How American Animation Influenced Anime
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Can you believe there was a time where TV could transition seamlessly between Looney Tunes and Dragonball Z? That got me thinking, is there a connection between old American animation and old Japanese animation?
It turns out the gap between 1930s Popeye cartoons and the anime of today is a lot closer than we think.
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Can't forget we've come full circle with modern western cartoons being influenced by anime.
Ok course
Not just influenced
Nah
We didn’t come full circle recently, been that way since like the late 2000
Funnily enough, Spider-Man is still influencing anime and manga. the creator of MHA has made it no secret that Spider-Man inspired his story. JJK is a bit shadier because it did steal some major plot points from the venom arc. I mean, the bad guy invades the good guys body and once they leave they enter someone close to them to continue wreaking havoc. Venom is represented by the BLACK suit and sukuna is represented by BLACK lines. JJK even did the whole “hero defeats a villain while remaining silent” It’s common for anime to take inspiration from Spider-Man since he kickstarted the idea teenagers can be heroes. Anime has gotten more and more popular but taking inspiration from other anime and old superhero comics has led to a more and more stale experience. Harem and isekai’s anime are usually bland and uninspired. I think it’s for this reason western cartoons have and continue to dominate anime despite the general consensus being that anime is better. Anime should be popular but subconsciously, once you see a few, the others can seem like creative remixes. It’s the reason why Dr stone is considered “fresh”. It does something new. It takes a risk. If more anime took risk and stopped using the same cliche’s then we would see anime stories like bojack horseman and doctor who. Unfortunately, The manga industry hates giving mangaka’s time to let their stories become fleshed out and would rather just cancel them early. all that’s left are the same stories but remixed in a way that they are just barely their own thing. Alas underneath whatever quality the manga has, our brains still feel like we’ve seen it before.
Another great influence on manga being Franco-Belgian comics, which is why many japanese creators weared a beret.
Japan seems to be way more into BD than American comics, at least the few who actually read comics outside their country.
@@neilworms2 naw the father of anime was directly influenced by America.
@@liberalbias4462 America played a role but really since katsuhiro otomo there has been an interested in BD.
There were so many Francophiles before, and also after the WW2 in Japan. That sentiment still lingers, leading to the so called the Paris syndrome for example.
When you think about it, Popeye's Spinach theme was the precursor to the Power of the Song trope you see in many action, mecha and magical girl anime.
Damn ur right, super sayian 😂
Popeye eating spinach is also made influenced for many, many, MANY rare items to heal both HP and SP in many JRPG games apparently 😅
Another very important source of inspiration of Tezuka's style, both visual and narrative wise, was actually the work of Disney comic book artist Carl Barks, most known for stories featuring Donald Duck and especially Scrooge McDuck.
Tezuka admired him so much he even sent him Christmas cards with fanart.
Also I feel it's important to point out how much of the style and proportions of the Popeye cartoons can be found in Tezuka's work, especially when you look at the bodies of the characters made in his early years and all ages projects, before he started dedicating himself to making comics (and briefly movies) for an older audience.
I noticed that one Astro-Boy manga cover has cover art similar to that found on a Donald Duck comic issue.
Walt Disney really is a legend to be forever remembered.
Let's not forget American comics, either - it's well-known that Tezuka cited Carl Barks' Uncle Scrooge comics as a big influence on his manga work.
Even with that last part being true, Disney and others from the U.S influenced the "founders" of Japanese animation and comics the most. Which I think is a testimonial tribute to the greatness of people like Walt Disney who practically influenced everything in all animation today.
The video never denied the importance of American influence in Japanese animatiom, just that it wasn't the thing that gave it it's potential.
Hence why he states if it weren't for America, modern anime and manga would have been different than how they are as we know them.
Though they would still exist in one form of another.
There's a lot of research in this. Good job!
I didn't watch the entire video but from seeing the title made me think of 2 things:
"Pie eyed" drawing style was popular in both early US cartoons and anime.
Female characters in anime tend to resemble Disney princesses in proportions.
Quite beneficial. I would love to see you do a spiritual sequel to this where you talk about how anime help push the boundaries of 80's/90's Western animation.
Yes
Glad I'm not the only one who held similar sentiment. Too many think that it was all parallel thinking (maybe in some cases), but it's an ever evolving globe of reference and influence throughout history.
Really great to see the broader historical context of anime and animation in general highlighted like this. I hope this video gets at least as much attention as your Looney Tunes shorts video, because this is some top tier content!
You deserve so much views and subs than you have. You and Kenny Lauderdale are two of the best anime reviewers on UA-cam. The amount of care and research you put into each video is superb, and you clearly have a passion for what you do, and I hope someday you become HUGE!
Kimba and The Lion King, eh? YMS sure had a field day with that one.
Thank you for making this. Long sense been a fan of early animation and seeing all the influences fall like dominoes. It's a really fascinating field
I'm a cartoonist myself, and I take heavy inspiration from this 1930's Cartoon Series known as Scrappy, which is relatively unknown to anyone but Animation Historians such as myself. Scrappy and Oopy helped me develop the characters of Floyd & Tyke, albeit in a much more wholesome way. Like Tezuka, I have drawn inspiration from old cartoons, both American AND Japanese. Heck, I even draw with the little pie-eyes.
Nice to see that you are aware of Scrappy, whose early shorts were written and directed by former Fleischer animator and future Disney writer Dick Humor. Lot of interesting names around, such as its producer Charles B. Mintz whose falling out with Disney over budget inspired Disney to create Mickey Mouse, series co-animator Art Davis went on to become a Looney Tunes animator and substitute director.
Would you consider Popeye cartoons as an influence on Tezuka as well, with a lot of his characters sporting large noses, meaty arms, short chubby fingers, large feet, oval mouths and the like?
Tezuka repeatedly cited the Fleischers as an influence so totally
Dude you have the same backstory as me-- watching western animation and anime at basically the same time. Toon Heads also got me into the history of it too!
I appreciated the One Second video as it led me to this channel. But I subbed and continue to watch because of the quality of these types of videos and the clear amounts of passion and research in these. Thank you for your efforts.
This is a really well researched video! Thank you for teaching me about Animation history.
Love both old school American cartoons and Japanese Anime. Animation as a whole is a gateway to another world.
Most of Modern western animation has been influenced by the Japanese. But there are also unique instances where action adult Animation is not tainted with eastern ideas. Such as Jonny Quest and other Superhero themed adult Animations.
Sort of same with some anime.
Awesome breakdown
This is much more than giving a Wikipedia entry a once-over then slapping a synopsis to some common visuals. Great job! I can see the effort garnishing this tasty video
HOW in the world dont you have more subscribers! So incredible and instersting. Please keep it up!
A really good video.
That opening bit reminded me so much of my early day too. I do remember Toon-head and I do remember watching old uncensored Tom and Jerry cartoon before going to Elementary School. They were wonderful times for me. And if I remember also, all the times Toonami have traumatized me with all of its weirdness. with the only thing, I could really remember were only two episodes of flcl (4&1, in that exact order) and the Miyazaki Movie Marathon. but in the end, it was wonderful none the less. even if these two things stuck into my mind like some unending itch. I could really say they influenced me a lot in my later life. In my creative way of things.
One influence for Anime is the chinese animation named Princess iron fan (1941).
Cool, thanks for the info.
Awesome video.
so American influenced Anime cool.
wow this was good.
Duh
So ww2 and the freedom balls that made japan unconditionally surrender really did make anime....
I went to see Jujutsu Kaisen 0 this weekend, and watching this video proof of how ridiculously far the genre has come.
This was so good and informative, I learned a lot here I never knew about before! Thank you for this amazing video.
Betty, Snow White and the cookie girl were all animated by Grim Natwick who had an eye for drawing women.
So he could be credited for influencing the "anime style"
That was a time period in Japan known as "Rule by Assassination".
I've been a causal viewer fir a while but I'd appreciate more of these documentary style videos.
Como me gustaría que hubieran mas videos hablando de este tema en la comunidad otaku hispanohablante y mas en la anglosajona, nuevo suscriptor.
As I wish there were more videos talking about this topic in the Spanish-speaking otaku community and more in the Anglo-Saxon, new subscriber.
The animator of Momotaro Sea Eagle (Tadhito) would later do Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, as Mushi Studio would help Rankin Bass until Festival of Family Classics.
Rankin Bass was one of, if not the first studio to outsource their productions to a Japanese studio, dating back to their "New Adventures of Pinocchio" series in 1960. Topcraft replaced Mushi as RB's 2D Animator in 1972, and Topcraft would eventually become... Get this... Studio Ghibli. So the next time you're watching "Twas The Night Before Christmas" or "The Last Unicorn", just know that most of the animators who worked on those went on to work on some of the most influential animated films of all time.
Very informative. I can't say more because I learned a little of something I didn't know. Hope you can still grow as a youtube creator.
Excellent video! Can't believe it doesn't have more views.
Well feel free to share it. I can only do so much in promoting my own content.
17:45 Superman also influenced Goku’s conception. Goku’s origin story is clearly derived from Superman’s; being shot into space right before their home planet blew up and landing on earth.
Did Tex Avery influence any anime
I feel saying Sailor Moon is the inspiration for all moe is far off, and skips several decades of cute girls doing things and tons of history of female anime leads that all came from a wide variety of inspiration and sources.
I also remember a time when I was a kid where my father would show me VHS tapes of classic Warner Bros cartoons and early Disney cartoons that he tapped at the time when I was born.
I think that was like him allowing me to understand the cartoons that he grew up with, and I am passing on my knowledge of Anime to the next generation of my younger family members.
So I think there is a part of our lives that we take in the old as well as take in the newer stuff and passing that off to the next generation who will find their own niche hobbies to enjoy themselves with.
Great video. Very informative and the research done on it is very well done.
This is such a good video, I love learning animation history
There is something wholesome seeing old fanart before the internet time. Not all of them may be wholesome but it's there is something humble about it.
I just wanna show my appreciation for this video. It helped me a bunch for a project and thesis I'm writing, you helped me a lot with the direction I needed to take! Thank you for your efforts in this video!
6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon: Animation Edition
Thanks for making such a well-researched and informative video! ^_^ One thing I slightly disagree with though (and correct my if I'm wrong) is Naruto influencing the creation of Deku. Based on me understanding of his character and Horikoshi's interviews, Western superhero comics--in particular Spider-Man--was the primary inspiration behind Deku's character.
This video is for the 90’s kids! Learned so much about animation through Cartoon Network. And shout out to you for najubes beats in the background
14:03:I've heard of Osamu Tezuka several times.
It's refreshing to hear about pre-1945 Japanese animation.
This channel is severely underrated!
8:07 That's definitely not gibberish.
_Hitotsu daijina_
_Totte oki kotoba_
_Sore wa watashi no 'boop oop a doop'_
It's basically the Japanese translation of her lyrics.
Awesome video
P.S. your music selection was awesome
Fantastic video dude and glad someone went as in depth as you did with describing the influence America had on Japanese animation (which I feel is something lost on people who aren't aware of the history).
18:16 I’m dying
I was surprised to see this video with so much research and care put into it has so few views, it deserves way more
Great work, as usual.
these videos are gold
This deserves more attention.
That "Mickey VS Japan" Japanimation you showed was from 1936 before WW2
Animation is a medium for everyone to enjoy, Including Anime. It won't exist one without the other.
Anime is just short for animation in Japanese culture. You should have just said Japanese animation.
This video taught me so much! :O Easy to follow, very well written, and videos used were so good! Idk i really liked this, thanks :)
Just encountered this video and I must say amazing job mate.
when i watched cartoon network after 10 pm or so they broadcasted crazy, old and black and white mgm fantastic films.
im quite sure that Tezuka's influence for Metropolis was the film Metropolis [1927]... :D
i didnt realize that japan was such a fan of the Fleichers altough even many of Miyazaki's character designs borrow heavily from them.
thanks for this video!
Hey, thanks for your work. Really enjoy all your videos. Well researched, and super underrated. 🙏🏽
Love your content! Windsor Mc Kay’s Gertie wasn’t done on celluloid though, he drew on rice paper.
Another major influence is Bruce Lee’s films. Enter the Dragon in particular. They brought East Asian entertainment to a global audience and established the modern martial arts genre, around which many anime are based. Stan Lee went as far as to say that every martial arts-based character owes their existence in part to Bruce. Bruce and his films influenced plenty of other media outside of modern anime/manga, too.
In the 2030s 2 split screens of western animation and Japanese anime.
This is a pretty good video talking about the influences of animation, though I now I want a more in depth video on the Japanese influences on anime. *Leans in closely and whispers.* By the way when is digimon going to get it's time on this show?
Great essay
Kyle A. Carrozza (creator of Mighty Magiswords) has this video on Favorites.
You have heard the news that came a few days ago, right?
@@ibrahimihsan2090 Yes i did, a couple days ago, a big surprise. I hope he faces consequences.
What's the name of the cartoon at 11:28 with Mickey Mouse?
12:12 Ha!
Seems like there's a leap between the Astro boy look and the 90's anime look... how very curious...
3:44 i guess this is also one of the first color films ever because of the hat
18:10 no love for Lum from Urusei Yatsura ?
@
Eva Palma
Yes! There is love for Lum. She the true quoter of "darling". Not even Zero-Two from Darling in the Franxx can match that.
Great video
I’m doing research for this love letter comic I’m making abd u are very appreciated!
Amazing research on this.
Please give more credit to the French... They created what he now know as Cartoons and without them we well wouldn't.
Actually according to game theory the Fleischers introduced sound
Yeah but the Mickey cartoon made sound cartoons popular
Game theory is reasonable in the field of culture. American animation has been weakening, and Japanese animation is growing stronger and stronger. The American animation market will be completely dominated by foreign culture (subculture).In this case, American animation practitioners are forced to make changes.
13:39 Are you for real?? No censorship??
Like my daddy told me its all about your own spin that you put on it art is a beautiful and amazing thing
7:15 Aanndd now a Betty Boop yokai will haunt my dreams.
I love your history videos.
18:56 lil Dragonball Wave in the soundtrack :0
W final take.
Also, we really do have a bad habit of attributing things to a very small number of people and ignore all whom said people were involved with and their contemporaries.
It's as stupid as saying Tom and Jerry and Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies were the only American cartoons our there before the 50s.
Here are the other studios of the 1940s: Walter Lantz Cartunes (Woody Woodpecker, Andy Panda, Oswald Rabbit) Famous Studios Cartoons (Adaptions of Comic Strips "Popeye" and "Little Lulu", Noveltoons, Screen Songs, Blackie the Sheep, Casper, Buzzy the Crow) Disney Cartoons (Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Goofy, Cartoon Specials) Screen Gems Cartoons (Color Rhapsodies, Phantasies, Fox and Crow, Scrappy) Hell even People don't talk about the other MGM cartoons like Droopy and Barney Bear when well what your talking about in your comment. Also Little Lulu is definably the inspiration of Anime not Betty Boop
And also TerryToons with Mighty Mouse, Heckle and Jeckle, and Gandy Goose
A rise and fall of Spumco would be interesting fodder for a video.
I knew of Tank Tankuro that was a manga from the 1930s.
That as well as the 1917's The Blunt Katana animated short.
To be fair, artist have always borrowed from each other (I could point in the other direction of American artist being influenced by Asian sources, like Whistler. How can you get more American than Whistler?), but even that kinda misses the point- it's when you are creating idioms that influence generations after that you've come into your own.Bit taken from discussing the history of heavy metal: you could claim other bands originated metal prior to Black Sabbath, but not afterwards. They are ground zero.
What is the anime at 18:43? Gosh darn cute.
1:58 Hey I love Terrytoons! No offense to us Terrytoons Fans!
10:48 Well, in one way or another, japan's conquest was the central point that changed all the asian frog kings living in their own well countries in and brought so many changes in Asia. For example, I don't think China would be the same china it currently is without the invasion of japan.
@KaiserBeamz Do You Also Like Disney?
The animated productions and the history? Yes.
The company itself? Not so much.
@@KaiserBeamz but at the end of the day anime would not be what it is without american cartoon influence.
Psssh how does this have only like 634 👍? This is awesome-sauce
The most astonishing fact is that Disney also created anime.
Great video.
But now I'm interested how Japanese animation try to release their works to the world, and how the world got influence on the Japanese animation.
We see now that the cartoons of the golden age helped to influence anime and manga and we see things circiling back when western cartoons take influence from the anime medium (to varying qualities of success)
but this begs a question.
Is there any western show made these days that would be looked at in japan and would influence anime the way the old guard did when anime and manga were barely starting out?
How do you mention Betty Boop without shouting out Josephine Baker?
man wtf America before they looked better than Japanese cartoon (anime), but now anime (usually from japan, but not anymore) looks way better than current Cartoons (usually from America).
gotta disagree with this. Take a look at Ben 10 and Generator Rex, not to mention Mortal Kombat Legends and numerous Western Animations to boot.
@@dappykenny38 those are like 1 in a 100. like anime almost 9 out of 10.
My Grandma was a Japanese girl living in Taiwan before the war, and she told me about when she saw Betty Boop for the first time. She says she thought the character design was the most modern and sophisticated she ever saw.
I am an animation fan, I hate the arguments the anime is better than western. I love both, and those come out as sounding like annoying snobs.
the fact that this video only has 20k views is why we don't haven nice things, people love to rewrite history about everything even the little shit
What are they rewriting?