I'm actually writing my *own* TTRPG system, & while I won't go into specifics so no-one *steals* the idea, I've already written & in a way *play tested* a custom combat system I designed for it that's designed *specifically* to make combat faster paced, more dynamic, cinematic & interesting, *&* allow all the players to *meaningfully* participate; & according to my play test, it actually works *really* well.
In the case where a basic attack is not an available action, the dodge action is a good option. I think I got that from the DM Lair. It worked wonders, also I found utilizing Keith Ammann's The Monsters Know What They're Doing immensely helpful. The fights instantly became more dynamic.
Approve of both, for added sense of believability is The Monsters Know What They're Doing a blessing, just don't go overboard with the efficiency when your players expect high epic heroic fantasy so that they don't receive a gritty realism as goblins totally massacre them... Yeah, totally didn't happen to me, so, you know, just be careful XD
@@kdaviper the first time I played, I played a centaur fighter. Trample, lance, sword, second wind, disengage and bow. Is a very deadly combination. At lvl 5, I destroyed everything in my path. My DM had made a deal with me, that the lance would break after use, so that I had to take a long rest for repair. As dropping it for using the sword and taking it up to charge the next victim, was to powerful. In the next campaign, I played a human nobleman and had to learn the hard way, how combat really is.
@justvibing4796 yes, that was annoying. Could not enter any building. But my DM allowed me to use that time for "Repair" and other stuff. The centaur had Charisma 8 and a modifier of -1, but he did horrible things in encounters with foes, so that my horrified DM gave me advantage based on the centaur's actions. Throwing heads and threaten the enemy to be the next, does cause some morale issues among bandits. I was the oldest of the group with 19 years. And I have an extensive knowlage of ancient and medieval warfare. So I acted like some celtic or greek champion. Proud, boastful, loud. And an asshole, based on the low charisma. The best thing was, when the centaur laid siege to an entire bandit settlement for three days, on his own.
Devil's argument take for using environment: as often ruled, it's worse than just attacking. Throw a barrel of sand at an enemy for 1d4 improvised weapon damage, or use your Extra attack to make two greatsword 2d6 damage attacks. At level 1, the disruptancies is small, but the higher level you get, the less interesting using terrain becomes. I'd wager most DMs also ask for an Athletics check to pick up the sand barrel, and perhaps with disadvantage too because it's so unwieldy. Oh, and two turns worth of actions: one to pick it up and another to actually throw it. - Or again, use your greatsword, as usual. It took me a game like Blades in the Dark to internalize this, but REWARD YOUR PLAYERS FOR THE THINGS YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPENING IN THE GAME! Instead, I would houserule it as "the first time a battlefield toy is used as part of the attack, you deal regular weapon damage, and you gain Inspiration." So that barrel deals 2d6 damage for you, same as your greatsword attack so it's not penalized, and is only one attack of your set of Extra attacks. Because you used the barrel and created an awesome fiction, you gain a bonus. Balance: only the first time, it's boring to use the same battle over and over, but it's interesting to use new toys all the time. I'm only giving Inspiration for the thing I want to see. Still too broken? Introduce the next rule: "This counts for enemies too. When they use toys for the first time, the DM gains Inspiration."
I generally let the environment be destructible and allow 3/4 cover to give the Evasion ability. You see Barbarians ripping out doors and running at enemy archers and spellcasters very often because of the buff to AC and Dex saves.
Or just give said actions certain benefits, you throw the barrel and the enemy is knocked prone, or you have advantage on the attack, or the shit inside the barrel was lamp oil and now you can lit the enemy on fire if you have a fire source nearby (or one of your companions casts fire bolt on the enemy) Giving help with the environment can usually extend to just more than stat boosts
Yeah apply status effects and make them matter. That high level mage is less effective if they can’t see, speak or maybe even hear if their face is covered in the muck you threw at their head. Sure they have ways around that but true of any damage dealing and the damage dealing is rarely anything that directly hinders their round to round combat effectiveness or actions
Or just ignore the damage rules and scale it with your PCs in a way it's always a good option, but never OP. I also sometimes let the PC convince me of what skill they should use and describe how they use that skill for the action.
It's hard for me to understand the question. Players understand that two groups fighting eachother in a small apartment where you are both stuck together is awful. They know the first one through the door must not stand there and block the others. Or that a group of dudes with pistols are much less threatening when you're the one with a rifle shooting down a long corridor. You must understand skirmish combat itself and how to manouver, not try to make up spot rules for flour sacks and chandeliers and stuff. Flour sacks are the poor man's Detect Invisible. When I have accidentally dropped flour sacks they do not create all-obscuring dust clouds. But players can grasp that someone moving over the floor will leave trails, and that flour dust sticking to an invisible thing makes it stand out.
@@OiMouseboy I feel she fits into the self entitled semi-attractive white girl syndrome and like others, doesn't realize it. To expound a bit, her fame and old content is cosplay, not DM ing. I respect her for not going down the dark path of OF, but she has a lot of pretty power and doesn't realize it? Like her wormwood table or her various sponsorships.... Her content isn't saying anything bad but it's super basic and stuff others said better, and she tries to project authority. It all makes a package that comes across as extremely condescending and obnoxious but I feel she's actually just unaware and trying to be as nonthreatening as she can be.... If any of this makes sense.
You’ve got some good advice in here, but at least at my table, I really feel like trying to rush the players through complex mechanics is just a recipe for frustration. Sure, we want combat to feel more tense, but we want that stress to come from the threat that the enemies pose, not the threat of your turn getting cut short or simplified before you can meaningfully contribute because you didn’t think of something fast enough. The pressure of a timer in a game with so many mechanical elements sounds awful to me. Besides, the reason that players are slow in the first place is because of the mechanics that they’re playing with; hurrying them along to make combat faster is like trying to get rid of the smoke without putting out the fire.
The honest truth is that a lot of this advice won't actually speed up play to a significant degree, though the spreadsheet based character sheet might if your players all have access to a computer during game, which mine don't. Everything else will actually slow it down more because now there's more things on the table happening and now there are more options to consider. As for anything where you're trying to force players into higher speeds for decision making, good luck with that, especially if you're trying to recruit new people to your group.
@@Argonnosi if ur an playing with experienced players, it should not take over a minute to decide what you are going to do. You don't need to roll any dice, but at least say what ur plan is. Obviously there are exceptions like if they need more info from the dm
@@samirstrasser3262 It's been a very long time since I've played DnD, so maybe this is a DnD thing, 'cause it's never taken my players more than a minute to figure out what they're doing once they know the rules. Most of the time my players know what they're doing before their turn even comes up.
@@Argonnosi it's more of a table attentiveness thing. Some tables have people who just don't pay attention until it is there turn which makes them take longer than not. Adding the rule really just makes them have to pay attention to combat
@@samirstrasser3262 Then I guess I've just been luck with my players. But, it might still be the system. I couldn't imagine turning to look at my phone after I'm done with my action, ignoring the rolling of dice and then hearing someone tell me my character is dead while not paying attention.
This is one of the best videos on this subject ever produced. The examples, animation, and editing is perfect. When I see a video like this I think, "Damn. I gotta raise my game." Keep making videos. You are going to have 100k subs in no time. --Professor DM, DungeonCraft.
I think a lot of players would be interested to know that a flour cloud does more than obscure vision ... it's highly flammable. Toss a torch into a flour cloud for a mini-fireball!
I worked as an engineer at a factory where sugar was ground into a fine powder - caster sugar. By law the sugar grinding room had to have blast walls and a soft top because if the sugar powder ever gets airborne, any tiny spark will trigger a massive explosion. The mandated design of the griding room channels any explosion upwards to blow off the soft roof - a relatively safe option compared to blowing the walls out and killing everyone in the factory. Most people don't realise the actual danger when any powdered carbohydrate - like flour or sugar - gets airborne and meets a flame or spark!
The PCs can improvise a lot of weapons, it's simply easier for them to get an illegal balkan wars-era hand grenade. A bum can carry one sack of flour with some effort but can easily carry a bundle of hand grenades with little work. One use for flour is a poor man's Detect Invisible. Anything moving on a flour-covered floor leaves tracks. Someone invisible coated in flour will be less so.
What if you let them find that out themselves? They may think about it or not, imagine a situation where they didnt really think about that before lighting a torch in flammable particles and end up lighting everything inside it on fire
A classic way to speed things up and add more of a feeling of simultaneity is to use group initiative combined with a "declaration phase". Back in the olden days, everyone in the party declared what they wanted to do, and then those declared actions were set in stone, and all actions were resolved in order of their type (movement, magic, ranged attack, melee attack). The idea was that everyone started acting at the same time, but different actions take longer than others. If you want faster paced combat, this system significantly speeds everything up.
Exactly. Grouped initiative and the declaration phase not only speeds up combat, but it also encourages teamwork between the players since they will be acting together. And if the DM sets it up with enemies always declaring first, the players will be engaged in a reactive playstyle, not unlike pretty much the rest of the game where the DM presents a situation and asks for the player's input. Since you mentioned the old days, this is not the only thing that made combat significantly faster back at the time... Things had much lower HP and died much faster, PCs included! It helped make combat something you wanted to avoid at least during the first few levels, so players were focused in acquiring treasure (which was the main source of XP in the old days as well) Sadly, I do not know how 5E players can fix the bloated HP problem without having to tinker too much with the game's "balance" or something, honestly I would just suggest giving the old D&D editions a try, specially B/X or some of it's retroclones (Old School Essentials is great). I feel bad for those who are stuck playing 5e, having to homebrew everything to make the game have the slightest hint of fun...
Another very important thing: narration. There's always two extremes at a table. Either the players just say "I attack; I cast X; oh, I'll activate favourite foe" and be done with it. The other extreme is always an epic description of what they're doing only to miss. I was literally playing this encounter yesterday and we had a lot of fun because everyone at the table came up with really fun narration and roleplay in combat, but only AFTER seeing the dice roll. In fact there was a player who wanted to miss purely for roleplay (he also wanted this to happen to another player, that part was annoying). Because some of the guys were new and we were getting used to Foundry vtt, yeah, combat itself was too long at first, but once we got thing going it was probably one of the best "intro fights" I've had in quite some time
The gang will fight ten zombies. I am not going to describe ten different variants of zombies being hit with a shotgun. I hate it when people refuse to move the game forward unless I describe the use of weapons. Asking to miss an attack is a strange choice, because I will roll to hit for the cave bear. And the cave bear will try to eat your PC dead and then there's no story except the story of the cave bear encounter.
Of course, if it’s getting repetitive, you can skip the narration. That said, I think another way to fix that is for the narration to be on both sides. The dwarf berserker is going to move a lot differently than a human fencer; not just in crunch but in fluff. The GM can describe how the dwarf swings in wide, furious arcs that destroy bits of scenery while the human always seems to know exactly when and where their opponents’ guard has dropped. THEN the player can describe how they react to this. Maybe the rogue jumps over the dwarf’s knee-height cut to tackle him to the ground, or the fighter deliberately leaves an opening as a feint that the human falls for and overextends. People occasionally say that a fight is a kind of dance, and they’re kinda right. It’s all about knowing what your partner is doing and reacting accordingly. It just so happens your goal is to make your partner fatally mess up.
Just to clarify with toys - they should be pinned down to situation/environment. Otherwise you risk all players having infinite burning hands. Also, to fix boring attack actions, I'm using house rule, that players can attempt to make permanent injury on disadvantage. They state, what they want to do, I decide, what effect if has. This way I can balance so thrust into an eye can blind ogre, but for a boss, it will just make him dizzy. Now, my players are really creative with attacks, and it works especially well, if you house rule weak spots for your monsters. Or let players do it for you.
Sooooo, we're just not gonna talk about how 90% of his feed is Ginny D? 😂 In all seriousness dude, love these videos of yours they're intellectually engaging and actually get you to question why something does or doesn't work. Keep up the good work! 👍
I’ve recently started playing with my kids, and after rolling initiative on the very first encounter and looking at their faces realized I was in trouble. I went with the Professor DM’s suggestion and had them in clockwise seating order say 1) what they were planning to do and 2) made them all roll turn initiative (doubling as the ‘to hit’ roll) and damage dice together. I let them make minor adjustments to what they wanted to do and wow it got dramatic. Almost like readying and action and your muscles are poised and committed to following through unless you can make a minor pivot. My daughter wanted to lob a grenade at a space-tiger, so I let her pull the pin as she was rolling initiative, but she went last and ended up and the battlefield changed her action into a liability by her turn, so she had to blow up their escape route so as not to fratricide everyone. And it worked so well because within about 15 min, we had developed the story, done an encounter, and were knee deep in our next encounter without anyone getting disengaged or pulled out of fantasy land. It isn’t perfect, but their investment was bigger in all the subsequent encounters, and I kept their attention. Going forward, I think I’ll try all of that out again, but have them add whatever action they state to their “initiative + to hit” roll (i.e. smooth talking gets to add CHA mod to the initiative roll, sneaky-sneaky adds a DEX to roll, etc)
Another tool for your box: Grouping Minons. I found this rule in another system but it transfers well to others, and it speeds up combat immensely if you want to have large groups of enemies. All you need to do is take 3 or more minons and run them using a single character sheet. For every minon above 3 you add one to any 'offensive rolls' that are required, in Pathfinder this would be rolls that go against an AC, DC or something similar. Do not rise the defensive abilities of the character sheet, for you still want your players to hit the minions like normal. Health also remains the same but should be maximized, with this being the number your tallying to remove a minon from the group. Up to you if you want your players to be able to take out multiple minions in a single attack, I prefer yes. Remember you can always have individuals of the group break away and try to run, after seeing one of their members be diced in half by a 30 point blow from the barbarian. Now you can field 20 goblins 'soldiers,' 20 goblin 'archers' (Split into two groups), and 4 level-2 goblin clerics (I run those as individuals, spell casters are a pain that way) against that level 5 party, without it becoming a bogged down fight!
I made a system for my table which I called the "hivemind", its basically also rolling a group of monsters together, but instead of becoming one unit theyre more like a slimy blob emalganation of all the monsters inside. So they can still use their numbers to surround people. I roll to hit for each blob square that can connect to a player. For every time the minion goes below max hp the blob shrinks by one or more squares. Aoe spells bypass it :)
Minions in DND used to mean a standard stat-block with the exception of 1HP and Evasion-style ability on all saves. A Necromancer with 100 skeletons against 4 level 11’s feels way more epic that way. You don’t have to track health as much either.
One thing pathfinder does for all swarm type minions is giving them weakness to area damage. Basically whenever you use an AoE on a swarm minion, even though it mechanically is just a single creature, it still takes extra damage as you would expect when using an AoE on a swarm. You could do the same thing in 5e by applying vulnerability whenever a grouped creature is caught in an AoE.
I switched to Prowlers and Paragons late last year, and it has minion rules exactly like this but based off of its d6 system, so instead the player rolls an attack roll against the threat of the minions, and every net success over what the minion rolled is a minion killed. Threat is their overall dice they use to roll their attacks, or defenses but the more minions there are grouped together, the higher their attack bonus is-they're easy to tear through, but still menacing until you start wiping them out. They can also buy area-of-effect powers for their characters, which take out double the minions-or even some powers like Super Speed allow you to take them out as fast too. Minions have definitely up'd the action-nature of my sessions by enabling me to throw more at my players, while also not having much setup to get them in the game.
So in my very first session as a DM I was running the Lost Mines of Phandelver (shocking I know). One of my more experienced players decided to have some fun with this encounter. They were player a full blooded orc paladin. When the fight started, 2 of the goblins ran up to attack, on the paladin's turn instead of pulling out their weapon they asked if they could do some shenanigans. They wanted to swing one of the dead horses that was right next to them as an improvised weapon. I had them roll a strength check to see if they could wield the dead horse. They rolled over a 20 and since they are a full blood orc they have the "powerful build" feature they pulled it off. Because this was so funny and cool I ruled this as an improvised weapon but up'ed the damage die because its an ENTIRE DEAD HORSE, not just a chair or similar. On top of that I thought there is no way you could swing this horse with any amount of control so it is going to swing in an arc and hit Everything and Everyone in that arc. So in the end 2 goblins and one of the other players were hit with a dead horse and knocked to the ground. Also I now rule that if one of my players acts first before the initiative roll happens, they are the first in the party to go and very likely the the very top of the initiative order. I feel like that is how that would happen for real and it just makes sense. Its super annoying when you say "I cast Fireball!" then have to roll initiative and ... you end up last in the initiative order.
In dungeon coachs DC20 game (essentially if 5e and pf2e had a baby) he kind of solved combat's off-turn engagement issue because off your turn, as a martial at least, you have defensive manuevers you can use off your turn as reactions. For 1 action point, you can parry an attack and add +5AC to you or your allie in range or raise your shield to mitigate damage from an attack. Opportunity attacks are also bolstered to proc when enemies get up from prone, uses an object, picks up something from the floor or moves from your threat range. You could potentially spend all four of your action points before your turn comes but it doesnt feel all that bad because you have been acting off turn and you remain engaged. At the end of your turn, you get your action points replenished to start the dance again. For dnd, we seriously just need more reactions since most of the time reactions straight up go unused.
Yep. Most of the GM advice videos out there are just revealing how poor a system D&D is. If you want to run better games, use better systems. DC20 will be that.
Cool idea! Even having the option to help an ally or take advantage of a foes situation once per turn would be enough to make people start paying more attention.
The problem with Combat Toys is that according to the rules, and this video's own suggestions, they are less powerful than the made for combat options. Players will always move back to the paper buttons without thinking because the numbers are bigger. If 5e is what your group continues playing, the toys must be MORE powerful than the paper buttons if you want the party to use them. Since the game doesn't have enough to do with money already, the best thing to do is to make potions of various spells generally available for purchase, but call them something else. The booze that's great for replacing flaming hands can only be found at one place, and the flour that makes really good fog clouds is at another place.
The point he was making, I think, was that the enemies can use the toys. Goblins don't learn flame hands usually but they can do the burning lantern thing.
@@drtiskthe problem is if you make the toys better than the paper buttons you have just created a new paper button. Now instead of making a weapon attack each round the players throw beer around every single round. That's not better.
Personally, the only way I was able to truly spruce up combat was switching to a lighter ruleset that promoted dynamic combat scenes. My best combats were running Rhapsody of Blood, a pbta about exploring a cursed castle and slaying monsters. The very specific boss fight mechanics were amazing for making them exciting with very little effort.
Personally, my 5e combats are real interesting if I, as a DM, don't use monster sheets. Forces me to roleplay the action. Ask questions, think about stuff around the world is reacting to combat. Affect said combat with said stuff around the world. Makes my players roleplay. Makes me roleplay. I can still make the monster sheets, study them, be inspired by them, reference them, but boy o boy if I use them in combat I become like my players, just thinking about abilities, looking at numbers. In my PC I have a quick damage table, do +-1,2,3 to those to make it "random" and I'm good. Fake a "dice roll click" from my computer and keep the action going.
@@pseudolimao You're right that the sheets are a big part of the problem. So many monsters have the same "makes two attacks: one claw and one bite" even down to the name and damage. It's uninspired and boring. Monsters with more diverse abilities, actual strategies and distinct ways of fighting can force the players to adapt and change their own strategies. Do be careful though of completely shutting down players.
This is a great point, you have to teach your players to use this stuff too, especially if they are new, I had a player try to sneak into a goblin encampment only to make noise coming down the wall alerting a nearby goblin, goblin swings at him disengages and runs screaming to his buddies to alarm the camp, player takes a nearby torch throws' it into the goblins tents lighting them on fire and just so happens to dash into the room with the goblin boss, he surprises the boss got lucky cuts him in two, then decides to step out of the cave and throw the boss's upper torso directly into the small horde of 5 goblins they freak out as their base is on fire and their boss dead and run. It was an epic encounter, bring emotion into your combat its a very real thing.
0:13 You forgot that the Goblins Surprise the level 1 party according to the book. That means its a 5 minute encounter for a normal party because they're level 1. I really don't think the Goblin Ambush is a good example at all even if one of the players have a big passive perception, it's 4 goblins and it's the first encounter. That is a very fast fight with player focus fire. 7:11 The goblin can't use the scroll because it doesn't have the correct spell list. This is cheating. The players will call you out for it especially if they're level 1.
I'm back, I can watch the rest. 8:37 This is fine but it can corner you in the future. That might not be a big deal for a liberal DM. The thing is if you as a DM come up with something creative like ale + lantern and use it against your players to create burning hands, then you're teaching the players that they can do this. On the surface, this isn't a bad thing exactly but you as a DM shouldn't have done this. The reason why is because if the players do anything remotely creative down the line like you did and you say no, then you've shot yourself in the foot, it's very unfair to the players. If I did this to my players and they learned about the Ale + lantern combo then they would all do that throughout the whole campaign because the goblins have like 7 hp and they come in numbers. Free spamable AOE burning hands for everyone will meme on the Phandelver campaign. I can't shut that down because I did it to them, even if I only did it once in the campaign. The players should have naturally discovered this and be rewarded for their creativity once. 9:50 Character builds make combat move faster because you understand your progression, features and spells. Everything is mapped out. You spent time on learning what your character can do. I don't understand how learning the rules and learning what your character can do "sucks". This is a very bad take. Like no wonder you think combat sucks. It makes it sound like you're against players learning the game and I don't think I'm wrong, you literally made up the scroll rules in this video.
Didn’t expect when I was looking through the comments for someone I agreed with to spot a Kobold! What’s crazy is how the video is about combat being to complicated and taking to long and the solution is making a bunch of rulings that aren’t supported by the rules so what are you going to write down every “creative” spell effect someone makes and bog down gameplay? The players should simply learn how their characters operate and how to effectively and efficiently use them in combat to win in a timely matter that’s just good manners honestly if I play Monopoly with someone and it takes them 5 minutes to take a turn I’m not playing with them again 😂
The game starts when you plan the trip. The players decide how they move in formation during the trip. They can decide they have a point man up front, then that bloke spots the horses before the cart is in the goblin's field of fire. You can have dudes with muskets riding in the cart looking out on the sides. They might have a chance to spot something. A goblin MU isn't odd, it depends on how common you want magic-users to be. We have sprinkled little level 1-3 clerics and MUs in monster ranks. They might not have the worst spells but a dude tossing Sleep on your horses can ruin things.
The discussion of "toys" in combat is really good advice. I used to always love running games for new players, as they would instinctively try to interact with the environment and use it dynamically in combat and I noticed that "experienced" players were more likely to just cast a spell or use the attack action. (generalization, does not apply to all) I find your framing of "toys" is a really thought provoking concept, and that maybe it isn't really new players vs experienced, but rather do I design combats with interesting environments, and reward players for engaging with it or not. Same story w/ RP mid combat. Great video :)
Thank you! I think names really do evoke a sense of mindfulness when it comes to game design. What I'm saying in this video isn't revolutionary: make your game world dynamic, even the combats. But the words dynamism or emergent elements don't have that same sense of discovery & "play" that toys do. And yes, I agree that most new players are more creative than most experienced players. They see the world in their heads while GaMeRs see the world in their character sheet.
In regards to your thumbnail: Exploration in 5e also doesn't really have much to it lol, so i guess it sucks too in the sense that there isn't meat on the bone. And, roleplay is ultimately something that exists outside of the 5e mechanics themselves, especially when basically no one uses Insperation lol. Anyways, pay me no mind lol, just overanalzing a thumbnail.
Basically, the "TL:DR" version is: 1) Speed, & 2) improvisation ...two things that.. honestly does not work particularly well together. Think outside the box! the world is your oyster! But you only have 30-60 seconds to do it or your autonomy is wasted this turn with your action defaulted to a set action determined by the GM. This style of combat is definitely more difficult to pull-off in practice. Easiest style is what is commonly imagined; very laid with players being silly, goody, just having fun in the moment. The more "try-hard" style is when players start min-maxing their characters, putting a lot of time outside-of-combat to maximize their characters potential in-combat. This is the kind of players that I believe would actually like the turn-timer. The more improvisation-focused approach to combat is definitely a style of combat that I personally would like to lean more towards, but it is promoting a different 'kind' of play than the min-maxing, turn-timer style of "difficult-mode" style of D&D combat. And the most difficult would be to try to implement both styles at the same time. At the right table with the right, experienced players, it could lead to amazing results with fast paced, inventive combat that blends strategy, tactical thinking, outside-the-box improvisation and in-combat role-play... But it's definitely gonna take some time for players and the GM to get used to it.
rushing players is bound to cause frutration, playing a more rules-light or just narrative focused system would probably be more advisable if one wants to resolve combat faster on the other hand making the field of combat more interactive is a great mmethod, it might take a bit longer to prepare and a bit of a bummer when players end up ignoring some points it leads to great moments - a tip on this is that DMG has a table for improvising damage and to be aware that the level up curse WILL diminish this if left to Rules as Written
Every 5e DM has an internal clock that slowly ticks down to the day they realize they hate running the system and want to play anything but D&D for once.
I totally agree! I’m making a roguelike campaign and I’m making all the battle maps. I try to stuff as many intreating environmental obstacles or objects that can be used both by and against the players. This campaign has them fighting their way down the layers of hell and some examples of these things I’ve put in is as follows. Lava/spike/deep pits, explosive crystals, random magic items that a random imp might scoop up, spiked walls, traps, magical darkness areas, ice patches and water filled sections, and so many CLIFFS man just having some sort of change of elevation spices up so much when you flipping use it. Also I have custom throwing rules so you bet that huge monster is going to attempt to pick up a PC and try to yeet them at one another or into dangerous environments. I even have modifiers that monsters can get that change how you have to deal with them such as creatures that have less health but more damage, monsters that explode when they die and sometimes loot goblins that will attempt to flee combat but have big rewards. this is a roguelike after all.. i want to keep it interesting even if you are coming back over and over again. hell im even adding special actions that players will unlock as they beat key bosses. new powers anyone can use. like a custom move Slamming and the healing surge from the DMG… feewww anyway theres my rant also if you cant tell im excited to run this adventure im making.
bro I'm doing the same thing rn, mine is called "Conquer Hell", I haven't started the mapping yet as I've never mapped anything before any advice? Also, how are you handling your roguelike, for me I'm making it more of a rogue-lite there are 9 levels of hell and the PCs need to conquer all of them either through brute force or making deals with the devils in exchange for more power as to not just make it a combat only game. Also, when they die they don't restart because if only one player dies that's just kinda fucked and makes them useless, it's more so they lose one Lvl so it still punishes death but doesn't prevent recovery. If they die too many times and hit Zero they go to the abyssal plane and turn into monstrosities either that or they get stuck in Limbo and are lost for eternity idk which I'm going with yet. Thoughts?
@@anthonydeperino2046 awesome! I have only set out 4 layers of hell that need to be fought through. 5 encounters plus one boss per and honestly Hades is where I’m taking a good bit of inspiration from when it comes to the layout of it all. There will be 24 encounters that need to be beaten that include the final boss to well win. When players hit 0 they instantly die so no yo-yo healing. They get a short rest after each boss and no long rests. Once everyone dies or chooses to get called back to water deep then they get resurrected by the arch wizard of water deep that sent them on this mission in the first place. And yes this takes place in water deep so after a run or before one you have the whole city to explore or even go on an expedition outside the city if you so choose. You will have plenty of people to talk to and the more progress you make the more NPC’s come to aid you which you get perma buffs from with the amount of gold you will be getting which is a lot. Loot heavy game and I got many tables I’ll be rolling on. I really want to push the idea that you can take a break from hell rushing and you get to explore and roleplay all you want outside of hell again think of Hades how you talk to a bunch of people when you get back
@@omegadragonRandom thats a great idea, having a home base area for RP and other things is something i will incorporate into mine, thanks. but what if once they die in hell the PC's just fuck around in the overworld and ignore hell?
@@anthonydeperino2046 Oh I didn't mention WHY they are going into hell. Its a simple story to grasp so basically Zariel is forming an army to take over the material plane. So they are trying again and again to stop her by infiltrating hell. Sure they can still just run off and while these are newer players they are my friends and I can at least calmy explain to them to go through with the story I created for them to play through. I wont completely force them but hopefully everyone has respect for another and the game will go on smoothly.
Regarding Initiative, the Initiative Score rules (Chapter 9 in the DMG) are great. I use them pretty frequently and it lets you seamlessly jump into combat. Regarding "toys," he's on the right track. Xanathar's Guide to Everything has guidelines on traps and that's a great framework for making these "toys" as he describes them. Like, a goblin doing _burning hands_ from a mundane bottle of ale is probably a little much and basically means everybody will start doing that regularly. Because if a goblin can do it, why don't other people do it too? But a goblin doing a 10-ft line of 1d6 fire that way? That's more reasonable and more dynamic. *_Again: that's Chapter 2: Traps Revisited in Xanathar's Guide to Everything._* It's also great to resolve improvised player actions, like dropping a chandelier onto several enemies and whatnot. I highly recommend it.
I agree with everything but the time limit, since in the end that'll just encourage players to fall into the "doing one thing every single turn" cycle rather than encouraging them to think before their turn. Maybe it works for Mr. Deficient, though, but it would destroy my table.
I make the players roll the attack roll of the monsters. 1. It makes them active even when its not their turn. 2. It represents that while AC is a passive number defense for the character is a very active and important thing.
Rolling more dice is not a way to be involved in a skirmish. The players act as one, there is no special spotlight. If you have an idea you just say it. Any time I play an MU, I do what the other players suggest half the time.
Whether we played D&D 4e, or the 13th Age game we're doing now, 95% of the time we spend playing is spent in combat encounters. And that's OKAY! This is because we realized long ago that combat doesn't have to be time spent separately from role playing, storytelling and character development. We do all these things WHILE we're rolling the dice to smash monsters. No matter what system we're using, whether the combat is free form theater of the mind or tons of measuring and crunching numbers, we still role play, tell stories and invent and use new things about our characters' personalities while we fight.
I like the skirmish aspect where you act as one section against an opposing section. With no spotlight on individual heroism, so you can all take part in the job of whacking those gits.
Dude, the editing in this video is SOOO fun! I usually really love the fun camera tricks you do, but the visuals you added to this video felt so fresh and yet still distinctly your style.
I would love any tips on theater of the mind combat. I greatly prefer it to speed up the game, but it comes with obvious cons, especially when there’s a disconnect between what the DM imagines and what the players imagine.
Awesome video. 👍 Just discovered this channel, and I’m loving the information, along with the tone and witty banter. Very entertaining. I had a question about the maps. They’re very clear and evocative, especially the temple at time stamp 6:37. Where did you get these maps from? I must know… And please make more videos like this. 👍
When it comes to timing player turns to speed up combat, I've found it more helpful to reward fast turns rather than punishing slow turns. So if a player decides on what they will do in let's say 15 seconds, they get one of these bonuses; +1 to one attack roll/spell save DC/ability check, or + 10 ft of movement. Note I said decides on their action, not complete all the rolling and etc in that time, don't need to be timing people's math abilities. Yeah this will change the balance a little but I think it's worth it.
I'm not going to punish or reward my mates for having fun. 15 seconds would cut into valuable time for looking up eels, asking questions about doors, looking at the map and roleplaying. Adding more calculations to a problem caused by too much calculation sounds odd. Remove abilities you and the crew dislike. Streamline the process a lot more so resolving a shotgun is quick.
My dm decided to become the giant rock golem that we needed to take down. He put sticky notes on his body for the “weak points” while we had to constant dodge and move around to avoid attacks and grapples. It made a nice push and pull to the encounter that gave it a fresh spin.
D&D 4e arguably has one of the more involved and time-consuming combat systems that D&D has ever had ... read some about that you'll come up with tons of time saving techniques from grouping like monsters to using average damage without rolling, to doing away with the DM Screen, using an initiative tracker and having enemy stat block transparency to handing off some of the number tracking and record keeping to the players.
Problem is, if you rule something like 'ale burping fire' doing something as minor Burning Hands. Guess what the PCs are gonna bring with them and do *all the time?* Of course if you don't allow them to repeat creative moves that will instead feel unfair. An other problem is that interacting with the environment becomes less and less useful the higher level you play at. A bag of flour, or a cooking cauldron of oil, or even caving in part of the environment, will never be as useful as an 8th grade spell for example.
That's why it's just better to switch to another system, if you find the combat-oriented game lacking its combat aspect and most of the enemies look like damage sponges to you. Try Savage Worlds for example. Instead of vague HP bars that represent "willingness to fight" you have an actual wound system, which makes every mistake more important for the battle and makes combat more dinamic and fast
To be honest, combat kinda sucking is part of the reason I stopped running DND and switched my play group to dungeon world. Not only does DND combat take way too long. But most of the time it also fails to compound into the rest of the campaign. Even in the most thematic of campaigns, my PC's killing two wearwolves outside of the big bad evil gothic mansion usually has no impact on the rest of the game at all. Except for maybe expending a couple spell slots or something. The problem is that the whole rest of the game needs the combat to make rewards function
Boy, this is a tactical combat game. 95% of its content is focused on combat. Like most d20 systems (Pathfinder, Star Wars etc). If you want more narrative and quick combat - pick PbtA (Dungeon World for DnD like experience) instead of housuruling DnD to the death. If you want exploration and dungeon crawl - pick OSR rpg. Etc You just picked wrong rpg and complaining about its mechanics - the one that suprisingly work ok. Beside of the trash rest. Why DnD combat is long? Because it’s boring. I can assure you that Pathfinder combat is even longer but with more tactical dept and customization - it’s not boring. It’s very engaging even if 6 second in game is 0,5 hour in real time. But if you want 2 minutes combat - just picked other rpg, seriously.
Have you thought about doing some episodes talking about other systems and how people can take mechanics from them? Systems like Cairn and Crown & Skull are pretty cool! Love the videos!
I'm running a game for my youngers cousins (12 to 21) and my gf after not playing for two years (cyberpunk red kind of took over my usual group) You sir are my hero for helping work on the things about dnd that I disliked. Please keep up the great work!
You mentioned you'd have some people comment alternative systems to DnD 5e but I can't find any - I would really love something sorta similar to 1e but a *bit* more advanced.
Playing an Oath of Glory Paladin that tries to pull shenanigans like tying a ropers arms together instead of mindlessly using great weapon master. Most fun I've ever had playing DnD.
I kind of like how the timer before default attack kind of encouraged the player to grow alongside their character. As your character levels up, you as a player need to also become more familiar with what they can do. a novice is more likely to just do a basic attack, and I think that represents a players indecisiveness well. Though I think a big time sink is asking questions during your turn. Can I use this ability to do that, how far away is it, did it already use its reqction? that kind of stuff
@@gunnellagann Too many rules, I don't want to red LoTR trilogy worth of rules and spend 20 minutes doing nothing because DM is looking up what rules are for fishing
@@realdragon there are many rules yes, but the rules are so well crafted and connected that are basically logical blocks that you link together when applying rules. That's how a good game system is made, lots of rules that are easy to apply and remember, stop defending dnd 5e
@@gunnellagann Lmao when I was "defending" 5e? You're getting offended because I don't like many rules Just because you think it's better system it doesn't mean everybody else will like it more just like you. It is little more subjective and for me pathfinder is worse because of that
8:44 When I first saw this setup as an original 3.5 player going into 5e for the first time I saw the oil and just lit the goblins on fire. It showed the other players that you can be a lot more creative with what is around you.
I don't really understand. You seem to claim combat is "lacking complexity" or something that exploration and social possess. But objectively, exploration and social are total after thoughts in dnd, a skirmish combat simulator. You have 3 one word sentence skills for social. You have 1 (arguably 2-3) for exploration. There's basically no written rules for this in most modules, and it's all left to the fiat of the DM when your single persuasion role is enough to convince the local grizzled war veteran onto your size or if it will require multiple checks over multiple days. By contrast, combat has like...literally 90+% of the actual game mechanics.
That thumbnail is kind of sad. I consider 5e a completely combat centric RPG. The progression of the classes is almost entirely oriented towards combat. There is so little game design around roleplaying and exploration that it can be disregarded without missing out much. If you want an RPG with simple and fast combat where those three elements are balanced in terms of time and tension, is hacking 5e really a good solution? There are thousands of RPGs out there that aren't centered in combat. I know that hacking it can give good results, but I find it so tiring as a DM, the constant progression, the bonded accuracy, the constant scaling of HP and damage just make it so hard to run the game in any way other than intended. And designing new "toys" gets harder and harder as the characters do more and more each turn and the enemies have so much HP that they can jump twice from the Burj Khalifa and still be in fighting condition.
This!! So far I've done abit to change combat. But spell effects weekend for cool ideas is so good! Flour = small fog cloud Spitting oil with fire = 1d4 burning hands Adding non magical "spell like" effects is such a fun idea!
0:24 well, actually there would be a surprise round. I would probably do a perc check to see if anyone sees the goblins to give them an opportunity to react first.
I kinda remember in DOS2 you could defer your turn until later in the round, which resulted in you permanently going to the end of the turn order (until someone did the same) but it was fun tactically. I've considered doing the same for my own table.
I think trying to speed up combat or force players to move quickly is a dumb idea, especially if you have new players or someone is just trying something new for once instead of making the God Damn SAME ELDRITCH BLAS- uh well you get what I mean, doing combat like this doesn't make the game more fun it makes the players want to pick easy to remember options and just slash shit. Basically if you're playing with the mindset of rushing your players it's not gonna be fun for anyone involved. If you want to make combat moment more interesting, and I mean interesting not quick, try adding a secondary objective like "there's a hostage you could save" or "the walls of the dungeon start closing in and if you must get to the other side of the room past the horde of skeletons to stop it" or "as you're fighting the bandits you notice one trying to get away from the combat and he's carrying a chest and is getting the other bandits to block you from him so he can get away".
@@MarcioLiaoThanks! Turns out a couple of em just had other stuff going on. We had a session on Friday and everyone showed up except for one guy because he was busy camping. I think the break from playing helped, and we had some gas roleplay moments. Regardless, thank you for taking the time to give me advice; I should’ve checked the replies to this comment sooner; That advice would’ve helped a lot had I noticed it.
3:00 but the problem IS encounter design, a well designed encounter is gonna feel good even if you run the actual combat part exactly the same (as in 6:00, which imo is the more important lesson here) timers, foreshadowing combat, additional complications, extra resources on the battlefield etc. once you start running fun combat, players don't disengage and the whole thing speeds itself up
It's really funny to me that D&D combat is so shitty when combat is both the most mechanically in-depth system in D&D and what it was originally based around (Chainmail was functionally a wargame). Stuff like persuading people or intimidating them are mechanically very simplistic (and that would be in the 'roleplay' camp). They're binary pass/fail rolls in D&D RAW. There aren't mechanics like mixed successes found in games like Vampire The Masquerade and Blades in the Dark. Stuff like crit successes/fails are house rules, not RAW. You don't get "exploding dice" mechanics like Kids on Brooms/Kids on Bikes and their hacks where you can have a hot streak that means your character is doing increasingly well, either. But, instead, people complain about the combat because it's such a slog and isn't fun... despite how much the game is designed around combat lol.
I ran the Cellar of Death yesterday for my friends and wanted to try out your advice. In the first room of the dungeon, players encounter two skeletons. As written, the fight is pretty basic, with the only terrain feature being a 15-foot ledge where the skeletons start out. To spice it up, I brainstormed three "toys" to add to the scene: stalactites, black mushrooms, and a chain connecting the two skeletons. 1. *Stalactites* - The cave ceiling is covered with these brittle formations. I hinted at their instability by describing one skeleton hitting a stalactite directly above a player, noting that one more hit would bring it down. This gave players the idea that they could use the stalactites against the skeletons. 2. *Black Mushrooms* - These mushrooms grow all across the cave. When hit, they release a cloud of black spores, creating an obscured area for 1 round. 3. *Chain* - I decided the skeletons would be tied together with a chain, thinking it might lead to some imaginative interactions from the players. Here’s how it all played out: I started the scene with one skeleton lowering the other down the ledge using the chain so it could engage in melee. The fighter rushed down to attack the melee skeleton but missed - so I narrated that he struck a mushroom instead, causing a spore cloud to form around him and the skeleton. The priest then used Turn Undead, but only the skeleton on the ledge could see her. It failed its saving throw and was forced to flee, but because it was chained to the other skeleton, things got complicated! Now the players switched tactics, aiming to break the chain so the turned skeleton could escape. They succeeded, and as soon as the chain was broken, the fleeing skeleton moved away from the ledge and bolted out of sight. Meanwhile, the melee skeleton attacked with disadvantage due to the spores but still managed to knock out the fighter. At that point, I reminded the players about the stalactite above the skeleton, prompting the mage to use Magic Missile to bring it crashing down, dealing 2d8 damage. The skeleton was nearly destroyed but still standing. Finally, they used a grappling hook to attach it to the remaining chain, pinning the skeleton to the cave wall and bringing the fight to an end. Adding just a few extra “toys” transformed the battle into a dynamic, creative scene. The whole combat felt so much more alive!
D&D combat needs a reversion to 3.5E style. The reduction in player options was an atrocious design choice, as is the general lack of meaningful modifiers.
What I love about your videos is that not only do these make me feel more prepared as a DM to make my games more fun, but they also encourage me to see where I can improve and make the game more fun for me as a player.
That "giving out toys" thing is exactly what I'm doing in my own game. I've given a homebrew assassin a rechargable poison strike that deals an additional 1d4 damage but inflicts poison for an hour on a failed CON save. They can also throw a vial of the Malice poison once per day if needed, which will be very fun Edit: I will eventually give my players some toys. Not yet, but soon.
Well this is kind of on you too. In your intro you started combat with "4 goblins appear." Which is way too late and way too much info given. It should've started with "what appears to be two horses laying on the ground block the road ahead." Right here you've already put some players on high alert. And by start combat I don't mean roll initiative, I mean this is the moment when the encounter starts and meaningful actions start to be taken by the players, like looking more intently at the horses (thus getting the info that the are filled with black arrows), looking for ambushers, readying weapons etc. When a player looking spots the 4 short figures, now roll initiative. The point of this is there's a lot of what you like in the exploration and role playing to be had in combat too, rather than trying to rush into (and out of) it with "4 goblins appear", you can make combat an immersive experience too. I said this was kind of on you too and not only one you.
I actually agree with the "u no member save? u no cast spell" thing. The biggest reason people don't learn what their spells or abilities do is _THEY DON'T HAVE TO._ Make them have to. Seriously. Stop babying your players.
Damn dude - another banger video! Thanks for making this. I really appreciate your perspective, analysis, and even delivery on these topics. Before long, you will be one of the most subscribed D&D channels on this platform, I guarantee it! Looking forward to the next video!
Some tricks I use to speed up combat: *Pre-rolled enemy initiative: Especially for planned encounters. If I know my players are likely to run into a few impromptu encounters, I have a few logged dice rolls in advance that I plug in as initiative numbers. Not precise, but does it really have to be? *Phased combat: Yeah, it's an optional rule mentioned in the DMG, but it does give combat a slightly more familiar tactical feel like Fire Emblem. Great if your players come from a more video-gamey background or appreciate that aspect of turn-based tactical rpgs. *Helter-skelter combat: My name for a bit more of a randomized approach within the Phased combat model. On my players' turn, there is no internal initiative. They go whenever they have an idea of they want to do. Yes, this sets up a bit of stepping on each others' toes from time to time, but it also sets up some great moments for synergy. AND it *constructively* encourages players to get their plans in order. I also like that it plays a bit more to the verisimilitude of the 'chaos' of battle. Again, not perfect, but great ways to organically speed up combat and help your players think a bit more strategically (which generally enhances engagement!) and helps make combat a bit less of a slog.
Maybe just maybe, if you think the system you are using that is mostly centered around combat is bad at combat, it might be time to look at other ttrpgs system
0:12 I ran the starter set with this encounter first, i choose to hold back two of the goblins to attack halfway through combat. One of my players a rogue called Rogu wanted to sneak away and go around to take out the other goblins. He bumped into the other goblins ran getting hit by both opportunity attacks. I describe as everyone else would see Rogu run from the woods screaming only to be snipped by an arrow. In one session my second session of ever being a DM i nearly killed a player within 5 minutes of starting. Rogu should have died but i let him live. Though i kinda regret doing it would have made the story all the more hilarious.
To be honest, even as someone who uses 5e a lot, I'm not sure it CAN be made fast. I have always been using group initiative, using a 1min timer, average damage for monsters, ect. and it still seems to drag a lot, even when something very goofy happens- Like the players setting a werewolf on fire wile their friend was pinned beneath it. Might try the damage dice thing as well, when everyone has more experience- the player with the mod die to roll (Rouge, natch) is the lest experienced . edit: Any advice for toy when the monsters would be dumber than the average goblin? I think spiders would know how to abuse web traps, but what about a zombie or a wolf?
The examples of simpler monsters you gave are tough ones to showcase toys. Lemme give it a shot though. For Zombies I'd make them the toy, as in a horde of dozens or even hundreds of them as a shambling crowd that if touched, you're probably a goner. They can be used as sort of a living, moving wall as well. Thing is, they're REALLY distracted by the closet thing, so if you can convince the hoard to pursue your enemy instead, it's almost like using a dungeon trap against the monsters. Wolves I might give the alpha a toy in the form of them being able to speak. They apologize profusely about having to eat one of you, but if they let you go the rest of the pack will turn against them, so it's either them or you, so sorry!
For wolves, get literal with toys. The bones of their kills litter this battlefield... Oh? You want the bone? Gooooo GET IT! A quick Animal Handling check and now you have an entire new ally on the party's side
Suggestion house rule for environment toys in combat. Give the players one free environment action per encounter to interact with something in their environment (yes, including an attack with something in their environment that would normally require a regular action)
I love having everyone roll damage dice with their attack roll to save time. I also will tell them the AC of the opponents. I like the idea of using toys to spice things up in role play. *cough* We are still talking about D&D, right? Anyhow, another great video!
Making initiative go around the table, consolidating all one’s attacks into a single roll of all the dice and making movement close/near/far/too far has done wonders for our combat pace
@@gorgit He means damage and attack dice. Also, clarifying with players that cover exists is helpful in moves too. Rarely do they not jump behind it for that AC buff.
Personally don't like that system or any system that sacrifices initiative rolls. Initiative roles aren't just a meaningless stop gap, they're a game mechanic. • They add variety to the turn order • They ensure that turns from both sides are broken up between each other so that one side can't get absolutely swarmed • They give an advantage to faster characters or characters that have particular abilities that improve their initiative roles (Like the Alert Feat) If you don't take into consideration all of these things when substituting the initiative system you're losing a lot, and rolling initiative is FAR from the most time-consuming part of combat anyway. I'm experimenting with a group initiative system where party members go on the same turn to combo in the one shot I'm DMing in a few days, but I spent quite a long time trying to balance those conceits to ensure that the core purpose of the initiative system remained. Here's what I did: A: Allied groups still roll initiative, but it's now a single die for the entire faction in the combat using the average of their mods. You still get that variety and you still have a reason to drop into initiative. B: To ensure you can't be swarmed by multiple forces going one after the other you have an option to take a reaction to hold your whole turn to go immediately after another later placement in the turn order that round so that you can put yourself between them and break up the enemy actions. (The vanilla Ready Action also helps with this, being it's more limited with what you can do due to not being a full turn, in exchange for being able to happen *during* enemy turns)
Re speeding up the game I kinda like default actions however, I'd let a player set a default action from a short list, like Dodge, Attack, Specific Cantrip vs most recent or nearest if it's offensive.
This problem is one I am also looking to solve. I'm currently working on a pen and paper game where combat is based on shonen style anime fights. The purpose is to give the players more emotion impact and improve the flow of combat. Mechanically it's will be a combination of willpower (earned through role playing their characters motivations), environment, and having bigger combats function in phases which when shifted will trigger events that give the players more willpower and change the environment. It's loosely based on the Mythic characters from Pathfinder but is meant to focus more of the player characters development as a tool for new abilities.
I may not be a DM anymore, do not have the attention soan necessary for it, this video has given me the push I needed to start thinking creatively in combat as a player, as well as the character idea for a fighter based around using the environment to your advantage
Currently browsing The Wildsea and it has great rules for dynamic combat. Every Hazard (be it a combat or some obstacle) is represented by tracks. All tracks together are the whole health pool of that Hazard but they are also different aspects of it. Pinwolves for example could have a track for their "teeth" and one for their "swiftness". Every time the players attack the creature they deal damage which marks a box on a track. So If a character decides to punch the wolf, that will mark one box with their "teeth" aspect. If they do it enough times (usually three to six) the wolf will lose it's aspect, making it unable to bite your players. Alternatively a hazards track could be dependent on the groups tactics. A tree tall leviathan could have a track like "blind the beast" after the players decided they want to affect it in this way and another track labeled "flee" always getting marked when they are closer to getting out of harm's way. Monster's health bars and stats can be made up on the spot like that in no time and always fit the narrative fiction.
Awesome video as always! My DM usually does this thing within combat where just hefore he makes an attack as the enemy, he allows all of us a chance to move to try to dodge, using whatever movement we had leftover. Though we cant perfectly predict how he's going to attack, its pretty cool to get some chance of not immediately all out dying (coming from someone who is playing a squishy warlock)
I see a This Old Tony video in my feed, I click it. This is a new angle, and I appreciate it. Sort of out there on the sidelines, along with the pruning videos. Strange interest overlap, though, like that one time Matt Colville made a Running The Game video wearing an AvE t-shirt.
My CoS GM had a soft counter. This meant he was kinda tolerant - if your time was out but you said you knew what your action was abs only had to check the distance for 2 sec, he'd allow it. Plus our spellcasters more or less all had a default strategy, same for our martials.
Very little will make players not do the optimal thing alas. The trick to make it better is make environment interactions and clever ideas truly worth it and also getting good at running combat quickly. While I get the complaint I don't find any of the proposed solutions useful.
Will definitely use the toys in my next encounter. My two cents on this issue, is to hand out my reactions to both PCs and enemies, tweak them a bit to the characters class fantasy, and they will feel the need to pay more attention during combat.
Great video and fantastic tips! Timers, knowing abilities, and environmental interaction really elevate combat. Here are 5 quick tips to add: 1. Pre-roll initiative; 2. Encourage quick decision-making; 3. Leverage AOE spells/effects; 4. Simplify enemy health; 5. Use group checks for similar enemies. These can further streamline combat and keep the action exciting. Thanks for sharing your insights!
Group initiative for both the PCs and monsters make things smoother. I don't need to individually count when everyone acts. You are one skirmish against another skirmish.
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Pathfinder goblins beat 5e goblins any day of the week.
I see your cheeky hidden text and raise you the Eventyr Goblins
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I'm actually writing my *own* TTRPG system, & while I won't go into specifics so no-one *steals* the idea, I've already written & in a way *play tested* a custom combat system I designed for it that's designed *specifically* to make combat faster paced, more dynamic, cinematic & interesting, *&* allow all the players to *meaningfully* participate; & according to my play test, it actually works *really* well.
Honestly, the most obvious solution to _hit it until it stops hitting back_ is just to have different win conditions
Yeah, especially because that’s kinda just how an armed fight goes in real life too.
In the case where a basic attack is not an available action, the dodge action is a good option. I think I got that from the DM Lair. It worked wonders, also I found utilizing Keith Ammann's The Monsters Know What They're Doing immensely helpful. The fights instantly became more dynamic.
Approve of both, for added sense of believability is The Monsters Know What They're Doing a blessing, just don't go overboard with the efficiency when your players expect high epic heroic fantasy so that they don't receive a gritty realism as goblins totally massacre them... Yeah, totally didn't happen to me, so, you know, just be careful XD
Sometimes Dodge is the best option too. A lot of new players don't feel like they are doing anything unless they are making attacks
@@kdaviper the first time I played, I played a centaur fighter. Trample, lance, sword, second wind, disengage and bow. Is a very deadly combination.
At lvl 5, I destroyed everything in my path. My DM had made a deal with me, that the lance would break after use, so that I had to take a long rest for repair. As dropping it for using the sword and taking it up to charge the next victim, was to powerful.
In the next campaign, I played a human nobleman and had to learn the hard way, how combat really is.
@justvibing4796 yes, that was annoying. Could not enter any building. But my DM allowed me to use that time for "Repair" and other stuff.
The centaur had Charisma 8 and a modifier of -1, but he did horrible things in encounters with foes, so that my horrified DM gave me advantage based on the centaur's actions.
Throwing heads and threaten the enemy to be the next, does cause some morale issues among bandits.
I was the oldest of the group with 19 years. And I have an extensive knowlage of ancient and medieval warfare. So I acted like some celtic or greek champion. Proud, boastful, loud. And an asshole, based on the low charisma.
The best thing was, when the centaur laid siege to an entire bandit settlement for three days, on his own.
Devil's argument take for using environment: as often ruled, it's worse than just attacking. Throw a barrel of sand at an enemy for 1d4 improvised weapon damage, or use your Extra attack to make two greatsword 2d6 damage attacks. At level 1, the disruptancies is small, but the higher level you get, the less interesting using terrain becomes. I'd wager most DMs also ask for an Athletics check to pick up the sand barrel, and perhaps with disadvantage too because it's so unwieldy. Oh, and two turns worth of actions: one to pick it up and another to actually throw it. - Or again, use your greatsword, as usual.
It took me a game like Blades in the Dark to internalize this, but REWARD YOUR PLAYERS FOR THE THINGS YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPENING IN THE GAME!
Instead, I would houserule it as "the first time a battlefield toy is used as part of the attack, you deal regular weapon damage, and you gain Inspiration." So that barrel deals 2d6 damage for you, same as your greatsword attack so it's not penalized, and is only one attack of your set of Extra attacks. Because you used the barrel and created an awesome fiction, you gain a bonus.
Balance: only the first time, it's boring to use the same battle over and over, but it's interesting to use new toys all the time. I'm only giving Inspiration for the thing I want to see.
Still too broken? Introduce the next rule: "This counts for enemies too. When they use toys for the first time, the DM gains Inspiration."
I generally let the environment be destructible and allow 3/4 cover to give the Evasion ability. You see Barbarians ripping out doors and running at enemy archers and spellcasters very often because of the buff to AC and Dex saves.
Or just give said actions certain benefits, you throw the barrel and the enemy is knocked prone, or you have advantage on the attack, or the shit inside the barrel was lamp oil and now you can lit the enemy on fire if you have a fire source nearby (or one of your companions casts fire bolt on the enemy)
Giving help with the environment can usually extend to just more than stat boosts
Yeah apply status effects and make them matter. That high level mage is less effective if they can’t see, speak or maybe even hear if their face is covered in the muck you threw at their head. Sure they have ways around that but true of any damage dealing and the damage dealing is rarely anything that directly hinders their round to round combat effectiveness or actions
Or just ignore the damage rules and scale it with your PCs in a way it's always a good option, but never OP. I also sometimes let the PC convince me of what skill they should use and describe how they use that skill for the action.
It's hard for me to understand the question. Players understand that two groups fighting eachother in a small apartment where you are both stuck together is awful. They know the first one through the door must not stand there and block the others. Or that a group of dudes with pistols are much less threatening when you're the one with a rifle shooting down a long corridor.
You must understand skirmish combat itself and how to manouver, not try to make up spot rules for flour sacks and chandeliers and stuff.
Flour sacks are the poor man's Detect Invisible. When I have accidentally dropped flour sacks they do not create all-obscuring dust clouds. But players can grasp that someone moving over the floor will leave trails, and that flour dust sticking to an invisible thing makes it stand out.
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My house rule is "No watching Ginny DI at the table."
She deserves your undivided attention.
i find her super annoying. feels like she is talking down to her viewers.
@@OiMouseboyyou have to remember there are dumb people like us who need things explained to us like we’re five to comprehend it
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I feel she fits into the self entitled semi-attractive white girl syndrome and like others, doesn't realize it.
To expound a bit, her fame and old content is cosplay, not DM ing. I respect her for not going down the dark path of OF, but she has a lot of pretty power and doesn't realize it? Like her wormwood table or her various sponsorships....
Her content isn't saying anything bad but it's super basic and stuff others said better, and she tries to project authority.
It all makes a package that comes across as extremely condescending and obnoxious but I feel she's actually just unaware and trying to be as nonthreatening as she can be....
If any of this makes sense.
You’ve got some good advice in here, but at least at my table, I really feel like trying to rush the players through complex mechanics is just a recipe for frustration. Sure, we want combat to feel more tense, but we want that stress to come from the threat that the enemies pose, not the threat of your turn getting cut short or simplified before you can meaningfully contribute because you didn’t think of something fast enough. The pressure of a timer in a game with so many mechanical elements sounds awful to me.
Besides, the reason that players are slow in the first place is because of the mechanics that they’re playing with; hurrying them along to make combat faster is like trying to get rid of the smoke without putting out the fire.
The honest truth is that a lot of this advice won't actually speed up play to a significant degree, though the spreadsheet based character sheet might if your players all have access to a computer during game, which mine don't. Everything else will actually slow it down more because now there's more things on the table happening and now there are more options to consider. As for anything where you're trying to force players into higher speeds for decision making, good luck with that, especially if you're trying to recruit new people to your group.
@@Argonnosi if ur an playing with experienced players, it should not take over a minute to decide what you are going to do. You don't need to roll any dice, but at least say what ur plan is. Obviously there are exceptions like if they need more info from the dm
@@samirstrasser3262 It's been a very long time since I've played DnD, so maybe this is a DnD thing, 'cause it's never taken my players more than a minute to figure out what they're doing once they know the rules. Most of the time my players know what they're doing before their turn even comes up.
@@Argonnosi it's more of a table attentiveness thing. Some tables have people who just don't pay attention until it is there turn which makes them take longer than not. Adding the rule really just makes them have to pay attention to combat
@@samirstrasser3262 Then I guess I've just been luck with my players. But, it might still be the system. I couldn't imagine turning to look at my phone after I'm done with my action, ignoring the rolling of dice and then hearing someone tell me my character is dead while not paying attention.
This is one of the best videos on this subject ever produced. The examples, animation, and editing is perfect. When I see a video like this I think, "Damn. I gotta raise my game." Keep making videos. You are going to have 100k subs in no time. --Professor DM, DungeonCraft.
Wow. He signs his comments as if he's not one of the most influential UA-camrs for both my channel & my games.
Guess I'm gonna keep making videos!
I think a lot of players would be interested to know that a flour cloud does more than obscure vision ... it's highly flammable. Toss a torch into a flour cloud for a mini-fireball!
Yeah, dust bombs are scary.
I worked as an engineer at a factory where sugar was ground into a fine powder - caster sugar.
By law the sugar grinding room had to have blast walls and a soft top because if the sugar powder ever gets airborne, any tiny spark will trigger a massive explosion. The mandated design of the griding room channels any explosion upwards to blow off the soft roof - a relatively safe option compared to blowing the walls out and killing everyone in the factory.
Most people don't realise the actual danger when any powdered carbohydrate - like flour or sugar - gets airborne and meets a flame or spark!
The PCs can improvise a lot of weapons, it's simply easier for them to get an illegal balkan wars-era hand grenade. A bum can carry one sack of flour with some effort but can easily carry a bundle of hand grenades with little work.
One use for flour is a poor man's Detect Invisible. Anything moving on a flour-covered floor leaves tracks. Someone invisible coated in flour will be less so.
What if you let them find that out themselves? They may think about it or not, imagine a situation where they didnt really think about that before lighting a torch in flammable particles and end up lighting everything inside it on fire
Nice, somebody else thought of that.
A classic way to speed things up and add more of a feeling of simultaneity is to use group initiative combined with a "declaration phase". Back in the olden days, everyone in the party declared what they wanted to do, and then those declared actions were set in stone, and all actions were resolved in order of their type (movement, magic, ranged attack, melee attack). The idea was that everyone started acting at the same time, but different actions take longer than others.
If you want faster paced combat, this system significantly speeds everything up.
Exactly. Grouped initiative and the declaration phase not only speeds up combat, but it also encourages teamwork between the players since they will be acting together. And if the DM sets it up with enemies always declaring first, the players will be engaged in a reactive playstyle, not unlike pretty much the rest of the game where the DM presents a situation and asks for the player's input.
Since you mentioned the old days, this is not the only thing that made combat significantly faster back at the time... Things had much lower HP and died much faster, PCs included! It helped make combat something you wanted to avoid at least during the first few levels, so players were focused in acquiring treasure (which was the main source of XP in the old days as well)
Sadly, I do not know how 5E players can fix the bloated HP problem without having to tinker too much with the game's "balance" or something, honestly I would just suggest giving the old D&D editions a try, specially B/X or some of it's retroclones (Old School Essentials is great). I feel bad for those who are stuck playing 5e, having to homebrew everything to make the game have the slightest hint of fun...
@@leonardoaquino3669 opinion of my DM, however, is thus: tracking those actions is a pain
I'm kind of liking this!
The DMG has rules for this twice with one of them using rice and one flat scores for how fast something is.
The other one is in a UA.
Another very important thing: narration.
There's always two extremes at a table. Either the players just say "I attack; I cast X; oh, I'll activate favourite foe" and be done with it. The other extreme is always an epic description of what they're doing only to miss.
I was literally playing this encounter yesterday and we had a lot of fun because everyone at the table came up with really fun narration and roleplay in combat, but only AFTER seeing the dice roll. In fact there was a player who wanted to miss purely for roleplay (he also wanted this to happen to another player, that part was annoying). Because some of the guys were new and we were getting used to Foundry vtt, yeah, combat itself was too long at first, but once we got thing going it was probably one of the best "intro fights" I've had in quite some time
There's a reason Matt Mercer asks, "How do you want to do this," AFTER the attack resolves!
Wow, actively being a detriment to your team in a life or death scenario sure is “muh roleplay”!
The gang will fight ten zombies. I am not going to describe ten different variants of zombies being hit with a shotgun. I hate it when people refuse to move the game forward unless I describe the use of weapons.
Asking to miss an attack is a strange choice, because I will roll to hit for the cave bear. And the cave bear will try to eat your PC dead and then there's no story except the story of the cave bear encounter.
Of course, if it’s getting repetitive, you can skip the narration. That said, I think another way to fix that is for the narration to be on both sides. The dwarf berserker is going to move a lot differently than a human fencer; not just in crunch but in fluff. The GM can describe how the dwarf swings in wide, furious arcs that destroy bits of scenery while the human always seems to know exactly when and where their opponents’ guard has dropped. THEN the player can describe how they react to this. Maybe the rogue jumps over the dwarf’s knee-height cut to tackle him to the ground, or the fighter deliberately leaves an opening as a feint that the human falls for and overextends.
People occasionally say that a fight is a kind of dance, and they’re kinda right. It’s all about knowing what your partner is doing and reacting accordingly. It just so happens your goal is to make your partner fatally mess up.
@@alexstapleton6339 I tend to not narrate much. I want to do stuff, not listen to someone tell me how I do stuff.
Just to clarify with toys - they should be pinned down to situation/environment. Otherwise you risk all players having infinite burning hands.
Also, to fix boring attack actions, I'm using house rule, that players can attempt to make permanent injury on disadvantage. They state, what they want to do, I decide, what effect if has. This way I can balance so thrust into an eye can blind ogre, but for a boss, it will just make him dizzy. Now, my players are really creative with attacks, and it works especially well, if you house rule weak spots for your monsters. Or let players do it for you.
Sooooo, we're just not gonna talk about how 90% of his feed is Ginny D? 😂 In all seriousness dude, love these videos of yours they're intellectually engaging and actually get you to question why something does or doesn't work. Keep up the good work! 👍
We know hes married, so the biggest twist would be....
Hes married to GinnyD
@@alphachicken9596I’d love to see that, especially if they collaborate at some point.
Was already debating if he just went to her shorts page for predictability 😄
I came here specifically to talk about how 90% of his feed is just Ginny D. And how I'm here for it.
@@alphachicken9596 this dude is married? I never knew. I don't imagine DnD players with real lives. Weird, maybe that's just me.
I’ve recently started playing with my kids, and after rolling initiative on the very first encounter and looking at their faces realized I was in trouble. I went with the Professor DM’s suggestion and had them in clockwise seating order say 1) what they were planning to do and 2) made them all roll turn initiative (doubling as the ‘to hit’ roll) and damage dice together. I let them make minor adjustments to what they wanted to do and wow it got dramatic. Almost like readying and action and your muscles are poised and committed to following through unless you can make a minor pivot.
My daughter wanted to lob a grenade at a space-tiger, so I let her pull the pin as she was rolling initiative, but she went last and ended up and the battlefield changed her action into a liability by her turn, so she had to blow up their escape route so as not to fratricide everyone. And it worked so well because within about 15 min, we had developed the story, done an encounter, and were knee deep in our next encounter without anyone getting disengaged or pulled out of fantasy land.
It isn’t perfect, but their investment was bigger in all the subsequent encounters, and I kept their attention. Going forward, I think I’ll try all of that out again, but have them add whatever action they state to their “initiative + to hit” roll (i.e. smooth talking gets to add CHA mod to the initiative roll, sneaky-sneaky adds a DEX to roll, etc)
Another tool for your box:
Grouping Minons.
I found this rule in another system but it transfers well to others, and it speeds up combat immensely if you want to have large groups of enemies. All you need to do is take 3 or more minons and run them using a single character sheet. For every minon above 3 you add one to any 'offensive rolls' that are required, in Pathfinder this would be rolls that go against an AC, DC or something similar. Do not rise the defensive abilities of the character sheet, for you still want your players to hit the minions like normal.
Health also remains the same but should be maximized, with this being the number your tallying to remove a minon from the group. Up to you if you want your players to be able to take out multiple minions in a single attack, I prefer yes. Remember you can always have individuals of the group break away and try to run, after seeing one of their members be diced in half by a 30 point blow from the barbarian.
Now you can field 20 goblins 'soldiers,' 20 goblin 'archers' (Split into two groups), and 4 level-2 goblin clerics (I run those as individuals, spell casters are a pain that way) against that level 5 party, without it becoming a bogged down fight!
I made a system for my table which I called the "hivemind", its basically also rolling a group of monsters together, but instead of becoming one unit theyre more like a slimy blob emalganation of all the monsters inside. So they can still use their numbers to surround people. I roll to hit for each blob square that can connect to a player. For every time the minion goes below max hp the blob shrinks by one or more squares. Aoe spells bypass it :)
I highly recommend MCDM minion mechanics for 5e. I played it and it’s very good and balanced.
Minions in DND used to mean a standard stat-block with the exception of 1HP and Evasion-style ability on all saves. A Necromancer with 100 skeletons against 4 level 11’s feels way more epic that way. You don’t have to track health as much either.
One thing pathfinder does for all swarm type minions is giving them weakness to area damage. Basically whenever you use an AoE on a swarm minion, even though it mechanically is just a single creature, it still takes extra damage as you would expect when using an AoE on a swarm. You could do the same thing in 5e by applying vulnerability whenever a grouped creature is caught in an AoE.
I switched to Prowlers and Paragons late last year, and it has minion rules exactly like this but based off of its d6 system, so instead the player rolls an attack roll against the threat of the minions, and every net success over what the minion rolled is a minion killed. Threat is their overall dice they use to roll their attacks, or defenses but the more minions there are grouped together, the higher their attack bonus is-they're easy to tear through, but still menacing until you start wiping them out.
They can also buy area-of-effect powers for their characters, which take out double the minions-or even some powers like Super Speed allow you to take them out as fast too. Minions have definitely up'd the action-nature of my sessions by enabling me to throw more at my players, while also not having much setup to get them in the game.
So in my very first session as a DM I was running the Lost Mines of Phandelver (shocking I know). One of my more experienced players decided to have some fun with this encounter. They were player a full blooded orc paladin. When the fight started, 2 of the goblins ran up to attack, on the paladin's turn instead of pulling out their weapon they asked if they could do some shenanigans. They wanted to swing one of the dead horses that was right next to them as an improvised weapon. I had them roll a strength check to see if they could wield the dead horse. They rolled over a 20 and since they are a full blood orc they have the "powerful build" feature they pulled it off. Because this was so funny and cool I ruled this as an improvised weapon but up'ed the damage die because its an ENTIRE DEAD HORSE, not just a chair or similar. On top of that I thought there is no way you could swing this horse with any amount of control so it is going to swing in an arc and hit Everything and Everyone in that arc. So in the end 2 goblins and one of the other players were hit with a dead horse and knocked to the ground.
Also I now rule that if one of my players acts first before the initiative roll happens, they are the first in the party to go and very likely the the very top of the initiative order. I feel like that is how that would happen for real and it just makes sense. Its super annoying when you say "I cast Fireball!" then have to roll initiative and ... you end up last in the initiative order.
In dungeon coachs DC20 game (essentially if 5e and pf2e had a baby) he kind of solved combat's off-turn engagement issue because off your turn, as a martial at least, you have defensive manuevers you can use off your turn as reactions.
For 1 action point, you can parry an attack and add +5AC to you or your allie in range or raise your shield to mitigate damage from an attack. Opportunity attacks are also bolstered to proc when enemies get up from prone, uses an object, picks up something from the floor or moves from your threat range.
You could potentially spend all four of your action points before your turn comes but it doesnt feel all that bad because you have been acting off turn and you remain engaged. At the end of your turn, you get your action points replenished to start the dance again.
For dnd, we seriously just need more reactions since most of the time reactions straight up go unused.
Yep. Most of the GM advice videos out there are just revealing how poor a system D&D is. If you want to run better games, use better systems. DC20 will be that.
More reactions and off turn abilities actually makes combat take even longer though, because there are more players interrupting
@@drtisk I'd check out the game, somehow this doesn't seem to be a factor when playing, it's really really promising stuff
Cool idea! Even having the option to help an ally or take advantage of a foes situation once per turn would be enough to make people start paying more attention.
@@drtisktrue. But less boring and more engaging.
The problem with Combat Toys is that according to the rules, and this video's own suggestions, they are less powerful than the made for combat options. Players will always move back to the paper buttons without thinking because the numbers are bigger. If 5e is what your group continues playing, the toys must be MORE powerful than the paper buttons if you want the party to use them. Since the game doesn't have enough to do with money already, the best thing to do is to make potions of various spells generally available for purchase, but call them something else. The booze that's great for replacing flaming hands can only be found at one place, and the flour that makes really good fog clouds is at another place.
YOU decide the numbers though... so they can be the same or bigger than numbers on their sheets
The point he was making, I think, was that the enemies can use the toys. Goblins don't learn flame hands usually but they can do the burning lantern thing.
Or even so the PC doesn't burn a spell slot
@@drtiskthe problem is if you make the toys better than the paper buttons you have just created a new paper button. Now instead of making a weapon attack each round the players throw beer around every single round.
That's not better.
You have to make sure combat is more than just smacking the enemy.
Personally, the only way I was able to truly spruce up combat was switching to a lighter ruleset that promoted dynamic combat scenes. My best combats were running Rhapsody of Blood, a pbta about exploring a cursed castle and slaying monsters. The very specific boss fight mechanics were amazing for making them exciting with very little effort.
Personally, my 5e combats are real interesting if I, as a DM, don't use monster sheets. Forces me to roleplay the action. Ask questions, think about stuff around the world is reacting to combat. Affect said combat with said stuff around the world. Makes my players roleplay. Makes me roleplay.
I can still make the monster sheets, study them, be inspired by them, reference them, but boy o boy if I use them in combat I become like my players, just thinking about abilities, looking at numbers. In my PC I have a quick damage table, do +-1,2,3 to those to make it "random" and I'm good. Fake a "dice roll click" from my computer and keep the action going.
@@pseudolimao You're right that the sheets are a big part of the problem. So many monsters have the same "makes two attacks: one claw and one bite" even down to the name and damage. It's uninspired and boring. Monsters with more diverse abilities, actual strategies and distinct ways of fighting can force the players to adapt and change their own strategies. Do be careful though of completely shutting down players.
This is a great point, you have to teach your players to use this stuff too, especially if they are new, I had a player try to sneak into a goblin encampment only to make noise coming down the wall alerting a nearby goblin, goblin swings at him disengages and runs screaming to his buddies to alarm the camp, player takes a nearby torch throws' it into the goblins tents lighting them on fire and just so happens to dash into the room with the goblin boss, he surprises the boss got lucky cuts him in two, then decides to step out of the cave and throw the boss's upper torso directly into the small horde of 5 goblins they freak out as their base is on fire and their boss dead and run. It was an epic encounter, bring emotion into your combat its a very real thing.
0:13 You forgot that the Goblins Surprise the level 1 party according to the book. That means its a 5 minute encounter for a normal party because they're level 1. I really don't think the Goblin Ambush is a good example at all even if one of the players have a big passive perception, it's 4 goblins and it's the first encounter. That is a very fast fight with player focus fire.
7:11 The goblin can't use the scroll because it doesn't have the correct spell list. This is cheating. The players will call you out for it especially if they're level 1.
I'm back, I can watch the rest. 8:37 This is fine but it can corner you in the future. That might not be a big deal for a liberal DM. The thing is if you as a DM come up with something creative like ale + lantern and use it against your players to create burning hands, then you're teaching the players that they can do this. On the surface, this isn't a bad thing exactly but you as a DM shouldn't have done this. The reason why is because if the players do anything remotely creative down the line like you did and you say no, then you've shot yourself in the foot, it's very unfair to the players.
If I did this to my players and they learned about the Ale + lantern combo then they would all do that throughout the whole campaign because the goblins have like 7 hp and they come in numbers. Free spamable AOE burning hands for everyone will meme on the Phandelver campaign. I can't shut that down because I did it to them, even if I only did it once in the campaign.
The players should have naturally discovered this and be rewarded for their creativity once.
9:50 Character builds make combat move faster because you understand your progression, features and spells. Everything is mapped out. You spent time on learning what your character can do. I don't understand how learning the rules and learning what your character can do "sucks". This is a very bad take. Like no wonder you think combat sucks. It makes it sound like you're against players learning the game and I don't think I'm wrong, you literally made up the scroll rules in this video.
Didn’t expect when I was looking through the comments for someone I agreed with to spot a Kobold!
What’s crazy is how the video is about combat being to complicated and taking to long and the solution is making a bunch of rulings that aren’t supported by the rules so what are you going to write down every “creative” spell effect someone makes and bog down gameplay?
The players should simply learn how their characters operate and how to effectively and efficiently use them in combat to win in a timely matter that’s just good manners honestly if I play Monopoly with someone and it takes them 5 minutes to take a turn I’m not playing with them again 😂
The game starts when you plan the trip. The players decide how they move in formation during the trip. They can decide they have a point man up front, then that bloke spots the horses before the cart is in the goblin's field of fire. You can have dudes with muskets riding in the cart looking out on the sides. They might have a chance to spot something.
A goblin MU isn't odd, it depends on how common you want magic-users to be. We have sprinkled little level 1-3 clerics and MUs in monster ranks. They might not have the worst spells but a dude tossing Sleep on your horses can ruin things.
0:54 They didn't need to throw shade on Golden Sun like that
Your videos make me happy. May the angels cry out your name.
The discussion of "toys" in combat is really good advice. I used to always love running games for new players, as they would instinctively try to interact with the environment and use it dynamically in combat and I noticed that "experienced" players were more likely to just cast a spell or use the attack action. (generalization, does not apply to all)
I find your framing of "toys" is a really thought provoking concept, and that maybe it isn't really new players vs experienced, but rather do I design combats with interesting environments, and reward players for engaging with it or not. Same story w/ RP mid combat.
Great video :)
Thank you! I think names really do evoke a sense of mindfulness when it comes to game design. What I'm saying in this video isn't revolutionary: make your game world dynamic, even the combats. But the words dynamism or emergent elements don't have that same sense of discovery & "play" that toys do.
And yes, I agree that most new players are more creative than most experienced players. They see the world in their heads while GaMeRs see the world in their character sheet.
In regards to your thumbnail:
Exploration in 5e also doesn't really have much to it lol, so i guess it sucks too in the sense that there isn't meat on the bone.
And, roleplay is ultimately something that exists outside of the 5e mechanics themselves, especially when basically no one uses Insperation lol.
Anyways, pay me no mind lol, just overanalzing a thumbnail.
Basically, the "TL:DR" version is:
1) Speed, & 2) improvisation
...two things that.. honestly does not work particularly well together.
Think outside the box! the world is your oyster! But you only have 30-60 seconds to do it or your autonomy is wasted this turn with your action defaulted to a set action determined by the GM. This style of combat is definitely more difficult to pull-off in practice.
Easiest style is what is commonly imagined; very laid with players being silly, goody, just having fun in the moment.
The more "try-hard" style is when players start min-maxing their characters, putting a lot of time outside-of-combat to maximize their characters potential in-combat.
This is the kind of players that I believe would actually like the turn-timer.
The more improvisation-focused approach to combat is definitely a style of combat that I personally would like to lean more towards, but it is promoting a different 'kind' of play than the min-maxing, turn-timer style of "difficult-mode" style of D&D combat.
And the most difficult would be to try to implement both styles at the same time.
At the right table with the right, experienced players, it could lead to amazing results with fast paced, inventive combat that blends strategy, tactical thinking, outside-the-box improvisation and in-combat role-play...
But it's definitely gonna take some time for players and the GM to get used to it.
If you're not using the goblin power to dash, hide, and disengage as a bonus action you're not running goblins, you're running commoners.
rushing players is bound to cause frutration, playing a more rules-light or just narrative focused system would probably be more advisable if one wants to resolve combat faster
on the other hand making the field of combat more interactive is a great mmethod, it might take a bit longer to prepare and a bit of a bummer when players end up ignoring some points it leads to great moments - a tip on this is that DMG has a table for improvising damage and to be aware that the level up curse WILL diminish this if left to Rules as Written
It’s almost like you don’t want to be a DNDTuber
Every 5e DM has an internal clock that slowly ticks down to the day they realize they hate running the system and want to play anything but D&D for once.
@@Parkinstarkey Embrace the opportunities of GURPS, Pulp Cthulhu, Cyberpunk 2020, or literally anything else.
That's what happens when you play DnD and only DnD for long time. I basically started playing other TTRPGs right away and I still like DnD
5e seems to be in the perfect place to be crunchy for half of the TTRPG space, and not crunchy enough for the other.
@@leotamer5 That's good way to put it, when I hit with sword I want to account for humidity in air to calculate how much damage I dealt
I just love that you put a Reference to your Obsession with Ginny in every Video. And I also get it, 100%.
I totally agree! I’m making a roguelike campaign and I’m making all the battle maps. I try to stuff as many intreating environmental obstacles or objects that can be used both by and against the players. This campaign has them fighting their way down the layers of hell and some examples of these things I’ve put in is as follows. Lava/spike/deep pits, explosive crystals, random magic items that a random imp might scoop up, spiked walls, traps, magical darkness areas, ice patches and water filled sections, and so many CLIFFS man just having some sort of change of elevation spices up so much when you flipping use it. Also I have custom throwing rules so you bet that huge monster is going to attempt to pick up a PC and try to yeet them at one another or into dangerous environments. I even have modifiers that monsters can get that change how you have to deal with them such as creatures that have less health but more damage, monsters that explode when they die and sometimes loot goblins that will attempt to flee combat but have big rewards. this is a roguelike after all.. i want to keep it interesting even if you are coming back over and over again. hell im even adding special actions that players will unlock as they beat key bosses. new powers anyone can use. like a custom move Slamming and the healing surge from the DMG… feewww anyway theres my rant also if you cant tell im excited to run this adventure im making.
bro I'm doing the same thing rn, mine is called "Conquer Hell", I haven't started the mapping yet as I've never mapped anything before any advice? Also, how are you handling your roguelike, for me I'm making it more of a rogue-lite there are 9 levels of hell and the PCs need to conquer all of them either through brute force or making deals with the devils in exchange for more power as to not just make it a combat only game. Also, when they die they don't restart because if only one player dies that's just kinda fucked and makes them useless, it's more so they lose one Lvl so it still punishes death but doesn't prevent recovery. If they die too many times and hit Zero they go to the abyssal plane and turn into monstrosities either that or they get stuck in Limbo and are lost for eternity idk which I'm going with yet. Thoughts?
@@anthonydeperino2046 awesome! I have only set out 4 layers of hell that need to be fought through. 5 encounters plus one boss per and honestly Hades is where I’m taking a good bit of inspiration from when it comes to the layout of it all. There will be 24 encounters that need to be beaten that include the final boss to well win. When players hit 0 they instantly die so no yo-yo healing. They get a short rest after each boss and no long rests. Once everyone dies or chooses to get called back to water deep then they get resurrected by the arch wizard of water deep that sent them on this mission in the first place. And yes this takes place in water deep so after a run or before one you have the whole city to explore or even go on an expedition outside the city if you so choose. You will have plenty of people to talk to and the more progress you make the more NPC’s come to aid you which you get perma buffs from with the amount of gold you will be getting which is a lot. Loot heavy game and I got many tables I’ll be rolling on. I really want to push the idea that you can take a break from hell rushing and you get to explore and roleplay all you want outside of hell again think of Hades how you talk to a bunch of people when you get back
@@omegadragonRandom thats a great idea, having a home base area for RP and other things is something i will incorporate into mine, thanks. but what if once they die in hell the PC's just fuck around in the overworld and ignore hell?
@@anthonydeperino2046 Oh I didn't mention WHY they are going into hell. Its a simple story to grasp so basically Zariel is forming an army to take over the material plane. So they are trying again and again to stop her by infiltrating hell. Sure they can still just run off and while these are newer players they are my friends and I can at least calmy explain to them to go through with the story I created for them to play through. I wont completely force them but hopefully everyone has respect for another and the game will go on smoothly.
Regarding Initiative, the Initiative Score rules (Chapter 9 in the DMG) are great. I use them pretty frequently and it lets you seamlessly jump into combat.
Regarding "toys," he's on the right track. Xanathar's Guide to Everything has guidelines on traps and that's a great framework for making these "toys" as he describes them. Like, a goblin doing _burning hands_ from a mundane bottle of ale is probably a little much and basically means everybody will start doing that regularly. Because if a goblin can do it, why don't other people do it too? But a goblin doing a 10-ft line of 1d6 fire that way? That's more reasonable and more dynamic.
*_Again: that's Chapter 2: Traps Revisited in Xanathar's Guide to Everything._*
It's also great to resolve improvised player actions, like dropping a chandelier onto several enemies and whatnot. I highly recommend it.
I agree with everything but the time limit, since in the end that'll just encourage players to fall into the "doing one thing every single turn" cycle rather than encouraging them to think before their turn. Maybe it works for Mr. Deficient, though, but it would destroy my table.
I make the players roll the attack roll of the monsters.
1. It makes them active even when its not their turn.
2. It represents that while AC is a passive number defense for the character is a very active and important thing.
Rolling more dice is not a way to be involved in a skirmish.
The players act as one, there is no special spotlight. If you have an idea you just say it. Any time I play an MU, I do what the other players suggest half the time.
Whether we played D&D 4e, or the 13th Age game we're doing now, 95% of the time we spend playing is spent in combat encounters. And that's OKAY! This is because we realized long ago that combat doesn't have to be time spent separately from role playing, storytelling and character development. We do all these things WHILE we're rolling the dice to smash monsters. No matter what system we're using, whether the combat is free form theater of the mind or tons of measuring and crunching numbers, we still role play, tell stories and invent and use new things about our characters' personalities while we fight.
I like the skirmish aspect where you act as one section against an opposing section. With no spotlight on individual heroism, so you can all take part in the job of whacking those gits.
Dude, the editing in this video is SOOO fun! I usually really love the fun camera tricks you do, but the visuals you added to this video felt so fresh and yet still distinctly your style.
I would love any tips on theater of the mind combat. I greatly prefer it to speed up the game, but it comes with obvious cons, especially when there’s a disconnect between what the DM imagines and what the players imagine.
Awesome video. 👍
Just discovered this channel, and I’m loving the information, along with the tone and witty banter. Very entertaining. I had a question about the maps. They’re very clear and evocative, especially the temple at time stamp 6:37. Where did you get these maps from? I must know… And please make more videos like this. 👍
When it comes to timing player turns to speed up combat, I've found it more helpful to reward fast turns rather than punishing slow turns. So if a player decides on what they will do in let's say 15 seconds, they get one of these bonuses; +1 to one attack roll/spell save DC/ability check, or + 10 ft of movement. Note I said decides on their action, not complete all the rolling and etc in that time, don't need to be timing people's math abilities. Yeah this will change the balance a little but I think it's worth it.
I'm not going to punish or reward my mates for having fun. 15 seconds would cut into valuable time for looking up eels, asking questions about doors, looking at the map and roleplaying.
Adding more calculations to a problem caused by too much calculation sounds odd. Remove abilities you and the crew dislike. Streamline the process a lot more so resolving a shotgun is quick.
My dm decided to become the giant rock golem that we needed to take down. He put sticky notes on his body for the “weak points” while we had to constant dodge and move around to avoid attacks and grapples. It made a nice push and pull to the encounter that gave it a fresh spin.
D&D 4e arguably has one of the more involved and time-consuming combat systems that D&D has ever had ... read some about that you'll come up with tons of time saving techniques from grouping like monsters to using average damage without rolling, to doing away with the DM Screen, using an initiative tracker and having enemy stat block transparency to handing off some of the number tracking and record keeping to the players.
Problem is, if you rule something like 'ale burping fire' doing something as minor Burning Hands. Guess what the PCs are gonna bring with them and do *all the time?* Of course if you don't allow them to repeat creative moves that will instead feel unfair.
An other problem is that interacting with the environment becomes less and less useful the higher level you play at. A bag of flour, or a cooking cauldron of oil, or even caving in part of the environment, will never be as useful as an 8th grade spell for example.
That's why it's just better to switch to another system, if you find the combat-oriented game lacking its combat aspect and most of the enemies look like damage sponges to you. Try Savage Worlds for example. Instead of vague HP bars that represent "willingness to fight" you have an actual wound system, which makes every mistake more important for the battle and makes combat more dinamic and fast
To be honest, combat kinda sucking is part of the reason I stopped running DND and switched my play group to dungeon world. Not only does DND combat take way too long. But most of the time it also fails to compound into the rest of the campaign. Even in the most thematic of campaigns, my PC's killing two wearwolves outside of the big bad evil gothic mansion usually has no impact on the rest of the game at all. Except for maybe expending a couple spell slots or something.
The problem is that the whole rest of the game needs the combat to make rewards function
Great ideas and advice
One of the things my players do is preroll initiative
Makes for a more fluid flow into combat and narrative transitions
Boy, this is a tactical combat game. 95% of its content is focused on combat. Like most d20 systems (Pathfinder, Star Wars etc). If you want more narrative and quick combat - pick PbtA (Dungeon World for DnD like experience) instead of housuruling DnD to the death. If you want exploration and dungeon crawl - pick OSR rpg. Etc
You just picked wrong rpg and complaining about its mechanics - the one that suprisingly work ok. Beside of the trash rest.
Why DnD combat is long? Because it’s boring. I can assure you that Pathfinder combat is even longer but with more tactical
dept and customization - it’s not boring. It’s very engaging even if 6 second in game is 0,5 hour in real time.
But if you want 2 minutes combat - just picked other rpg, seriously.
Have you thought about doing some episodes talking about other systems and how people can take mechanics from them? Systems like Cairn and Crown & Skull are pretty cool! Love the videos!
Reading through both those rulesets now actually!
I'm running a game for my youngers cousins (12 to 21) and my gf after not playing for two years (cyberpunk red kind of took over my usual group)
You sir are my hero for helping work on the things about dnd that I disliked. Please keep up the great work!
Did you just make a thumbnail showing 5e as good at exploration? That is arguably it's biggest weakpoint.
You mentioned you'd have some people comment alternative systems to DnD 5e but I can't find any - I would really love something sorta similar to 1e but a *bit* more advanced.
Playing an Oath of Glory Paladin that tries to pull shenanigans like tying a ropers arms together instead of mindlessly using great weapon master. Most fun I've ever had playing DnD.
Can I ask where you got your generic colored minis?
You fell right into my trap card! ua-cam.com/video/an5svmNA9sg/v-deo.html
@@DeficientMaster xD
I was hoping you’d respond to this question! Great reference. 😂
@@DeficientMaster well played, much respect lol. Commenting again to help boost you
Dude I love your little minis with all of those hats! Where can I get some
I kind of like how the timer before default attack kind of encouraged the player to grow alongside their character. As your character levels up, you as a player need to also become more familiar with what they can do. a novice is more likely to just do a basic attack, and I think that represents a players indecisiveness well.
Though I think a big time sink is asking questions during your turn. Can I use this ability to do that, how far away is it, did it already use its reqction? that kind of stuff
Nice video, you gave me lots of ideas thank you, where did you get those pretty tiles and minis? I absolutely need that blue wizard 😂
Feels like it’s a problem with using 5e…there are more rules-lite games out there that have fewer rules and quicker combats that solve these problems.
My favorite house rule to fix D&D is to play a better system.
What is better system? Why it is better?
@@realdragon pathfinder, better combat rules and doesn't collapse on itself after level 14
@@gunnellagann Too many rules, I don't want to red LoTR trilogy worth of rules and spend 20 minutes doing nothing because DM is looking up what rules are for fishing
@@realdragon there are many rules yes, but the rules are so well crafted and connected that are basically logical blocks that you link together when applying rules. That's how a good game system is made, lots of rules that are easy to apply and remember, stop defending dnd 5e
@@gunnellagann Lmao when I was "defending" 5e? You're getting offended because I don't like many rules
Just because you think it's better system it doesn't mean everybody else will like it more just like you. It is little more subjective and for me pathfinder is worse because of that
8:44 When I first saw this setup as an original 3.5 player going into 5e for the first time I saw the oil and just lit the goblins on fire. It showed the other players that you can be a lot more creative with what is around you.
I don't really understand. You seem to claim combat is "lacking complexity" or something that exploration and social possess. But objectively, exploration and social are total after thoughts in dnd, a skirmish combat simulator.
You have 3 one word sentence skills for social. You have 1 (arguably 2-3) for exploration. There's basically no written rules for this in most modules, and it's all left to the fiat of the DM when your single persuasion role is enough to convince the local grizzled war veteran onto your size or if it will require multiple checks over multiple days. By contrast, combat has like...literally 90+% of the actual game mechanics.
That thumbnail is kind of sad. I consider 5e a completely combat centric RPG. The progression of the classes is almost entirely oriented towards combat. There is so little game design around roleplaying and exploration that it can be disregarded without missing out much.
If you want an RPG with simple and fast combat where those three elements are balanced in terms of time and tension, is hacking 5e really a good solution? There are thousands of RPGs out there that aren't centered in combat.
I know that hacking it can give good results, but I find it so tiring as a DM, the constant progression, the bonded accuracy, the constant scaling of HP and damage just make it so hard to run the game in any way other than intended. And designing new "toys" gets harder and harder as the characters do more and more each turn and the enemies have so much HP that they can jump twice from the Burj Khalifa and still be in fighting condition.
This!! So far I've done abit to change combat. But spell effects weekend for cool ideas is so good!
Flour = small fog cloud
Spitting oil with fire = 1d4 burning hands
Adding non magical "spell like" effects is such a fun idea!
0:24 well, actually there would be a surprise round. I would probably do a perc check to see if anyone sees the goblins to give them an opportunity to react first.
I kinda remember in DOS2 you could defer your turn until later in the round, which resulted in you permanently going to the end of the turn order (until someone did the same) but it was fun tactically. I've considered doing the same for my own table.
I would really love to see a video on your Ars Magica inspired homebrew magic for OSE!
I think trying to speed up combat or force players to move quickly is a dumb idea, especially if you have new players or someone is just trying something new for once instead of making the God Damn SAME ELDRITCH BLAS- uh well you get what I mean, doing combat like this doesn't make the game more fun it makes the players want to pick easy to remember options and just slash shit. Basically if you're playing with the mindset of rushing your players it's not gonna be fun for anyone involved.
If you want to make combat moment more interesting, and I mean interesting not quick, try adding a secondary objective like "there's a hostage you could save" or "the walls of the dungeon start closing in and if you must get to the other side of the room past the horde of skeletons to stop it" or "as you're fighting the bandits you notice one trying to get away from the combat and he's carrying a chest and is getting the other bandits to block you from him so he can get away".
I’ve been struggling to keep my players engaged for a while now; some have stopped showing up altogether, but I think I can keep the ones I have left
Ask them "why" they stop playing. Maybe is something you did, maybe there is nothing to do with your DMing.
@@MarcioLiaoThanks! Turns out a couple of em just had other stuff going on. We had a session on Friday and everyone showed up except for one guy because he was busy camping. I think the break from playing helped, and we had some gas roleplay moments. Regardless, thank you for taking the time to give me advice; I should’ve checked the replies to this comment sooner; That advice would’ve helped a lot had I noticed it.
3:00 but the problem IS encounter design, a well designed encounter is gonna feel good even if you run the actual combat part exactly the same (as in 6:00, which imo is the more important lesson here)
timers, foreshadowing combat, additional complications, extra resources on the battlefield etc.
once you start running fun combat, players don't disengage and the whole thing speeds itself up
It's really funny to me that D&D combat is so shitty when combat is both the most mechanically in-depth system in D&D and what it was originally based around (Chainmail was functionally a wargame).
Stuff like persuading people or intimidating them are mechanically very simplistic (and that would be in the 'roleplay' camp). They're binary pass/fail rolls in D&D RAW. There aren't mechanics like mixed successes found in games like Vampire The Masquerade and Blades in the Dark. Stuff like crit successes/fails are house rules, not RAW. You don't get "exploding dice" mechanics like Kids on Brooms/Kids on Bikes and their hacks where you can have a hot streak that means your character is doing increasingly well, either.
But, instead, people complain about the combat because it's such a slog and isn't fun... despite how much the game is designed around combat lol.
You can tinker with D&D combat, but it will never be as fast as Savage Worlds. What other system do you suggest that do combat better IYHO?
I ran the Cellar of Death yesterday for my friends and wanted to try out your advice. In the first room of the dungeon, players encounter two skeletons. As written, the fight is pretty basic, with the only terrain feature being a 15-foot ledge where the skeletons start out.
To spice it up, I brainstormed three "toys" to add to the scene: stalactites, black mushrooms, and a chain connecting the two skeletons.
1. *Stalactites* - The cave ceiling is covered with these brittle formations. I hinted at their instability by describing one skeleton hitting a stalactite directly above a player, noting that one more hit would bring it down. This gave players the idea that they could use the stalactites against the skeletons.
2. *Black Mushrooms* - These mushrooms grow all across the cave. When hit, they release a cloud of black spores, creating an obscured area for 1 round.
3. *Chain* - I decided the skeletons would be tied together with a chain, thinking it might lead to some imaginative interactions from the players.
Here’s how it all played out:
I started the scene with one skeleton lowering the other down the ledge using the chain so it could engage in melee. The fighter rushed down to attack the melee skeleton but missed - so I narrated that he struck a mushroom instead, causing a spore cloud to form around him and the skeleton.
The priest then used Turn Undead, but only the skeleton on the ledge could see her. It failed its saving throw and was forced to flee, but because it was chained to the other skeleton, things got complicated!
Now the players switched tactics, aiming to break the chain so the turned skeleton could escape. They succeeded, and as soon as the chain was broken, the fleeing skeleton moved away from the ledge and bolted out of sight. Meanwhile, the melee skeleton attacked with disadvantage due to the spores but still managed to knock out the fighter.
At that point, I reminded the players about the stalactite above the skeleton, prompting the mage to use Magic Missile to bring it crashing down, dealing 2d8 damage. The skeleton was nearly destroyed but still standing. Finally, they used a grappling hook to attach it to the remaining chain, pinning the skeleton to the cave wall and bringing the fight to an end.
Adding just a few extra “toys” transformed the battle into a dynamic, creative scene. The whole combat felt so much more alive!
D&D combat needs a reversion to 3.5E style. The reduction in player options was an atrocious design choice, as is the general lack of meaningful modifiers.
What I love about your videos is that not only do these make me feel more prepared as a DM to make my games more fun, but they also encourage me to see where I can improve and make the game more fun for me as a player.
That "giving out toys" thing is exactly what I'm doing in my own game. I've given a homebrew assassin a rechargable poison strike that deals an additional 1d4 damage but inflicts poison for an hour on a failed CON save. They can also throw a vial of the Malice poison once per day if needed, which will be very fun
Edit: I will eventually give my players some toys. Not yet, but soon.
"Have you tried not playing D&D?"
Well this is kind of on you too. In your intro you started combat with "4 goblins appear." Which is way too late and way too much info given. It should've started with "what appears to be two horses laying on the ground block the road ahead." Right here you've already put some players on high alert. And by start combat I don't mean roll initiative, I mean this is the moment when the encounter starts and meaningful actions start to be taken by the players, like looking more intently at the horses (thus getting the info that the are filled with black arrows), looking for ambushers, readying weapons etc. When a player looking spots the 4 short figures, now roll initiative.
The point of this is there's a lot of what you like in the exploration and role playing to be had in combat too, rather than trying to rush into (and out of) it with "4 goblins appear", you can make combat an immersive experience too. I said this was kind of on you too and not only one you.
I actually agree with the "u no member save? u no cast spell" thing. The biggest reason people don't learn what their spells or abilities do is _THEY DON'T HAVE TO._
Make them have to.
Seriously. Stop babying your players.
Damn dude - another banger video! Thanks for making this. I really appreciate your perspective, analysis, and even delivery on these topics.
Before long, you will be one of the most subscribed D&D channels on this platform, I guarantee it! Looking forward to the next video!
Some tricks I use to speed up combat:
*Pre-rolled enemy initiative: Especially for planned encounters. If I know my players are likely to run into a few impromptu encounters, I have a few logged dice rolls in advance that I plug in as initiative numbers. Not precise, but does it really have to be?
*Phased combat: Yeah, it's an optional rule mentioned in the DMG, but it does give combat a slightly more familiar tactical feel like Fire Emblem. Great if your players come from a more video-gamey background or appreciate that aspect of turn-based tactical rpgs.
*Helter-skelter combat: My name for a bit more of a randomized approach within the Phased combat model. On my players' turn, there is no internal initiative. They go whenever they have an idea of they want to do. Yes, this sets up a bit of stepping on each others' toes from time to time, but it also sets up some great moments for synergy. AND it *constructively* encourages players to get their plans in order. I also like that it plays a bit more to the verisimilitude of the 'chaos' of battle.
Again, not perfect, but great ways to organically speed up combat and help your players think a bit more strategically (which generally enhances engagement!) and helps make combat a bit less of a slog.
3:26 that...actually sounds fun
Idk why I’m impressed so much with the bounce on the book drop at the beginning.
Maybe just maybe, if you think the system you are using that is mostly centered around combat is bad at combat, it might be time to look at other ttrpgs system
0:12 I ran the starter set with this encounter first, i choose to hold back two of the goblins to attack halfway through combat. One of my players a rogue called Rogu wanted to sneak away and go around to take out the other goblins. He bumped into the other goblins ran getting hit by both opportunity attacks. I describe as everyone else would see Rogu run from the woods screaming only to be snipped by an arrow.
In one session my second session of ever being a DM i nearly killed a player within 5 minutes of starting. Rogu should have died but i let him live. Though i kinda regret doing it would have made the story all the more hilarious.
Man all I'm going to say one thing, pathfinder/three action economy, and use a minute sand glass, oh and being a warhammer nerd doesn't hurt neither
To be honest, even as someone who uses 5e a lot, I'm not sure it CAN be made fast. I have always been using group initiative, using a 1min timer, average damage for monsters, ect. and it still seems to drag a lot, even when something very goofy happens- Like the players setting a werewolf on fire wile their friend was pinned beneath it.
Might try the damage dice thing as well, when everyone has more experience- the player with the mod die to roll (Rouge, natch) is the lest experienced .
edit: Any advice for toy when the monsters would be dumber than the average goblin? I think spiders would know how to abuse web traps, but what about a zombie or a wolf?
The examples of simpler monsters you gave are tough ones to showcase toys. Lemme give it a shot though.
For Zombies I'd make them the toy, as in a horde of dozens or even hundreds of them as a shambling crowd that if touched, you're probably a goner. They can be used as sort of a living, moving wall as well.
Thing is, they're REALLY distracted by the closet thing, so if you can convince the hoard to pursue your enemy instead, it's almost like using a dungeon trap against the monsters.
Wolves I might give the alpha a toy in the form of them being able to speak. They apologize profusely about having to eat one of you, but if they let you go the rest of the pack will turn against them, so it's either them or you, so sorry!
For wolves, get literal with toys. The bones of their kills litter this battlefield... Oh? You want the bone? Gooooo GET IT! A quick Animal Handling check and now you have an entire new ally on the party's side
Suggestion house rule for environment toys in combat. Give the players one free environment action per encounter to interact with something in their environment (yes, including an attack with something in their environment that would normally require a regular action)
I love having everyone roll damage dice with their attack roll to save time. I also will tell them the AC of the opponents. I like the idea of using toys to spice things up in role play. *cough* We are still talking about D&D, right? Anyhow, another great video!
Toys fixed my relationships & my tabletop games!
@@DeficientMaster out of contexts this sounds weird....
@@samusamu5342 i would argue that it fit in all contexts.
Making initiative go around the table, consolidating all one’s attacks into a single roll of all the dice and making movement close/near/far/too far has done wonders for our combat pace
Love me some Index Card RPG.
Hate group rolls. All enemies being able to crit at once can kill entire parties. Id rather have hard fights than unpredictable ones.
@@gorgit you’ve misunderstood the way the system works
@@gorgit He means damage and attack dice. Also, clarifying with players that cover exists is helpful in moves too. Rarely do they not jump behind it for that AC buff.
Personally don't like that system or any system that sacrifices initiative rolls. Initiative roles aren't just a meaningless stop gap, they're a game mechanic.
• They add variety to the turn order
• They ensure that turns from both sides are broken up between each other so that one side can't get absolutely swarmed
• They give an advantage to faster characters or characters that have particular abilities that improve their initiative roles (Like the Alert Feat)
If you don't take into consideration all of these things when substituting the initiative system you're losing a lot, and rolling initiative is FAR from the most time-consuming part of combat anyway.
I'm experimenting with a group initiative system where party members go on the same turn to combo in the one shot I'm DMing in a few days, but I spent quite a long time trying to balance those conceits to ensure that the core purpose of the initiative system remained. Here's what I did:
A: Allied groups still roll initiative, but it's now a single die for the entire faction in the combat using the average of their mods. You still get that variety and you still have a reason to drop into initiative.
B: To ensure you can't be swarmed by multiple forces going one after the other you have an option to take a reaction to hold your whole turn to go immediately after another later placement in the turn order that round so that you can put yourself between them and break up the enemy actions. (The vanilla Ready Action also helps with this, being it's more limited with what you can do due to not being a full turn, in exchange for being able to happen *during* enemy turns)
8:55 yah, just wait until you find out how flamable a flower cloud is
Re speeding up the game I kinda like default actions however, I'd let a player set a default action from a short list, like Dodge, Attack, Specific Cantrip vs most recent or nearest if it's offensive.
This problem is one I am also looking to solve. I'm currently working on a pen and paper game where combat is based on shonen style anime fights. The purpose is to give the players more emotion impact and improve the flow of combat.
Mechanically it's will be a combination of willpower (earned through role playing their characters motivations), environment, and having bigger combats function in phases which when shifted will trigger events that give the players more willpower and change the environment.
It's loosely based on the Mythic characters from Pathfinder but is meant to focus more of the player characters development as a tool for new abilities.
I may not be a DM anymore, do not have the attention soan necessary for it, this video has given me the push I needed to start thinking creatively in combat as a player, as well as the character idea for a fighter based around using the environment to your advantage
the wildermyth combat system has basically an entire class designed around making toys useful, and it is the magic class. it's called the mystic.
The flour and ale into fire idea is inspiring! Thank you! i'm totally going to look for more ways to make things exciting like that.
Currently browsing The Wildsea and it has great rules for dynamic combat. Every Hazard (be it a combat or some obstacle) is represented by tracks. All tracks together are the whole health pool of that Hazard but they are also different aspects of it. Pinwolves for example could have a track for their "teeth" and one for their "swiftness". Every time the players attack the creature they deal damage which marks a box on a track. So If a character decides to punch the wolf, that will mark one box with their "teeth" aspect. If they do it enough times (usually three to six) the wolf will lose it's aspect, making it unable to bite your players. Alternatively a hazards track could be dependent on the groups tactics. A tree tall leviathan could have a track like "blind the beast" after the players decided they want to affect it in this way and another track labeled "flee" always getting marked when they are closer to getting out of harm's way.
Monster's health bars and stats can be made up on the spot like that in no time and always fit the narrative fiction.
Awesome video as always! My DM usually does this thing within combat where just hefore he makes an attack as the enemy, he allows all of us a chance to move to try to dodge, using whatever movement we had leftover. Though we cant perfectly predict how he's going to attack, its pretty cool to get some chance of not immediately all out dying (coming from someone who is playing a squishy warlock)
I see a This Old Tony video in my feed, I click it. This is a new angle, and I appreciate it. Sort of out there on the sidelines, along with the pruning videos. Strange interest overlap, though, like that one time Matt Colville made a Running The Game video wearing an AvE t-shirt.
My CoS GM had a soft counter. This meant he was kinda tolerant - if your time was out but you said you knew what your action was abs only had to check the distance for 2 sec, he'd allow it. Plus our spellcasters more or less all had a default strategy, same for our martials.
Very little will make players not do the optimal thing alas. The trick to make it better is make environment interactions and clever ideas truly worth it and also getting good at running combat quickly. While I get the complaint I don't find any of the proposed solutions useful.
Will definitely use the toys in my next encounter. My two cents on this issue, is to hand out my reactions to both PCs and enemies, tweak them a bit to the characters class fantasy, and they will feel the need to pay more attention during combat.
Or just play a TTRPG with better combat
Still all tipps still apply and are very helpful
Great video and fantastic tips! Timers, knowing abilities, and environmental interaction really elevate combat. Here are 5 quick tips to add: 1. Pre-roll initiative; 2. Encourage quick decision-making; 3. Leverage AOE spells/effects; 4. Simplify enemy health; 5. Use group checks for similar enemies. These can further streamline combat and keep the action exciting. Thanks for sharing your insights!
Group initiative for both the PCs and monsters make things smoother. I don't need to individually count when everyone acts. You are one skirmish against another skirmish.