How Mercedes exposes Porsche's F1 attitude problem
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Porsche was looking all set to return to Formula 1 after a 30-year absence. Then suddenly talks with Red Bull broke down, the deal was off and everything went dark. Porsche maybe isn’t coming back after all, and Red Bull is going it alone - or maybe partnering up with Honda again. Who knows for sure at this stage?
What we do know is that F1 management, led by former Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali, is VERY keen on more manufacturers coming onto the grid in time for the new hybrid engine rules that come into force for 2026.
But maybe Porsche needs to look across to its German rival Mercedes for a few pointers on how to make sure corporate culture doesn't interfere with on-track success in F1.
#F1 #Porsche #Mercedes
00:00 Huge interest in F1
02:10 Struggling to find a partner
04:48 Rethink required
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Williams have to take a gamble with Porsche in my eyes. What do they have to lose? Worst case scenario is that they end up at the back of the grid as they already are but the best case scenario is that Porsche inject a lot of cash into the team, assist in running the team more efficiently and as a result get that iconic name back into contention.
Exactly this.
Williams has a real governance and leadership problem. Claire Williams flushed her father's legacy down the toilet, and now a bunch of randomers with money are taking turns having a whack at it and are failing miserably. Get a real motorsports brand in with knowledge of the industry and see what happens.
Merceses sure isn't giving Williams the same engines they use. If they are, there's something seriously wrong with the chassis.
@@413TomaccoRoad I would assume that Mercedes get the latest updates/developments and customers get the old spec?
@@413TomaccoRoad Williams always have the highest top speeds among the Mercedes powered cars. What are you on about? The problem with Williams is that they don’t have any aerodynamicists worth a damn anymore. They literally just build point and squirt F1 cars.
@@Taylorjay99 Same with the teams that Ferrari supplies. Now Haas and for 1 more year, Alfa. Haas should have partnered with Porsche, GM, Ford, or Toyota for engines. They didn't come in with a let's kick some butt attitude.
If Williams want to get back up the front, they need to take a chance with Porsche. Sticking with Mercedes is them just settling for being a back marker. And, by getting involved with Porsche, Dorilton Capital will get a cash injection too.
Vindicator18, Tag Heuer Porsche F1 Team could own Williams in 2024 i belive.
Mercedes isn't the issue
@@harry4454 literally this, Mercedes are required to provide the same Engine and associated parts to their customers teams does being a factory team help sure with chassis integration but there’s more to getting a car being fast than that
The issues at Williams goes way beyond being a customer team
Williams needs to be sold to a company that's actually willing to invest money. They're once again a complete joke, it looks bad for the sport.
@@purwantiallan5089 Tag Heuer isn’t part of Porsche. It would be Porsche Williams Formula 1 Team or simply Porsche Formula 1 Team.
0:38 Surely Sauber is Swiss-owned, not Swedish-owned? Or have I completely missed something I really shouldn't have!? (Considering I'm Swedish myself 😅)
Edit: nope, there are actually links to Sweden too, see replies for details! 😲
Finn Rausing (the owner) is Swedish, I think that's what the video refers to. I was confused as well...
They were sold to Longbow who are tied to Tetra Pak the sponsors of Marcus Ericsson. Sauber was sold to them when Kaltenborn was the teamboss to save the team.
Based in Switzerland, but Swedish owners. Finn Rausing (Tetrapak), Stefan Persson and Karl-Johan Persson (H&M Group)
Wow, I had no idea! Thanks for the replies! 🙏
If Sauber is Sweedish, does that make Williams American (via Dorrilton), Mclaren Baharani and Mercedes Austrian (via Mr Wolff)?
I’d like to see every team have a different engine manufacturer
I do too. But it can be nice eliminating the engine variable when comparing midfield aero concepts as well
I'd actually like them all to have exactly the same engine, tho there is no chance of that happening.
Maybe all of them get engines from Honda or Porsche only. That way, Honda can stay in F1 and we can get a more normalized field of competitors...
@@salmanazam9444 that goes against the entire ethos of Formula 1… Perhaps you would enjoy Formula 2 more instead?
@@jcoxdj "Perhaps you would enjoy Formula 2 more instead?"
Maybe if they bump up the production quality to F1 levels. What we need is Formula Race As 1 competition where the cars are as fast as F1 but homologated.
@@gupiwa sure you can make something similar but the cars are never going to be as fast due to something called innovation. Innovation can never happen in a spec series and that is why F1 will always be unmatched.
Williams have GOT to snap this up. Dorilton's probably going to like the idea of some joint investment and this brand new era of Williams with a trusted mark could be a big commercial and financial lifeline for a team which is now, once again, in a state of flux.
Sauber - the Swedish team. Good to know.
Yeepp !
Did not know that one either....🤔
For those who don't know, Sauber is Swiss, which is not the same as Swedish!
@@Benjamin-mq6hu In the video, they clearly say it's Swedish-owned, which is different from being based in Switzerland (both are true, apparently).
@@Benjamin-mq6hu Swiss-based, Swedish-owned
@@Benjamin-mq6hu Say whaat!😳
If the gamble by Liberty Media to get more into the American market pays (and so far it seems to be working), then I'd not be surprised if Andretti-GM and Ford finally get in the fun.
Welp every team wants the exact opposite of that except of Alpine because they'll be an engine supplier.
@@bonifacelukosi9580 The FIA seems to be on Andretti's side though with MBS making that bombshell tweet turning the opposition from a hush hush background grumbling to a very public matter indeed
@@farhanatashiga3721 FIA wants to help Andretti Cadillac no doubt.
@@bonifacelukosi9580 yep. More like reversed engine supplier.
Have you just not heard any news from f1 recently? Andretti is not coming to f1
I'm so excited that many manufacturers to returned in f1 because remember couple of decades ago there a lot of manufacturers failed miserably and some of them very successful
AimanFitri0IV, hope TAG HEUER PORSCHE F1 gonna own Williams in 2024. If it does, i reckon their driver lineups could be Nico Yazawa and Yoshiko Tsushima.
I'm a Mercedes fan but I'd be over the moon to to see big manufacturers banned from F1. The barrier to entry means we will never see another Bruce McLaren / Frank Williams / Colin Chapman startup made up of people who have racing in their blood.
Billionaire manufacturers with junior teams / sister teams / customer teams have ruined the sport.
2024 driver lineup could be interesting.
I'm still a bit disappointed that Porsche isn't joining with an all new factory team. Considering Porsche is one of the most successful brands across all of motorsports it definitely would have been an exciting entry. Especially because Porsches know-how across different sectors is quite helpful in such a competitive environment, not to mention that their name and legacy dwarves everything else except Ferrari.
If they just supply engines it's fine as well, just not all that exciting. I'm still hoping for Andretti-Cadillac to become a new team on the grid though.
The fact is that Porsche don't need F1 for their marketing. If they dont make it quickly they will jump of and leave a bleeding team or no team ta all. Cause again, they dont really need it to prove they are the best. it has more probability of hurting their reputation. So I think they are not a good option for F1.
Still a big risk for Porsche. Look at Toyota’s F1 experience. Dominant in almost every motorsports arena they’ve entered and, even with arguably the biggest budget, they were a total failure. There’s more risk than reward for Porsche to try to do everything from a standing start with no real F1 experience.
@@martinterreni1616 they don’t need to prove they’re the best? What? Doesn’t matter what Motorsport success and experience a company has.. if you haven’t competed in F1, you’re not the best. So you’re saying that Porsche is scared to…… try? If they’re not willing to take the risk of entering F1, they will never have the same brand prestige as Mercedes. Because they literally haven’t accomplished anything at the most important and highest level of racing… F1
Even if or when Andretti is allowed to join F1 it will have a freaking Renault engine in his new F1 cars for the foreseeable future. Thats disappointing 😞
porsche reputation is better than mercs@@sonicskills123
This is an exciting video! The analysis of the organization of teams and their approaches relating to outcomes (podiums, race wins, branding success, etc.) is fascinating! Would be excited to see more videos like these in the future. Thanks!
Swedish owned Sauber? Did I miss something?
I think he meant to say Swiss
Brits are almost as bad as Americans when it comes to getting countries mixed up
EDIT: To be more accurate, Longbow's Swedish owner, Finn Rausing, later created a sister company Islero Investments and transferred all Sauber assets from Longbow to Islero. So, Sauber is still Swiss-based and still Swedish-owned by the same Swedish businessman, just under a new company name.
It's a reference to Sauber's current owners, Longbow Capital which does have a Switzerland office, but are bankrolled by Swedish industrialists.
"I think Ericcson owns us"
Peter Sauber sold his shares, the team is owned by a wealthy Swede (forgot his name) that also owns the Tetrapak company.
God I hope Honda come back and stay with Redbull.
Honda never left 😭
What Reno said !
Honda never have left, only mystery is what Honda does after 2026
I hope they return by buying out and replacing Alpha Tauri and beating the field
They pretty much are. New leadership saw the title in 21 and said wtf are we doing? So they r staying supporting RbPwtr. Yet red bull will likely build engines or parts and r&d with hondas knowledge so who knows maybe honda will split off. Either way they are now on the cars again and in f1"Officially"
It'd be ace to see more cars on the grid again, and more manufacturers too! Also, good job on the 'not click-bait' video! It's a bit rare for F1 vids nowadays! xD
The race is affiliated with the Athletic if I am not mistaken. It’s a proper media outlet.
Ye the race is the only F1 media outlet I watch. They're not perfect, but they're certainly better than the myriad dime-a-dozen garbage F1 reporter channels who are using rumours as click bait
Extremely well put, and informative. Cheers
If Andretti gets on board would be awesome to have Penske jump on the train too, and that would make Porsche's issue easier (the two cooperate in WEC after all). With this said, it seems difficult enough to have Andretti on, and Penske may be unwilling to attempt the jump
I also was thinking about a penske partnership but looks like Porsche doesn't want to build its engine alone or start a new team
Penske's already been there, done that, won a race and shaved Watson's beard. He isn't interested anymore.
and i guess Chip Gianssi will follow suit
@@Steve-jo3cl Asuna Yuuki also seeking seat for TAG HEUER PORSCHE-WILLIAMS F1.
@@iViking90 why, iViking?
I am curious to see what the future ownership of Red Bull will look like, will Christian, Marko, and Adrian become or be granted ownership. Hope so...
The Porsche Red Bull fallout showed Porsche thought too highly of itself, Red Bull is quite self sustaining as it is and Porsche is bringing nothing to the table but its name and boardroom politics
A Porsche mechanic told me that Porsche pulled out of red bull because red bull wasn’t gonna take in any of their information or anything.
@@Evan-Loftusand a redbull salesman told me that they didnt want porsche bcuz deez nuts
A WEC LMP1 manufacturer that has won multiple championships would bring nothing to the table?
Williams isn’t. That’s the perfect team to swoop on.
@@aaronwestley3239 Yes, it wouldn't. F1 is so far ahead of LMP1. And Porsche obviously doesn't have the facilities or infrastructure to work on an engine program. Red Bull on the other hand are prepared to go it alone with RBPT and have the facilities and well as the cash. Not to mention the Honda IP they brought in after they left in 2021. Porsche is useless.
"How hard is it to distinguish between Sweden and Switzerland?"
Brits and Americans: Yes
If it means anything, it comes with great appreciation of the two countries by the brits at least.
In any case the Swiss Racing team Sauber might actually be ultimately owned by Swedes 🤷
@@noomade well it's absolutely not owner by Swedes but Peter Sauber from Switzerland
They said swedish 'owned' not 'based' I don't know who owns Sauber at the Moment, but I guess it is possible that some swedish folks own the majority stake there.
Considering motorsport is banned in swizerland since 1955 I'm not sure if some swiss dudes would invest the money.
Both flags have a plus...
Sauber is owned by a Swedish investment company similarly to how williams is now American owned with Dorilton Capital owning them
they wanted to take 51% rights for badge, kinda unfair deal I guess
Exactly, no money can buy what they have built trough the years. Major automotive companies just want it straight out of the box with big $$$. I love porsche but Im glad Red Bull rejected that offer, it was more than unfair
Red bull wanted a manufacturer but doesn't need one at this time.
Well that’s kind of the point of it being a works team.
it was 51% of redbull power trains not redbull racing itself
they only want full fledged works operations that are willing to pay 3-4x the agreed dilution fee of 200m. I think with the spending cap its much easier for the teams to join because they dont have to spend 500m a year like ferarri, mercedes and red bull used to spend. It would have been really cool to see and audi/porsche f1 team.
I don't understand why Porsche would want that much direct control over a racing team in the first place... Put your name on the car and give the team the resources to win.
The success is definitely not guaranteed but it never is in F1 and an independent team is more likely to be successful than a team that needs to be micro managed by a board.
It's Porsche we are talking about. Probably the least likely manufacturer to ever put a logo on a team and let them run on their own . If the sucess isn't guaranteed or atleast very likely then they simply don't want it . They want direct control over a racing team because they are themselves the most succesful manufacturer in all of motorsport and they haven't achieved that by just looking from the side and not getting directly involved .
@@timmynicolas8729 Well yeah I guess it's not about marketing but actually conquering F1 just as they did with other series.
Porsche is an incredibly successful motor sports company and their brand for a very long time has built on that. They’re not gonna risk that image by badging a car and letting them go.
Hey mate, can I get a loan from you. Just give me the money and I promise it will be used well. But you get no say in how it works, trust me bro!
Hyundai you say? Guess that's another way to try and force the Korean GP to return
I think Keke Tang and Harri Khoo owned us.
How is Williams even staying alive with the results they’re getting??
I'd assume Dorilton Capital, but I don't see them keeping Williams at this rate before
Williams get paid by just being in the sport cuz they're a historic team, that with the sponsors they have is why they're able to stay
@@timmynicolas8729 yeah but they get the lowest beecause they finished bottom. It’s not like they get a part of the revenue like Ferrari ‘’Ferrari tax’’.
Am I the only person who thinks Porsche should buy Williams? 🤔 gets Porsche on the grid, Williams gets some good motorsport backing and it’s two greats coming together (obviously nothing guaranteed)
I think that Porsche was aiming for Red Bull and McLaren so that they would start from better position than they would with Williams.
Yeah I hope so as long as the Williams name never leaves F1 I would be happy to see that
@@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158 oh I agree but those doors seems firmly shut now. Williams needs both cash and expertise both of which Porsche can provide.
In the video they said Williams didn’t want to give up a lot of control, well they’ve done sold all for over a decade in the sport and are only here because of the name - they need to not be a dinosaur and grow with the times. Porsche could be that, in my view
@@ahmedelnokrashi8324 yeah I think a Williams Porsche brand would be very strong as well and it’d help rejuvenate a team which has underperformed since what 2003? That’s 20 years man
If idea is to have significant backing from manufacturer BUT NOT OVERWHELMING one - why do they attack Andretti for having balance that actually reflects perfect relationship???
probably because america vs europe
Greed. They just moving goal posts at this point. They want American money but not American teams (which may pull sponsors to their side).
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4:56 This best place to watch a Indycar race at Portland International raceway. It's where I watch from.
Hmm i wonder what would help prospective engine manufacturers enter F1? Here's a breakthrough of an idea maybe allow more than 10 teams and the existing teams can shush abt "what extra they bring" just a thought
Why would anyone want less prizemoney? Its on the prospective teams to prove the pie will only get larger not smaller
Anyone else remember 1967? Colin Chapman, Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Lotus 49. Keith Duckworth, Mike Costin, Walter Hayes, Ford DFV, 155 GP wins and it sounded good.
They are SOO keen on bringing in new manufacturers that they want to charge $600M for GM to come in
Aston Martin already listed as failed manufacturer attempt:) brutal honesty:)
Aston Martin does not produce petrol engines.
Hmmm....it seems difficult to say that Porsche shouldn't want to have any say so in the racing business, they are an established racing company as Mercedes was when it got involved as a factory team! But, I don't think it matters if they join F1 or not since Audi is in. I would wish that if a new team is to join, that they will be competitive within 3-5 years at the most.
Isn't Sauber a Swiss company? You said Swedish in the video. May I be mistaken? At about 35 to 40 seconds in the video.
at 0:39 you mention Swedish owned Sauber. I think you meant Swiss owned
Dig a bit deeper and you'll know the video is correct.
Apparently Finn Rausing is swedish so the compant is swedish owned.
3:52 , hey can someone point me at this reference about plans for alpha tauri? That they are not for sale?
Graphic at the 4:44 mark 😂 Brilliant!
Did you say "Swedish-owned Sauber"? I think you mean Schweiz.. 🙂
Marcus Ericsson that drove for Sauber 16/17 is from Sweden, only related thing I guess. Love your work!♥️
Based in Switzerland, but Swedish owners. Finn Rausing, Stefan Persson and Karl-Johan Persson
It is hard to compare Mercedes and Porsche in this respect. At Porsche, the Porsche and Piech "Owner" families make such decisions and would certainly have a hands-on approach. Toto Wolff is a hired specialist and as far as I know, the Mercedes board does not have powerful Owners with large numbers of shares who are "meddling" in their F1 business. Having said that - I would love to see Porsche in F1, but with the current discussion about Andretti, am not sure it is the right time from an F1 perspective.
Wish Maserati and MINI joined F1 soon.
Also Toto Wolff owns a third of the team, alongside INEOS and Daimler AG. Even if they wanted, the Mercedes board cannot meddle into the F1 business unless they also have INEOS support.
@@nik021298 Ahhh - I wasn't aware. That helps 😉
‘Excited’ for anyone but American teams and brands.
Just so you know, longbow finance is Swiss, based in Lutry, canton de Vaud, just a few blocks away from my place and meters away from the Leman Lake.
So Sauber is still Swiss owned.
Best porsche is to enter alone if they want to succeed considering how much money they sink inti projects
Aston can be an interesting idea for Porsche
Porsche actually has a fully functioning F1 power unit on a shelf somewhere. They built it in 2017 for a possible transition to F1 after the LMP1-project drew to a close, so there is a possibility of taking that engine and developing it to 2022 standards.
With the engine freeze in place there wouldn't be too much to worry about in terms of falling behind the more established brands, but then again developing a power unit for a formula that's ending in 2026 might be too much of a risk.
0% chance porsche (or anyone else) makes an actual competitive PU for crrent regs from one semi functional prototype from 2017 (if that actually exists).
It took the teams years to get this powerful and reliable in equal measure. There’s no way they could get it up to speed in time to be relevant in this era
@@QuotidianStupidity no chance.
That is correct. But, they wouldn’t be using it right away. They would have to develop that engine to adhere the 2026 engine regulations. In such case the differences are eFuel, less fuel flow, and greater ERS-K, to compensate for the loss of combustion power, the ERS-H & Variable trumpets. That would be the most likely scenario and not using rebadged Audi engines like many thing they would.
Excellent Analysis
Logical thing to do would be Porsche takes a large stake in Williams and Andretti takes AT, since Porsche kindly declined the offer by RB to do so. That is the true reason why talks ended. It was always Marko's plan to sell them AT.
Source? Porsche has no pu they can use.
@@ramarkble101 about AT being offered by Marko? That's kind of a public secret already. Last time I heard it was on the race youtube channel. But Tommo, various credible sources within F1 etc. claim it. Mateschitz wanted AT to have a good future too so he was very much on board with the Porsche route for AT. Porsche already has a testengine running so I have no idea why this channel coaims they don't have a PU. They most definitely have a PU and it's not a rebadged Audi either.
@@ramarkble101 Porsche built and tested an engine that would adhere to 2021 regulations back in 2017. Nothing has changed engine wise since then. They would only have to develop that engine to adhere the 2026 engine regulations. Which aren’t that much different. The only difference are eFuel, less fuel flow, and greater ERS-K, to compensate for the loss of combustion power, the ERS-H & Variable trumpets.
@@LuisTrey Yep, Porsche has the ability, I recall when they entered American Le Mans with the RS Spyder alongside Penske and were immediately competitive. They won their class (LMP2) 3 years straight (06,07 and 08) even taking overall wins in some races over those seasons; I remember them taking 1 and 2 at 12 Hrs of Sebring in 2008, breaking Audi's 8 years dominance at the track (who were running LMP1 cars).
0:47 „The Swedish owned Sauber“ Either the Race has had some special insight into a new Sauber Deal that sees the SWISS team transferred into Sweden or thats a little production oopsie😅
Look up the owners of Longbow Finance and you'll get your answer.
Each team needs their own proprietary engine and drivetrain, without it the team will probably be a mid to back of the grid constant, specially these days.
0:38 Buying into the *Swiss* owned Sauber operation.
When will they stop confusing them all the time😮💨
Brilliant video
If all of these brands come to the F1 the only one I'm still will be missing is Toyota.
I hope Audi/Porsche/Honda either are all in, or at least 2 of them (since Audi is sorta "REALLY" in).
The next step, 2030ish, is to have independents be able to form a team and race, long term. Bringing back the initial Williams and McLarens. Always having to rely on manufacturers or manufacturer partners isn't great, because it limits who can enter. Every downturn in the economy, you'll see teams wanting to pull out. The cost cap needs to get to $100M USD year before they'll allow another independent team, sadly.
I feel like Porsche could get Penske to run a works team for them fairly easily. It seemed like the Redbull talks broke down because Redbull didn't want to sell half of the company. Penske already runs their new LMDH program, it would be a perfect fit
I can easily see at least one of Alpha Tauri,Haas and Williams been sold in the next 5 years.
More like 1-3 years
Hopefully Williams is sold to Porsche, HAAS is sold to Ford, and AlphaTauri sold to another manufacturer who shows interest in joining Formula 1.
5:22 That's a very troubling stat sheet. Aston Martin is in trouble.
Or you know, just enter as their own team and then they would have all the control they would want. But that's reaching a bit isn't it...
I hate how F1 is looking for new teams but when one shows up they are resisting them but when others want to buy in, they couldn't be happier.
There's a mistake at 0:39, you say Audi bought into the Swedish Sauber but Sauber is Swiss.
I reckon there’s a bubble forming that will burst if Verstappen just wins everything going forward and/or if big manufacturers join and can’t move up the grid. Haas and Williams might be better to sell now while the market is good then get stuck later
3:54 the demise of mateschitz bruh
Why do you keep showing the DHL Penske Indy Car team when talking about Andretti!?
I want to see a team come in as their own engine manufacturer. Sure it’s a bigger risk on them, but with the sport’s popularity rising, stocks are high so they shouldn’t just let *anyone* join right away.
Williams have only recently changed hands from the Williams family to an unidentified American based cartel that I suspect includes some very big F1 names (that we won’t know about for a few years from now). This, I believe, is based on a long term vision to make that team great again at some point in the future. No way will they make a U-turn on that now, and give up control to Porsche (or anyone else)
Many Thanks for the good quality Subtitles that allow we Deaf F1 Fans to enjoy your excellent Videos.
Great writing in this video. Ben is always fantastic.
I think the Porsche ship has sailed at this point, I imagine if we get another new manufacturer on top of Audi and Cadillac (if they're allowed in) it'll be Honda or Hyundai.
It only makes sense for Williams to get bought by Porsche and collaborate. Singer and Williams engineering have already worked in collaboration to build the engine for the Porsche 911 Singer DLS. Williams already have the facilities to build a Formula 1 engine and car. All Porsche would need to do is come in and work their magic.
to be honest with the grafik at 5:25 you included Renault but to paint the picture you wanted to have you missed out the "Renault F1 Team" years in the early 00s years
Renault also powered Redbull during Vettel's championship run.
I still think two VW brands in F1 sounds crazy and two differenr engines from one source sounds like pure lunacy!
Ford, Cadillac, Porsche, Audi. Would certainly lend some cache to the brand. Hyundai, might be stretching it. But if Sauber are Swedish, then anything is possible...
From the teams point of view, Williams has nothing to lose. With rumours of Dorilton wanting to recoup some of the money they’ve put into it, it seems like a golden opportunity. Worst case scenario, they end up staying where they already are at the back of the grid.
But would Porsche settle for the mediocracy that is modern day Williams?
@@barneyklingenberg4078 Most likely not considering they wanted to partner up with Red Bull. From Porsche's point of view, going with Williams would make no sense at all unless Porsche were desperate to get into F1 again.
Mercedes seems to have good model but don't doubt that Porsche will not have done their homework. They very rarely enter a works team in any racing category half hearted. Their frequent success in sportscar racing, especially in the top sports prototype categories, proves that and that's a category that's easy to fail in if you're not prepared.
0:37 At this point i would like to add that Swedisch and Swiss is not the same thing😁
Control is old school. The model of the day is co-creation and co-ownership. That is true partnership.
Williams seems to be the best candidate for Porsche at the moment.
I don’t blame Red Bull for deciding against being dragged into corporate culture if they don’t need the investment
good video
Truer words have never been spoken - comparing the team structure and function of Mercedes and Ferrari reveal the real underlying reason for the former's success in the recent decade of Formula 1. Newcomers would be wise to learn that lesson early on.
@ 0:38, Sauber is not Swedish, but Swiss.
Porsche was founded in 1931. They have been around longer than F1. They know what they are doing. Porsche does not need F1 to impress anyone. Their sales in China surpasses Europe and the US, a country/ region not part of the “traditional” F1 racing scene. The Porsche marketing team can teach some lessons to any sales and marketing group in the world. Let’s all agree: F1 needs the Volkswagen Group as a technology/ engine provider to survive and to stay relevant. Not vice versa.
Mercedes was in the unique position to buy the reigning F1 champion (Brawn), unlike all the other manufacturer entries you mention
The reigning F1 champion Brawn who was using…. a Mercedes engine when they won the championship…..
Alpha Tauri wouldn't be a way to Red Bull to run 2 teans, and so, having advantage upon other teans? Because for me it is clear so.
Like Williams for Mercedes or Haas for Ferrari
@@ananastudio Not quite, pal. Even though Alfa Romeo could be closer to that for Ferrari, but yet different.
Thanks for doing your research and calling sauber Swedish🇸🇪 instead of swiss🇨🇭. It’s not like the two countries are 1000miles apart and sauber has been proudly known for being Swiss?!
bro said "swedish-owned sauber operation", can't believe people still to this day mix up sweden and switzerland..
0:39 Is Sauber Swedish?
In summary: you need big company money without the big company short-term (quarterly) thinking. I don't see Dorilton Capital staying in too much longer as their job/company mission is to maximize investment return for their shareholders and do not have intrinsic value of marketing like other companies to offset the balance sheet. Once they can find a buyer willing to pay more than the future value (i.e. future growth of F1), they're gone.
Andretti may have to team up with Porsche instead of Renault or GM if they want in. That would be interesting.
Is Sauber Swedish (or Swiss)?
Sauber is no sweedish its Swiss! 0:40
I've seen a very convincing video that states that porche doesn't need F1, i tend to agree with them.
History has thought as that big corporates are not built for F1. It seems for them a big investment of money on marketing, so when it fails, they leave. THey are not in it for racing. Andretti is a much better option and will probably stay around for much longer than the big manufacturers.
How can they be excited for new teams and then there's the whole Andretti/Cadilac debacle?
Difference between racing team & engine manufacturer bro engine manufacturer have to invest a lot in f1 to be competitive
@Kunal Kumar but whos to say that andretti won't start manufacturing engines once they get their foot in the door? If they are that determined to get in then surely they can see a bigger picture that hasn't been portrayed yet
@@ArranD1 They would have already manufactured engines for the other motorsport series they compete in. Hence why they’re relying so much on Cadillac to be their partner to possibly join Formula 1. Cadillac would supply the power unit and most likely build the chassis while Andretti does nothing but run the operations side of the team and splatter their logo everywhere they can.
What will be a dream lineup for 2026 is:
(Car design-engine manufacturer)
Mercedes-Mercedes
RedBull-Ford (or Porsche if they change their mind)
Ferrari-Ferrari
Alpine-Renault
Mclaren-Mercedes
Sauber-Audi
Aston Martin-Ford?
Honda-Honda (in place of Alpha Tauri)
Haas-Ferrari
Williams-Mercedes
Andretti-Cadillac
Hyundai - Hyundai
And that's a beautiful 24 grid here! Up to 9 engine manufacturer. But that seems extremely unlikely to happen
I dont think Aston Martin would like Ford because of how they stole some of the styling cues they use.
@@sakuya1185 yeah maybe but it was some years ago and ownership has changed since then so maybe.. and I don't think who can line with them appart ford rn
I would assume Aston Martin would keep Merc power units because 98% of there road cars run rebadged Merc units and Merc also owns part of Aston Martin
*Lamborghini-Red Bull
*Audi-Sauber
*Aston Martin-Mercedes
*Ford (buying out HAAS completely)
*Porsche-Williams
*Cadillac (without Andretti)
No more Honda @ RB? Really? Maybe they can get Ford to turn that Ford GT eco boost engine into an engine for F1.
Andretti Cadillac and Haas powered by Ford would surely help drum up more American interest
I wish Porsche would enter with their own team and engine. Look at their motorsport history. They crushed every competition they competed in!
Same pattern as always haha.
Joining -> Dominating -> Leaving 😂
I’d consider Aston Martin and McLaren manufacturers. Alfa Romeo too is to a lesser extent. Really there’s only 4 non manufacturer teams
I think Dorilton Capital should sell Williams to Porsche. It makes sense for both parties, and a Porsche Williams team would be very cool to see.
That being said, I can see VW then going all corporate on Williams and destroying the team.
You mean improve the team, Williams destroyed themselves.
Is Sauber swedish owned or suisse owned? I am confused now
based in Switzerland, owned by Swedish billionaires
I'd like to see more manufacturers in F1 but I honestly love private teams with underdog energy, here's to hoping Williams rise again.
the narrator kinda sounds like matty from wtf1
What should I choose? A double World champ Honda engine or a "unkonwn" Porsche one?🤔
Is Sauber Swiss not Swedish?
Indy Car's main problem is that they are only the 3rd fastest road racing series behind F1 and DPI. 750hp is not enough. That Wheldon incident really shook them up.
DPI is not on indycar level, it's about the same as lmp2. japanese superformula is second fastest series after f1, then indycar, roughly equal with former lmp1-h. DPI is 5% slower than indy.
Indycar should be behind
F1
Superforumula
And F2
They’re roughly around F2/old LMP speeds
Lol. Indycar is in no way slower than DPI. Dpi was based on older lmp2 regs.
@@cosmo1084 lmp1 were in their late years actually a bit faster than indycar even. Amazing machines
Ok, this was bogging me, so i made a quick search, these are the results;
1- Formula 1 (1050hp)
2- Le mans Hypercar (670hp)
3- Indycar (650hp)
4- Formula 2 (620hp)
5- Dpi (600hp)
6- LMP2 (560hp)
7- Superformula (543hp)
*Important to note that HP doesnt mean "fast", aerodinamics play a huge part also