Thanks for a vid. I think by now I have been watching all videos about 2023 2-strokes. After having TC250 from 2018 and few newer FC350-s I decided to go back to 2023 TC250. Got it yesterday and hope to break it in during next few days. As a D or maybe C lever weekend rider only I am looking an emotion from mx track. And to be honest my old 2018 TC250 offered it by far more than any 4 stroker. So my expectations for 2023 bike are very high too. The weird 4stroke throttle feeling was exactly the same I felt first time, while sitting in my new TC. I guess it just takes time to get used. Another thing noticed while changed plastics yesterday - the amount of ECU-s, sensors and wiring under the seat and under the plastics.
I would be really interested if you need fine tune - and how to if so - the EFI ?mapping? if you change the pipe or get some egine mods or want to leverage race gas. BTW if you record GoPro footage in 1080p (FHD) and render your vid in 1080p it will look like crap on UA-cam. You can try to render it with 2560x1440. For some reason it will look way better then on UA-cam. As refrence you can see my last vid, GoPro was 1080p but I redered it 1440p and it looks acceptable.
Question, Do u know if the 2019-22 silencer would go on the 23? I just got the 23 and currently hurt so want to order parts but can’t find anything for 23 model
Great vid, I'm curious if we can deviate from the recommended oil ratios with a throttle body eg. 60:1 to 50:1 or would this mess up flow through the throttle body?
Congrats bro and great video. I'm really considering this as next bike. How did you find the new mellow map? Seems like it really makes the bike smooth, linear snd easy to ride? Cheers dude
The white mapping is great for the ruts and slippry smooth surfaces, but it has way less power than the green mapping in higher rpms. Green map pulls stronger than last years bike, but the throttle control in the first 30% of twisting the throttle is not great. I wish there would be a mapping that is in between. First half of the white mapping and second half of the green mapping would be awesome
@@Superdisco199there is a clutch weight for that that is 39.99 and it tames that spike down also makes it nearly impossible to stall. Way easier to install than a flywheel weight too.
I'm in Allen County, OH. New subscriber btw. Love the new KTM 250SXF. Looks like the bike to beat in '23. As usual. What dealer do you recommend? Near me ..or you?
Thanks for the support David! I bought my bike in stark county, at action extreme sports in new Philly. Off Jeff Ricker. If you call tell them i sent you!!
Unfortunately I just got hurt real bad racing and was in the market for a new bike, between this and the yz250 but man I want to recover so bad and finally get a Ktm. I raced A/B going to be a hell of recovery broken pelvis, hip screwed together and broken back. Month out of surgery 🤘 your riding well brother looking good stay on the bike and blast those whoops next time! I need this bike!
Thanks for the feedback! And damn sorry to hear that pray for a healthy recovery. I broke my tib, fib and ankle and had to have surgery couple years ago. Took some time off the bike and now getting back after it
@@colewaller6613 the worst feeling is thinking about giving up riding/racing. It’s depressing! This was my second year back after a long time and I was just getting my speed back, racing 30+ 30B and 250B on my 01 cr250 against all the new bikes. Had success but freak accident sept 3rd. I’ll be back and I’m glad to hear you are! Keep it up brother 👊
It's crazy how people like pastrana are always getting injured (badly) and always come back stronger..even riding, doing stunts with the injury. I pull something while stretching and never the same after 😂
@@otallono like Doug Henry said, attitude is everything. I’m not walking yet but will be starting PT soon and looking at new bikes. Feel great all things considered 👊
I had it with my KTM ...TPI..throttle sensor went bad . Then the battery shorted out when it would not start.Next time out the starter quit .Each time this happened I was in way back in the woods .I went back to a Yamana problem solved.
Cool vid! Wondering if it would be easier to ride and lighter feeling than my 21' 350sx? Love the torque of the 4-stroke 350 but you really can get worn out from the engine breaking. I'm a vet novice.
I have the 300sx on order , hopefully I get it soon. I wonder about the power difference. How would you say your burning through fuel was compared to the previous models ?
Heck yea man!! I wanted the 300, but it was farther out.. and too many people in line . Plus when it came down to it i wanted to be able to race the 250 in lites class and open class . Gas wise it went through it faster than i thought it would.. i used 2gal of gas in one day. Hour worth of riding
hello excuse me but I see on the video that you are on the white map but I just bought the 300 it is not the green map which is soft thank you for your video
Just got the 2023 125sx and she doesn't run too good. She runs for about 15 minutes and then chokes herself out with un-burnt premix flooding the cylinder. Running a 52/1 ratio on the premix which is less than ktm recommends
Manual says 60:1 when bike is stock.. since i was breaking it in, i tan it 50:1 just to be a tad rich. And 93 pump gas on this break in day, but soon wil run c12 with 93 mix
Yea ! I love it. Just races it tonight has 15 hours on it now. I run the white map, i heard the green map has been blowing some bikes up, but they just came out with a updated map so make sure you ask your dealer about that.
Yes very competitive still. I buy them for the pure love. But look up Matt burkeen. He makes it into pro nationals on a 250 2 stroke pretty much every weekend . But for local races, super advantage because we can race them in the lites class.. a 250 2 stroke in a 250f class is a huge advantage
@@colewaller6613 ahhh I thought the 250s had to run with 450s. Yeah a 250 2 stroke is pretty fast with the 250f’s although those bikes are no slouch either these days
So TPI is on one of the woods models bikes. It’s a fuel and like oil injection, where it mixes the oil into the fuel for you, but i heard many problems with them . TBI is throttle body injection, super similar to a four stroke and you mix the oil in your gas yourself. I assume to handle the speed and acceleration changes easier than the TPI did
TPI is transfer port injection, This TBI (Throttle body injection) is a more tradition form of fuel injection. TPI was just introduced as a cope to meet emissions standards, And those bikes are pretty choked up and detuned from the factory, It's also just a less reliable and more complex system. The TBI on the new MX bikes is worlds superior.
You mean who gets lucky and who doesn’t? Theres plenty of videos on here where people have bought them and had issues right from the showroom. On top of that KTM give a 30 day warranty. Not an hours warranty, you could ride for an hour after your 30 days and have an issue and ktm won’t cover it.
@@The2006200 i would say the minority never have a problem. just look at how many tpi problem videos there are on youtube alone. then look at enduro groups on social media sites and forums. Hopefully those issues have been resolved with the new TBI bikes, but it's pretty poor that KTM have taken 5 years to catch up and do what Athena GET ignition offered with the injector relocation kits for the very first TPI bikes. they were offering properly mapped ecu's with the TBI conversion kit back in 2018.
You are seeing the hundreds of complaints on the internet out of the hundreds of thousands that have been sold. So yea I’d say the majority of people have had good luck with them. Have you owned a tpi bike?
Please stop use this transition effect. You dont need transition effects at all, just cut the clips. All vid is super great, sound and colors. Overral 9\10 but transitions ruined it (style, bitrate and bad tone). Love to see new content
No thanks that bike will blow. YZ for me just mill head 60 Th. Run leaded gas drop main two sizes drop needle one notch shit just rips for less and won't blow.
Huge respect to KTM for keeping the 2 strokes alive. But in total 2 strokes are not great. I don't own a 2 stroke. But I own a classic from the early 2000's. 2004 KTM 525sx. I will ''never'' get rid of this bike. Not for any 2 stroke on the market. It's the easiest bike to wrench on and it's a damn 4 stroke. Yes you heard me. It's a 4 stroke. The waterpump is not down below like any other motocross bike. The valves are easy to deal with cus you don't have to take the whole damn thing off. Just open the 2 covers for the intake and exchaust and there you go. 10mm wrench and 0.12mm feeler cauge and you're done. Simple and easy. Now when it comes to 2 stroke and the damn powervalves it's more hard to work on. It's a damn pay in the ass and no one tells you that. Everybody just goes blindly ''It's so easy to work on 2 stroke''. NO it's not! Everything except the piston you pretty much got the same deal like any other motocross bike. And I rather set the valves on this big 525 4 stroke then to fix a damn powervalve. It's more expensive too, Nobody tells you that either. They just keep quiet in that 2 stroke lie about everything is so easy.
Nice essay about your pos dinosaur turd of a boat, sorry “bike”. Dude you just have no idea what you’re talking about, and talking about it on a video about the pinnacle of modern 2 stroke technology.
I just had my KTM RFS 450 blow a valve through the piston which took out the crank. $1500 plus later she is back together. To rebuild full top and bottom end on my 2 strokes has been 1/2 that. Good thing is I upgraded the 450 to a 525, everything else about this is bad. Not sure how/where you get that 2 strokes cost more.
Refreshing to hear from someone that can ride with bikes opinions. Thanks
Thanks for making the video. Only criticism is that you didn’t address the click bait title of your video, was it a mistake ?
Perfect comment. I didn’t have to watch the video
I am also curious as to how it feels in the sand. Perhaps a Michigan track before the season ends. Thanks for the content!
This bike has me excited enough to buy new. Thanks!
Thanks for a vid. I think by now I have been watching all videos about 2023 2-strokes. After having TC250 from 2018 and few newer FC350-s I decided to go back to 2023 TC250. Got it yesterday and hope to break it in during next few days. As a D or maybe C lever weekend rider only I am looking an emotion from mx track. And to be honest my old 2018 TC250 offered it by far more than any 4 stroker. So my expectations for 2023 bike are very high too.
The weird 4stroke throttle feeling was exactly the same I felt first time, while sitting in my new TC. I guess it just takes time to get used.
Another thing noticed while changed plastics yesterday - the amount of ECU-s, sensors and wiring under the seat and under the plastics.
Yes , agree 100% i haven’t had the feeling of love for a bike since my 2019 sx.. now i have it all over again with this bike!
I to have the new 250, are you considering changing spark plugs to the br7 from the stock br8? I’ve been snowed in 😅
Very good camera work. Makes you feel like your on the Bike.
Dude that thing is sick!!
Did the pipe discolor from heat? The last few years of bikes had ran so lean that the pipes would turn blue.
I would be really interested if you need fine tune - and how to if so - the EFI ?mapping? if you change the pipe or get some egine mods or want to leverage race gas. BTW if you record GoPro footage in 1080p (FHD) and render your vid in 1080p it will look like crap on UA-cam. You can try to render it with 2560x1440. For some reason it will look way better then on UA-cam. As refrence you can see my last vid, GoPro was 1080p but I redered it 1440p and it looks acceptable.
Question, Do u know if the 2019-22 silencer would go on the 23? I just got the 23 and currently hurt so want to order parts but can’t find anything for 23 model
Could you take it to a track down south and see how it rides in the sand?
love the weekend warrior
Great vid, I'm curious if we can deviate from the recommended oil ratios with a throttle body eg. 60:1 to 50:1 or would this mess up flow through the throttle body?
I’m actually running 50:1 with half c12 and half 93 pump. And seems to be great
Looks like a fun bike.... I'm considering getting the 300XC 🤔
Congrats bro and great video. I'm really considering this as next bike. How did you find the new mellow map? Seems like it really makes the bike smooth, linear snd easy to ride? Cheers dude
Yes mellow map is amazing. This weekend I’m going to try the other map. I highly consider this as your next bike
The white mapping is great for the ruts and slippry smooth surfaces, but it has way less power than the green mapping in higher rpms. Green map pulls stronger than last years bike, but the throttle control in the first 30% of twisting the throttle is not great. I wish there would be a mapping that is in between. First half of the white mapping and second half of the green mapping would be awesome
Me as well. Great bikes! 👍🏻
Nice bike dude,sounded sweet! 🤘
Thank you!!
Looks like it kicks butt
I ordered the XC, the dealer called me today and said mine will be in next week! so stoked to get it! Nice video! 👍
just got the 250xc last week. Hands down the best 250 two stroke!
Love to hear some feedback on the 250XC... the 300 looks like it's comes on a little too strong for me.
@@Superdisco199there is a clutch weight for that that is 39.99 and it tames that spike down also makes it nearly impossible to stall. Way easier to install than a flywheel weight too.
I'm in Allen County, OH. New subscriber btw. Love the new KTM 250SXF. Looks like the bike to beat in '23. As usual. What dealer do you recommend? Near me ..or you?
Thanks for the support David! I bought my bike in stark county, at action extreme sports in new Philly. Off Jeff Ricker. If you call tell them i sent you!!
Post another follow up video!!! Any upgrades for 2024 model
I own a 24 350sxf and recently rode a 23 yz250 and had a blast on it! Been thinking about one of these.
Did you end up buying one? I just bought a leftover 23 yz250 never had the chance to ride it yet as it’s winter here
@@jessegray4819 no, just stuck with the 350
Unfortunately I just got hurt real bad racing and was in the market for a new bike, between this and the yz250 but man I want to recover so bad and finally get a Ktm. I raced A/B going to be a hell of recovery broken pelvis, hip screwed together and broken back. Month out of surgery 🤘 your riding well brother looking good stay on the bike and blast those whoops next time! I need this bike!
Thanks for the feedback! And damn sorry to hear that pray for a healthy recovery. I broke my tib, fib and ankle and had to have surgery couple years ago. Took some time off the bike and now getting back after it
@@colewaller6613 the worst feeling is thinking about giving up riding/racing. It’s depressing! This was my second year back after a long time and I was just getting my speed back, racing 30+ 30B and 250B on my 01 cr250 against all the new bikes. Had success but freak accident sept 3rd. I’ll be back and I’m glad to hear you are! Keep it up brother 👊
It's crazy how people like pastrana are always getting injured (badly) and always come back stronger..even riding, doing stunts with the injury. I pull something while stretching and never the same after 😂
@@otallono like Doug Henry said, attitude is everything. I’m not walking yet but will be starting PT soon and looking at new bikes. Feel great all things considered 👊
I had it with my KTM ...TPI..throttle sensor went bad . Then the battery shorted out when it would not start.Next time out the starter quit .Each time this happened I was in way back in the woods .I went back to a Yamana problem solved.
I got a 22 250xc so far bikes been flawless only got 22 hours on it now got it 2 months ago !
Did somthing same,went with rieju and 2 year warranty
Cool vid! Wondering if it would be easier to ride and lighter feeling than my 21' 350sx? Love the torque of the 4-stroke 350 but you really can get worn out from the engine breaking. I'm a vet novice.
The 350 is a great bike man. These are a bit more brutal on the vet riders. But the new 300sx is a great platform for vet riders i heard
Sick bike ❤
Really,really nice video. Greetings from Austria
Thank you!!
Do you find the bars are to low ?
compare what’s new and the same ik the brake pedals e different but the shifters r the same go over all that stuff
Wow so sweet
I have the 300sx on order , hopefully I get it soon. I wonder about the power difference. How would you say your burning through fuel was compared to the previous models ?
Heck yea man!! I wanted the 300, but it was farther out.. and too many people in line . Plus when it came down to it i wanted to be able to race the 250 in lites class and open class . Gas wise it went through it faster than i thought it would.. i used 2gal of gas in one day. Hour worth of riding
@@colewaller6613 on the gas buddy! 💪🏼 👊🏼 💨
Bro are you rich
@@Cutiepatootie69420 Work hard , play hard! Lots good jobs /big companies out here in Ohio.
@@Davido50 only in ohio
hello excuse me but I see on the video that you are on the white map but I just bought the 300 it is not the green map which is soft thank you for your video
Just got the 2023 125sx and she doesn't run too good. She runs for about 15 minutes and then chokes herself out with un-burnt premix flooding the cylinder. Running a 52/1 ratio on the premix which is less than ktm recommends
Hi dude. Does the bike bog??
Have you had any issuses
What ratio are you using, as well as what octane? Thank you
Manual says 60:1 when bike is stock.. since i was breaking it in, i tan it 50:1 just to be a tad rich. And 93 pump gas on this break in day, but soon wil run c12 with 93 mix
Just bought one of these. Have you had any issues with the bike or it's been solid?
Yea ! I love it. Just races it tonight has 15 hours on it now. I run the white map, i heard the green map has been blowing some bikes up, but they just came out with a updated map so make sure you ask your dealer about that.
fast on the dry track
There are rapid 👍👍
what johnson controls do you work at?
Fire alarm out of ohio
How did the “jetting” feel?
Honestly felt perfect.. curious to see how it changes with pipes and new parts
Sure
I am always surprised at guys who still buy 250 2 strokes for motocross. Are they really still competitive? Or is it simply just for fun?
Yes very competitive still. I buy them for the pure love. But look up Matt burkeen. He makes it into pro nationals on a 250 2 stroke pretty much every weekend . But for local races, super advantage because we can race them in the lites class.. a 250 2 stroke in a 250f class is a huge advantage
@@colewaller6613 ahhh I thought the 250s had to run with 450s. Yeah a 250 2 stroke is pretty fast with the 250f’s although those bikes are no slouch either these days
Do you find the bars to be low ? How tall are you
Not at all. I will change them out to pro taper sx bend though
I'm thinking about trying a KTM out
Avoid!
What’s difference between TPI and Fuel Injection?
So TPI is on one of the woods models bikes. It’s a fuel and like oil injection, where it mixes the oil into the fuel for you, but i heard many problems with them . TBI is throttle body injection, super similar to a four stroke and you mix the oil in your gas yourself. I assume to handle the speed and acceleration changes easier than the TPI did
TPI is transfer port injection, This TBI (Throttle body injection) is a more tradition form of fuel injection. TPI was just introduced as a cope to meet emissions standards, And those bikes are pretty choked up and detuned from the factory, It's also just a less reliable and more complex system. The TBI on the new MX bikes is worlds superior.
What dealer did you get your ktm from
AES in new Philly ohio. The owner Jeff Ricker is an awesome guy.
Lets hope they don’t suffer the constant problems that the enduro tpi models have
I have a 2018 250 tpi and its never had a single problem. its all in who you talk to I guess.
You mean who gets lucky and who doesn’t? Theres plenty of videos on here where people have bought them and had issues right from the showroom.
On top of that KTM give a 30 day warranty. Not an hours warranty, you could ride for an hour after your 30 days and have an issue and ktm won’t cover it.
@@danhopkinson2811 The majority of people never have a problem with them.
@@The2006200 i would say the minority never have a problem. just look at how many tpi problem videos there are on youtube alone. then look at enduro groups on social media sites and forums. Hopefully those issues have been resolved with the new TBI bikes, but it's pretty poor that KTM have taken 5 years to catch up and do what Athena GET ignition offered with the injector relocation kits for the very first TPI bikes. they were offering properly mapped ecu's with the TBI conversion kit back in 2018.
You are seeing the hundreds of complaints on the internet out of the hundreds of thousands that have been sold. So yea I’d say the majority of people have had good luck with them. Have you owned a tpi bike?
How’s this compared to a YZ250 power wise?
This bike has more bottom and mid power but the yz has more over rev and snap on top end
They have been blowing pistons
GREAT VID BUD KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, I SUBBED AS I ONLY HAVE 50 SUBS ASWELL SO THOUGHT I,D HELP A BIT LOL LOVE THE BIKE TOO KEEP SMASHING IT MATE ; )
i made the cut 👍🏼
Dude how do u break in a bike I broke my new 2003 new then by 4 tanks never more than 3quarter throttle
A couple heat cycles. Then 4-5 laps through all the gears east on the gas. Let it cool down. Then next time i go out balls to the walls. It’s brokenin
@@colewaller6613 Haha nodout I've got few buddy's that say basically same run er easy few times let cool down then drive it like u stole it WFO
Stuck between this and the 23 yz 250 🥴🤣
You cannot buy a cylinder head for a 2019 KTMXCWTPI. The TPI system is not working thousands of motorcycles of burning up
If only I was rich man 😂
You are over revving it use the midrange torque more.
For the low price of 13 grand
They are 10k lol
@@drewjackson4056 same thing
@@drewjackson4056depends where in the world you are
Zero vibration 🤔🤣
Just a little tickle ya know 😂
Carb swap is not that hard.
Junk not a yz250 2 stroke only bone to have that’s a real man’s bike
I’ve rode plenty yz250’s they’re much slower than this bike. And any real man’s bike is the cr500 not a little 250 pal
Please stop use this transition effect. You dont need transition effects at all, just cut the clips. All vid is super great, sound and colors. Overral 9\10 but transitions ruined it (style, bitrate and bad tone). Love to see new content
No thanks that bike will blow. YZ for me just mill head 60 Th. Run leaded gas drop main two sizes drop needle one notch shit just rips for less and won't blow.
Lol.. plenty of rides in, bike only runs better than before. Yz’s can be nice too. Thanks for the feed back.
@@colewaller6613 class well done grasshopper keep rippen.
Huge respect to KTM for keeping the 2 strokes alive. But in total 2 strokes are not great.
I don't own a 2 stroke. But I own a classic from the early 2000's.
2004 KTM 525sx. I will ''never'' get rid of this bike. Not for any 2 stroke on the market. It's the easiest bike to wrench on and it's a damn 4 stroke. Yes you heard me. It's a 4 stroke.
The waterpump is not down below like any other motocross bike. The valves are easy to deal with cus you don't have to take the whole damn thing off. Just open the 2 covers for the intake and exchaust and there you go. 10mm wrench and 0.12mm feeler cauge and you're done. Simple and easy.
Now when it comes to 2 stroke and the damn powervalves it's more hard to work on. It's a damn pay in the ass and no one tells you that. Everybody just goes blindly ''It's so easy to work on 2 stroke''. NO it's not! Everything except the piston you pretty much got the same deal like any other motocross bike. And I rather set the valves on this big 525 4 stroke then to fix a damn powervalve. It's more expensive too, Nobody tells you that either. They just keep quiet in that 2 stroke lie about everything is so easy.
Nice essay about your pos dinosaur turd of a boat, sorry “bike”. Dude you just have no idea what you’re talking about, and talking about it on a video about the pinnacle of modern 2 stroke technology.
I just had my KTM RFS 450 blow a valve through the piston which took out the crank. $1500 plus later she is back together. To rebuild full top and bottom end on my 2 strokes has been 1/2 that. Good thing is I upgraded the 450 to a 525, everything else about this is bad. Not sure how/where you get that 2 strokes cost more.
4 strokes are not great either
Just put money down and ordered my son one will be here in a few months I hope he likes it he hasn't ridden two stroke and quite a few years lol
He will!!!
Thanks how long you recommend break in