It s even more strange since all the others Ferrari GT and now Le Mans categories are part of a different racing department, with Antonio Coletta at the Top , who has pretty much the kind of power portrayed in the video. And Guess what , they re reaching successes in series. So There s also an internal example they should look at to improve the F1 structure
@@purwantiallan5089 Not really since Peugeot had no experience with hybrid systems. Ferrari has more than enough experience since they are in F1, using the hybrid system. Sure it may be different but they have experience something that Peugeot did not have.
@@purwantiallan5089 It's a BoP class and the Peugeot is not far from the Toyota in performance. It's a new car ofc so they need to get some things right first. Ferrari won't be far away either. Even without the BoP these cars would be very close to each other, some good points from LMP1H are there and those were the best regulations in modern motorsport.
To be honest, I was surprised Ferrari sacked Binotto. The team beat Mercedes in 2022 and was clearly improving. They developed a very competitive car, they have a great pair of drivers and things were looking up. Sure, strategy was bad, but that's something a team can work on. For all his flaws, Binotto earned one more season.
The big problem is that strategy has been evidently bad from at least 2020, and the first signs probably appeared earlier. He should have used the two years during which they had a bad car to fix this before they had a race-winning car again. Mercedes failed themselves more than Ferrari beat them.
How did they beat Mercedes?they had a better car than merc and even couldn’t lock a win at Brazil They can’t even capitalise points or win from damage limitation of their competitors
Trigger happy management. Same as in youtube comments. As soon as people are not happy with some decisions the response is the same: "he needs to go". Binotto delivered his targets. Still he didn't get the management support. You're correct. This will never end.
He delivered on some targets but his management has been flawed very often. I think mainly denying that anything needed to change and not taking action to prevent more mistakes.
@@thomassnowball6374 Inaki Rueda had connection with Ferrari's exec on top.. He is the head strategist who F'ed up Vettel's strategy to Lecrec's strategy now.. And his position somehow is still secure because of his Connection.. Binotto couldn't change anything if his boss on top didn't agree with him, so Binotto basically just saying what his boss told him to say that nothing needs to be changed..
People keeps saying that Binotto delivered targets, what did he deliver? In the hybrid era he was mostly doing engineering stuff and in 2014 engine was a disaster, it took them 3 years to catch up and the failed against mercedes despite having at least as much of a competitive car. In 2019 there was the engine suspects of being illegal and this year despite having the best car (in the first races) he failed massively at developing it and giving leadership to the team with those errors...
@@naufalpahlevi8976exactly. I'm not a football fan, but it's not worked well for teams that have overeaching executives that control everything. Leave it to the experts to run the team. Ferrari are upsetting an upwards trend with a manager that protected his team from salty fans and journalists.
Look at how long Horner has been in charge at RB (their success started relatively early, too. But Ferrari would have got rid of him halfway through the team's development), and Wolff at Mercedes. There's a reason both teams have won everything going since 2010. Ferrari's greatest days were in the 50s and during the Brawn/Todt and Schumacher era - and stability played a major role in it. Guess what's coming down the track at Ferrari! (Edit: posted this before it was said on the video, which must mean I'm not that wrong!)
Wolff had Mercedes built from the ground up by Brawn, Lauda, Schumacher and Costa (apprentice to Byrne) as well as buying up Ilmor and making it HPP before he got there. Even the technical team will tell you the big breakthrough was with the design of 2013 car, which happened in 2012. And we've seen in 2021 and 2022 that he can't fix a team when he can't spend his way out. He just complains to the FIA until the ban something for other teams.
@@seanonraet8327 They didn't though. 2021: They were helped by the FIA changing pit gun rules, changing wing tests, changing tyre pressures, and using extra ICE for performance. 2022: They were helped by the FIA TD, which slowed up Ferrari, and most of their podiums were down to Ferrari or RB mistakes or unreliability. All they did was realise what went wrong with their design, save weight and add a front wing that later got banned for outwash. Mexico and Brazil suited their car, which was lighter, with the front wing that got banned. They still made poor decisions with strategy. The car didn't get any better to drive overall, they were still complaining about it.
Its amazing to see such a big company incapable of seeing the disaster in the making. Old-fashioned rules, policies and practices just makes the team more rigid, stale and fragile. Unless a huge change takes place in the higher positions of Ferrari, I doubt the F1 team is ever gonna win consistently.
Italian companies are some of the worst places to work at. And Ferrari epitomises this. Ferrari’s 2023 season is already lost even before it’s begun: a new team principal means next year Ferrari will be more busy with themselves that with racing. Also, Binotto was technical chef. He led the engine development. Who’s going to lead it now and what can they deliver in 2023? I reckon hardly anything.
After working for the german branch of a larger italian company for a couple of years this is exactly what I felt for quit some time now. In the beginning everything was fine as we were mostly self governed with the italian HQ only checking in once or twice per year. But over time more and more deciscions were made in italy without trying to understand or learn our part of the buisness (the company produced automatisations for gates, doors and windows and the german branch was solely responsible for indusrial products). Than when tey fired our local boss and hired a guy from italy who didn't even worked for the company bevor it really went downhill. Key personal left or were fired because they couldn't work with our new boss, customers went away cause our internal organistion went haywire after said personal left and even after one year in the position our new boss (who was also responsible for sales) still didn't know how our products worked or what they could do. So instead of doing my job as a service technician (actually THE service technician towards the end) I constantly had to explain to him what kind product a customer wanted when they send inquiries to him. I'd say it was ridiculess if it hadn't led to an acutall burnout on my part. So yeah, rather impactfull live lesson for me and I fell with every (F1) Ferrari employe ever since. Watching F1 reminded me of this time way too often.
You are saying Italian companies are the worst places to work at based on two examples? I think most people found quite the opposite working with Italians I found it much easier and relaxed than my previous experiences
No, it’s not based on just this example, but my personal experience. Italian people are very nice to be with, but not very good to work with. Esp. for people like me who are more Nordic/methodic in their way of working.
What the fuck are you talking about? Ferrari was voted several times as one of the best places to work in Europe. It is incredible the amount of bullshit that come up when Ferrari is involved. You know nothing and want to teach a huge fucking company which makes more and more billions every year how to manage their stuff. C'mon dude this is ridiculous.
The revolving doors at Ferrari can mean one of two things: 1. There is a fundamental structural issue that prevents talented team bosses from fully exploiting the realms resources. 2. The board keeps hiring the wrong people, over and over. In both cases, this is on the higher-ups.
The best part of being a Ferrari fan is when you stop being a Ferrari fan and are no longer part of that abusive relationship. Would love to see Binotto at another team.
@mgi 12321 hopefully aston is slowly building and will be a powerhouse in a few years if they keep it up and daddy stroll keeps out of the day to day running/ design
If you stop being a fan, you were never a fan to begin with. Passion is not rational and it's not something that can be controlled. You can't decide to stop being a fan of something and you definetely don't stop being a fan out of nowhere
That structure has always been with the team, even when Enzo was still alive. Marchionne was trying to change it, recreating the same shield with Vettel and Arrivabene, but passed away before it could be completed and solidified.
"A team that storically underachieves", Yeah sure it's not like all historical teams are struggling and it's not like only 2 teams have won a championship in the last 12 years, right? I mean Williams has done amazingly since the 90s, right? Lotus literally disappeared and Mclaren wouldn't have won a single race in a decade if it wasn't for Ricciardo's fortunate win at Monza in 2021. But sure, let's pretend that it's just one team underachieving while all the others are doing great. Ferrari is the ONLY historical team to still be competitive
"A team that historically underachieves" Mmmm, how many teams were the most winning team in three different decades (50s, 75-84, and 00s) and hold all the possible records in F1? You have no idea what you are talking about.
@@francescoceleri4894 It's amazing how Ferrari has been light years better than all other historical teams in the past 20 years and yet the Brits will only focus on Ferrari's ""underachieving""
The greatest irony for me in F1 is that Ferrari receive a bonus payment each year for being a "legacy team" (or something simiarly named), where they get a fat bit of extra money just for having been around the longest, and yet with that, they're still unable to really contend for the top cus of all these other problems.
The Agnelli family was and still is to a lesser extent a cancer over all of Italy, Ferrari still lives in their toxic shadow. John Elkann, the grandson of Gianni Agnelli is the CEO of the holding company that controls a major stake in Ferrari, do you think he has that position because he is world class? Nepotism is bad, but in results driven environments it is disastrous.
John Barnard and Rory Byrne was also involved in Ferrari's successful run of championships during the Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Michael Schumacher Era.
@@kwl189Engineering nerds don't receive that much of a praise and attention they really deserve 😔 I guess even today a big % of people will know who Horner is - how many will actually know who Newey is? And he is probably the most recognized of all designers and tech directors still active in the paddock
Todt-Brawn-Schumi era: Ross Brawn said the following: “Michael [Schumacher], you have 19 laps to pull out 25 seconds. We need 19 qualifying laps from you.” To which the German responded with a 'thank you. ' Current SF: Charles what do you think about Plan alphabet?
2:49 - You can notice that Mattia was the one that witnessed the four being forced out. He just beat Ferrari at their own game. I bet they still wanted him to do one season whilst they look for replacement in the shadows.
Honest I think the upper echelons are definitely aware of everything mentioned in the video. They just don’t care about winning as much as their grasp of power within the organization
The FIA keeps on changing rules mid-season (TD39 introduced in Belgium was the main example this year), literally only 2 teams have won a championship in the past 12 years and all historical teams are struggling. But sure, let's pretend that it's just Ferrari having issues
Let's be real. Ferrari is the most overrated team in F1 history. They're only the most successful team because of 2 things. They're by far the longest running team in F1 history and their numbers got a huge boost through the Schumacher/Todt/Brawn partnership. Their last 2 (3) titles depending on how you look at the 2007 constructors' were still heavily influenced by those 3 people. Since 2009 it went downhill. They came close a few times or at some point in the year seemed to be but ultimately it was never enough.
I really believe that even with the mistakes he made, Ferrari were way better off sticking with Binotto. He made steady progress, he understood the tech, he acknowledged issues and worked on them in a way that a lot of Ferrari team bosses have failed to do. I think they could have kept being title contenders in this era, but now I'd bet they fall to a distant third behind RB and Mercedes.
This is the best video that explains how these F1 teams functions under management level, it is astonishing that Ferrari was able to survive the new era of F1 under these circumstances
Very true comments - can they ever change this? Look at what the stability and empowerment of Toto and Christian have achieved ! Italians will be Italian !
Toto has the benefit of having a major ownership stake in Mercedes. So he isn’t just a principle, he’s 33% part owner. So he has a benefit of having a good sway on the board. Top that with winning championships since he became principle (thanks to Brawn’s building of the teams foundations), and his position is solidified. Christian had the benefit of being a multi-championship principle as well, so he holds more weight. However now that Dietrich has passed, if Red Bull has another downturn on performance his position might be threatened in the future.
@@philipbarton3456 The new management for the RB sports division is led by a man who was previously CEO of RB Salzburg. I don't think he will sack Christian all that soon, knowing that sports have changing eras and falls happen after a period of dominance.
The football analogy is a bit misleading, because the new manager brings with him a new backroom staff (assistant, coach, physio, etc) so that has more opportunity to change results. Whereas a new Ferrari ‘boss’ will probably have to work with the same colleagues as Binotto, unless he receives the backing of the board & can hire/fire…
Ferrari's F1 team needs more freedom to move on their own. Team principals themselves know what they need and what they want to get from a team, so the decision making of what to do should be left to them. The pressure from Ferrari's higher-ups is more like kick in the back gesture than the arm around the shoulder gesture. Toto and Christian got most of the resources they wanted from their own management and then were left to their own devices because their management trusts them that they'll get stuff done.
Like horner in 2006 made one call to Mateschitz and was like "Neweys gonna cost more than I thought he's 10M a year" Mateschitz paused then said "ok that can be done"
Speaking as a Tifosi, we are slipping into the poisonous political infighting and games we saw in the 80s and early 90s. We need a Jean Todt capable of building a wall around the team and weeding out the dead wood.
I am surprised they didn’t just downgrade him to a more technical role as thats the only aspect they did well in 2022 and something he has history in. And put a businessman with f1 knowledge in there not a lower Ferrari employee.
Yup, I agree, this is not the first team boss change or the first time they failed, this will go on and on, sorry Charles and Carlos but I bet Seb will tell you, it's not gonna happen there.
You don't exactly need a charismatic Team Principal to avoid screw-ups like not bringing all 4 tires to a pit-stop, or sending a driver out on intermediates when everyone else is on slicks. You just need someone with common sense who takes pride in their work.
Todt had largely free hands and mind and had all the responsibility, combined with the German efficiency of Michael Schumacher and Ross Brawn who as an Englishman was the perfect bridge between Todt and Schumacher, Ferrari were unbeatable for 5 years. Only in 2003 the championship was tight when Schumacher became a champion by a single point margin.
@@NIKOLAP7 Rory Byrne was a brilliant car designer too and was South African! I think Ferrari needs to do a Lamborghini and let other nationalities (i.e. Germans) take over the team. Then to keep the Italians happy let them do the stickers 😁.
It's all about the trajectory of the team. RBR started well and kept getting better. MERC had a terrible start but eventually turned it around. Ferrari started great but the trajectory throughout the year was downward.
Binotto would have survived still with 2nd place, but it is the way Red bull totally demolished them on the last races that might have sealed the his fate.
I could be wrong because I'm only basing this around my loose interpretation of how Ferrari operates. I don't think it's necessarily the top management that is the fundamental flaw, even though this video makes a good point that I have to agree with. But for me it seems to be the way Ferrari, much like many companies in other businesses, are promoting people within their hierarchy. If a guy on the production line is good at his craft, he eventually gets promoted to a better/higher position. From there he will progress up the ladder and in Ferraris case perhaps end up in the F1 race team. But just because someone is good at their craft doesn't make them good at leading others in that craft. And a F1 team has to be built entirely with the right person for the job in every position. You can't get that if you are promoting only internally when you are competing against the best in the world. Or simply put; all the best of Italy can never beat all the best of the rest of the world.
Small detail, but I think relevant. I am a Brazilian who has followed the sport for the past 56 years, and have seen a few things, attending several races in Brazil, Europe, and in North America. The person who does the on track transmission for Brazilian TV, a smart, knowledgeable, charming, and funny woman called Mariana Becker is fairly well known on the paddock, and while the cars are lined up on the grid before a race with everyone, including celebrities strolling around between gear and mechanics, ms. Becker interviews people, especially team principals. All of them, except Binotto, answer her single question (she knows not to overextended herself), and one in particular, Zak Brown allows her quite a lot of time, which makes me wonder if he has a crush on her... : ⁰ ) but Binotto inevitably seems sour, arrogant, and she makes a point of asking him for a word at every race, and inevitably gets a shake of the head and not even a word. Even Arrivabene was more affable with her in the past. Anyhow, I beleve Binotto will not leave Ferrari, but go back to the technical engine job he had always done.
Binotto would still be in the role had he not repeatedly failed to make clear logical & rapid strategy decisions. He dithered and whilst a great engineer, was never team boss material.
@@SparkyOne549 All the other rival team bosses have a huge input on Strategy. He and his pitwall guys were guarranteed to make the wrong call every time. You leave the strategists to it only if they show competence, which they didn't.
I always felt that Binotto was more a do-er than a thinker. He never looked comfortable as Team Principle. I liked Arrivabene, at first, but Marchionne brought that old Ferrari "win or die" mentality back into the team, and that was that. I think that Ferrari needs to look at the team, as a whole, and see what the problems are, rather than just firing, or making team principles leave. The Ferrari Strategy department needs a few written warnings, for sure, but some of the blame for the team's woes has to go to Charles LeClerc too. I hope Fred Vasseur takes the top job though.
P2 qualifying Monaco. P6 in the race. Enough said.
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I agree with what was said; however, it is good to point out that throughout the season, the same big names that are now criticising the volatility in the Ferrari F1 team were also saying that Binotto was not fit for the task. You can't call for a better team manager and then criticise the team when they are doing so. But yes, the major problem with Ferrari is how the team (and the company) is exposed to outside influences. But those calling for a new Todt should try to remember what this will mean: Public communication close to 0. With Jean Todt, nothing was said, no objective was outlined, they were not commenting on their future evolutions... almost nothing. Something like Austria 2002? JT never explained it and never tried to find excuses. Quoting a famous character: He did what he thought was necessary and never lost one minute of sleep on his decisions. This was efficient but not pleasant to see.
James Allison of Mercedes, Aldo Costa of Mercedes were all at Ferrari before that. They’ve done incredible work in terms of car design, parts innovations etc.,. But their success stopped by 2008 (well for Aldo, James joined later). They got sacked fast too. They went on to win so much at Mercedes. Red Bull took McLaren legends Newey and a few other noteworthy people that Adrian wanted to bring in. Things were allowed to happen. Those teams are now the stuff of legends.
Elkann said he wants Ferrari to copy the Red Bull leadership structure. With one figure focusing on protecting the team from politics (Helmut) and the other focusing on the racing (Horner).
Ferrari management is out of touch with it's racing team. While Mercedes Benz and Redbull have a much better managed f1 project. Oh how the tables have turned😂
They need a driver who can bring the team together. That's missing with both drivers currently. There has been speculation that leclerc camp forced Mattia's departure. If that's the case, he will surely not win a wdc with Ferrari. Do keep in mind if Fredric is coming, he hasn't been successful as well in bringing sauber/alfa to top of the midfield leave alone the top 3. This seems like backwards step and with Audi entering soon, I won't be surprised if ferrari are pushed to midfield like McLaren and replaced by them.
I love how everyone called for Mattia Bonito's head. As soon as the man was sacked everyone's acting like it was some kind of catastrophe like they shouldn't have done it
Honestly Binotto had to go , they have had so many strategic error and has not taken any responsibility. The loss of faith from Leclerc is the biggest telling point
I think Ferrari as a team failed together in 2022. The car was the best on the grid at season start yet by seasons end it had been out upgraded by Red-Bull and probably Mercedes. The poor team strategies pretty much came as a reaction to being slower and slower versus their rivals. (And they never really got on top of tyre degradation).
The amount of major mistakes consistently made by Ferrari during the last season was not acceptable for a top level racing team and it cost them the title, sadly the boss has to take the hit for that. Binotto had to go.
None of this is new or surprising to anyone who follows F1 but it's seldom been said any clearer or more succinctly. No organization can succeed when the boss isn't really the boss, when the management structure is always on the hot seat and when it turns over every couple of years. That kind of thing has never been anything other than a recipe for failure.
And as on 13.12.22, Frederick Vasseur has been confirmed to leave Alfa Romeo next month. With the rumors circling around before the end of the season, it is falling into place...only a matter of time before we see him in full red instead of shades of red and white...
Why is everyone surprised when Ferrari was a laughing stock almost whole season with their beginners mistakes and no one brave enough to point out or accept the blame for what they did? I understand that it's better to have team boss decide about everything but it has to be someone who is qualified. It's Ferrari ffs. Not many people can run the team and meet the expectations, especially now that Merc and RB are so dominant in last years.
Something had to give. Binotto had assembled the car and the team that had so many problems this year. The bad strategy calls and unreliability. Yes, this was 1st year with new rules, but then again it was 1st year with new rules. What better time for the team principal of 3 years to put the team on the top of the standings.
A big point not made is the Ferrari Team Principal is not only weaker than other Team Principals because he is vulnerable from a fickle higher leadership, he is also weaker because the department heads below him know his position is temporary and are both willing to disregard his decisions and wait out his time at the top, and deliberately undermine the Team Principal in an effort to take his role or work toward that goal. This has always been the Ferrari way, over twenty years of underperformance before the Todt/Brawn/Schumacher era, and now 15 years since the effects of that dynasty ended with Kimi's title and Todts departure. We've all seen what it takes for Ferrari to be successful, all they have to do is stop acting like Ferrari. They can't do it.
Those outside a situation can see what those inside cannot. Not just on racing. I see it in many sports. Top guys with.little real knowledge of the sport ruin it. A good company ceo does not mace a good race team ceo. The real ferrari was when ceo understood f1. His name was enzo, his passion was racing, he sold cars only to pay for racing. Company decisions never took priority over decisions on racing. To win you must base all decisions on racing, company must run as total separate entity. Look at any winning team in any motor sport, they may be owned by a company but totally run as separate entity.
I think there is another more overlooked reason for why Ferarri does things its own way. And for that one we need to look to why did Ferarri join F1? The answer to that question is quite simple: Sell (more) Cars. Nothing wrong with that idea, keep in mind Ferrari joined F1 as one of the first teams and stayed in it since that moment. Mercedes has some history in the sport as well, but left when they couldnt pay for F1 with the profit of the sold street cars. The Merc team we know now is a part of mercedes, not mercedez. Its results arent that important for selling cars. Of course they joined to win, but if not its not Merc self its gonna feel the pain. Same story for Red Bull. They joined the sport cuz the former owner loved extreme sports. And f1 is the extremest of them all. So as long as the team(s) can achieve some “extreme results” (read: Win some impossible races, create interesting promo’s etc) there was nothing to lose. Aka the mindset of why teams are in F1 has changed the last few years and Ferrari, cuz it never leaved and with that they never changed their “Why are we in F1” is stuck with this team structure… In my opinion there is only 1 option to change this: Ferarri F1 needs to be (partly) sold. And with that happening its will become (partly) its own entity that can do great things for the Ferrari brand, but cant be judged on how much street cars sold in a year
Like the Schumacher days, they need outside talent too. Bringing in a bold American or someone who isn’t Italian will change up their attitude and change the game a little
Sadly, the "football mentality" has been in F1 for quite a while now, especially within the community and media. Always these extremes. I think Binotto is better at the tech stuff, so I think it was failure on Ferrari's behalf that they failed to convince him to stay or take another position within the team. TBH, I think it was a mistake to fire Arrivabene too. But such is Ferrari, the Konami of F1.
If Ferrari moved their whole operation to the U.K. they might stand a chance within the next five years. Prior to that I can see McLaren and Aston Martin moving up level and then overtaking Ferrari…
I dont think that the Ferrari change is intended to make the team wins 55 out of the next 23 races. Sacking Binotto and one-two guys in strategy would do the trick: that is it not embarassing themselves
@@haroldwilson8081 Well, there was the certainty tha Binotto and company were stil doing silly mistakes into the end of the season. It would take a lot of effort to repeat those same errors.
If the history of Ferrari is written accurately, St. Enzo said that the reason for the sale of Ferrari road cars was to finance his racing efforts, specifically the F~1 program. In other words, the business model was, Racing first. While it wasn't the most prudent business model for the balance sheet or the Fortune 500 companies list. But ask yourself, do you really think that St. Enzo gave a damn about making the Fortune 500 list, or winning Championships❓BTW, remember when Fredric Vasseur was asked to address the rumors of him replacing Mattio as Team Principal?
devils advocate. Have a tough time thinking of any other team on the grid that showed the same level of disorganization and poor decision making. Great leaders take complicated situations and make decisions that in hind sight look obvious and effortless. Ferrari was a long way from that last year. Also bringing in someone new doesn't guarantee they will disrupt the entire team, although I do acknowledge this often happens. Good leaders come in and understand both the problems, but also identify the things the team does really well before making changes. Ferrari needs to hire someone with strong leadership, who can handle the immense amount of pressure.
There is clearly more pressure at Ferrari than everywhere else, but I couldn't believe what shot out of Binoto's mouth every times they clearly made a mistake. And although the mistakes where not necessarily Binoto fault directly, the fact that he was always in deny, which would have been fine if it was only his public opinion (opposed to his private one), but seeing how Ferrari kept repeating the same mistakes during the season tend to make us believe he sincerely believed there wasn't any problem and did nothing about it. It's a shame because, getting Ferrari to battle for the title (at least for a while) was an achievement in itself. But people begun to ask for more, and he couldn't deliver. I hope Vasseur will be chosen as he is known to not restreint himself and being very critical of himselft or the ones he works with.
The two top dogs in Ferrari should or rather MUST follow the managerial structures of RB & Merc and appoint a dedicated senior executive at the f1 team... you can't manage the team when all of you have on the Plate is make money for the company... Fred Vasseur can fill that role as he has experience managing a race team that would formulate a clear Direction for the team away from corporate politics and bullshittery
Gazetta dello sport seem to scare all the Ferrari team bosses on a level a newspaper shouldn't be able to. It's ridiculous to be intimidated by a rag. The only guy who didn't seem to cower to them was Jean Todt.
Binotto was never a team principle in the first place. They promoted to stop him from leaving. However, their culture and strategy is way off for a modern F1 team. They have to change their internal operations to dominate again.
The lack of faith in the greatest racing team in history is disturbing. Sure their method might have not worked well recently but in the grand scheme of things they are the blueprint of how to be a great racing team. What they need is someone with a pair of balls to standup to the said CEO and Chairman. Someone like Jean who will be like this is how we are gonna do things and you need to sit back and be quiet to let the experts do what they do.
Toto Wolff got the benefit of the team mentality constructed at the foundation by Lauda, Brawn and Schumacher (along with Costa, an apprentice of Byrne) - and all their knowledge from years at FERRARI with Todt. How did Wolff fix the bad car and bad strategy calls from 2021/2022? He couldn't, because his success was built on the work of other men, and he doesn't know how to achieve results without spending his way out of the problem. And Brawn's book implied that Wolff forced him out. Funny how he always has an opinion on Red Bull and Ferrari, though.
Hearing someone with an English accent say that four years isn't enough time for "any leader to make a real imprint" really illustrates how unimportant soccer managers must be
look where ferrari was when binotto became TP and where it is now its clearly a improvement ferrari needs a new strategist and some luck not a new team principal and that comming from a red bull fan ...
The last thing any sports team, specifically a motorsports team needs is bean counters and suits interfering. U hire smart, capable ppl u trust, and let them do the job u hired them to do. Every sports team where the owner (and their ego) is front and center (cowboys, raiders, mavs, yankees, ect) fails spectacularly every year and the blame game follows immediately.
I appreciate the effort that was put into this video and its quality. That said, we haven't learned anything knew! Binotto was sacked... Ok, we knew that. Ferrari is riddled with internal politics. Ok, everyone knows that one. Ferrari needs to change. Yes, we know that! RBR and Mercedes have been having a stable management. Yes, we have seen that as well. My point is that making a video solely for the point of its revenue is not what F1 fans need. There are a million little known things that could be explained in the sacred 8-10 minute video mark. Come on guys... You can do better. That's why we prefer this channel above others of the same genre.
It s even more strange since all the others Ferrari GT and now Le Mans categories are part of a different racing department, with Antonio Coletta at the Top , who has pretty much the kind of power portrayed in the video. And Guess what , they re reaching successes in series. So There s also an internal example they should look at to improve the F1 structure
I wonder how good Ferrari is in WEC next year
@@swordsman1137 Ferrari in 2023 WEC maybe suffered the same fate like Peugeot Hypercar. Down at the bottom end.
Because AF Corse is much more indipendent from the central company.
@@purwantiallan5089 Not really since Peugeot had no experience with hybrid systems. Ferrari has more than enough experience since they are in F1, using the hybrid system. Sure it may be different but they have experience something that Peugeot did not have.
@@purwantiallan5089 It's a BoP class and the Peugeot is not far from the Toyota in performance. It's a new car ofc so they need to get some things right first. Ferrari won't be far away either. Even without the BoP these cars would be very close to each other, some good points from LMP1H are there and those were the best regulations in modern motorsport.
To be honest, I was surprised Ferrari sacked Binotto. The team beat Mercedes in 2022 and was clearly improving. They developed a very competitive car, they have a great pair of drivers and things were looking up. Sure, strategy was bad, but that's something a team can work on. For all his flaws, Binotto earned one more season.
2019....penalized thereafter took them out of contention for next 2 years.
The big problem is that strategy has been evidently bad from at least 2020, and the first signs probably appeared earlier.
He should have used the two years during which they had a bad car to fix this before they had a race-winning car again.
Mercedes failed themselves more than Ferrari beat them.
@@Olivyay the thing is, 2020-21 they have bad car. So no one sure if their strategic is always bad.
Fast car always reveal operational weakness.
How did they beat Mercedes?they had a better car than merc and even couldn’t lock a win at Brazil
They can’t even capitalise points or win from damage limitation of their competitors
You can't work on any problem if you are in denial. And Mercedes beat themselves.
But yeah, Ferrari's problems are deeper than Binotto.
Trigger happy management. Same as in youtube comments. As soon as people are not happy with some decisions the response is the same: "he needs to go". Binotto delivered his targets. Still he didn't get the management support. You're correct. This will never end.
He delivered on some targets but his management has been flawed very often. I think mainly denying that anything needed to change and not taking action to prevent more mistakes.
@@thomassnowball6374 Inaki Rueda had connection with Ferrari's exec on top.. He is the head strategist who F'ed up Vettel's strategy to Lecrec's strategy now.. And his position somehow is still secure because of his Connection..
Binotto couldn't change anything if his boss on top didn't agree with him, so Binotto basically just saying what his boss told him to say that nothing needs to be changed..
People keeps saying that Binotto delivered targets, what did he deliver? In the hybrid era he was mostly doing engineering stuff and in 2014 engine was a disaster, it took them 3 years to catch up and the failed against mercedes despite having at least as much of a competitive car. In 2019 there was the engine suspects of being illegal and this year despite having the best car (in the first races) he failed massively at developing it and giving leadership to the team with those errors...
@@naufalpahlevi8976exactly. I'm not a football fan, but it's not worked well for teams that have overeaching executives that control everything. Leave it to the experts to run the team. Ferrari are upsetting an upwards trend with a manager that protected his team from salty fans and journalists.
Agreed.
Montezemolo was the perfect Board Level Management because he understood that he needed to get out of Todts way.
But todt delivered with a decent car amd Championships fights from the start..binotto killed the Championships fights at the 7th race
Not really - he essentially succeeded in forcing Schumacher to retire a year early because he wanted Kimi in the team instead.
@@aaryanramesh7761 you do understand that there's a difference between the mid 90s and mid 2000s, right?
@@romansmusic1722 1996 and 2022 also.
@@danielcaprioli8946 yep. Binotto ruined Ferrari.
Look at how long Horner has been in charge at RB (their success started relatively early, too. But Ferrari would have got rid of him halfway through the team's development), and Wolff at Mercedes. There's a reason both teams have won everything going since 2010. Ferrari's greatest days were in the 50s and during the Brawn/Todt and Schumacher era - and stability played a major role in it.
Guess what's coming down the track at Ferrari!
(Edit: posted this before it was said on the video, which must mean I'm not that wrong!)
Horner is far more successful than Binotto.
70s also, not only 50s
Wolff had Mercedes built from the ground up by Brawn, Lauda, Schumacher and Costa (apprentice to Byrne) as well as buying up Ilmor and making it HPP before he got there. Even the technical team will tell you the big breakthrough was with the design of 2013 car, which happened in 2012. And we've seen in 2021 and 2022 that he can't fix a team when he can't spend his way out. He just complains to the FIA until the ban something for other teams.
@@Ruylopez778 I think you're ignoring the progress Mercedes made throughout this season
@@seanonraet8327 They didn't though.
2021: They were helped by the FIA changing pit gun rules, changing wing tests, changing tyre pressures, and using extra ICE for performance.
2022: They were helped by the FIA TD, which slowed up Ferrari, and most of their podiums were down to Ferrari or RB mistakes or unreliability.
All they did was realise what went wrong with their design, save weight and add a front wing that later got banned for outwash. Mexico and Brazil suited their car, which was lighter, with the front wing that got banned.
They still made poor decisions with strategy. The car didn't get any better to drive overall, they were still complaining about it.
Its amazing to see such a big company incapable of seeing the disaster in the making. Old-fashioned rules, policies and practices just makes the team more rigid, stale and fragile.
Unless a huge change takes place in the higher positions of Ferrari, I doubt the F1 team is ever gonna win consistently.
Ferrari, Aston Martin, Alpine, and Renault Sport F1 2020 ever seen that.
Pasta. Too much pasta!
That’s Ferrari for ya. Too Italian for their own good
Italian companies are some of the worst places to work at. And Ferrari epitomises this.
Ferrari’s 2023 season is already lost even before it’s begun: a new team principal means next year Ferrari will be more busy with themselves that with racing. Also, Binotto was technical chef. He led the engine development. Who’s going to lead it now and what can they deliver in 2023? I reckon hardly anything.
After working for the german branch of a larger italian company for a couple of years this is exactly what I felt for quit some time now.
In the beginning everything was fine as we were mostly self governed with the italian HQ only checking in once or twice per year. But over time more and more deciscions were made in italy without trying to understand or learn our part of the buisness (the company produced automatisations for gates, doors and windows and the german branch was solely responsible for indusrial products). Than when tey fired our local boss and hired a guy from italy who didn't even worked for the company bevor it really went downhill. Key personal left or were fired because they couldn't work with our new boss, customers went away cause our internal organistion went haywire after said personal left and even after one year in the position our new boss (who was also responsible for sales) still didn't know how our products worked or what they could do. So instead of doing my job as a service technician (actually THE service technician towards the end) I constantly had to explain to him what kind product a customer wanted when they send inquiries to him.
I'd say it was ridiculess if it hadn't led to an acutall burnout on my part. So yeah, rather impactfull live lesson for me and I fell with every (F1) Ferrari employe ever since. Watching F1 reminded me of this time way too often.
You are saying Italian companies are the worst places to work at based on two examples? I think most people found quite the opposite working with Italians I found it much easier and relaxed than my previous experiences
No, it’s not based on just this example, but my personal experience.
Italian people are very nice to be with, but not very good to work with. Esp. for people like me who are more Nordic/methodic in their way of working.
What the fuck are you talking about? Ferrari was voted several times as one of the best places to work in Europe. It is incredible the amount of bullshit that come up when Ferrari is involved. You know nothing and want to teach a huge fucking company which makes more and more billions every year how to manage their stuff. C'mon dude this is ridiculous.
The revolving doors at Ferrari can mean one of two things:
1. There is a fundamental structural issue that prevents talented team bosses from fully exploiting the realms resources.
2. The board keeps hiring the wrong people, over and over.
In both cases, this is on the higher-ups.
The best part of being a Ferrari fan is when you stop being a Ferrari fan and are no longer part of that abusive relationship. Would love to see Binotto at another team.
Binotto go to Alpine?
@mgi 12321 hopefully aston is slowly building and will be a powerhouse in a few years if they keep it up and daddy stroll keeps out of the day to day running/ design
If you stop being a fan, you were never a fan to begin with. Passion is not rational and it's not something that can be controlled. You can't decide to stop being a fan of something and you definetely don't stop being a fan out of nowhere
@@purwantiallan5089 Given the toxicity that is present over there despite their progress, I'm not sure that would be a better spot.
What's incredibly frustrating is that we can all see this and know they need stability, and yet Ferrari's leaders cant or wont.
Thank you. That is what I thought a long time. Marchionne management style and structure of Ferrari going public has truly changed Ferrari back.
Marchionne still better than Binotto.
That structure has always been with the team, even when Enzo was still alive.
Marchionne was trying to change it, recreating the same shield with Vettel and Arrivabene, but passed away before it could be completed and solidified.
Don't think it'll ever change, seems like the jean todt era was the anomaly, in a team that historically underachieves
That anomaly was called Michael Schumacher being the real boss, a german BOSS.
"A team that storically underachieves", Yeah sure it's not like all historical teams are struggling and it's not like only 2 teams have won a championship in the last 12 years, right? I mean Williams has done amazingly since the 90s, right? Lotus literally disappeared and Mclaren wouldn't have won a single race in a decade if it wasn't for Ricciardo's fortunate win at Monza in 2021. But sure, let's pretend that it's just one team underachieving while all the others are doing great. Ferrari is the ONLY historical team to still be competitive
"A team that historically underachieves" Mmmm, how many teams were the most winning team in three different decades (50s, 75-84, and 00s) and hold all the possible records in F1? You have no idea what you are talking about.
@@francescoceleri4894 It's amazing how Ferrari has been light years better than all other historical teams in the past 20 years and yet the Brits will only focus on Ferrari's ""underachieving""
The greatest irony for me in F1 is that Ferrari receive a bonus payment each year for being a "legacy team" (or something simiarly named), where they get a fat bit of extra money just for having been around the longest, and yet with that, they're still unable to really contend for the top cus of all these other problems.
The Agnelli family was and still is to a lesser extent a cancer over all of Italy, Ferrari still lives in their toxic shadow.
John Elkann, the grandson of Gianni Agnelli is the CEO of the holding company that controls a major stake in Ferrari, do you think he has that position because he is world class?
Nepotism is bad, but in results driven environments it is disastrous.
John Barnard and Rory Byrne was also involved in Ferrari's successful run of championships during the Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Michael Schumacher Era.
Its sad that these two key figures do not get the attention they deserve for that success.
@@kwl189Engineering nerds don't receive that much of a praise and attention they really deserve 😔 I guess even today a big % of people will know who Horner is - how many will actually know who Newey is? And he is probably the most recognized of all designers and tech directors still active in the paddock
Todt-Brawn-Schumi era: Ross Brawn said the following: “Michael [Schumacher], you have 19 laps to pull out 25 seconds. We need 19 qualifying laps from you.” To which the German responded with a 'thank you. '
Current SF: Charles what do you think about Plan alphabet?
perfect comment
@@domenicocusumano Even Sainz told them to "stop inventing" during British GP
What in the world is Elkann wearing at 6:03? 🤣🤣
He is italian and they love their fashion. Who knows.
obviously quite far away from his grand father's elegance
2:49 - You can notice that Mattia was the one that witnessed the four being forced out. He just beat Ferrari at their own game. I bet they still wanted him to do one season whilst they look for replacement in the shadows.
Honest I think the upper echelons are definitely aware of everything mentioned in the video. They just don’t care about winning as much as their grasp of power within the organization
The FIA keeps on changing rules mid-season (TD39 introduced in Belgium was the main example this year), literally only 2 teams have won a championship in the past 12 years and all historical teams are struggling. But sure, let's pretend that it's just Ferrari having issues
Let's be real. Ferrari is the most overrated team in F1 history. They're only the most successful team because of 2 things. They're by far the longest running team in F1 history and their numbers got a huge boost through the Schumacher/Todt/Brawn partnership. Their last 2 (3) titles depending on how you look at the 2007 constructors' were still heavily influenced by those 3 people. Since 2009 it went downhill. They came close a few times or at some point in the year seemed to be but ultimately it was never enough.
After watching this i can say as a ferrari fan there is no hope for ferrari if the higher powers keep interfering with the f1 team.
I really believe that even with the mistakes he made, Ferrari were way better off sticking with Binotto. He made steady progress, he understood the tech, he acknowledged issues and worked on them in a way that a lot of Ferrari team bosses have failed to do. I think they could have kept being title contenders in this era, but now I'd bet they fall to a distant third behind RB and Mercedes.
Thoughtful critique, challenging F1's powerful entities, and solid analysis pointing toward the future. More videos like this please.
This is the best video that explains how these F1 teams functions under management level, it is astonishing that Ferrari was able to survive the new era of F1 under these circumstances
when horner wanted Newey, Mateschitz signed the check no questions asked (10M a year btw) with full faith, they just need to trust the process
Very true comments - can they ever change this?
Look at what the stability and empowerment of Toto and Christian have achieved !
Italians will be Italian !
Binotto moved to Alfa Romeo i think since he is Italian.
Toto has the benefit of having a major ownership stake in Mercedes. So he isn’t just a principle, he’s 33% part owner. So he has a benefit of having a good sway on the board. Top that with winning championships since he became principle (thanks to Brawn’s building of the teams foundations), and his position is solidified.
Christian had the benefit of being a multi-championship principle as well, so he holds more weight. However now that Dietrich has passed, if Red Bull has another downturn on performance his position might be threatened in the future.
@@philipbarton3456 The new management for the RB sports division is led by a man who was previously CEO of RB Salzburg. I don't think he will sack Christian all that soon, knowing that sports have changing eras and falls happen after a period of dominance.
The football analogy is a bit misleading, because the new manager brings with him a new backroom staff (assistant, coach, physio, etc) so that has more opportunity to change results. Whereas a new Ferrari ‘boss’ will probably have to work with the same colleagues as Binotto, unless he receives the backing of the board & can hire/fire…
Ferrari's F1 team needs more freedom to move on their own. Team principals themselves know what they need and what they want to get from a team, so the decision making of what to do should be left to them. The pressure from Ferrari's higher-ups is more like kick in the back gesture than the arm around the shoulder gesture. Toto and Christian got most of the resources they wanted from their own management and then were left to their own devices because their management trusts them that they'll get stuff done.
Ferrari gotten rust since Binotto destroyed Ferrari in 2022.
Like horner in 2006 made one call to Mateschitz and was like "Neweys gonna cost more than I thought he's 10M a year" Mateschitz paused then said "ok that can be done"
Even when they haven’t got rid of the team boss they’ve always found someone to blame for failures. There’s always a scapegoat who gets released
Just like football managers.
Speaking as a Tifosi, we are slipping into the poisonous political infighting and games we saw in the 80s and early 90s.
We need a Jean Todt capable of building a wall around the team and weeding out the dead wood.
Todt still far better than Binotto honestly.
I am surprised they didn’t just downgrade him to a more technical role as thats the only aspect they did well in 2022 and something he has history in. And put a businessman with f1 knowledge in there not a lower Ferrari employee.
Yup, I agree, this is not the first team boss change or the first time they failed, this will go on and on, sorry Charles and Carlos but I bet Seb will tell you, it's not gonna happen there.
Ferrari maybe doomed into the backfield in 2023 even if they sack Binotto.
The fundamental problem has a name: Inaki Roueda, chief strategist. He has to be fucking fired yesterday.
You don't exactly need a charismatic Team Principal to avoid screw-ups like not bringing all 4 tires to a pit-stop, or sending a driver out on intermediates when everyone else is on slicks. You just need someone with common sense who takes pride in their work.
If the new head doesn’t fire the strategy team within a month of taking over expect their fortunes to continue
I just want to thank the race for referring to this as his retirement, the guys at wtf1 keep saying SACKED and it really gets on my nerves
Ferrari were also allowed to test non-stop at maranello during the Todt era.
Todt had largely free hands and mind and had all the responsibility, combined with the German efficiency of Michael Schumacher and Ross Brawn who as an Englishman was the perfect bridge between Todt and Schumacher, Ferrari were unbeatable for 5 years. Only in 2003 the championship was tight when Schumacher became a champion by a single point margin.
@@NIKOLAP7 Rory Byrne was a brilliant car designer too and was South African! I think Ferrari needs to do a Lamborghini and let other nationalities (i.e. Germans) take over the team. Then to keep the Italians happy let them do the stickers 😁.
It's all about the trajectory of the team. RBR started well and kept getting better. MERC had a terrible start but eventually turned it around. Ferrari started great but the trajectory throughout the year was downward.
Binotto would have survived still with 2nd place, but it is the way Red bull totally demolished them on the last races that might have sealed the his fate.
And not fixing the strategy issues which got even worse after Monaco.
@@mich722 Losing Monaco after locking out the front row and loosing to the Red Bull second driver as well was too much for the Ferrari board.
Ferrari, right now, is working just like when Prost was racing for it.
And he said how that ruined everything.
I could be wrong because I'm only basing this around my loose interpretation of how Ferrari operates. I don't think it's necessarily the top management that is the fundamental flaw, even though this video makes a good point that I have to agree with. But for me it seems to be the way Ferrari, much like many companies in other businesses, are promoting people within their hierarchy. If a guy on the production line is good at his craft, he eventually gets promoted to a better/higher position. From there he will progress up the ladder and in Ferraris case perhaps end up in the F1 race team. But just because someone is good at their craft doesn't make them good at leading others in that craft. And a F1 team has to be built entirely with the right person for the job in every position. You can't get that if you are promoting only internally when you are competing against the best in the world. Or simply put; all the best of Italy can never beat all the best of the rest of the world.
Small detail, but I think relevant. I am a Brazilian who has followed the sport for the past 56 years, and have seen a few things, attending several races in Brazil, Europe, and in North America. The person who does the on track transmission for Brazilian TV, a smart, knowledgeable, charming, and funny woman called Mariana Becker is fairly well known on the paddock, and while the cars are lined up on the grid before a race with everyone, including celebrities strolling around between gear and mechanics, ms. Becker interviews people, especially team principals. All of them, except Binotto, answer her single question (she knows not to overextended herself), and one in particular, Zak Brown allows her quite a lot of time, which makes me wonder if he has a crush on her... : ⁰ ) but Binotto inevitably seems sour, arrogant, and she makes a point of asking him for a word at every race, and inevitably gets a shake of the head and not even a word. Even Arrivabene was more affable with her in the past. Anyhow, I beleve Binotto will not leave Ferrari, but go back to the technical engine job he had always done.
Yep. For that its relevant.
Good to have a video with some meat to it! Agree with the sentiment. It's hard to build something when you're constantly tearing it apart...
Binotto would still be in the role had he not repeatedly failed to make clear logical & rapid strategy decisions. He dithered and whilst a great engineer, was never team boss material.
Binotto was not the strategist, he was the team boss, the strategist is the strategist.
@@SparkyOne549 All the other rival team bosses have a huge input on Strategy. He and his pitwall guys were guarranteed to make the wrong call every time. You leave the strategists to it only if they show competence, which they didn't.
it helps Toto's job security that he owns 40% of team.
I always felt that Binotto was more a do-er than a thinker. He never looked comfortable as Team Principle. I liked Arrivabene, at first, but Marchionne brought that old Ferrari "win or die" mentality back into the team, and that was that. I think that Ferrari needs to look at the team, as a whole, and see what the problems are, rather than just firing, or making team principles leave. The Ferrari Strategy department needs a few written warnings, for sure, but some of the blame for the team's woes has to go to Charles LeClerc too. I hope Fred Vasseur takes the top job though.
Binotto had a lot of time imo. Two seasons could have been victorious under his helm. A lot of strange strategic decisions this year during races.
6:55 - And also Brawn GP's championships in 2009 which are ironic !
0:34 the guy on the right getting his lil pose ready
P2 qualifying Monaco. P6 in the race. Enough said.
I agree with what was said; however, it is good to point out that throughout the season, the same big names that are now criticising the volatility in the Ferrari F1 team were also saying that Binotto was not fit for the task. You can't call for a better team manager and then criticise the team when they are doing so. But yes, the major problem with Ferrari is how the team (and the company) is exposed to outside influences. But those calling for a new Todt should try to remember what this will mean: Public communication close to 0. With Jean Todt, nothing was said, no objective was outlined, they were not commenting on their future evolutions... almost nothing. Something like Austria 2002? JT never explained it and never tried to find excuses. Quoting a famous character: He did what he thought was necessary and never lost one minute of sleep on his decisions. This was efficient but not pleasant to see.
James Allison of Mercedes, Aldo Costa of Mercedes were all at Ferrari before that. They’ve done incredible work in terms of car design, parts innovations etc.,. But their success stopped by 2008 (well for Aldo, James joined later). They got sacked fast too. They went on to win so much at Mercedes. Red Bull took McLaren legends Newey and a few other noteworthy people that Adrian wanted to bring in. Things were allowed to happen. Those teams are now the stuff of legends.
Elkann said he wants Ferrari to copy the Red Bull leadership structure. With one figure focusing on protecting the team from politics (Helmut) and the other focusing on the racing (Horner).
Ferrari management is out of touch with it's racing team.
While Mercedes Benz and Redbull have a much better managed f1 project.
Oh how the tables have turned😂
Hey, as long everyone is Italian, who needs a trophy 🤡
They need a driver who can bring the team together. That's missing with both drivers currently. There has been speculation that leclerc camp forced Mattia's departure. If that's the case, he will surely not win a wdc with Ferrari.
Do keep in mind if Fredric is coming, he hasn't been successful as well in bringing sauber/alfa to top of the midfield leave alone the top 3. This seems like backwards step and with Audi entering soon, I won't be surprised if ferrari are pushed to midfield like McLaren and replaced by them.
I love how everyone called for Mattia Bonito's head. As soon as the man was sacked everyone's acting like it was some kind of catastrophe like they shouldn't have done it
Finally someone that is saying this. F1 fans are completely crazy tbh.
Honestly Binotto had to go , they have had so many strategic error and has not taken any responsibility. The loss of faith from Leclerc is the biggest telling point
Their dominant period now feels like a weight on their backs. Every Team Principal will be compared to them
The long team promble was all ready there …id*t
I think Ferrari as a team failed together in 2022. The car was the best on the grid at season start yet by seasons end it had been out upgraded by Red-Bull and probably Mercedes. The poor team strategies pretty much came as a reaction to being slower and slower versus their rivals. (And they never really got on top of tyre degradation).
The amount of major mistakes consistently made by Ferrari during the last season was not acceptable for a top level racing team and it cost them the title, sadly the boss has to take the hit for that. Binotto had to go.
None of this is new or surprising to anyone who follows F1 but it's seldom been said any clearer or more succinctly.
No organization can succeed when the boss isn't really the boss, when the management structure is always on the hot seat and when it turns over every couple of years. That kind of thing has never been anything other than a recipe for failure.
And as on 13.12.22, Frederick Vasseur has been confirmed to leave Alfa Romeo next month. With the rumors circling around before the end of the season, it is falling into place...only a matter of time before we see him in full red instead of shades of red and white...
Ferrari needs to stray away from the " All Italian philosophy " It's clearly not working.
so true, they are acting like the early 1990s ferrari!
Strategy, strategy, strategy!
Different ideas.... At the Worst of times. Not enough Team cohesion!!!
You seem to know. Apply for the job to restructure their team.
Why is everyone surprised when Ferrari was a laughing stock almost whole season with their beginners mistakes and no one brave enough to point out or accept the blame for what they did?
I understand that it's better to have team boss decide about everything but it has to be someone who is qualified.
It's Ferrari ffs. Not many people can run the team and meet the expectations, especially now that Merc and RB are so dominant in last years.
And how much does the media & fans negative feedback to the team weight on the CEO & Management decisions?
Something had to give. Binotto had assembled the car and the team that had so many problems this year. The bad strategy calls and unreliability. Yes, this was 1st year with new rules, but then again it was 1st year with new rules. What better time for the team principal of 3 years to put the team on the top of the standings.
A big point not made is the Ferrari Team Principal is not only weaker than other Team Principals because he is vulnerable from a fickle higher leadership, he is also weaker because the department heads below him know his position is temporary and are both willing to disregard his decisions and wait out his time at the top, and deliberately undermine the Team Principal in an effort to take his role or work toward that goal.
This has always been the Ferrari way, over twenty years of underperformance before the Todt/Brawn/Schumacher era, and now 15 years since the effects of that dynasty ended with Kimi's title and Todts departure.
We've all seen what it takes for Ferrari to be successful, all they have to do is stop acting like Ferrari. They can't do it.
Perhaps The Race and Sky Sports F1 should be joint team managers at F1 Ferrari, they obviously have all the answers.
Those outside a situation can see what those inside cannot. Not just on racing. I see it in many sports. Top guys with.little real knowledge of the sport ruin it. A good company ceo does not mace a good race team ceo. The real ferrari was when ceo understood f1. His name was enzo, his passion was racing, he sold cars only to pay for racing. Company decisions never took priority over decisions on racing. To win you must base all decisions on racing, company must run as total separate entity. Look at any winning team in any motor sport, they may be owned by a company but totally run as separate entity.
I think there is another more overlooked reason for why Ferarri does things its own way. And for that one we need to look to why did Ferarri join F1? The answer to that question is quite simple: Sell (more) Cars.
Nothing wrong with that idea, keep in mind Ferrari joined F1 as one of the first teams and stayed in it since that moment. Mercedes has some history in the sport as well, but left when they couldnt pay for F1 with the profit of the sold street cars. The Merc team we know now is a part of mercedes, not mercedez. Its results arent that important for selling cars. Of course they joined to win, but if not its not Merc self its gonna feel the pain.
Same story for Red Bull. They joined the sport cuz the former owner loved extreme sports. And f1 is the extremest of them all. So as long as the team(s) can achieve some “extreme results” (read: Win some impossible races, create interesting promo’s etc) there was nothing to lose. Aka the mindset of why teams are in F1 has changed the last few years and Ferrari, cuz it never leaved and with that they never changed their “Why are we in F1” is stuck with this team structure…
In my opinion there is only 1 option to change this: Ferarri F1 needs to be (partly) sold. And with that happening its will become (partly) its own entity that can do great things for the Ferrari brand, but cant be judged on how much street cars sold in a year
Not working on correcting simple things like strategy, was his downfall,
Like the Schumacher days, they need outside talent too. Bringing in a bold American or someone who isn’t Italian will change up their attitude and change the game a little
todt and brawn are out of contract, there is also a mick Schumacher.....
Sadly, the "football mentality" has been in F1 for quite a while now, especially within the community and media. Always these extremes. I think Binotto is better at the tech stuff, so I think it was failure on Ferrari's behalf that they failed to convince him to stay or take another position within the team.
TBH, I think it was a mistake to fire Arrivabene too. But such is Ferrari, the Konami of F1.
Really missing the ARAMCO ads now
If Ferrari moved their whole operation to the U.K. they might stand a chance within the next five years. Prior to that I can see McLaren and Aston Martin moving up level and then overtaking Ferrari…
I dont think that the Ferrari change is intended to make the team wins 55 out of the next 23 races. Sacking Binotto and one-two guys in strategy would do the trick: that is it not embarassing themselves
There is no gurantee of that.
@@haroldwilson8081 Well, there was the certainty tha Binotto and company were stil doing silly mistakes into the end of the season. It would take a lot of effort to repeat those same errors.
Alpine has the same issues as Ferrari.
If the history of Ferrari is written accurately, St. Enzo said that the reason for the sale of Ferrari road cars was to finance his racing efforts, specifically the F~1 program. In other words, the business model was, Racing first. While it wasn't the most prudent business model for the balance sheet or the Fortune 500 companies list. But ask yourself, do you really think that St. Enzo gave a damn about making the Fortune 500 list, or winning Championships❓BTW, remember when Fredric Vasseur was asked to address the rumors of him replacing Mattio as Team Principal?
devils advocate. Have a tough time thinking of any other team on the grid that showed the same level of disorganization and poor decision making. Great leaders take complicated situations and make decisions that in hind sight look obvious and effortless. Ferrari was a long way from that last year. Also bringing in someone new doesn't guarantee they will disrupt the entire team, although I do acknowledge this often happens. Good leaders come in and understand both the problems, but also identify the things the team does really well before making changes. Ferrari needs to hire someone with strong leadership, who can handle the immense amount of pressure.
There is clearly more pressure at Ferrari than everywhere else, but I couldn't believe what shot out of Binoto's mouth every times they clearly made a mistake. And although the mistakes where not necessarily Binoto fault directly, the fact that he was always in deny, which would have been fine if it was only his public opinion (opposed to his private one), but seeing how Ferrari kept repeating the same mistakes during the season tend to make us believe he sincerely believed there wasn't any problem and did nothing about it.
It's a shame because, getting Ferrari to battle for the title (at least for a while) was an achievement in itself. But people begun to ask for more, and he couldn't deliver.
I hope Vasseur will be chosen as he is known to not restreint himself and being very critical of himselft or the ones he works with.
The two top dogs in Ferrari should or rather MUST follow the managerial structures of RB & Merc and appoint a dedicated senior executive at the f1 team... you can't manage the team when all of you have on the Plate is make money for the company... Fred Vasseur can fill that role as he has experience managing a race team that would formulate a clear Direction for the team away from corporate politics and bullshittery
Its the culture. How does a team excel when its walking on holy eggshells? Great video. Kudos!
Gazetta dello sport seem to scare all the Ferrari team bosses on a level a newspaper shouldn't be able to. It's ridiculous to be intimidated by a rag. The only guy who didn't seem to cower to them was Jean Todt.
Binotto was never a team principle in the first place. They promoted to stop him from leaving. However, their culture and strategy is way off for a modern F1 team. They have to change their internal operations to dominate again.
The lack of faith in the greatest racing team in history is disturbing. Sure their method might have not worked well recently but in the grand scheme of things they are the blueprint of how to be a great racing team. What they need is someone with a pair of balls to standup to the said CEO and Chairman. Someone like Jean who will be like this is how we are gonna do things and you need to sit back and be quiet to let the experts do what they do.
That is why Horner turned down generous offer from Ferrari. It's not everything in the money.
The top bods should remember how long Jean Todt had to turn around Ferrari.
Exactly. He took 7 years to win.
Toto Wolff got the benefit of the team mentality constructed at the foundation by Lauda, Brawn and Schumacher (along with Costa, an apprentice of Byrne) - and all their knowledge from years at FERRARI with Todt. How did Wolff fix the bad car and bad strategy calls from 2021/2022? He couldn't, because his success was built on the work of other men, and he doesn't know how to achieve results without spending his way out of the problem. And Brawn's book implied that Wolff forced him out. Funny how he always has an opinion on Red Bull and Ferrari, though.
I liked the audio content and the voice-over style of this episode. It was both realistic yet still interesting. 👍
Ask Chelsea FC about changing bosses while maintaining a fairly consistent level of success tho.
Arrivabene as team boss with Binotto as head of engineering was the formula that they should have kept.
Hearing someone with an English accent say that four years isn't enough time for "any leader to make a real imprint" really illustrates how unimportant soccer managers must be
look where ferrari was when binotto became TP and where it is now its clearly a improvement ferrari needs a new strategist and some luck not a new team principal and that comming from a red bull fan ...
Arrivabene is still one of Ferraris best principles imho
The last thing any sports team, specifically a motorsports team needs is bean counters and suits interfering. U hire smart, capable ppl u trust, and let them do the job u hired them to do. Every sports team where the owner (and their ego) is front and center (cowboys, raiders, mavs, yankees, ect) fails spectacularly every year and the blame game follows immediately.
I appreciate the effort that was put into this video and its quality.
That said, we haven't learned anything knew!
Binotto was sacked... Ok, we knew that.
Ferrari is riddled with internal politics. Ok, everyone knows that one.
Ferrari needs to change. Yes, we know that!
RBR and Mercedes have been having a stable management. Yes, we have seen that as well.
My point is that making a video solely for the point of its revenue is not what F1 fans need. There are a million little known things that could be explained in the sacred 8-10 minute video mark.
Come on guys... You can do better. That's why we prefer this channel above others of the same genre.