Which sci-fi PLAGUE / PARASITE is best? | Factions Compared: Halo, Dead Space, WH40k, Zero Dawn
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- On today's episode of Sci-Fi Factions Compared, we put the Flood from Halo against the Necromorphs from Dead Space, the Faro Swarm from Horizon Zero Dawn and the Tyranids from Warhammer 40,000!
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If we take the current flood and tyranids as they exist then i would say tyranids win with sheer numbers, if we take the flood from the forerunner flood war era then I'd say the flood wins
you r forgetting that the tyranids have a psychic blanking affect around that fleets that stop whole systems from using some psychic powers. If that affects the floods communication it will be the death of the flood.
The borg would have been cool
Can we be honest and say the real outcome would likely be the tyranids and flood combining into an unstoppable force of hunger and death.
Depends. But it is possible.
And papa Nurgle would gladly own it all...
Personally this is something I'd rather talk about rather th3n argue who would win between the the two, because it would never end
*Floodnids?*
*TyranFlood?*
*Xenos. Aliens. Mutants.*
"They are not glitches, they are features" -Bethesda Robotics
Is there a joke that I don’t get ?
Oh lmao I get it xd
I think
Antony Khoury you have a lot to learn
@@antonk1524 yeah you dont get it
one thing you missed about the flood was how any gravemind could corrupt a "smart" ai with the logic plague.
The fucking what
@@tophatstudios8183 Logic plague, it's a way the flood has on corrupting AI to their favor, so then the AI sabotages systems for powerful civilizations and leaves them vulnerable to the flood.
@@felipem7626 *holy fuk*
@@tophatstudios8183 indeed. The flood is extremely op. It's like a lovecraftian level threat.
Yeah even contender class Ai like Mendicant Bias
The Faro plague would probably be the best weapon to combat the other plagues if it was used as a weapon by a sentient species of sufficiently intelligent AI
Remember tyrannids fucked up whole galaxies, evolve, have swarms bigger than solar systems, can start cults, defeated demons, AIs, and demigods whiping out planets and every biomatter in it. Its gonna be hard stopping those mad lads
@@ethandew1768 Not denying you or anything but the Faro plague literally adapts to anything, the Tyranids would not be able to reproduce as the Faro plague is obviously made of metal. If a chariot gets killed by a Tyranid the other chariots would take note of that loss, send the data back to Hades, and evolve to combat that. The chariots all have advanced ranged and melee combat data. I would say that if the Faro plague had space flight like all the other races they would be a threat on the same level as the Tyranids. Each planet they would harvest more resources and multiply and evolve. In other words I say that the Tyranids and the Faro plague or on pretty equal terms.
@@nicholaswade211 your not wrong but on equal terms is an understatement because unless the faro plague gets eliminated almost instantly they would adapt perfectly to anything that's a treat to them basically if a tyranid ship gets too close to the faro plague and gets assimilated it's pretty much over for the whole 40k universe not even the warp can stop the faro plague from plaguing the whole universe and the thing is the faro plague doesn't have emotions thus the less biomass in the universe the less influential the warp gets until the final biomass is assimilated a faro plague invasion is by far the scariest cause it's the most likely to succeed in it's role.
@@lokiforpresident8361 I totally agree with you. With the capabilities the Faro plagues has they would definitely be a universal threat. Especially how any mechanical weapon thrown at them will be taken over (if it’s an AI that is) the Faro plague corrupter line also have good melee capability and speed. I feel the only threat to them would be too little biomass. But then again it only takes a single tree to fully power one robot.
@@nicholaswade211 until the universe runs out of biomass there will be constant invasions from the ferros the bad part is the horus might be able to upgrade itself the horus itself is bad enough but what about an upgraded horus?
The flood was so powerful, Bungie had to create a game to stop it
Haha
Games workshop couden't stop the Tyranids even with several games.
Bungie>Games workshop
@@E.K939 True, but the Flood haven't technically been stopped.
@@gumfireparalax1371 YEAH but they stopped being a sufficient enemy threat whilst the Tyranids were a constant force in the galaxy and remained as such after they're "defeat".
You forgot to mention the Tyranids that are attacking the Milky Way Galaxy are supposedly a scout force.
Shit ur right
This, this is the horror of warhammer.
and also the fact that the three main factions or variations of tyranids (kraken, leviathan and Behemoth) all came from different directions, meaning that the milky way might already be surrounded from all sides by tyranids, the fact that they can simply just slurp any dna and create a new creature using that dna is crazily scary, they can devour space marines and create the tyrant guards, heavily armored melee based infantry (not special infantry, they are as important as a single cadian shocktrooper)
I think that's just based on where they are currently. The Flood would likely be an equal or greater threat if given the same functionally endless resources.
@@Squigglyline52 the thing is, the tyranids do not rely on technologies of other species to infect and take over, but rather create their own to suit their needs
Another thing for the flood is, towards the end of the Forerunner-Flood war, slipstream space was beginning to breakdown, as the flood began to mess with the fabric of reality.
If the flood were in 40k at their highest in power they would epicly troll the tyranids by connecting the 2 dimension on top of the tyranids lol
@@connormcgehee9349 the most scary thing about the flood is that they haven't gone to their final stage called trans-galactic
@@connormcgehee9349 I think the most dangerous thing would be for the Flood and the Orks to exist in the same universe. The Flood would get access to easily infected, endlessly reproducing biomass.
Not to mention giving a super intelligence the ability to use the Ork’s reality warping psychic powers.
Sure, the Orks don’t add much intelligence to the Gravemind, but having unlimited reality bending soldiers would be a hell of an advantage.
@@Noplayster13 that's a great point. Plus while the orks don't add much wisdom to the gravemind the gravemind still gets like exponential Grey matter to think about things
They also stoped forerunner weapons/coms from working not just the shadow in the warp but also weapons stop working and with Star road wips that smack planets and solar systems around like ping pong balls. Final X factor is flood knows how to build and manipulate technology. This means if the flood needed to it could likely build and teleport in halo rings into the Tyrinds galaxy’s or those other forerunner/precourcer super weapons. Even on the Lowest tech access it can cobble UNSC or even Coveent slip space tech.
I think something that could easily be missed about the Necromorphs here, is that the marker signal is actually more effective against more intelligent species. Most 'common' people simply developed dementia, but the smarter the person was, the more they were driven to build markers, and it was designed to make the affected believe that the marker was extraordinarily beneficial to them in some way. So if you were to pit them against the Flood, for example, who can grow to massive levels of biological intelligence, and combine a hive mind affected by a marker signal, you suddenly have an entire colony as it were of super marker builders. Plus imagine a reanimated necromorph grave mind.
I hace seen in another vídeo that very Smart people can defend againts the Marker signal preventing them from becoming necromorphs
Thats just a brethren moon though.
@@blitzkr5329 That depends, Isaac Clarke is highly intelligent and the greatest threat to a marker in universe so far, but even he was forced to make a marker and tricked by them on multiple occasions in every game. In the end even as bad ass as Isaac was the markers won. Plus I doubt a grave mind could even hope to stand against a single brother moon.
@@table2392 i think you forget that a single gravemind is as intelligent then's of thousands of people and a keymind is a planet sized gravemind a single keymind is as intelligent if not more so than a contender class forerunner ai which could control millions of ships and make precise movements in the heat of battle without breaking a sweat, no matter how strong a bethern moon is it won't be able to overpower even a single keymind not to mention the fact keyminds are able to make use of precursor neural physics and, which includes starroads which could tear apart planets, a brethren moon against a keymind would get absolutely decimated.
@@skylerwilde-mitchell9791 Keyminds can infect/corrupt space-time itself, not to mention they can corrupt machines even though they're purely biological, whos to say they cant corrupt a marker?
One thing you missed is the fact that the flood can produce its own combatants, when they have a gravemind they can produce pure flood forms Wich are stronger and deadlier than a assimilated host (like the juggernaut for example)
another thing, the faro plague is scarier to me because it's actually possible
Tyranids producing literally ALL their units looking at this like:,
Tyrannids do the same thing while skipping the non pure form stage
Like the flood literally can’t use jackals and grants for biomass, the tyrannids would digest them for genetic info no problem
@@xypherath they can but they tipically ignore them because their bodies are small in comparison with the other species, they generally use them for biomass
You forgot that the flood gravemind remember everything from past grameminds so that could be another advantage on there part
The Flood: You cannot give up yet... Stay determined.
The Gravemind from Bungie Trilogy has mind of Primordial, the last Precursor and first Gravemind
@@yolospawn410 it has a linked information network. Like the opposite of the forerunner domain. So its not just the primordial. Its all things they have ever learned or consumed, past and present
And also the millions of year worth knowledge of both ancient humans and forerunners and also precursors knowledge can be passed down to
The new graveminds.
@@adityasharma0376 probably many times more than just millions of years
"Brethren moons are very difficult to stop"
the Imperium of Man : *laugh in exterminatus*
Late but the brethren moons can move at light speed and im pretty sure getting a ship close to one is not a good idea
@@ranbojd1070 Idk man, the Imperium of Man has got solar system spanning weapons of mass destruction at their disposal. Brethren Moons aren't much of a threat compared to what we see in 40K.
@@paleonyx7516 true but still a brethren moon pretty much like a "lesser god" it can still make a ship go insane
@Ryan Serdan the brethen moon can still do something that the chaos gods cant slap the shit out of people
@@ranbojd1070 astates are shown to be resestant to choas corrution id imagen it would be similar just send one with type 2 cyclonic torpedos that can attack at distance
One possible criterion for tie-break: their rivals/hosts.
Imagine the Imperium facing a Flood outbreak. The Inquisition burns planets to a crisp for threats much less apparent than grotesque parasites, and the Astartes are basically an army of Master Chiefs.
On the flip side, though, imagine a flood spore getting into a Psyker and/or attracting Nurgle's attention? Fucking scary.
Alas, I can't see things ending well for Halo soldiers facing a Tyranid hive fleet. Buuuut, I will admit to knowing far less about the Haloverse than about 40k.
oh i'm on the halo side of lore here but i'll tell you Tyranids would absolutely wipe the floor with most things from the halo universe, they just so OP.
I mean psykers are unstable as is so would probably just turn the flood insane what with all the crazy warp stuff happening and leave it as a blubbering fool. Then again do the flood even possess a warp presence? Do they have souls? The necrons are soulless and immune to the corruption of Chaos while Tau for example have no warp presence and have only been corrupted twice I think and only due to extremely long exposure to the warp.
You gotta remember that while the tyranids, as far as I'm aware, need to physically consume biomass to add it to their ranks, the flood do not. Basically what I'm saying is the imperium can fight the tyranids because the tyranids aren't an infection per say.
Flood spores are capable of infecting and converting promethean warrior servants in mere hours, or even days and I'm sorry but s ok ace marines pale in comparison to warrior servants. A spartan is about a quarter or even a third of a space marine, but as we all know from that quote in halo 1 "I recommend upgrading to at least a class 12 combat skin, your current model is only class 2"
Spark basically says that Mjiolnir armor is 10 grades below recommended flood containment armor. Like holy jesus, and imagine a space marine infected by the flood....just madness.
All in all the flood by being an actual infection that you can contact through the air or through contact with flood biomass makes it much more effective than almost**** anything the Tyranids can produce
@@colesrandomtoybox2676 yes yes but we're talking tyranids and not flood right? Well in that case let's introduce you to nurgle, humans, and tau.
The humans in halo actually cured the flood, with the mild problem that at that point they were retreating so hard that they were in forerunner territory... Yeah nice a galactic empire working together barely made a cure. But they made a cure.
Now the tyranids might actually be immune cause they can start to fight off the life eater virus. Sure they can't beat it yet but they got so close that the imperium can't virus bomb anymore. A virus made during the dark age of technology. In other words it's a galaxy of humans who could make tech that could destroy planets and solar systems in minutes. Fun fact terminator suits were suits used for manual labor in the dark age of technology. Yes tech that can survive a melta cannon which is at least 4 million degrees celsius, cause otherwise fusion wouldn't happen. Is a thing made for manual labor. The life eater virus was designed for war.
Yeah the tyranids might actually be able to not just cure the flood but completely demolish it.
Don't forget they are doing this while nurgle is throwing stuff at them. Nurgle, the god of disease can't infect them (partly cause the tyranids are too adaptable but maybe cause the warp fueled diseases can't do anything.) Only time any toxin or virus worked is cause the tau used plot armor and a virus while the tyranids were attacking and less able too adapt.
@@satan7350 there is one alternative to the tyranids with the halos
Meanwhile
Nurgle, in the warp: Allow me to introduce myself
The Tyranids (namely, Hive Fleet Gorgon) have successfully bio-engineered a flesh-rotting disease that has infected some Death Guard... Nurgle ain’t shit
@@napdragon7324 *throw more blight grenade at the giant space locust
@@napdragon7324 i can almost guarantee you that Nurgle not only studied that disease with glee but made a better one based off of the same principles. Good effort, but no one beats the god of plague when it comes to PLAGUE. Tyranids do have Nurgle's armies beat, though. He gon have to retreat to the warp, can't make the perfect disease for an infinitely genetically diverse species
@@napdragon7324 logic wise tyranid is too op. I think (im not sure not that hardcore fan) 40K universe still not meet with the main body of the fleet yet?
@@Animalisticbehavio Yes and No. with GW’s policy of everything is canon, either Leviathan is the main/rest of the tyranids, the forces in the Milky Way are a tiny, tiny portion of the full Tyranid might, or anywhere in between.
'we know very little about early tyranid invasions'
-lictors
-genestealers
-the genestealer cult.
accordingly, there has been found prehistoric tyranid fossils on some planets, predating the first tyranid invasion of planet tyran for millions of years at least.
I think what he ment is, that we have no Information about how Tyranids started, like with the very first "infection" if you will.
@@KossolaxtheForesworn like for example the Kraken of Fenris are probably the descendants of feral tyranids
I believe he meant the actual origins of the tyranids, which we know literally nothing of- beyond that they are from outside the milky way and were drawn here by Rowboats psychic beacon adventures
It is heavily implied that the tyranids were made by the old ones to consume all life and store its DNA, basically 40k’s halo devices.
One thing about the Farro plague that I think you overlooked is that they hack other AI so in the world they occupied, battles and wars were fought with AI. It left everyone with little to no means of defense.
Sounds like a weaker version of the logic plague
@@literallyatoaster4942 From what I hear, the logic plague is designed to fight against AI by corrupting data or making it things in ways that assist the flood. The thing about HZD's Farro Plague is that HADES isn't an AI. It's a program that thinks off of raw algorithms. I don't think the Logic Plague would have much effect, if any effect at all. I don't recall the Logic Plague completely rewriting systems, meaning the Farro Plague and HADES would probably just shrug it off and continue on.
I'm not sure how this would play out, honestly. But if HADES was initially programmed for Earth defense or planet reclamation and not life elimination, it likely would've adapted through it's learning algorithms to get off-planet and face the threat directly. With how fast the reproduction is, and with how it consumes bio-mass for fuel, the Farro Plague would likely have an easy time wiping planets clean of Flood or Tyanid infections. True, Tyranids and the Flood is terrifying, but I think the Farro Plague is more so, since it wouldn't take much more than a small code re-write or command input to completely wipe a nearby planet of bio-mass.
@@deathound Late stage flood can infect basically anything with the logic plague
@@deathound Interesting how you describe AI's, considering they are also raw algorithms, ordered to allow decision making and self-improvement.
While it is called the "Logic Plague", it is actually just a way of communication, the Gravemind using rhetoric on an AI/ a Being to distort it's sense of Duty and expose contradictions so that it could use them to further it's own influence. This ability is "created" with the creation of a Gravemind
Mendicant Bias was convinced that the Gravemind was the true Owner of the Mantle of Responsibility because it wanted to encapsule all Life and "transcend" it beyond death.
In other cases it would bombard research AI's with Precursor knowledge and views on the Mantle while also hacking into their systems.
The UrDidact was driven mad by the contradictions between the knowledge of the Gravemind and his pride in the Forerunners and made him act as a disturbance and threat to the Forerunners War efforts
Later on, the Act of inducing the Logic Plague became akin to a program, because it could be transmitted without the Graveminds direct action, but it is still just as potent.
As long as a System has a goal / parameters to follow and a decisionmaking algorithm, it is susceptible to the Logic Plague. The lower a systems complexity is, the easier it is to infect, as the system just has to be convinced that Flood-favoring actions are good ways to reach it's goal.
Whether it was the glitched out Swarm, that probably deemed All of Humanity to be an "Enemy" or Hades (who became a fullfledged AI) with an reactivated Plague who .... did the same, convincing them that the Flood would destabilize and reset the bioaphere would be easy.
It's either an eternal war between the floods or nids...or they would somehow combine...which makes it even more terrifying
Neither and both.
The tyranids and flood would enter a state of infinite assimilation of eachother becoming a galaxy sized mass of flesh and technollogy in a constant flux btween biomass types governed by a dual personal hivemind commanding floodanids to invade the multiverse.
Or they could merge, that would be insane, give a Gravemind the Tyranids psychic abilities and the Tyranids the Graveminds intelligence and the Universe is utterly screwed
Tyranids can evolve to a threat very quickly and efficiently. I do not know Halo lore well so if I’m wrong correct me but it seems the flood is limited to the life form it infects and can only mildly change it. The Nids would likely win at some point.
@@Alexander59059 for the longest time I thought nids were by far the strongest parasites in any fiction. Until I started dwelving more into the Flood.
Even though I consider myself a Halo fan, I had no idea just how powerful the Flood were. They can in fact infect anything, but choose mostly sapient species with a certain biomass for combat reasons mostly, otherwise its turned into biomass that terraforms environments.
They work in three stages:
1 - Uncoordinated
2 - Coordinated
3 - Galactic
Hands down nids win vs uncoordinated flood, since its at a stage where the flood are "primal", they only work by local hivemind or thru a proto-gravemind.
At a coordinated level, a gravemind is born and the Flood works at a quantum coordination level. Its a war of attrition at this point without any clear winners. Take note that for every victim assimilated into the Flood, their memories/skills/emotions are absorbed into it so to a degree, the gravemind not only remembers everything from previous graveminds but will add on to this universal knowledge. The more corpses a gravemind is made up of, the more exponential its intelligence is.
After a few million corpses given to the gravemind, it arrives at the galactic stage. Here its intellect becomes so far beyond comprehension that its able to coordinate on a galactic scale, as well as actually develop psychic abilities. A gravemind at this stage is able to fuck with time and space itself; opening wormholes, change the perception of time to its adversaries, create singularities and generally so massive that just its proximity to a world dooms it.
Alternatively, if it weren't bad enough, gravemind have the logic plague: a ideo-semantical means to "infect" non-organic life thru philosophy, well-chosen words spoken at a slow-burn pace. Essentially using swaying words to make artificial intelligence to sway into its favor/side.
Graveminds are scary as fuck. While the Nids have also their enormous strength, I cannot even picture the biggest nid swarm facing a full-on galactic gravemind and winning.
Edit: Flood can also intergrate without problem technology into their ranks. Not only having its fighters pick up guns and using them, but have entire fleet of ships converted with biomass and said mas utilizing the ships, even potentially create things thru their fallen adversaries' technologies.
@@Peusterokos1 I never knew the Flood could be so powerful. At that point the Grave-mind would probably be able to use its psychic power to overload the Tyranid hive mind, if not the flood would still be better in almost every way, The only advantage they would have is that the Nids have no technology to steal or be corrupted.
@@Alexander59059 The nid's greatest advantage against the Flood would be sheer numbers, actual psychic fighters (Zoanthropes), production of integrated bioweaponry and their high-evolutive abilities; all they'd have to do to avoid flood infection is reformating/remove their nervous system. However, The Flood would simply avoid the latter's answer by attacking the Nid's targets.
It would probably assimilate humanity/eldars into the gravemind, farm orkz for fighters and persuade the necrons to join their ranks with the logic plague in a WH40K setting.
The key aspect for the Flood's victory would be to achieve the galactic stage before the bulk of the Nid's fleets arrives in the galaxy. On a note, the Flood would actually do poorly against Chaos since the only psychic entity the Flood have is the gravemind itself.
Tyranids scare spacemarines......
Anything that can scare a spacemarine is unspeakable....
Flood do the same thing
@@TWO_THOUSAND_SEAVY_HEAVY No, they really don't. Infection forms can't actually get through space marine armor, and even if they could the mental strength of a space marine is such that they resist all but willful corruption (chaos). Tyranids, though, can peel a space marine's armor apart like it's aluminum foil (which is saying something, given that space marine armor is 6 inch thick steel alloy). Seriously, the flood wouldn't even stand a chance against the imperium given the amount of exterminatus that the imperium wields, let alone the 'nids.
@Psyke ᛟ you right
@Psyke ᛟ ok. Replace "scare" with the words " heavily concern" to be honest. Its actually more accurate.......
Hey Space Marines know no fear!
What ever they say even tyranids cant survivr Catachan Jungle.
I only really know stuff about the flood, but you missed some stuff.
The flood can make their own combatants called pure forms, made of only converted biomass. They are adaptable and some even have ranged attacks.
Another thing is graveminds (central flood intelligences) retain the memories of previous graveminds, meaning all knowledge gained by the flood is permanent, even millions of years after the flood gained it. Even if all previous graveminds are destroyed, if the flood regains a foothold the knowledge remains. Also there can be multiple graveminds at once, some even covering entire planets (these are called keyminds).
They can also use mechanical tech, being able to "infect" vehicles and ships. This allows them to leave planets to infect other solar systems and the like. They can also do weird psychic stuff like portals but we dont go into that. One more thing is sentient ai can also be converted to the floods side via something called the "logic plague" where a gravemind will essentially convince an ai to join them using all of its accrued knowledge
The tyrannids make pure biomass forms by default and are way more adaptable, but you are right of the shared knowledge of flood
@@xypherath actually flood have same level of adaptability of tyranids not inferior ones, nanotech doesn't work against them, supernova'ing entire solar systems don't, and they instantly adapted to very specific genetic mutation that was designed to make them turn against each other by ancient humanity by sacrificing 1/3rd of their whole population so no tyranids aren't more adaptable, flood and tyranids have equal adaptability with flood having advantage in instantly infecting hosts and taking their knowlegde and ability to use and even infect technology and AIs
tyranids have more numbers, but if it's flood at height of forerunner flood war then nothing short of war in heaven factions can even tickle them
@@infamouspotato2028 tyranids can instantly infect hosts too-- that's part of what a genestealer infestation is about. Read the Ciaphas Cain books-- the tyranids effortlessly infect sentients and worse yet-- they retain their personalities, just have their priorities rewritten by the hivemind-- for that extra element of horror.
@@Xebelan I’m a huge fan of both Universes. A quick note on genestealers, they infect organisms yes but major implications from this are not instant by any means. It takes time for genestealer cults to infiltrate planets to pave the way for a successful invasion. A small flood outbreak can quickly grow to a planetary wide problem in days if it isn’t contained, genestealer cults take years to infiltrate and the hive mind takes some time to arrive to harvest. Both swarms of enemies would be hell to fight honestly lol.
@@aaron5988 Then you know Genestealers can infect soldiers in the time it takes to dig them out of rubble in sources-- enough to turn them on their fellows. Enough so that any suspicious wound on a guardsman will get them shot. The infestation/cult takes years because the way the vanguard works as it tries to spread quietly and painlessly as long as possible-- with some takeovers being relatively bloodless because everyone is infected and so they can send feelers out to as many nearby worlds as possible before the hive ship arrives to devour. It's not because the infestation can't work faster-- it's because it doesn't benefit the Tyranids to.
People talk about the Tyranids, but the Flood, once grown far enough, can warp time and space itself like they did at the end of the forerunner war. The Tyranids are incredibly powerful but they can't warp space itself. I think, I could be wrong though, there's always some Warhammer lore that can prove you wrong lmao.
old comment i know but they can warp space. when the tyranids swarm a planet their presence in the Warp is so massive it distorts it and prevents proper warp travel, basically isolating the planet from the imperium.
@@averylei4236 that's true, but the flood should be able to do that AND teleport, aswell as apparently bend time, pr atleast it's perception. Although this is me rehashing what has already been said in comments so could be wrong I'm willing to bet it's true
They have very powerful Psykers which can pretty easily warp space. Psychic powers, manifesting both physically and mentally, are actually very central to how the Tyranid swarm functions. Tyranids are also capable of *preventing* others from warping space which is what the first reply was referring to, and is another central reason why they are so dangerous in a universe full of super-soldier space wizards.
@@DoctorGrim456 The scary thing is if all of those are done through the Flood's pure psychic influence, then that'd be awful for them encountering the Tyranid's due to the natural "Shadow in the Warp" which to go into more detail about what the first common said, what it effectively is, is the Tyranid's pure psychic influence is so substantial and overwhelming, it entirely dwarfs all other forms, preventing any kind of psychic abilities to function or psychic communication, which could in theory behave like a direct counter to many other hivemind's way of communication.
I'm not sure if other fictional hiveminds would be able to counter this as well as lacking the ability themselves.
hey bro fellow Halo lover um I don't know much Warhammer but I do know that the most probable outcome will be the flood being outnumbered and whipped out as they won't have enough time to produce any pure life forms or grave minds I'm pretty sure teranids "spelt wrong" have a literal hell presence and are just already to far above the flood in terms of development" please prove me wrong"
The issue with the Faro plague is that they have been shown to be incredibly adaptive. The FAS BOR7 HORUS, for example was only ever killed maybe 3 times. There were thousands of them. Each time one was killed, the swarm took note, and did not allow it to happen again. The one that was killed in Cleveland was killed when its arms were locked in place, allowing its "brain" to be exposed and destroyed. The swarm never let that happen again. The swarm works by identifying consumable life and threats to the swarm, and killing both. There were no offworld objectives, therefore no reason to travel. They self replicate faster than railguns and nuclear bombs can kill them. Not to mention that they can corrupt and control any machine or piece of tech available to them.
one of the big things with the faro plague as well... was that this version of humanity was not active space faring and colonizing. if the faro plague was aware of mass space travel and other human colonies or just other life outside the scope of earth, it would more than likely consumed earth moved to a different planet, and so on. like you think skynet would eventually do.
It shood also be noted that HADES is a thing that exists. if HADES wasn't defeated it woud likely take full control of the swarm and beggin adapting it even more rapidly thanks to it's scentience , this time maybe even realizing that it coud travel into space.
There are several barriers to them being able to travel in space, the biggest being none of them are designed for it, and they only seem to be capable of replicating the designs of their three base models, not of creating new designs. However, they can destroy a world much faster than say, the Flood can if starting from scratch.
@@Coolguy98765432q457 Its a good thing Ted Faro didn't try to make a spaceship to escape on his own or something
When HZD2 comes out I’m 100% certain we’re going to kill a HORUS
You know what would be interesting? Nurgle vs Flood
Go on...
Ok, now THAT'S a match up!
Wtf a god vs some trash bags with legs? You kiddin?
@@spethmanjones2997 A god of sickness. He would likely love the flood due to them being what they are
Flood would win purely because nurgle would let them win as he would like them so much
Honestly, The Flood. A single spore can reproduce on a scale that I can't even explain. A single world can fall within days, the technology would be assimilated and improved. They were even known to control Halos and turn A.I.s against there creators.
I disagree. While a problem, the 'normal' answer to tyranid invasion is 'Blow up the planet'. When you face a foe where it is easier to sacrifice an entire world than to actually face it... Kinda wins the arguement.
@@charleshammond7921 that’s exactly what the forerunners and ancient humans protocol in halo is for the flood
@@charleshammond7921 I partially agree in that it is better to go ahead and wipe a world than let the flood take it. However, given the horrible response times of the imperium, it would be nearly impossible to arrive in time with warp travel to yeet exterminates ordnance into it. By the time an imperium force arrives to any moderately populated planet, it’s too late. Hell half the imperium ships will probably arrive in the wrong location anyway XD. So really the imperium would have to get lucky and hope the flood arrives in systems with massive imperium fleets, or that they somehow arrive in time to burn the planets. If the flood have to use warp travel it might mitigate that some, but even then a gravemind would just travel to many worlds each time and I’m sure a couple will fall with each wave
@@charleshammond7921 This is also a normal protocol for a forerunner, with also the detonation of supernova and creation of black holes as defens, I think they are pretty similar in this
@@charleshammond7921 A single Forerunner ship can singlehandedly stomp the entire 40k universe and they couldn't even stop the flood.
Dont forget that the flood also has something called neural physics, where once knowledge is absorbed into the hive, it is permenatly a part of it, even if the gravemind and all the flood is destroyed, the knowledge remains. A new gravemid inherits this knowledge when it is created.
tryranids don't have individual knowledge but the knowledge is stored in the hive I don't really know how that works but I know there's more tyranids then there are flood sure under the circumstances the flood would win but they don't have those circumstances
@@justanotherguywithoutamust2701 just gonna put it out there but we all can agree that the further a flood infection is, is when they start curb stomping the nids, a flood infection at its base is nothing more then a parasite with overwhelmingly high caps on power, nids in the WHM40k universe have already reached there theoretical cap and the only thing left for them is to finish the universe off, that being said it heavily relies on if the flood have a grave mind or not, if not the flood essentially have a stalemate of not being able to win at all and just exist in the universe, while if they do get a grave mind then that is when the scale of power tips towards the flood, a grave mind at its lowest knows about the technology of any past flood infection including the forunner flood war, that alone is enough to exponentially increase the power of the infection, the flood also have the ability to gain knowledge its self, and if given the chance can most likely overpower the nids own central intelligence and take it for itself, at that point the nids lose, and the flood proceed to move on to a transdemensional stage in under a few years based on the universe they are in.
@@justanotherguywithoutamust2701 When they used a star road as a weapon, i saw those circumstances as an ultimate victory.
@@justanotherguywithoutamust2701 Id like to point out a misconception people have with the creation of a grave mind, it actually has nothing to do with the consumption of intelligent species and is based purely on the considerations of bio-mass, when there is sufficient bio-mas there is the gradual "re-awaking" of previous existing intelligence of grave-minds. Admittedly the consumption of intelligent species does accelerate this but it is not necessary in terms of the re-awaking intelligence.
The Faro swarm is interesting since it could stop an early to moderate flood invasion. And even a near end game necromorph invasion. Its unique ability to fuel itself with biomatter turns the other's strengths against them. Its the only faction that could starve the others out of resources. Alone out of all the factions it's the only one that would cause the tyraind fleet to ignore the planet since it is depleted of biomatter.
Zachary Hawley The first thing I thought of was that, in a vs debate, the Faro Plague would have a massive advantage because the other factions would be unable to consume it.
@@darthfenrir7773 That's a massive advantage. Without a doubt. If faro ever got off world the rest of the factions would be screwed.
Especially interesting is that, though the Plague feeds on biomass, it, by virtue of being a mechanical faction, *also* benefits from raiding the tech of other robotic factions; if the Plague were to win a fight against, say, Necrons, it could then start pulling apart the remains to build more robots. Not only can it mince organic parasite factions, it doesn't fall into the Tyranid trap of being hard-countered by robots.
The Flood could infect the Faro Plague with the Logic Plague, turning them into Flood allies
When the Tyranid absorb planets after subjugating them they don't just grab biomass but also all mineral deposits as well (which is one of the reasons their carapaces are harder than most combat armors in wh40k). Given their extremely fast adaptability and evolution rate, and the fact that they already use non-biomass I would highly doubt that the Faro Swarm's lack of biomass would be an issue for them.
When you said one human, you meant the Master Chief, *The Master Chief.*
*master* *chef*
Still just a human though 🤷🏿♂️ not a god
@@fuckboiactual1976
Do you even know how Master Chief destroyed the Flood?
The dude literally had to use a Halo Ring, an ancient superweapon designed by the Forerunners, which is capable of destroying all life in the galaxy, to destroy the bulk of the Flood threat. Those same rings were used as a last resort by the Forerunners near the end of their long conflict between the Flood. The Forerunners were so desperate that they destroyed all life in the galaxy (not before preserving all or most life on the Ark, which is outside of the Milky Way) just so they could stop the Flood.
There is no way the Chief could've just walked up and killed them all by himself, he would get infected.
Fuckboi Actual not a fuckboi like you lol he was augmented beyond your limited understanding
Heretic!
This video got me to play Horizon: Zero Dawn. Thanks Ekharts' Ladder.
Is it good? Interested in getting it...
@@Lewd-Tenant_Isan yeah, it's pretty good. One of the better open world stealth-action with crafting elements games out there.
@@Coolguy98765432q457 aww cool! Can't wait to get it
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This video got me to finally buy Halo
I personally think the technocyte virus in Warframe is the most terrifying since it runs 1. Runs on a hivemind, 2. Can infect BOTH living and mechanical/artificial begins and 3. Has a near 100% infection rate.
Warframe has a lot of terrifying bioweapons hiding in the lore. Underrated future-apocalypse universe.
Just like the flood from halo then
Literally the Flood as well
So.. the same as the Flood?
Isn't that just a weaker flood? The floods pretty much just that but it absorbs knowledge as well. Infact as soon as any knowledge is found by a flood it's permanently apart of the flood even if it never touches or is learned by a sperate hive of it. When a grave mind is formed it gains all knowledge from every other grave mind that's ever existed
Man I love watching channels grow, I've been here since the start and just want to congratulate you on your child!!
Yeah man, I've been here since he started starship vs videos. Although I haven't really commented much xD
Well lets hope the views improve
necromorphs are beyond terrifying. honestly the bots from zero dawn might be a hard counter to them as they are technically bio matter the machines may be able to consume and they cant be added to the necromorph collective since they arent organic.....
Yeah while the necromorphs are actually horrifying and effective, they are still bio matter and the best defense is the marker fucking up the machines in range of it.
@@deadman9335 even if the marker could mess w the machines which i doubt given how broken the ferro machines were ai wise it wouldnt matter if they kept coming and wrecking then consuming necromorphs then repairing and multiplying
@@Nomadic_Gaming that is what I was saying. The only thing that they could do is try and break them with a marker pulse. But I don't know if it would work
This is why I pose a counter to the Feros plague. The Infestation from Warframe. A fungus-like growth originally designed to serve as an interface between man and machine, the Infestation grew out of control. The Infestation is able to infest both man and machine due to it's interface abilities, and as we see with the Helminth and and the creatures of Deimos, the disease is fully capable of intelligence.
@@dragonheart1236 yeah I went to Deimos recently. It is intelligent but I don't think I have seen the full extent of it yet
I think you could also add the reapers from mass effect as well they'd fit handsomely here as a like cross between Necro and brood
The reapers get corrupted by the logic plague
Great video but several things were missed about the necromorphs, first they can utilize any Biomass but need Sentient Beings to form a Brethren Moon, and like the flood they can create pure forms.
The necromorohs also spread a virus like the Flood, this virus seems to do the same as the flood does and assimilates and changes dead cells into a cell like version of the virus, essentially transforming them.
Third, Necromorphs are never killed they are simply stopped from attacking, and will be reabsorbed to use as biomass.
Finally we don’t know if the Brethren Moons are the Necromorphs final stage, while so far we haven’t (and most likely will not) see what happens if the brethren moons are endangered enmasse, it would seem possible for them to combine into something larger and more dangerous.
I absolutely adore the end card. That Corgi is worth the extra 10 seconds of every video every time.
*PAT. PAT PAT PAT*
*HEAD RUBS*
Makes me smile every time.
i always wonder why he looks like he's coming out of the gaybar from police academy, it looks like he's wearing the same masochist-leathercap featured there
Warframe's Infested , and heck even Starcraft's Zerg deserve a little love in this list. (I understand no time , just mentioning)
You mean the flood 2.0 with the infested, right?
Zerg are basically, the same thing as Tyranids, with just a little diferences.
@@diogoteixeira4950 They are like Tyranids, but with an actual plot backing them.
SGT Sackwack pretty much except they can infect guns, machines, armour and robots. Also are able to fuse flesh with metal.
@@SGT-SackWack Nahh technocite virus (the infested from Warframe) is so much more. It can infect even machines and fuse byological and non-biological with even robitic things. Prime example would be Jordas Golem. AI fused with ship and with biological crew turned into mush. What you get? Massive infested space ship with inteligence of AI durability of best space ships and regenerative abilities of organic beings. If you ask me thats scarier than flood.
I’d like to see a recap on Destiny’s nanovirus, SIVA. It seems that the nanovirus itself is almost sentient while it “perfects” its victims.
You would be more or less correct. It kind of is. It is told what to do. But is kind of sentient.
I say this as a massive Destiny fan:
SIVA would get utterly trounced in this competition. It’s cool, but ultimately it’s a human-made virus going up against eldritch abominations from the blackest pits of space
Use the great calamity war for the flood, should be as “equal” to current Tyranid activity (also it’s hinted that everything outside of the Milky Way is flood so they are very much infinite) also flood can very easily take over ships and spread cross planet, as shown in terminal videos in the halo anniversary games, the only reason they didn’t escape the rings is due to containment protocols, and if a flood absorbed, say, an engineer, they could definitely built their own means of space travel, it’s also very possible that the flood are the dead cells of “gods” being the forerunners punishment for killing the undying
Even with ftl travel Key minds wouldn't have been able to reach more than a small part of the universe. No telling what happens if and when they meet a civilization that will give them trouble.
@@CitrusPeppercorn in the anniversary terminals it’s implied the flood are still rampant outside our galaxy and drifting here slowly, there is no specification on life time either, they simply don’t need it
It’s also hinted that tyranids are the only thing outside the Milky Way
@@pinkcactuz1252isn't it hinted that the trynids are actually running from something tho? What the hell scares them.
I would say the Tyranids, for a reason that not many have mentioned:
Self-sufficiency.
Ignoring all other matters for a moment (like numbers, potential, adaptability etc.), between these four here the Nids are simply the most complete pachage out of all of them. The only thing they require is bio-mass, just bio-mass, in whatever form it might be.
For example, put a few Flood spores or a Marker or a few fero gatherers on a, say, forrested planet that only has trees and plant life or heck, lets through in a few simple animals, and all these plagues would do is very limited in scope.
Starting of, the fero swarm will just consume everything and just faf around because of it's programming. The Marker will start the very slow progress of evolving whatever sentient life there might exist (if any) and the Flood will also seek to infect sentients which, again, if there aren't any or if they are just simple animals, it will be stuck on the planet for a long, long time.
The Nids on the other hand will consume the whole planet in a matter of days, accelerated by the fact there is no resistance and hence no need to develop combat forms, and after cosnuming the planet they will create literal organic FTL spaceships and proceed to consume more planets.
The Nids just work on a whole other level.
The Flood and Nids are extremely similar, both have consumed countless species and planets and both have the knowledge to make ships as the Floods knowledge transfers from Gravemind to Gravemind. But the Floods influence across the universe is unknown and likely to have spread into multiple galaxies, as no matter how many times they've been destroyed or defeated they've always come back.
@@Beau_Gan
I think you fail to look past any fanboy-ism here for anything Halo. Look up the general basis of the Tyranids. They consume ALL biomass... Meaning all plant life, all sentient and non-sentient life, water, etc.
When the Nids are done with a planet, it leaves a barren rock behind. The only thing that would be left is the buildings (the debris that remained) and the crust of the planet. Every form of life, or anything needed for life would be turned into biomass.
Everyone always wants to say how the Flood is so much better than the Nids because of their intelligence absorbing abilities, and how it's better than the Nids.
Here's the thing, the Flood will go dormant on a planet if there is no intelligent life to be consumed. The Tyranids on the other hand, everything that is living or needed for living, it's all fucked.
And once consumption is done, they move on to the next planet. Need I mention that the Tyranid ships are A LITTERAL GIANT FUCKING TYRANID?
And the Nids are stupidly adaptable to any situation. The can make combat forms that are strictly designed to deal with the Flood.
Gg all alien races.
@@thesonofmalice1999 You have a good point but you're wrong, once a Flood outbreak has gathered enough biomass (could be literally anything) their Gravemind will form into a Keymind a.k.a a planet sized Gravemind and they wouldn't go dormant as the Graveminds knowledge includes the ability to teleport as shown in Halo 2 (If one Gravemind knew how to do something all Graveminds at the same time and after know how to do it).
@@Beau_Gan
Yes, but the Tyranids are adaptive to OP'd levels. Yes, I won't lie/deny that they would get pretty fucked up after the first 20-50 encounters, but the Flood is limited on its adjustment.
The Tyranids, once they figured out what the weaknesses of the Flood were, they would make specialized bio-forms and bio-titans that are strictly designed to deal with the Flood. Not to mention certain Tyranids forms can LITERALLY shoot BIO-ACID, which is not very good to have on flesh, which is what the majority of the Flood is, morphed flesh, where as the Nids have plating.
I won't deny, I don't entirely know how a battle like that would go down, but I'd pay to see it.
@@thesonofmalice1999 And the flood would overwhelm and destroy whatever form they created, remember the Forerunners had tried 1000 other plans and failed including but not limited to creating creatures designed to deal with the Flood. At one point they tried using the Lekgolo (the worms that make up Hunters) to fight the Flood because they aren't susceptible to infection due to a lack of nervous system, but the Flood just killed them and added them to their biomass.
The biggest strength of Unitology/Necromorphs isn't at all the actual organisms, it's the the phycological power of the Marker.
Any "invasion" wouldn't be a front on attack, it would be a slow corruption from within, slowly turning the peoples of any faction, against themselves, by coercing them into making more Markers, and distributing. A large pull, is that they also don't see it as an invasion, but a uplifting. This can lead to faction infighting to try and continue the spread.
Stopping Unitology, comes down to how far the corruption has gone.
Lets put that into say the star wars universe.
An invasion would likely start in the unknown regions where you have lots of aliens, some even have their own ships and colonies. Any species that has yet to discover space flight would likely be consumed as food or to create new moons. Markers would be sent out to corrupt the minds of any species still evolving on their planet or to fall into the hands of space faring species. In the time of the empire, one such marker ended up in the known galaxy and through the physiological effects, be seen as something more. Showing them with the dream of glorious convergence. With organized religion being banned in the empire, this new religion would start off underground becoming something of a mix of rebels and unitologists.
Like the rebellion, this religion would spread but as a more peaceful movement, fighting for the right to practice their new found beliefs in glorious unity of mind, body, and spirit. On an imperial controlled planet, this peaceful movement becomes more hostile after one of their markers is either found on the planet, or perhaps brought to the planet. The Empire, would try to destroy it, resulting in a mass riot resulting in thousands of deaths. The imperial troops would find the marker isn't easy to destroy, perhaps being made of some new material the Empire could use. So the forces on the ground start to move the marker to the space port to bring it up to a waiting star destroyer. One of many in the imperial blockade erected in response to the previous event.
Many of the troopers and imperials on the ground would become more violent, willing to kill anyone for any reason. Citizens begin to fight back not only getting them selves killed, but also killing some of the imperials.
Eventually, bodies start to vanish along with random citizens and storm troopers.
The marker is taken aboard but before they could leave, a mass exodus of ships flee the planet. Reports of an infection killing people spread. To ensure the blockade holds, and prevent this infection from spreading, the ships open fire on the escaping civilians. Some of which end up crashing into the hull of warships, if not brought into the warships via tractor beams. No one escapes, but now, reports of an attack begin to spread form ship to ship. Many ships go silent, some are even destroyed, but very people survive.
Assuming no message made it back to the rest of the empire, a new moon would be born with any survivors either left insane or with the mental blueprints to build more markers. They would be recovered by an investigating imperial fleet or by the growing rebel movement or even by the religious cultist.
I don't know if you know, but Tyranids have a similar psychological effect due to their distortions of the Warp. And their Genestealer Cults are actually very similar to Unitology.
@@mattstorm360 that actually sounds like a good idea for a movie. Make a Dead Space Star Wars crossover.
@@alect5953 Honesty, i been looking into mining tools in star wars lore to do such a thing.
The flood can also do this based on when they had a grave mind on the other side of the galaxy in halo 3
An couple interesting thoughts:
-Could a Dead Space Marker affect a Flood Gravemind?
-Could a Dead Space Marker affect the Tyranids?
-Could the Faro Plague robots absorb the biomass of the other Parasites on this list?
-Could the Flood Gravemind eventually take control over the Faro Swarm or would it be too difficult for it?
-If a Flood Gravemind has absorbed every (or most) of the Milkyway's biomass, would it be more intelligent than the Tyranid's Hivemind?
-Could any of the parasites take over a planet that is being devoured by the Faro Plague? (I'm not sure, it probably depends how far they are as the Markers seem to only work on intelligent beings like humans, the Tyranids take a lot of time to prepare and harvest a planet, meaning they'll have some setbacks with those robots consuming the biomass they need. The flood probably has the best chance as they don't need intelligent beings, but they do prefer it so they can quickly make a proto-gravemind.)
-Would the Tyranids even attempt to interrupt Zero Day (the moment the Faro Plague has consumed all of Earth's biomass)?
-Could the Faro Plague/Swarm eventually advance enough to travel to other planets to continue their endless 'need' for consumption?
Regarding the question of if a Gravemind can take over the Faro Swarm, the answer to that is almost certainly: Yes. The Logic Plague in the hands of a Gravemind is one thing, as its designed primarily to subdue AI. However in the hands of a Keymind, the Logic Plague can be used to infect literally any form of intelligence, no matter what form it takes. Keyminds in the Forerunner-Flood War used something called Neurophysics in tandem with the Logic Plague to infect space-time itself, an arguably much more difficult feat than infecting the Faro Swarm.
I also doubt the marker could affect a Gravemind, as if some humans are immune to its effects, then all it takes is a singular flood spore infecting any immune creature, to make the entirety of the flood across all reality immune. If the Flood has access to a Keymind, I'd be confident saying it wins practically every engagement. However if the flood can be stopped before it can create a Keymind, then its easily the weakest of the mentioned factions in the video.
@@celarc99Nobody is immune to markers. There are people who are resistant to it meaning it takes longer for them to go insane.
@@titantheguardian7524 Exactly. If a mere human can be resist it for years on end, then imagine something which is so far beyond human intelligence that it doesn't even consider us microbes.
A Marker probably can affect a gravemind but a Brethern moon probably can overide a Keymind
The X Parasites from Metroid could easily place on a list like this. In concept they're essentially John Carpenter's The Thing on super steroids just going off of how fast they spread. They're able to consume/replace all life on a planet in a matter of hours. No, that's not hyperbole. The exact amount of X that started the infection aren't known but they can reproduce fast, fly, phase through most materials and the only thing immune to them are the Metroids who also serve as the X's only predator. The X can copy the DNA of their hosts (living or dead), being able to perfectly replicate the form of previous hosts as well as copy their memories and experiences as well. The X can also alter the DNA of the forms they assume to better suit the X's purposes as well as combine the traits of two or more organisms a particular X have copied in the past (this can result in some Cronenberg monstrosities).
The X have only been in Fusion and are stated to be in Metroid Dread so there isn't as much information on the X compared to the Flood so we don't know what an end game infection of the X would be like. This is because, as far as the Metroid universe is concerned, an X Parasite infestation is immediate grounds for Exterminatus. The entire planet has to go, the X cannot be allow to survive. If the X assume the form of an intelligent species like humans and spread to 2 or more planets, that's it. Samus is part Metroid and can oppose the X but they reproduce too fast for Samus to hunt them all down, even when confined to the BSL Station in Fusion. X in their base forms are unaffected by Samus' beams and Missiles. Power Bombs are essentially nukes that vaporize most everything in it's radius, but X in their base gelatinous forms are stunned for a few seconds. You need weapons of mass destruction to kill X in their base forms, that by itself is a huge issue.
@@danjoredd In Metroid Fusion, Samus surmised that if they X are able to consume the knowledge of an intelligent species and get access to a ship, they would spread across the galaxy at an exponential rate. We don't know if the X would do that for sure since there was a group of Chozo that attempted to make a settlement on SR388, the X homeworld, long before Samus arrived on SR388 and the X hadn't spread across the entire planet. It's after the Chozo dug into SR388 to harvest it's unique Aeion energy source did the Chozo encounter the X.
The one and only priority of the X is the survival of their species, willingly sacrificing themselves in large numbers if necessary. There was an X in Fusion that took the form of a scientist to cause the main boiler on the BSL Station, the space station Metroid Fusion takes place on, to go critical. Had Samus not stopped this, the BSL would have been destroyed and Samus would have been killed along with all the X on the station. There were many powerful X hosts on the BSL including the SA-X, an X clone of Samus at full power. Destroying all of that was deemed a worthy sacrifice if it meant killing Samus, the last Metroid. Another example is when the X adapted to the sub-zero temperature zone of Sector 5. These new blue X would freeze Samus from within if she absorbed them. This would hurt Samus since she's now part Metroid and inherited their weakness to cold. So, these blue X set out to chase Samus down in large numbers so she could absorb them, sacrificing themselves in however many numbers were necessary to kill Samus. The X don't have a hive mind per say, but they are able to work together to stop Samus in several ways throughout Fusion.
As we've both stated, the biggest shortcoming of the X in a debate like this is the lack of information. They haven't been in many Metroid games so we don't know how they would react if they had access to intelligent hosts for a long period of time, especially since the X don't share a hive mind like the Tyranids or have the sort of "ancestral memory" of the Flood. The biggest danger is how quickly they can spread and that you need high yield explosives to kill X since Samus' Power Bombs stun X for a few seconds and that's it.
True, true…
You must have made this Prior to dread showing that yes, they X attempt to go from planet to planet. But the X have multiple advantages over both Flood and Tryranid not mentioned.
1. Hyper evolution/mutation: The X don't just infect a life form, they mutate it to be much more powerful than it was before. If a threat, like Samus, comes along, then it keeps mutating to make even stronger forms, even giving the creatures abilities they never had before.
2. Multiplying while infecting. The X can multiply rapidly while in transformed states. During Fusion, the X were capable of multiplying while they were still transformed as Samus' power suit. According to Adam, there were 10 SA-X on the ship by the end. 10 fully powered Samus could easily take an army.
3. Neigh invulnerability: Metroids we're literally created because not even the Chozo, whose technology once allowed them to rule the galaxy during their waring days, couldn't stop them. They needed something that literally ate life energy to stop them. Outside of a nuke, they are unstoppable.
They do have glaring weaknesses. If a gate or strong hold are good enough, it can contain them. While their gel like forms are invulnerable, when they've infected something, that form can be destroyed. Now depending on what they copied, that can be hard to do (SA-X are only harmed by Plasma beams or stronger).
Do I think it can take the flood? They can't but only because the X can truly be sealed away behind a dome or underground
@@Tkscz I made my initial post after Dread came out and I beat the game day 1. I just didn't want to state much from Dread to avoid spoiling people who haven't played the game yet.
Personally, I don't think the Faro swarm was really given a proper representation in this video. the initial concept of the swarm did not use true AI and had instead used an advanced, non-sapient combat algorithm to dictate the swarm's actions as well as learn from enemy contact (HADES is more akin to a HALO "dumb" AI and it only took control of the swarm's husk for a very short time almost a millennia after it ravaged Earth.) As such, it was stuck with only 3 designs and "wave attack" tactics. Had a true AI such as a GAIA or Cortana-equivalent been in control, the designs would have likely evolved/multiplied and more advanced tactics would have been used.
It should have been able to do that
You could almost say that combat would have evolved.
There's another thing that's getting misrepresented in this argument too which is the fact that the Flood aren't helpless against non-organic combatants either.
During the Forerunner Flood war, the Forerunners tried using powerful robotic units controlled by an AI EXPONENTIALLY more powerful than GAIA called Mendicant Bias (we're talking powerful enough to defeat GAIA, Halo 5 Cortana, Rasputin from D2, and Skynet all combined)
The Flood created a digital virus called the Logic Plague which turned the robot units against the Forerunners, even infecting Mendicant Bias.
The Farro and some tough SOBs but there's no way in hell they can overcome the Logic plague with comparatively ancient cyber security features
@@timeydoesstuff They do, if you kill enough of a certain enemy, they'll start adding parts to make it harder to kill them the same way. If you want to see it, kill a storm bird, the next one will be quite a bit more difficult. Also, play on hard, otherwise it's not as noticeable.
@@catholicpatriotusa1507 Even if the Logic Plague doesn't work on the Faro Plague, what's stopping the Gravemind from using Mendicant Bias or some other A.I. converted by the Logic Plague to Brute Force their way into the machine's programming like in Zero Dawn, only probably a lot faster?
just imagine if the flood and Tyranids combined, highly specialized combat and infection forms with a skill sealing that is unparalleled by anything else.....
Tbh I can see the Flood and Tyranids working together as they both want Bio mass and to spread. Fighting eachother would be completely pointless as they'd just gain biomass but then lose it the next day to the opponent.
Imagine space marine flood combat forms. That would be terrifying
The Devourer Plague is born. It would be a good idea to team up with the gravemind in order to try to destroy the pharaoh plague, or maybe just call the silent king somehow
@@leonidasimperialis3513 that’s the correct thought process. The Gravemind is smart enough to understand the importance of domination through allegiance.
@@thegreatdevourer1020and with the tyranids evolution and almost instantaneous learning capabilities? The universe would be doomed bro. Wonder how the Orkz would react to it.
I feel like, if the Flood manage to infect a Tyranid, it's just over.
The Tyranids have Galaxies worth of Biomass, which also means they have Galaxies worth of Consumed Consciousness. Which means the Flood will also gain all of that with a small infection.
Sorry kid but the flood is literally nothing compared to the nids. The flood wishes it was the nids
@@tylerdunn9683 Ah, but don't forget. Anything the Flood consumes adds to its consciousness. The more powerful a faction is, the more powerful the Flood will be. Any advantage the Tyrannids have also becomes The Flood's advantage
@@waitwhat238 not really the flood is just a extremely water down version of nids.the nids literally eat all bio mass on worlds leaving them dead barren rocks in space.
assuming that the hive mind just accept it then yes but really who tf would let an outsider run amok in their house?
@@tylerdunn9683 shut up You buttermilk bob the nids are nothing compared to the flood the tyranids are bootleg xenomorphs
Genestealer Cults are terrifying as a concept, it's surprising we've never seen a horror movie with this theme before.
*"I am a monument to all your sins"* Halo 2/3 Gravemind, May 97,227 BC - December 2552 AD
"NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM" tyranids all the time:P
ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky that's just letting the enemy into your base, flood super cells would then take over the nid
@@jooot_6850 They cant. As fluff states Flood infection cannot properly infect and control beings without central neural cord or/and that are on chitin bases. A big fucking flaw when you are against a race of space bugs.
@@jhr891 wrong, the flood can INFECT anything be it living beings, machines and even space-time itself... literally anything. But they can only EAT biomass and have DIRECT CONTROL over things with a nervous system, Anything without a nervous system is then manipulated, they keep their life and consciousness but have a fake sense of free will, as their minds are already controlled by the flood without them knowing, one example of this instance is the Logic Plague which so far has infected living beings and artificial intelligence constructs.
@@PoppyPoppa nope read the fluff first. UNRETCONNED info states that they cant directly control anything without central neural system and its nigh-impossible for them infect chitin basis lifeforms. Why do you think Halo rings only wipes out sentient life and not life itself. Also Tyranids are basically all animals with few notable exceptions and even those exceptions are more like living antennas which means Graveminds cant hack into Hive mind. Not to mention, while Flood is not controlled by a singular entity but the clusters of Graveminds that can fuse, Hive mind is monolithic and also so powerful even space hell gods crap their pants when it's near. Every psychic sensitive being goes mad with the just arrival of the Tyranid fleet into the system. Forming Gravemind would just overload from sheer psychic pressure and even galaxy spawning Gravemind wouldn't be able to perform its space magic anywhere near Hive mind presence since its works like scrambler for all things psychic.
I agree the Flood overall have more potential. The only problem is that each individual Tyranid is dozens of times stronger than any Flood prior to encountering ant Tyranids. Also the Tyranids could create a new type of warrior that is completely immune to the Flood (at least the virus/host part, rendering their greatest advantage useless) though they would still be able to be killed they would be immune to being taken over and used by the Flood.
Just make them explode the moment a Flood boi tries to parasite them : they won't get anything, and ripper swarms will just recycle the parts on the ground too, smooth evolution.
"I agree the Flood overall have more potential."
"the Tyranids could create a new type of warrior that is completely immune to the Flood"
Tyranids would do that within a few hours of first tyranid being infected. Flood vs Tyranid hive fleet is the same as pretty much any other fight vs 40k Universe - you lose by default.
Tyranids would simply assimilate flood dna into their own like they have done with any other race.
@@khamul64 but if the tyranids assilatat the food does that make them in to the flood and also logic plage
Flood infection forms attack the central nervous system killing the host and using the body, while spores that are inside the body while slower will effect the host. Also the flood can use biomass no matter what in pieces or otherwise. Now the logic plague can be used on nonsentient beings but also sentient driving them to madness.
I love the relaxing soothing music in the background. Good match
While I am slightly biased towards Horizon, I do feel like the Faro Plague stands a good chance for at least a #3 spot considering that all they need is biomass in order to reproduce at high rates. Additionally, although we don’t know the full capabilities of the Horus Class (the massive long tentacle one) since the only interaction with it thus far was a deathbringer being deployed from it. I also feel that if the flood (or any other species) brought in technologies, or perhaps even AI, I can see the Faro plague potentially making attempts to take over that technology in some way or another, in a similar way to how corrupters instantly turn for example friendly machines instantly hostile and stronger (even more so if you account for daemonation) as well as the machines, if taking over the modern horizon workers (snapmaws, sabertooths, etc.) they have some pretty hard hitters like the rock breaker which can be hard to hit, or the thunder jaw which although containing that center weakness in them, have lots of firepower, even things such as watchers and scrappers can be somewhat useful as a grunt type. Additionally if an intelligence such as the flood attempted to replicate the machines and use machines against machines, then the machines can definitely corrupt those. But hey that’s just my thoughts, let me know what you guys think and if I am missing something (kindly please).
The flood wouldn't survive, all the flood would honestly just end up being food
The real issue is that YOU can't survive any of these 😂
15000 nukes? Is that all you have?
*Nids laughing because of their number*
*Flood laughing after using some anti-nuke technology they probably got long ago*
*Necromorphs laughing cause marker.jpg and brethrenmoon.gif*
right 3 sides but humans n sentience loses
Exterminatus
If that doesn't work use more Exterminatus.
@@zesshizetsumei9734 GLORY TO THE GOD-EMPORER!
X-Parasite from Metroid: "Am I a joke to you?"
X parasite are arguably stronger than all these except for tyranids
bruh samus end up literally eating X-parasite for breakfast to regenerate her health
@@jeanmouloude But only because she got a deus ex machina Metroid vaccine before the X-Parasite consumed her. Literally *anything* not either a Metroid or something with that cellular immunity or gets sealed away where the X can't get to them gets taken over and killed. Plus it's capable of adapting to situations. When it realizes that Samus becomes more vulnerable to ice as a result of the vaccine, it starts using the cold to try and freeze her. But when she gets the Varia Suit data to combat it, the chilled parasites start avoiding her.
@@jeanmouloude not to mention all the r34 stuff...
Flood: yeah
I think the tyrannids would just straight up adopt the flood and weaponize them for themselves. It would be more like figuring out how the flood work and then using it to help them. The tyrannids could also simply adapt to prevent the flood from taking over and infecting. If they developed a non centralized nervous system, in theory they wouldn’t longer be infected.
If I remember the flood don't strictly need a nervous system just cells. And a life form without cells is a robot
@@connormcgehee9349 the flood also have the ability to infect non organic materials, such as in Halo Wars 2: Awakening DLC, they can also infect vehicles.
Also the flood would definitely be smart enough that they would weaponize the nids
@@connormcgehee9349 also there's no adapting to become immune to the flood, the flood infection is somewhat supernatural, composed infection forms when put into mechanical non-biological bodies would randomly decompose incredibly quickly as if the flood infected the very spirit of their hosts
I agree with you on that the flood will work with enemy's to further its own goals the thing about the flood is just how intelligent they are I assume they would work with the tyrinids until they can get a proper keymind then will start taking over
The thing about the Tyranids fleets is that they're all just tendrils of the of the same single "fleet organism", that coming up from "below" the Milky Way galaxy like a squid getting ready to gobble up a fish.
Then you had a galaxy-spanning psychic powers, hive mind stored consciousnesses for exceptional specimens, and seemingly near universal genestealer infection ability (the real parasite/plague aspect of the Tyranid armies), and you have a clear winner.
D.J. Babb That’s the end game Tyranids with who knows how much time to develop. The Flood, given enough time, might even be able to infect the Tyranids (but probably not for the sake of this argument) and they could probably develop their own super weapons that could do who knows what. They problem with these two is that enough is not known about the macro scale of both factions, which is why this video is “in the middle.”
@@newironage4438 The Flood is a bit of an unknown, but the 'Nids....
They're a living predatory galaxy essentially (and a big one at that). As they move closer to the Milky Way, more and more of their mass will be apparent. Right now, the center mass of the Tyranids is still moving in. How long will that take? They move at the speed of plot, so who knows, but it does seem faster than you'd expect given the speed and spread of the tendrils. Genestealer cults popping up everywhere doesn't help either.
All that said, I suspect a psychic McGuffin (the Emperor Reborn? United Gork & Mork? Chaos United?) will blow a hole in the 'Nid invasion galaxy (like a new Eye of Terror or Rift), mortally wounding it and leaving "only" a few trillion remnant Nids behind like an infection to be stomped out before they reform again.
Joseph Stalin That’s what I was thinking a little bit. The flood can outsmart the Forerunners , and the halo rings could definitely at least harm the Tyranids. (With a well placed blast maybe even “wound” it). At one point the flood took over a halo ring and used it against their creators, and since all knowledge of the flood is kept as long as the infection is still alive, there’s a good chance they’ll have the intellect of the Forerunners. “On single flood spore can destroy an entire species.” At the same time however, I know very little about the Tryanids and their “physic” abilities. But I do know the Flood have the knowledge to ascend to higher dimensions and manipulate genetics (from the Precursors). From what I’ve heard about the Tyranid’s physic abilities is that they convert people to their cause mentally first, but it’ll be hard to convert a being made of billions of other beings (keymind) that has more combined processing power than all of Earth or any similarly populated planet. However, I’m very biased with my knowledge and preferences towards the Flood, so I’m most definitely missing something.
@@newironage4438 Hey, you admit your bias. I'm happy.
As for Nid psychics... think galaxy spanning hive minds that aren't even fully developed yet. Individual Nids being rebuilt from the memories of the mind. And then set it all in a universe where mass belief can
Flood without yet having even 1 galaxy's worth of biomass were performing large scale psychic manipulation of spacetime. When they reach the point of the Tyranids, they will control the universe with their thoughts.
“One single flood spore can destroy a species...”
Exactly like Warhamer orcs.
Not a warhammer 40k species
@@freakkyser yes Orks are a 40k species idiot!
One vigilant human can stop a flood outbreak... lol
A flood outbreak with the same amount of biomass as the tyranids(forgive me if I misspelt that) do in warhammer 40k do would have thousands if not millions of keyminds, making it the single most sophisticated faction in any SciFi game ever
I know that this video is old, but I think if we're talking a free for all, the Farro Plague is the one that would beat the other three.
Humanity isnt nearly as advanced in HZD as in the other three universes, so this really should be taken into consideration. Along with that, the HADES Protocol wasn't factored in. None of the other races have an answer to the bio-mass conversion of the machines.
Right, the only thing holding the faro plague back is the lack of leaving the planet. If a single chariot got on a brethren moon it would replicate and eat the entire planet
The others could beat them if starting from a more advanced state, but it probably wouldn't be worth their time. They'd have to nuke the planet from orbit, which would wipe out all available biomass anyway.
I'd say it would highly depend on whether or not the tyranids as a whole would be affected by the flood supercell. And if it is able to become infected by it, whether or not the tyranids could evolve some kind of immunity to it.
The brethren moons would beat them both, as it operates on a molecular level
T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing
Please Mr. Eck, we must know witch T-65 X-Wing replacement is superior!
idk...I just dont like wh40k being involved in anykind of "whats better" because every faction over there is just meant to be massivly OP. its like playing a TF2. its "balanced" only because everyone is broken
You are saying that when the Flood is on the list. The one species which has been written to be so OP that it sounds like the fan fiction villain from the works of some ten year old.
I mean, here, it's actually kind of fair, with the exception to the Fero Plague, as all of them are galaxy-dooming eldritch hiveminds. Tyranids potentially are kind of just a beat-stick advantage to some degree with how the other two are capable of cellular infestation and not just eating everything else to death.
It’s because 40k fans are like a cult they won’t even entertain the idea of a different universe
@@schnoz2372 they're about as pigheaded and vicious as Touhou and Fate fans, now if you don't mind I'm off to play Perfect Cherry Blossom and listen to Last Stardust.
glormp glormp I used to constantly run into 40k fans on Starcraft videos that went over just to start shit about how much better they were
I'm kind of curious if a marker could infect another hive mind and if markers signals could control the other factions bio mas turning it into more necromorphs would that work on the flood or tyranid
The Tyrannid hive mind encompassed a structure of uncountable Dimensions...seems like a stomp to me.
*can't beat a race not even 1/10 as strong as the forerunners*
@@connormcgehee9349 the Tyranids in 40k are scout fleets Tyranids have hive fleets bigger than multiple galaxies and the silent king considers them a bigger threat than the ruinous powers that are outerversal gods that exist and fight on infinite realities.
@@chadthundercock3440 the chaos gods can't be outerversal or omnipotent as they are bound to the laws of time also the flood was stomped off in the early years of their development by the forerunners the flood at their height had ctan or old one power but with multiple galaxies of biomass yeah they would curbstomp even someone like goku. You saying that the nids win because there are so many is like saying 10000 cavemen win vs 1 us army marine.
@@connormcgehee9349but you aren’t factoring in their highly powerful abilities, i.e (instantaneous evolution, psychic abilities, almost instant regeneration of lost forces, and that many of the tyranid forces are just weaker compared to elite nids.) meaning these nids even with their psychic powers are far weaker than the others.
@@GodpraisethePALANTINEtyranids lose to necromorphs. Tyranids use biomass as a resource to pump out super units. They are livin creature and can be killed (albeit reclaimed for new spawn). The necromorphs are essentially a kind of signal or mental signature, Any BIO Mass in this signal range is a necromorph including whatever biomass nids might collect. And killed nids will become a necromorph. This video ignores the fact that necromorphs can't be defeated pretty much same as flood. Not to mention the marker will turn you into a necro while you are still alive while themselves not being infectable since they are just a corpse. Seemingly their only weakness is getting rid of markers before the critical mass for convergence is reached.
Eck for president
Btw congrats on the baby 👍
Isn't he Canadian?
*prime minister 😉
Ecks is Canadian...
*Eck for Supreme Chancelor*
I think the Tyranids are just a bit underestimated here. In terms of intelligence, for example, the Tyranids actually show examples of extreme malevolent intelligence, with psyker-assisted hivemind "one-ness". Look at Zoanthropes, who actually possess direct psychic connections to the Tyranid queen, a creature theorized to span the size of a galaxy and possess nigh-infinite intelligence. Their intelligence is her own, thus meaning that the intelligence of the Tyranid queen manifests through a physical proxy. As well, look at Hive Tyrants, who are biologically and intellectually immortal, in that the Tyrant is intelligent enough to learn and refine it's method of slaughter. If killed, it's body and mind can both be consumed back into the hive via Tyranid spawning pits, and can be resurrected with it's mind intact, and now having learned from previous mistakes, making it wiser. The flood are intelligent, but the Tyranids are just plain overpowered, as like most things in Games Workshop's universe.
The Gravemind of the flood that fought the Forerunners (the most powerful the flood has ever been) was able to completely outsmart the super AI used against it. Another comment here describes how it could access and use technology far beyond the Forerunners to easily wipe out some of their strongest defenses. I'm not expert on Tyranids but the Gravemind's immense intelligence is also not to be underestimated.
@@KingdomOfDimensions read about the Hive Mind. Anything with a mind that even comes close to it's general vicinity would liquefy. The shadow in the warp would most likely stress out the Gravemind, to put it mildly.
@@Lycurgus1982 Thats not really anything special in 40k. Psykers get their minds blown (literally) all the time by the horrors of the warp, which is what the Tyranids use to cause this.
If the Flood retain the knowledge and skills of those they infest, do they also retain the connection to the Force of the Force sensitive intelligences it absorbs?
The gravemind in halo 2 was able to teleport Master Chief and the Arbiter
@@ysfsim that was using the forerunner technologies of the halo though so hmmm I am hmmm
@@justanotherguywithoutamust2701 Actually it didn't use those technologies. It teleported them with its power.
I personaly would have put the Faro plague in first place because of several reasons.
Fist of all in this ranking there was the limitation of the plagues like the Faro robots are only at earth but if we would imagine that all plagues have the same ways of getting to other planets through a ship for example then the Faro robots would be "deadlier" I shall say.
Secound the Faro robots are as Eck said deadly from the beginning but stayed on that level. I have to throw something in addition yes the Faro plauge stayed at that level, but and from now on it will spoiler parts of the storyline in Horizon Zero Dawn, Hades the "Brain" of the plauge wanted to merge itself with the Gaia system if Aloy wouldn´t stoped Hades then Hades would get access to the diffrent Gaia subsystems one of that subsystems is for designing new robots and with access to that subsystem the Faro plauge will get to 100% deadlier and could probably reach a space travel state where it can reach diffrent planets.
Third of all all the other plauges would have no chance against the Faro plague because of its biomass converting ability as Eck said the Faro plauge can convert every biological object into fuel so that means it can convert even the biggest lifeform for example the other plagues into fuel.
I dont know what timeframe Eck used for this video but I think he used the time before all of what we can see in the game happened. If he would have used the time after the game and with the thought that Aloy wasn´t able to defeat Hades then I would say that the FARO plague is the first place but I think he used the time before Aloy and in this case I would agree with him that the Faro plauge is in last place.
I have only one thing to say:
The Beast from Homeworld Cataclysm.
The scariest and most forgotten plague in gaming history.
As much as 40K fans like to deny, there are too many sci-fi franchises that can dominate all factions without breaking a sweat...
@@plasmakitten4261
"Mainstream"
Yet, Marvel, DC, and Doctor Who show 40K who's the boss...
Hell, I would say even ancient Halo is more or less equal to ancient 40K in terms of power...
@@plasmakitten4261
"Evenly matched..."
Lol...
When Chaos Gods can causally erase the material universes, then we'll talk...
@@plasmakitten4261
When unified, the Chaos Gods can reach the power to destroy pseudo-universes inside the Warp.
In both Marvel and DC, destroying universes singlehandedly isn't that impressive...
@@user-iy7jo7bq4f that's boring
Gonna say 'Nids. Because this is a vote, the winner is going to be the winner of a popularity contest, without anyone actually researching the factions to find out which is better. I would urge anyone to look at it like this. If the flood survive long enough, they would become the Tyranids. If the Halo rings where all deactivated, and the flood was able to consume all intelligent life in the Milky Way galaxy, they would probably have massive hive ships they send out to other galaxies. They probably would have several hive mind queens (grave minds) that had massive intelligence and would be able to coordinate all hive-fleets in a given range. They could probably develop similar psyonics within a century, and get really good at invading and consuming planets, as is the 'Nids MO. We take both races as they are now, and the flood can be stopped, the 'Nids can't be. This is because the 'Nids are what a successful flood would look like.
This is why the Tyranids win. The flood are actually a lot like Orks. Orks are a fungus that grows uninhibited until it reaches a certain size, at which point it gets up and fights things till it dies. Flood also has the sneakiness of Chaos, able to remain unnoticed till they are big enough to be considered a threat. Thing is, Space Marine power armor doesn't allow anything to get through, and the flood doesn't really have tank armor piercing tech. Even some squads of Imp guard (specialized one in a million squads) have good armor and training that wouldn't let a flood in close. Some even live on poisoned worlds where the only thing living ARE the humans, and the tiny spores wouldn't effect them, the bigger ones wouldn't survive without serious adaptation. Nids make this adaptation They would be able to take, and hold, every world they come to, and have the subterfuge to trick what they can not take immediately. And all you need is one hive queen, who has teleportation, and is massive, and has super-psychic powers.
I think you are underestimating the power of the flood, once the flood hits the gravemind or several gravemind stage they gain access of all previous graveminds before than using something called precursor neuro physics. Since technically, the precursors are the flood but heavily corrupted which created all life in the Halo universe as part of an experiment. Once a flood outbreak start getting to a galactic stage they can use the neuro physics to manipulate the fabirc of reality. The precursors intent on infected everything is because they want unity of all life, and that all life should be depraved of free will and merge into one being. The one being being a reflection of the precursors and the suffering their creation caused to them. Compared to the Tyranids who has a lower ceiling once they hit end game, the flood is much more dangerous since they could move galaxies and rip space and time with enough infection. For an example of how powerful Precursor neuro physics are and item they made is called Abaddon which oversees and gaurds the Domain. Another thing being that the Forerunners had extremely powerful combat skins that are much better than a marines and still get infected just the same. Also the flood attacks the nervous system and controls it, the forerunners literally made thousands of plans to defeat the Flood like making a cure or vaccine yet they still failed so I don't think adaptations to toxic environments would work at all. Furthermore, we don't have too much information on how a early Nid begin is like compare to the flood so no one can make a fair judgement there, most of the time it's just them swarming in with overwhelming numbers. The flood can do the exact same things as the Nids but have a much better late game if they were able to destroy a trans galactic hyper advance alien empire and force them to basically hard reset the entire universe.
no, an armored suit like a space marine's would do jack shit against the flood. spartans can be infected. brutes can be infected. elites can be infected. space marine armor can't even stop a glorified chainsword, so why would it stop the ridiculously strong tendrils of an infection form? on the topic of tanks, the flood could just infect the hosts; its not a perfect solution but it'd work. the flood could then use those tanks on whatever they need to. and something like a baneblade that can be controlled by an AI could be taken over by the flood via logic plague. but you are right the flood will win anyways because they are iconic and popular, but there is definitely merit there
Can the Flood just build they their own or Forerunners ship and weapons and use against them? That why I chose the flood.
I agree
One of the biggest weapons against the Tyranids in the lore is the Life Eater virus. This virus is also used to sterilize entire planets. Tyranids adapt to it to the point that the Imperium cannot use it in any large numbers because the largest splinter fleets of the Tyranids are basically immune to it, its mostly used against smaller forces or newer fleets that aren't immune to it. This also doesn't destroy the fleet by any means, it just inflicts casualties and destroys some of their organic ships. And Tyranids aren't individuals, if a single tyranid was capable of adapting to the other three infections they would not only resist it but evolve in order to exterminate them.
I was always curious with the necromorphs if enough brethren moons are created if another convergent event would happen and they would combine into some other, greater form. That'd b neat
While I appreciate the attention you gave the faro swarm, I think you should have taken a swarm of more adequate scale, like the Zerg from SC instead.
The Faro swarm is limited by the restraints of it's time and technological status, no space travel technology, no other known planets with life,...
They are imo one of the most terrifying on a planet scale but they never had a chance to go to space and they never seemed to evolve beyond their original models.
Tyranid psychic abilities should not have been glossed over in this video. One specific aspect of their psychic gestalt could be the deciding factor in an overwhelming Tyranid victory.
The Shadow of the Warp is capable of blocking out communications from every source in Warhammer 40K. With enough force, the Shadow of the Warp can even seal shut Warp rifts, tears in reality itself, overcoming another dimension that is arguably far more dangerous and unpredictable than Slipspace.
If the Shadow in the Warp is capable of affecting the Flood's collective consciousness, it would effectively be able to leverage local superiority in every single engagement by reducing all Flood forms within the Hive Fleet's range to their individual intelligence, simultaneously blinding the Flood's combined consciousness regarding what is happening in every single AO and stripping them of their advanced tactical and strategic abilities, including potentially harnessing other technology and weaponry.
Considering that the Shadow of the Warp possesses a range exceeding that of an entire solar system, there is very, VERY little chance of outranging or circumventing the Hive Fleets and their Shadows of the Warp, should this ability be effective. Honestly, the only option at that point may be to seek out Halo Arrays in an effort to achieve mutual destruction.
Even the Flood Infection Forms of an opening-stage outbreak are still capable of coordinating with one another in an effort to expand. But if the Shadow of the Warp is effective, even this coordination would be utterly gone unless they can communicate and apply tactics through some other method such as pheromones or auditory input.
@@internetzenmaster8952 Definitely, I worded carefully in case neural physics was somehow immune, but considering how immaterium-based shenanigans can affect even machines and inanimate objects in 40K (with one example being our beloved Greenskins), I find this very, very doubtful.
IMO, best case scenario for the Flood is that their neural physics system would be unknown to the Tyranids until the Hive Fleet got a proper hold and understanding of their genetic material. Considering how much the Flood throw away in even small-scale engagements, I can't imagine they'd be able to keep that from the Hive Mind for long at all. Hours, maybe.
Also, I can't imagine how horrifyingly powerful the Tyranids would get if they found a way to harness Flood Super Cells. Good lord.
This topic is interesting I happen to know more about the flood then tyranids, so from what I can tell you the flood would like have no issue's consuming tyranids not to underestimate tyranids but the flood is unstoppable once it hits a certain point, literally being able to warp time and space I don't think they would have any issue destroying just about any race if they got to that point nothing can really stop them, hence why the forerunners destroyed all life in the galaxy to stop the flood just look at how fast the flood took over high charity if you take the flood and give it several key minds then every flood combat form is micro managed by the keymind every millisecond making it nearly impossible to fight in 1 on 1 combat since it is able to jump to insane height your basically fighting 1 creature with insane intellect now take that one creature and make it able to infect any biomass that exists tyranids are not immune to having their biomass taken since the flood uses dead tissue (it literally makes humans kill themselfs when it takes their bodies) so any tyranid that dies to the flood becomes the flood and the flood will learn everything the tyranids know since its a hive mind.
BrewChuTrain the thing is it really depends on if the Shadow in the warp will affect the flood. This ability in general cuts off any psychic communication. So the fight would depend on if the shadow works.
Say it does work, the flood revert to the base instincts of the combat forms and all coordination falls to verbal orders if that can be achieved. This gives the Tyranids a much better chance to win the fight as Tyranids also can consume dead bio mass to repopulate. Granted at a slower rate.
If the Shadow doesn’t work then yes flood will most likely out think the Tyranids and win the day.
@@TreyHardin28 Very interesting, I should really take the time to read up on tyranid lore seems really interesting, My thoughts are the flood would likely be smart enough to know about such a thing and take counter measures to avoid it I guess it really comes down to a couple things but don't forget one single flood spore can destroy an entire species .
@BrewChuTrain Yeah I just recently got into Warhammer so I’m no expert but I find them very interesting. Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the flood require a central nervous system to infect a creature.
Ooh EckhartsLadder
*Grabs Popcorn*
Grabs flood infection form.
Yeah, you really shouldn't mention anything Warhammer. They hear a Warhammer word and the flock descends, squawking and denying that anything but the Tao is capable of being defeated by literally anything literally anywhere in the entirety of fiction. Marvel's One Above All? Bah, canon fodder before the mighty imperial guardsmen.
@@zehkiel8018
You just descended with Warhammer
As much as I love Horizon, Faro Plague is the weakest option of all. I don’t understand at all how people could allow it to spread, because robots do not have air forces, only ground units, and people had airplanes (The Grave-Hoard has an audio recording of this). Why didn’t they just bombard the robots? I didn’t see any air defense equipment on them. This is the question.
Well, it’s a swarm, you can kill as many as you want but there would always be more and planes require airports to resupply, which is inconveniently on the ground.
@@TheDaltonius As I remember, only the Titans could produce other machines. For example, Corruptor couldn't make another Corruptor. If you destroy the Titans, then the entire robot production system will fail, and for aviation, a huge Horus without air defense is an ideal target. Hopefully in the second part, the devs will introduce the flying Chariot drones and fix this issue.
@@shadow_spark8788
I haven’t played in quite a while but if I recall only 3 Horus classes were ever destroyed, so definitely some type we never seen before is used to protect them or maybe it’s just a bunch of Death Bringers shooting until they hit lmao.
They nuked the entire planet, but the robots reproduce and corrupt other machines faster than they could destroy. It was also said that most armed forces on earth were automated, so when the faro glitch happened humanity was at great disadvantage.
@@lucashonorato_ It makes sense, but I still can't figure out why humans were able to build Zero Dawn complexes but couldn't make enough manned aircraft. I think this can be discussed for a very long time, but we can get the exact answer only in the game, and I hope that we will get it in the sequel.
That psychic part will be very important. Good video.
Also throw in the Borg from Star Trek, the Beast from Homeworld, and the Zerg and now it's a party.
And Infested from Warframe. Then can the party start. :D
Zerg are too weak...
@lairum hurb
Zerg cannot even conquer a single sector...
Zerg got routinely halt by the Terrans...
Zerg need to amass their forces just to take Korhal...
And you're saying the Zerg isn't weak???
@asian lee
Btw, the Beast would beat the Flood and the Tyranids...
It's basically the Flood but can infect non-oraganic matter as well...
Though the Blight from another franchise would trump the Beast...
The Blight is basically the Flood with instant Chaos corruption...
@asian lee
The Beast is from Homeworld...
Blight-- Fire upon the Deep.
i hope you didn't forget the logic plague against the zero dawn machines.
A staved swarm might just eat the flood before the logic plague could do much
Plasmancer all it takes for the logic plague to happen is one flood spore
From what I remember it is possible to make AI too stupid for the logic plague. That is sort of what offensive bias was and it won
The Faro Plague is not intelligent enough for that to work. It's not a true AI, just a robotic hivemind that's got its programming stuck in Seek and Destroy mode.
The Dizz Jizz one spore lands on the Fero plague then gets consumed
I would love to have this very topic turn into a 5 hour podcast
Necromorphs are definitely the most terrifying
Spartans vs N7 or Pilots (Titanfall) and UNSC Marines vs System Alliance Marines
Swap out Spartans with odsts and ye that sounds good
Id say spartans win. Easy difficulty. But thats if we dont take biotics as a factor. With biotics idk thats a hard topic to determine. And as for pilots id be willing to bet that a spartan who weighs in at 1000lbs in armor and can run about 35mph could in my mind easily and quickly climb a titan, punch through the " face " of the titan, and rip the pilot right out of his seat. I also feel that if a pilot self destructed that it wouldnt do much either as spartans are pretty hardy. After all in the beginning of halo 3 we see master cheif fall from FKING SPACE lol and basically just stands up and shrugs it off like its another day at the office.
@Bence Kálmánczhelyi But the pilots destroy any n7 since I heard their training has like a 1% or 2% survival chance which means they are the best of best of best of the best.
Pilots lose against either of the other factions. SPARTANs are the more physically powerful soldiers, but the Alliance has way more advanced weaponry. It's a toss-up that'll come down to what kind of tech and biotics you give the Alliance.
Dramatic_Gaming idk pilots can go even in my book, pilots have the maneuverability, phasing dimensions tech, camo, crawling mines, exo suits, and damaging heavy weapons
No Xenomorphs?
Lol they are pretty weak compared to all of these players
Hum...the Xenos actually have a pretty good defense against being infected. Their blood is really highly acidic even to the point of melting/eating away at the Yajuta metal.
Xenomorph invades ship and kills everyone and lays eggs
Tryanids invades and converts a massive bloody space church later invades planet and starts to transform whole system into a hive to breed and start all over again
Who would win
hype_Lenin Lenin if the flood can adapt to the high acidity of blood, then gg but their knowledge and iq would be no use for the flood. But how dare we speak against our glorious leader lenin
and the xenomorphs are able to quickly overrun a planet within hours.
Yeah, the Tyranids would just gobble them up and the rest would not have it much harder
I'd love to see you do a video on The Hiss from _Control._
Unfortunately for the tyranids, the flood can consume them for more biomass, giving them both essentially endless fleets. The flood would in the end win, as just numbers alone are a very bad idea when dealing with the flood
**Evolution Intensifies**
They will burn from psychic and acid attacks before they could do it
Even if they succeed in infecting it, the second wave will be immune and can easily finish off the Flood without any serious problems because the Tyranids can easily adapt
I got my family sick with my cold. Clearly i need to be on this list.
I think Orks technically count in this category as well.
Ray Anderson well based on the sheer fact that Orks act as a fungal force. Not really assimilating anything more just like.... a planetary cockney accented mold it makes sense as to why they aren’t.
Wait Orks don’t have a nervous system do they? Can’t remember
excellent as always
I think the most terrifying threat would be the tyranids assimilating a grave or key mind.
Also you could even argue that perhaps the tyranids are just a future more advanced version of the flood after multiple galaxies have been consumed.
I think the more reasonable version is the nids hivemind being assimilated thru the logic plague
"Some zombies focus on survivability"
That's kinda setting yourself up for failure isn't it?
You didn't put Nurgle's Blight.
It's Nurgle's Rot, and that one is not really special compared to the other factions.
Sorry, i'm still new to 40k.
Or the npc plague
@@robertnelson9599 how can a plague that turn you into a daemon of nurgle not being special is considered one if not the most powerful and dangerous plague of nurgle
Mraz Helmer I think Orks would be more appropriate.
I always wondered what a combination of all of them would look like, or like, if each one infected eachother and what the variants might look like
Happy Anniversary to this video! Well, it's 2am, so a couple hours after 2/1, but still!
Flood-
“I? I am a monument to all your sins”
“Child of my enemy why have you come? I offer no salvation- only for their sins to be passed to his son”
Once the flood reaches stage 3 they become nearly unstoppable
When your up against a parasite that can infect space time.
If this was Mass Effect then there would b no flood. Because the Reapers would glass entire planets with scorching lasers rendering the pitiful Flood extinct.
@@MajesticsTwelve the forerunners tried this...
EA Sense of Pride and Accomplishment dude the forerunners already tried that. A full fledged flood controlled universe vs a invasion of reapers isn’t even a contest
@@MajesticsTwelve also the flood could infect the Reapers with some form of the logic plague, since the Reapers are machine beings. The flood start on the biological level, but the can infect on the computational, and even quantum level by infecting space time itself. The Flood always wins.
Loved this episode of Eckladd, and, to be honest, if I hear MARKER again, I might think about joining the flood I'm so crazy
Appreciating you made this video a few years ago and the task was like comparing undead hive minded apples with undead hive minded oranges... still as a fan of the Deadspace series I think you've undersold the Necro threat...
1. The markers arguably evolved mankind as sentient in order to foster civilisation as a means to create enough biomass to make their subsequent harvest worthwhile. Considering this didn't occur until Humanity had achieved space travel and had colonised many worlds it suggests their complete Brethren forms are more than capable of managing a space faring species.
2. The convergence of the moon in Deadspace 3 was an incomplete version of a Brethren moon, hence it was possible to defeat because a previous civilisation froze it in place before it completed it's convergent transformation.
3. Unlike the other factions in the video, the Deadspace 3 expansion shows humanity falling to the Brethren moons that come to Earth. These were significantly larger and more capable (some sort of hyperspace, telepathic, DNA manipulating planetary cephalopods) when compared with the one on Tau Volantis. We never actually learn much about the true Brethren moons as the trio are found consuming Earth, we (humanity) simply couldn't stop them.
So in my view a lifeform with the technology to turn sentience against itself using a localised "signal" that manipulates the minds and DNA of exposed biomass just to ring the intergalactic dinner bell seems at least up there with the Flood and Tyranids...
My honest opinion is that the flood represent a bigger threat. I love the nids, and I am a HUGE Warhammer fan. I definitely get more involved with 40k than Halo, but the fact is, the flood have more immediate potential. The Halo rings were even designed to wipe out all life in a large area as a contingency plan against the flood. One flood spore, while week at first, can easily lead to an entire galaxy in danger in a pretty impressive amount of time. But, with tyranids, it's not like you can have one gaunt make planet fall and that planet is pretty much already screwed. Tyranids need to already be advanced to a certain degree to be a planetary threat. That being said, once tyranids make it to that point, I feel like the tyranids become MORE deadly than the flood. So it really depends on what kind of timeline we are looking at
Exactly, also the flood descended from a species that literally created life and could fly through the universe using technology that could wipe out everything.
@@Pano1 that doesn't really matter as the only precursor technology/techniques they utilize is neural physics in the form of the logic plague and neural assimilation.
@@meeep9099 the thing is, what you just said does matter.
@@Pano1 it kinda doesn't because until the flood are very well along in their evolutionary line via assimilation of species, they possess none of the precursors more potent reality bending abilities. Near the end of the forerunner-flood war they were reaching this state but were stopped by the firing of the halo array
It's worth remembering that nids are typically dependent on the hive as a hole. We have never seen what them building from scratch looks like. How much can the 'queen' do alone? Can nids use a more subtle strategy seeding from a single organism that can grow and reproduce into all the base needed bioforms from rippers to bioships?
What is more fundamentally dangerous depends on how little is needed to turn into a galactic or intergalactic threat imo. Nids have there own ships but how easily can they make a new one from just what is on a planet. We do sort of see this in the dawn of war 2 nid faction campaign where it seems we start with little more than a hivetyrant, grunts, and other leftover bioforms from a destroyed fleet. Without suitable host with Interstellar capabilities the flood can't really do much on the other hand. So nids seem to need the hive fleet where as flood need an interstellar civilization.
This is actually a really great thing to discuss! If the question is 'which would win if the Flood and Tyranids fought with everything they have with their most recently depicted strengths,' the win goes to the Tyranids for the reason you've mentioned above: They have unknown Galaxies worth of biomass stored up in their reserves, and have perfected a form of rapid adaptation and evolution that responds not only to their environment but the biomass they consume. It's not unheard of for the first wave of tyranid war beasts to die horrific deaths due to a planet's conditions (temperature, toxicity, etc) and each subsequent wave develops biomorphs that allows it to better survive said environments. After consuming an Eldar Craftworld, an entirely new beast began appearing in the Tyranid hive fleets with horrific psychic abilities never seen before. There's even evidence that the Hive Mind dedicates specific fleets to combat specific threats that it finds in the galaxy.
Given the Tyranids rapid evolution capacities, I have -no doubt- that the would rapidly develop an immunity to Flood infestation before subsequently adding the Flood's unique biology to the Hive Fleet's toolkit... but this isn't the interesting question. The interesting scenario to consider is this: If a small group of Tyranids were dropped onto a world and -completely- severed from the hive mind... would they pose as much of a threat?
Your video does a great job of illustrating the threat of the Flood: A single flood has the biological imperative to spread and propagate and the Gravemind slowly develops as a result of this process. More biomass leads to more Flood, which leads to a greater gestalt intelligence that eventually becomes the Gravemind. Assuming that there's a spaceworthy race (or other method) on the planet that would allow them to escape, a single flood spore can threaten the galaxy.
The Tyranids, however, are in a different boat. The basic Tyranid beasts, Hormagaunts and Termagaunts, are certainly deadly in their own right... but without a synaptic link to the Hive Mind they are no more threatening then your typical killing machine with four claws and teeth for days. Only larger or specialized Tyranids can communicate with the Hive Mind through the synaptic link, and thus receive direction to create gestation and digestion pools and collect biomass to convert into new forces. So the real question is this: Would a pack of Hormagaunts have both the capability and the instinct to do what their species has to do in order to reproduce without the direction of the Hive Mind? To that question, I have no earthly idea, and I'll leave that question up to folks who are a bit more well versed in Tyranid lore.
Now, Genestealers might be a better comparison though it's a bit like comparing apples to oranges regarding the flood. The Genestealers are, at their base, a highly specialized tool that the Hive Fleets use to both select targets for future attacks as well as undermine the defenses of said targets. They definitely have the instinctual drive that would eventually lead to Purestrain Genestealers, and Genestealer Cults always produce a broodlord that can link to the hive mind....
Eh, this was a fun discussion to bring up!
Whilst the Tyranid Codex I've read multiple times is in no way the latest codex available, I may be able to help with your question on the capability of Hormagaunts and Termagants.
Creatures that do not have the synaptic link will follow one of two base instincts: To hide (Which the Termagants have, if my memory serves) or to feed (which is exhibited by Hormagaunts, again if memory serves). So, they will not have the initiative required to gather biomass to fuel an invasion, however they will remain a nuisance, rather than a threat.
This means that an invasion without synaptic creatures would be fruitless, the inhabitants of the planet may be killed off but the biomass would simply go unused. However, it also means that killing off synaptic creatures during an invasion would not aid the defenders, as they would still need to deal with all the leftover instinctive creatures.
Should the flood realise this (Which would most likely occur from infecting the corpse of a synaptic Tyranid), they may be able to defeat the Tyranids by dismantling this chain of command. Given that Tyranids need to recover biomass to create new troops whilst the Flood simply inhabit the remains of a creature, the Flood would win battles far easier should they be given a chance to counter-attack. As user "Eric Adkins" mentions in his comment, if the Flood were to consume as much as the Tyranids have, they would evolve to a similar point. In such a scenario I would say that the Flood would win outright, as their number would remain somewhat indifferent during battles and they seem more interconnected than the Tyranids. However, at the points they are depicted as being at their peak in their respective lores, I have to agree with Eckharts here in that there are many details that would need to be examined to see which exactly would win.
I apologise for any spelling mistakes as well.
Also the gravemind would get the same memories as the previous
I think what would be better is the Flood vs the Zerg
to answer hormagaunt reproduction
they carry eggs instead of a digestive tract, hormagaunts are on a timer to kill things and then die exhausted on a pile of corpses to feed the eggs, but their larva can eat plant too
a hormagaunt usually spawns 20 new ones a day after it dies and has a expected duration of 48 hours in the adult stage
and while it has rarely been necessary, given time and the need for it hormagaunts can mutate one to become a synapse creature as i think i remember was a rule in 2e that let you upgrade a gaunt in a squad
since nids usually come in ships carrying the hive mind and plenty of spawning pools to drop in new ones if necessary this is rarely used and no longer a rule on TT (it was hell to balance) but that doesnt mean they are incapable of doing that
if on a biomatter rich planet and not opposed in the first few weeks a single hormagaunt could turn into hundreds guided by a new synapse hormagaunt devolving some of the newborn into rippers that will form spawning pools and then the real invasion starts
a few years later a small and young hive ship will take off from a barren rock
termagaunts on the other hand have no way to reproduce as they are produced by host creatures or spawning pools
so they are unlikely to lead to a conquered planet
one issue with your initial premise.
The flood chased humans to the milky way in halo lore.
The flood also likely has multiple galaxies.
Flood.. altered in a way by the marker. Perhaps resulting in some sort of mutated necromorph flood combination with the extremely infective and quite powerful flood mixed with some of the strengths of the necromorphs having their different variants, the creation of markers which with the floods intelligence the necro-flood will be able to probably create markers themselves and brethren moons will appear way more often also sharing the more powerful hive-mind capabilities of flood graveminds
New message: I could've been you're daddy...
wut?
A reference to "I would've been your daddy, but a dog beat me over the fence", a bit of idle dialogue in the original halo trilogy that's become an iconic quote amongst fans.
Anyone remember the Beast from Homeworld Cataclysm?
That one will stomp the flood, that where flood come from (inspiration)
I would love to see how Stargate's replicators would compare
idk, they act very differently to the others, they have different goals as well, they eat tech, the flood take over people, the nids eat planets for breakfast and idk much about the others, would be interesting to see them meet though
Replicators may be interesting. At lower levels, the replicators can strip organic matter for raw materials and at higher levels can use nanites to mimic organic beings. Humans were the biggest thing in the SG verse but if they encounter the other parasites they may end up using the nanites to make flood-form or even tyranid-form replicators.
That would be interesting
Replicators would wipe all the other ones just as well if not faster than in season 7 of SG-1. They have a subspace collective knowledge and can adapt extremely quickly.
I think the tyranids would win just due to the fact the ones we see in the game are just scouts even if the flood win at first the hive mind would probably send the elites to deal with the flood later
Not really lol. The flood just use flood spores to kill all of the nid's fleets
@@connormcgehee9349but how? If the flood appears they have no way to find out where the rest of the nids would be. And even then, they would see them as a threat almost immediately (like the orks) and KOS them.
hey eck, if you do any videos like this again could you also talk about the abomination from "the curios
expedition"