@@IslamicOrigins There is no such thing as trinity in Scripture *at all.* It is a philosophical concept (not a teaching) pushed on the Scriptures by mainly *abusing* the Gospel of John. The Israelites were no trinitarians and neither were Jesus Christ and the Apostles. They worshipped one God >>> The Father! Can you prove me wrong from the Scriptures?
@@JudeOne3Four You are a heretic and a liar. No evidence can be offered to somone who shows such utter contempt for Jesus' express teaching: if you don't listen to Jesus, you definitely won't listen to me. Only hell awaits those who reject the Lord's teaching.
Sadly, the vast majority of people who object to the Trinity have little knowledge of the Bible. they get their "facts" from Prophet Google, not scholarly books and articles. Nice work, Rev. rogers. For lay people who seriously want to understand the Trinity, I recommend the classic book, "The Trinity", by Dr. Robert Morey. Morey goes through every Bible verse that references the Trinity, analyzing each in the original Hebrew or Greek.
Mel this felt more like an argument for the incarnation rather then for the Trinity. God becomes incarnate as the God Man in Jesus but was before that incarnated as the God Angel in the Angel of The Lord. Modalists also believe in the incarnatiiion. Nestorian trinity makes much more sense and this is the Trinity I see in the Quran.
There is no such thing as trinity in Scripture *at all.* It is a philosophical concept (not a teaching) pushed on the Scriptures by mainly *abusing* the Gospel of John. The Israelites were no trinitarians and neither were Jesus Christ and the Apostles. They worshipped one God >>> The Father!
Most mainstream churches that accept the Nicene Creed consider the nature of Christ's pre-existence as the divine hypostasis called the Logos or Word, described in John 1:1-18, which begins: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God, Jesus was the word, John 12:49-50.For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. Muslims believe a book came down with Jibreel but funny thing after Muhammad got squeezed 3 times lol still he could not read or write, but somehow he remembered every word in order and it is the same as today in the 1924 Quran. Not hard to see which one is more realistic, wasn't Muhammad story an angel has no body to squeeze and not been able to read this angel could have said anything it liked as he would not know if it's the truth he couldn't read to confirm it, also they telling me Gabriel was lying to Marry that she was going to give birth to God Son? Their own Quran agrees Marry was a virgin as the angel blew into her vagina, so, this same angel lied to Marry and now Muhammad followers believes him 600 years latter? Huston, we have a problem!! Makes more sense that God sent His son that was with Him at the start of creation to bring His word and to do the Fathers work on earth so that we can do away with the old and be saved through Jesus own sacrifice for us, hence He was sent to us. A sinless Man gave his life, He never had to do it but He did the work of His Father so we may live, Muhammad was full of sin and even after open heart surgery and a bowl of wisdom and faith before he flew on a donkey to the 7 heavens he continued to sin to his death, killing and raping, stealing, only miracles that happens is at night no one seen it, thousands of people and only Muhammad seen the moon split into 2, and the only water in Mecca and not one person seen him get open heart surgery at this wishing well that sounds like a genie command zamzam or Shazam. I go with the Bible over the made-up Quran any day.
@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid Yes all very sad but something originally to do with reacting to personal family comments and Sam's advancing towards Apostolic Faith
@@Basaljet ever heard of a time of repentance and healing and deliverance? What’s wrong with taking a few years off to clear your life and return saner?
Thank you Mel, God bless you
Anthony's always a refreshing oasis of Bible insights.
You mean oasis of occult gibberish. There is no such thing as trinity in Scripture *at all.*
@JudeOne3Four you must be blind as a bat then.
@@IslamicOrigins There is no such thing as trinity in Scripture *at all.* It is a philosophical concept (not a teaching) pushed on the Scriptures by mainly *abusing* the Gospel of John. The Israelites were no trinitarians and neither were Jesus Christ and the Apostles. They worshipped one God >>> The Father!
Can you prove me wrong from the Scriptures?
@@JudeOne3Four You are a heretic and a liar. No evidence can be offered to somone who shows such utter contempt for Jesus' express teaching: if you don't listen to Jesus, you definitely won't listen to me. Only hell awaits those who reject the Lord's teaching.
@@IslamicOrigins Tok Tok? 🐣🐣 Malachi 2:10 Have we not all *one Father* has not *one God* created us?
Sadly, the vast majority of people who object to the Trinity have little knowledge of the Bible. they get their "facts" from Prophet Google, not scholarly books and articles. Nice work, Rev. rogers. For lay people who seriously want to understand the Trinity, I recommend the classic book, "The Trinity", by Dr. Robert Morey. Morey goes through every Bible verse that references the Trinity, analyzing each in the original Hebrew or Greek.
Mel this felt more like an argument for the incarnation rather then for the Trinity. God becomes incarnate as the God Man in Jesus but was before that incarnated as the God Angel in the Angel of The Lord. Modalists also believe in the incarnatiiion. Nestorian trinity makes much more sense and this is the Trinity I see in the Quran.
There is no such thing as trinity in Scripture *at all.* It is a philosophical concept (not a teaching) pushed on the Scriptures by mainly *abusing* the Gospel of John. The Israelites were no trinitarians and neither were Jesus Christ and the Apostles. They worshipped one God >>> The Father!
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Most mainstream churches that accept the Nicene Creed consider the nature of Christ's pre-existence as the divine hypostasis called the Logos or Word, described in John 1:1-18, which begins: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God, Jesus was the word, John 12:49-50.For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Muslims believe a book came down with Jibreel but funny thing after Muhammad got squeezed 3 times lol still he could not read or write, but somehow he remembered every word in order and it is the same as today in the 1924 Quran.
Not hard to see which one is more realistic, wasn't Muhammad story an angel has no body to squeeze and not been able to read this angel could have said anything it liked as he would not know if it's the truth he couldn't read to confirm it, also they telling me Gabriel was lying to Marry that she was going to give birth to God Son? Their own Quran agrees Marry was a virgin as the angel blew into her vagina, so, this same angel lied to Marry and now Muhammad followers believes him 600 years latter? Huston, we have a problem!!
Makes more sense that God sent His son that was with Him at the start of creation to bring His word and to do the Fathers work on earth so that we can do away with the old and be saved through Jesus own sacrifice for us, hence He was sent to us. A sinless Man gave his life, He never had to do it but He did the work of His Father so we may live, Muhammad was full of sin and even after open heart surgery and a bowl of wisdom and faith before he flew on a donkey to the 7 heavens he continued to sin to his death, killing and raping, stealing, only miracles that happens is at night no one seen it, thousands of people and only Muhammad seen the moon split into 2, and the only water in Mecca and not one person seen him get open heart surgery at this wishing well that sounds like a genie command zamzam or Shazam. I go with the Bible over the made-up Quran any day.
Better if he could get back to Sam on the sola fides problem in the early church fathers
Hope they patch up and dialogue about it.
Guess who started tearing the other down viciously?
@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid Yes all very sad but something originally to do with reacting to personal family comments and Sam's advancing towards Apostolic Faith
@@Basaljet ever heard of a time of repentance and healing and deliverance?
What’s wrong with taking a few years off to clear your life and return saner?
@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid are you talking about Sam or Roger’s?