incredible. Lab emissions tests are a factor too but, from experience, the 3.4L engine is actually more economical than the 4-pots are - I used to regularly get 45mpg+ (47-48 driving carefully) on long runs...plus it sounds like a proper NA flat 6.
My Cayman 2.7 981 PDK is a fabulous car. I actually prefer it to my manual 997TT. Sound, handling, size, and lovely looks. Just about to put GTS rear lights on it to top it off.
A buddy of mine has one of these, and while it is a bit quicker than my 991.2 GT3, it really is lacking the soul of the more manic cars from Porsche. One thing that always bugged me was the black plastic air intakes on the rear fenders that dates back to the 996 turbo. After all these years Porsche doesn’t have the engineering to integrate it into the fender like the way Ruf did it on cars like the RT12? Always looked cheap on turbos and GT3/2 RS’s
11:39 exact same thing happened on my first drive of a 911 Turbo S here. I've driven fast AWD cars before but I have never felt the wheel fight my grip so intensely and unexpectedly, it's incredibly entertaining to feel that and shows you how much work has to be done to make sure the 650hp is properly deployed. The throttle calibration on this is a highlight too, you can definitely daily this in sport mode without making your passengers sick.
Boy, I have to disagree about the cupholders. The previous generations of 911 had in-dash cup"holders" that worked better as cup ejectors. The new 911 is the first to have a cupholder that will securely hold a drink without fear of imminent disaster. I have a friend whose cupholder let the drink bounce and spill - and then it dripped directly in the HVAC fan control and gummed it up to the point that it had to be disassembled. This new design is a huge improvement!
Another thought - the complaint about engine response. Are you aware of the fact that the car has a "wet mode" for its settings? And that it can kick into that mode when the sensors detect that it's appropriate? And BTW, it was raining hard throughout your test drive? I think there's a strong chance the car kicked itself into wet mode to protect the driver and that's why you thought it seemed "laggy." On a dry road I have NO such issues with mine!
Agreed. The pop out holders scared the crap out of you but never let you down. Unless you forgot to flip up the middle flap when they were out and full and the arm swung the first time you cornered. 😂
My problem with the 911 has always been the rear biased balance of the car. I much prefer the neutral handling characteristics of the Cayman, but I like the size and comfort features of the 911. The 997 generation was the last generation that you could really feel the rear biased weight distribution. Ever since then, Porsche has been dialing out the rear engine feel with the 991 generation and even more so with the 992 generation. I generally appreciate these handling advancements, but I don't like how refined the cars have become. They've lost the analog charm. I would love to see your comparison of the 991 and 992 generation Turbo S. I'm beginning to think the 991 generation might be the sweet spot for me.
Oh you can still feel the rear weight distribution….. just jump from any mid engined car and it will reset your sense or rear engined mass. I don’t disagree that the car is much less “rear engined” than before but it’s absolutely present. I feel a lot of people prefer the Cayman/Boxsters balance but that rear engine just gives so much darn traction out of corners
991.1 isn’t that great. The 991.2 is better but I don’t really care for the turbo of the 991 variety. I’ve yet to drive any 992’s. But to me, the sweet spot of the 991 range are the .2 Carrera and S. The engine is turbo but doesn’t feel like it, the chassis is MUCH better, the infotainment is of this century and the car just feels much more alive. And the T really turns that to 11. The 997…yeah, it’s super rear biased. And the 997 Turbo…gets a bit spooky when the rear is loaded up. It does not handle bumps well mid corner. You can DEFINITELY feel that engine slung out over the rear. It definitely feels much more like an air cooled 911 than a water cooled.
@@jameswillard1 Absolutely. The benefits of rear engine are still there on the 992, but Porsche has been steadily engineering away the shortcomings of the rear engine layout.
Well JayEmm, please pass out gratitude to David too. Thanks for another review, I really like your style of digging deeper on why a car exist rather than just that it's fast, especially these days with EVs around, everyone and their granny are very fast 🤣.
Having driven most, the 992 turbo S is wonderful. I'd have it over a recent drive in a GT4 RS...the turbo is just so useable. I think people that say they would have a GT4rs havent driven one, two hours in one would set the scene ;)
I got a free lap of a 992 Turbo S around PECLA a couple of years ago. I told him I had a GT4. The instructor said "my bosses won't like me saying this but I'd rather drive your car." That said, I met an owner of a 992 GT3 Touring... once he took it home couldn't stand it and traded it in for a 992 Turbo S
I've had a GT4, GT3 and (very briefly) a GT4RS. For a daily driver, which is what I really use the car for, my current 992.1 Turbo S is by far my favorite. I can still track or AX the Turbo S and have a great time. While the GT cars were better on track, they weren't that great on the street and the GT4RS was miserable. On balance, the Turbo S wins.
@dwightmoore3060 my GT4 is a weekend car. Even before I modified it I couldn't stand it as a daily, especially since I'm at the gym a lot. Not the best car to drive tired. Or sick
The Turbo S was specifically developed by Porsche for dentists, consultant surgeons and sociopaths in there early 60's. Clinical, emotionless and adroit some say. It is bought mostly in Silver or black. It's a very very very good car and that's why they have bought every iteration. This is a true fact.
As he say he needs to be critical, less than 1% will ever be able to appreciate everything the car has to offer. A 911 will always be a dream for many of us. Even if the experts find things they don't like about it.
Great review, thanks. I find some of your observations interesting. I owned a 997.2 Turbo S for a number of years, and I agree with a lot of your comments in that video. I feel like in this video you are looking at the older cars with some slightly rose colored glasses. The newer turbo engine can’t be nearly as laggy as the first generation 3.8 DFI Turbo engine exhibits, variable turbos be dammed. And the first gen PDK in that car really only feels remotely like a PDK in Sport Plus. And that car’s ride was absolutely BRUTAL. It was a charming, quirky thing, though. To me, the sweet spot IS, as you said, a 997.1 Turbo manual. You just need to upgrade the infotainment and switch out the silver switches for black. Sure, it isn’t as fast ast the 3.8 is full stop, but it’s got more character and is quite fast enough.
It’s a pity manufacturers think sport or sporty means a hard ride, uncomfortable, we don’t want that going along a straight public road with corners, 99% don’t do track days, what happened to rising rate springs or equivalent in computer suspension so comfortable until you leane on it at over a certain speed.
The 911 Turbo S was one of the fastest accelerating cars ever tested on CarWow, easily out accelerating McLarens with WAY more power due to its very decent power but also its staggeringly good traction! I`d LOVE one of these, they have to be one of the fastest point to point cars on sale today. One of these would annihilate any Ferrari on sale (especially with a very well priced chip change) with its staggering grip, incredible suspension, superb brakes and small packaging! A far more sensible proposition on UKs terrible, damp, slippery roads.
*easily out accelerating McLaren’s up till about 80-100MPH then this car has gotten stomped pretty good by 720/765 as well as the Ferrari’s (296/SF90) you claim it can “easily outperform”
@@Anon.G on CarWow they might have gotten the same ET but (for example) a 296GTB has consistently recorded a 9.6 and 9.7 at 150MPH in the 1/4 mile by Road & Track, Car & Driver, and Motor Trend. A 992 Turbo S is usually a 10.1 car, but way more important than ET is the trap speed and there the Ferrari is spanking the 911 Turbo S’s little behind, 12MPH in the 1/4 mile is bus lengths and that’s why it loses its edge and gets dropped so bad in the roll races compared to the faster Mclarens and Ferraris
@@Anon.G well then I’d love to know where you’re finding stock Turbo S’s running mid 9’s……or just as fast as the other cars mentioned? Trap speed is an indicator of how much HP and how hard the car is accelerating at end of 1/4 mile is actually very important but ok 👌
I've been waiting ages for JayEmm's opinion on the 992 Turbo S. I'm surprised he loves it as much as he did. I agree, out of all the 992's, the Turbo S shines the most. While the GT3/RS are now more nimble than ever, they've sacrificed comfort and they look outrageous (the RS). The ST/SC are just unobtanium. The 992 Turbo is the biggest improvement from a previous gen, with little to no drawbacks.
Re the turbo lag, Ithink I read somewhere that Porsche have deliberately engineered out the lag from the (now turbocharged) Carrera models to try and make them feel more N.A., but at the same time engineered *in* a bit of lag to the Turbo to emphasise its Turbo-ness (I think that's a word, right). PS, just spotted that VHS falling over clip :D PPS, the colour of that Bentley at 22:28 - wow!
It's potentially brilliant, for me a used C2S is about the top of my potential price range and my issue is that it's neither raw nor refined enough for me to justify. Older ones were sports cars, not like a Lotus but it was all about the driving experience. The 992 (and even 991) have moved fully into GT (meaning gran tourer, not Porsche GT) territory with all the luxury and size, yet the refinement, meaning tyre noise, is still not good enough for that job. I wonder if the next gen will go fully into GT land, solve that and be more of an Aston competitor, or if they'll hold off making it any bigger and aim for the sports car market fully again, considering the Coxster is going EV?
Enjoyed the review JayEmm, the 911 Turbo S is my dream car (M3 G80 owner...which is brilliant) , for me living in the north of gods country its the everyday super car.
Having owned a 1979 930 for 32 years and driven many I believe the most fun engaging 911 was the late 80s 911. For more power the 993 is great and still mostly analog. My Turbo of course had massive lag, so for a day in the twisties normally aspirated is the way to go. Light, nimble and svelte. You do not need mega power to have mega fun in an analog car, even better to me. Computers need not apply.
I wonder if you can get a drive in the standard Turbo? Although lower in power and overall torque, the torque curve figures I have seen suggest that may have less lag.
I think that Porsche is facing the same issue that the GT-R is: it was a great choice when it first came out but now it's evolved too little and it costs too much, therefore facing far more competition. It may drive brilliantly, of which I'm certain, but it'll never match a Ferrari in desirability, even though it may soon do so in price. Oh, and excellent video, as always. Thank you for all your work.
Don’t let a review fool you, the 992 Turbo S is a very evolved 911 driving experience and is absolutely still the benchmark. None of the other cars mentioned have a similar blend of sheer performance, versatility, and reliability. If you drove it hard yourself, you’d be blown away.
Perfect video for what I'm in a quandary over! I've always wanted to pickup a sportscar at a European factory and tour Europe. I'm in America. Background: I've had a few sportscars since high-school and liter sportsbikes continuously since college. Finding sports bikes infinitely more fun than affordable sportscars, I've enjoyed an unbelievably reliable BMW E39 for 400,000 miles while I waited for a business endeavor to payoff. So, as i configured online every conceivable of every possible consideration, I concluded that the best one is from Japan, the LC 500! LOL Sticking to European, I'm incredibly conflicted. I've watched all the youboob channels, but find yours most helpful! love your work; your analyses are superior to all. I'm planning to bring it, whatever it shall be, back via ship from Southhampton to New York. Would love to visit you before returning and maybe we can do a video regarding my choice and what the thousands of miles were like!
In the owner of this car and I think James is spot on with his review - both the pros and cons. For me, right now, where I live, it is the perfect everyday car. However I do miss the sound and tactility of my manual GT3. No regrets though - the Turbo is a better all round practical any weather beast
the lowered compression ratio won't be all that's causing the lag, my 1.6 DS3 has an 11:1 compression ratio but still has a bit of lag with a much smaller turbo.
TTS is the most dependable daily driver supercar made and the best choice. The Roma is in the shop alot. Same for Huracan. Aston Martin depreciation is very bad. I'll stick with TTS.
This is quite interesting, I remember watching your GR 86 review (I am biased because that's my favorite car ever), that's how I came to your channel. And I remember you said the 86 was smaller and therefore more enjoyable than many other cars that were way more expensive, and in this review the owner stopped driving the GT3 in favor of a Boxster, so I have to wonder now, have we been lied to by car makers and the internet? I love 911 as much as the next person, but are special things like the GT3 truly the ultimate? Or is a more normal car that makes every journey and every mile a happy moment actually the ultimate sports car? In anyway, I still think Porsche has gone nuts (And become too arrogant) for rising the prices for their line up by THAT MUCH.
In some devastatingly quick cars, turbo lag kind of becomes their charm. Learning how to time that lag becomes an enjoyable learning curve. Considering “Turbo” is its name. It’s almost a throwback to high hp turbo cars. Creates a different driving experience to its competitors.
I read somewhere that when the Carrera models were first turbocharged, Porsche designed them to have as little turbo lag as possible. The Turbo was deliberately designed to have some lag to make them more in the character of the 911 Turbo of old. Maybe this is why the 992 Turbo has lag?
This is the car review that made me realise the future of my car ownership now lies in the past... I love a new car, but from now on it'll be second-hand cars all the way...."911 sir? Certainly we recommend the 1982/83 model year....Aston Martin? Well that'll be the 2014 DB9...
Idk why but Turbo always been my favourite in 911 lineups despite being called vacuum cleaner. There are still a lot of great aftermarket exhaust options anw
992 Turbo S owner here, JayEmm. I have to agree, the Turbo and Turbo S are the best looking models in the 992 lineup. However the base 992, S, and GT3 touring look better until the spoiler deploys. Then the styling goes to hell with the accordion pleated ox team yoke on full display. I had the 992 911 S for a year and a half, I know.
Being the proud? driver of a 1997 mitsubishi delica, I reckon this porsche would be exiting enough, and through my tears of joy for getting a drive, I would be very happy indeed. Thanks .
22:22 despite the criticism being reasonable, cars, even the cheap ones, always have a big price tag so we usually notice inflation on their prices quite a bit more. The price leap you described is basically the 15% inflation of the last years. We should always have in mind that BMW has consistently lowered the 5 series price and even more if you account for what you get since it was introduced and that it wasn't Dacia's plan to almost double the sandero price, its always policy makers screwing everything up! I refer to the video where you spoke about this almost weekly!
I’ve come from a 991.2 Turbo S to a 992 Turbo S and I value that firmer handling and the exhaust. The car drives night and day compared to a 991 for me and it’s the missing piece I was looking for. The 991 for me had equal turbo lag. I had my 991.2 turbo S tuned and my 992 stock feels quicker off the line. Of course I’m biased towards Porsche having had a few but I don’t think I’d be selling my 992 anytime soon. Interesting, had a 992 GTS RWD for a bit and it was frustratingly firm. Felt stiffer than a 991.2 GT3! Made me value the comfort of the turbo S over a GTS. For me they found the right balance.
The 991.2 is easily corrected with some proper suspension pieces and a Kline exhaust. I know the 992 has differences that some will like and some will not. For me, 991.2 is peak Porsche. I do not want digital dash etc.
I recently drove the previous version of the turbo s and remember thinking, wow, this thing has no turbo lag. Why would they mess with that on the new version? I think Jay’s opinion is colored by the fact that he normally drives Ferraris. Porsches are awesome driving machines but they totally lack in the drama department. I remember Shmee driving a Porsche over 200 mph on the autobahn and going “meh, too clinical and effortless “.
Great video. In truth, they all are. That shot of the VHS falling over just before the car whooshes by... That's worthy of Hitchcock, Fellini, or Kubrick. A beautiful detail, unnecessary, yet essential, and indicative of a man who wants his film to be the best it can be. If the BBC are still wanting to save Top Gear, they could hire the next Clarkson and the next Wilman on one dotted line.
Would strongly recommend the Cayman 4.0 as pretty much the closest modern alternative to the GT3, by no means it s the 911 Turbo and it s never been that, so shame on the salesmen trying to market it as such even though I doubt that anyone really believed in that statement.
I once sat in a Porsche Turbo as a kid, must have been about 1975. All I remember was that it was silver with a huge rear airfoil and it was the most uncomfortable car I had ever experienced. Strange how that memory has stuck with me over the decades. Closest I've ever been to a Porsche.
What makes me sad is how at this time of year you really get to notice how many trees are being suffocated by ivy. We really should do something about it. (There's tons of them in this video) Love the Turbo S though.
Actual porsche enthusiasts like turbo lag for the same reasons we love manual transmissions, take these away, and it's not really a turbo anymore, is it?!
Funny because as a top gear worshiper that you are you seem to be ok with the arguments there made that Lamborghini lunacy is a feature not a defect. As a porsche turbo owner for the past few years I argue that turbo lag will always be more exciting than no turbo lag as part of the 911 turbo mystique.
@@Millsprinkles569 I'm not sure why you think I agree with the sentiment "supercars should be scary" because I don't - and I've been critical of a few Lamborghinis in the past for just being unruly (Gallardo 5.0 in particular).
Traded my GT3 for a Turbo! Different cars for sure; however, for US roads/highways with speed limits, it’s the much better car! I don’t really miss the NA sound of the GT3! A high flow aftermarket exhaust fixed that concern. For US driving, torque wins. The ultimate/Grail 911 for me is the limited edition/special 992.1 S/T! Better yet, make mine with a big wing like on the GT2RS! YMMV
I dont think its turbo lag, this is a calibration "issue". Transients are terrible from an emission perspective which is why they need to ramp up combustion slowly (see more or less all VAG products after dieselgate, especially the diesels).
Another good review. Clinical, fast and well made, always the group test winner. At the risk of upsetting VW fans, I would never want one, too dull looking and feeling for me.
Not having the car in the proper gear and RPM when putting your foot in the gas can make a driver think turbo lag is a problem. Not doing so, creates a “slingshot” sensation. “Hold on, honey.”
Anyone fading the 992 turbo s has to have their head checked. Using terms like "efficient" not "exciting" when refering to the shifting is ridiculous. Whats an exciting shift? A jerky aventador that gives you whiplash?
I'm hoping this is going to be one of those occasions where James gives us an honest, critical review of a Porsche, as opposed to regular car 'journalists' giving fawning praise in order to keep a good relationship with Porsche.
That bit about the cupholders in old 911s I don't understand. How can they be a work of art if they do not exist? My 993 didn't have it, and I doubt any of the ones before mine did either. Or is your definition of classic 911 a 997 or 991?
The big disappointment for me is the VW insistence that the cruise control be relegated to a stick, subordinate to "the phone" and "the volume". To me that's just stupid. An automobile is about motion, cruise control affects motion. I'm not buying any car that does not put its cruise control on the steering wheel. If it's rally, Nascar, F1, or whatever there will be no cruise control at all.
992 generation is already half a decade old; time certainly flies. Wonder how long it'll be before a GT2 announcement followed by the next-gen 911 leaks and eventual launch.
992.2 refresh will likely start rolling out before the end of 2024. I worry about the added complexity of the hydridization planned and its impact on reliability, durability and cost of both purchase and maintenance. Speculations about the 994 are that there may be a reduction in the size of the car and targeted release date is 2028.
I've been privileged to drive the first 3 incarnations of and turbos---993 -997-- thanks to a generous former employer 😊 all 3 were incredible things and whilst I didn't consider at the time they were reasonably small in width terms compared to this 992---if money was no object though it would still be the 997 gt3 rs 4.0😊----great video as always jay 👍.
Great overview as usual BUT discussing 992 turboS suspension and it’s ride quality would have liked you to compare with say the 12C McLaren or the 650S with that interlinked hydraulic suspension….?
I drove this car for an extended period. Its too good for its own sake. Its so good, its boring to drive on the road, its far too quick, far too composed, to get any emotion out of it, you need to be driving it too quickly and aggressively, and it gets you into trouble pretty quickly. But its sure as hell quick to get you out of trouble as well, it brakes too well. Its a damn great car. But not worth it.
That’s what someone who can’t have one in the garage would say, lol. When you don’t have to hand back the keys, all of those things make it awesome. It’s satisfying to know I can deploy a massively brutal yet precise Mr. Hyde at any moment, even though I’m in totally comfy Dr. Jekyll mode.
The only modern 911 Turbo I would buy is the Turbo Cabriolet. The rear spoiler makes the 911 Cabriolet look less stupid. In Coupe form the 4 GTS Manual and S/T appeal much more to me!
13:44 I mean sure I get the criticism, but why would you specifically force the car into 2500rpm in 3rd gear at 35mph in manual? Just to isolate the issue of turbo lag as much as possible? In real world if you are either relaxed cruising in automatic and when you put your foot down PDK will downshift in fraction of a second into much higher rpm where there is no lag or you are tryharding with the car in manual and it's your job to keep the revs high so there is no lag... I always agree with you in your reviews, but this one feels a bit biased not gonna lie. Sure Ferrari has been know for their great turbo engines having almost no lag, but trying to catch 911 Turbo S of guard by putting it through worst possible scenario feels like you are really forcing the issue. It's like trying to overtake someone on highway in 6th gear and not downshifting wondering why is your overtaking so slow... don't take it as some sort of hate, but I genuinely don't understand why would you not drop down to 2nd or 1st gear there to avoid the lag. Could you explain? My overall car knowledge is less than yours for sure, but everyone I heard or talked to tells me that 992 Turbo S could be the best all around car in history, including both owners and journalists. If you have to live with one car this is it.
@@JayEmmOnCars Sure I overexaggerated with “worst case scenario” I agree, but still top of the 3rd gear is around 90mph and with turbocharged car which has 7000rpm redline it is weird to show only and criticize lag at 2500rpm. You seem to not try same test in higher revs, ar least not on video. Porsche themself said they designed the car to be relaxed in low rpms for everyday usability and when you want business you got to keep revs high. It also prolongs lifespan of those turbochargers to not be on boost 24/7 compare to previous 991 where you had to replace them pretty often. Fair enough Jay, thank you for your time reading and replying to my long ass comment. Hope your channel keeps doing well mate.
@@anmu9038 Plenty of other companies built turbo engines that were plenty responsive at that RPM - including Porsche themselves. This was not such an issue with their older cars, even the regular 992 Carrera has a more responsive engine. The Ferrari's is in a different league. I believe it to be entirely emissions related. Audi have had the exact same problem - lag exists now where it did not before
@@JayEmmOnCars Ever since base Carreras are not N/A Porsche said they are trying to make them feel like old N/A engines despite being turbocharged, while with Tubros it was always about performance first and never really cared about lag so much. Old 964, 993 and 996 all had very noticesble turbo lag. Anyway thanks for civilized discussion Jay, keep up the good work. I like your critical point of view compare to other journalists, that’s why you are one of my go to reviewers, but I guess it’s impossible to agree on everything. Have a wonderful day.
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Hi James. As a guy who's owned multiple Porsche's, including different 911 turbo generations, I was wondering which generation(s) of Turbo's are your favorite to drive. For the past two years, I've been in a 2017 Maserati Granturismo, and I love it. But I'm considering getting back into a turbo. Thanks in advance, and cheers from across the pond.
@@normsallitt2753 My favourites to date are the 993 and 997
@JayEmmOnCars Thanks for the input! 997.1 or 997.2 turbo? & what were your thoughts regarding the transmission choices with the 997tt's, tiptronic .1, pdk .2, or manual all the way with both? Because after owning the Maserati with its 6 spd automatic with paddle shifters, I have to admit that I'm not really missing the 3rd pedal that was in all of my Porsche's. I'm obviously getting old, lol. Thanks in advance, James!
@@normsallitt2753 Manual for me - neither the tip or PDK were very good for the 997. I was shocked how bad it was in the 997.2 turbo I drove
@@normsallitt2753bro i swear it’s “Porsches” and “Turbos” not with a ‘s” sick and tired of seeing people mixing up the 2 between apostrophes and plural.
That's not a cup holder James. It's the PBSS (Porsche Beverage Support System). 😁
Very good
Still laughing! Brilliant 😂
Two major problems exist - 1 U.K. roads are worse than ever 2 - Porsche’s are faster and heavier than ever ( meaning there’s now a lot more pot holes to hit )
Biggest problem is the pos eps.
doesn't matter how heavy they are those launch controls are the best in business
@@Krishnendu792 And how often do you use launch control in real life?
@@jasonkillsformomy its been not shit since 991.2 judging from everyone whos made a review
@@Krishnendu792 There's more to a car than acceleration from a stand still. I value good handling more than that and weight kills cornering.
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Hey James, I really appreciate you always putting in clips of nice cars randomly spotted on camera during your reviews! I've been noticing these for a long time but I think this is the most number of cars I saw in a single video. It's fun looking for them throughout any of your videos!
I was looking at one of these during covid but after careful consideration went for the 1999 Fiat Bravo with intermittent fuel pump issue!
Some people prefer the more characterful, “Living on the edge” ownership experience of an Italian Supercar like the Bravo. You are clearly one of them, and there is no right or wrong. Bravo!👏
I was going to book a holiday last month but bought a sandwich instead.
The 1999 is classic car with loads of issues I can understand why you’d opt for this over the Porsche.🫡
Banger.
I hope you get the dual meaning.
As per, great video, and an honest take on what's going on in the Porsche World. Sure beats some of the shyster channels out there!! 👍
Like who for instance?
I know one of em lol. Google >> "The Review Centre, bavariandominator UK"
@@philhenry8213 Like Odoman for instance!!! He has at least 12 different YT channels!!, maybe more, totalling over 9,000 uploaded videos!!!! if u a PCGB member you will know who I am referring too.. Make a google search of
"bavariandominator @ the Review Centre" then read the reviews.
Well well, interesting review and comments. From a previous owner of a 997 Turbo S and now a 2022 992 Turbo S, I disagree completely. There is no lag in my car, everything is perfect about it, I can't see the outer gauges unless I turn my head and I don't care about that, it was about the same in my 993 Carrera S I had for 13 years b4 the 997. The radio is hard to figure out but the looks of the car, the comfort (it's Camry comfortable on long trips), the speed (which I never use), I only use the car for day trips, to meet up with friends, running errands, going out to dinner, etc, it's a heavenly delight whenever I drive it. I bought it in the most boring color combo, GT Silver w/black interior and it flies under the radar. I'm 63 now and will never, ever sell it or upgrade, I love it that much. If I totaled it, I would run out and buy the same year, same car again.
The best thing about Porsche making a car this good? It encourages people to explore the older models even more. Good engineering, great performance and reliability improves the brand. That means people who have more modest means will explore older 911's of all types with more confidence and interest. And that is a good thing.
Just spotted your comment after making a kind of similar one myself....spot on👍
I think I'm a living example of this, I'm mostly a US and Japanese car fan, but the modern 911's have left a great impression on me and I've been looking into the older models a lot. I thought they were all extremely terrifying to own like old Ferraris, but it doesn't seem to be the case. I'd still have to drive one to know how I truly feel about it, rear engine still feels wrong to me lol.
also maybe the market will get crazy for old 911s and make them more expensive.
Love how everyone complains about the outer dials being obscured in the 992, then in the next breath reminisce about how the 964 or 993 were so amazing... 😂
Ha, yeah those interiors were curious. Switch placement got very mad as time went on
@@JayEmmOnCars some 'great' design decisions in my 964 Turbo that I can think of - circular/rotating door locking controls (not buttons), sunroof controls as a rocker switch on a horizontal panel under the clocks facing the floor, intermittent wiper delay as a random knob thrown in the middle of the dashboard, fog and driving lamp controls in the exact same form factor (and next to!) the cigarette lighter, tiny-weeny heater/AC controls yet a giant honking 'reset warning light' button down in the centre console.
I *still* wouldn't change a thing about it though :)
Okay... maybe the fuel economy....
.... and parts availability....
.... and price of spare parts....
I got a 992 and a 993 and in the 993 i can easily read all dials. Not in the 992.
@@000GunterGabriel000 I would certainly agree that compared to many modern cars the layout and clarity of the classic 5 gauge cluster in the 964/993 is absolutely superb. The switchgear and controls not so much, but the gauges themselves are excellent.
The outer dials on my 991.1 are obscured by the wheel too, but it doesn’t really bother me, I’ve had plenty of Alfas with far worse dash ergonomics, that you just get used to.
My prediction: No
Haha ye I literally said “No” out loud when reading the title
@@noahebner9087 That means the title's doing it's job, since it's there to promote engagement.
One correction I would like to make here is that the Turbo S has no turbo lag at all. It has variable-geometry turbos which allow it to change the air flow as needed to get rid of turbo lag. What it does have, however, is electronic throttle lag with the drive by wire system. When I got my Turbo S it annoyed the heel out of me so I got an off the shelf tune from M-Engineering for $2500 and that is now all gone, it should have come like that from the factory, throttle response is now very crisp and just slightly touching the throttle makes the car shoot off with no lag.
I agree with a lot of this but as a previous 911 owner which I used daily, was absolutely faultless and relatively cheap to run I find myself looking to buy the Turbo S rather than a Ferrari or Aston.
Only watched the first few minutes but it’s interesting to see the way Jayemm talks about the 992 generation whenever all the other reviews I’ve seen people seem to love the 992 generation
The regular people I know are 50/50 on it
Hard to believe UA-cam reviewers that love every car. I mean, that wouldn't have anything to do with the fact they get the cars from the manufacturer and need to maintain relationships so can't bash a car in their reviews... Compared to Jayemm who gets his cars from followers who and therefore has no allegiance to the manufacturer.
Jay just wants to be that other guy that has to go against the concensus. Trying to be unique
@@boostandflow4603 There are plenty of cars where I agree with "the consensus". I am just very confused that people get annoyed when my opinion differs to others - there are plenty of people out there who don't like the 992.
That’s why I appreciate Jayemm and Harry Metcalfe’s reviews. They don’t follow consensus and provide objective critiques. With those two, you never know what you’re gonna get.
I agree with your guy David. I have a 981 Bosxter GTS and that's peak (usable) Porsche for me. The 'big power' cars have to be going so fast to have fun that it's just insane. I put Pilot Sport All Seasons on it too. There's no down-side in real-world driving. The limits may be a little lower but that's more fun anyway and who needs Cup 2s on the street? I'll take the ability to drive the car in cold weather over a few tenths in some corner. You nailed it in your video 'Perfect modern Porsche'.
This car remains my lottery win and buy and must have a sunroof. Thanks for the video.
Joining the club.
I've been a 993 'caretaker' for about 17 years running, and as such what I lament the most about the recent and current generations of 911s is how much they've grown with each successive generation. I thought the 991 was as big as it should be, but Porsche obviously thought otherwise.
I used to daily drive a 981 Cayman S and regularly parked it next to a 997 at my local Sainsburys. I was always surprised how much bigger the Cayman looked - I just wonder if they're (un)subtly moving the 911 up into full super-GT territory, leaving the "baby" model as the real sports car. As a sports car, the 911 is too luxurious, too big and too fast, but as a GT it's just a bit of tyre noise insulation short of brilliance.
I also have a suspicion that the Coxster range went to a flat 4 because they realised the 992 doesn't sound great so they couldn't have the cheaper one sounding incredible. Lab emissions tests are a factor too but, from experience, the 3.4L engine is actually more economical than the 4-pots are - I used to regularly get 45mpg+ (47-48 driving carefully) on long runs...plus it sounds like a proper NA flat 6.
My Cayman 2.7 981 PDK is a fabulous car. I actually prefer it to my manual 997TT. Sound, handling, size, and lovely looks. Just about to put GTS rear lights on it to top it off.
They don't have a choice with safety regulations
It's objectively the best 911 ever. The question is if you want perfect, because many don't.
Hummm..... I enjoyed this review, immersive
Its so sterile and perfect and strict that you get bored after 5 minutes of just looking.
A buddy of mine has one of these, and while it is a bit quicker than my 991.2 GT3, it really is lacking the soul of the more manic cars from Porsche. One thing that always bugged me was the black plastic air intakes on the rear fenders that dates back to the 996 turbo. After all these years Porsche doesn’t have the engineering to integrate it into the fender like the way Ruf did it on cars like the RT12? Always looked cheap on turbos and GT3/2 RS’s
@@993mike Still nice though
@@skyhighdaylight that’s something someone who’s never driven one would say
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Blimmin lovely video. Recently moved into a cab version. Quite sublime. Thanks, Simon
11:39 exact same thing happened on my first drive of a 911 Turbo S here. I've driven fast AWD cars before but I have never felt the wheel fight my grip so intensely and unexpectedly, it's incredibly entertaining to feel that and shows you how much work has to be done to make sure the 650hp is properly deployed. The throttle calibration on this is a highlight too, you can definitely daily this in sport mode without making your passengers sick.
14:00 you're in the wrong gear, try it in 2nd
Excellent review!! REALLY surprised by the turbo lag on that car!!....it was on my bucket list 😏
Boy, I have to disagree about the cupholders. The previous generations of 911 had in-dash cup"holders" that worked better as cup ejectors. The new 911 is the first to have a cupholder that will securely hold a drink without fear of imminent disaster. I have a friend whose cupholder let the drink bounce and spill - and then it dripped directly in the HVAC fan control and gummed it up to the point that it had to be disassembled. This new design is a huge improvement!
Another thought - the complaint about engine response. Are you aware of the fact that the car has a "wet mode" for its settings? And that it can kick into that mode when the sensors detect that it's appropriate? And BTW, it was raining hard throughout your test drive? I think there's a strong chance the car kicked itself into wet mode to protect the driver and that's why you thought it seemed "laggy." On a dry road I have NO such issues with mine!
The old cupholders are the most divisive thing in Porsche fandom. I like the pop out guys, they never betrayed me.
The turbo lag is part of the car, I've driven them in the dry and they're the same
The in dash holders work very well, owned plenty with them and never had any incidents whatsoever.
Agreed. The pop out holders scared the crap out of you but never let you down. Unless you forgot to flip up the middle flap when they were out and full and the arm swung the first time you cornered. 😂
My problem with the 911 has always been the rear biased balance of the car. I much prefer the neutral handling characteristics of the Cayman, but I like the size and comfort features of the 911. The 997 generation was the last generation that you could really feel the rear biased weight distribution. Ever since then, Porsche has been dialing out the rear engine feel with the 991 generation and even more so with the 992 generation. I generally appreciate these handling advancements, but I don't like how refined the cars have become. They've lost the analog charm. I would love to see your comparison of the 991 and 992 generation Turbo S. I'm beginning to think the 991 generation might be the sweet spot for me.
Oh you can still feel the rear weight distribution….. just jump from any mid engined car and it will reset your sense or rear engined mass. I don’t disagree that the car is much less “rear engined” than before but it’s absolutely present. I feel a lot of people prefer the Cayman/Boxsters balance but that rear engine just gives so much darn traction out of corners
991.1 isn’t that great. The 991.2 is better but I don’t really care for the turbo of the 991 variety. I’ve yet to drive any 992’s. But to me, the sweet spot of the 991 range are the .2 Carrera and S. The engine is turbo but doesn’t feel like it, the chassis is MUCH better, the infotainment is of this century and the car just feels much more alive. And the T really turns that to 11.
The 997…yeah, it’s super rear biased. And the 997 Turbo…gets a bit spooky when the rear is loaded up. It does not handle bumps well mid corner. You can DEFINITELY feel that engine slung out over the rear. It definitely feels much more like an air cooled 911 than a water cooled.
@@jameswillard1 Absolutely. The benefits of rear engine are still there on the 992, but Porsche has been steadily engineering away the shortcomings of the rear engine layout.
You shouldn’t drive a vintage 911…
Well JayEmm, please pass out gratitude to David too. Thanks for another review, I really like your style of digging deeper on why a car exist rather than just that it's fast, especially these days with EVs around, everyone and their granny are very fast 🤣.
Having driven most, the 992 turbo S is wonderful. I'd have it over a recent drive in a GT4 RS...the turbo is just so useable. I think people that say they would have a GT4rs havent driven one, two hours in one would set the scene ;)
I got a free lap of a 992 Turbo S around PECLA a couple of years ago. I told him I had a GT4. The instructor said "my bosses won't like me saying this but I'd rather drive your car." That said, I met an owner of a 992 GT3 Touring... once he took it home couldn't stand it and traded it in for a 992 Turbo S
@@joe718gt4 yes. the GT cars require a large wallet, extreme dedication and a crash helmet to properly enjoy. the Turbo does not.
I've had a GT4, GT3 and (very briefly) a GT4RS. For a daily driver, which is what I really use the car for, my current 992.1 Turbo S is by far my favorite. I can still track or AX the Turbo S and have a great time. While the GT cars were better on track, they weren't that great on the street and the GT4RS was miserable. On balance, the Turbo S wins.
@dwightmoore3060 my GT4 is a weekend car. Even before I modified it I couldn't stand it as a daily, especially since I'm at the gym a lot. Not the best car to drive tired. Or sick
Totally different type of car - also I would take the 4RS everyday of the week 😀
The Turbo S was specifically developed by Porsche for dentists, consultant surgeons and sociopaths in there early 60's. Clinical, emotionless and adroit some say. It is bought mostly in Silver or black. It's a very very very good car and that's why they have bought every iteration.
This is a true fact.
Finally someone who calls the 911 for what it is, a Sports Car.
As he say he needs to be critical, less than 1% will ever be able to appreciate everything the car has to offer. A 911 will always be a dream for many of us. Even if the experts find things they don't like about it.
Lag in throttle respons is no go for me. Even though I love Porsches. I would pick another model
Dreams can come true.
@welkekutnaamdanwel LOL, in other words you have no idea what this 911 offers
Reading this comment before taking the car out for a drive
A car that will destroy pretty much anything over a standing quarter isn’t “laggy”……
Given the state of UK roads I think the Dakar makes more sense ….
I have a 991 turbo s. I’ve owned it since early 2018 and I love it. Would love to see you drive one of that generation and review it.
Great review, thanks. I find some of your observations interesting. I owned a 997.2 Turbo S for a number of years, and I agree with a lot of your comments in that video. I feel like in this video you are looking at the older cars with some slightly rose colored glasses. The newer turbo engine can’t be nearly as laggy as the first generation 3.8 DFI Turbo engine exhibits, variable turbos be dammed. And the first gen PDK in that car really only feels remotely like a PDK in Sport Plus. And that car’s ride was absolutely BRUTAL. It was a charming, quirky thing, though. To me, the sweet spot IS, as you said, a 997.1 Turbo manual. You just need to upgrade the infotainment and switch out the silver switches for black. Sure, it isn’t as fast ast the 3.8 is full stop, but it’s got more character and is quite fast enough.
Braun Shaver gear shifter knob..,,,.
I can’t unsee that now 😂😂😂😂
He didn’t make that up, journalists have been saying it for years. Nothing new.
If nothing else, the car looks stunning. Especially with the spoiler fitted.
I think this is probably the quickest accelerating car on the channel to date.
Love the fly-by shot of the VHS, Jay. Nice touch.
Two weeks later I came back and it was still there!
It’s a pity manufacturers think sport or sporty means a hard ride, uncomfortable, we don’t want that going along a straight public road with corners, 99% don’t do track days, what happened to rising rate springs or equivalent in computer suspension so comfortable until you leane on it at over a certain speed.
Turbo S is not for u
Thanks Griffins appreciate the explanation
After my 981 BS this is my next car. Simply superb.
The 911 Turbo S was one of the fastest accelerating cars ever tested on CarWow, easily out accelerating McLarens with WAY more power due to its very decent power but also its staggeringly good traction! I`d LOVE one of these, they have to be one of the fastest point to point cars on sale today. One of these would annihilate any Ferrari on sale (especially with a very well priced chip change) with its staggering grip, incredible suspension, superb brakes and small packaging! A far more sensible proposition on UKs terrible, damp, slippery roads.
*easily out accelerating McLaren’s up till about 80-100MPH then this car has gotten stomped pretty good by 720/765 as well as the Ferrari’s (296/SF90) you claim it can “easily outperform”
@@jameswillard1they get the same 1/4 mile times
@@Anon.G on CarWow they might have gotten the same ET but (for example) a 296GTB has consistently recorded a 9.6 and 9.7 at 150MPH in the 1/4 mile by Road & Track, Car & Driver, and Motor Trend. A 992 Turbo S is usually a 10.1 car, but way more important than ET is the trap speed and there the Ferrari is spanking the 911 Turbo S’s little behind, 12MPH in the 1/4 mile is bus lengths and that’s why it loses its edge and gets dropped so bad in the roll races compared to the faster Mclarens and Ferraris
@@jameswillard1 I don’t know what Carwow is. Trap speed is way less important.
@@Anon.G well then I’d love to know where you’re finding stock Turbo S’s running mid 9’s……or just as fast as the other cars mentioned? Trap speed is an indicator of how much HP and how hard the car is accelerating at end of 1/4 mile is actually very important but ok 👌
Another nice review. 👍 As a serial Porsche fan I’m not really in love with the 992 generation, but could see how this model would work.
I've been waiting ages for JayEmm's opinion on the 992 Turbo S. I'm surprised he loves it as much as he did. I agree, out of all the 992's, the Turbo S shines the most. While the GT3/RS are now more nimble than ever, they've sacrificed comfort and they look outrageous (the RS). The ST/SC are just unobtanium. The 992 Turbo is the biggest improvement from a previous gen, with little to no drawbacks.
Re the turbo lag, Ithink I read somewhere that Porsche have deliberately engineered out the lag from the (now turbocharged) Carrera models to try and make them feel more N.A., but at the same time engineered *in* a bit of lag to the Turbo to emphasise its Turbo-ness (I think that's a word, right).
PS, just spotted that VHS falling over clip :D
PPS, the colour of that Bentley at 22:28 - wow!
To many. It’s the finest car. We don’t all want raw GT racers. The Turbo and S just look drive so so well. Sadly the base 911s also exciting.
It's potentially brilliant, for me a used C2S is about the top of my potential price range and my issue is that it's neither raw nor refined enough for me to justify. Older ones were sports cars, not like a Lotus but it was all about the driving experience. The 992 (and even 991) have moved fully into GT (meaning gran tourer, not Porsche GT) territory with all the luxury and size, yet the refinement, meaning tyre noise, is still not good enough for that job.
I wonder if the next gen will go fully into GT land, solve that and be more of an Aston competitor, or if they'll hold off making it any bigger and aim for the sports car market fully again, considering the Coxster is going EV?
Enjoyed the review JayEmm, the 911 Turbo S is my dream car (M3 G80 owner...which is brilliant) , for me living in the north of gods country its the everyday super car.
Having owned a 1979 930 for 32 years and driven many I believe the most fun engaging 911 was the late 80s 911. For more power the 993 is great and still mostly analog. My Turbo of course had massive lag, so for a day in the twisties normally aspirated is the way to go. Light, nimble and svelte. You do not need mega power to have mega fun in an analog car, even better to me. Computers need not apply.
My favourite was the late 70’s early 80’s Whale Tail 911 in White with Martini livery.
“Computers need not apply” I like that, going to have to use it!
A pity almost every U.K. road test the last year, it’s always raining or very wet, a shame.
I wonder if you can get a drive in the standard Turbo? Although lower in power and overall torque, the torque curve figures I have seen suggest that may have less lag.
I think that Porsche is facing the same issue that the GT-R is: it was a great choice when it first came out but now it's evolved too little and it costs too much, therefore facing far more competition. It may drive brilliantly, of which I'm certain, but it'll never match a Ferrari in desirability, even though it may soon do so in price.
Oh, and excellent video, as always. Thank you for all your work.
Don’t let a review fool you, the 992 Turbo S is a very evolved 911 driving experience and is absolutely still the benchmark. None of the other cars mentioned have a similar blend of sheer performance, versatility, and reliability. If you drove it hard yourself, you’d be blown away.
Perfect video for what I'm in a quandary over!
I've always wanted to pickup a sportscar at a European factory and tour Europe. I'm in America.
Background: I've had a few sportscars since high-school and liter sportsbikes continuously since college. Finding sports bikes infinitely more fun than affordable sportscars, I've enjoyed an unbelievably reliable BMW E39 for 400,000 miles while I waited for a business endeavor to payoff.
So, as i configured online every conceivable of every possible consideration, I concluded that the best one is from Japan, the LC 500! LOL
Sticking to European, I'm incredibly conflicted.
I've watched all the youboob channels, but find yours most helpful! love your work; your analyses are superior to all.
I'm planning to bring it, whatever it shall be, back via ship from Southhampton to New York. Would love to visit you before returning and maybe we can do a video regarding my choice and what the thousands of miles were like!
I have owned a 997 turbo and a 991 turbo s.
I miss the 997. The 991, less so.
The 997 was a manual. That is the primary reason.
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I still use my 997.1tt as my daily driver and absolutely love it. It is so fun to drive and very reliable.
In the owner of this car and I think James is spot on with his review - both the pros and cons. For me, right now, where I live, it is the perfect everyday car. However I do miss the sound and tactility of my manual GT3. No regrets though - the Turbo is a better all round practical any weather beast
Embrace the lag, love the anticipation of whats to come💯
the lowered compression ratio won't be all that's causing the lag, my 1.6 DS3 has an 11:1 compression ratio but still has a bit of lag with a much smaller turbo.
TTS is the most dependable daily driver supercar made and the best choice. The Roma is in the shop alot. Same for Huracan. Aston Martin depreciation is very bad. I'll stick with TTS.
This is quite interesting, I remember watching your GR 86 review (I am biased because that's my favorite car ever), that's how I came to your channel.
And I remember you said the 86 was smaller and therefore more enjoyable than many other cars that were way more expensive, and in this review the owner stopped driving the GT3 in favor of a Boxster, so I have to wonder now, have we been lied to by car makers and the internet? I love 911 as much as the next person, but are special things like the GT3 truly the ultimate? Or is a more normal car that makes every journey and every mile a happy moment actually the ultimate sports car?
In anyway, I still think Porsche has gone nuts (And become too arrogant) for rising the prices for their line up by THAT MUCH.
In some devastatingly quick cars, turbo lag kind of becomes their charm. Learning how to time that lag becomes an enjoyable learning curve. Considering “Turbo” is its name.
It’s almost a throwback to high hp turbo cars. Creates a different driving experience to its competitors.
I read somewhere that when the Carrera models were first turbocharged, Porsche designed them to have as little turbo lag as possible. The Turbo was deliberately designed to have some lag to make them more in the character of the 911 Turbo of old. Maybe this is why the 992 Turbo has lag?
This is the car review that made me realise the future of my car ownership now lies in the past... I love a new car, but from now on it'll be second-hand cars all the way...."911 sir? Certainly we recommend the 1982/83 model year....Aston Martin? Well that'll be the 2014 DB9...
Idk why but Turbo always been my favourite in 911 lineups despite being called vacuum cleaner. There are still a lot of great aftermarket exhaust options anw
Wouldn’t bother with a different exhaust though. Being a little muted is a defining trait of the Turbo IMO
@@TheMusicFan1297 I agree. Just want to point out that it is possible to have louder sound on 911 Turbos
@@imman7140 yes I agree
The trouble is if you modify the exhaust you lose the UK Porsche warranty.
992 Turbo S owner here, JayEmm. I have to agree, the Turbo and Turbo S are the best looking models in the 992 lineup. However the base 992, S, and GT3 touring look better until the spoiler deploys. Then the styling goes to hell with the accordion pleated ox team yoke on full display. I had the 992 911 S for a year and a half, I know.
Being the proud? driver of a 1997 mitsubishi delica, I reckon this porsche would be exiting enough, and through my tears of joy for getting a drive, I would be very happy indeed. Thanks .
A mate of mine has a 1990 Merc 420SE, W126. The colour combination inside that car isnt far off the interior combo of this. Timeless and beautiful.
22:22 despite the criticism being reasonable, cars, even the cheap ones, always have a big price tag so we usually notice inflation on their prices quite a bit more. The price leap you described is basically the 15% inflation of the last years. We should always have in mind that BMW has consistently lowered the 5 series price and even more if you account for what you get since it was introduced and that it wasn't Dacia's plan to almost double the sandero price, its always policy makers screwing everything up! I refer to the video where you spoke about this almost weekly!
I’ve come from a 991.2 Turbo S to a 992 Turbo S and I value that firmer handling and the exhaust. The car drives night and day compared to a 991 for me and it’s the missing piece I was looking for. The 991 for me had equal turbo lag. I had my 991.2 turbo S tuned and my 992 stock feels quicker off the line. Of course I’m biased towards Porsche having had a few but I don’t think I’d be selling my 992 anytime soon. Interesting, had a 992 GTS RWD for a bit and it was frustratingly firm. Felt stiffer than a 991.2 GT3! Made me value the comfort of the turbo S over a GTS. For me they found the right balance.
The 991.2 is easily corrected with some proper suspension pieces and a Kline exhaust. I know the 992 has differences that some will like and some will not. For me, 991.2 is peak Porsche. I do not want digital dash etc.
Who did the PPF on that? Could have done a better job... Oh, nice review btw!
You're face said "f##k" when you tested the traction? Great review. Have subbed.
I recently drove the previous version of the turbo s and remember thinking, wow, this thing has no turbo lag. Why would they mess with that on the new version?
I think Jay’s opinion is colored by the fact that he normally drives Ferraris. Porsches are awesome driving machines but they totally lack in the drama department. I remember Shmee driving a Porsche over 200 mph on the autobahn and going “meh, too clinical and effortless “.
He’s complaining about turbo lag at 2 thousand rpm. If you want to go fast you won’t be at 2k rpm
Great video. In truth, they all are. That shot of the VHS falling over just before the car whooshes by... That's worthy of Hitchcock, Fellini, or Kubrick. A beautiful detail, unnecessary, yet essential, and indicative of a man who wants his film to be the best it can be. If the BBC are still wanting to save Top Gear, they could hire the next Clarkson and the next Wilman on one dotted line.
Ha, very kind
I have the 992S 911 getting 992 GTS in October. Upgrade time my 6th Porsche
4:55 Did Porsche really get their red and black curves the wrong way round? Something else new for the 992.
Would strongly recommend the Cayman 4.0 as pretty much the closest modern alternative to the GT3, by no means it s the 911 Turbo and it s never been that, so shame on the salesmen trying to market it as such even though I doubt that anyone really believed in that statement.
I once sat in a Porsche Turbo as a kid, must have been about 1975. All I remember was that it was silver with a huge rear airfoil and it was the most uncomfortable car I had ever experienced. Strange how that memory has stuck with me over the decades. Closest I've ever been to a Porsche.
What makes me sad is how at this time of year you really get to notice how many trees are being suffocated by ivy. We really should do something about it. (There's tons of them in this video) Love the Turbo S though.
Just absolutely love your videos 👍
Actual porsche enthusiasts like turbo lag for the same reasons we love manual transmissions, take these away, and it's not really a turbo anymore, is it?!
Yeah I don't buy that.
Funny because as a top gear worshiper that you are you seem to be ok with the arguments there made that Lamborghini lunacy is a feature not a defect. As a porsche turbo owner for the past few years I argue that turbo lag will always be more exciting than no turbo lag as part of the 911 turbo mystique.
@@Millsprinkles569 I'm not sure why you think I agree with the sentiment "supercars should be scary" because I don't - and I've been critical of a few Lamborghinis in the past for just being unruly (Gallardo 5.0 in particular).
Traded my GT3 for a Turbo! Different cars for sure; however, for US roads/highways with speed limits, it’s the much better car! I don’t really miss the NA sound of the GT3! A high flow aftermarket exhaust fixed that concern. For US driving, torque wins. The ultimate/Grail 911 for me is the limited edition/special 992.1 S/T! Better yet, make mine with a big wing like on the GT2RS! YMMV
I dont think its turbo lag, this is a calibration "issue". Transients are terrible from an emission perspective which is why they need to ramp up combustion slowly (see more or less all VAG products after dieselgate, especially the diesels).
Another good review. Clinical, fast and well made, always the group test winner. At the risk of upsetting VW fans, I would never want one, too dull looking and feeling for me.
Not having the car in the proper gear and RPM when putting your foot in the gas can make a driver think turbo lag is a problem. Not doing so, creates a “slingshot” sensation. “Hold on, honey.”
Anyone fading the 992 turbo s has to have their head checked. Using terms like "efficient" not "exciting" when refering to the shifting is ridiculous. Whats an exciting shift? A jerky aventador that gives you whiplash?
Great review Jay but please sort that Barnet out for the next video mate!
Never! I am a fashion pioneer
What a beautiful spec
I'm hoping this is going to be one of those occasions where James gives us an honest, critical review of a Porsche, as opposed to regular car 'journalists' giving fawning praise in order to keep a good relationship with Porsche.
Any "journalist" who doesn't complain about the pos eps in cars these days is a shill!
I think they're just that good tbh.
Not a chance.
@@jasonkillsformomy Well, you're wrong.
@@julianevans9548 Nope.
Great video.
I love turbo lag 😊
💯 it truly is lame that Porsche is playing the Rolex game in terms of allocation and availability of their cars, at least in the USA
That bit about the cupholders in old 911s I don't understand. How can they be a work of art if they do not exist? My 993 didn't have it, and I doubt any of the ones before mine did either. Or is your definition of classic 911 a 997 or 991?
The big disappointment for me is the VW insistence that the cruise control be relegated to a stick, subordinate to "the phone" and "the volume". To me that's just stupid. An automobile is about motion, cruise control affects motion. I'm not buying any car that does not put its cruise control on the steering wheel. If it's rally, Nascar, F1, or whatever there will be no cruise control at all.
The best thing about the million different 911’s that have graced our roads is that the best one, is the one in your garage.
992 generation is already half a decade old; time certainly flies. Wonder how long it'll be before a GT2 announcement followed by the next-gen 911 leaks and eventual launch.
992.2 refresh will likely start rolling out before the end of 2024. I worry about the added complexity of the hydridization planned and its impact on reliability, durability and cost of both purchase and maintenance. Speculations about the 994 are that there may be a reduction in the size of the car and targeted release date is 2028.
I've been privileged to drive the first 3 incarnations of and turbos---993 -997-- thanks to a generous former employer 😊 all 3 were incredible things and whilst I didn't consider at the time they were reasonably small in width terms compared to this 992---if money was no object though it would still be the 997 gt3 rs 4.0😊----great video as always jay 👍.
I love those wheels.
What’s the video cassette about at 20:11 😂?
Sold 992 ts for 992 gt3 - could not be happier - for me 911 is THE best car in the world
Great overview as usual BUT discussing 992 turboS suspension and it’s ride quality would have liked you to compare with say the 12C McLaren or the 650S with that interlinked hydraulic suspension….?
I drove this car for an extended period. Its too good for its own sake. Its so good, its boring to drive on the road, its far too quick, far too composed, to get any emotion out of it, you need to be driving it too quickly and aggressively, and it gets you into trouble pretty quickly. But its sure as hell quick to get you out of trouble as well, it brakes too well. Its a damn great car. But not worth it.
That’s what someone who can’t have one in the garage would say, lol. When you don’t have to hand back the keys, all of those things make it awesome. It’s satisfying to know I can deploy a massively brutal yet precise Mr. Hyde at any moment, even though I’m in totally comfy Dr. Jekyll mode.
@@KandiMan Mate I owned one LOL.
The only modern 911 Turbo I would buy is the Turbo Cabriolet. The rear spoiler makes the 911 Cabriolet look less stupid.
In Coupe form the 4 GTS Manual and S/T appeal much more to me!
13:44 I mean sure I get the criticism, but why would you specifically force the car into 2500rpm in 3rd gear at 35mph in manual? Just to isolate the issue of turbo lag as much as possible?
In real world if you are either relaxed cruising in automatic and when you put your foot down PDK will downshift in fraction of a second into much higher rpm where there is no lag or you are tryharding with the car in manual and it's your job to keep the revs high so there is no lag...
I always agree with you in your reviews, but this one feels a bit biased not gonna lie. Sure Ferrari has been know for their great turbo engines having almost no lag, but trying to catch 911 Turbo S of guard by putting it through worst possible scenario feels like you are really forcing the issue.
It's like trying to overtake someone on highway in 6th gear and not downshifting wondering why is your overtaking so slow... don't take it as some sort of hate, but I genuinely don't understand why would you not drop down to 2nd or 1st gear there to avoid the lag. Could you explain? My overall car knowledge is less than yours for sure, but everyone I heard or talked to tells me that 992 Turbo S could be the best all around car in history, including both owners and journalists. If you have to live with one car this is it.
I don't feel like the middle of the torque band is "worst case scenario" - it's not like I was at 1300rpm in sixth
@@JayEmmOnCars Sure I overexaggerated with “worst case scenario” I agree, but still top of the 3rd gear is around 90mph and with turbocharged car which has 7000rpm redline it is weird to show only and criticize lag at 2500rpm. You seem to not try same test in higher revs, ar least not on video.
Porsche themself said they designed the car to be relaxed in low rpms for everyday usability and when you want business you got to keep revs high. It also prolongs lifespan of those turbochargers to not be on boost 24/7 compare to previous 991 where you had to replace them pretty often.
Fair enough Jay, thank you for your time reading and replying to my long ass comment. Hope your channel keeps doing well mate.
@@anmu9038 Plenty of other companies built turbo engines that were plenty responsive at that RPM - including Porsche themselves. This was not such an issue with their older cars, even the regular 992 Carrera has a more responsive engine. The Ferrari's is in a different league. I believe it to be entirely emissions related. Audi have had the exact same problem - lag exists now where it did not before
@@JayEmmOnCars Ever since base Carreras are not N/A Porsche said they are trying to make them feel like old N/A engines despite being turbocharged, while with Tubros it was always about performance first and never really cared about lag so much. Old 964, 993 and 996 all had very noticesble turbo lag.
Anyway thanks for civilized discussion Jay, keep up the good work. I like your critical point of view compare to other journalists, that’s why you are one of my go to reviewers, but I guess it’s impossible to agree on everything. Have a wonderful day.
Enjoying the content on the channel 👍👍👍