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I’m going with the SmartSolar 150/35 for a smaller planned backup system, as I currently have a 7.2kW grid-tie, but would like a little backup “just in case”. Victron has a good reputation for a reason.
This is comprehensive however it avoids the question of scale. If I wanted a 110 KW could I string 10 of these together? or 100? or 1000? You claim to have a big array, why not address issues of scaling within your reviews?
I just added a 1800 watt solar array to my motorhome, two each 450 watt panels in series, and two sets in parallel, output 77v 24 amps. I have a generic 12v 3500 watt inverter, I have two Litime 12V 230Ah Plus LiFePO4 Battery Built-in 200A BMS, Max 2944Wh Energy, Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery’s connected in parallel. Looking for the correct Victron energy MPPT smart solar charge controller. I ordered a MPPT 100 l 30, but it looks like it’s max PV 400 watts. HELP THANKS
I've watched a lot of your videos but I'm still a bit confused. This one helped a lot because it gives a good recommendation. But what I'd really like to see is a series of videos on the "ideal" full solar setup for various use cases, things like: small/medium/large home, shed/garage/barn, hot/temperate/cold climates, low/medium/high sunlight, grid backup/off-grid...and maybe other variables. Just an idea for you (with a little personal interest thrown in).
Another great category for a video would be designing a full off-grid system that would be useful in the winter in places like the Pacific NW. Panel type and sizing theory, low idle draw inverter, heated or temp protected battery, something that can reasonably switch to generator on multi-day storms. A ton of interesting theorycraft there.
I have 4 Victron MPPT controllers and 3000w/48v inverter and that system definitely beats my mpt and growatt systems, but price is also 2-3 times higher, if I’ll do it again I’ll go Victron all in, 0 fails in past 4 years, and low power mode on inverters is a game changer if you have small pv system
100% agree with you here. Have three of these and have never had a moment of trouble. We have a full Victron system except for batteries. I have noticed that throught the day the load switches from one controller to another so each channel gets a break after the batteries are charged. Got a Quattro 15kva to replace the 12kw Growatt. The fans on the Growatt were loud! Quattro almost silent. After your video about connection of a Victron system we started buying Victron. Couldn't be happier.
Same, Will's video on Victron for beginners opened me up to the idea of a full system and now I have 3phase, 2 charge controllers, a Battery monitor and energy meter all plugged into a Cerbo GX. BMS is now also plugged in making the BMV redundant but still love its time to go feature and accurate AH used readout.
I have been using midnite solar for a long time. I really wish the classics had external voltage sensing. It's such a great option to improve charge times.
Hey Will - I'm very pleased to say I've been using one of these in my totally off-grid system (in Oz) for nearly a year now, and couldn't be happier. All Victron except for Safebatt batteries. My only wish is that I'd bought the 200 model with 4 inputs for more expansion, but it can parallel another one anyway. I'm kinda surprised it's taken you so long to cover this fantastic bit of kit, but well done.
And yes, sorry for delay. I just use it so much, it was hard to take it out of my system. It rained today so I was able to disconnect for a bit without much grief haha
It has been interesting watching you evolve over the years Will. We use Victron in the marine world for many of the same reasons you've explained in this video. Cheaper can be good, but out on the water you need the best.
Agreed. For ny next Sailboat, everything but the Batteries are going to be Victron, with an aft Cockpit 50mm x1.6mm wall 316 Stainless Steel Solar Arch, carrying 4 x 250watt high efficiency Monocrystalline Solar Panels, with high Quality AGM Batteries, not a Lifepo4 House Battery Bank, for better counterbalanced weight to the Solar Arch plus Panels. Why AGM ? Well I saw a graph of Life charge Cycles that flatlined at 3,500 Cycles, if discharge does not exceed 80%, plus a message from someone that had got 20 years out of their Batteries, before an electrical accident Trashed them. Plus Lead loves getting back to 100% state of Charge as fast as possible, so all I need is a Bank large enough to stay above 80% Capacity for a maximum of 12 hours, easily done with an inboard engine with enough surplus horsepower to spare 10hp for a high output Alternator with an external Smart Regulator, which will be run for an hour under load pre Dawn, and an hour post sunset, for heat exchanger hot water for showers, plus inverter run portable induction hob to cook Breakfast and evening meal, to save Cooking gas. It should be fun getting it to work. Change of direction re Batteries, came after communicating with a Chinese Lifepo4 Battery Nanufacturer, plus experience with other lithium batteries, they said discharge below 50%Capacity, and you destroy recharge Cycles, and other Lithium to Lifepo4, charging over 85% Capacity, and you shorten Battery Life. Does that apply to Lifepo4 Batteries too ? I Strongly suspect that it does tbh. If !ifepo4 usage restrictions for Optimum service life are as correct as I suspect, the better Deal, if tailored to usage properly, imho are AGM or Lead Carbon. Plus the extra low down displacement weight, can be really really useful on a Sailboat , and additionally assisted by things like an ICW height Mast, all chain for the Anchor, balancing weight Fuel and water tanks as well, as long as things are kept within the boat's gross displacement (a bit more expensive, as to stay on the right side, demands a bigger boat than the sub 40ft Sailboat I would otherwise prefer, not needing a diesel generator helps keep things not that much more than 40ft though thankfully) Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
Biggest drawback to these units is the 20 amp PV input limitation. If you're using larger wattage panels that have Isc over 10 amps then you can't parallel any of the panels to keep the voltage below 450. The Victron 250/60 and 250/70 both can accept 35a max PV input which gives you more flexibility to series/parallel panel configs.
I have all Victron gear in my RV and I didn’t even know this thing existed! To be fair I don’t need it for my 1500W of panels on a 12v system, but it’s still awesome haha. I have their 150/100 MPPT
Yep. My custom-built cargo trailer conversion has two 480-watt panels with each having its own small Victron MPPT since having them in series created too much loss if both panel outputs weren't similar. Then I have a third 320-watt panel that is portable and gets placed out away from the unit in the best exposure. It has its own (third) Victron MPPT maximizing its output as well.
Have two of the 200A units for our install later this summer. One thing about them we didn't anticipate was the requirement for very stranded PV and battery cable wire. 19 strand 10 AWG doesn't cut it. Need 87 strand 10 AWG or so I believe. Definitely looking forward to setting it up and glad you've given it your mark of approval.
@@silverice9 Not according to Guy Stewart from Victron. He says ferrules are NOT to be used with Victron equipment. But lots of professional people use them with Victron stuff all the time on UA-cam.
@@gf3803 Ferules encourage people to think they don't need to tin the wires for the connections. This is an extremely bad idea, especially in a Marine environment ent where the appearance of resulting problems, is rapidly accelerated. Good to see Victron not recommending their use tbh. Bob. 🤔👍
A wind turbine tutorial would be very useful. I haven't seen a lot of videos covering it. Solar and wind are great together, but it's not the easiest setup.
Agree, I've been running both for a year now an there is plenty of room for innovation in charge controllers and pitch/furling mechanisms and lithium battery BMS integration etc. I'm using the Air force controller and turbine since it can change pylontech safely, but has no pitch or furling so high winds it's always off
A pretty serious problem with Wind generators is their rotation speed tends to be low, and causes frequency vibrations that attracts Birds, and particularly Bats. German Wind Farms for example, are pushing Birds of Prey towards extinction levels, and one windfarm site is killing circa w50,000 Bats a year. This where killing just one Bat, can get you a heavy fine and a Jail sentence. 🤔 Mine in my Smallholding, a small Wind generator, started worrying me after killing a few Bats and a couple of Barn Owls, so I removed it, and started designing a possible superspeed high rpm version to shift frequencies well up range to a point where it could become uncomfortable for Bats and Birds to go near, which would be above human hearing range. Life got in the way though, and it's still at the Drawing board stage. Ho Hum. 🤔
The biggest drawback with Victron is the lack of UL listed stuff, no idea why such a high end company can't get it's act together to get stuff listed, they keep saying next year... five years later still virtually nothing from them is listed.
It's funny because any Victron equivalent outperforms all the UL listed crap. Why do you need a EU company to pay for a useless US test, when those devices passed EU tests that are of higher specs?
Midnite Classics are my choice :) They have AUX1 user settable relay to control remote stuff + arc fault + full internet for remote control and DIY data extraction without needing phone/bluetooth.
Yeah I love my midnights I have 2 for the last 6years no problem.. I have 30 more panels and don't want to spend 600 each I would need 4 more . this one I would only need one its a hard choice to make....
I think what you mean to say is when buying a solar charge controller you get what you pay for. I'm sure I could prove you wrong. If you think that In life you get what you pay for then you're just a sucker.
Hi Will, great choice! 😃👍 I just bought my own two SmartSolar 150|35 for charging my coming mobile 2nd solar pv batteries (2× 12V 100Ah Amperetime) in a 2 string configuration. Nicely configured by the Victron App, dead quiet (fanless cooling design) and absolutely outdoor-approved. And also absolutely incredible short delivery. It has advantage to live only a couple of hundred km from their HQ and facility. 😅
Nice all around unit, but not necessarily the best money can buy for every feature. 450V PV isn't bad, but most name brand (not China) grid tie inverters can do 600V. Hybrid inverters / charger setups like Schneider SW and XW also. For higher voltage panels, the higher voltage charge controllers / inverters are a better fit when you don't want to only have very few panels on an MPPT.
I commented elsewhere today about discrete components and positive service disconnects. So the next step is getting the cases to mate up neatly with panel board and bus bar enclosures.
Don't forget it's Birthday 🎉 I would love to take full advantage of daylight from dawn to dusk hence high voltage, but I see startup voltage is only 120V I would have wanted lower startup voltage ⚡
Hi Will. Love your videos. One big downside of this MPPT is, that if you are using flooded batteries you will not be able to get this unit to do equalisation if you need more than 62Vdc on output. It used to be 60Vdc and Victron managed to crank it up to 62vdc, but that is it. I think people should know. Sometimes solution is to pull out one or two cells to lower your system voltage. Additionally if you need to equalize batteries with different charger you will have to disconect this one to protect it from higher voltage. There is not many dinosaurs like me around 😅, but I think people should know. Great to see video on it.There is not many out there
If you got long distance between panels and your solar sched, just use a Multiplus II, connect micro inverters to the AC output of the Multiplus, he will use the generated powerr to charge batteries and you'll just have 2 cables to run the 220V (or whatever 110V) from afar.
I would like to see a video where you show (and perhaps explain/purpose) what tools, meters and kits you are generally using. I see often things flying-by in your video that I (also) want to know more about. Thanks!
I've used mostly Victron in my camper and I like their products, they kept putting out updated firmware and sometimes even added features. But in my upcoming house I probably will take a Growatt instead, it has technically the same performance but also includes an 80A charger and 5kW inverter for a third of the price of the Victron alternative - and I rather buy more panels and units.
@@imdo301 what was wrong with the EPEVER stuff? I’m an installer for RVs, commonly use both but have actually had fewer issues with EPEVER than victron. It does lack the user friendly interface though.
Like the video but would appreciate your honest comparison versus the other option for DC charging from Victron. I am installing 43 x 470W panels and am very flexible to configure. A combination of 1 x RS48/5600 and 1 x RS450/200TR on the DC charging side is one option to go, the other is to use 4 Solar Smart chargers, 1 x 150/70TR, 1 x 250/70 and 2 x 250/100s There is obviously a cost difference of as the RS units will cost 50% more. The RS units would make the strings easier to install but not a huge deal. The wire run to the inverters is less than 19m in 6mm MC4, so accept there is lower loss with higher voltage but and not sure its that significant. Using the the 4 MPPTs the advantages seem to be • 50% Lower cost • lower start voltage start up Voltage • easier to replace faulty unit • possibility to oversize 130% on 1 or 2 arrays where I know I will not have peak power The only major disadvantage is extra wiring In this situation would you believe the improved CAN communication is worth the extra cash or can you think of another reason to justify the 50% premium of going to the 2 RS units??
You get what you pay for, and this MPPT just proves the point. The industry standard MC4 connectors is likely why the limit on array size. It pays to follow standards. I have been looking at their 250v models, this is in a class of its own.
I love how your downside is barely a downside. You can max out the 450/200 with only two array inputs (4 wires) and the 450/100 with a single input. You are allowed 7600w per tracker
Would love to understand this better …. I am not sure I understand the spec sheet - as you say, it does not appear to be 2/4 completely independent parallel systems? I assumed that the 7600W was to allow for over-paneling …. Does it do anything with excess wattage?
I have the pcm60x no noise at all. With 2 you can have 120A at 48v batteries!. I have it many years with no problem, and its very cheap. The disadvantages are the monitoring software and the input voltage at 145v. I want to buy victron smartshunt just to monitoring the system.
Former Victron owner and have a 3048LV now and it does great, but I will always wish that I could track and customize like I did with my old 12/24V Victron equipment.
can you make a video about the difference between the victron quattro, multi-2, and multi plus ??? i get confused on what does what, or which is better for different applications. this is going to be my first solar install, (im looking at 2/3-10kw inverters) and id like to have ALL victron. i like the LF inverter type.
I would love to see you test some Schneider equipment. Sunpower uses the XW-Pro inverter for their battery solutions (my panels have micro-inverters), but I've seen a few who use a pure Schneider ecosystem.
Looking at the pricing in UK, I'd take 2 x 100A over the 200A for redundancy as there is little price difference. I have a 12V victron setup in an outbuilding. 2.5KW panels, 1200W inverter charger, 400AH. Works great. This is a test for the main house which I'm planning with this charge controller, + Victron inverter chargers all 48V. What I like about Victron is the local control, I'm not reliant on random suppliers web portals.
All Victron that you have tested and said how great they are I’m surprised this one is the only one you have in your system I thought you were using the other Victron that you tested because they were better than most of the other stuff you were testing. This was a surprise to me.
In my other systems but not my main one. This thing is awesome for multiple arrays. I have tons of victron stuff but my main inverters are still 6500ex's. Can't beat them for the size weight output and efficiency.
They need to release a 600V version with higher per MPPT wattage limits. I'd literally need 7 of these for my arrays that are currently handled by a single Sol-Ark 15k.
Wow! Will money done changed you. But not in a bad way, I’ve been watching since you chocked when saying Victron. Even when you said they were to much $$ 3 years ago when I made my lil Electrodacus box. I went with Vic for my inverter, and zero problems.
I think one of the best things about you and your channel is not only does your passion shine through about products you enjoy but also provide actual updates based on your experiences, re-evaluating your thoughts on a product and update the viewers. The Ford Lightning being a perfect example of that. Thanks for making great content with critical thinking.
Will you are a fountain of knowledge, sometimes it feels like we are drinking from a firehose, but it makes sense. Would love to see this setup with this Victron charge Controler in an off grid setup where AC input is not available, and requires a generator to charge the batteries using the EG4 Chargeverter. After watching your other videos of the possible risk and hazzard of voltage leakage in the All in One Systems, and the challenges of using a generator plugged into the AC input to charge the batteries, this setup seems like a solid safer way to isolate and manage your PV Voltage input, along with alternative battery charging options.
Great to see some more Victron content! Unfortunately the have a bit to small charge controllers for my use, but I have understood Fronius have som large charge controllers that could work well in the Victron system. Had been great to see some content on Fronius equipment and how to get it working in the Vctrion system
Love your stuff! It would be fantastic if you could do a session on how to connect a wind turbine to an existing solar system without throwing away a currently installed solar charge controller. Thx.
Great review! You really do get what you pay for with Victron equipment. Solid gear, very efficient and reliable, reasonably priced, and easy to use, and the interoperability with other Victron gear is seamless.
Reasonably priced? You must be high. Victron is the most expensive solar gear you can buy, half again as expensive as f.ex. Deye/Sol Ark which is very high quality. Victron is too much money IMO.
I like my MUST PC1800F controllers. Yeah, 150V input, but 100A output at 48V. And yes, they're noisy, but they're in a separate building. They're only 200€ each, and have been going for years now.
I am interested in this one but i have a question about it before eventually buy one What does it mean Max.DC output charging power 4000W per tracker and 5750 W total… What’s limited here and what does it mean on the roof 😊
Hi Will, I agree with you, Victron is great but when it comes to repairs, they are not so fine any more. The repairability of Victron components tends to zero. Which is a shame (and for that price tag).
I've been looking at that thing for a while I'm glad you reviewed it. I've become of the mindset that Will is WRT inverters. Go big sooner because I have so many Victron MPPTs now and wish I would have bought the giant instead of these other ones...
Looks awesome. Please make a series of similar "Best-In-Class" components. Ya know like a full Victron Quattro suite and especially the Span distro system. thx!
Yeah i use midnight love them. Got more panels and don't want to have to buy 4 more cause the price was looking at eg4 controller its 500v. But now that u showed this im gonna check them out thanks for the review.. Keep it up brother
I have a baby Victron for a SLA battery and it has been great, Sure way more expensive but as it has proper boost charge of my SLA battery that'll last longer so money well spent.
I've got a rs450/100 with a cerbo gx but the only problem the multiple 2 make up for the low noise from the rs, it connected to byd lvs battery seems to work really well, recommend the cerbo gx fantastic bit of kit
Will, I just got the eg4 charge controller. Works good kinda noisy but good spec. Could you do a review please. There is a fault with it but I would rather wait to see if you experience it. Please run it for a week before posting your review. I'd love to hear you analyze the fault if you experience it. Thanks
I completely understand the high regard for the victron equipment. Nevertheless: when I first “set up camp” offgrid I had $360 to spend. Victron was not on my shopping list then.
I would think that some of the companies you review would give discount codes or promos for products that you endorse or give your stamp of approval on. I appreciate your feedback and opinions on what is quality products and what is junk.
At 450v this is in the neighborhood of many EV batteries. Not super straightforward to access HVDC lines in most cars, but for those with DC fast charging...would be kinda nice to fake a DC fast charger and use as input through a precharge resistor+relay.
Me too,yes its expensive but i have this victron on my list you have more features,you can connected with a cerbo CX or a Raspberry pi 3 with venos os ✌️👍🇩🇪
my friend upgraded his 3kw system just installed a 450/200 and added 20 x 250w panels punching 150amps into 5 rack lithium battery's 48v ,allso uses a 250/100 on the 3kw system and 75/15 running auto gate opener on his offgrid propery ,
With the amount of money I spent on the rest of the system I thought it would be prudent to invest in a decent victron MPPT So I got the TR 200amp version I plan to hook up 40x 410 watt solar panels each string will have 10 panels
Be sure to do the temp correction and look at VOC to make sure 10 in series won't result in too much voltage. Also, the MPPT RS has a limit of your battery float voltage X 8 that can't be exceeded that you'll want to look into when sizing strings.
Thanks, great video. There is another solar power channel that also recommends them highly. I have an All-in-One system, but if I need separate units, this looks the best to me.
Your channel is amazing! You’ve taught me so many valuable things regarding solar. I’m building a 12 volt system using 5, 100w panels. It’s now time to purchase my charge controller which will be 60a. Of the two do you prefer Epever or Victron? Thanks for all that you’ve already helped me with!
Great video and product I just don’t like the fact that it doesn’t have a dc voltage output to hook a third party inverter to, forcing us to either buy Victrons proprietary inverter, or hook one directly to our battery bank
I did just notice that the multiplus 2 appears to ul listed. It seems that these units (victron) are thoughtfully made, efficient, and scalable. Though initially seeming more pricey, I’m thinking it may save on redundant/ replaced components. The aio’s seem cheaper, but like those radio/cassette/phono deals of the past (!), one or more of those parts suck- but yeah, you get it all in one shot… Tho maybe pricier overall, I think I can afford the smaller parts and grow it as I can afford to. * looked into the ul certificates and it looks like the supplier is misleading that fact. Looks like multi 2 is- but only 12v and 24v models.
Hey will can you do a general review of mobile battery solar setups (like the Jackery system)? I’m looking for something where you compare them side by side and give you opinion on what is best about each and best over all. That would help my search immensely.
I have been using solar panels for 30 years and made my own mppt/pwm analogue 12v chargers 18 months ago I decided to build a large system & for a test 6x 330w 48v panels with epever tracer 8420 & a really cheap inverter that works well. I then decided to buy 22 more panels & epever tracer s but I got 2 Victron MultiPlus II that have problems Inc faulty parts will not charge of a honda generator with virtually no support so not happy with Victron I will be contacting them direct but not happy & Victron are not the best as everything else has worked or been better than expected even though I am in North West Europe & have lower direct sunlight.
Question I have asked many people: One set of panels is wired for 48 Volts and another set of panels wired for 24 volts running to the charge controller, obviously the amps are different and the watts are the same. I want to understand if the charge rate is different. In other words does more amps and less volts charge faster if the watts are always the same? Is it the same charge rate but just safer to work with higher volts and less amps.
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I’m going with the SmartSolar 150/35 for a smaller planned backup system, as I currently have a 7.2kW grid-tie, but would like a little backup “just in case”. Victron has a good reputation for a reason.
This is comprehensive however it avoids the question of scale. If I wanted a 110 KW could I string 10 of these together? or 100? or 1000? You claim to have a big array, why not address issues of scaling within your reviews?
I'm building my first battery for a solar generator setup I have 4 - 3.2v 230ah batteries what bms would you suggest ?
I just added a 1800 watt solar array to my motorhome, two each 450 watt panels in series, and two sets in parallel, output 77v 24 amps. I have a generic 12v 3500 watt inverter, I have two Litime 12V 230Ah Plus LiFePO4 Battery Built-in 200A BMS, Max 2944Wh Energy, Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery’s connected in parallel. Looking for the correct Victron energy MPPT smart solar charge controller. I ordered a MPPT 100 l 30, but it looks like it’s max PV 400 watts. HELP
THANKS
Whats the vest for 24V?
I've watched a lot of your videos but I'm still a bit confused. This one helped a lot because it gives a good recommendation. But what I'd really like to see is a series of videos on the "ideal" full solar setup for various use cases, things like: small/medium/large home, shed/garage/barn, hot/temperate/cold climates, low/medium/high sunlight, grid backup/off-grid...and maybe other variables. Just an idea for you (with a little personal interest thrown in).
Ditto. Do it Will!
Another great category for a video would be designing a full off-grid system that would be useful in the winter in places like the Pacific NW. Panel type and sizing theory, low idle draw inverter, heated or temp protected battery, something that can reasonably switch to generator on multi-day storms. A ton of interesting theorycraft there.
@@2008tmp I agree being in n the WV myself.
Short marketing video...😂
I think Will showing off the MPPT controller he actually uses is on par with The LockPickingLawyer showing what lock he has on his front door.
I have 4 Victron MPPT controllers and 3000w/48v inverter and that system definitely beats my mpt and growatt systems, but price is also 2-3 times higher, if I’ll do it again I’ll go Victron all in, 0 fails in past 4 years, and low power mode on inverters is a game changer if you have small pv system
100% agree with you here. Have three of these and have never had a moment of trouble. We have a full Victron system except for batteries. I have noticed that throught the day the load switches from one controller to another so each channel gets a break after the batteries are charged. Got a Quattro 15kva to replace the 12kw Growatt. The fans on the Growatt were loud! Quattro almost silent. After your video about connection of a Victron system we started buying Victron. Couldn't be happier.
That is fantastic!!! Glad that video helped you :)
Yea I bought a full victron system thanks to his reviews (except batteries) and happy I made the investment.
Same, Will's video on Victron for beginners opened me up to the idea of a full system and now I have 3phase, 2 charge controllers, a Battery monitor and energy meter all plugged into a Cerbo GX. BMS is now also plugged in making the BMV redundant but still love its time to go feature and accurate AH used readout.
Not all other charge controllers are crap!
Have a look a the Schneider 100/600.
I would like you to compare them!
Vicron all day long. It's been 6 years now and not a hiccup with my system.
I am all Victron and so far no failures after 6 years, 100% uptime. I have that same unit though have yet to deploy it.
Been running one for the past 6 months - highly recommended
Right! Hard to use other controllers after you use this thing. Glad you love yours!
I don’t own a Victron component that I don’t like. The configuration options and updates they provide are awesome.
I have been using midnite solar for a long time. I really wish the classics had external voltage sensing. It's such a great option to improve charge times.
Hey Will - I'm very pleased to say I've been using one of these in my totally off-grid system (in Oz) for nearly a year now, and couldn't be happier. All Victron except for Safebatt batteries. My only wish is that I'd bought the 200 model with 4 inputs for more expansion, but it can parallel another one anyway.
I'm kinda surprised it's taken you so long to cover this fantastic bit of kit, but well done.
Fantastic!!!
And yes, sorry for delay. I just use it so much, it was hard to take it out of my system. It rained today so I was able to disconnect for a bit without much grief haha
@browneye2566 where are u in Aus ??
@@trentc8798 southern highlands NSW
@@Browneye2566 ok nice so what system are u using.and what r u thoughts ?
It has been interesting watching you evolve over the years Will. We use Victron in the marine world for many of the same reasons you've explained in this video. Cheaper can be good, but out on the water you need the best.
Agreed. For ny next Sailboat, everything but the Batteries are going to be Victron, with an aft Cockpit 50mm x1.6mm wall 316 Stainless Steel Solar Arch, carrying 4 x 250watt high efficiency Monocrystalline Solar Panels, with high Quality AGM Batteries, not a Lifepo4 House Battery Bank, for better counterbalanced weight to the Solar Arch plus Panels. Why AGM ? Well I saw a graph of Life charge Cycles that flatlined at 3,500 Cycles, if discharge does not exceed 80%, plus a message from someone that had got 20 years out of their Batteries, before an electrical accident Trashed them. Plus Lead loves getting back to 100% state of Charge as fast as possible, so all I need is a Bank large enough to stay above 80% Capacity for a maximum of 12 hours, easily done with an inboard engine with enough surplus horsepower to spare 10hp for a high output Alternator with an external Smart Regulator, which will be run for an hour under load pre Dawn, and an hour post sunset, for heat exchanger hot water for showers, plus inverter run portable induction hob to cook Breakfast and evening meal, to save Cooking gas. It should be fun getting it to work. Change of direction re Batteries, came after communicating with a Chinese Lifepo4 Battery Nanufacturer, plus experience with other lithium batteries, they said discharge below 50%Capacity, and you destroy recharge Cycles, and other Lithium to Lifepo4, charging over 85% Capacity, and you shorten Battery Life. Does that apply to Lifepo4 Batteries too ? I Strongly suspect that it does tbh. If !ifepo4 usage restrictions for Optimum service life are as correct as I suspect, the better Deal, if tailored to usage properly, imho are AGM or Lead Carbon. Plus the extra low down displacement weight, can be really really useful on a Sailboat , and additionally assisted by things like an ICW height Mast, all chain for the Anchor, balancing weight Fuel and water tanks as well, as long as things are kept within the boat's gross displacement (a bit more expensive, as to stay on the right side, demands a bigger boat than the sub 40ft Sailboat I would otherwise prefer, not needing a diesel generator helps keep things not that much more than 40ft though thankfully) Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
Biggest drawback to these units is the 20 amp PV input limitation. If you're using larger wattage panels that have Isc over 10 amps then you can't parallel any of the panels to keep the voltage below 450. The Victron 250/60 and 250/70 both can accept 35a max PV input which gives you more flexibility to series/parallel panel configs.
as far as I can see you can go up to 30a as long as not in reverse polarity
@@Myk_EP👍yes that’s right,most people overlook this and thinking it’s only 20 A
Would be cool if you made a video with this and build out a system to "replace" an AIO, with parts youre equally enthusiastic about
Me, too. Victron blue everywhere... I rarely buy anything else except maybe to control a supplemental chicken light in an outbuilding! 😊
This really does look like a nice piece of equipment. That’s an amazing amount of Pv it can take into a relatively small unit.
Yup it’s amazing I have the 200 amp model. Glad I made the investment
Im only 5 seconds into it 20 seconds after it being posted but i need this one😃
I have all Victron gear in my RV and I didn’t even know this thing existed! To be fair I don’t need it for my 1500W of panels on a 12v system, but it’s still awesome haha. I have their 150/100 MPPT
Yep. My custom-built cargo trailer conversion has two 480-watt panels with each having its own small Victron MPPT since having them in series created too much loss if both panel outputs weren't similar. Then I have a third 320-watt panel that is portable and gets placed out away from the unit in the best exposure. It has its own (third) Victron MPPT maximizing its output as well.
This victron is the juiciest charger controller. Beautiful. I use victron smaller ones and love them. Love
Have two of the 200A units for our install later this summer. One thing about them we didn't anticipate was the requirement for very stranded PV and battery cable wire. 19 strand 10 AWG doesn't cut it. Need 87 strand 10 AWG or so I believe.
Definitely looking forward to setting it up and glad you've given it your mark of approval.
Can you use ferrules?
@@silverice9 Not according to Guy Stewart from Victron. He says ferrules are NOT to be used with Victron equipment. But lots of professional people use them with Victron stuff all the time on UA-cam.
@@gf3803 Ferules encourage people to think they don't need to tin the wires for the connections. This is an extremely bad idea, especially in a Marine environment ent where the appearance of resulting problems, is rapidly accelerated. Good to see Victron not recommending their use tbh. Bob. 🤔👍
A wind turbine tutorial would be very useful. I haven't seen a lot of videos covering it. Solar and wind are great together, but it's not the easiest setup.
Agree, I've been running both for a year now an there is plenty of room for innovation in charge controllers and pitch/furling mechanisms and lithium battery BMS integration etc.
I'm using the Air force controller and turbine since it can change pylontech safely, but has no pitch or furling so high winds it's always off
A pretty serious problem with Wind generators is their rotation speed tends to be low, and causes frequency vibrations that attracts Birds, and particularly Bats. German Wind Farms for example, are pushing Birds of Prey towards extinction levels, and one windfarm site is killing circa w50,000 Bats a year. This where killing just one Bat, can get you a heavy fine and a Jail sentence. 🤔 Mine in my Smallholding, a small Wind generator, started worrying me after killing a few Bats and a couple of Barn Owls, so I removed it, and started designing a possible superspeed high rpm version to shift frequencies well up range to a point where it could become uncomfortable for Bats and Birds to go near, which would be above human hearing range. Life got in the way though, and it's still at the Drawing board stage. Ho Hum. 🤔
The biggest drawback with Victron is the lack of UL listed stuff, no idea why such a high end company can't get it's act together to get stuff listed, they keep saying next year... five years later still virtually nothing from them is listed.
It is extremely frustrating!
I think UL listed is a gimmick. Pay them enough $$$ and it’s listed.
It's funny because any Victron equivalent outperforms all the UL listed crap. Why do you need a EU company to pay for a useless US test, when those devices passed EU tests that are of higher specs?
Midnite Classics are my choice :) They have AUX1 user settable relay to control remote stuff + arc fault + full internet for remote control and DIY data extraction without needing phone/bluetooth.
I have two midnight classic 150s. It looks like 1 Victron would do what 2 of my 150s can do.
Yeah I love my midnights I have 2 for the last 6years no problem.. I have 30 more panels and don't want to spend 600 each I would need 4 more . this one I would only need one its a hard choice to make....
I use Midnites myself!
Victron are the Go-to brand for high end Marine applications, which gives you an idea how reliable they are. You get what you pay for.
I think what you mean to say is when buying a solar charge controller you get what you pay for. I'm sure I could prove you wrong. If you think that In life you get what you pay for then you're just a sucker.
I bought one of these and upgraded from the victron 250/100 to the 450/100 RS and love it so far!
What size is PV cabel is recommended for use with it.... between solar panels and Charge controller ?
@@odelekevictor3895i use 6mm pv cable but that depends to the distance between them,most people can use 4 mm
Hi Will,
great choice! 😃👍
I just bought my own two SmartSolar 150|35 for charging my coming mobile 2nd solar pv batteries (2× 12V 100Ah Amperetime) in a 2 string configuration. Nicely configured by the Victron App, dead quiet (fanless cooling design) and absolutely outdoor-approved.
And also absolutely incredible short delivery. It has advantage to live only a couple of hundred km from their HQ and facility. 😅
I got 100amp version mmpt because I was sick of hearing the EG4 6500 fans blasting in my shop. Worth every penny.
Nice all around unit, but not necessarily the best money can buy for every feature. 450V PV isn't bad, but most name brand (not China) grid tie inverters can do 600V. Hybrid inverters / charger setups like Schneider SW and XW also. For higher voltage panels, the higher voltage charge controllers / inverters are a better fit when you don't want to only have very few panels on an MPPT.
I commented elsewhere today about discrete components and positive service disconnects. So the next step is getting the cases to mate up neatly with panel board and bus bar enclosures.
I use outback 80's they have been rock solid for me for around 16 years.
Don't forget it's Birthday 🎉 I would love to take full advantage of daylight from dawn to dusk hence high voltage, but I see startup voltage is only 120V I would have wanted lower startup voltage ⚡
Hi Will.
Love your videos.
One big downside of this MPPT is, that if you are using flooded batteries you will not be able to get this unit to do equalisation if you need more than 62Vdc on output.
It used to be 60Vdc and Victron managed to crank it up to 62vdc, but that is it.
I think people should know.
Sometimes solution is to pull out one or two cells to lower your system voltage.
Additionally if you need to equalize batteries with different charger you will have to disconect this one to protect it from higher voltage.
There is not many dinosaurs like me around 😅, but I think people should know.
Great to see video on it.There is not many out there
Oh interesting point! I did not think of that at all. Thank you
Thumbs up 👍 getting a way from shock hazard is always good.
I've got one of those in a trailer, waiting to be installed. along with a full 2-phase system from Current Connected.
If you got long distance between panels and your solar sched, just use a Multiplus II, connect micro inverters to the AC output of the Multiplus, he will use the generated powerr to charge batteries and you'll just have 2 cables to run the 220V (or whatever 110V) from afar.
Ive Got 3 of these been working flawlessly for the last 6 months, looks like i made the right first choice
I would like to see a video where you show (and perhaps explain/purpose) what tools, meters and kits you are generally using.
I see often things flying-by in your video that I (also) want to know more about.
Thanks!
I've used mostly Victron in my camper and I like their products, they kept putting out updated firmware and sometimes even added features. But in my upcoming house I probably will take a Growatt instead, it has technically the same performance but also includes an 80A charger and 5kW inverter for a third of the price of the Victron alternative - and I rather buy more panels and units.
Hi. Read your comment. I too was looking at the Growatt all in one. EPEver also do one so I am undecided as I have not seen any reviews here in uk.
I switch from epever to victron on my sailboat and it changed my life.
From now on it is all victron for the controllers.
@@imdo301 what was wrong with the EPEVER stuff? I’m an installer for RVs, commonly use both but have actually had fewer issues with EPEVER than victron. It does lack the user friendly interface though.
@84Prerunner I'm an epever user as well. My 100A unit rocks. At 460 bucks too! That victron is nice, but whew!! Pricy.
Like the video but would appreciate your honest comparison versus the other option for DC charging from Victron.
I am installing 43 x 470W panels and am very flexible to configure. A combination of 1 x RS48/5600 and 1 x RS450/200TR on the DC charging side is one option to go, the other is to use 4 Solar Smart chargers, 1 x 150/70TR, 1 x 250/70 and 2 x 250/100s
There is obviously a cost difference of as the RS units will cost 50% more. The RS units would make the strings easier to install but not a huge deal. The wire run to the inverters is less than 19m in 6mm MC4, so accept there is lower loss with higher voltage but and not sure its that significant.
Using the the 4 MPPTs the advantages seem to be
• 50% Lower cost
• lower start voltage start up Voltage
• easier to replace faulty unit
• possibility to oversize 130% on 1 or 2 arrays where I know I will not have peak power
The only major disadvantage is extra wiring
In this situation would you believe the improved CAN communication is worth the extra cash or can you think of another reason to justify the 50% premium of going to the 2 RS units??
Impressive. I wish I understood. Is there a video that gives an overview of how all these systems work together?😆
You get what you pay for, and this MPPT just proves the point. The industry standard MC4 connectors is likely why the limit on array size. It pays to follow standards. I have been looking at their 250v models, this is in a class of its own.
@@Sebastian-xv1qd Yes, because nobody lives where regulations require anything, and all your PV rated wire is 6 gauge. Did you think I can't read?
I love how your downside is barely a downside. You can max out the 450/200 with only two array inputs (4 wires) and the 450/100 with a single input. You are allowed 7600w per tracker
Would love to understand this better …. I am not sure I understand the spec sheet - as you say, it does not appear to be 2/4 completely independent parallel systems? I assumed that the 7600W was to allow for over-paneling …. Does it do anything with excess wattage?
I have the pcm60x no noise at all. With 2 you can have 120A at 48v batteries!. I have it many years with no problem, and its very cheap. The disadvantages are the monitoring software and the input voltage at 145v. I want to buy victron smartshunt just to monitoring the system.
Former Victron owner and have a 3048LV now and it does great, but I will always wish that I could track and customize like I did with my old 12/24V Victron equipment.
can you make a video about the difference between the victron quattro, multi-2, and multi plus ??? i get confused on what does what, or which is better for different applications.
this is going to be my first solar install, (im looking at 2/3-10kw inverters) and id like to have ALL victron. i like the LF inverter type.
You really can't go too far wrong with Victron. Your wallet may complain but you generally get a quality product. I love my BMV.
I would love to see you test some Schneider equipment. Sunpower uses the XW-Pro inverter for their battery solutions (my panels have micro-inverters), but I've seen a few who use a pure Schneider ecosystem.
I would like to see Schneider tested too!
Looking at the pricing in UK, I'd take 2 x 100A over the 200A for redundancy as there is little price difference. I have a 12V victron setup in an outbuilding. 2.5KW panels, 1200W inverter charger, 400AH. Works great. This is a test for the main house which I'm planning with this charge controller, + Victron inverter chargers all 48V. What I like about Victron is the local control, I'm not reliant on random suppliers web portals.
Off-topic. I hear a 200 watt solar tracker provides more energy than a 1000 watt ground station fixed. You're the man to test this
All Victron that you have tested and said how great they are I’m surprised this one is the only one you have in your system I thought you were using the other Victron that you tested because they were better than most of the other stuff you were testing. This was a surprise to me.
In my other systems but not my main one. This thing is awesome for multiple arrays. I have tons of victron stuff but my main inverters are still 6500ex's. Can't beat them for the size weight output and efficiency.
They need to release a 600V version with higher per MPPT wattage limits. I'd literally need 7 of these for my arrays that are currently handled by a single Sol-Ark 15k.
Yes exactly. Only huge downside
Wow! Will money done changed you. But not in a bad way, I’ve been watching since you chocked when saying Victron. Even when you said they were to much $$ 3 years ago when I made my lil Electrodacus box. I went with Vic for my inverter, and zero problems.
Midnite Solar is a very good competitor. Although the PV voltage input is lower.
I think the SMA Sunny Boy AV-41 is proper competition for this device, Will 🙂. Give it a sniff.
I think one of the best things about you and your channel is not only does your passion shine through about products you enjoy but also provide actual updates based on your experiences, re-evaluating your thoughts on a product and update the viewers. The Ford Lightning being a perfect example of that. Thanks for making great content with critical thinking.
That junction box for wiring is huge compared to other brands. I like that!
Will you are a fountain of knowledge, sometimes it feels like we are drinking from a firehose, but it makes sense. Would love to see this setup with this Victron charge Controler in an off grid setup where AC input is not available, and requires a generator to charge the batteries using the EG4 Chargeverter.
After watching your other videos of the possible risk and hazzard of voltage leakage in the All in One Systems, and the challenges of using a generator plugged into the AC input to charge the batteries, this setup seems like a solid safer way to isolate and manage your PV Voltage input, along with alternative battery charging options.
I use a lot of Victron stuff I like it alot
Great to see some more Victron content! Unfortunately the have a bit to small charge controllers for my use, but I have understood Fronius have som large charge controllers that could work well in the Victron system. Had been great to see some content on Fronius equipment and how to get it working in the Vctrion system
Love your stuff! It would be fantastic if you could do a session on how to connect a wind turbine to an existing solar system without throwing away a currently installed solar charge controller. Thx.
Schneider MPPT 100Amp
600 volt is AWESOME.
I need one. Just learned of it
Great review! You really do get what you pay for with Victron equipment. Solid gear, very efficient and reliable, reasonably priced, and easy to use, and the interoperability with other Victron gear is seamless.
Reasonably priced? You must be high. Victron is the most expensive solar gear you can buy, half again as expensive as f.ex. Deye/Sol Ark which is very high quality. Victron is too much money IMO.
I like my MUST PC1800F controllers. Yeah, 150V input, but 100A output at 48V. And yes, they're noisy, but they're in a separate building. They're only 200€ each, and have been going for years now.
I am interested in this one but i have a question about it before eventually buy one
What does it mean
Max.DC output charging power 4000W per tracker and 5750 W total…
What’s limited here and what does it mean on the roof 😊
One day I may upgrade to the Victron. Likely going grid tie to supplement my all in one backup system.
Hi Will, I agree with you, Victron is great but when it comes to repairs, they are not so fine any more.
The repairability of Victron components tends to zero. Which is a shame (and for that price tag).
I've been looking at that thing for a while I'm glad you reviewed it. I've become of the mindset that Will is WRT inverters. Go big sooner because I have so many Victron MPPTs now and wish I would have bought the giant instead of these other ones...
Wow! You truly are an expert! Thank you for this video. Well done 🤩
Looks awesome. Please make a series of similar "Best-In-Class" components. Ya know like a full Victron Quattro suite and especially the Span distro system. thx!
I got myself two of them. Why not the RS 450/200 you may ask? Well, it's pretty much the same price and it's all about redundancy, isn't it?
Hi Will, Great explanation. Thank you very much. I had installed two RS 450 / 200 , expensive but no regret.
Yeah i use midnight love them. Got more panels and don't want to have to buy 4 more cause the price was looking at eg4 controller its 500v. But now that u showed this im gonna check them out thanks for the review.. Keep it up brother
Will-- would love to see a video of adding one of these to a 6500ex setup to expand solar input capacity...
I have a baby Victron for a SLA battery and it has been great, Sure way more expensive but as it has proper boost charge of my SLA battery that'll last longer so money well spent.
I've got a rs450/100 with a cerbo gx but the only problem the multiple 2 make up for the low noise from the rs, it connected to byd lvs battery seems to work really well, recommend the cerbo gx fantastic bit of kit
I am still holding out for the Victron Easy Solars to come to 120VAC 60 HZ, that's going to be an exciting day!
That would be so nice
Will, I just got the eg4 charge controller. Works good kinda noisy but good spec. Could you do a review please. There is a fault with it but I would rather wait to see if you experience it. Please run it for a week before posting your review. I'd love to hear you analyze the fault if you experience it. Thanks
I completely understand the high regard for the victron equipment. Nevertheless: when I first “set up camp” offgrid I had $360 to spend. Victron was not on my shopping list then.
Victron is the best, hasn't let me down once, been installed for 2 years now. i highly recommend Victron products
I would think that some of the companies you review would give discount codes or promos for products that you endorse or give your stamp of approval on. I appreciate your feedback and opinions on what is quality products and what is junk.
At 450v this is in the neighborhood of many EV batteries. Not super straightforward to access HVDC lines in most cars, but for those with DC fast charging...would be kinda nice to fake a DC fast charger and use as input through a precharge resistor+relay.
The charge controllers are archaic technology since the all in one units have come out. The archaic systems will need replacement parts though.
Me too,yes its expensive but i have this victron on my list you have more features,you can connected with a cerbo CX or a Raspberry pi 3 with venos os ✌️👍🇩🇪
my friend upgraded his 3kw system just installed a 450/200 and added 20 x 250w panels punching 150amps into 5 rack lithium battery's 48v ,allso uses a 250/100 on the 3kw system and 75/15 running auto gate opener on his offgrid propery ,
With the amount of money I spent on the rest of the system I thought it would be prudent to invest in a decent victron MPPT
So I got the TR 200amp version
I plan to hook up 40x 410 watt solar panels each string will have 10 panels
Be sure to do the temp correction and look at VOC to make sure 10 in series won't result in too much voltage. Also, the MPPT RS has a limit of your battery float voltage X 8 that can't be exceeded that you'll want to look into when sizing strings.
Thanks, great video. There is another solar power channel that also recommends them highly. I have an All-in-One system, but if I need separate units, this looks the best to me.
Your channel is amazing! You’ve taught me so many valuable things regarding solar. I’m building a 12 volt system using 5, 100w panels. It’s now time to purchase my charge controller which will be 60a. Of the two do you prefer Epever or Victron? Thanks for all that you’ve already helped me with!
Great video and product I just don’t like the fact that it doesn’t have a dc voltage output to hook a third party inverter to, forcing us to either buy Victrons proprietary inverter, or hook one directly to our battery bank
I did just notice that the multiplus 2 appears to ul listed. It seems that these units (victron) are thoughtfully made, efficient, and scalable. Though initially seeming more pricey, I’m thinking it may save on redundant/ replaced components. The aio’s seem cheaper, but like those radio/cassette/phono deals of the past (!), one or more of those parts suck- but yeah, you get it all in one shot…
Tho maybe pricier overall, I think I can afford the smaller parts and grow it as I can afford to.
* looked into the ul certificates and it looks like the supplier is misleading that fact. Looks like multi 2 is- but only 12v and 24v models.
This dude could run for president clean. 👏
can you show us an affordable system for beginners using this mppt? Thanks for the helpful videos
Gutes Video habe auch alles von Victron und Lifepo4 Akkus 👍👋
Hey will can you do a general review of mobile battery solar setups (like the Jackery system)? I’m looking for something where you compare them side by side and give you opinion on what is best about each and best over all. That would help my search immensely.
I have been using solar panels for 30 years and made my own mppt/pwm analogue 12v chargers 18 months ago I decided to build a large system & for a test 6x 330w 48v panels with epever tracer 8420 & a really cheap inverter that works well. I then decided to buy 22 more panels & epever tracer s but I got 2 Victron MultiPlus II that have problems Inc faulty parts will not charge of a honda generator with virtually no support so not happy with Victron I will be contacting them direct but not happy & Victron are not the best as everything else has worked or been better than expected even though I am in North West Europe & have lower direct sunlight.
Great job on the video Will! Thanks for making it.
I would like to see your take on SMA's Sunny Boy and Sunny Island inverters.
Great content! Thank you for taking the time to make great videos. Out of curiosity, which batteries are you finding work best in the Vegas heat?
Question I have asked many people:
One set of panels is wired for 48 Volts and another set of panels wired for 24 volts running to the charge controller, obviously the amps are different and the watts are the same. I want to understand if the charge rate is different. In other words does more amps and less volts charge faster if the watts are always the same? Is it the same charge rate but just safer to work with higher volts and less amps.
I have a small Victron with 650w 12v on my small sailboat.