Well that proves that the gun man was still alive and walking around. It collaborates with the note that police were talking with someone inside of the house. They were unarmed and so they waited for armed police to handle it. It proves that the gun man ( my crazy daughter has my gun, first police log ), was still alive. She also could have taken the silencer off and threw it somewhere, in order to shoot herself. The cousins found it then stuck it in the gun cabinet that reportedly had nothing in it prior!
@@bonnielee7134 grounds for a new trial, at the very least !!! and if I were on the jury - with all the conflicting evidence - there's as much doubt as there is proof. release him and give him back his rightful inheritance..!!!
@bonnielee7134 How does that prove anything? The only person that supposedly talked to the dad was his son. Nobody else talked to anyone in the house because they were already dead. And the only person who’d need a silencer is someone trying to get away with shooting people, but everyone is trying to portray her as a crazy person who just snapped, so which is it? Oh, I know. Neither. She was nothing but a convenient scapegoat.
Just the telephone call alone by the father to the police … should exonerate him surely .. the father said ‘ she’s ‘ got the gun and is going berserk …. And Relative’s find a silencer a few days after , after the police had already covered that area … and they certainly benefited … they got the house and farm out of it …. NOT GUILTY …
IKR 😞 they constantly rush to judgment, completely ignore evidence, completely miss important evidence and in some cases, out right lie! From the beginning of this video before I ever knew his conviction was in doubt I thought to myself “if this is the evidence they are putting forward I don’t see it at all!” What little evidence actually exists in this case due to the bumbling keystone cops supports the conclusion that the poor mentally ill young woman killed her family! In short, once again they have framed and convicted an innocent man!!!!! I would say “unbelievable” but it’s totally believable that the cops are idiots!!
That's nonsense. The house was cleaned by investigators. They didn't manufacturer the screen of the crime because they weren't there and they didn't manufacturer high vlosity blood splatter. They also didn't put the gun in the girls hand but someone did. Jeremy was the only one there at the time.
@@PiratesRock-dm8mt I think you are wrong. The truth always comes out in the end. The family "found" the evidence that the police missed. That's because they planted the evidence.
Nonsense, he put the gun on the table or so he says. She didn't shoot herself or the gun wouldn't have been found in her hand. That's not how self inflicted gunshots work. That gun was placed there. By the other person there. By the same person who said they had the gun earler. Jeremy. He admitted to being there. He was with his father that morning. He ate at the family home. He said he put the gun on the table. The silencer had her blood on it but was in the cabinet. She couldn't have shot herself and then put the silencer away. The gun wouldn't have been in her hand either. He told on himself.
The family members found the silencer???? seriously???? that silencer could have come from anywhere... it should never have been allowed into evidence... his defense team were idiots...guess who inherited the family property .... the very family members who reported finding the silencer!!😄😄I sincerely hope he receives justice before he dies...
So do I. It's more than obvious that the family and his ex girlfriend lied. That wss proven when she lied trying to get a former lover blamed for the murder, yet they still allowed her testimony. She's nothing but a vidictive bitch who will lie about anyone to get her 15 minutes of fame.
I actually find that weird 😂. Police here in the US will focus the attention on the person who “found the silencer” Also, it will be difficult to convict the defendant due to a family member “finding the silencer.” Why family members are allowed inside the crime scene 😂?
Exactly! The cops, FIRST, reported nothing in the gun cupboard, then the cousins found something in the gun cupboard. That, alone, shows that the cousin ADDED something to the cupboard!
I watch so many true crime stories and this one is the worst i ever seen. The prosecutor stands by his word cuz he dont want to admit defeat and his family that inherited the farm believes hes guilty too cuz they dont want to lose their inheritance if thats possible. The police calls that were made alone should be enough to free him. Shame on them all. I hope oneday he gets out and the garbage that didnt stand by him get what they deserve. Good luck to you, dont give up keep fighting and praying. God bless❤
In the eyes of the law they aren't your biological children and in a criminal case facts matter. They referred to both of them that way. It's facts. Not feelings.
It's hard to imagine a woman so intent on vengeance that she accuses someone of murder and puts him away for the rest of his life. Yet, it appears she did. The hitman theory doesn't hold water
What he needs to do is contact Innocence International. If anyone can help it's them. The other family members obviously wanted that farm to make up the lies they told. The fact that the prosecution held back important information from the defense proves he's not guilty. It also shows how corrupt the system is to deny his appeals when information was not provided to the defense that should have been. It's a crock of shit. He is Not guilty of anything. This always happens when major money is involved.
This was horrible police work, the crime scene was not closed off at all, possible evidence destroyed ( r u serious??, what is this nonsense) 4 hours for back up????? Shoddy police work and injustice to the son how horrifying
With Jeremy and His sister out of the way who is next to inherit the family fortune, they lived close and entered the house only to find the one thing to spred suspition on the last obstical.
It is so clear that Jeremy did not do it!! Evidence was taken away, evidence was planted, his ex gf was mad because he had broken up with her, the list goes on! And for that idiot policeman to say they have the right man behind bars makes me sick!
Not sure who killed them, but I've always thought Jeremy didn't do it either. His rejected ex girlfriend was the star witness??! RIDICULOUS that her testimony could have been relied on to get a conviction ...
@killjoy3000 did you watch this video? The phone calls alone are enough to have had his convection thrown out. At the end of the day, there is enough reasonable doubt in his case that he should have never gone to trial in the first place. But let's say all the things that were discussed in this video was found after his convection. His first appeal should have been granted. Did he do it? I don't know. All the things mentioned in this video would have kept me from voting guilty. There is plenty of room for doubt in this case.
Imagine sentencing a man to a minimum sentence of 25 yrs on the evidence of a scorned lover AND family who had much to gain upon inheriting the farm. No forensic evidence proved that Jeremy had any role in the crime. Police stuffed up and Jeremy took the fall.
still can't figure this out. if it was indeed the father that phoned first stating that his daughter are going bezerk then why did the grandmother not take the 2 kids at that moment & escape at LEAST or locked themselfs in a room to HIDE. no evidence of any locked room.....kids in their bedroom sleeping with unlocked door...... after earlier that day the parents being concerned about their daughter 's mental state of health, her returning from a mental institution.....not thinking to put the gun out of her reach.....
yes they did. and the oh-so-knowledgable cousin who brought the silencer to the cops moved into the house. could I move into a house where 2 children and 3 adults had been murdered..? people that I knew..? in fact, family members..? no l could not. but a person with no feelings could. and what sort of person has no feelings..? why a psychopath, of course.
The most fucked up part to me is, even if the silencer, the scratch, and everything else were true none of that means he did it. Could have been another family member, a drifter, or the sister could have used the silencer on everyone else, taken it off and put it away, then killed herself. Dude is in prison for life when there is less than zero evidence that point to him.
If there's proof Neville called the police and said it was his daughter with the gun, why is there any doubt that she did it? What a travesty of justice that Jeremy is in jail and how could the police be this incompetent?!
That was my reaction also...but what if it was actually Jeremy who made that call? Then left and returned? There's a lot of other stuff that doesn't make sense otherwise...Like why wasn't anyone in a panic position or trying to flee? Wouldn't Neville have tried to protect the kids?
This has been a twisted case from the start. Didn’t sit well with me that the family were quick to money grab and blame him. They were never happy he would inherit family farm being adopted
so, mass amounts of evidence destroyed but they want to try and pin it on the son. LOL nah. theyre just trying to make themselves look good after making a huge mistake. so what if an innocent guy goes to jail!
I listen a lot to these types of cases. It is quite frightening that evidence is not put forwards and evidence is destroyed. A persons life is in their hands and it seems that they just want to find a person to convict and they go home and do their life. Very scary
So sad for the son if hes been set up. The investigation shouldve been thorough & preserved. Looks like as soon as that silencer was announced that alot of things were determined & permanately. I watched this entire case again just to see nothing has changed about his conviction. Only seeing that his family could've easily set him up & his jilted lover must be happy that shes put her 2 cents on it. Id go w the facts only not heresay & not evidence that was found later by ppl that could gain from setting up the son. A disaster of investigation. Why does it take police 4 hrs to come? Why destroy evidence? Id demand a retrial? Wth? Smdh!!!
That does not make sense. The majority of suicides occur quickly following the murder. Also, while a silencer reduces noise, it does not eliminate the sound of gunshots.
No, she didn't kill herself. The gun was in her hand because it had been placed there. Anyone who knows about gun crimes and suicides knows the gun doesn't stay in your hand like that after a self inflicted gunshots. The scene was staged and he was the only one there also he had been "warned" yet he put a loaded gun on the kitchen table by his own admission. Complete nonsense. He's guilty.
It had her blood on it. If she put it away before she shot herself it wouldn't have HER blood in it. Her blood got in it because she was shot with it and then it was put away this proving he shot her.
It’s an interesting point that should have been brought up in court. And there is absolutely no way that silencer should have been allowed into evidence anyway it was so completely compromised.
There's a huge difference between INNOCENT and NOT GUILTY! IF Sheila & Jeremy were the ONLY ones to inherit and Sheila is dead, then WHY in the world were the other family members swop onto the scene to SECURE the house? For WHO??? Not to mention, around the suspected time of the crime, THEY were the closest PEOPLE around and they were the ones who conveniently "found" incriminating evidence. The other important problem, is the girlfriend NEVER discounted Jeremy's alibi UNTIL she thought she was being jilted!!! Hell hath no furry like a woman scorned!!! And lastly, but more importantly, the police HAD to make Jeremy look THE WORST in order to distance themselves from COMPLETELY SCREWING UP THE EVIDENCE with the way they BOTCHED THE ENTIRE CRIME SCENE!! In my opinion, I'm not saying, Jeremy is innocent, but how this case was handled...is and of itself is MORE than enough REASONABLE DOUBT for a "NOT GUILTY".
If she was found/seen in the kitchen, surely her blood wdl be there & if she went upstairs while police were there, bloodtrail wdl be visible as it was documented that she was actively bleeding when found upstairs
How does a family member turn in a silencer they removed from the scene and turn in days later and that be admissible. There is so much doubt in this case. Someone got paid off in the police force by the cousins. Nothing else makes sense.
If no names of people or places were given or a time frame, I'd swear that this took place in some 3rd world, corrupt country in 1885 rather than the UK in 1985. Incredible.
Wow. This prosecution would be in trouble here, for withholding evidence...the second call from the father. I don't know UK law, but here he would get a new trial, and if he won because of a bad prosecutor he would get a payout.
If she was running around with a rifle why was he sitting in the kitchen instead of hiding or fighting or grabbing another rifle? The leaving the gun on the table story makes no sense..guilty
My money's on the extended family. The lady that found the silencer perhaps. Who was going to get the most, and sounds a bit corrupt with the police......almost seems like the perfect cover up.
I'm not sure who killed the family, but I've always thought that Jeremy didn't do it either. I honestly hope that Jeremy gets a new trial and gets his life back on track. I honestly think it shouldn't have taken the police 4 hours to arrive after the first initial call.
So the "extended family " who would inherit everything gave the police evidence THEY. "discovered " not the police found on their own. That poor guy Jeremy!
20 minutes in and I’m stunned at the complete incompetence of the investigation. How did this even go to trial?? There is no way that evidence was not compromised, the family members are completely suspect, and it’s clear the girlfriend was not being truthful and was clearly enjoying her fame. There was absolutely no chain of custody for the silencer that the family had for TWO DAYS before turning it in. How many people handled it? The evidence is so weak, the police should be ashamed at their actions and their incompetence. There is absolutely no way this would be brought to trial today! It would be laughed out of court and the officers fired. This is beyond a joke. Ok, I’ve finished. This new evidence on its own should mean a new trial immediately. That silencer wouldn’t even be allowed in court today. (And who says Shiela didn’t take the silencer off herself? Although I don’t believe one was used!) The sheer incompetence and weak evidence of this case are stunning. The fact that the courts are allowing this to continue when the trial itself was completely corrupt is disturbing. The family members are completely suspect. They said Jeremy killed for the inheritance but the family members had just as much motive. And they profited heavily from their ‘found’ evidence. That is completely suspect. The fact that the police allowed them to search the house, the fact that they ‘found’ the silencer and kept it for two days. The fact that the ‘blood’ on the silencer could have come from one of the extended family members is a huge red flag but the police dropped the ball. He should be released pending a new trial. That police officer should be ashamed to look in the mirror. His colleagues who also investigated should be ashamed to look in the mirror. They bungled the investigation, lied, destroyed evidence, relied on unreliable witnesses, comprised the crime scene, and ignored evidence. He’s trying so hard to convince us and himself that he’s right but you can see he’s uncomfortable and knows he’s wrong. He needs to be a man and do the right thing. All investigating officers were completely incompetent and should have to answer for how badly they screwed up the investigation. How do they live with themselves and go home to their families knowing they railroaded someone, they messed up their jobs and someone has been in jail for years because of what they did. They played with someone’s life. Sickening. The corruption of this world terrifies me. Police, courts, people. Somewhere integrity, justice and accountability have fallen to the wayside.
I would like to know when did the courts start denying evidence in a case? That is deliberately within evidence that can clear a person who charged in a case. When did the court judge allow DA's start lying in court? Also the DA's, Lawyers, and cops who are corrupt and tamper with evidence, should be charged and removed immediately from their duties. So suspension, FIRED!!! Why don't we have a system where the judge listening to all tape recordings involved in the case from the attorneys' and District Attorney's before any trials begin. Today, there is too much corruption in our legal system, world wide. Accountability of honor, honesty and fairness must be a requirement.
Or terribly troubled by mental illness, not their fault. God have mercy on the liars who have profited for the moment. Praying for new justice to come for Jeremy and that he will be free to live the rest of his life and mourn the death of his family properly.🕊️✝️😥🙏
In my opinion, number one, why did it take hours for the police to arrive when what was reported to them was a potential murder? Number two, why did they change their reports completely? The reports were completely opposite from each other. This one I can answer, they had no one to blame but a dead mentally ill woman. They can't get their 15 minutes of fame now can they? It's no secret that those that supposedly solve the crimes that get the most media coverage, gets promoted. It's no secret that those cops that get the most media get promoted with the DA gets re-elected or places like Innocence Project and Innocence International wouldn't exist. These organizations exist for a damn good reason. With advances in technology many have been exonerated. Without these.fantastic organizations such miscarriages of justice would never have been possible. It's no secret worldwide that many so called police have done everything they could to take an innocent people have spent over 30+ years in jail for crimes they didn't commit. Then there's the overly aggressive DA who will withhold evidence not only from the jury but more importantly from the defense. Which means that the whole judicial system is corrupt right from the police who investigate the crimes right up to the judge. Everyone knows that makes decisions that 90% of the time goes against the defense. As far as I'm concerned there is no way for anyone to get a fair trial anywhere in any country. Btw was this so called human blood ever tested for the DNA? I rest my case. Any and all of this would be grounds for a not guilty verdict in my opinion.
that phone call from the father to police cinches the deal..!!! HE said it was the daughter..!!! I'm also suspicious of that cousin who 'found' the silencer. exactly how much did SHE stand to gain with the son's conviction..? however, I do think the son was overdoing it at the funeral. maybe he sensed that he was the prime suspect... and by the way - the puffed-up cop who comments in the video, of course won't even entertain the idea that the police got it wrong. BUT. he also goes on about the son being the only one with a motive. and THAT simply isn't true. look who DID inherit..!!! and of course, there's the daughter. one more thing - the grey hair found on the silencer. was it human..? if so, did it have a root still attached..? even without its root, mitochondrial DNA could be found with which to trace who the hair had come from. all this is ABSOLUTELY grounds for a new trial. AND the girlfriend's statement should be deemed inadmissible, as there's no corroborating evidence.
Have you ever lost your entire family in one day? Then tried to remain unaffected when laying them to rest, never to see them again?😮 Better rethink his tearful reaction! It hurts 😢
What if Jeremy made the call from the house pretending to be the father? Then left and came back afterwards? The phone call had me convinced he was innocent at first, but there is still a lot that doesn't make sense, like wasn't anyone in a panic position, or trying to flee, etc, so I wonder if the call was part of it... I wish the investigation was done properly and evidence preserved. What a mess! Need to rewatch
@@HoboSimiancould also have been one of the other family members that made the call. The problem is evidence was mishandled, collected by people that had motive as well and weren't law enforcement, and everyone involved had motive. Shouldn't have even gone to trial, and the police were either extremely incompetent, or the family and ex gf were taking advantage of the situation to set Jeremy up. No one should have even been allowed back in that house until the case/trial was over for further evidence collection. The whole thing was a farce.
I do not think the “new” evidence in this film holds up. It is out of the question that petite Sheila would have been able to shoot herself with this long rifle. Mainly speculations with very little substance as far as I can see. But it’s always interesting to look at a vase again, admitted - but it does not necessarily mean the recent look is right.
The silencer should never have been allowed in as evidence because it was completely compromised. The phone call its self should demand a new trial. And the family members who ‘found’ the silencer were the ones who profited. That in its self is suspect. The police screwed up the investigation from the beginning, there was never a chance for real justice.
Why did it not occur to detectives the possibility that Sheila may have realized that the silencer was prohibiting her from pulling the trigger on herself, so she was the one who took it off and put it back in the cabinet? If they were hearing noises in the house shortly after the murders, could that have been what they were hearing? Could that also explain why there were no scratches on the gun cabinet, but there were later? Could Sheila have scratched the cabinet after the police took their photos and moved on from that room? And could that also explain why there were different reports about the number of bodies on each floor? Could Sheila have moved while she was still alive? Far-fetched stuff maybe, but still plausible.
I do believe that Jeremy was the killer in, of course tried to frame his sister and play on her mental illness. He’s despicable and he’s evil. The fact that he could kill two little kids is just beyond me! I think he wanted the inheritance all for himself I don’t think there was anybody else involved.
Really suspect that the family members who ‘found’ the silencer and kept it for two days inherited everything. There is no way that silencer would make it into court today because it was so compromised. Even if he was guilty that evidence would not stand up in court today. (Also a schizophrenic who wrote about wanting to kill her children is just as capable of going through with it.)
Either A. The ex did it, went back after the fact to put the silencer in, jimmy the window and scratch the mantlepiece. The family found these things separately and reported them and shouldn't have been allowed as evidence, or circumstantial at best. B. The family members did it, offered money to the ex for her story incriminating Jeremy, and added the other things after the fact. Or C. The police missed ALL potential evidence completely and it was Jeremy. Even if C is correct he still shouldn't have been convicted because none of that evidence should have been admissible after the fact since it was "found" later by people other than the police. B is possible, but getting that many people's story straight is quite difficult. I think A is most likely and the simplest explanation. I suppose there's also option D. The sister really did do it, but without the silencer. Then the ex and/or family made sure blood was inside the silencer before turning it in or before placing it in the cabinet, scratching the mantle and placing the knife/scratching window when they realized the opportunity. Regardless the entire case should have been thrown out. The "evidence" was he said/she said testimony and things found after the initial investigation by other people with motive.
The evidence they had was a girlfriend that was jealous and mad, plus some cousins, who probably inherited the property since he got convicted. I don't trust those cousins at all
How does the silencer prove she could not have committed the crime??? Couldn’t she have used the silencer to shoot everyone else without making much sound, and then take it off and put it away before eventually using the gun on herself??? 🤨 like tf…? Edit: ok ok ok nvm I didn’t realize her blood was on it, my bad
also the idiot cops just DECIDED the gun WITH the silencer would have been too long for her to have shot herself under the chin... I knew that was wrong the second I heard it, because we had a case in Canada some time ago, where the same assumption was proved to be wrong. and now Jeremy's lawyers have run and recorded tests that prove the police were dead wrong. hey Coppers! NEVER ASSUME !!!
So Jeremy had been "warned" yet left a gun fully loaded just sitting on the kitchen table. He did it and tried to blame the adopted daughter. Also if you shoot yourself the gun doesn't stay on your hand. He's guilt.
23:56 that's nonsense because they didn't look. Also about the bike is nonsense. The photographs show the topography. It wouldn't have been hard at all. He literally grew up there, playing as a child. It's certainly not impossible. From where I am I can get anywhere I want traveling without a path. Even through the woods and I haven't even lived here my whole life. Only about 2 years.
The gun having paint and the mantel having a scratch doesn't show WHO was holding the gun when it scratched the mantel. That is NOT, evidence for the defense. The blood that was her on the silencer and the fact it was in the cabinet means that no one else could have done it. He admitted to being there. He admitted to staying for lunch. He admitted to having the gun. There is no question that he is in fact guilty.
28:58 this is irrelevant. They ask how can they be speaking to someone in the house, yet say he arrived an hour prior. It also says it suggest. However there is no evidence to support that. Just as there was no evidence to show who was holding the gun when it scratched the mantel.
His last account was having a meal in the kitchen with the gun on the table. No one would have left a gun on the table during a family meal. Also it shows they were shot at a time when he admits to being there. Either directly after or during the meal he admits to being there for.
This case has been told x & x again, guess been rubbing salt n the familys wounds 4decades...Terrible crime.. Police botched it from the begining & focused/tunnel vison.. We will never kno the real truth thats between victims,murderer,&HigherPower💔🙏!
31:48 seriously you expect us to take the word of someone who can't even pronounce rigamortis properly. He called it livermortis. 🤦 How absurd. also rigamortis can absolutely pass in 6 hours and a large amount of blood wouldn't dry in that time.
Jeremy could have written the note. He could have also put the silencer back after getting custody of the house. That doesn't prove his innocence either. Her blood was on the silencer. There is no question about that. The silencer was on the gun because her blood spatter was in the silencer. Her length of her arm is irrelevant. As is the scratch is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is her blood spatter in the silencer and it not being on the gun after. That's it. He did it. The scratch is completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with the case. It doesn't in anyway negate the fact of guilt.
His girl friends told the police he did it..and no evidence his father called anyone..Were the evidence..?the conversation? 🤔if that das the case the father would call the police or ambulancia not him,he called nos house and lefth the iPhone out of the ruck hit home and picles up the iPhone.. The guy is giilt..police are not silly..!! The silencer had the girl hairs on it.. the girl dead upstair the gun downstair..só the girl murderer herself and went downstair and put the gun in the cabide🤔 no way..!!! Why people are trying to free a family mass murderer..?🤔dont they have shake on themselves? I remember these case prety well das close home..the whole country in sock.. the hit is a murderer. Hope he rotes in jails..The girl friend dos the rigth thing..she would be the most.. as she knew it..he told ter.!!😱
The one thing that really stands out for me in this case is the poor level of police work - what a mess.
The whole thing was screwed by the cops...what idiots
Seriously, you have people in imminent peril & it takes 4 hours?! Wtf???
Well that proves that the gun man was still alive and walking around. It collaborates with the note that police were talking with someone inside of the house. They were unarmed and so they waited for armed police to handle it. It proves that the gun man ( my crazy daughter has my gun, first police log ), was still alive. She also could have taken the silencer off and threw it somewhere, in order to shoot herself. The cousins found it then stuck it in the gun cabinet that reportedly had nothing in it prior!
@@bonnielee7134
grounds for a new trial, at the very least !!!
and if I were on the jury - with all the conflicting evidence - there's as much doubt as there is proof.
release him and give him back his rightful inheritance..!!!
@bonnielee7134 How does that prove anything? The only person that supposedly talked to the dad was his son. Nobody else talked to anyone in the house because they were already dead. And the only person who’d need a silencer is someone trying to get away with shooting people, but everyone is trying to portray her as a crazy person who just snapped, so which is it? Oh, I know. Neither. She was nothing but a convenient scapegoat.
@@Idontwantone950hope you never sit on a jury because you obviously don't have a clue about listening or know anything about mental illness.😢
Just the telephone call alone by the father to the police … should exonerate him surely .. the father said ‘ she’s ‘ got the gun and is going berserk …. And Relative’s find a silencer a few days after , after the police had already covered that area … and they certainly benefited … they got the house and farm out of it …. NOT GUILTY …
@@TonyLee-r6k dunno, Martin makes a lot of sense to me
The police who covered this up should be doing time instead of him.
So, keystone cops are worldwide. Flipping idiots.
IKR 😞 they constantly rush to judgment, completely ignore evidence, completely miss important evidence and in some cases, out right lie! From the beginning of this video before I ever knew his conviction was in doubt I thought to myself “if this is the evidence they are putting forward I don’t see it at all!” What little evidence actually exists in this case due to the bumbling keystone cops supports the conclusion that the poor mentally ill young woman killed her family! In short, once again they have framed and convicted an innocent man!!!!! I would say “unbelievable” but it’s totally believable that the cops are idiots!!
The family set Jeremy up to get their hands on the farm. I hope he is given a new trial and gets his farm back.
That's exactly what I thought. I'm wondering if they even bothered to check into that. Probably not being how incompetent they were.
I agree
@@suziequebedeaux5109 the cop in this video says Jeremy was the only one with a motive.
the guy's STILL
an idiot..!!!
That's nonsense. The house was cleaned by investigators. They didn't manufacturer the screen of the crime because they weren't there and they didn't manufacturer high vlosity blood splatter. They also didn't put the gun in the girls hand but someone did. Jeremy was the only one there at the time.
@@PiratesRock-dm8mt I think you are wrong. The truth always comes out in the end. The family "found" the evidence that the police missed. That's because they planted the evidence.
o my, 1st. i have heard of the father placing a call to the police as well. if anything he deserves a new trial. tragic
It all comes down too the COPS they want to save face and WOULD NEVER ADMIT they messed up!
yup.
have you EVER heard of cops ANYWHERE admitting they did wrong..?
nope.
Proof that Jeremy wasn’t at the scene was the phone call 2 minutes after the murders from his own house. He wasn’t at the scene.
Nonsense, he put the gun on the table or so he says. She didn't shoot herself or the gun wouldn't have been found in her hand. That's not how self inflicted gunshots work. That gun was placed there. By the other person there. By the same person who said they had the gun earler. Jeremy. He admitted to being there. He was with his father that morning. He ate at the family home. He said he put the gun on the table. The silencer had her blood on it but was in the cabinet. She couldn't have shot herself and then put the silencer away. The gun wouldn't have been in her hand either. He told on himself.
The family members found the silencer???? seriously???? that silencer could have come from anywhere... it should never have been allowed into evidence... his defense team were idiots...guess who inherited the family property .... the very family members who reported finding the silencer!!😄😄I sincerely hope he receives justice before he dies...
Chain of custody at very least.
Maybe they did it?
So do I. It's more than obvious that the family and his ex girlfriend lied. That wss proven when she lied trying to get a former lover blamed for the murder, yet they still allowed her testimony. She's nothing but a vidictive bitch who will lie about anyone to get her 15 minutes of fame.
I actually find that weird 😂. Police here in the US will focus the attention on the person who “found the silencer” Also, it will be difficult to convict the defendant due to a family member “finding the silencer.” Why family members are allowed inside the crime scene 😂?
@@jillricci587 as if police in the US haven't botched plenty of cases.
Exactly! The cops, FIRST, reported nothing in the gun cupboard, then the cousins found something in the gun cupboard. That, alone, shows that the cousin ADDED something to the cupboard!
I watch so many true crime stories and this one is the worst i ever seen. The prosecutor stands by his word cuz he dont want to admit defeat and his family that inherited the farm believes hes guilty too cuz they dont want to lose their inheritance if thats possible. The police calls that were made alone should be enough to free him. Shame on them all. I hope oneday he gets out and the garbage that didnt stand by him get what they deserve. Good luck to you, dont give up keep fighting and praying. God bless❤
I also don’t love that they keep referring to him as their adopted son. As if that makes him less their child
They did the same with her. It is legal practice, and not some sort of conspiracy.
I agree, very ugly to keep saying that. Adopted children are your children, the minute you take them home they are your children.
In the eyes of the law they aren't your biological children and in a criminal case facts matter. They referred to both of them that way. It's facts. Not feelings.
It's hard to imagine a woman so intent on vengeance that she accuses someone of murder and puts him away for the rest of his life. Yet, it appears she did. The hitman theory doesn't hold water
What he needs to do is contact Innocence International. If anyone can help it's them. The other family members obviously wanted that farm to make up the lies they told. The fact that the prosecution held back important information from the defense proves he's not guilty. It also shows how corrupt the system is to deny his appeals when information was not provided to the defense that should have been. It's a crock of shit. He is Not guilty of anything. This always happens when major money is involved.
He's guilty
This was horrible police work, the crime scene was not closed off at all, possible evidence destroyed ( r u serious??, what is this nonsense) 4 hours for back up????? Shoddy police work and injustice to the son how horrifying
With Jeremy and His sister out of the way who is next to inherit the family fortune, they lived close and entered the house only to find the one thing to spred suspition on the last obstical.
Seems like family member's who found slincer my have had a inherence issue!
All fingers point to the family now living in the farm who planted the evidence! This is terrible
It is so clear that Jeremy did not do it!! Evidence was taken away, evidence was planted, his ex gf was mad because he had broken up with her, the list goes on! And for that idiot policeman to say they have the right man behind bars makes me sick!
Not sure who killed them, but I've always thought Jeremy didn't do it either. His rejected ex girlfriend was the star witness??! RIDICULOUS that her testimony could have been relied on to get a conviction ...
@@manusha1349 rarely do 'they' care about justice; just a tick mark in the win column.
I honestly can't you believe anyone other Jeremy killed his family. Absolutely ridiculous
@killjoy3000 did you watch this video? The phone calls alone are enough to have had his convection thrown out. At the end of the day, there is enough reasonable doubt in his case that he should have never gone to trial in the first place. But let's say all the things that were discussed in this video was found after his convection. His first appeal should have been granted. Did he do it? I don't know. All the things mentioned in this video would have kept me from voting guilty. There is plenty of room for doubt in this case.
Yes. Especially since she was caught in a lie about that one guy being the hitman and he had a solid alibi.
Imagine sentencing a man to a minimum sentence of 25 yrs on the evidence of a scorned lover AND family who had much to gain upon inheriting the farm. No forensic evidence proved that Jeremy had any role in the crime. Police stuffed up and Jeremy took the fall.
still can't figure this out. if it was indeed the father that phoned first stating that his daughter are going bezerk then why did the grandmother not take the 2 kids at that moment & escape at LEAST or locked themselfs in a room to HIDE. no evidence of any locked room.....kids in their bedroom sleeping with unlocked door...... after earlier that day the parents being concerned about their daughter 's mental state of health, her returning from a mental institution.....not thinking to put the gun out of her reach.....
Five life sentances and a minimum of 25 is an outrage.
Would he have been dumb enough to not get rid of the silencer, and leave it in a cupboard?
So, with his sister dead and him in prison, did the family members that came to "safeguard" the estate, get the inheritance?
yes they did.
and the oh-so-knowledgable cousin who brought the silencer to the cops moved into the house.
could I move into a house where 2 children and 3 adults had been murdered..? people that I knew..? in fact, family members..?
no l could not.
but a person with no feelings could. and what sort of person has no feelings..?
why a psychopath,
of course.
@katherine9109 I had written my comment before the very end and I caught that. If I was a cop, I would have been looking at them.
The most fucked up part to me is, even if the silencer, the scratch, and everything else were true none of that means he did it. Could have been another family member, a drifter, or the sister could have used the silencer on everyone else, taken it off and put it away, then killed herself. Dude is in prison for life when there is less than zero evidence that point to him.
If there's proof Neville called the police and said it was his daughter with the gun, why is there any doubt that she did it? What a travesty of justice that Jeremy is in jail and how could the police be this incompetent?!
That was my reaction also...but what if it was actually Jeremy who made that call? Then left and returned? There's a lot of other stuff that doesn't make sense otherwise...Like why wasn't anyone in a panic position or trying to flee? Wouldn't Neville have tried to protect the kids?
This has been a twisted case from the start. Didn’t sit well with me that the family were quick to money grab and blame him. They were never happy he would inherit family farm being adopted
so, mass amounts of evidence destroyed but they want to try and pin it on the son. LOL nah. theyre just trying to make themselves look good after making a huge mistake. so what if an innocent guy goes to jail!
He's not innocent
I listen a lot to these types of cases.
It is quite frightening that evidence is not put forwards and evidence is destroyed.
A persons life is in their hands and it seems that they just want to find a person to convict and they go home and do their life.
Very scary
So sad for the son if hes been set up. The investigation shouldve been thorough & preserved. Looks like as soon as that silencer was announced that alot of things were determined & permanately. I watched this entire case again just to see nothing has changed about his conviction. Only seeing that his family could've easily set him up & his jilted lover must be happy that shes put her 2 cents on it. Id go w the facts only not heresay & not evidence that was found later by ppl that could gain from setting up the son. A disaster of investigation. Why does it take police 4 hrs to come? Why destroy evidence? Id demand a retrial? Wth? Smdh!!!
What was up with the family members? Did they inherit?
Yep, they moved in shortly after. Took everything
Did you watch the video?
maybe she put the silencer away before she killed herself
Maybe. She didn't need it anymore.
That does not make sense. The majority of suicides occur quickly following the murder. Also, while a silencer reduces noise, it does not eliminate the sound of gunshots.
No, she didn't kill herself. The gun was in her hand because it had been placed there. Anyone who knows about gun crimes and suicides knows the gun doesn't stay in your hand like that after a self inflicted gunshots. The scene was staged and he was the only one there also he had been "warned" yet he put a loaded gun on the kitchen table by his own admission. Complete nonsense. He's guilty.
It had her blood on it. If she put it away before she shot herself it wouldn't have HER blood in it. Her blood got in it because she was shot with it and then it was put away this proving he shot her.
It’s an interesting point that should have been brought up in court. And there is absolutely no way that silencer should have been allowed into evidence anyway it was so completely compromised.
There's a huge difference between INNOCENT and NOT GUILTY!
IF Sheila & Jeremy were the ONLY ones to inherit and Sheila is dead, then WHY in the world were the other family members swop onto the scene to SECURE the house? For WHO??? Not to mention, around the suspected time of the crime, THEY were the closest PEOPLE around and they were the ones who conveniently "found" incriminating evidence.
The other important problem, is the girlfriend NEVER discounted Jeremy's alibi UNTIL she thought she was being jilted!!! Hell hath no furry like a woman scorned!!!
And lastly, but more importantly, the police HAD to make Jeremy look THE WORST in order to distance themselves from COMPLETELY SCREWING UP THE EVIDENCE with the way they BOTCHED THE ENTIRE CRIME SCENE!!
In my opinion, I'm not saying, Jeremy is innocent, but how this case was handled...is and of itself is MORE than enough REASONABLE DOUBT for a
"NOT GUILTY".
Nonsense
Completely agree.
Quite a complex case that's for sure. Very interesting video. The ex girlfriend's testimony was taken seriously. Thanks for sharing 🙏🙏🙏
I'm always surprised that investigators don't consider that a person can hold a barrel and pull the trigger with a toe.
Yes, the Japanese did that during WW2 in order to save face and not be captured.
A bit far fetched, though, isn’t it?
looks like the expended family won... taking buddies inheritance
That's what I think too.
Family with no experience has more knowledge than the detectives and police..Shows u the police dept been dumb their whole life
Why isn’t anyone out raged? Could it be the family that turned him in and took over the houses?
Why wpuld she need a silencer though? Or he for that matter
So the other victims would not awaken during the commission of the crime.
If she was found/seen in the kitchen, surely her blood wdl be there & if she went upstairs while police were there, bloodtrail wdl be visible as it was documented that she was actively bleeding when found upstairs
The family members sure did score from 'finding' that silencer and mark on the cabinet 😅😅😅poor little rich boy got screwed over by his own kind
How does a family member turn in a silencer they removed from the scene and turn in days later and that be admissible. There is so much doubt in this case. Someone got paid off in the police force by the cousins. Nothing else makes sense.
If no names of people or places were given or a time frame, I'd swear that this took place in some 3rd world, corrupt country in 1885 rather than the UK in 1985. Incredible.
Wow. This prosecution would be in trouble here, for withholding evidence...the second call from the father. I don't know UK law, but here he would get a new trial, and if he won because of a bad prosecutor he would get a payout.
Where is here?
Poor investigation!!! So I’m not trusting results
This sounds like some shady ish went on. Somebody wanted his family farm. I’d be looking at whoever profited from this
What a travesty of justice.
It's not.
If she was running around with a rifle why was he sitting in the kitchen instead of hiding or fighting or grabbing another rifle? The leaving the gun on the table story makes no sense..guilty
Exactly
her father was there, witness the going onns 'bout his daughter, called police/emergency services at that exact time & told them her going bezerk.
Release Jeremy NOW.. no1 Wins, Can Never bring them bk..rest their souls..
There also was a great movie about this case...
Back then its seems so hard to prove cases like today with the forensics
Yes very good movie! Freddie Fox played Jeremy
My money's on the extended family. The lady that found the silencer perhaps. Who was going to get the most, and sounds a bit corrupt with the police......almost seems like the perfect cover up.
Wow! This inocent man is roting I prison for something he didn't do.
Evil people only care for themselves not justice.
He's not innocent
4 hours ? Really ?
I'm not sure who killed the family, but I've always thought that Jeremy didn't do it either. I honestly hope that Jeremy gets a new trial and gets his life back on track. I honestly think it shouldn't have taken the police 4 hours to arrive after the first initial call.
Interesting extended family, I see them as a bunch of vultures. Who had the motive? Etc...
Sloppy police work.
So the "extended family " who would inherit everything gave the police evidence THEY. "discovered " not the police found on their own. That poor guy Jeremy!
She left a Suicide Note, umm excuse me what!? 2 dif phone logs .. jeremy has done x 4this crime x he's RELEASED
20 minutes in and I’m stunned at the complete incompetence of the investigation. How did this even go to trial?? There is no way that evidence was not compromised, the family members are completely suspect, and it’s clear the girlfriend was not being truthful and was clearly enjoying her fame. There was absolutely no chain of custody for the silencer that the family had for TWO DAYS before turning it in. How many people handled it? The evidence is so weak, the police should be ashamed at their actions and their incompetence. There is absolutely no way this would be brought to trial today! It would be laughed out of court and the officers fired. This is beyond a joke.
Ok, I’ve finished. This new evidence on its own should mean a new trial immediately. That silencer wouldn’t even be allowed in court today. (And who says Shiela didn’t take the silencer off herself? Although I don’t believe one was used!) The sheer incompetence and weak evidence of this case are stunning. The fact that the courts are allowing this to continue when the trial itself was completely corrupt is disturbing.
The family members are completely suspect. They said Jeremy killed for the inheritance but the family members had just as much motive. And they profited heavily from their ‘found’ evidence. That is completely suspect. The fact that the police allowed them to search the house, the fact that they ‘found’ the silencer and kept it for two days. The fact that the ‘blood’ on the silencer could have come from one of the extended family members is a huge red flag but the police dropped the ball.
He should be released pending a new trial.
That police officer should be ashamed to look in the mirror. His colleagues who also investigated should be ashamed to look in the mirror. They bungled the investigation, lied, destroyed evidence, relied on unreliable witnesses, comprised the crime scene, and ignored evidence. He’s trying so hard to convince us and himself that he’s right but you can see he’s uncomfortable and knows he’s wrong. He needs to be a man and do the right thing.
All investigating officers were completely incompetent and should have to answer for how badly they screwed up the investigation. How do they live with themselves and go home to their families knowing they railroaded someone, they messed up their jobs and someone has been in jail for years because of what they did. They played with someone’s life. Sickening.
The corruption of this world terrifies me. Police, courts, people. Somewhere integrity, justice and accountability have fallen to the wayside.
@3:52mins that guy reminds me of Benny Hill 😃
Godawful policework done here honestly. Poor dude wasn't likable so he to take the fall.
I would like to know when did the courts start denying evidence in a case? That is deliberately within evidence that can clear a person who charged in a case. When did the court judge allow DA's start lying in court? Also the DA's, Lawyers, and cops who are corrupt and tamper with evidence, should be charged and removed immediately from their duties. So suspension, FIRED!!! Why don't we have a system where the judge listening to all tape recordings involved in the case from the attorneys' and District Attorney's before any trials begin. Today, there is too much corruption in our legal system, world wide. Accountability of honor, honesty and fairness must be a requirement.
I'll never understand how these people can murder anyone, but to murder children, you must be soulless 😢
Or terribly troubled by mental illness, not their fault. God have mercy on the liars who have profited for the moment. Praying for new justice to come for Jeremy and that he will be free to live the rest of his life and mourn the death of his family properly.🕊️✝️😥🙏
Since when does the word of relatives who are going to inherit override the police search and photos? It seems very suspicious to me 😮
Police bungled this case!
Tragic, very tragic.
In my opinion, number one, why did it take hours for the police to arrive when what was reported to them was a potential murder? Number two, why did they change their reports completely? The reports were completely opposite from each other. This one I can answer, they had no one to blame but a dead mentally ill woman. They can't get their 15 minutes of fame now can they? It's no secret that those that supposedly solve the crimes that get the most media coverage, gets promoted. It's no secret that those cops that get the most media get promoted with the DA gets re-elected or places like Innocence Project and Innocence International wouldn't exist. These organizations exist for a damn good reason. With advances in technology many have been exonerated. Without these.fantastic organizations such miscarriages of justice would never have been possible. It's no secret worldwide that many so called police have done everything they could to take an innocent people have spent over 30+ years in jail for crimes they didn't commit. Then there's the overly aggressive DA who will withhold evidence not only from the jury but more importantly from the defense. Which means that the whole judicial system is corrupt right from the police who investigate the crimes right up to the judge. Everyone knows that makes decisions that 90% of the time goes against the defense. As far as I'm concerned there is no way for anyone to get a fair trial anywhere in any country. Btw was this so called human blood ever tested for the DNA? I rest my case. Any and all of this would be grounds for a not guilty verdict in my opinion.
From the video the ‘blood’ could have come from Shiela OR one of the extended family members.
that phone call from the father to police cinches the deal..!!!
HE said it was the daughter..!!!
I'm also suspicious of that cousin who 'found' the silencer. exactly how much did SHE stand to gain with the son's conviction..?
however, I do think the son was overdoing it at the funeral. maybe he sensed that he was the prime suspect...
and by the way - the puffed-up cop who comments in the video,
of course won't even entertain the idea that the police got it wrong.
BUT.
he also goes on about the son being the only one with a motive. and THAT simply isn't true.
look who DID inherit..!!!
and of course, there's the daughter.
one more thing -
the grey hair found on the silencer. was it human..? if so, did it have a root still attached..? even without its root, mitochondrial DNA could be found with which to trace who the hair had come from.
all this is ABSOLUTELY grounds for a new trial.
AND the girlfriend's statement should be deemed inadmissible, as there's no corroborating evidence.
Have you ever lost your entire family in one day? Then tried to remain unaffected when laying them to rest, never to see them again?😮 Better rethink his tearful reaction! It hurts 😢
What if Jeremy made the call from the house pretending to be the father? Then left and came back afterwards? The phone call had me convinced he was innocent at first, but there is still a lot that doesn't make sense, like wasn't anyone in a panic position, or trying to flee, etc, so I wonder if the call was part of it...
I wish the investigation was done properly and evidence preserved. What a mess! Need to rewatch
@@HoboSimiancould also have been one of the other family members that made the call. The problem is evidence was mishandled, collected by people that had motive as well and weren't law enforcement, and everyone involved had motive. Shouldn't have even gone to trial, and the police were either extremely incompetent, or the family and ex gf were taking advantage of the situation to set Jeremy up. No one should have even been allowed back in that house until the case/trial was over for further evidence collection. The whole thing was a farce.
Reminds me of the Claus VonBulow case here in the states!
I do not think the “new” evidence in this film holds up. It is out of the question that petite Sheila would have been able to shoot herself with this long rifle.
Mainly speculations with very little substance as far as I can see. But it’s always interesting to look at a vase again, admitted - but it does not necessarily mean the recent look is right.
The silencer should never have been allowed in as evidence because it was completely compromised. The phone call its self should demand a new trial. And the family members who ‘found’ the silencer were the ones who profited. That in its self is suspect. The police screwed up the investigation from the beginning, there was never a chance for real justice.
Why were police so slow? Something fishy went on, and this young man has had his life stolen from him, by the police. This is awful.
Tragic all around I believe Bamber
10 minutes is the time he took to get home and pretend his father called him.Moster.!!
Thought my ex can change uh. After 16 years nope worse pdycho
I think it’s stupid that all the police officers don’t carry guns.
Why did it not occur to detectives the possibility that Sheila may have realized that the silencer was prohibiting her from pulling the trigger on herself, so she was the one who took it off and put it back in the cabinet? If they were hearing noises in the house shortly after the murders, could that have been what they were hearing? Could that also explain why there were no scratches on the gun cabinet, but there were later? Could Sheila have scratched the cabinet after the police took their photos and moved on from that room? And could that also explain why there were different reports about the number of bodies on each floor? Could Sheila have moved while she was still alive? Far-fetched stuff maybe, but still plausible.
I think the jilted girlfriend was just mad because she didn’t get to marry him. So she told a lie about him.
Jeremy DID it PERIOD!
Killer or not, Jeremy Bamber sure is very good-looking!
I do believe that Jeremy was the killer in, of course tried to frame his sister and play on her mental illness. He’s despicable and he’s evil. The fact that he could kill two little kids is just beyond me! I think he wanted the inheritance all for himself I don’t think there was anybody else involved.
Really suspect that the family members who ‘found’ the silencer and kept it for two days inherited everything. There is no way that silencer would make it into court today because it was so compromised. Even if he was guilty that evidence would not stand up in court today. (Also a schizophrenic who wrote about wanting to kill her children is just as capable of going through with it.)
Please, of course it was Jeremy. I don't think he pull the trigger, but he organized it.
6:25 I’m no expert but correct me if I’m correct, THATS AN AIR RIFLE. There is no MAGAZINE on that model.
Either A. The ex did it, went back after the fact to put the silencer in, jimmy the window and scratch the mantlepiece. The family found these things separately and reported them and shouldn't have been allowed as evidence, or circumstantial at best. B. The family members did it, offered money to the ex for her story incriminating Jeremy, and added the other things after the fact. Or C. The police missed ALL potential evidence completely and it was Jeremy. Even if C is correct he still shouldn't have been convicted because none of that evidence should have been admissible after the fact since it was "found" later by people other than the police. B is possible, but getting that many people's story straight is quite difficult. I think A is most likely and the simplest explanation. I suppose there's also option D. The sister really did do it, but without the silencer. Then the ex and/or family made sure blood was inside the silencer before turning it in or before placing it in the cabinet, scratching the mantle and placing the knife/scratching window when they realized the opportunity. Regardless the entire case should have been thrown out. The "evidence" was he said/she said testimony and things found after the initial investigation by other people with motive.
Seriously incompetent cops
The evidence they had was a girlfriend that was jealous and mad, plus some cousins, who probably inherited the property since he got convicted. I don't trust those cousins at all
I feel most sorry for Colin Cafell he lost his children
So many mistakes made by police force. Very poor police work.
How does the silencer prove she could not have committed the crime??? Couldn’t she have used the silencer to shoot everyone else without making much sound, and then take it off and put it away before eventually using the gun on herself??? 🤨 like tf…?
Edit: ok ok ok nvm I didn’t realize her blood was on it, my bad
also the idiot cops just DECIDED the gun WITH the silencer would have been too long for her to have shot herself under the chin...
I knew that was wrong the second I heard it, because we had a case in Canada some time ago, where the same assumption was proved to be wrong.
and now Jeremy's lawyers have run and recorded tests that prove the police were dead wrong.
hey Coppers!
NEVER ASSUME !!!
She looks like a liar to me😅😅
So Jeremy had been "warned" yet left a gun fully loaded just sitting on the kitchen table.
He did it and tried to blame the adopted daughter. Also if you shoot yourself the gun doesn't stay on your hand. He's guilt.
23:56 that's nonsense because they didn't look. Also about the bike is nonsense. The photographs show the topography. It wouldn't have been hard at all. He literally grew up there, playing as a child. It's certainly not impossible. From where I am I can get anywhere I want traveling without a path. Even through the woods and I haven't even lived here my whole life. Only about 2 years.
The gun having paint and the mantel having a scratch doesn't show WHO was holding the gun when it scratched the mantel. That is NOT, evidence for the defense. The blood that was her on the silencer and the fact it was in the cabinet means that no one else could have done it. He admitted to being there. He admitted to staying for lunch. He admitted to having the gun. There is no question that he is in fact guilty.
28:58 this is irrelevant. They ask how can they be speaking to someone in the house, yet say he arrived an hour prior. It also says it suggest. However there is no evidence to support that. Just as there was no evidence to show who was holding the gun when it scratched the mantel.
29:06 alleged conversation, 2 hours prior. That's not evidence of innocence. Not even close.
His last account was having a meal in the kitchen with the gun on the table. No one would have left a gun on the table during a family meal. Also it shows they were shot at a time when he admits to being there. Either directly after or during the meal he admits to being there for.
Oh yeah and don't forget cop credit to that's a good one😅😅😅😅
This case has been told x & x again, guess been rubbing salt n the familys wounds 4decades...Terrible crime.. Police botched it from the begining & focused/tunnel vison.. We will never kno the real truth thats between victims,murderer,&HigherPower💔🙏!
I knew that case wasn’t right. 😢
I smell something very stinky.
The only account is Jeremy's. No one else survived to give their account of what happened. So of course it's going to potray him in the best light.
31:48 seriously you expect us to take the word of someone who can't even pronounce rigamortis properly. He called it livermortis. 🤦 How absurd. also rigamortis can absolutely pass in 6 hours and a large amount of blood wouldn't dry in that time.
Jeremy could have written the note. He could have also put the silencer back after getting custody of the house. That doesn't prove his innocence either. Her blood was on the silencer. There is no question about that. The silencer was on the gun because her blood spatter was in the silencer. Her length of her arm is irrelevant. As is the scratch is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is her blood spatter in the silencer and it not being on the gun after. That's it. He did it. The scratch is completely irrelevant and has nothing to do with the case. It doesn't in anyway negate the fact of guilt.
The blood couldn't have come from either because they weren't related. Also they would still have this and be able to DNA test it today.
The fact it was the 80s excuses some of it, but the police work seems shoddy.
His girl friends told the police he did it..and no evidence his father called anyone..Were the evidence..?the conversation? 🤔if that das the case the father would call the police or ambulancia not him,he called nos house and lefth the iPhone out of the ruck hit home and picles up the iPhone.. The guy is giilt..police are not silly..!! The silencer had the girl hairs on it.. the girl dead upstair the gun downstair..só the girl murderer herself and went downstair and put the gun in the cabide🤔 no way..!!! Why people are trying to free a family mass murderer..?🤔dont they have shake on themselves? I remember these case prety well das close home..the whole country in sock.. the hit is a murderer. Hope he rotes in jails..The girl friend dos the rigth thing..she would be the most.. as she knew it..he told ter.!!😱