Three decades on, Croatia's Vukovar bears invisible scars of war • FRANCE 24 English
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- The Croatian city of Vukovar, on the banks of the Danube, has a painful past. Located on the border with Serbia, it was the scene of the first major battle in the 1990s Balkan wars. Four years before the genocide in Srebrenica and eight years before the war in Kosovo, Vukovar was the first city in the former Yugoslavia to suffer ethnic cleansing, in 1991. More than 30 years later, reconciliation between local Serbs and Croats is hindered by impunity for war crimes and the inability to agree on a common version of events.
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At 16:11 you can see the bridge named after Jean-Michel Nicollier, a French volunteer who fought for Croatian independence. He was beaten and murdered by the Serbs along with the other Croatian hospital patients in 1991.
hes the only reason I like France
@@ccjojococoJOJOcasa Cant argue with that
And he is still recorded as missing
So where is his grave? Come on Serbs...waiting for your ''clever'' comments??
@@hm-fe9urHis mother ask president Macron can he ask serbian president Vučić where is scelet of Jean. After one year, Jean still not founded and Macron sell Rafale planes to Serbia. So sad
Never forget, never forgive, Vukovar 1991!
Nemože se zauvijek ostati u prošlosti.
@@JmKrokYProšlosti?Jel si slijep,pa ne vidiš politiku koja se vodi preko Dunava.Prošlost,sadašnjost,a ako budemo mlaki,budućnost gora od prošlosti.Onaj tko nije osjetio 1991,ne može namirisati šta se sprema.
@@robertomadunic7017Kakva politika preko Dunava?
@@JmKrokY Politika preko Dunava? Uvijek ista! Hrvati nisu narod. Zapadna granica Srbije je Virovitica-Karlovac-Ogulin-Karlobag. Hrvatski jezik ne postoji jer to je dio srpskog jezika. Hrvati nemaju povijest-hrvatski kraljevi su izmišljotina. Dubrovačka književnost je srpska književnost. To je nadgradnja. Temelj je vojno-politička ekspanzija: Kosovo je Srbija. Republika Srpska da se prisajedini Srbiji. Republika Srpska Krajina da se vrati i prisajedini Srbiji. Jasenovac je bio logor smrti u kojem su Hrvati ubili 1.700 000 Srba. Ne pravi se glup, Srbine!!!
@@robertomadunic7017 Tako je. Ovaj izgleda ne prati njihove medije i politiku. Ovaj sukob je zamrznut se lako da zakljuciti slusajuci njih.
I was eight years old when the war started at the end of 1991. I was living 30 km west from Vukovar. They never entered my village but next village was occupied. Sleeping with few families in a basement for 3 months like a dog while they were shelling us day after day. My father sent my mother, brother and me to the coast, I've become refugee. My father stayed.
At that time USA and Europe didn't do anything and we had to fight for the next 4.5 years. In August 1995 in big military operation Storm (the biggest in Europe after WW2, 130,000 soldiers) we won.
That's why we need and must help Ukraine, aggressor understands only force and power. Slava Ukraini.
Seems like the Serbian government is the Kremlin of the Balkans.
The civilians seem to not mind living together (apart from some nationalists).
how do you fight the mis and dis information created to divide the otherwise obvious path for justice?
No refugees from 1995 operation Storm, right?
@@vradomir no prisoners either 😂 I wonder what happened ..
@@vradomir When you start trouble and idiotically proclaim "this is Serbia" expect a responce in kind.
Merci Jean.....we will never forget
How about you French do a story about JEAN MICHELE NICOLIER
Nous ne l'oublierons jamais🤗...le Hero de Yukovar😐😪
@@damirglavas7940legenda koja prije toga ni vojnik nije bio. Pogotovo kada mu je ponudjeno da se izvuce, odbio je i odlucio ostati (nazalost). Jednostavno je postao simbol domovinskog rata (jedan od mnogih), ali sto kazem, nije prije bio vojnik i nije imao bas nista sa hrvatskom, ali mu je srce bilo na pravoj strani, samo kada bi ubice progovorile, pa makar i anonimno i rekle gdje je pokopan, pa da mu obitelj nadje barem malo mira isto tako i za sve druge zrtve. Nikada mi nece biti jasno, kako "netko" moze mirno spavati i gledati se u ogledalo, a ne zeli otkriti gdje su pokopani svi ti heroji. Strasno
YES!
The guy at the end, Serb of course, is saying that people are not just seen as residents of a town. Yeah, that tends to happen when people recognise you and remember the atrocities you did. You can plea ignorance, but they remember.
It doesn't have to be like that? Then stop the denialism, hand over all the perpetrators and condemn them. Make the bare minimum effort instead of sheltering criminals, instead of expecting victims to just forget it happened.
Oh I was there too and there were atrocities towards Serbs too, don't pretend you don't know. Civilians were killed just because they were Serbs, I know many of them. There were even cans produced with the title "pure croatian air" - what sick people come up with that idea. No atrocities can make up for what was done during NDH. Serbs are the ones forgetting quickly- but NOT ANY MORE.
@@RadaMilisic "civilians were killed just because they were serbs" 😂😂😂😂😂
Arkans Tigers, white eagles "civilians"
Never forget srebrenica and vukovar btw...
You just explained what led to this and why Serbs hate Croats so much. They remember ustašas and their atrocities from WW2. If you still think it’s all white and black I have news for you
You just described what led to this. Serbs didn’t forget what Croats did during WW2 and Croatia’s call for independence was the perfect excuse. Serbs were never the first ones to throw the stone.
@@Miguel-uh3oo The reason why the Ustaše did what they did was due to the repression of the Croats and other people during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
It is clear to see why Serbia and Russia are such good friends.
Yes, that's why you purchased so many weapons from Russia in the 90s, typical lying Croat.
True,they are the same 🤔
@@danieltorlak5579 its because nobody likes serbs not even russians...dobrica cosic "father of serbian nation" saud that lying is the national pride of serbian nation
Jedi govna majmune
Birds of a feather.
The priest is lying. JNA was purely Serbian army at that time because all Croats left JNA when the war started and joined Croatian army.
Also the reasoning, in France the police would also take Action on terrorists is totally stupid not on point. In France the police is not mass graving a towns population. I hate to say it but fanatical hate preachers like that one are one of the biggest security threats Croatia has. Such preachers blessed Serbian rifles and guns during the war.
In weak times like during Covid, those people are the long arm of Seriban foreign policy.
Awww, more lies from Ante. Now what was Croatia's Army...? Full of Serbs and Bosniaks, right? So, in 1993, while BiH was under attack by Croatia's regular forces, could Bosnian Orthodox and Muslims pray in West Mostar on Orthodox Christmas or Eid? Where would they be able to pray given all Orthodox churches and mosques had been destroyed? hahaha
And the tanks came from Belgrade Serbia. He is lying and you can see that he doesn’t believe in what he is saying either.
Macedonians, Montenegro and so on..
@@danieltorlak5579 There are even video clips of Slovenian and Croat JNA officers deserting and switching sides. Yes, JNA had even huge barracks in Zagreb but don't try to tell me that Croats and Bosniaks did expell and mass-killed their own people. The priest tries to make a point by drawing a comparison to France and how they deal with terrorists. Cities have been flattened, civilists systematically expelled and killed, long before Croatia retaliated and counter attacked in 1995. For the dirty work Pro-Serb Militia forces were used. Who do you think organized them?
No amnesty for animals
Im Croat and i can tell you that a LOT of stuff from the war are not resolved..some saying "lets not talk and look at the past etc"..but truly think we HAVE TO DEAL with the past FIRST,before we can move on..Croatia is split abt this..what and how to do..so we can realy move on and honestly live together..dont think you can just push all this under the carpet and ignore it all..
Both Croatia and Serbia also have some things back from WW2 that neither want to talk about 😬
@@JmKrokY There will never be peace or reconciliation in the Balkans until Serbia and Croatia admit the conflict of the '90s was fundamentally about the division of Bosnia-Herzegovina between Serbia and Croatia at the expense of Bosniaks, and the Croats were as complicit as the Serbs, only weaker and unable to effect military realities on the ground. The conflict was not about "Greater Serbia" but Little Greater Croatia and Little Greater Serbia. WW2 simply weakened the existing order and allowed local forces to assert themselves in the absence of a centralized state... it was not a cause of anything. Desire to divide BiH moreover, this has not been limited to the '90s... but dates even before Cvetkovic-Macek. The history of disenfranchisement of Bosniaks and other Muslims in Yugoslavia was institutional and benefitted Serbs and Croats, and Bosnians have no reason whatsoever to trust Zagreb.
Vukovar will never be Serbian! Croatia will never surrender, we will always be Croatia!
There is one extremely important thing that you forget to mention in this kind of documentaries - the current government of Serbia.
Serbia, which is in practice a one-party state, has a government that thrives on keeping tensions between Croatia and Serbia at an all-time high. Vucic (Serbian dictator) knows that his country is in a sorry state and the tensions serve to keep him in power.
Of course, this also feeds Croatian 'nationalists', which is exactly what Vucic wants. Vucic does not want reconciliation, he wants to keep tensions between Serbs and Croats at the highest level!
For this, ordinary people have to pay, in both Serbia and Croatia. Most of all in Serbia, of course, which today is a thoroughly impoverished dictatorship, with no future prospects whatsoever.
So - how could you forget to mention all this? Is this completely unknown to you?
our political elites loving that,too
Probably the most objective outside view of Vukovar there is. Croatian TV statitions wouldn't have the guts to publish it, Serbian TV stations want another war and talk about Greater Serbia every day.
I watched Croatian television out of interest, as I had just recently configured my TV. It didn't take five minutes before I heard about the "plight" of BiH Croats and various rationalizations of expansionism that are stepping stones to Greater Croatia. The themes of Croatian TV: football, war propaganda, Catholicism and Herceg-Bosna. And where would you be without them?
"A lie is a Serb national interest. Lying is a form of Serbian patriotism and a confirmation of our innate intelligence. We lie artistically, imaginatively and inventively." - Dobrica Cosic Father of the Serbian Nation
He never said that lol
@@ddffgghbjjnbgvcccda He did book seobe
@dusanmoderc9110 Hahaha..You just proved his point
Typical Croatian liar!
@@danieltorlak5579 liars = serbs
Never forget srebrenica, vukovar or kosova
I read somewhere that in 1991 the Serbian soldiers crucified and mutilated a Croat in Vukovar in public on the street.
I heard Americans did the same in Libya , Yemen , Iraq and Afgahnistan
“A” Croat? Then you haven’t heard of Ovčara and Velepromet. Vilim Karlović wrote a book “I survived Ovčarea and Velepromet”, and it’s possible it has been translated into English. That is, if you want to read about the horrors he has experienced, and somehow survived to witness about it.
They organised “torture chambers” in occupied villages, in private (empty) homes, in the cellars - where they would collect villagers, and then torture them there for days, eventually never sending them back home. The bodies of these victims have still not be found.
There was a beautiful old man who was captured and he swallowed a wooden Catholic cross he had with him. When a četnik/yugoslav army soldier cut his throat, trying to kill him - and then threw him in some pit - that wooden cross stuck in his throat saved his life. He managed to crawl out of that pit (canal) where all dead bodies were thrown, only to be captured again at a different place. He then ended in concentration camps organised in serbia, somehow managed to survive these tortures, and then finally got exchanged for serbian prisoners of war captured by Croatian Army.
During these exchanges of prisoners - there was a visible difference - those who were held by Croatian forces looked normally, while these coming from concentration camps in serbia looked like shadows of themselves, lost 40 kg each, all bruised and beaten, broken legs and arms, broken ribs, internal organs all shook from heavy beatings. One of the “entertainment” methods for the monsters leading these concentration camps/prisons in serbia was to make all prisoners lie down on the floor along the corridor - and then they would run across them in heavy boots, stepping on their fingers and all other body parts on purpose. And that was just one of the torturing methods. Some prisoners didn’t survive. Some committed a suicide after coming back home as they couldn’t live with degradation and horror they experienced there. The average age of these prisoners in serbian concentration camps is 55, they die at least 20 years earlier then those who weren’t prisoners of war in serbia, or any other serbian “prison” (concentration camp style prisons).
That’s unfortunately true and thanks to EU and US they got away with it, like many others who still live in Croatia but are protected by “our” government.
Well you should do some more reading ignoramus! In November 1992, a Croatian fascist in Gornji Vakuf d--c--itated a Bosniak paraplegic elderly man in a wheelchair.
@@jonelova Hahaha, where can I find book by Croat written about AHMICI?? ha hahah
Yeah, we saw the international justice, how it works. The serbian commander got 3 years of prison,while Croatian defenders were charged as war criminals. Shame on you Haag
Indeed
Us albanians faced the same thing. Even in Bosnia America saved Serbs before they were gonna be sent back to Belgrade
@@euphoriaggaminghd znam rođo,pravda je biznis
"Agree on a common version of events"?!
People still argue about the Norman invasion of England 1066!
What about the Norman invasion of Durres in today's Albania 1081? Bigger battle and far more significant.
Not Balkans- Croatia
But nonetheless, you are producing more "Balkan" beasts than anybody.... Tuta, Praljak, Susak and others. Hence civilized Europe has sentenced your "generals" and politicians to over 200 years imprisonment! Lol!
@@danieltorlak5579 nothing compare to Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic, Arkan, Legija, Seselj...biggest beasts and criminals in balkans history..
Exactly!
It’s not forgotten or forgiven
don't sell Serbia weapons!
If you look up the Serbian author Dobrica Ćosić and his description of what are the most important virtues of the Serbian people, it's really all you need to know.
Yea, Srpski Svet
@@Stjepan-vc4cs "The Croatian Army was never illegally in BiH."
Still to this day proclaimed by Croatian ultra-nationalists, who don't have a sense of irony. 😁
@@Stjepan-vc4cs If Serbs were so evil, why did you collaborate with them over the course of a century? Why did Yugoslavia even exist in the first place if Serbs and Croats were so different and culturally disagreeable? The fact is, you were stakeholders in the persecution and Serbian crime machine until Serbs turned on you and attacked you. It's not like that even helped you learn something, because two years after Vukovar, there you were destroying East Mostar and Gornji Vakuf. You are religiously devoted to Croatian nationalist lies, it seems.
My heart goes out to Mladen, the Croatian veteran. As someone who has mixed Croat and Serb heritage, I've always taken the view that we must forgive our enemies and work towards co-existence. But hearing his words, 'we must remember who the perpetrators were, so future generations won't make the same mistake again' has rung a lot more truth to my ears than I expected. It's easy for me, an Australian with no family members killed in the war, to preach forgiveness and coexistence when I have nobody to forgive, and for that matter, nobody to coexist with. I still do hope that Serbs and Croats can move on and celebrate what makes us so similar, but I understand it's so much easier said than it is done.
The essence of the conflict in the '90s and in WWII was not Serb versus Croat, but the division of BiH at the expense of "Muslims" (Bosniaks). Serbs and Croats are historical allies with no major conflicts outside three months of 1991. That is how Yugoslavia emerged, and existed for 50 years as Croats had the numbers and ability to rebel against Yugoslavia if they did not support it. Bosniaks, Macedonians, Albanians did not have the numbers or level of enfranchisement in Yugoslavia to influence, in any way, policy. Serbs and Croats are brothers in Christ. Franjo Tudjman: "On the eve of WW2, all talk was on the division of BiH."
@@hasibhakanovic6682 sources: my hodza
@@jonomobono3223 Talk about illiteracy, what I wrote was a personal opinion, not a fact. But if you follow the logic, the conclusions are very hard to refute... Croats were a quarter of the Yugoslav population, wealth was enormously concentrated in Croatia, the reason Yugoslavia existed is because Croats were beneficiaries of Yugoslavia and understood that, hence were very happy until the Serbs backstabbed them in 1990-1.
@@hasibhakanovic6682 Personal Opinion is such different from facts...if there has no been yugoslavia propably a great serbia would have exist
@@jonomobono3223 Yugoslavia was Greater Serbia, and you were its happy and willing collaborators until the Serbs backstabbed you in 1991.
The priest is lying !
When priest says "it was never serbian army" , I heard enough. Shameless.
Also I wanted to add one thing: Idk what the presenter of the report wanted to say with "the croats also taking up arms" 1:25
If THAT is a thematical link (or is supposed to be a link) to the current fight of Ukraine against the invasion of Russia, let me remind you of one fact that is a key difference:
Ukraine is getting all sorts of military weapons systems deliveries from high tech weapons and satellite data and military advisors etc. , they prolly even get sent even the kitchen sink.
What did Croatia get instead in comparison?
Well, maybe you guessed it correctly: A WEAPONS EMBARGO!
Go figure!
Let me give you a hint why people would have been reluctant to provide Croatia with weaponry... It starts with B.
The reason you had half of your arsenal in a foreign country for a war of choice against a party that was not occupying your territory means you had too many weapons not too few.
You have the audacity to complain about an embargo that was not even effective as it was Croatian policy to violate it, Croats are truly hilarious and the level of collective delusion requires world experts in psychiatry to fully disentangle and explain this to those of us who are "unenlightened".
We are never going to be ok with each other again
My parents are from Vukovar, I was born in munich. I now live in a village close to Vukovar, called Bogdanovci, my uncle was the commander of the defense of this village during the war.
I once asked him, during an hour long voyage, if Croatians and Serbs could ever become "friends". Just like historically the germans and the french were eternal enemies, but after 2 world wars (and let´s face it, despite Sarajevo lighting up the powder keg, essentially both world wars were german/french conflicts and they were the main combatants), they buried their hatchets and moved on. Perhaps because too much blood was shed on both sides. And don´t get me wrong: Ofcourse much blood was shed between Serbs and Croats in history, but the amount pales in comparison to the wars between Germany and France, and YET these two nations are now at peace with each other, right?
Fortunately enough, all my family from Vukovar, except one distant Great-uncle, which i liked (who was shot by some serb bandits) survived, so i have not much grievance. I also never had any problems with Serbs while I was living in munich. I would love to see a friendly relationship between croats and serbs, but unfortunately, I don´t see a perspective for it, at least not in the near future. And here is why:
As is pointed out in the video, as part of the agreements, the serbs achieved the rights for seperate education. That is good for the serbs, and I have no problem with that in general. Let them have the right for seperate education. It just is not helpful for integration, but maybe, potentially, other problems could arise from mixing these schoolkids together.
Imo, there should be schools where integration with both populations is tested, and these being monitored and examined, and other where that is not the case. And then we can make further decisions.
But I think there is a lack of trust from both sides in this matter.
I will remind you of the conversation that I had with my uncle, who was the commander of the forces that defended Bogdanovci in the war. He was born in 1947. People who are born much later still hold a grudge (and given the fact, that my family got off lightly, but others have not, that grudge might be MUCH MUCH deeper than mine, I understand), the only way forward to EVENTUALLY remove the grudge is our future generations, and that starts in schools.
If our children learn the hate, learn a separation, then nothing can change to a better future.
I will actually try to approach the serbian church in Vukovar (it is shown in the video), and hopefully start a fruitful dialogue. Wish me luck 🙂
I am optimistic for that. I hope to become a mediator in a sense.
I’d love to know more about your family’s story, and I hope that your meeting in the church went well. 🙂
@@jonnyedge7094 The dialogue will go very well... Serbs and Croats are "brothers in Christ" according to their own '90s leaderships. Serbian-Croatian collaboration has been more historically significant than Serbian-Croatian conflict.
@@hasibhakanovic6682 we saw in vukovar how "brotherly" serbs were to croats
@@barmajutta-oj8td Bosnians were in a unique position to see brothers in Christ unite in Maglaj, Kiseljak, Zepce and Konjic and that neither Vukovar nor Jasenovac nor Bleiburg was, at the end of the day, such a big deal when it came to the Croatian and Serbian obsession with BiH. Neither Catholics nor Serbs ever seriously cared about these historical events, or alleged historical events, these are just tools to condition those populations of their moral superiority and victim status and psychological preparation to commit atrocities and excuse them.
I saw with my own eyes expelled Croatian militants fleeing through Serb lines after we attacked their positions in Kakanj in June '93 because I was a soldier in the ARBiH that participated in these hostilities. We later found out the brigade we expelled regrouped and reconstituted their forces in Kiseljak, which were then used against our forces in Fojnica. There was no path to Kiseljak through Croatian territory because we, along with the Serbs, controlled the environment of Kakanj municipality. Kiseljak was being constantly replenished with weapons, including tanks, armored vehicles, there were no supply lines but through Serbian territory, and Croatian military formations would have been defeated very early unless they were receiving those weapons and ammunition. Serbs saved fifteen to twenty thousand Croatian militants in Zepce, Kiseljak, Konjic and Vitez -- all of them would likely have ended up captured/KIA/E.
@@hasibhakanovic6682 actually its a fact that serbian and muslim brothers supported each other in Mostar, stolac and even in travnik in 1993...serbs and muslims signed the krajisnik izetbegovic agreement...and muslims capitulated to serbs...because serbs were to strong for them...After that muslims attacked civilians in kknj, vares, bugojno, travnik etc...there were no militants in central bosnia...muslims just were to afraid to fight a them...
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@@vlatkov.8536 Da je Albanac musliman tijekom 1993. godine bio u Mostaru, na sve manjim prostorima pod kontrolom HDZ-ovih fanatika, prvo bi shvatio da Bajrama nema gdje dočekati, a potom i da mu je život u opasnosti. Tutini sociopati bi ga stisnuli za grlo, a tijelo bi mu bacili u Neretvu. Tko može tvrditi da ste civilizirani, kad očito ni sami u to ne vjerujete? Zašto niste kupili kuću do generala Koradea? Zašto ste Ademiju smjestili zločine koje nije počinio?
@@hasibhakanovic6682 stisni jednog bosanaca i 10 srba izlazu...
Tako muslimanska braca misle o vana 😂😂?
@@jonomobono3223 Bio sam u 4. korpusu pod komandom Arifa Pašalića nakon izlaska iz JNA. Za Albance pod oružjem na tom području je to vijest jer su gotovo svi služili u ARBiH, a nitko sa srpskim "bratom u Kristu" Mate Bobanom. Najveća zajednica Albanaca u BiH prisutna je u Sarajevu, a iz te zajednice proizašla je Handžar divizija koja se borila protiv hrvatskih militanata u slivu Neretve.
Bili su očevici zlodjela hrvatskih snaga, a možda se sjećaju riječi Vrhovnika Franje upućene Albancima u Zagrebu 1990. godine: “Svoje probleme rješavajte u Beogradu”. Ostali dužnosnici, povrijeđeni Franjinim ponašanjem, ispričali su se Albancima.
Valja napomenuti da je takozvani zapovjednik HVO-a Tihomir Blaškić nekoliko godina bio stacioniran na Kosovu tijekom stravičnih zlostavljanja kosovskih Albanaca. Hrvati su bili druga najveća etnička skupina u svim institucijama komunističke Jugoslavije, potpuno upoznati sa situacijom na Kosovu, ali nisu poduzeli apsolutno ništa. Naravno, to je zavirivanje u još jednu stvarnost: Jugoslavija bez Hrvata ne bi mogla postojati. I najveći dio hrvatskog revizionizma je odvraćanje pažnje od te vrlo grube, ali očite činjenice.
Posebno je važno da se Dragan Čović potpisivao ćirilicom sve do 90-ih. Kao i mnogim drugim komunističkim aparatčicima, ton današnje Hrvatske bio je gotovo nepoznat generaciji hrvatskih političara koji su bili korisnici aparthejdske Jugoslavije.
@@jonomobono3223 Sviđa mi se progresija mentaliteta u Hrvatskoj... prvo govoreći u ime Bošnjaka skoro 30 godina, dok nisu shvatili da vas ne vole i smatraju nitkovom, fašističkim i revizionističkim narodom. Sada Hrvoje govori u ime Albanaca. Nije im teško doznati što se dogodilo s džamijama diljem Neretve, ICTY je te činjenice učinio dostupnima svima koji to ne žele čuti.
🇦🇱🇭🇷 viva hrvatska
Croatians regard Albanians as a black Muslim menace who practice a black man's religion in white Christian Europe. 😁
As the second largest group in Yugoslavia with the greatest wealth of any major group, Croats could mount serious political challenge to Yugoslavia... conclusion: Yugoslavia would not have been possible without the complicity and collaboration of Croats.
@@hasibhakanovic6682 we regard only so called bosniaks like this...since muslims do it themself aswell...
And you are right without croats there wouldnt be a yugoslavia, but probably a greater serbia
@@jonomobono3223 "We regard" you intend to be some sort of aggrandizing preface, as if the statement that follows is valuable... Croatia is not taken seriously outside Croatia. You can regard your admirals, your generals, your bus drivers, your parlor owners, your chicken farmers, your Vrhovnik, your chiropractors, they are all the same really, "we" regard as creatures from the nineteenth century. We genuinely want to inspire hate in you, and there's nothing more gratifying than your hostility, there's no better signal of our righteousness.
@@hasibhakanovic6682 if croatia is not tagen seriously outside of croatia, so how you have to Tell our albanian brothers "how we think about him" 😂😂😂😂
Poor muslim maniac from bosnia filled with complexes and jeleaousy, why noone likes him
Never forget never forgive
ZDS 🇭🇷 🇲🇫💪🙋
Note to foreigners: Author of this tweet is a fascist Croat, writing a fascist Croatian slogan and his avatar is Greater Croatia, which is Serb, Montenegrin and Bosniak majority territory annexed to Zagreb. He is stereotypically the type that is complaining about "fascist" "aggression" from "Greater Serbia".
Croats are self-refuting clowns and frauds!
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The most objective western video. 😁
The truth is, Serbia aggressively attacked Croatia in '91, the Croatian defense army destroyed the 3rd military power in Europe, the Yugoslav army, and serbian rebels and drunken chetniks. Serbia lost the war, beaten to the core in the magnificent military operation Storm '95. The cowardly politics of Serbia are the servants of the French and British Freemasons. They did not succeed, Croatia will live forever.💪🇭🇷
BOG I HRVATI!
The Yugoslavian Army was a different entity with the same name... the army collapsed after Slovenia, and many of its recruits disappeared, desertions were rampant, large chunks of the army demobilized. It ceased to be the "third military power of Europe" after '91. You tell yourself these stories to explain away the fact your country, after the JNA left for BiH, was occupied by Krajina Serbs, over whom you had a 10:1 advantage in human resources, for three long years. The question is why Croatia was occupied at all, or for so long.
@@hasibhakanovic6682 because there was UN who protected so called krajina...otherwise croats would have liberated knin easily in 1992...
@@jonomobono3223 Why did you agree to have the UN posted while Serbs occupied and governed a third of your territory? You put your signature to the armistice, envisaged as a permanent solution with a third of your territory occupied! Why didn't you withdraw your signature from the permanent ceasefire and liberate your territory? Why not just send in the Croatian Army... It was not the Serbs that asked for UNPROFOR, it was you! The answer: You did not have the ability to defeat the Serbs militarily in 1991, 1992 or 1993, despite a massive advantage in human resources (10:1). After Vukovar, the Croatian army was militarily exhausted. The war would move to BiH because there was in reality nothing serious to fight in Croatia... 1992-1995, for every soldier in the Krajina, there were six in BiH.
its easy, croats never wanted war nor they didnt want to force out serbs...croats were always Willing for compromise solution, but serbs rejected (z4 plan is just one example)...so croats have to do what they had to do
@@hasibhakanovic6682 because we croats never wanted war and were always ready for compromisses and the other sode wasnt (z 4 plan for example)...
Vukovar never was Serbia noooooo
Serbs have to start living in reality and accept responsibility,,,,and Croats have to bury their past 1941~45____but ===========never forget Vukovar --
"bury" the past??? WHATS WRONG wiTH YOU??? People's LIVES were RUINED FOREVER.
Why would Croats forget Vukovar? What a silly and ignorant comment altogether!
@@hm-fe9ur we can never and should never forget Vukovat. There are other portions of our not so recent history that should be laid to rest
1.st woman in video is my grandma
People of Bosnia and especially Srebrenica know what they went through. But sad to remember that Croatia also later attacked Bosnia.
Bosnians backstabbed croats...and croats saved bosnians from serbs
@@user-nm1gz6cm7h As if, they destroyed and divided Mostar and good part of Herzegovina.
Who and what is Bosnia? That's the real question... to understand who's attacking whom?! So many nations are people of Bosnia!
@@tarikmehmedika2754 thats what bosniaks did...croats saved Mostar from serbs, then bosniaks worked together with These serbs
@@hm-fe9ur I think you are evading the obvious, and it must be painful, because the reality is very painful for your lot sentenced to 300 years in the Hague. 'Copium' is the slang term for it.
That map is off
You are prof that is much better to be german ally than frances. When it was 100 years of WW1 ending , in Paris , serbian delegation wasnt on stage , it was in public .
Vuko-var , Tamis-var, Belo-var, Szeg-var , thoese are all hungaryan - magar names of town .
True because unlike Serbian practice in Vojvodina, Croatia did not change the name of cities... Zrenjanin was Nagybecskerek once. Srbobran was Szentomas, Sombor is Hungarian name, Apatin is Hungarian name. Not to mention smaller towns or villages like Aleksa Šantić, Krajišnik, Karađorđevo, Mišićevo etc. all renamed from original Hungarian and German names into Serbian.
Yeah because we lived with Hungarians in peace and we had no need to twist history. All the "vars" may have been named by them, but they're not the majority there anymore.
Now let's talk about Belgrade and the fact that it was named by Croats. Is it a Croatian city now then?
Have a look at the international map of Serbia (Servia) from 1910 it does not include Kosovo or Vojvodina.
And if you speak about past before WW1 which terorist state organized assasination od Ferdinand in Sarajevo and more back in history, who were invaders together with Otoman army in centuries before? Jasenovac happened but retaliation after WW2 happened, too.
Belgrade comes from turkish Name for "white mosque"...Same with vladicin Han, novi pazar etc.
Nis, vranje are of of albanian origin...because they were historically albanian towns
It's a sad reflection on journalist integrity when one side's victims are honoured and martyred whilst another's are looked down upon as collateral damage. May Vukovar live in peace, as both Croats and Serbs deserve.
Croatia is not part of the Balkans. Please learn geography. We are a Central and South-Eastern European country, not the Balkans!
Think about what they did to each other, both of them were Christians. Serbs committed genocide against Muslims in Bosnia in front of the world. What a traumatic narrative prevails in a city where 200 people died. 100 thousand Muslims were killed by Serbs and Croats in Bosnia.
100 thousand??? now you sound like serb
Actually muslims killed thousands of innocent christian people in bosnia...
and bosnians attacked Christian people in central bosnia first, and then Christians striked back...
Turkey = ISIS
That many people (100 000) are presently thought to have died on all sides combined during the Yugoslav wars, soldiers plus civilians. Check your facts again.
@@Мєтодипоискатєљ 92% of all war crimes during yugoslav wars were done by serbs
Same one sided western propaganda like the 90s.
Even as a Croatian I have to say it's extremely unprofessional (and not true) to say that Belgrad back then considered Vukovar as part of Greater Serbia. We don't need propganda when the truth is enough.
You are not Croatian. You are just a proof that Dobrica Cosic was right.
Why allways one side. Why don't you interview 90% of people from Vukovar. Let's hear other side. Why so afraid of truth?
As a reminder, Croatia's state policy from 1941-1945 was "Kill one third of Serbs, Catholicize one third, expel one third" Croats killed 720,000 Serbs in Jasenovac and other concentration camps, they were also the only country in the world that had a concentration camp for children. you have the testimonies of the Germans as well.
Of course, the international community thought it was a smart idea to support such a state, and of course they completed their plan by expelling the Serbs in 1995
Instead of dealing with that, you are dealing with propaganda against the Serbs, which you have been pushing since the 90s
It was German state policy to exterminate all Jews in the 40s. What's your point? Countries change (except Serbia, apparently).
Now, lets do the math
4 years of jasenovac x 365 days = 1460 days
720 000/1460 = 493
So, you are trying to say that NDH had enough manpower, resources, time and logistics to kill 493 people every single day for 4 years and dispose their bodies while at the same time actively fighting on multiple fronts in ww2?
Is that what you really traing to say?
P.s. this number tend to rise over years, it used to be 500k couple of years ago.
Serbs ethnic cleansed 200.000 croats and other non-serbs from croatia
Serbs ethnic cleansed 800.000 bosniak and croatian civilians from bosnia and rpd over 50.000 underaged bosniak and croatian girls in children rp camps in front of there parents...
Never forget srebrenica, sarajevo, prijedor, kozarac, foca, visegrad, bihac, zvornik, bijeljina, posavina etc.
Last but not least serbs ethnic cleansed 1.000.000 albanians from kosova...and rpd over 20.000 albanian girls up to 7(!) years in front of there parents
As a reminder:
Serbian state policy in the 1990s and now is to exterminate all non-serbs from balkans
Serbian concentration camp for children = rakovica manastir near belgrade
Also serbs raped over 70.000 bosniak, albanian and croatian children up to 7 years (!) in front of there parents
Now go to visit Jasenovac and do bit of history lessons before publication of more lies about war in Yugoslavia
Whole world believes in lies,but only serbians know the truth and are the biggest victims in all the history,in all the wars they have lost...
@@Oldmz true...serbs did genocide on All balkan people and they blame others...
Why did the Serbs rape 50,000 women in Bosnia and why did the Serbs fill houses full of women and children in Eastern Bosnia and burn the houses down?
Please do explain, are you suggesting the Serbs were taking out their frustrations on pregnant women and little kids in the 1990s for events in 1940s?
I presume you are talking about allegedly 1.500.000 Serbs killed by Ustashe. That’s debunked as the biggest lie in history of this part of Europe even by some Serbian scientists.
Was jasonavac a lie too?
Once you see how many Serbs lived in Bosnia before and after the war, you'll relise who was a real victim.
Serbs ethnicly cleansed half of Bosnian Territory and its ok ?
@@Stjepan-vc4cs serbian genocidal people
@@Stjepan-vc4cs So where those Serbs who "occupied" that part of Bosnia now called Republika Srpska used to live before the war??
@@darkobojovic1936 in bijeljina, posavina, srebrenica, zvornik, travnik, kozarac the town became serbian because of ethnic cleansing
Totally unobjective propaganda
Clear fact
You’re in denial.
@@antepilic7422Serbian nationalists are so annoying. They are still in denial about Srenrenica despite the whole world viewing it a genocide
Stick to reading "Kurir" if you want to stick to your version of the Serb "truth"
If all the older people will keep their mouths closed about the past the youth would live a better peaceful life.
NO. Just keep ALL serbs awaya from Croats and ALL would be OK.
What about Jasenovac? 400,000 serbs and roms killed
it vas 4 400 432,and 3 000 000 more missing
Lie, biggest casualitie in Hasenova were Croats killed by Partizans
Can you name the Yugoslav study that claims that and the person who wrote it?
There were three Yugoslav studies done during communist Yugoslavia on Yugoslav deaths during WW2. One in the 1960s and two in the 1980s and none have the number you have quoted or what you are claiming for Jasenovac camp.
A 400000, no, 3 million no 4 million,f liers…….
Jasenovac was 50 years prior to the ethnic cleansing that serbs did to Croats and Bosnians. the 125,000 people murdered by the ustashe is a tragedy and did not go unpunished, but it does not justify the premeditated genocide, rape and displacement of people caused by serbia and serbians, infact the punishment should be even greater on serbia because they committed far worse crimes at a later date.
Country was Yugoslavia . The legal army is the Yugoslav Army . Good propaganda Frenchie
The country was Croatia, which had the right to secede under the Yugoslav Constitution. The Yugoslav Army, in which the officers were predominantly Serbs, sided with Serbia. Serbia is a sad and pathetic nation that always loses and whines.
Serbia stole almost all the weapons from the Yugoslav army. The other 5 republic got only a small part of it. What does that tell you? The high Yugoslav command was Serbian. That was a clear violation of the Yugoslav constitution that claimed every nation must be represented in the command. That is how Serbia effectively took control over the Yugoslav army before the war started. The commander of the Yugoslav army was Serbian and had a deal with Milosevic to steal more than half of Croatian land and all of Bosnia to create a mythical state of great Serbia. In 1991. only Serbs remained in the Yugoslav army, and when the war started Serbia couldn't recruit normal conscripts. Because young normal Serbs wouldn't go to war and they fled the country. Serbia released thousands of murderers, thieves, and rapist from jails and sent them to Croatia to fight for imaginary great Serbia. They promised them freedom. The Serbian Yugoslav army wasn't there to bring order, but to kill, ethnic cleans Croatians, and destroy the city. They succeeded partially. 30 years later Vukovar isn't 100% rebuild.
Yugoslavia was not a country but union of six independent republics and three autonomous regions, Vojvodina, Kosovo and Sandžak.
@@ljuboizsiska5448 same about bosnia, macedonia, slovenia and kosova
@@ljuboizsiska5448 Serbia is a country, not a nation. There are Serbs is Croatia and Bosnia. Serbia as a country was NOT involved in any war except for 1999. Whatever happened in CRO nand Bosnia happened between locals.
Serbia was supportive of SRB minorities, and unfortunately, there were groups of criminals pillaging throughout two countries.
... slavs
all europeans were fighting wars all the time before wwii
@@jhonywalker002 obviously, we sure did that.
that's not the point.
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Haha, Romanian, an unwanted pauper cousin of Romance peoples, is mocking Slavs. This is hilarious.
Pure propaganda!!!
Truth will set you free ... chedo
@@hrvojecosic8802 "A lie is a Serb national interest. Lying is a form of Serbian patriotism and a confirmation of our innate intelligence. We lie artistically, imaginatively and inventively." - Dobrica Cosic
Pure denial of truth ... chedo
Cant hide the truth, thats the problem with some of you serbs, until you see the daylight things will never get better
@@joschmo4497 At least a Serb told the Truth about Serb Nationalists
Shamefully biased video from the FRANCE 24. Calling whatever local Serbs say "propaganda" and openly taking the Croatian side. Terrible journalism.
In November 1991 Croatia was not internationally recognized and the YNA went to Vukovar to help relieve the siege of the army barracks. If Bretons were to block a French army barrack in Rennes, what would the French army do?
Milosevic did not deploy YNA troops, since as the president of Serbia he had 0 jurisdictions. It was Kadijevic and Adzic.
Local Croats are no better than Croatian Serbs.
Both are denying crimes of their side, Croats deny what happened before November 1991, and Serbs deny what happened thereafter.
Sure thing, Chetnik.
The JNA was already attacking Vukovar and surrounding villages before the JNA barracks were besieged in retaliation.
The JNA was under the command of Milošević and his Serb nationalist loyalists. The ICTY already found Milošević and other Serb leaders from the JNA and RSK armies guilty of a Joint Criminal Enterprise for war crimes committed during the Croatian War.
Lol, what happened before November 1991? Balvan Revolucija, "Bloody Easter" in Plitvice, the Borovo Selo massacre, Siege of Kijevo, massacres and ethnic cleansing of non-Serbs already starting in Slavonija, Banovina and other areas under Serb control, the start of the Siege of Dubrovnik? Anything else you wanted to add to that?
You Serbs actually live in an alternate reality.
Sick propaganda
Clear facts
Says the Serb. Your entire existence is based on propaganda.
@@barmajutta-oj8td Facts... Prozor October 1992, 500 homes and businesses belonging to Bosniaks in a 80% populated Bosniak town are looted then set on fire by soldiers of the Zagreb regime under various aliases to disguise the effective control of Zagreb, wearing black shirts, boots and memorabilia from a certain era in Europe. The destruction was documented and photographed, and you can find photos on the internet. Foreign Catholics are among them, as well as right-wing extremists. Convoys carrying the looted goods travel to and from Prozor and Western Herzegovina for about a week nonstop. The entire Bosniak population is expelled and arrives in Gornji Vakuf, sometimes barefoot, only to be told to return to Prozor (to their destroyed town) by "our" president Izetbegovic, who, as it became clear to locals, had no idea what was happening. The ARBiH had drafted plans for a major counter-attack, but "our" president did not sign off on them, allowing the Sinj Split Imotski Siroki Brijeg Livno Catholics to fortify for months.
@@hasibhakanovic6682 facts...central bosnia 1993 bugojno, travnik, vares, kakanj, jablanica, konjic...bosniak islamists attacked croatian villages together with foreign islamists from al-qaida and Taliban...and exterminated almost all of christian population, burned churches...and beheaded croatian civilians...exactly what ISIL did to Christian and yazidis in syria and iraq...ARBiH did to croats and serbs in bosnia...Religion of peace!
Today in central bosnia the croatian population almost dissapeared...while in the major HVO cities like Vitez, Busovaca, Kiseljak, Zepce and even in Stolac and Rama the muslim population is still there...
@@hasibhakanovic6682 facts...central bosnia 1993 bugojno, travnik, vares, kakanj...bosniak islamists attacked croatian villages together with foreign islamists from al-qaida and Taliban...and exterminated almost all of christian population, burned churches...and beheaded croatian civilians...exactly what ISIL did to Christian and yazidis in syria and iraq...ARBiH did to croats and serbs in bosnia...Religion of peace!
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@@user-nm1gz6cm7h Seems like you did not understand what I meant....Crna Gora and Kosovo are territories which Serbia has lost. Indeed countries which never belonged to Serbia. So put the finger in your...
Tudjman sold city to serbs and then later gives all privilegies to serbs there
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