Is The New Cheapest B650 Board Any Good? Asrock B650M-HDV/M.2 Review
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00:00 - Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed
04:02 - Test System Specs
04:48 - VRM Thermals
05:57 - Cinebench R23 Multi-core
06:27 - Cinebench R23 Single core
06:48 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider
07:07 - Watch Dogs: Legion
07:18 - Windows Load Time
08:42 - Final Thoughts
Is The New Cheapest B650 Board Any Good? Asrock B650M-HDV/M.2 Review
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We are no longer blacklisted by Asrock BTW, they reached out at the start of the year and have started sampling us again after our 2 year break :D
So they finally realized that their plan to impose sanctions to get you to submit to their will wasn’t working? Who do they think they are, Americans? 😂
Figured they’d lift the blacklist when they finally have good products across the entire stack. Took them long enough.
Why have they blacklisted you?
Interesting development. Maybe the slowdown in business has something to do with it?
ASRock isn't in a position to blacklist anybody. Their reputation is such that most buyers are going to want to see reviews before shelling out money for their products.
Not just the VRM temp, but the features are actually quite good. Nice job, AsRock!
Asrock are definitely one of the better value, and very component manufacturers - I'm a fan
For the price, pretty decent imo. Was expecting 1xM.2 and Gblan, not 2.5.
@@pr0xZen I think 2.5g might be a min spec from amd for b650.
that's on AMD. Since the first boards in AM4 were complete trash, now they're demanding a lot more features in the licensing for the AM5 chipsets, that's the reason they're more expensive now but also the reason there's no bad boards.
only wish it had 2 more Type A USBs in the rear, then it would be pretty much perfect
Asrock is doing much better at low end this generation. ASUS has now become the last place holder for low end motherboards
Even on the high end, they force the shitware armory crate on you. Unless there is a specific feature that no other board has you are better off with any other brand for cheaper.
or maybe this is review edition board and later they release board with this same name and halve VRM capability
@@shrewm I don't really use RGB controller on my PC, but I've heard similarly bad things about that software... It seems to take forever to start up.
The Prime Series has consistently been poor for it's price especially the past few generation of CPUs. It's a running gag at this point: The Prime - A stands for Avoid and the Prime - K stands for Kaput.
The only outlier was the Prime Z690-A which was basically a slightly cut down Strix.
They can make some odd design choices from time to time, but I haven't had any issues and I've built systems with 3 different boards in the past years.
Finally a board worth considering for 7600/7700 builds.
While historically the HDV series has been extremely barebone and barely functional, this seems like a more sensible Pro4 equivalent.
the HDV's are essentially their OEM boards badged for the consumer market.
@@sirmonkey1985 Well good to see them making a better OEM board.
What has always been stupid is that they list Ryzen 9 support. If they had just plainly admitted that the boards were for Ryzen 3, 5 and 7 only they wouldn't have gotten such trash reviews.
@@mikem9536 Exactly. I build pc's for consumers and never really have got to use HDV line due their sub-par design, this time i'm utilizing B650M-HDV boards for those who does not need USB 20Gbps+, wifi6e/wifi7, 5Gig/10Gig ethernet and PCIE5.0 main slot amongst other mid to high end features. This will bring down cost of pc's i build by something like 50-100euros depending on use case.
@@andersjjensen this board here was tested with 7950X and it performed just fine.
This is it chief! The only 2-RAM slot matx board with heatsinks on all chokes. I know it's very specific, but it's the one i'm looking out for because my case is SGPC K29.
For real tho, how hard is it for board manufacturers to put a small heatsink for the chokes on top of the CPU socket
I thought ITX was my only option. Great job Asrock.
I absolutely love these motherboard tests. It has helped me pick out 2 motherboards for my builds in the past. Thanks for all the hard work 👍
Thanks for rewieving this Board. I have ordered one and it was delivered today. Im very happy with the Price and the Quality. Only the 2X 7 segment error code display is missing... This is my first Asrock Motherboard.
I was just looking for this Mobo and boom, there it is. Ty for the review
I can't wait to see the updated boot times for all those motherboards! It would be interesting to know why different manufacturers have such wildly different boot times.
finally an Asrock entry level board that doesnt suck, this really looks like a cool product, good job Steve 👍
Great follow through Steve! Been seeing your reviews for ASRock over the years and no doubt that you're a professional.
Thank you so much for reviewing this. We were discussing upgrade options, and I found this motherboard to be inside our budget. I think it's good enough for our usage which is most likely gaming.
Hell yes, I was waiting for this!
Thank you a lot, was excited for this one!
Yes @HUB you can take credit for ASROCK actually putting out a decent motherboard ! It's nice to see a company actually try and do things right once and awhile instead of just flooding the market with more e waste .
i got the gigabyte DS3H per your recommendation a few weeks ago. overall i'm very pleased with it. using it with a 7700x, cheers!
Good job ASRock! Looking for a new mobo and im really considering this one, very informative video, thanks HU!
Terrific content as usual, cheers mate!
That boot was quick. Thank you for the video.
Got one of these, i love it, installed a 7900 non-x and no issues. My only gripe about this board, no VRM temp sensors it seems, but well at least they put some sink on all of them unlike some other budget boards which always bothered me.
Hey
Thanks for the work on the review.
Normally I'd have avoided ASROCK mobo like the plague, will put this one in the options when its time to upgrade from my b450m mobo in a year or so.
Another great info, never knew such mobo and cpu combo can even boot rather work for so long and such performance great vid and gold info. Please cover vrm specifications in future parts too.
Thank you for helping me find a reasonable mobo to pair with the 7600!
I built my first AM5 PC as a secondary build for my family's living room because the platform is now affordable.
Always nice to see a decent mid range mobo (so many are just terrible)- I appreciate the effort Asrock nice job.
Well ... this is by any means (features) no midrange. It's entry level. There are simply no cheaper options available.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738I guess as soon as the first few A620 release that might change. To the first one that will be released might enter in a weird spot price wise with this b650m board.
entry for AM5 sure, but it's midrange reletive to most systems on the market based on steam statistics.
True entry imho is a generation or two older where huge discounts could be scored.
At least it used to be like that, but these days looks like things have changed for the worst.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 A620 is a thing that exists
Thanks for the video, really enjoyed it!
Would like to see you test MSi's motherboards again, just to see if the BIOS update did the trick.
Love your videos guys! I’ve never been this early
Glad the B650M-HDV/M.2 does well despite being in the bottom-of-the-barrel territory. Hope you will get the B650M Pro RS whenever it is released!
That would be nice.
Yea Pro RS series always the champion in low budget area
Honestly it has everything I need. I'm on a 5950X on a B450 Tomahawk MAX and I really don't need all the jazz. One rear USB 2 connector for my wireless mouse/keyboard. USB A and USB C front connector for the rare occurrence that I need to copy something onto a thumb drive. 100mbit LAN would be sufficient as that's my internet speed. One M.2 for system and 2 SATA for bulk. My headphones, speakers and controller are bluetooth but I have a dedicated WiFi card that I'll be carrying over anyway. I have no idea what people plug into 8 USB ports...
But I absolutely positively need 3x DisplayPort. Not having three monitors is an unreasonably cruel form of torture.
B650M Pro RS pretty much same board but with 4 ram slots. If you need more than 64Gb ram and 1 extra usb port on back then you should indeed get Pro RS. VRM and most of the features are same. Wierd enough front Type C header is USB 3.2 Gen 1 (5Gbps) on Pro RS and Gen 2 (10Gbps) on HDV. You also can get WiFi enabled board for 10-15euros more in Pro RS WiFi variant. Only downside with these AsRock boards seems to be tuning, Gigabytes RAM tuning is top notch on Gaming X boards, AsRock seems to like tiny bit looser timings causing 1-2% difference in performance in games and benchmarks, not huge but AsRock could improve this alot, maybe they leave the better tuning for more expensive B650E and X670/X670E boards.
*Excellent content* since expensive motherboards seems to be the factor why many PC builders tent to use a AM4 platform a bit longer or considering Intels 13 Gen, although there are both no longer upgrade paths to foreseen in the future!
*One question* I still do have +Hardware Unboxed : How does these m.2 PCI "limitations" translate to real life? Let's say I wanna use a m.2 SSD like a Crucial P3 with 3500 MB/s speed. Would that be a problem? Or faster ones with 5000/ 6000 MB/s?
Or let's say I use an external HDD via USB 3.0 for backup purposes and plug in another USB 3.0/ 3.1 Stick in the front of my PC: *Does anything slow down with these sub 200 USD boards?*
I simply could not "translate" those theoretical speed and m.2 PCI gen 4/5 specs to a "real life scenario" where a more expensive board would make a difference. Maybe you have a scenario at hand to explain that!
Otherwise I would have a *suggestion for better categorizing these boards:* How about you come up with like 3 - 4 use cases for a PC like a family multimedia system, an enthusiast gamer system, an HTPC or a budget system for students and younger gamers just entering PC gaming. You could think about a configuration which you think would fit to these types of use cases. From that it is possible to make a "must have" and "could have" list of features a hardware piece should have.
For example 4 USB ports are maybe to few for a HTPC. Or an enthusiast system should support the latest and upcoming standards in speed. Or for an entry level budget system maybe 4 SATA ports are enough.
*With such a categorization or at least list of "must haves" and "could haves" it could be easier to explain when a board or component doesn't meet the anticipated buyers group with that price point it does come with.*
Also down the road it could be a *fine project "recommended PC for a common use case"* for you viewers to actually build one of these PCs for that categorized use case (like an entry level AM5 PC) to show what you can get these days for your money, to suggest a well balanced system and to see how the market evolves with that.
Because now we have the transition from AM4 to AM5. And many buyers ask themselves: how much more expensive is a good balanced PC build. Should I still go AM4 (with like a B550 and a Ryzen 5600) or should I invest in a AM5 with DDR 5 (B 650, Ryzen 7600). With a recommended configuration you can easily track when AM4 is getting too expensive (and has no advantage anymore) or when AM5 is more attraktive.
And same goes with Intels transition from a 12./ 13. Gen 1x600K with maybe still DDR4 to an upcoming Gen 14. system with DDR5. Maybe only one year and Intel buyers also ask the question to still go 13 Gen or to invest in more expensive 14. Gen.
And since you already did something like that with generation comparison when Ryzen 7000 launched, it would simply be a logical step to develop this into 3 - 4 highly recommended configurations which development in price you could track over time to give your viewers a hinge what to expect when considering buying a new PC. Such a "optimal configuration" can also be a benchmark for new parts (mobo, GPU) to see if they meet the requirement or not.
For me the situation is the following: I have a midrange system in mind (something like a Ryzen 7600/ 7700 with 32 Gigs RAM and a GPU with at least 16 Gigs or VRAM) and I follow reviews and prices. But when maybe now is not the best time to enter AM5 and still go with AM4 or Intel 13. Gen when a new PC is really needed, *it's getting suddenly very interesting when finally motherboard prices normalize more, maybe some new GPU enter the market and CPU prices adjust as well*
I think you got the idea.
Sorry for the wall of text.
But I think it was necessary because after covid I noticed *many discussion in twitch chats and comments about these topics when and what to buy.* And a recommended configuration in a specific price range summarized in a video would make *a fine base line for any discussion!* Not because of companies and preferred brands but because of necessary features and a price.
Greetings from Germany!
p.s. Inspired by MKBHDs best smartphone awards as a compass what to aspect in a certain category with often one or two follow up recommendations.
nice to see some1 testing the cheaper componants were most people want to buy keep up the good work mate
More M-ATX reviews!. Thank you for the video Steve, this review will give a lot of buyers the certainty to buy this MoBo
Great job, as always! Will you be able to review the non-M.2 model of this board? Ars Technica reports that board’s VRM cooling isn’t as robust as this model.
1 mil sub soon, well deserved
That's amazing! I went in with low expectations and actually have a recommendation for budget gaming friends in a year or ao
This board and a 7700 zen4 just might sway me to get onto the AM5 platform. I'm still on B450, 2600x, and it's been just fine for what I use my pc for. _But_ , I'm itching for a new build.
Well done Asrock. This is exactly the board I am most curious about. Curious no more , thank you Steve.
If you upgraded your bios and got a 5800X3D it would melt your face off.
I'm also on a B450 board. Upgraded from a 2700x to a 5800x for 70 Euros.
Got myself a RTX 3080 and I'm really ready for the next big games.
Get a 5800X3D.
@Youngie761 i did last week from 3600 as my last Processor upgrade in AM4 socket. Trust me OP, if gaming is your priority, then try this 5800x3d. Have a look in HU benchmark video.
These guys screaming at you to get the 5800X3D.
What they are not telling you is, to get a top grade AIO to cool it cause it gets hot even in games it can touch 75C.
Yes! Been waiting on this
best budget board i owned is a Gigabyte B550M S2H followed by a B760M Riptide from AsRock. They both are really amazing value/overclocking boards.
thanks for that big help for making my first pc
Nice to see ASRock is staying true to their roots. They became big by having a seriously solid entry level lineup that made them a no-brainer for me to suggest to every casual user I've built computers for (which is north of a hundred by now). Also nice to hear that they've stopped being pouty little bitches about reviews they thoroughly deserved and have started sampling you guys again. Perhaps management has woken up to the fact that bad products get bad reviews no matter what, so the only way to avoid it is to not... make bad products. Whatever the case this is certainly a board I'll keep in mind for entry level Ryzen builds.
Good one asrock👍.Not sure about other boards but in regards of boot times debate, gigabyte gaming x ax got 3 bios updates since your roundup testing.
Great review as always
I have a 7950X3D on the B650M PG Riptide and it works perfectly
It's really impressive that even the 7950X works quite well with a cheap B650 board, especially because AMD pushed them kinda hard with their default "out of the box" settings. It's impressive also because most people buying such a high-end CPU probably wouldn't be buying such a cheap motherboard anyway, but, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea. It's too bad that there weren't more boards like this being released earlier on in the Ryzen 7000 release cycle. A board like this (or maybe one slightly more expensive if it has some features you want) would be great to pair with a 7600, and will likely allow for some excellent upgrade options over the next 5 years or so.
Thank you for this!
Love the inclusion of the flashback button on a board that is going to see many generations of Ryzen CPUs.
Would love to see a complete roundup of every series.. every company.. all out sligfest.
Big 👍to having a good and affordable motherboard again.
Unrelated but dual slot memory motherboards should be much more common, not a price-cut feature. Big majority of people do not use 2 sticks per channel. Single stick per channel is easier on the memory controller, allows better overclock due to topology and DDR5 compatible CPUs have plain bad memory controllers. AMD especially, I've heard trouble running 4 sticks without any memory overclock.
Where are you getting the idea "Big majority of people do not use 2 sticks per channel"?
Never initially, but in all my systems to date I've ended up using the extra two slots down the line. And I hope future AMD processors that one can put on those boards fix the memory controller to work well with 4 sticks.
Can't wait for A620 motherboard VRM roundup, this is where the real fun begins!
Heading to a million subs. Great! 🙌
Excellent review. I am totally gonna get this board for a full system overhaul with a rx 7800 xt upgrade and dual boot with linux. :)
Good stuff Asrock, see it doesn't hurt that much taking some consumer feedback into your products!
I have build 2 Pcs with Asrock boards so far (z170 and z370).
And the most notable in both cases was that they always booted extremely fast compared to my asus and Gigabyte Pcs.
The Asrock third PCIE slot being a 4 lane in a X16 slot makes this board better. It can take a dual NVME card with a chip and give a great 4 x NVME drive configuration. I use such a configuration on a B550M which has the same configuration. Only the boards in the top cost category of the competitors have this availability. I might even go Ryzen 7000 series now there is a cost effective board to do what I want.
AM5 with an 7600 for examples starts to make a lot more sense with DDR5 RAM having come down quite a bit and with boards like that ASRock.
Haven't watched this fully, still at sponsor spot, but I am really eager to see how this compares to the Gigabyte B650M DS3H
edit: never thought it would be exciting to see motherboard companies fighting to gain market share, but ASRock and Gigabyte are killing it now!
anything is better than gigabyte, in my experience anyways.
@@Born_Stellar best budget board i owned is a Gigabyte B550M S2H followed by a B760M Riptide from AsRock. They both have some really amazing value/overclocking boards.
honestly 2 DIMM slots is not a downside. I thought to upgrade to 32GB RAM on my B450m Mortar Max just to find out it can't do 3600/16 it could handle on either kit individual (and they're perfectly matched - made sure of it and it was Ballistix on Micron Rev.E), hell it could not even do 3200/16 stable. Ended up selling both kits and buying new DJR kit 2x16 which now runs no problem 3600/16. 4 DIMM slots can quickly turn into quite a headache getting things to work.
Eh, I like not having to flip anything to upgrade. That's why I am looking to buy an AM5 build in general, just so I don't have to swap a motherboard to run a newer CPU. And for the same reason I'd rather have 4 DIMM slots.
awesome B650 AM5 motherboard, hope you can make a video update for a pc build using the best price/performance pc parts with this MB.
i cant wait to see a b650e overview and recommendations
depends on you use case. I needed a veryu cheap motherboard for a nas, so my bottom cheap a320 HDV is working excellent for the use case. It has been running Truenas 24/7 for over 1½ years now. Fully stable on been down due to a fuse blown in the master fuse box and 2 times for a major software update.. The only thing i found lacking was at this early board was no m.2 socket.
Not everybody needs a fully loaded gaming capable board
Very nice - this is what I want to see for reasonable VRM's (not insanely over built with reasonable temps) on more budget oriented B650 mobo's. Now if I could get this in an ATX form board with 6 SATA ports with (prob asking for a bit much) a single 4x connected PCIe slot (does not have to be connected to cpu) we'd have a winner for my needs.
"Now if I could get this in an ATX form board with 6 SATA ports..."
The problem with this is that the B650 chipset only has 4 SATA connections. The only way to get more is to use X670 or to add a SATA controller chip, which you won't find on low-end motherboards. Installing a SATA controller card is likely to be your only option if you want more than 4 SATA drives on a budget AM5 motherboard.
Looking nice. Have one of their z boards I got on sale in my coffee lake build.
2.5Gb LAN on an entry level board is still a nice addition. Sure it doesn't have all the bells and whistles but I can't think of any "must haves" it is missing.
no debug indicator - it's a must have to me (for some home use that I will have to maintain)
@@stanimir4197 also no argb headers which is a plus but if you use rgb ram your going to get the puke show
Windows starts faster on it, because there are only 2 places for RAM, not 4. This allows you to overclock the memory much better, because the 2-slot architecture improves the operation of the RAM.
Thanks for this review! I bought this MB with the Ryzen 5 7600 and I'm satisfied so far
Yo I wanna ask you...
How can you connect the rgb?
Like the fans and the cooler
Also can you turn them off?
Because I heard that it doesn't have an ARGB header.. but does that mean even no RGB control at all??
Can't wait to see A620 boards tested. If this can survive 7950X than maybe they will be an amazing deal for ryzen 7600
So acho tutorial gringo sobre essa placa. Excelente trabalho a equipe Hardware Unboxed
hi,
do you know if the seagate firecuda 530 with integrated heatsink might fit into the m.2 slot? couldn't find any exact measurements for this and if something sticks out or something.
This is what I was looking for to pair it with 7500f. A good entry to a new platform and good jump from my old 3600
This seems super interesting, decent VRM, 2 dimm slot = generally great memory OC(see how fast it trains the memory)
certainly doesn’t have the most connectivity, but ample usb port and m.2/SATA, even had front panel type C and 2.5G LAN and internal WiFi m.2.
Seems to be a perfect gamers OC board. Those who have few SSD, 1 GPU, 1 WiFi and that’s it.
Can i put rx 6700xt on it? I am confused of pcie gens...
@@lami5209 long story short yes. It will run at full speed
@@OMGJL tnx
Decent VRM, somewhat decent heatsink, ok rear IO, reasonable internal connections. Imo a solid board at the price. A 125 bucks am4 board doesn't offer many more features, and you get pcie 5 and ddr5. Good job asrock.
Kinda torn on the thermal limit, i kinda get it tbh. Barely any performance loss, tech savy people can easily disable it, but the non-tech savy don't panic about "OMG my CPU runs 95 degrees".
Looking forward to the A620 roundup.
I think fast boot on ASrock might be a feature, because I have a 3rd gen that boots crazy fast compared to my other 4th gen stuff.
Awesome. Now test the A620-HDV/M.2 and A620-HDV/M.2+. The VRM on the non-plus looks super low end.
With the lovely things you've said about Asrock in the past, it's really nice to see that they are sending you a Board for testing.
@@KG-bv4gy watch the whole video bro
ASROCK did not send them the board , Steve dropped a thank you towards the end of the video to the floatplane subs that let them buy this board . I'd say pay attention but we all skip thru videos from tine to time and miss things .
@@randoir1863 wrong, watch the whole video
@@randoir1863 If you actually did watch the video you'd know that ASRock did send a board but the one Steve bought arrived earlier so that's the one he reviewed. The ASRock board is still coming.
@@randoir1863 Watch the video again.
Seems like a good value board to dip your toes into AM5. Will work nicely with a 7600 and the option to drop in a later generation AM5 CPU a few years down the line.
Can i put rx 6700xt on it? I am confused of pcie gens...
I wonder if the fast boot time is partly due to the limited I/O overall. Apart from the memory limits, there are fewer devices and drivers for Windows to load and verify. If this was a memory performance thing, it should have reflected more in the gaming benchmarks.
Most likely the dual channel ram, from some reason ryzen doesn't like 4 sticks of ram all that much.
Really wish the OEMs would make some midrange mATX boards with 2 DIMM slots too. By the time I feel like getting 64GiB of RAM, it'll be just as cheap in 2x32 as 4x16.
2:15 Is there a review of gigabyte b650m K motherboard? Would love to hear Steve's opinion about it before i pull the trigger.
I am building a computer to replace the near nine year old monstrosity I have now. I didn't keep up on an active update cycle so... yeah. time to replace the i5-6600k and RX 580 I've been sporting.
Just looking at the specs on what was on offer and deciding I wasn't going to pay for more than what I felt I would need as it is primarily going to be for gaming, I selected this board. So far, I am happy with it. The last time I bought an ASRock board, it arrived DOA. The replacement also arrived DOA. Third time, I just opted for cash return and bought a Gigabyte board.
I am glad I didn't run into that problem this time ;) ASRock has been doing pretty well lately.
I'm interested in how well it will perform with the 7800X3D. I've got a ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi that I originally purchased to use with a 3950X. I'm no longer doing render work at home and have "upgraded" to a 5800X3D and it's such an amazing chip for gaming that I can't see gamers looking for the best value skipping the 7800X3D when it releases. I've heard that the X3D chips don't always play well with the cheaper chipsets, however, so if that's true then gamers looking for the most bang for their buck will still be looking at buying a mobo that costs over $200 USD.
ive got a dark hero Viii with a 5900X, and I really love that board.
I was able to put a 5900x in my crosshair Vi! x370, lol.
thanks for the video
poked a bit around on MSI forum and it seems the boot time issue is fixed in the latest beta-bios, at least for the Tomahawk version of the B650
I've used the B450M and B550M HDV boards and they've been just fine. No overclocking on them.
Been buying ASRock boards for a while now, and most of the PC's in my house have ASRock boards.
Generally my favorite BIOS (exception EVGA is the best) and the boards are usually the best bang for the buck.
-8 phase vrm
-8-layer pcb with 1DPC memory topology
-pcie 5.0 m.2 slot
-decent io with intregrated io shield
This is a decent board with great overclocking "features" (more of the lack of omissions that hurt overclocking), and not many useless features -like rgb-
It's probably the sole reason that makes the 7800x3d compete at all with the 13600k.
There should be more 2-dimm motherboards; they overclock so much better than 4-dimm ones, and the people that are looking to "fill the gaps" don't need to pay as much.
Good timing for the 7800X. Most wouldn't need a fancier board than this for even a high performance gaming build. Even though I remain a sucker for more M.2 slots.
Same thing here. Already populated two out of three of my m.2 slots and I'm not going to spare the last one...
@@vinylSummer lol, that marketing really working on you huh
@@tuckerhiggins4336😂
bought the board because of this video :D thank you Hardware Unboxed!
Any plans for a mid-end/high-end B650 motherboard roundup? I am waiting for that!
I use an Asrock B450 HDV Rel 4.0 and in April 2019 I paid Newegg $59.99 for it! I see a B650 for $140 as price gauging.
I'm not interested in power stuff, since I'm only using and intend to use APUs with 65W TDP. I'm not interested in Gen5 M2 stuff, since I perfectly happy with my 2019 Silicon Power M2 SSD running at 3400/2300MB/s. I'm happy with boot time of 6.5 secs of my daily used Xubuntu Virtual Machine and I only boot the Host OS after power fails. I will stay on AM4 at least till 2030.
I'm impressed. If I go 7800X3D this will be my choice. 2dimm layout makes ram tuning easier vs 4dimm. Easier to get gdm off running, usually allows for a bit hocger oc etc.
Precisely what I’m doing this Saturday at micro center 😁
I have the B350M-HDV. It works, it supports my 5600G, and it hasn't broken since 2017.
What camera do you use ? the image quality is amazing its like your sat in my living room.
Thanks Steve
thanks for sharing
great entry board for sure awesome
Almost got this board paired with a 7600 but i want to overclock DDR5 so instead i got the 760M Riptide and 12400F. Its faster in gaming with 5000 MHz and 7000C36
2 DIMM slots was probably the best decision they could've made with this board. DDR5 barely runs on 4 slots and you get better performance with 2 slots anyway. And the other benefit that I'll never take for granted are DBUG leds. They may be basic but I'd rather have them then nothing at all. Gigabyte continues to leave them out their cheaper boards which makes them a no go for me at least.
I'd not buy a board w/o a seven segment debug indicator. A discreet debug card (pci-e/mini-pci, and an ancient LPC in one) is like $3 from the Candy Mountain - so the debug indicator is mere cents for the motherboard producer (brand name 2 digit indicator is like $0.4 at mouser, around $1 with the controller)
I kind of like the previous HDV boards. They are very small, often shorter than DTX but a little bit wider. They are also cheap and power efficient. I have a H370M-HDV (7.5-in x 7.4-in, 19.1 cm x 18.8 cm) with only a bare 3+1 VRM and no M.2 slot. But for a small server its perfect, and you can use the PCIe x16 slot with a 2$ M.2 card adapter from Ali. The best thing is that the 3+1 VRM is very power efficient, so you can have a game server running, like ARK or 7D2D ,that idles under 20w when nobody's on and still have plenty of cpu power for Boss fights and 64+ hordenights, with an old I7-8700 CPU and no airflow over the "no heatsink" VRM!
I use to think that big expensive VRMs were also more power efficient, but when you think about it, it's obviously not. If you need big heatsinks and airflow, to keep them from overheating, they can't be very efficient. So I have no problem with the weak VRM on my B450-f Strix, because it works perfectly, even without airflow, and is probably the reason why that board can idle under 40W with a 3060ti and 3 M.2's. I don't overclock CPU's anymore, because they are already pressed far beound there efficiency curve at stock, and I see no reason to up the power consumption with a third, to gain 5% in performance. To me, It's much more fun to down the power consumption with a third, without loosing more than 5% performance. It also have the added advantage, that you can make the PC completely silent ...
"The best thing is that the 3+1 VRM is very power efficient"
No it isn't. It power-limits the CPU. This makes _the CPU_ and _the PC as a whole_ more efficient, but it also makes them slower. The efficiency of the VRM itself is terrible.
"I use to think that big expensive VRMs were also more power efficient, but when you think about it, it's obviously not."
It obviously *is* more efficient if you learned about how resistors in circuits work at school. Fewer parallel circuits with higher-resistance components output more heat.
"If you need big heatsinks and airflow, to keep them from overheating"
They don't. High-end motherboards have VRM heatsinks which are usually completely unnecessary (except for extreme overclocking). The heatsinks are there so midrange motherboards don't have a "feature" that high-end boards lack, and for decoration. Ask buildzoid.
@@nathangamble125 I ment efficient at 20W, and I seem to recall that Buildzoid often talks about how mosfets/powerstages has a range where they are most efficient. If you use an 8 face vrm with 60amp powerstages, they will be way out of there sweet spot when you are only drawing 20W. Kind of like a bronce 200w PSU are more efficient at 20w, than a platinum 800w PSU. High end VRMs also has way higher switching frequency for better stability at high powerdraw, which probably don't help with efficiency either. BTW, as long as the CPU don't throttle, it's not slower.
THANKS for including the Windows Load Time! That is a make-or-break for me. Slow OS load is trash.
As expected - sic654 are quite good VRMs. Please chech if a620 b650 low end are suitable for gaming and productivity. Especially mising PBO, CO in a series's
are all b650 boards, feature wise, on part with high end b550 boards? like 2.5g lan, wifi6, ALC1220, usb-c port