100 DRONES Before Building Units
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First guy blind countered himself lol
There was only 1 game
To be fair, so did the last guy.
Most normal Zerg opener
yeah, like Queens aren't "units". They only defend against EVERYTHING... ...
He did know about the gold base, he attacked it with Zealots shortly after you took it.
Yeah Harstem looking at the Hatchery being damaged "i dont think he knows"
Reynor standard build order challenge
5000 minerals!, hate to say it, but you should get a macro hatch
He was maxed out almost the entire time
@@Stardash81which should reinforce the need to get it more
@@DaRealLegacy how exactly does a macro hatch help when you cant make new units?
@@graverobber575 @@graverobber575 Throw some lings at their economy, also, being maxed out means you don't need minerals for units, so more hatches mean faster remaxxing
@@graverobber575 His biggest issue was lacking larva to remax with, so macro hatches would've helped with that. Harstem's injects aren't the best when he's in late game mode. Not a knock on him, he doesn't main zerg and it's hard to keep injecting in that situation. He also just stopped expanding which seems a bit odd when his bases would get mined out quicker than usual. He almost threw a game he was way ahead on lol
This probably was one of the most intense and enjoyable games I‘ve ever seen!
intense....
Saved me from saying it. Thank you
He made Overlords gg, he should only get more supply from hatcheries Kappa
Dude forgot that the oracle is called oracle after playing for 20 years
the 20 years is why, he doesn't know this new stuff
@@jeppel1972 That's not really new, specially for a Protoss player
@@zergling123 lmfao if you know you know
also he called his hive a nexus when upgrading to it
that protoss brain kicking
Lexus/Hexus
Question: Why didnt he clear protoses entire main when the entire army of protos was clearing his base? Couldnt he have won much sooner if he destroyed all buildings when he had the army there?
I was wondering that too. There was a good minute he was wandering around the middle of the map when he could've easily just cleared Protoss's main. Made it very close. The only thing I could imagine was that he knew the toss was supply blocked and thus couldn't make anything. And he didn't think he would win based off eliminating all buildings condition.
yup
Classic way for zerg to throw a game, lock yourself in your opponents main then get stormed to death trying to fight your way out.
Because hindsight is 20/20
As a random with a really crappy Zerg, this is basically my playstyle. Pumping waves of drones is just so satisfying compared to how Terran and Protoss train them so slowly.
oh, so its acknowledged Zerg builds them at an insane rate. (Takes a random player to admit it)
@@inmundo6927 at the cost of your army
legit against my protoss Harstem is dead because at 5 minutes i am hitting you with 8 gate charge lot and with 0 units your just dead
and that is why your zerg is crappy
in truth zerg don't build drones faster then terran or protoss they actually build them slower
Protoss warps in nexus builds probe, ques prob
Terran builds Command Center builds scv, ques scv
Zerg morphs into Hatchery, spawns larva then morphs 1st larva into drone, waiting for 2nd larva to spawn to morph into drone
see the difference
Terran and protss go straight to into building and queing while the zerg has to literally wait for the larva to exist to morph it into a drone, they can't que a damn thing up
this makes zerg harder to play because you need vision to play zerg, you need to be able to see where you are and where your going and how to get there, you lack any of these 3 things and your zerg is doomed s to suck forever
you play zerg and know it sucks because you do the same thing over and over again and the only thing that separates the sane and the insane is, expecting a different result while doing the exact same thing over and over again, so my question to you is
are you doing the exact same thing over and over again while expecting a different result?
and if you are then you are insane
@@ShelbySigouin This is copypasta worthy. No way anyone is this pent up and triggered over people stating obvious things like droning being the fastest way to pump workers, which is why in standard pro games, zerg is supposed to stay ahead in workers. That last paragraph is especially deranged, like who are you talking to bro?
I miss the greediest man alive.
Capitalism downhill
Captain, you made this so unnecessarily close.
yup
Drone so hard, Huk is tryna outmine me
Exactly
Make it 90 and your liquid ret
I was thinking as wel.. this is just another day in the life for good old Ret
@@Weimar 90 drones every game, what a legend truly ahead of his time we had no idea what he was going for
Somewhere out there, Day9 is smiling.
This is how I like to play AOE2 when I forget to build pikeman and get swarmed by 20 knights.
Not sure if it's already been done, but what about upgrading to 3/3 before building units?
At the end I noticed he actually had an observer in his base 26:54 XD
Now do it with protoss 😂
You have to cannon defend your own expansions.
It's non viable with other races cause you can't sacrifice your army production to produce more workers (or vice versa) as easily
Meh. Nice idea but poorly executed. Were it Serral he will end the game after hitting the 100 drone mark in 3 minutes by blowing up everything with banelings or something.
ok, next game rush vipers but you can't use "abduct". like, no hotkey for that spell. you can click it I guess because that's its' own handicap.
I used to play 3v3s with my friends. I played zerg and only built drones queens and hatcheries. I pumped all resources to my allies. It was kinda funny. I wonder if pros could use something like this in 3v3s or such.
in the first game you say its not great to lose a few drones and get attacked by the first oracle/adepts, however i would imagine you trading your tech and early units for drones means you trading a few drones for his army lessens the strength of the inevitable midgame attack. objectively a good thing for a zerg with 100 drones and queens to defend. I think you have relatively good defence early midgame when toss gets his first tech units out.
At the end, there is visible, that the prottos has observer in the bottom left corner of the screen.
Good call that Harstem didn't suicided his hydras for getting the Oracle.
You probably could have destroyed all his buildings ¾ of the way through
I feel like once you saw him going air mass corruptor with the lurkers you already had would have won pretty hard. Just leapfrog forward like you're terran
Wouldn’t you be able to rush evo chambers. And then when your units do spawn they have upgrades
beautiful green zerg, i like. also not a good idea destroying your own units =/
Gotta love it when even Harstem calls the oracle "the idot dude" 😂
How very Age of Mythology build of you!
If you muta and drop drones and lings they get salty
Wow crazy fantastic game, well done.
Finally some content that represents how I actually play
I used to always try shit like this in bronze league lol
Toss thinking if zerg build drones he winning :)
What a banger! You had me on the edge of my seat all game!
This is why 10 min no rush is the goat
what a nailbiter, great game!
"Oh he's going for disruptors, that's never a good call" XD
In PvZ
where does it tell you the # of drones you have? how do you always know exactly how many?
You hover the mouse over the supply number on the top right corner. Horrifyingly bad interface, it took me years to let it.
Definitely under droned
my favourite series
I have a weird thought. I saw some tournament matches TvZ against Serial. Both players started with cloak banshees and failed. I was thinking what would happen if Interference Matrix Ravens instead. They are the same price, and the Ravens have more health and starting armor, and the queens should be able to IM them.
Should be able to keep them alive easier, and later they should have with creep and burrowed units.
would just die to an attack, banshees have defensive value ravens don't have
No, that's just worse. The #1 reason to open with banshees is that they provide safety vs roach allins and later give you map vision and runby safety. Ravens don't provide any of that. They are also just worse as an opening unit as they don't force spores, which are quite costly for zerg in the earlygame.
feel like this challenge isn't really anything special as zerg lol, obviously it's a handicap, but making queens makes the challenge fairly moot
No, it's a pretty significant handicap that should not win most of the time.
If you are very low elo "under plat" it isn't that bad. But this strat should lose 90% of the time in higher elo...
Sick game
engagement
Ultras
0.o
😂😂😂😂😂
gg
QUEENS are not DRONES!! (classic zerg B.S.)
Firster comment.
I’m trying out this new strategy
Feedback welcome
toss had an observer until the end tho??
Challenge failed, you built queens before reaching 100 drones
This has to be against ai? How does anyone with even half a brain see zero army units and not just crush the opponent?😮
You clearly play at a much lower level and don't understand current PvZ meta if you think that this was so surprising.
@@mothrahlurker788any decent protoss would do some kind of stalkers early aggression poke or adepts glaives timing, and if they see opponent have no units from the early poking , they will def go for the ending. they wouldnt sit around and let zerg fully saturated 4 base. Moeron is not wrong.
Maybe it was a gentlemen's agreement. He saw heavy eco, and decided to match his heavy eco.
@mothrahlurker788 i am low level. And that's why I'm surprised. If I ever tried that as zerg on the ladder I'd be defeated by minute 3
@@Mysteryshopperr yep. Exactly. I'm sorry you will likely be attacked for having common sense agreeing with me lol
100 workers without units is not possible for Zerg, since they need Overlords to increase supply, this makes no sense.
Uhm, actually ☝️🤓
@@Amoeby AcTuAlLy
Am I right that Zerg should be able to get to 400 drones without a single overlord? Hatcheries only till 200 and than Clem's APM to get 200 spores morphing, 200 drones and a huge spore cancel? I'm too lazy to check.
Nevermind, disregard my comment, let's rephrase:
ACTUALLY
@@Avermra akshualie
@@mithcio soundsd like a nice challenge lol
Ive been playing zerg like this for 20 years
I do this all the time in diamond league , you'd be surprised how often it works