This Hardwood Installs Easier Than Vinyl Flooring
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2021
- Today I'm installing click-lock engineered hardwood flooring in my bedroom. The best part? It's even easier to work with than vinyl! Follow along to learn all my tips and tricks for how to get professional results without giving yourself a headache. To purchase this flooring click SHOW MORE!
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Step 1 Screw Down The Floor - 3:39
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This video sold me on the flooring and I have since done lots of research that many may find helpful.
The manufacturer is WellMade and was originally made in China but is now being made in Georgia as well. A good article on the person who developed this is a Feb. 7, 2022, article in FCNews.
The product is privately labeled and different sellers use different names for the product line, color/finish, etc., but the same pictures and sometimes the same verbiage to describe it. It always come with 16.68 sq ft per box.
It is 7 mm thick, 5" wide, and up to 4' long. It has a urethane/aluminium oxide finish. The wear layer / veneer (wood) is 1.2 mm (47.2 mil), the core is 5.8 mm (HDPC = high density polymer composite, which I believe is the same as SPC = stone polymer composite). The attached vinyl padding (I would call it rubber) is 1.0 mm.
Jeff's link takes you to wayfair (Islander Flooring line). Other sellers that I found are
- Home Depot (Optiwood line)
- BuildDirect (Jasper/Varuna line)
- Wallmart (Pacific Crest line)
- Costco (Golden Arowana line)
I have ordered samples from three of these sellers--they all have WellMade stamped into the attached padding/underlayment and the samples are all the same size.
The color/wood/finish I have chosen is called honeycomb, countryside, sunglow, or frontier, depending on the seller (often given the number 71106). It is currently cheapest at Home Depot. I haven't bought mine yet--don't plan to install it until next year and plan to use it both in the basement (about 700 sq ft) and main level (about 511 sq ft). I looked into using a 6 mil moisture/vapor barrier and/or an additional separate underlayment (not sure I would call it a pad). Although several people say not to use an underlayment because one is already attached, there are some separate underlayments (rather hard and thin) that are made to go with such floors with attached pads. The risk of certain secondary underlayments would be too much give, which may cause the locking connection between the planks to wear down when the floor is walked on. I think Abatec that Jeff recommends (1.5 mm thick) is a good choice, as is Quietwalk by MP Global (2 mm). I think adding a 6 mil vapor barrier to a separate underlayment would be overkill. The advantage of one of these two separate underlayments would be sound deadening and thermal insulation, in addition to being a moisture barrier. One think several people recommend is using a PE backer rod (a spongey long thing with a circular crosssection, maybe 3/8" diameter) around the edges the rooms (where one would use spacers during the installation), topped with silicone caulk--I don't think Jeff talks about this and I'm not convinced it is worth it, except maybe in a kitchen or bathroom. This edging would allow the expansion/contraction of the floating floor but would attempt to prevent water going in along the edges (e.g., under the molding) and soak in/under the flooring.
Great info! Thanks. Did you end up going with this? I'm looking at engineered wood for my 1000sqft basement in Illinois. I'm considering this as the labor should be much cheaper given the ease of installation.
Thanks for taking the time to film this for us. It would always be easier just to do the job, but taking the time to film, explain and walk us through makes a world of difference for people like myself.
Whaaat! I was looking for this kind of product everywhere. Wood, no nails and glue and bang, you bring that up! Thanks Jeff !
I've been researching flooring for over a year and narrowed it down to hardwood or porcelain. I was on the verge of going with porcelain until I saw this video tonight. Now I'm off to researching engineered hardwood. I've been a fan for over two years and am so grateful to you for all of the invaluable knowledge you've shared. If I was near you, I'd hire you to remodel my entire house.
In our Net Ops Center we are all nerds who often chat about upcoming home projects. You are the guy who keeps coming up as how we learn to do any of them. Your videos are much appreciated - keep 'em coming!
Love the tip to get the main square footage done before details. I do that all the time. Especially when working with other guys, keeps the work flow going.
So true!
I’ve watched many many of your videos and from watching you and how you explain things gave me more of an understanding of modern building materials to the point where I added a large bathroom to my house!! Yep” Jackhammer the floor ran all of the drainage did all of the drywall ran all of the pex’s and did the shower bathtub kit and Vanity and toilet and did all drywall and paint AND a click lock floor design for bathrooms. Sir’ you the MAN 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 thank you
Glad to help! Cheers!
Jeff...love the “how to” videos! Thanks for bringing this one to us. Cheers from Orlando!
My pleasure! Cheers Bob!
The Mrs renovision was a nice touch. I like project I can do with my Mrs too!
Cheers Phillip!
Thanks for this video, Jeff! I am sold and will be installing this product when the time comes. Also, thanks for keeping us in the loop down here in the U.S.!
Cheers Tom, Happy to help!
5 billion likes Love how you teach first and foremost and I really love how informative al your videos are thanks again for another wonderful lesson.
Great product. Thanks for showing us. Looks awesome! And it protects the pine flooring underneath. It's a win, win!
You bet!
This is so amazing. You make it look so easy
Jeff, my wife and I are obsessed (in a non creepy way) with your channel. We've learned so much from you and want to thank you... flooring just so happens to be our next project.
Wow, thanks! Cheers Jon!
Jeff, I'm gonna install 480 sq ft of flooring in my basement as I finish it. You've continually vectored me through my projects over the last year... Love the lights from Vega... seems like I should trust you on the floor too... I like the idea of this over the other products.
Thanks for your videos and tutorials! It gives a lot of encouragement to a lay man like me who had never held a drill before! :)
After trying a dozen of vinyl samples, went with engineered hard wood (white oak). The main reason was the feel and look that i got from hardwood, and like you said, high end vinyl products could cost the same and hard wood! I guess vinyl would be good for basement projects where humidity or water could be an issue. Thanks for all your valuable recommendations.
we are going to start this project soon. great info. ( as always !)
I used a different manufactured wood product, though it was quite similar. When sliding a locked board in place you can use a small cut board (sacrificial piece) to tap it into place. No gaps and you don't risk breaking the end locking mechanism.
The hard wood looks great. About to put down vinyl plank floor in my kitchen. One of the reasons that I'm using plank, is because my father in law owned his own business. He gave me the flooring. Can't beat free. I will have a question later about back flash splash. Keep up the good work and thanks.
This video is a saver for future reference. Thank you.
Love this... doing this in my house.
I love your sense of humour!!
Installed Bruce engineered hardwood in my dining room about 15 years ago. The click lock was easy and it still looks great.
glad to hear it. Bruce is not known to make quality products.
The flooring in this video is out of stock, but here is a similar product you can purchase: www.jdoqocy.com/click-9148559-14545641
Here is a comparable underlayment, like most building materials the cost has gone up since we originally filmed this video, AbaTec Underlayment: homedepot.sjv.io/e40rZO
I have a room with linoleum tile that's adjacent to a bathroom and bedroom with hardwood. The timing of this video could not have been better. Definitely looking into this.
Great Job.perfect every time 👍👌
I like you You make me feel like I can actually do some of this stuff. I'm buying this tomorrow and getting rid of the $2200 worth of tile I bought I have old vinyl, you know vinyl is final. Wish me luck. I'm going to need it. Thanks.
Jeff everyone loves your videos - Just a pro tip a diyer would want to be very careful when floating floors to not make them so tight that you have to hammer them down a tight floor or pinched edge floor is going to buckle and/or gap, even a click lock. So when putting in baseboard also do make it so tight that it pinches the floor either. THANKS!
Many thanks, I love your video please keep up the good work!!!
Floor and Decor carries this for those in the States. Beautiful product, durable, and a breeze to install.
Good to know!
What brand is this?
Agree. What brand and color is this?? Thanks.
What's the brand name?
@@ephraimschmitt3106 Hickory Snow Engineered Hardwood
This guy covers everything. 👍🏼
Great tips esp when using the saws as well as that last row
Cheers!
When your wife appeared in the video, I gasped (coz I was surprised and didn't expect her to appear a long while after the start of video) and smiled! 😄😄😄 You both make such a great pair and, boyyy, she's hilarious!!! 😂😂😂 Her reaction after kissing you was so funny and adorable! The smile she had! It shows she loves you so dearly! My eyes started tearing 😆😆😆
I laughed so much!!! 😆😆😆And I really loved what you teached! I don't have a house, yet I loooovvveee learning about everything related to building and renovating them! Great knowledge that will come very handy one day! I can't thank you enough for teaching us all what you know! 💜
Cheers Roc!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Cheers to you and the Mrs!
Simply wow and thanks!
Glad you liked it! Cheers!
Hi Jeff, just joined as a member - you’ll see lots of questions from me in the forums about a 1905 miners cottage we’re remodelling :) I can’t see where one can buy this engineered hardwood. Checked your buyers club, website, even the forum!
Personally, I prefer the Vinyl flooring over this one. Love your channel and work. Thanks
Great stuff! Thanks.
I love engineered flooring. The best I’ve used so far is Kahrs made in Sweden. It’s 5/8” thick with an 1/8” wear layer. But the best part is that it has an end lock mechanism to keep the ends nice and tight. It’s called 5S click lock.
Good idea taking the door trim off and trimming it rather than going with oscillating saw which will produce a gap that cant really be avoided. Also good tip on screwing first row down. Last time I did a floor right towards the end I noticed it had moved about a inch. Luckily got it back in place. This stuff does look a lot nicer than laminate.
definitely!
If it’s difficult to flatten then planing the bead eases it. I used a jigsaw, workmate and clamps, and a sliding mitre saw. and a block plane. If you are sliding it under an obstacle like a toilet then you might need to but joint by cutting and planing off the click joint. Clamp boards before rip cutting.
I have been researching concrete flooring for my home. The floor is in such bad shape for when the house was built with paint and spray markers, and not to mention the glue from the vinyl tile that was applied directly to the concrete. It has been a pain. Now I'm having to consider resurfacing. Having a good quality floor is really important to me so this is a very appealing option.
I like to do the floors before doors and trim. A lot easier to hang a door than mess about with cutting around them and trying to make it look good.
Do you have to apply anything else to seal it like you would other hardwood products?
Yes i did used that in my whole new house 4 years ago. Previous house built 8 years ago was regular nailed hardwood, wayyyyyy easier with cliplock system. Nice trick for the end tips, didn't tought of cutting the lip. Was using prybar to move it and clip them.
One question, if one of my plank in the middle of the kitchen uncliped, what are my options? i have a 1/4 inch gap appearing over winters
thanks!
I was laying half inch engineered hardwood and some of the planks were a bit warped, so I set my circular saw to cut through about half the thickness and cut a series of cross cuts every 3-4 inches to allow the board to lay flat. Then I saw this product, and they did it already for you. And yes, pre-painting the door trim and baseboard and laying it on top of the floor after the flooring is down is the only way to go.
some folks think this is old tech...but they have no idea how much better this stuff is than that old engineered click.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Thanks. Was was looking for something like this a while back, but my job is done now. My only concern with a floating floor is that I can tell in about 3 steps if the floor is floating or not. It doesn't have that solid glued down or nailed down "thud" when walking on it. It is more of a give away when dogs walk on it with their clicking claws. I glued my engineered hardwood mainly because it was adjacent to tile set on a concrete slab and the tile is like rock. I didn't want that transition from sold rock feel to a hollow sound/feel. I'm happy with the results, but it was much slower and more labor intensive to glue it all down to the slab. I would definitely use your product in a condo or smaller house.
I want it installed in my house now !!!!!
Any tips on covering old tile? (Mid 60's, has some cracks and possible asbestos) I will gladly watch a video if you make one.
Love these videos, I have a few home reno projects and I have spent literally days watching your A-Z Videos lol
Loved it.
Nice video - thnx. I installed a similar product from Flooret - their Silvan Hardwood line (on line availability only). The finish is a bit more satin than other click floors so it doesn't have the sheen that vinyl floors have. Techniques fm this video were quite helpful. I have a hallway w doors on both sides left to do. It will be a long tedious day. :)
Your wife is a real trooper!
On a few of your earlier videos, you sold me on considering vinyl. Now im torn..LOL
Jeff, all of your videos are awesome, thank you. Wondering what you think of waterproof laminate vs. LVP vs. this engineered hardwood. I installed LVP in our last home a few years ago, but it scratched up easily and even buckled/cracked in some areas. We are buying a new home, and so I'm wondering if the waterproof laminate would be more durable. How's the water resistance of this engineered HW?
USA stills loves ya'll for helping our TEXAS
We will be there for anyone who needs us. Cheers!
Thank you for the video. With this type of installation how should I handle transition to the stears that go down?
Jeff is my idol!
Where can I get this flooring in Canada? I don't see any links here or in the membership page.
Glad to see you on TicTok 😊
Cheers!
Hey Jeff, think this would be good in a kitchen? Great video. Thanks!
Sounds like a perfect product for my project. I’m building a van mobile office wanting to use the same wood on the ceiling as the floor- while keeping accessibility for changes. How do we get this flooring in Colorado?
I have seen some videos of glue being placed on the subfloor then placing the hardwood. Which is better glue or insulation pad
Nice product
Hey Jeff
Love the channel! I'm really interested in this product but I'm curious how resilient it is compared to actual nail down engineered floor? We recently did our entire main floor with nail down engineered. Even wrestling with the dog on it doesn't scratch at all. We'd like to save a bit of money for the second floor but not at the cost of durability if ya know what I mean. Thanks!!
Hello Jeff. Loving your channel. Looking g at using a product like this. Using for a larger area and a kitchen. Do you recommend keeping it floating or using using a proper glue to secure it?
The board that gave your son trouble would have been easier if the seam wasn't in line with the doorjam (no matter how much planning something always puts up a fight lol) but if the seam was 2-3inches inside of doorway It would have been alot easier cus then scribe to fit the rest of the board and install with a pull bar ....dont mind my" backseat driver armchair contractoring comment I love your videos and channel you do amazing work and the way you teach is awesome!
And don't try to have it right against the bottom plate. There will be a layer of 1/2 inch drywall, and then baseboard, so they could easily leave a 1/2 inch gap.
I thought he was going to show SPC Hardwood, here in US In the last year or so Stone Core with a real hardwood layer that’s finished in an Oxide is just coming on the market. It’s a ACH (durability rating) is 3/5 with regular hardwood around 2. It’s also water resistant and due to the stone core has about 70% less expansion and contraction as wood based stuff.
Are there any brands you can suggest I look at?
I've been looking into getting the H2O proof planks that have the underlay part self adhesive, Purgo looking flooring planks to match the other part of my house.
This is awesome! All the "updated" houses here in the SouthEast of the US is with that cheap LVT - yuck!
I prefer bamboo snap flooring either Cali bamboo or morning star xd if installed right can be an good choice.
Jeff,
I can't even tell you how much time you've saved me fixing my house. I always check your video before I go anywhere else. So you have a refinishing hardwood floors video?? I pulled up me carpets in my new house and I need to send and refinish. If be great if you have a video covering that!
I actually have tried that a few times. I always refer to a pro for that job. too much learning curve to use the machines correctly and get a nice job. Cheers!
Jeff, thank you for your videos. Quick question, I need to put in 700 sf of flooring in the second floor of my house. This is a high end home and I want to make sure very little sound travels between floors (I watched your episodes on that.). Also, I want a quality natural long lasting wood flooring finish. I have bought the 2lb MLV for the upstairs, but I am having trouble finding out if I have to use a floating floor to go over it or if I can nail through the MLV into the new 3/4" OSB sub-flooring. I will have my flooring guys do this, but they don't have any experience with MLV, so I thought I would ask you. What is the highest quality flooring solution to use over MLV? I used your promo code to buy the MLV. Thanks again!
Thank you
Hey Jeff,
Once again very informative video. I am trying to install this kind of waterproof hardwood from homedepot. I have planked subfloor that was installed around 1955 .My current wood floor is squeaking a lot through out the house and I think that the 50 percent of the area in a room makes noise. Is there a way to install engineered hardwood over that old floor and eliminate the squeak ? or do you recommend removing the old wood floor, reinforce the subfloor and then install the new floor ?
your opinion is appreciated.
Thank you
Thanks Jeff for another great video. I would just like to know what the difference is between this hardwood floor and the other wood click locks of the past. Maybe I missed that. Thanks!!
The difference is the wide kerfs (channels cut across) on the underside. That gives the individual plank more flexibility, allowing it to handle undulations in the substrate better. You COULD do the same thing yourself with any hardwood flooring product, whether engineered or solid, but doing so would take a lot of time.
cool idea bringing your wife in to do some of the work, gives us mortals a feel on how to get it done too
26:17 and 27:12 😂 So good! lol
Another great video.
That is impressive for hardwood floor products. I would be interested in knowing how durable this engineered product is. I have a race car dog with nails who would be able to volunteer his time. Seriously, that wood flooring looks great and easier install.
I was wondering the same thing about durability. My dog loves to zoom around the house and skid to a stop
I'm stomping around on 1200 sqft of subfloor right now, trying to figure out the right flooring.
Trying to get the right product to match our "jacobean" doors that we just love.
I think this vid might have been very well timed, if I can get that flooring in Illinois.
What support does it require? 5/8" + 3/8" plywood good enough on 16" centers?
How does this click-lock hardwood compare to the water/scratch resistant laminates like Mohawk Revwood? I've used Revwod a couple times now and I'm very happy with its results even after a couple year's use, in both water resistance and scratch resistance.
I have to remove my existing hardwood and install this. Absolutely need this to get rid of squeaky floors.
Cheers and you can screw down the subfloor at the same time!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY time to re-watch the flooring video.
Thank you for your videos.....i am installing a stair skirt on carpeted stairs....its done but id like to see you do this or any stair skirt on finished stairs pleas
Would you recommend this for a house with pets? Or stick with vinyl for the wear resistance?
Love the videos! They're really changing the way we're thinking about our upcoming reno.
Stick with vinyl with at least 12mm wear layer. Pets and wooden floors don't go well together.
Speaking of baseboards and crappy contours for flexible floating flooring, should I be caulking between the floating floor and the baseboards? I have extremely ugly gaps in between and diy websites keeps saying I should. I know you can do it to hide the top of the baseboard but I'm unsure if I should for the gap due to crappy contours below. What are your thoughts on this jeff?
Jeff, Great tutorial as all of your videos, However could you send us the link of where to buy this product? also what is the name of colour that was used here?
Hi Jeff. Would you prefer this flooring or LVT for a new build on concrete slab?
I don't know, Jeff. I'm currently building my own home and plan on using SPF throughout. Mainly because of the kitchen and bathroom. I don't think the hardwood can compare to SPF in those areas. While I love the look and feel of hardwood, SPF is looking and feeling very nice nowadays... and still cheaper (especially when doing a whole house).
worth considering the effect of hardwood on resale value. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Yeah for sure. However, I plan on retiring in this house, but I can see the potential for resale in using the hardwood.
Who makes this product? It looks like a solution for my project. And yes, I’m in the States.
lol
I installed 1,000 sq ft of luxury vinyl because I have 4 insane dogs. The LV is perfect for them. If I didn't have the dogs, this looks like a nice option.
Could you install this over existing tile?? One of the reasons we were going to go with LVP
as long as you use the underpad. Definitely!
Is there a spec for the engineered hardwood with click-lock ?
The 7mm examples I’ve found in local stores seem to have relatively thin wear layers (1mm).
1 mm of fancy veneer wood doesn’t sound very durable.
Any opinions would be appreciated.
Thanks
i have a question about the job you are on in the video i noticed the old plaster walls under the drywall was that left because of the cost/mess of getting rid of it or some other reason ???
As someone who installes hardwood, engineered, vinyl and every so often laminate, you should never push down on your piece. When its locked correctly it will naturally drop down into place. Pushing down like what I saw at the 7:00 minute mark will cause bulging in the grooves in the future. Other than that, you always provide tons of great info for the diy guys and gals out there.
Nice video but have a question. How do you do a jointing room where they have to tie together as one and you have to go backwards? So you can't lift the piece to snap them together. I can't see doing a whole nother room backwards from a doorway. Hope you get what I am trying to say. Love your show
Jeff, are you able to list the exact manufacture, model and color of floor you used? In your link it says it’s sold out and click here for a different one but it’s more then life proof Thanks.
Wait wha? This isn't that new. We installed floating engineered hardwood bamboo like three years ago. We love it and haven't had any issues. Super easy install and was much easier to snap together than when we did straight up vinyl, although the vinyl we got was some cheapo stuff where the lock system would fall apart if you looked at it wrong.
I wish that you could come fix my house in Staten Island, NY!
Was going to use vinyl in the kitchen & hallway but seriously considering going with this product. Does it come in an ash or greyish colour ?
Jeff, love your content. Where can you get this kind of flooring? Is this something you can find at Home Depot, Rona, etc or do you have to go to a specialty retailer? I'm in Northern Ontario and there are a lot fewer options here than there are in a major city. EDIT: just noticed your link. My bad.
Can I install flooring and then put a vanity right on top of the flooring? Or does it have to go around the vanity
i don't consider it real hardwood flooring unless it can be refinished more than once but that is just me most homeowners wont care as they are not gonna be around when that becomes an issue it looks great but it wont last a lifetime or two like 3/4 in solid wood will great stuff for diy guys cool video
I plan on buying this flooring soon. Should I install it directly over the hardwood floor i have now or remove the hardwood and install it on the plywood subfloor? Which option is the better option?