Why the hell they charge so much for these days? My God! Most of them are absolute garbage. Huge thanks to Hardware Unboxed for raising public awareness.
seriously the price of am5 boards is so fucking insane, i just went to am4 instead and got a 5800x3d even for a build i did just a month ago, and my other builds are 5950x, theres like zero reason to get am5 until the boards are not expensive as shit lol!
That's the doubleedged sword of capitalism : people are very quick to cry, shout and moan "mUh eViL cOrPoRaTiOnS" when in fact, the only thing a corporation does is selling products or services, and THEY HAVE TO SELL if they want to stay solvant. So if people want lower prices, they just have to stop buying. You can stay indifferent longer than they can stay solvent, don't forget that.
@@curryking1 Absolutely delusional. A good AM4 board still runs well over 200$ at which point you can get a perfectly good x670 board for the same price. Secondly, even a ryzen 7600 beats a 5800x3d at gaming, everything else is just massively downhill from there. The boards in this video are like 100 bucks, that's about on par with the cheapest crappiest motherboards of any generation prior, what exactly are you expecting?
@@wheezel55 basically, if the vrm is trash your CPU will be unstable and have reduced performance. you see those metal cubes around your CPU on the motherboard? those are vrms and the more of those cubes you have the better the ''vrm design'' is.
I know this might be seen as some sort of win but it's still marketing. Sans proper boycott, do you know how companies truly lose? When people forget they exist and don't shop from them anymore.
@@BleedForTheWorld no people need to find their spine and make companies hurt in the only way they understand, money. nothing will get better as long as people are spineless and wont hold anyone/thing to account. it's just going to get worse overtime and the longer this goes on for, the longer it's going to take to fix.
It does show MSI don't play childish blacklist games and are still willing to work with creators, even on content that leans negative to them. This is what you should be wanting to see, not that infamous nvidia media blacklist garbage from a few years back.
Important to note that on many of these B650 Gigabyte boards you are unable to overclock/undervolt the CPU due to bios restrictions (as far as I know). A friend purchased a D3HP board and has been unable to tweak CPU voltage nor has he been able to use PBO2 for undervolting. This seems to be a common issue online. Unsure why Gigabyte would restrict even undervolting on these boards. FYI Make sure to look into BIOS capability before purchasing. EDIT: Please take this with a grain of salt, but a user posted their correspondence with GIGABYTE support where these GIGABYTE models were said not to support overclocking. Extremely disappointing that I had to dig for this information as it wasn't readily available: -B650 UD AC -B650M D3HP -B650M D3HP AX -B650M C V2 -B650M Gaming Wifi -B650M D2H -B650M S2H -B650M H
@@H786... i think the best is to search a specific mobo you're interested in and see if any reviews are able to go in bios and do all sorts of stuff like undervolt/overclock just so you have an idea on that specific board before buying i think that would help quite alot
Absolutely no one. HU Steve: Gets paid by MSI as a video sponsor. Continues to thrash MSI motherboards in the same video. Very professional and pro consumer honesty. Thanks Steve. Love your work. Such an effort to review and stress test a heap load of motherboards like that.
@@scroopynooperz9051 Super weird take on your end but he lives in the UK lol, that's why his accent is a bit odd. IIRC he moved to the UK when he was younger so he has kind of a hybrid accent.
Last year I bought the MSI B650M-A with your advice, and I'm pretty happy with it! It actually has a one click PBO profile that decreased my 7600X's temps about 12 degrees and it's power usage about 30 watts all while maintaining 5.45 GHz all cores and not a single crash ever since!!! for a couple of clicks, that is AWESOME!!
I have the same motherboard and almost the same CPU (7600). These two products were a great deal when I bought them and are delivering impressive performance at low temperatures. Cheers!
I bought a B650M Pro RS thinking it was the same as the one tested here the last time. I didn't know how wrong I was, but all things considered it's not a bad motherboard. The problem was availability and price in my region. Back when I built my PC even the trashiest B650 models didn't cost less than 170 euros. I ended up paying 140 for my Pro RS.
@@RogerkonijntjeIndeed. Shocking that a company can be good at one thing, but bad at others. It's almost like they have different groups within said company that have different levels of competency!
@@benjaminoechsli1941 MSI isn't bad at making motherboards by any means. They can produce good boards at decent prices (they've done it before) so this product launch is deliberate, and I'm sure most of these boards will end up at third world countries where costumers aren't informed enough or don't have the means to be so.
MSI isn't omnipresent nor is their QC from one product applicable to an utterly separate entity. Putting MSI on blast for their motherboards while also praising when they make good monitors, is what actual non-bias is. If you're trying to imply that blasting their motherboards means they should be hating monitors too, then you are clueless.
Most interesting motherboard review I've seen in a while. To be fair, not many places seem to review motherboards these days, and this round up offers up heaps of data. Great video! Love the work, thanks Steve!!
Here in the Philippines, most of the $100-135 boards in this vid are minimum $175 lol There's barely any b550m boards at the $100-135 price range. What a terrible time to build/upgrade your PC
Some of those temps are even more alarming when you consider that the Arctic Liquid cooler is blowing air directly at the VRMs. If you're using any other AIO there's going to be little to no air moving across them. If the budget boards are this bad you can't easily claim you can get AM5 boards for as low as $120 unless you're shopping very carefully. Thanks for the heads up Steve.
In Brazil they charge a very high premium for boards with integrated WiFi and Bluetooth. It would be awesome a benchmark for WiFi adapters that would also include a comparison between integrated top mobo, pci adapter and usb adapters. Average speed, range/distance from router capability
If you're building an entry-level AM5 system today with plans to upgrade as AM5 CPUs evolve, spend your money on the motherboard and the PSU. If you cheap out on either one, you'll regret it.
Needing 200w+ delivered to the cpu is kind of niche usage. Most people will never need that even if they upgrade on am5. Especially as ryzen are rather efficient even on the high end (7900, 7950x3d). No need to overspend. A mobo like the decent b650m asrock one is fine for most for the next 8 years. If most people would actually buy only what they need, there would be less complaints about high prices and also we might also see prices drop. But people like to overspend money and complain about it as if they were forced to. Of course, if you use your PC for heavy workloads (not gaming), you'd better buy a mid range 200$ b650 one to be safe.
@@PalaC1 Nobody knows, not only do we have zen 5 coming, but zen 6, perhaps zen 6 doubles the core count and does something about the thick IHS, like raising the cpu up like intel did with the i9 7980x3 skylake-x series with a second pcb under the IHS to get the core closer to the surface. If AMD did this, they could push zen 6 with 32 cores to 300-400w like intel is doing. Who knows, intel may come out with something competitive and AMD may be forced to chase higher power like intel has.
@@PineyJustice Zen 5 is already confirmed to be an 8-core CCD. So, you can expect the 3D chip to have the same or lower TDP than 7800X3D, so if you're on the budget, this cheap motherboards would be enough for the foreseeable future upgrade.
@@807800 I said zen 6, not 5. In 20 years of building computers and helping people fix them, I don't think a single time have I ever seen someone happy they cheaped out on their motherboard or psu. To go from the very cheapest mobo and psu to good stuff, we're talking like an extra 100-150$ here, save up a little longer since these parts last multiple generations.
I've had a 5800X3D on an MSI B550A-Pro for about two years. Great VRM. I think I paid $100 for the mobo. Granted, I had to add a WiFi 6 PCI board, which added about $40 to the cost. But it's been a rock solid combination. It's almost criminal that these poorly designed B650 boards even exist.
Never undersestimate the importance of quality MB review ;) just missing a single "M" letter in the naming can make a HUGE difference ;) Keep up the good work folks!
The "M" is in 99% of the cases just a designator for microATX. Only difference here is that some manufacturers have chosen to make a microATX version with the same name as the fullsized one, but nerfing the VRM to the point where you wouldn't want to use the board for anything faster than a mid-range CPU (7700/7800X3D). That said whoever buys a 7950X and sticks it on a super-budget board probably should look into a different hobby anyway...
It's actually a terrible motherboard review. The only thing reviewed is the VRMs in a way that no sane user would ever use them. How about testing them with say a 7600 or a 7800x3d and reviewing the actual features rather than torture testing them for hours with a 16 core cpu that costs 600$ in a 100$ motherboard.
@@Knaeckebrotsaege "mid range cpu" then proceed to list the fastest gaming cpu on the planet. But that's what these boards are for, running a 7500f-7700x or a x3d chip. They're low end b650 boards, everyone forgets a620 is a thing, these are just a620 boards with extra features. Just like some x670 boards are b650 tier quality with the extra x670 features.
The thing is, there are 4 different versions of Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX. V1.0/1.1 have a Twin 14+2+1 Digital VRM Design, 70A Smart Power Stage, and AMD Wi-Fi 6E RZ616 PCB rev. 1.0/Intel Wi-Fi 6E AX210 PCB rev. 1.1 V1.2 have a Twin 14+2+1 Digital VRM Design, 70A Smart Power Stage, and Realtek Wi-Fi 6E RTL8852CE V2.0 have a Twin 12+2+2 Phases Digital VRM Solution, and Realtek Wi-Fi 6E RTL8852CE I can only find V2.0 new to buy now.
Are they bad though? We're seeing these boards being used in a way that they were never designed to be and many of them still passed. Do you think that we'd be seeing these results in a gaming build with an R5-7600 or R7-7800X3D? I sure don't. I think that these boards would most likely be ideal for gamers, especially with their low prices.
@@QuentinStephens None of them claimed they were specifically for running a 7950x, which they all did run with just fine. There is zero review on any features or quality aside from can the VRMs run a cpu that no sane user would ever put in this board.
@@QuentinStephens Also, particularly with budget offerings, these are running a b650 chipset, not the budget a620 chipset, making this a low end product made of midrange parts, compromises have definitely been made to hit this lower pricepoint, if that compromise wasn't in the VRMs, where was it?
@@AvroBellow You nailed it. These boards are bought and used with Ryzen 5 or max. 7. Not R9. To really give useful information to the audience these boards should have been tested with those CPUs and and mainly in gaming. This is what these boards are mainly bought and used for. This would have been very good information for the buyers. This review has very little value to anyone.
I truly appreciate the work you put into these motherboard reviews. I refer to them often when building new systems. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to excellent content.
The "C" suffixed boards are usually built to the standards of the California Energy Commission's "high expandability" category. AsRock made a B550-C that also had a boatload of PCIe slots, for example.
It's C for crypto (able to connect a ton of GPUs via risers, while sacrificing other features like LAN etc), nothing to do with california, but of course FUD like that gets upvoted to the moon... smfh
Can I just say that the rating is fokking stupid, one PHYISCAL (not electrical) PCIE x16 slot gets 75 points....SEVEN TIMES the rating of one M.2 slot....despite more than one x16 slot rarely being useful in any end-user context. You usually have one GPU, and the only other thing that I can think off is a card on which you place multiple NVME SSDs, which is something only run in HEDT systems for people that work with their pcs. Not something a typical home end-user does. A good expandability Layout for an end-user PC would be: 1 PCIE x16 slot 1 or 2 x4 slots (useful for say a 10G LAN card or a SATA extension card, or a card for one or two M.2 drives) 2 PCIE x4 slots (useful for a soundcard or an SATA extension card) (all spaced to be useable with a 3-4 slot Graphics card. and all electrical not just physical PCIE slots.) At least 2 M.2 slots for storage, better 3 or 4. 4 SATA ports, after all one still might need HDDs or some older SATA SSDs. 4 RAM slots No compromises, two slot boards are stupid! decent oboard sound at least 2.5G LAN, better 10G. Optionally WLAN. 3-4 USB 2.0 slots for input devices, 4 USB 3.0 for various devices, 2 USB 3.1 for quick storage, 1-2 USB 3.2 for even quicker storage. 1-2 USB 4.0 Good VRM, no shitty ones. Two-digit error/fault code display. That should be MANDATORY for easy error diagnosis. Dual Bios, so the board is not bricked if the BIOS/UEFI goes wrong. That is a current config, further technologies like optilink to be added as they become available to the end user. I have an MSI X570S Carbon Max Wifi and if I only calculate the PCIE slots and the M.2 slots I get 335 points, 455 if I add the SATA to the mix. But with only 4 physical not electrical PCIE slots and one M.2 you can almost match the much more useable config on my board. The X570S has 2 PCIE x16 slots (waste as they either run 8x and 8x or 16 and x4 via the board and the second is deactivated if M2_3 is used with a PCIE NVME SSD), 2 PCie x1, 4 M.2 slots M-Key, 1 e-Key PCIE (WLAN), 4 memory banks, 8 SATA slots (halved to 4 if M2_4 is used). Add to that 2 USB 2.0, 4 USB 3.0, 2 USB 3.1, 1 USB 3.1 C-type, 1 2.5G LAN connector, onboard sound (don't use it, have a soundcard) Politicians should shut the Fokk up and let us technicians write the standards! Speaking as a PC repair tech.
What kind of RAM are you using? Got the Same components with the corsair vengeance 2x16GB. Only problem is the yellow Ram LED stays lit and i cant get into BIOS. Does anyone have a solution for this Problem?
In this and your latest B650 roundup I am missing the "MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI". I am using that in my system (cost was 185€) with a 7950X3D and 64GB 6000 Mhz Corsair Vengeance Ram. XMP and 6000 works no issues. System is stable also in Stress test. However, benchmarks a bit below expected (around 5% or so). Bluetooth is wonky but the most annoying part is that the system takes forever to post. Restarting/Booting takes 1:25 and 1:44 Minutes respectively, which is insanely long and remind me back of the times where I had a super slow spinning HDD many years ago. It takes much longer than even my 7 year old potatoe PC, despite having a 50x faster drive (SN850X).
It's one thing to assume someone who spends the fuzz on a Ryzen 9 is not going to scrape the bottom when it comes to their MoBo , it's another thing entirely to tell them they CAN use the boards, or that they are a great choice. Of course, anyone who has been around this stuff for any length of time will tell you, it's nothing new...
Yes, give us a J-series and... maybe a Q-series for the other company? boards for budget builders that don't mind a cheaply-built board because midrange and budget chips don't need something stronger.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Do you one better, and it already exists. The A620 line. These are bottom tier boards using a midrange chipset, that's why they're fairly cheaply built.
this is also with the liquid freezer aio that has a vrm fan, so some of the ones that are close to throttling will do so with less airflow going over them.
Hi, was hoping you could test/go over the B650M GAMING PLUS WIFI. They mention 10+2+1 DUET RAIL POWER SYSTEM vrm design on their website but no other info. They're a little bit cheaper than the MSI Pro B650M-A WiFi in Australia hence I'm considering either of these 2.
Your motherboard guides are so crucial for people building new systems. The sea of different motherboards, all with slightly different model names, is so confusing to navigate on my own. Your testing sorts out the best value motherboards very effectively, and can be easily referenced again later when prices change. Thanks for putting in this work!
I would love to see idle power consumption measurements of boards as especially AM5 seems to differ extremely. Some use gets 30 W with the H/M.2+ while another one with a different board gets 60 W. It's important to set the right buttons in the UEFI for best idle measurements. So we would need two different measurements for the best picture.
Just had a build with the asrock b650m pro rs wifi (7600x). Amazing board for the price tbh in europe. Just updated the bios, turned on expo 6400mhz cl32 and selected the pbo on -20, 85c preset. Solid as a rock. Also performs like expected in cinebench. Kind of weird it lowers the power draw since it should be able to handle the full 200 ish watts like the other boards. Especially since voltage and frequency are the same. Could have gone for the "much better on paper" asus b650 plus wifi but the stability on (lower end) asus boards isnt very trustworthy (stability overall and memory speed, every new bios is a lottery, even the wifi had problems with lots of people). Another build with the asus x670e plus wifi is solid although a lot more expensive.
I'm from Europe as well. In my place the B650 PRO RS Wi-Fi cost was outrageous. B650 PG Lightning ATX prices. I could choose only between crap-tier Asus B650 or ASRock A620M PRO RS. Happy with the second one.
unfortunately the most important aspect of the video (for me) was not included: Ryzen 7600 and 7800X3D were not tested so we cannot verify the impact of the boards' crappiness. Your point is valid that it is inexcusable that they advertise support for Ryzen 9 170W parts while not delivering it, but realistically for me and most of your audience, I want to know if I can have peace of mind with regards to choosing mobos for a 7600 or 7800X3D that I might buy. Based on the video I did not learn that information so I still don't know if I would be fine with a $150 mobo or if I really need to go to the 200-300 range just so I can stay clear of issues. I know it is a lot of extra testing to test more processors but that data would be very valuable for everyone
Thx for your work guys! I really dont understand why so many sleep on asrock boards. I currently have 2 systems with ASRock MB and they both just run perfectly. The ASRock B650E Phantom Gaming Riptide WiFi is paired with my wifes 7700X and my 7800X3D sits on a B650I Lightning WiFi and it works like a charm. I dont know why there are so few tests about the B650I.
Probably because they have a history with cheap, very low quality products. It is good thing that they have improved but if you look like 5-10 years back all the worst (big brand) MBs on the market were Asrock models. And yes, they were horrid and the quality was poor. It is very hard and time consuming to gain good reputation but it is very easy to loose it very quickly and that is what Asrock did just a few years ago.
These board are not meant for even Ryzen 7 despite all absurd claims by manufacturers. But not that bad for Ryzen 3/5. Pricing for most would drop to near 100$ in couple of months.
@@Hardwareunboxed I've been using it in my new PC for ~2 months. but the fact it uses 1Gbps LAN makes me feel weird, even though I will never use this speed. (its $155 for me)
If I'm choosing a motherboard, how can I find out which one is garbage and which isn't? Listed Features/expansion aside, should I look at the size of the VRM heatsink? Without independent testing it's impossible to make the right choice confidently
You commented under a 30min video of detailed information on 15 B650/B650M Boards. There are a lot of chapters to choose and get the information you are looking for in a timely matter. All of this information is free and always available. Steve did probably spend 60+ hours to make this comparison & there is the older B650 MoBo roundup with a very similar methodology. What I'm trying to say: You've got the all the information about current boards in 2 videos + several other channels/websites tested some boards aswell and you're still complaining about "Independent testing"?
Like and comment to support the video. Thank you for your motherboards test. They are the most extensive reviews for sure. I never realised you hadn't reviewed the B650M Pro RS. Its already highly recommended the last view months on Reddit in various PCbuilding subs. The HDV/M.2 remains the budget king. What would be the first budget choice if you need wifi? Or should we kinda buy our own wiif module and insert into the HDV/M.2?
If you absolutely need wifi, I would buy the hdv/m.2 and add your own wifi chip. The new AMD motherboards come with the mediatek/amd mt7921 chip (marketing name: rz608/rz616) which is awful. I personally find intel wifi chips to work most reliably (tho make sure you get a PCIE version, and also an antenna). That being said, in my experience even a gigabit ethernet connection will be a far nicer experience than even the nicest wifi chipset (especially in terms of reliability).
@@potatoes5829 oh I'm with you.. I'm on cable myself but get asked about wifi parts very often. Also I don't know about reliability I guess? And then buy antennas extras, or does the HDV/m.2 comes with antennas? (I know it has the connections) So I'd add something like a AX210
Yes the version is important. Because Gigabyte downgraded the PCB to only 6 layers compared to 8 on the V1 but priced the same Just shitty Gigabyte things 😊
Couple things. (1) Anyone too cash strapped to buy a MB costing more than $100, probably isn't going to upgrade to a future Ryzen 9 tier CPU (this is a nothing burger). (2) ~$100 tier MB have always been known for being CRAP! Of course they come with feature limitations
To note, Gigabyte also released quietly refreshes of Aorus B650 Elite AX (and non AX) called Aorus B650 Elite AX (non AX) V2, with the PCB nerfed to 6 layers and the board cost pretty much the same... 🤨
The unit of measurment for power is W noch w. Units that are derived from peoples names are in capital letters. So MHz is correct because hertz it is named after Heinrich Hertz. Watt is named after James Watt so it is 146W. Same for Volts, 1.087V because it is named after Alessandro Volta.
I'm happy with the *Asrock B650M PG Lightning* . I'm using it with a 7800X3D and DDR5 7000. System booted fine first try. This board also has 3 ports M.2 storage and an extra port for wifi
@@aaroufit HDV-M2 vs PG Lightening M.2 sockets 1 vs 3 Rear USB ports 7 vs 8 Power phases 11 vs 9. Seems like HDV would be better for more powerful overclockable CPU's. Personally I'm a fan of having many M.2 ports
Guys a heads up for new users, if you want to run XMP ram speeds on your new DDR5 motherboards you much use just 2 sticks of Ram. Do not buy 4 sticks due to a sale or something and expect to run XMP speeds it is extremely unlikely to work. All the best Damo
seriously the price of am5 boards is so fucking insane, i just went to am4 instead and got a 5800x3d even for a build i did just a month ago, and my other builds are 5950x, theres like zero reason to get am5 until the boards are not expensive as shit lol!
Hi Steve! Hope you're doing well! @21:36 it got me wondering. Could the lower performance on some of the B650 boards be the reason only for the CPUs which are higher core count such as the 7900X and 7950X? What if the performance on all these boards are extremely close to each other with more budget oriented CPUs like the R5 7600? Maybe these brands are indirectly telling people to spend more on motherboards if they are using higher core count CPUs? While Giga is the worst, it is also the best in the charts here. Please lmk what you think.
boy i dodged a bullet. i'm glad i spent the extra money and got the b650 aorus elite ax instead of the gaming wifi for my 7800x3d. thanks for your work in testing these boards.
The b650m pro rs is pretty decent. It's literally a clone of the hdv with more I/O, rgb headers, fan headers and different pcie layout. Besides that it's literally the same vrm as the hdv and it's usually ahout 10-15 dollars more expensive.
Just 5 Hours ago i was looking at some B650 Boards for next Upgrade, good timing! I have settlet for these two but ill wait for Price reduction and Updates for next Gen Support! (If it will happen) Asrock B650E Taichi Lite ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI
@@ralphwarom2514 X670 is just B650 with another promontory chipset. 4 lanes come in.... 4 lanes go out, its a daisy chain like a USB hub in 2005. B650 still gets 2x NVME from the CPU (potentially PCIE5) plus another NVME from the chipset which is enough for most people. Even if you get an X670 with 2x NVME from the chipset.. they're still both connected to the cpu by pcie4 x4 downlink.
It's very insulting to me that almost all big UA-cam tech channels are not doing motherboards reviews anymore. Even the ones that are called ffin "Gamers Nexus" you don't need to have a motherboard for gaming? Just endless of PC cases??? I am utterly annoyed and Hardware Unboxed is keep the standard high for all of them!
@Hardwareunboxed still dont know which boards are ok. In the final thoughts or conclusion you never specify which ones to get nor do you completely list the ones not to get
At 28:40, I can't tell if you meant to say "AMD" instead of "Intel." If you meant to say mobos for Intel chips also have these issues, would've been nice to more clearly emphasize that.
Happy to see ASRock returning to their rightful place as the cheap board kings. Of course with AM5, they're also the value high-end board kings (B650E Taichi Lite). It was a rough couple generations for ASRock.
The main problem is that AM5/LGA1700 socket is combined desktop and hedt, so there are differrent boards for 16 core cpu and 4 core. 7950 requires X chipset board
I've been happy with my MSI MPG B650 EDGE WIFI motherboard build. It's a step-up from their MAG TOMAHAWK WIFI B650 board, which is also a pretty good motherboard (I used the B450 version of it back in the day on my 3700X build).
Today, I mounted my new gaming PC, an ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 and a Ryzen 7800X3D. I will do my tests tomorrow to see how it works and if the VRM are sufficient to hold the 7800X3D to the maximum of its possibilities, while being cooled by an AIO Eisbaer 240 and an AIO Eiswolf 360 GPU, all in loop. Thx
Love your doing this, thanks. This is really helping the community. I did follow your last round of advice, and ended up with an Asus board that is screaming, as in coil whine. I would love if you made your testing methodology to be able to run these boards at load and in idle, with hardly any fan and pump noise, and if you could report on the coil whine. I use the hdv/m.2 as well, and it is dead silent. That means, that since I lucked out and found a 3060 with no whine, my system is now virtually silent, even at full throttle, when air cooled. I actually need to check if the fans are spinning, to tell if it is on or not, as there is no other way to know. I know you don't tend to point it out, but basically all the users I interact with, need WIFI. Again, the hdv/m.2 support this, if you get like a Intel solution for it. Some of the boards at hand, do not really support WIFI, unless you want to block the airflow of your GPU, and some really do not support it at all. Sure I can figure this out on my own, but this is a feature in higher demand among all the users I face, than what you do in your reviews. Again, I love your doing this, but if you could test these in under real and silent solutions for coil whine, I would really appreciate it. Those who want to know dead silent (r7 7700): Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2 moderate whine, particularly at idle (all cpus): Asus TUF GAMING B650M-PLUS WIFI
There is a little more than wattage to judge whether a board is good or not lol. Why would anyone pair such a CPU with that mainboard. How can you say a board is trash when you oversize the CPU lol. If there is only one 8-Pin connector everyone should know this is not meant for high end CPUs. Pair these board with a 7500F and you're in the range of what people would actually do.
How does b650m pg lightning and b650m h/m.2+ share exactly the same VRM config (6x sic654 (50A)) and have very similar radiators yet have so much difference in your test?
Why the hell they charge so much for these days? My God! Most of them are absolute garbage. Huge thanks to Hardware Unboxed for raising public awareness.
LMAO
seriously the price of am5 boards is so fucking insane, i just went to am4 instead and got a 5800x3d even for a build i did just a month ago, and my other builds are 5950x, theres like zero reason to get am5 until the boards are not expensive as shit lol!
@@curryking1same here. I doubt we are alone in this
That's the doubleedged sword of capitalism : people are very quick to cry, shout and moan "mUh eViL cOrPoRaTiOnS" when in fact, the only thing a corporation does is selling products or services, and THEY HAVE TO SELL if they want to stay solvant. So if people want lower prices, they just have to stop buying.
You can stay indifferent longer than they can stay solvent, don't forget that.
@@curryking1 Absolutely delusional. A good AM4 board still runs well over 200$ at which point you can get a perfectly good x670 board for the same price. Secondly, even a ryzen 7600 beats a 5800x3d at gaming, everything else is just massively downhill from there. The boards in this video are like 100 bucks, that's about on par with the cheapest crappiest motherboards of any generation prior, what exactly are you expecting?
I can’t tell you how valuable these videos are for system builders. Nobody else does it as well as HUB.
yeah really nice to have those, although it's really guessable if you know the specs and vrm designs of those mobos
@@julfy_godwhat the fuck is a vrm design bro
@@wheezel55 basically, if the vrm is trash your CPU will be unstable and have reduced performance. you see those metal cubes around your CPU on the motherboard? those are vrms and the more of those cubes you have the better the ''vrm design'' is.
the types of boards that you see in pre builts described as top end
High-End / Premium parts 😂
"gaming PC!!!!1!! 64GB RAM, i7 (has i7 2600), Nvidia (GT710)!!!1!, 4TB SSD!!! Only $999!!!"
@@GewelReal That's way too much detail for a prebuilt ad
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@@Flashv28 military grade parts, lol
I love how this video is sponsored by MSI and yet Steve is clowning on them throughout 😂
I know this might be seen as some sort of win but it's still marketing. Sans proper boycott, do you know how companies truly lose? When people forget they exist and don't shop from them anymore.
@@BleedForTheWorld all these companies do something wrong. if u want to let them die then u would have to give up gaming altogether.
@@Dark.Syndicate truly
@@BleedForTheWorld
no people need to find their spine and make companies hurt in the only way they understand, money.
nothing will get better as long as people are spineless and wont hold anyone/thing to account. it's just going to get worse overtime and the longer this goes on for, the longer it's going to take to fix.
It does show MSI don't play childish blacklist games and are still willing to work with creators, even on content that leans negative to them.
This is what you should be wanting to see, not that infamous nvidia media blacklist garbage from a few years back.
Important to note that on many of these B650 Gigabyte boards you are unable to overclock/undervolt the CPU due to bios restrictions (as far as I know). A friend purchased a D3HP board and has been unable to tweak CPU voltage nor has he been able to use PBO2 for undervolting. This seems to be a common issue online. Unsure why Gigabyte would restrict even undervolting on these boards. FYI Make sure to look into BIOS capability before purchasing.
EDIT: Please take this with a grain of salt, but a user posted their correspondence with GIGABYTE support where these GIGABYTE models were said not to support overclocking. Extremely disappointing that I had to dig for this information as it wasn't readily available:
-B650 UD AC
-B650M D3HP
-B650M D3HP AX
-B650M C V2
-B650M Gaming Wifi
-B650M D2H
-B650M S2H
-B650M H
what kind of wording do i specifically need to look for because these snakey manufacturers hide it well.
@@H786... i think the best is to search a specific mobo you're interested in and see if any reviews are able to go in bios and do all sorts of stuff like undervolt/overclock just so you have an idea on that specific board before buying i think that would help quite alot
Please mention mobo model number
Go for aorus for oc
Not buying a gigabyte product ever then
Absolutely no one.
HU Steve:
Gets paid by MSI as a video sponsor.
Continues to thrash MSI motherboards in the same video.
Very professional and pro consumer honesty.
Thanks Steve. Love your work.
Such an effort to review and stress test a heap load of motherboards like that.
yeah good point
You have to admire the MSI as well though.
They knew this was gonna happen and they did it anyways.
no not at all they should make better products 🙂 @@GameslordXY
Continues to thrash MSI Motherboard FIRST and foremost.
Goddam, was waiting for the Mobo King, since he announced it on the podcast.
Great, as expected.
MOBO King.... you mean the channel Actually Overclocking...
Hes litteraly the king nerd of all MOBO
if you have not seen his stuff, check it out
@@fepethepenguin8287you're talking about the guy that Overclocks everything, including his hair and fake american accent? 😂
@@scroopynooperz9051 huh
No he don't show his face
Actually hard-core overclockig is the channel
@@scroopynooperz9051 Super weird take on your end but he lives in the UK lol, that's why his accent is a bit odd. IIRC he moved to the UK when he was younger so he has kind of a hybrid accent.
Last year I bought the MSI B650M-A with your advice, and I'm pretty happy with it! It actually has a one click PBO profile that decreased my 7600X's temps about 12 degrees and it's power usage about 30 watts all while maintaining 5.45 GHz all cores and not a single crash ever since!!! for a couple of clicks, that is AWESOME!!
I have the same motherboard and almost the same CPU (7600). These two products were a great deal when I bought them and are delivering impressive performance at low temperatures.
Cheers!
i’m looking to buy this mobo, do you know how long it takes to charge your phone using the 10gb port?
I have the same board, how did you do this?
But can it run a 7950x at full boost for hours on end, as that's the only true mark of quality according to this video.
I bought a B650M Pro RS thinking it was the same as the one tested here the last time. I didn't know how wrong I was, but all things considered it's not a bad motherboard.
The problem was availability and price in my region. Back when I built my PC even the trashiest B650 models didn't cost less than 170 euros. I ended up paying 140 for my Pro RS.
so Tim is marketing MSI monitors while Steve rips MSI for misleading marketing on motherboards :)
good, unbiased HWUB W
@@RogerkonijntjeIndeed. Shocking that a company can be good at one thing, but bad at others. It's almost like they have different groups within said company that have different levels of competency!
@@benjaminoechsli1941 true
@@benjaminoechsli1941 MSI isn't bad at making motherboards by any means. They can produce good boards at decent prices (they've done it before) so this product launch is deliberate, and I'm sure most of these boards will end up at third world countries where costumers aren't informed enough or don't have the means to be so.
MSI isn't omnipresent nor is their QC from one product applicable to an utterly separate entity. Putting MSI on blast for their motherboards while also praising when they make good monitors, is what actual non-bias is.
If you're trying to imply that blasting their motherboards means they should be hating monitors too, then you are clueless.
Most interesting motherboard review I've seen in a while.
To be fair, not many places seem to review motherboards these days, and this round up offers up heaps of data.
Great video! Love the work, thanks Steve!!
If we stop buying they will reduce prices. The price-to-performance gains don't seem to justify the price inflation over the last decade or so.
Just stop buying them with the objective that they never make those crappy handicapped models ever again.
@@Splarkszter A lot of us already do that but unless it's the majority or a huge portion of customers also doing it then we won't see change.
who is we? the people commenting on a youtube tech channel? that represent less than 0.5% of the market?
Here in the Philippines, most of the $100-135 boards in this vid are minimum $175 lol There's barely any b550m boards at the $100-135 price range. What a terrible time to build/upgrade your PC
That idea didn't work for Graphics Cards.
Some of those temps are even more alarming when you consider that the Arctic Liquid cooler is blowing air directly at the VRMs. If you're using any other AIO there's going to be little to no air moving across them. If the budget boards are this bad you can't easily claim you can get AM5 boards for as low as $120 unless you're shopping very carefully. Thanks for the heads up Steve.
In Brazil they charge a very high premium for boards with integrated WiFi and Bluetooth. It would be awesome a benchmark for WiFi adapters that would also include a comparison between integrated top mobo, pci adapter and usb adapters. Average speed, range/distance from router capability
Sorry, but I'd rather fix bent pins than benchmark WiFi adapters.
@@Hardwareunboxed agree, WIFI is an absolute pain
Just buy pcie adapters that are wifi 6E or better. That also include decent antenas.
@@potatoes5829 Yeah. It's cool to have but ethernet is the way to go imo.
@@Splarkszter this is also an option
If you're building an entry-level AM5 system today with plans to upgrade as AM5 CPUs evolve, spend your money on the motherboard and the PSU. If you cheap out on either one, you'll regret it.
Needing 200w+ delivered to the cpu is kind of niche usage. Most people will never need that even if they upgrade on am5. Especially as ryzen are rather efficient even on the high end (7900, 7950x3d).
No need to overspend. A mobo like the decent b650m asrock one is fine for most for the next 8 years. If most people would actually buy only what they need, there would be less complaints about high prices and also we might also see prices drop.
But people like to overspend money and complain about it as if they were forced to.
Of course, if you use your PC for heavy workloads (not gaming), you'd better buy a mid range 200$ b650 one to be safe.
@@PalaC1 Nobody knows, not only do we have zen 5 coming, but zen 6, perhaps zen 6 doubles the core count and does something about the thick IHS, like raising the cpu up like intel did with the i9 7980x3 skylake-x series with a second pcb under the IHS to get the core closer to the surface. If AMD did this, they could push zen 6 with 32 cores to 300-400w like intel is doing. Who knows, intel may come out with something competitive and AMD may be forced to chase higher power like intel has.
@@PineyJustice Zen 5 is already confirmed to be an 8-core CCD. So, you can expect the 3D chip to have the same or lower TDP than 7800X3D, so if you're on the budget, this cheap motherboards would be enough for the foreseeable future upgrade.
@@807800 I said zen 6, not 5. In 20 years of building computers and helping people fix them, I don't think a single time have I ever seen someone happy they cheaped out on their motherboard or psu. To go from the very cheapest mobo and psu to good stuff, we're talking like an extra 100-150$ here, save up a little longer since these parts last multiple generations.
If you are buying a $100 mobo you are not normally overclocking.
Bought a B650M-HDV/M.2 based on your recommendation, very happy with it.
Does PBO Work?
@@Flashv28ofc
Do you use rgb? I red it doesn’t have rgb headers
Which cpu are you using?
@@knightlydude777 I do through my case's rgb controller, not having RGB header is imo the main issue with the board (if you care about that of course)
I'm happy to be typing this on my pc upgrade to a 5800x3d with MAG B550 Tomahawk Max WiFi about 2 weeks ago.
Nice
I've had a 5800X3D on an MSI B550A-Pro for about two years. Great VRM. I think I paid $100 for the mobo. Granted, I had to add a WiFi 6 PCI board, which added about $40 to the cost. But it's been a rock solid combination. It's almost criminal that these poorly designed B650 boards even exist.
Tomahawk b650 any good?
This is the board I currently bought 2 days ago. Works fine for me and it's not in this video. That means it's a decent good board right? Lol
nah 5800x3d is a dead cpu
Never undersestimate the importance of quality MB review ;) just missing a single "M" letter in the naming can make a HUGE difference ;) Keep up the good work folks!
Yeah. It is disgusting that manufacturers do that.
The "M" is in 99% of the cases just a designator for microATX. Only difference here is that some manufacturers have chosen to make a microATX version with the same name as the fullsized one, but nerfing the VRM to the point where you wouldn't want to use the board for anything faster than a mid-range CPU (7700/7800X3D). That said whoever buys a 7950X and sticks it on a super-budget board probably should look into a different hobby anyway...
It's actually a terrible motherboard review. The only thing reviewed is the VRMs in a way that no sane user would ever use them. How about testing them with say a 7600 or a 7800x3d and reviewing the actual features rather than torture testing them for hours with a 16 core cpu that costs 600$ in a 100$ motherboard.
@@Knaeckebrotsaege "mid range cpu" then proceed to list the fastest gaming cpu on the planet. But that's what these boards are for, running a 7500f-7700x or a x3d chip. They're low end b650 boards, everyone forgets a620 is a thing, these are just a620 boards with extra features. Just like some x670 boards are b650 tier quality with the extra x670 features.
@@PineyJusticeI use 5700x3d on a b350 perfectly. It makes sense to test the worst case scenario.
The thing is, there are 4 different versions of Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX.
V1.0/1.1 have a Twin 14+2+1 Digital VRM Design, 70A Smart Power Stage, and AMD Wi-Fi 6E RZ616 PCB rev. 1.0/Intel Wi-Fi 6E AX210 PCB rev. 1.1
V1.2 have a Twin 14+2+1 Digital VRM Design, 70A Smart Power Stage, and Realtek Wi-Fi 6E RTL8852CE
V2.0 have a Twin 12+2+2 Phases Digital VRM Solution, and Realtek Wi-Fi 6E RTL8852CE
I can only find V2.0 new to buy now.
yeah is a shame
Gold standard of MB reviews! Thank you for the effort!
It's just as important that you show us the bad products - the ones to avoid - as the good ones. Well done!
Are they bad though? We're seeing these boards being used in a way that they were never designed to be and many of them still passed. Do you think that we'd be seeing these results in a gaming build with an R5-7600 or R7-7800X3D? I sure don't. I think that these boards would most likely be ideal for gamers, especially with their low prices.
@@AvroBellow The boards were tested in the ways they claimed they could be used.
@@QuentinStephens None of them claimed they were specifically for running a 7950x, which they all did run with just fine. There is zero review on any features or quality aside from can the VRMs run a cpu that no sane user would ever put in this board.
@@QuentinStephens Also, particularly with budget offerings, these are running a b650 chipset, not the budget a620 chipset, making this a low end product made of midrange parts, compromises have definitely been made to hit this lower pricepoint, if that compromise wasn't in the VRMs, where was it?
@@AvroBellow You nailed it. These boards are bought and used with Ryzen 5 or max. 7. Not R9. To really give useful information to the audience these boards should have been tested with those CPUs and and mainly in gaming. This is what these boards are mainly bought and used for. This would have been very good information for the buyers. This review has very little value to anyone.
I truly appreciate the work you put into these motherboard reviews. I refer to them often when building new systems. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to excellent content.
The "C" suffixed boards are usually built to the standards of the California Energy Commission's "high expandability" category. AsRock made a B550-C that also had a boatload of PCIe slots, for example.
I'd thought C letter in the Gigabyte board was for Crypto stuff lol. 😅
It's C for crypto (able to connect a ton of GPUs via risers, while sacrificing other features like LAN etc), nothing to do with california, but of course FUD like that gets upvoted to the moon... smfh
Can I just say that the rating is fokking stupid, one PHYISCAL (not electrical) PCIE x16 slot gets 75 points....SEVEN TIMES the rating of one M.2 slot....despite more than one x16 slot rarely being useful in any end-user context.
You usually have one GPU, and the only other thing that I can think off is a card on which you place multiple NVME SSDs, which is something only run in HEDT systems for people that work with their pcs. Not something a typical home end-user does.
A good expandability Layout for an end-user PC would be:
1 PCIE x16 slot
1 or 2 x4 slots (useful for say a 10G LAN card or a SATA extension card, or a card for one or two M.2 drives)
2 PCIE x4 slots (useful for a soundcard or an SATA extension card)
(all spaced to be useable with a 3-4 slot Graphics card. and all electrical not just physical PCIE slots.)
At least 2 M.2 slots for storage, better 3 or 4.
4 SATA ports, after all one still might need HDDs or some older SATA SSDs.
4 RAM slots No compromises, two slot boards are stupid!
decent oboard sound
at least 2.5G LAN, better 10G.
Optionally WLAN.
3-4 USB 2.0 slots for input devices, 4 USB 3.0 for various devices, 2 USB 3.1 for quick storage, 1-2 USB 3.2 for even quicker storage.
1-2 USB 4.0
Good VRM, no shitty ones.
Two-digit error/fault code display. That should be MANDATORY for easy error diagnosis.
Dual Bios, so the board is not bricked if the BIOS/UEFI goes wrong.
That is a current config, further technologies like optilink to be added as they become available to the end user.
I have an MSI X570S Carbon Max Wifi and if I only calculate the PCIE slots and the M.2 slots I get 335 points, 455 if I add the SATA to the mix. But with only 4 physical not electrical PCIE slots and one M.2 you can almost match the much more useable config on my board.
The X570S has 2 PCIE x16 slots (waste as they either run 8x and 8x or 16 and x4 via the board and the second is deactivated if M2_3 is used with a PCIE NVME SSD), 2 PCie x1, 4 M.2 slots M-Key, 1 e-Key PCIE (WLAN), 4 memory banks, 8 SATA slots (halved to 4 if M2_4 is used). Add to that 2 USB 2.0, 4 USB 3.0, 2 USB 3.1, 1 USB 3.1 C-type, 1 2.5G LAN connector, onboard sound (don't use it, have a soundcard)
Politicians should shut the Fokk up and let us technicians write the standards!
Speaking as a PC repair tech.
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Then why did they mention it explicitly on both pages? You can check Asrock's website.
Would be nice to see similar test but with Ryzen 7500F, 7800X3D and 8700G APU
I was about to order my mobo for my new build and changed my decision based on this video. Thank you, great timing!
thank you for your quality work in calling out these products ... you guys are the best keep it up ❤
This channel makes the best motherboard videos, you haven't led me astray. I got an MSI X670-P Wifi last year because of your video.
Very helpful video, Hardware Unboxed. Thanks!
I'm running an ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F with a 7800X3D, and I am pleased with the combination.
What kind of RAM are you using?
Got the Same components with the corsair vengeance 2x16GB. Only problem is the yellow Ram LED stays lit and i cant get into BIOS. Does anyone have
a solution for this Problem?
11:42 where the vertically mounted m.2
Thank you very much for the in dept review!
In this and your latest B650 roundup I am missing the "MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI". I am using that in my system (cost was 185€) with a 7950X3D and 64GB 6000 Mhz Corsair Vengeance Ram. XMP and 6000 works no issues. System is stable also in Stress test.
However, benchmarks a bit below expected (around 5% or so). Bluetooth is wonky but the most annoying part is that the system takes forever to post. Restarting/Booting takes 1:25 and 1:44 Minutes respectively, which is insanely long and remind me back of the times where I had a super slow spinning HDD many years ago. It takes much longer than even my 7 year old potatoe PC, despite having a 50x faster drive (SN850X).
It's one thing to assume someone who spends the fuzz on a Ryzen 9 is not going to scrape the bottom when it comes to their MoBo , it's another thing entirely to tell them they CAN use the boards, or that they are a great choice. Of course, anyone who has been around this stuff for any length of time will tell you, it's nothing new...
Cheap boards can be good I used a 5900x with a B450 tomahawk max for a bit, and that board was only 50 euro.
The even more crazy thing here is that you used the Arctic LF3 AIO with a great VRM fan as well. Better than the older LF2 AIO.
damn those J650 boards, so problematic
B650???
@@fepethepenguin8287 it's a podcast reference
Yes, give us a J-series and... maybe a Q-series for the other company? boards for budget builders that don't mind a cheaply-built board because midrange and budget chips don't need something stronger.
G650 works better. Where G=garbage. 😅
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Do you one better, and it already exists. The A620 line. These are bottom tier boards using a midrange chipset, that's why they're fairly cheaply built.
this is also with the liquid freezer aio that has a vrm fan, so some of the ones that are close to throttling will do so with less airflow going over them.
Seems like only ASRock have put some serious effort on entry b650 boards.
Yup Asrock stepped up. Gigabyte sank.
Hi, was hoping you could test/go over the B650M GAMING PLUS WIFI. They mention 10+2+1 DUET RAIL POWER SYSTEM vrm design on their website but no other info. They're a little bit cheaper than the MSI Pro B650M-A WiFi in Australia hence I'm considering either of these 2.
Love independent reviews from you guys!
Your motherboard guides are so crucial for people building new systems. The sea of different motherboards, all with slightly different model names, is so confusing to navigate on my own. Your testing sorts out the best value motherboards very effectively, and can be easily referenced again later when prices change. Thanks for putting in this work!
Please do a breakdown of am5 itx!
Just got a bundle of B650M D3HP AX paired with ryzen 7600x and Radeon 7800xt. Looking forward to it
This is a great round up. Thank you for the work you all put into this!
time is o'clock
I would love to see idle power consumption measurements of boards as especially AM5 seems to differ extremely.
Some use gets 30 W with the H/M.2+ while another one with a different board gets 60 W. It's important to set the right buttons in the UEFI for best idle measurements. So we would need two different measurements for the best picture.
Just had a build with the asrock b650m pro rs wifi (7600x). Amazing board for the price tbh in europe.
Just updated the bios, turned on expo 6400mhz cl32 and selected the pbo on -20, 85c preset. Solid as a rock. Also performs like expected in cinebench. Kind of weird it lowers the power draw since it should be able to handle the full 200 ish watts like the other boards. Especially since voltage and frequency are the same.
Could have gone for the "much better on paper" asus b650 plus wifi but the stability on (lower end) asus boards isnt very trustworthy (stability overall and memory speed, every new bios is a lottery, even the wifi had problems with lots of people).
Another build with the asus x670e plus wifi is solid although a lot more expensive.
One could say, that AsRock is solid as rock.
Me too! Price on that board was really good in Canada. And it worked great for VFIO
I'm from Europe as well. In my place the B650 PRO RS Wi-Fi cost was outrageous. B650 PG Lightning ATX prices. I could choose only between crap-tier Asus B650 or ASRock A620M PRO RS. Happy with the second one.
Bro mind mobo has the same type, but if i do expo 6400mhz the vdd soc turned red on 1.300, how do u solve it? Do u have the same problem like me too?
I really hope you will response this
unfortunately the most important aspect of the video (for me) was not included: Ryzen 7600 and 7800X3D were not tested so we cannot verify the impact of the boards' crappiness. Your point is valid that it is inexcusable that they advertise support for Ryzen 9 170W parts while not delivering it, but realistically for me and most of your audience, I want to know if I can have peace of mind with regards to choosing mobos for a 7600 or 7800X3D that I might buy. Based on the video I did not learn that information so I still don't know if I would be fine with a $150 mobo or if I really need to go to the 200-300 range just so I can stay clear of issues. I know it is a lot of extra testing to test more processors but that data would be very valuable for everyone
Your videos are very helpful for purchasing B650 board, thank you.
Monitor Tim and Motherboard Steve - what a team!
I was about to purchase the Gigabyte B650M Gaming WiFi. Thanks for saving my money 👍🏻
Just stay away from Gigabyte forever 😂
Shit software, slow updates, mid hardware, oblivious support team
Congrats on 1Mil. You guys deserve every bit of your success.
Thx for your work guys!
I really dont understand why so many sleep on asrock boards. I currently have 2 systems with ASRock MB and they both just run perfectly. The ASRock B650E Phantom Gaming Riptide WiFi is paired with my wifes 7700X and my 7800X3D sits on a B650I Lightning WiFi and it works like a charm. I dont know why there are so few tests about the B650I.
I would've given you a huge hug if I was still in ASRock, nevertheless I'm happy that you're happy with ASRock products.
Riptide is a good motherboard that's what I have
Probably because they have a history with cheap, very low quality products. It is good thing that they have improved but if you look like 5-10 years back all the worst (big brand) MBs on the market were Asrock models. And yes, they were horrid and the quality was poor. It is very hard and time consuming to gain good reputation but it is very easy to loose it very quickly and that is what Asrock did just a few years ago.
What about b650mt ASRock
These board are not meant for even Ryzen 7 despite all absurd claims by manufacturers. But not that bad for Ryzen 3/5. Pricing for most would drop to near 100$ in couple of months.
What about Eagle AX from Gigabyte?
It's a $180 US board. I hope it's good.
@@Hardwareunboxed I've been using it in my new PC for ~2 months. but the fact it uses 1Gbps LAN makes me feel weird, even though I will never use this speed. (its $155 for me)
Why are there so many MATX AMD boards compared to Intel?
Superb content .thx for the hard work 🥰
If I'm choosing a motherboard, how can I find out which one is garbage and which isn't? Listed Features/expansion aside, should I look at the size of the VRM heatsink? Without independent testing it's impossible to make the right choice confidently
You commented under a 30min video of detailed information on 15 B650/B650M Boards.
There are a lot of chapters to choose and get the information you are looking for in a timely matter.
All of this information is free and always available.
Steve did probably spend 60+ hours to make this comparison & there is the older B650 MoBo roundup with a very similar methodology.
What I'm trying to say: You've got the all the information about current boards in 2 videos + several other channels/websites tested some boards aswell and you're still complaining about "Independent testing"?
Heatsink can be fixed by the user.
The actual vrm is more important to know
Like and comment to support the video. Thank you for your motherboards test. They are the most extensive reviews for sure.
I never realised you hadn't reviewed the B650M Pro RS. Its already highly recommended the last view months on Reddit in various PCbuilding subs.
The HDV/M.2 remains the budget king. What would be the first budget choice if you need wifi? Or should we kinda buy our own wiif module and insert into the HDV/M.2?
If you absolutely need wifi, I would buy the hdv/m.2 and add your own wifi chip.
The new AMD motherboards come with the mediatek/amd mt7921 chip (marketing name: rz608/rz616) which is awful. I personally find intel wifi chips to work most reliably (tho make sure you get a PCIE version, and also an antenna).
That being said, in my experience even a gigabit ethernet connection will be a far nicer experience than even the nicest wifi chipset (especially in terms of reliability).
@@potatoes5829 oh I'm with you.. I'm on cable myself but get asked about wifi parts very often.
Also I don't know about reliability I guess? And then buy antennas extras, or does the HDV/m.2 comes with antennas? (I know it has the connections)
So I'd add something like a AX210
@@DDHDTV some wifi chips come with the antennas
I believe it would be something like "ax200 desktop kit"
or you could buy the antennas separately
Asrock are still blacklisting any reviews who call them out on their bullshit so no buildzoid or hardware unboxed.
Thank you for the old school content!
I'm glad I have a Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX Version 1.2(the version is very important for this board). Thanks for validating my purchase.
Yes the version is important. Because Gigabyte downgraded the PCB to only 6 layers compared to 8 on the V1 but priced the same
Just shitty Gigabyte things 😊
@@UnluckyDominooof
Imagine what happens with the Mini ITX versions....
6:08 They use one of M2 slots to slot in M2 WiFi and route the cable. It's not on board WiFi. Thats looks bad.
crapy crap ! You're the best for this kind of review ! We need this kind of motherboard review, thank a lot for your work.
Was looking to move to AM5 this year, but I'm on the SFF side. Guess too much to hope for that there would be more ITX mobo options *shrug*
Couple things. (1) Anyone too cash strapped to buy a MB costing more than $100, probably isn't going to upgrade to a future Ryzen 9 tier CPU (this is a nothing burger). (2) ~$100 tier MB have always been known for being CRAP! Of course they come with feature limitations
Damn, my pro rs is in garbage tier? Sad 😢
Thanks Steve. Love ya work
22:30 says "1 hour cinebench 2024" should probably say "cinebench single cold run" ?
To note, Gigabyte also released quietly refreshes of Aorus B650 Elite AX (and non AX) called Aorus B650 Elite AX (non AX) V2, with the PCB nerfed to 6 layers and the board cost pretty much the same... 🤨
@@vdis i don’t know, noticed few days ago when i wanted to get one and was out of stock, then the v2 appeared in my country.
interesting, good thing I got mine a year ago
😮😮
@@kingplunger1 mee too, very happy with it.
Uhh…I hate having to try to figure out if a MB is actually good. So few reviews on MB. Thank you HUB for your excellent work!
Arguably better to review the trash than the best. Great job Steve!
5:06 Damn it's been awhile since I've seen those old mkb hookups! Do they even still sell models without usb anymore?
I usually buy cheap crap tier boards since I don't tax my components much, but it would be cool if prices these days reflect the quality :(
The unit of measurment for power is W noch w.
Units that are derived from peoples names are in capital letters.
So MHz is correct because hertz it is named after Heinrich Hertz. Watt is named after James Watt so it is 146W.
Same for Volts, 1.087V because it is named after Alessandro Volta.
Thanks for the lesson, we know, it was a small mistake that we don't often make.
I'm happy with the *Asrock B650M PG Lightning* . I'm using it with a 7800X3D and DDR5 7000. System booted fine first try. This board also has 3 ports M.2 storage and an extra port for wifi
Better than hdv m2?
@@aaroufit HDV-M2 vs PG Lightening
M.2 sockets 1 vs 3
Rear USB ports 7 vs 8
Power phases 11 vs 9.
Seems like HDV would be better for more powerful overclockable CPU's. Personally I'm a fan of having many M.2 ports
Any recommendations?
Guys a heads up for new users, if you want to run XMP ram speeds on your new DDR5 motherboards you much use just 2 sticks of Ram. Do not buy 4 sticks due to a sale or something and expect to run XMP speeds it is extremely unlikely to work.
All the best
Damo
The MSI B650M-B is available at the bigger Australian retailers. With currency conversion all the big name stores sell it at US$102.
seriously the price of am5 boards is so fucking insane, i just went to am4 instead and got a 5800x3d even for a build i did just a month ago, and my other builds are 5950x, theres like zero reason to get am5 until the boards are not expensive as shit lol!
Hi Steve! Hope you're doing well! @21:36 it got me wondering. Could the lower performance on some of the B650 boards be the reason only for the CPUs which are higher core count such as the 7900X and 7950X? What if the performance on all these boards are extremely close to each other with more budget oriented CPUs like the R5 7600? Maybe these brands are indirectly telling people to spend more on motherboards if they are using higher core count CPUs? While Giga is the worst, it is also the best in the charts here. Please lmk what you think.
boy i dodged a bullet. i'm glad i spent the extra money and got the b650 aorus elite ax instead of the gaming wifi for my 7800x3d. thanks for your work in testing these boards.
I spent the extra for that board too. The specs on the budget boards were a bit too budget for my tastes 😂
Thats also the board I went with
You think its worth it? In the same predicament ordering parts for my pc after not upgrading for a long time.
@@sleeppppp yeah do not go cheap when it comes to am5 boards
@sleeppppp I got the aorus elite ax. Nice board for sure.
The b650m pro rs is pretty decent. It's literally a clone of the hdv with more I/O, rgb headers, fan headers and different pcie layout. Besides that it's literally the same vrm as the hdv and it's usually ahout 10-15 dollars more expensive.
Just 5 Hours ago i was looking at some B650 Boards for next Upgrade, good timing!
I have settlet for these two but ill wait for Price reduction and Updates for next Gen Support! (If it will happen)
Asrock B650E Taichi Lite
ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI
Get x670 boards. Highly recommended.
Asus x670 prime WiFi is good. Buy whichever. But I'd avoid all b650 boards.
@@ralphwarom2514 The Asrock has incredible Vram idk why its branded as B650 at this Point its literally better than alot of x670s..
@@ralphwarom2514 X670 is just B650 with another promontory chipset.
4 lanes come in.... 4 lanes go out, its a daisy chain like a USB hub in 2005.
B650 still gets 2x NVME from the CPU (potentially PCIE5) plus another NVME from the chipset which is enough for most people.
Even if you get an X670 with 2x NVME from the chipset.. they're still both connected to the cpu by pcie4 x4 downlink.
Thank you, I now put the ASRock B650 PG Lightning (ATX) on my to-buy-list for future upgrades. Nice.
It's very insulting to me that almost all big UA-cam tech channels are not doing motherboards reviews anymore.
Even the ones that are called ffin "Gamers Nexus" you don't need to have a motherboard for gaming? Just endless of PC cases???
I am utterly annoyed and Hardware Unboxed is keep the standard high for all of them!
This type of information is hard to come by. Thank you for bringing us quality content.
So you're sponsored by ASUS eh?
Emotional damage!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Six years ago I got AsRock b360 Pro board you recommended. This year I getting new PC, and I'm definitely pick stuff from your recommendation list.
Between the top three ASrock, which is the better choice? Does the temp and score at 18:40 make the deciding factor?
@Hardwareunboxed still dont know which boards are ok. In the final thoughts or conclusion you never specify which ones to get nor do you completely list the ones not to get
thumbs down for no clear result
At 28:40, I can't tell if you meant to say "AMD" instead of "Intel." If you meant to say mobos for Intel chips also have these issues, would've been nice to more clearly emphasize that.
Happy to see ASRock returning to their rightful place as the cheap board kings.
Of course with AM5, they're also the value high-end board kings (B650E Taichi Lite).
It was a rough couple generations for ASRock.
The main problem is that AM5/LGA1700 socket is combined desktop and hedt, so there are differrent boards for 16 core cpu and 4 core. 7950 requires X chipset board
I've been happy with my MSI MPG B650 EDGE WIFI motherboard build. It's a step-up from their MAG TOMAHAWK WIFI B650 board, which is also a pretty good motherboard (I used the B450 version of it back in the day on my 3700X build).
Today, I mounted my new gaming PC, an ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 and a Ryzen 7800X3D.
I will do my tests tomorrow to see how it works and if the VRM are sufficient to hold the 7800X3D to the maximum of its possibilities, while being cooled by an AIO Eisbaer 240 and an AIO Eiswolf 360 GPU, all in loop. Thx
Can i ask how the temperature of cpu and mainboard ?
@@nguyenmanhhiep2465 45°C Idle and 65°C Max after +3 hours of gaming with 80%/100% used CPU and my room is 25°C
Great work Steve! However, i was hoping there is a mini ITX board comparison in this Video.
Love your doing this, thanks. This is really helping the community. I did follow your last round of advice, and ended up with an Asus board that is screaming, as in coil whine. I would love if you made your testing methodology to be able to run these boards at load and in idle, with hardly any fan and pump noise, and if you could report on the coil whine. I use the hdv/m.2 as well, and it is dead silent. That means, that since I lucked out and found a 3060 with no whine, my system is now virtually silent, even at full throttle, when air cooled. I actually need to check if the fans are spinning, to tell if it is on or not, as there is no other way to know.
I know you don't tend to point it out, but basically all the users I interact with, need WIFI. Again, the hdv/m.2 support this, if you get like a Intel solution for it. Some of the boards at hand, do not really support WIFI, unless you want to block the airflow of your GPU, and some really do not support it at all. Sure I can figure this out on my own, but this is a feature in higher demand among all the users I face, than what you do in your reviews.
Again, I love your doing this, but if you could test these in under real and silent solutions for coil whine, I would really appreciate it.
Those who want to know
dead silent (r7 7700): Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2
moderate whine, particularly at idle (all cpus): Asus TUF GAMING B650M-PLUS WIFI
thank you for motherboard reviews, almost no one make this information so much structural
130$ was high end motherboard money not that long ago. what happened
There is a little more than wattage to judge whether a board is good or not lol. Why would anyone pair such a CPU with that mainboard. How can you say a board is trash when you oversize the CPU lol. If there is only one 8-Pin connector everyone should know this is not meant for high end CPUs. Pair these board with a 7500F and you're in the range of what people would actually do.
How does b650m pg lightning and b650m h/m.2+ share exactly the same VRM config (6x sic654 (50A)) and have very similar radiators yet have so much difference in your test?
This was very very useful for me while picking up a B650M for my R7 7700... Keep creating mind blowing content like this!! Good work mate!
To be fair though you wouldn’t pair these boards with high end CPU such as the 7950x or any cpu with a TDP of 170 watts.