The JAS39A Is Grippen Deez Nuts
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
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0:00 Gameplay
1:13 Comparing turns with some data
4:13 Gameplay
Fuel: 20 minutes + droptank
Ammo: Default
Missiles 6x 9M
Countermeasures: Mixed
Convergence: 600 meters
Vertical Targeting: No
Crew: maxed (lvl 75) + Ace
Outro: A.N.O. - Vanish
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What a time to be alive. Imagine just trying to grind your Phantom and you have to fight this Gremlin.
My experience grinding for the British Gripen. T_T
Me, right now
It's was so cursed trying to grind for the British Gripen.
The Tornado is complete ass in terms of it's flight characteristics and the AIM-9Ls are nowhere near as good as they used to be and rarely ever will hit an enemy that's paying attention. You can't even sneak up on then because you're a tornado. The Skyflash supertemp is just OK... It's kinda mid.
The Brit Phantom is basically unplayable with all these SU-27s MIG-29s and F-15s running around.
The Harrier was the only thing that was remotely playable annnd well. It has great missiles...thats it.
It's subsonic, it's slow, it has no radar, you can't really dogfight. You turn well for about two turns and then you run out of energy. Sometimes you can squeak a goblin ass kill with VTOL but most of the time VS anything quick and Maneuverable you just die. You're like a vulture, hang out low on the edge of the battle, pick up any scraps that get seperated and hope and pray you kill them with your first missile.
The grind was worth it tho. The Gripen C is the first British Jet in awhile that actually feels like it's in a good place in the meta. Last time I felt like this was when the Hunter F1 dominated and when the Hunter F6 was introduced with SRAAMs before they got nerfed several times and flares became widespread.
@@Nox_Desiree I used the Phantom FGR.2 and Harrier gr.7, ironically using the gr.7 as a fighter and the fgr.2 to bomb bases. The Harrier can dogfight anything with landing flaps and I managed to kill a lot of Su-27s and such and such with it
so I stock grinded the FGR.2, and it was horrible because 50k rp minimum before researching other missiles, but once you have the skyflashes it's pretty good because most players don't really know how to dodge them in a head on or hug the deck like I do which makes getting 3/4 kill games very easy, the 9Gs are pointless tho
Defyn trying not to make a nutz joke for a day (Impossible)
i didn't make one yesterday!
@@DEFYNwell... as far as WE know at least.... 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐
@@DEFYN Fake news
@@DEFYNDefyn trying not to make a nutz joke every other day (impossible)
@@DEFYNwhat if you did… but it wasn’t as a joke
damn this thing has more flares and chaff than the a-10
magic of BOL pods
Defyn been waiting for the grippen to pull that joke 😂
Ammo got reduced to 120, and yes, it's historically accurate.
At least that is one change that is actually historically accurate.
Accurate, but doesnt ffel balnced when the SU has about 900
@@Iniesta9701150 30mm rounds. It’s the F-15 that has 940 rounds of 20mm.
@@Iniesta970 it has 150 but yea
@@Iniesta970 the su has 150
I'm still wondering what makes Gaijin think that a delta wing doesn't pull AOA. Does this also happen in real life with modern delta wings? Also oh boy the development placeholder flight model was ubercracked now feels like an adf
Well aoa with a delta wing essentially means you'll be pissing away all your energy faster than {insert something that's quite fast and funny}.
Furthermore sometimes it's limited by the fcs as it does create a lot of turbulence behind the wing the vertical stab has to cope with
When you pull more than a certain AoA, your delta act as a massive airbrake.
They modified the authority of the control surfaces so that it doesn't pull more than 12g, so if you want to pull AoA, you need to slow down under a certain speed
Delta wings are actually designed for speed, the speed bleed is a downside of high AOA, not a desired characteristic.
That said, if you’re fast enough to keep the AOA low, deltas can rate extremely well - especially if they have the thrust available to power through the airbraking/AOA issue.
Because they don’t know what they are doing? I thought this was clear.
This update has showed how many people have very little understanding of aerodynamics 💀
group testicle inspection in 30 min
5 mins left
Can I reschedule?
The rare air battle featuring Hazey, truly a Christmas miracle if ever there was one.
maybe its about time gaijing adds custom belts, having your gun do damage based on luck doesnt seem like a good way to balance a vehicle, specially in top tier where you might only hit one or two rounds per pass
If you could customize belts what would you go for?
@@Persona6Blue i would go all tracers APHE
@@cookiewookie1446HVAP only
@@Persona6Blue I'd finally know if the rounds that do damage are AP or HE because holy shit I can not figure out which 20mm round is the problem
@@dutchdragon2472you can always go back to the good ol protection analysis
By far the most unbiased WT youtuber , you call a spade a spade instead of trying to sugarcoat some vehicles and downplay others like most youtubers out there do 👏.
Man the dogfight portrayed in this video is the best one i've ever seen, even among your ones.
Love your commentary, great video!
Already got an ace with it. Fantastic flight performance with unlimited flares = profit.
Ive seen a few of ur videos, I am subscribed now! Havent seen your videos for ages
Intense vid man. TNX!
I had a similar game where I got 8 kills by just flying in the mountains and keeping it around mach.
I had 5 of them behind me and i picked them off one by one using the Terrain and the insane aoa it has around 800. I love this plane
great brawl at the end dude!
I don't think I've had a more fun or easier plane to fly than the JAS39A, I'm pretty much still stock (only had the flare upgrade this match) and I just had a really fun dogfight against 2 f-16s where I got lucky at the end that the barak II missed his shot so I could get on his six after the stall, makes me sad that top tier is a missile-fest cause I've really honestly never had more fun doing that dogfight than my entire time in my recent war thunder history, the Gripen just goes hard
Lmao sure with one of the most broken flight model in game it’s not that hard…
@@teivabaudoin2666 That's why I said it was easier than any other plane I've flown, dingus
Bought a mug... it came... amazingly perfect quality.
Not sure how much sense it makes for the JAS 39 to fly similarily to an F-16, considering their very different designs. I expected something more like a JA 37 on LSD where you can pull alot of AOA but you actually have good thrust this time so you can do it more sustained.
The Gripen was designed to fight Flankers and MiG-29's, so the F-16like flight characteristics make sense. The difference is Gripens can take off from or land on any airfield, and get rearmed and refueled in less than 10 minutes, making them perfect defensive fighters.
My comment was made more from a point of view regarding aerodynamics, not doctrine. Sure there definetly are similarities like the low weight, single engine and induced instability, but my point was more in relation to the difference in design of wings and control surfaces, which would naturally effect how a plane manouvers. The F-16 has a cropped delta wing with rear elevators while the JAS 39 has a "standard" delta wing with fully mobile canards. Both are highly effective dogfighters but I feel like the differences in design should mean they accomplish this feat in different ways. 😄 @@brunobegic3841
@@brunobegic3841 that + it's renowned for its BVR knife fighting capabilities, it was always intended to fight russian planes and trade favourably without endangering precious swedish airframes & pilots.
which is a little weird, it should have launched with advanced fox 3s
@@HarrDarr I think your overestimating how prevalent fox 3 missiles were when these 4th gens were being made, F-18, F-16, and F-15 all used sparrows for quite some time.
@@skull1161 Gripen was not service ready until the latter half of the 90s, it has a far more modern suite of avionics, EW, radar than all the 4th gen US & soviet fighters. It's younger than the aim120 for instance.
Consider that the russian r27 was far more formidable than any US/NATO estimation, though Sweden correctly assessed that it needed a longer and more accurate missile to strike at a numerically stronger enemy in the event of a war. Sweden could never afford to lose airframes at an even 1:10 ratio, if war broke out with the soviet union.
Gripen is designed with the F16 and the Flanker in mind, when it comes to realistic opponents that it may face. Now the Gripen, especially the C/D variants have gone above and beyond in their capabilities but are getting quite ancient and their frames are limited, hence the need for the NG program which is a completely new plane.
All Gripens ammunition count just got nerfed to 120
I don’t mind that if they fix the god damn guy doing 0 damage
@@legendbee9579agree, damage is awful
i loved the ammo :( i actually got ammo to learn the gun now its useless with the 0 dmg it does
Why are people saying it doesn't deal damage, in my experience it evaporates the ememy
@@badrepputation which belt u use?
I adore this jet, it's so good. It's super small to evade missiles and strafes, the aim9ms are incredible, it has a lower heat signature than the dual engine jets and comes with large calibre flares so I hardly get touched. The HMD is great to lock targets before nose turns to them, along with good nose authority. I'm currently 17 deaths 63 kills, by going right, not left and just cutting through the enemy pack and I'm not even a good pilot. The ace crew really helps with withstanding the G's you can pull!
Typical rat plane for brainless timmys
by the way i dont know if you have noticed, kiils and deaths or whatever it may be at the END of the game meaning the split second before the game ends do NOT count in terms of match rewards but they DO for ur stats, they will be added to ur stats no matter what. Ive tested this myself and i was actually confused at first
So because there is no thrust reverser on the Jas39, it uses the canards as extra airbrakes to stop at a shorter distance when landing. I was hoping this would be implemented since the dev server but it remains absent. It was even written about the feature in the devblog. I can't post on the forum so someone please bring this up to Gaijin because right now the stopping distance is like 1km instead of 400m when touching down at 300 kph. Very sad to see this essential feature of the Gripen be missing.
The canards are modeled entirely incorrectly and moving in the opposite direction that they should. So im kinda just hoping they are being ignored by the game engine, because currently they would hurt performance
@@communisticus191really? They were turning the right direction last time i checked.
@@communisticus191yeah no the canards are turning the right direction in this video so
@@filblo503 did we watch the same video? To me it looks like the canards are tilting in the same direction as the elevators on the wings as well as responding directly to control surface inputs. So instead of added lift to the nose, its actually providing a downward force like an elevator (at least visually)
@@communisticus191 if you look at 2 minutes you can see them working correctly. He is pulling up on the stick to turn and the canards point correctly up.
They worked right in the dev server but i havent had the chance to test it in the live server as im currently on the j29f
Grippen. more like, Blakken.
cause that's all I could see the entire video
I’m very exited for other gipen in the future 🎉
The Defussy do be Grippen
Defyn you just alienated every player that hides at their airbase! Good :)
Thank You for adding the turn stat. Could You leave it for all gameplay?
Hey defyn do you use a flight stick or mouse and keyboard?
“you’re the winner in my head”
Defyn never fails to make my ass and spread my day.
Don't really play much anymore, but still enjoy your content!
cool!
what are your expectations for this dogfighting with the mirage 4k?
The title is a work of art.
Defyn when you get done with all this top tier game play can you fly the J-21 out? ie noticed theres no videos on its propeller version or there hasnt been in a pretty long time
Great video as always! I was wondering, how did you get the aoa and turn rate to be displayed like that when you were testing out the performance?
Search WTRTI for war thunder
Most likely WTRTI.
Gaijin trying to model aircraft ammunition correctly: Impossible
Glad this is at 12.3 thanks gaijin
It's Gripping time!
Looking forward to fly with this plane after 2-3 years grinding :D
Just sat down for a shit at work, checking if you posted the video yet. Thanks
The true top dog of this update 🔥🦅
not reALLY
@@crakenplease3164maybe if they fix all the bugs on it such as no aoa on a delta aircraft or gun doing 0 damage it would be but we can’t fault the aircraft itself for that
@@legendbee9579Su-27 wins purely on missile count and power. 4x R73, 2x R27ET, and 4x R27ER crushes other planes.
@@cookiecraze1310ground level defeats all radar missiles anyways lol
@@GothicHellhound oh no, they only have 6 of the two best IR missiles in the game! Whatever will they do!
Also the R27ER's are great for catching out an enemy that pulled up for whatever reason (maybe a plane above them, maybe dodging, idk) since it starts up very quickly and is ridiculously fast and manoeuvres well.
the only plane im actually excited for this update.
Seems like passing out is hard to predict since the screen stops getting darker after a certain point. It’d be nice if the screen continued getting darker as you got closer to passing out to the point where it’s completely black because you’ve actually blacked out.
What allowed you to see the AoA and Deg./s on the planes DEFYN? Seems really cool but I have no idea how to get it.
Its WRTI
Chat was lively and well in the last game, true Defyn enjoyers
When it comes to these aircraft in a dogfight, players need to keep in mind what they're good at vs their opponents like with props. F-16 > F-14 > F-15 > Mig-29 > Su-27 > Gripen. Going from the F-16 downwards, the aircraft listed first should be fighting in a 2-circle against any listed below, and any below should be using a 1-circle against any listed above. The Su-27 flight model seems pretty accurate IMO. It's just so responsive to high AoA maneuvers like the Mig-29, it's really easy for pilots to over-commit to high AoA maneuvers and drain all their energy. This is like an F-16 going full elevator instead of maintaining a 450 kt turn. They both turn into bricks. The Su-27 is just a lot less forgiving for greedy plays.
How did you yet the AoA HUD like that? I know WTRTI exists and I use it, but how do you make a number turn red when it hits a certain value?
are swedes handheld because there are some on the devteam, or because there are some under the devteam's desks?
I’ve been a Grippin fanboy for a while now, and I use periodic flares, 6x AIM-9Ms, and I just send it into the gaggle of enemies at the very start. There’s so many flares and I play bait for so many of them that my wr is a 91% in it and I have a 5.0 K/D because they have to shoot me to kill me, and I’m small and maneuverable. It’s stupid easy but it’s the most giggle fun I’ve had in this game in years
How do you see the AoA and that extra stuff in the beginning?
Defyn or anyone else. How does he have those extra stats by the rwr shows aoa thrust etc.
7:30 this dogfight was so cinematic
Defyn, have you tried to make the recording software higher priority to get rid of the stutters ?
How would i do that?
@@DEFYN either, if you are using OBS, you have that is the settings somewhere. have been ages since i fooked around there. OR if you are using something els, you need to find the process in task manager and manually put it in higher priority. hope my botched English is understandable. =O
@@ReNameMe il try it out thanks
Perfectly understandable:)
@@DEFYN Nice, glad to help. if it helps. =)
It physically hurts me to see the canards behaving like elevators as well as being pilot controlled. I know the 3d model doesn't necessarily reflect the flight model, but seeing the 3d model of the canards forcing your nose down every time you try to pull up is just absurd
Defyn what are you using to get the flight data at 1:14 - 4:13
It's the Grip Gobblin
Honestly, so far been enjoying this plane. It’s still a bit broken due to too much engine power and fm still strong rn, already got cannon ammo nerfed though :/
Not so much the engine power it’s basically because the plane is so light. After the nerfs I would say it’s in a pretty good spot
Jepicus
how you fix Weapon selector?
When you take only aim-9m that is look 6/6 on selector
But you take aim-9m with FLS you have 2/6 and 4/6 slice 2 step rotate W selector
This thing with the sky flashes actually ain’t bad all aspect at closer ranges, radar keeps lock pretty good
people love to dog on Skyflashes because other radar missiles are better at top tier, but Skyflashes are REALLY not bad at all. 25+ Gs directly off the rail and higher instantaneous accel than late sparrows. really good potential for all aspect kills within 6 or 7km
@@blessthismessss sky flashes are a hit or miss 7km is already pretty far for the missile
@@ferrous3262yea literally if they turn right or left the missile just cant reach them, and thats IF the radar doesnt get fucked by a 90 degree angle
@@ferrous3262 i never launched over 6 km in the fgr for the many years it was in the game and it always gets a kill
Any chance of you uploading vids in 4k? What are the barriers currently?
The barrier is over double the rendering and upload time for at most 50 people
Hilariously, literally this morning they fixed this "A bug that caused high-explosive shells from aircraft cannons to not cause damage to the fuselage section they hit if there was a module behind it has been fixed."
So might have been that?
I noted some bizarre behavior from my guns last night where people either: Died to fire, Died to Pilot snipe, Exploded into a fire ball, or they just shrugged off my cannon rounds like they weren't hitting them. Super annoying.
absolutely W play there at the end and by a premium no less.
I like how they needed the ammo count on a plane with 6 missiles total and skyflashes as it’s best radar missile
Nerfed
Accurate nerf
It has 120 rounds irl
The same patch that reduced the ammo also changed cannon damage. Might've made it better.
Nope. Still hits like wet farts
Quite the grippen story.
It really should pull more AOA and bleed way more speed. Right now it feels like an F-16A flight model.
disable the instructor
@@ishiddddd4783 yeah but it shouldn't be holding speed the way it does. The F16C bleeds more speed in a turn lol. Switching to full sim controls makes every plane feel super unstable.
Shit does look cool, like something out of star wars
Ball gribber
Does anyone know how to get the AoA indicators and turn rate stuff on screen?
0:01 Flyout mentioned
what are you using to get that extra information ?
So this thing is basically a J-7E on steroids with better IR missiles.
WOOD GRAIN IM GRIPEN
Can you do a Mirage 4000 review in the next video, please?
How do i get that small red emblem you have on your wing?
I know this isnt a video about the F15 or Su27 but which do you guys think is better (im more concerned about F15 vs J11 if that matters at all, because my china tree is almost finished much more compared to russia and the j11 is practically the same) i dont know which jet to grind towards first
Su27 vid coming in an hour or so
F15 is more well rounded and the su27 is a missile bus and has put all its points into offensive capabilities
So is the title a reference to your community post?
I waited months for this plane to be added just to make a deez nuts joke
Do not understate my achievement 😭😭
It's nice to have something that feels capable at top tier for Britain. I think the last time we where truly top tier competetive was the hunter fg1.
You lose out on some easy bvr kills, but honestly that's a trade I'm willing to make for that close in effectiveness. It's also fun to see the Russian and American mains have tantrum because they're not the best at everything.
14:06 the guy was so desperate he recognized you @DEFYN ahah
waiting for that M4000 vid
How did you get the AOA stat to show up in WT?
Gaijin, PLEASE give Hungary an air tree! I want to fly this thing!
Dude, if you like viking rock…
You have to listen to the band: Hulkoff, song: Einherjr 🤘🏻
How are u getting all that extra information such as AOA in test flight?
WTRTI, and yes, it's perfectly legal
Gripen is the Ariete of top tier
Its just sad how gimped the Mig-29 FM is compared to other top tiers
I like my girls like i like my planes....
Wish they hadn’t nerfed the FL. It shouldn’t have been able to have an AOA limiter from Project Wingman, but the old turn rate was correct. They really gotta turn everything into some sort of derivative of something else.
Do you think su27 flight model will get Change/buff?
Most likely no, gaijin sucks at fms of russian planes. MiG-29 and now su-27 is underperforming, but J-7E, which is just a mig-21 with modified wings, somehow outturns mig-29 and even f-16c...
I think not, US main will crying so hard
Know we back to situation where new top tier US eat USSR in dogfight for breakfast
Where in RL they are pretty even matchup
GRIIIIIIIIPEN
How does this compare with the 4k?
It's always frustrating when a kill doesn't count because the game was over.
If the target was damaged before the game ended and explodes afterwards, it should count as kill.
But having games end due to tickets is annoying anyway.
Rip the ammo 512 will be missed
2:20 HOW DO GET THOSE METRICS PLS HELP
3:01 Me and my friend tested with both stock planes (Jas 39 and Su 27), you need to use flaps on the Su 27 to use the full potential
even spaded you will drop down to 300kph with takeoff flaps you will just fall out of the air
It might be beneficial in a dogfight but in a turn like that it doesn't help you
just tested it
stock is:
without flaps 320/330kph at 14.5 deg/s
With takeoff flaps 290 13.5 deg/s
With landing flaps 265/280kph at 13.2 deg/s
It's straight up worse
And just for refrence
Spaded:
Without flaps 340/345 15-15.5 deg/s
With takeoff 300/310 14.5 deg/s
I was expecting the gripen to perform similar to a hornet lose a good amount of speed while RIPPING AOA coming around the circle under 420kts and be a brick above 480kts
gripen is quite a bit less maneuverable than a f18C/A
Hey DEFYN! Please play the MiG-17 after you've covered the update.