It's was so cursed trying to grind for the British Gripen. The Tornado is complete ass in terms of it's flight characteristics and the AIM-9Ls are nowhere near as good as they used to be and rarely ever will hit an enemy that's paying attention. You can't even sneak up on then because you're a tornado. The Skyflash supertemp is just OK... It's kinda mid. The Brit Phantom is basically unplayable with all these SU-27s MIG-29s and F-15s running around. The Harrier was the only thing that was remotely playable annnd well. It has great missiles...thats it. It's subsonic, it's slow, it has no radar, you can't really dogfight. You turn well for about two turns and then you run out of energy. Sometimes you can squeak a goblin ass kill with VTOL but most of the time VS anything quick and Maneuverable you just die. You're like a vulture, hang out low on the edge of the battle, pick up any scraps that get seperated and hope and pray you kill them with your first missile. The grind was worth it tho. The Gripen C is the first British Jet in awhile that actually feels like it's in a good place in the meta. Last time I felt like this was when the Hunter F1 dominated and when the Hunter F6 was introduced with SRAAMs before they got nerfed several times and flares became widespread.
@@Nox_Desiree I used the Phantom FGR.2 and Harrier gr.7, ironically using the gr.7 as a fighter and the fgr.2 to bomb bases. The Harrier can dogfight anything with landing flaps and I managed to kill a lot of Su-27s and such and such with it
so I stock grinded the FGR.2, and it was horrible because 50k rp minimum before researching other missiles, but once you have the skyflashes it's pretty good because most players don't really know how to dodge them in a head on or hug the deck like I do which makes getting 3/4 kill games very easy, the 9Gs are pointless tho
I'm still wondering what makes Gaijin think that a delta wing doesn't pull AOA. Does this also happen in real life with modern delta wings? Also oh boy the development placeholder flight model was ubercracked now feels like an adf
Well aoa with a delta wing essentially means you'll be pissing away all your energy faster than {insert something that's quite fast and funny}. Furthermore sometimes it's limited by the fcs as it does create a lot of turbulence behind the wing the vertical stab has to cope with
When you pull more than a certain AoA, your delta act as a massive airbrake. They modified the authority of the control surfaces so that it doesn't pull more than 12g, so if you want to pull AoA, you need to slow down under a certain speed
Delta wings are actually designed for speed, the speed bleed is a downside of high AOA, not a desired characteristic. That said, if you’re fast enough to keep the AOA low, deltas can rate extremely well - especially if they have the thrust available to power through the airbraking/AOA issue.
maybe its about time gaijing adds custom belts, having your gun do damage based on luck doesnt seem like a good way to balance a vehicle, specially in top tier where you might only hit one or two rounds per pass
I adore this jet, it's so good. It's super small to evade missiles and strafes, the aim9ms are incredible, it has a lower heat signature than the dual engine jets and comes with large calibre flares so I hardly get touched. The HMD is great to lock targets before nose turns to them, along with good nose authority. I'm currently 17 deaths 63 kills, by going right, not left and just cutting through the enemy pack and I'm not even a good pilot. The ace crew really helps with withstanding the G's you can pull!
I had a similar game where I got 8 kills by just flying in the mountains and keeping it around mach. I had 5 of them behind me and i picked them off one by one using the Terrain and the insane aoa it has around 800. I love this plane
Not sure how much sense it makes for the JAS 39 to fly similarily to an F-16, considering their very different designs. I expected something more like a JA 37 on LSD where you can pull alot of AOA but you actually have good thrust this time so you can do it more sustained.
The Gripen was designed to fight Flankers and MiG-29's, so the F-16like flight characteristics make sense. The difference is Gripens can take off from or land on any airfield, and get rearmed and refueled in less than 10 minutes, making them perfect defensive fighters.
My comment was made more from a point of view regarding aerodynamics, not doctrine. Sure there definetly are similarities like the low weight, single engine and induced instability, but my point was more in relation to the difference in design of wings and control surfaces, which would naturally effect how a plane manouvers. The F-16 has a cropped delta wing with rear elevators while the JAS 39 has a "standard" delta wing with fully mobile canards. Both are highly effective dogfighters but I feel like the differences in design should mean they accomplish this feat in different ways. 😄 @@brunobegic3841
@@brunobegic3841 that + it's renowned for its BVR knife fighting capabilities, it was always intended to fight russian planes and trade favourably without endangering precious swedish airframes & pilots. which is a little weird, it should have launched with advanced fox 3s
@@HarrDarr I think your overestimating how prevalent fox 3 missiles were when these 4th gens were being made, F-18, F-16, and F-15 all used sparrows for quite some time.
@@skull1161 Gripen was not service ready until the latter half of the 90s, it has a far more modern suite of avionics, EW, radar than all the 4th gen US & soviet fighters. It's younger than the aim120 for instance. Consider that the russian r27 was far more formidable than any US/NATO estimation, though Sweden correctly assessed that it needed a longer and more accurate missile to strike at a numerically stronger enemy in the event of a war. Sweden could never afford to lose airframes at an even 1:10 ratio, if war broke out with the soviet union. Gripen is designed with the F16 and the Flanker in mind, when it comes to realistic opponents that it may face. Now the Gripen, especially the C/D variants have gone above and beyond in their capabilities but are getting quite ancient and their frames are limited, hence the need for the NG program which is a completely new plane.
So because there is no thrust reverser on the Jas39, it uses the canards as extra airbrakes to stop at a shorter distance when landing. I was hoping this would be implemented since the dev server but it remains absent. It was even written about the feature in the devblog. I can't post on the forum so someone please bring this up to Gaijin because right now the stopping distance is like 1km instead of 400m when touching down at 300 kph. Very sad to see this essential feature of the Gripen be missing.
The canards are modeled entirely incorrectly and moving in the opposite direction that they should. So im kinda just hoping they are being ignored by the game engine, because currently they would hurt performance
@@filblo503 did we watch the same video? To me it looks like the canards are tilting in the same direction as the elevators on the wings as well as responding directly to control surface inputs. So instead of added lift to the nose, its actually providing a downward force like an elevator (at least visually)
@@communisticus191 if you look at 2 minutes you can see them working correctly. He is pulling up on the stick to turn and the canards point correctly up. They worked right in the dev server but i havent had the chance to test it in the live server as im currently on the j29f
at around 7:55 when you are talking about having the best results with the default belt, it could be because the other belts have solid AP rounds with poor post-pen, or HEF shells which are super inconsistent (yay Real Shatter) Since the default belt just uses the PELE-T and APHE rounds it isn't affected as much
It physically hurts me to see the canards behaving like elevators as well as being pilot controlled. I know the 3d model doesn't necessarily reflect the flight model, but seeing the 3d model of the canards forcing your nose down every time you try to pull up is just absurd
@@crakenplease3164maybe if they fix all the bugs on it such as no aoa on a delta aircraft or gun doing 0 damage it would be but we can’t fault the aircraft itself for that
@@GothicHellhound oh no, they only have 6 of the two best IR missiles in the game! Whatever will they do! Also the R27ER's are great for catching out an enemy that pulled up for whatever reason (maybe a plane above them, maybe dodging, idk) since it starts up very quickly and is ridiculously fast and manoeuvres well.
@@ishiddddd4783 yeah but it shouldn't be holding speed the way it does. The F16C bleeds more speed in a turn lol. Switching to full sim controls makes every plane feel super unstable.
Hilariously, literally this morning they fixed this "A bug that caused high-explosive shells from aircraft cannons to not cause damage to the fuselage section they hit if there was a module behind it has been fixed." So might have been that? I noted some bizarre behavior from my guns last night where people either: Died to fire, Died to Pilot snipe, Exploded into a fire ball, or they just shrugged off my cannon rounds like they weren't hitting them. Super annoying.
It is, but it's a little less insane and more about inconsistencies with the game when you learn about how the instructor in war thunder works, and how it absolutely makes it impossible to ratefight in the way these jets were designed for. take a look at his recorded turnrate stats on the F-16 in this video; under 20deg/s is BAD for an F-16 and it makes sense the harder you think about war thunder's instructor controls. people think ratefighting is purely sustained turn, so they hold S and do just that- turn. the instructor in turn interprets this as the player desiring the strongest elevator input as possible, which is the LAST thing you want in a ratefight. like look at the video, his F-16 is literally below 400kph in a turn- thats SLOW for a viper. Because of this, you obviously bleed way more speed and just sit at these ludicrously low numbers as a result. The F-16 is meant to ratefight at a pretty high speed, over 750km/h usually, but here in war thunder people just hold S and get into these comedically slow """rate""" fights. next time you find yourself in the time and place for it, instead of holding S, try using your mouse cursor by dragging it over the bandit when you ratefight them so you're turning in, and then neg-G counteract the turn very slightly and gently until you can reach proper speeds (every jet has a 'corner speed like a car') and suddenly you'll find the F-16 and perhaps even F-14B with wings out could fuck with a gripen quite readily. then you'll *really* see what a max performing teen-series fighter looks like -assuming minimum weight of these aircraft-
@@jaek__ it arguably keeps you safer than full commit holding S for one guy since your average speed doesnt drop so low. also quote "time and place" in my 3rd para
@@meehaiii tapping and neg G'ing is common practice for anyone not trying to pass out anyway you can 'smartly' full send for one person and die with just a little bit more airspeed
@@jaek__ you can also use that airspeed to just not full send for only one guy. i've ratefought multiple bandits doing exactly what my advice states, even in air rb lol
even spaded you will drop down to 300kph with takeoff flaps you will just fall out of the air It might be beneficial in a dogfight but in a turn like that it doesn't help you
just tested it stock is: without flaps 320/330kph at 14.5 deg/s With takeoff flaps 290 13.5 deg/s With landing flaps 265/280kph at 13.2 deg/s It's straight up worse And just for refrence Spaded: Without flaps 340/345 15-15.5 deg/s With takeoff 300/310 14.5 deg/s
I’ve been a Grippin fanboy for a while now, and I use periodic flares, 6x AIM-9Ms, and I just send it into the gaggle of enemies at the very start. There’s so many flares and I play bait for so many of them that my wr is a 91% in it and I have a 5.0 K/D because they have to shoot me to kill me, and I’m small and maneuverable. It’s stupid easy but it’s the most giggle fun I’ve had in this game in years
When it comes to these aircraft in a dogfight, players need to keep in mind what they're good at vs their opponents like with props. F-16 > F-14 > F-15 > Mig-29 > Su-27 > Gripen. Going from the F-16 downwards, the aircraft listed first should be fighting in a 2-circle against any listed below, and any below should be using a 1-circle against any listed above. The Su-27 flight model seems pretty accurate IMO. It's just so responsive to high AoA maneuvers like the Mig-29, it's really easy for pilots to over-commit to high AoA maneuvers and drain all their energy. This is like an F-16 going full elevator instead of maintaining a 450 kt turn. They both turn into bricks. The Su-27 is just a lot less forgiving for greedy plays.
I was expecting the gripen to perform similar to a hornet lose a good amount of speed while RIPPING AOA coming around the circle under 420kts and be a brick above 480kts
people love to dog on Skyflashes because other radar missiles are better at top tier, but Skyflashes are REALLY not bad at all. 25+ Gs directly off the rail and higher instantaneous accel than late sparrows. really good potential for all aspect kills within 6 or 7km
Honestly, so far been enjoying this plane. It’s still a bit broken due to too much engine power and fm still strong rn, already got cannon ammo nerfed though :/
Seems like passing out is hard to predict since the screen stops getting darker after a certain point. It’d be nice if the screen continued getting darker as you got closer to passing out to the point where it’s completely black because you’ve actually blacked out.
It's always frustrating when a kill doesn't count because the game was over. If the target was damaged before the game ended and explodes afterwards, it should count as kill. But having games end due to tickets is annoying anyway.
It's nice to have something that feels capable at top tier for Britain. I think the last time we where truly top tier competetive was the hunter fg1. You lose out on some easy bvr kills, but honestly that's a trade I'm willing to make for that close in effectiveness. It's also fun to see the Russian and American mains have tantrum because they're not the best at everything.
Hold the actual bus..... This thing had 512 cannon rounds before?!!!! Fuck me!!! That's all I wanted to make this plane perfect! I want my ammo back! 300 at least! Why does the snail hate dog fights?! Sweden never got anything with ammo the whole way up the tech tree they could at least give us this on our best plane!!!
@@SapphosSails the actual reason for it not having much ammo is just because that's what the gripen had IRL. The 512 rounds of ammo comes from them apparently just copying it's ammo from the F-16. Personally, I just hope they drop the Gripen E, since it'll compare much better to the new 4.5 gen fighters that are coming into the game. 9 missiles wouldn't hurt either.
Wish they hadn’t nerfed the FL. It shouldn’t have been able to have an AOA limiter from Project Wingman, but the old turn rate was correct. They really gotta turn everything into some sort of derivative of something else.
are you doing this by hand for each flare ? that they come so harmonicly like a musical beat . or just holding button down and then each second one flare ? i don t even know waht to type into the search field under control options for that
Defyn when you get done with all this top tier game play can you fly the J-21 out? ie noticed theres no videos on its propeller version or there hasnt been in a pretty long time
how you fix Weapon selector? When you take only aim-9m that is look 6/6 on selector But you take aim-9m with FLS you have 2/6 and 4/6 slice 2 step rotate W selector
I don't think I've had a more fun or easier plane to fly than the JAS39A, I'm pretty much still stock (only had the flare upgrade this match) and I just had a really fun dogfight against 2 f-16s where I got lucky at the end that the barak II missed his shot so I could get on his six after the stall, makes me sad that top tier is a missile-fest cause I've really honestly never had more fun doing that dogfight than my entire time in my recent war thunder history, the Gripen just goes hard
What a time to be alive. Imagine just trying to grind your Phantom and you have to fight this Gremlin.
My experience grinding for the British Gripen. T_T
Me, right now
It's was so cursed trying to grind for the British Gripen.
The Tornado is complete ass in terms of it's flight characteristics and the AIM-9Ls are nowhere near as good as they used to be and rarely ever will hit an enemy that's paying attention. You can't even sneak up on then because you're a tornado. The Skyflash supertemp is just OK... It's kinda mid.
The Brit Phantom is basically unplayable with all these SU-27s MIG-29s and F-15s running around.
The Harrier was the only thing that was remotely playable annnd well. It has great missiles...thats it.
It's subsonic, it's slow, it has no radar, you can't really dogfight. You turn well for about two turns and then you run out of energy. Sometimes you can squeak a goblin ass kill with VTOL but most of the time VS anything quick and Maneuverable you just die. You're like a vulture, hang out low on the edge of the battle, pick up any scraps that get seperated and hope and pray you kill them with your first missile.
The grind was worth it tho. The Gripen C is the first British Jet in awhile that actually feels like it's in a good place in the meta. Last time I felt like this was when the Hunter F1 dominated and when the Hunter F6 was introduced with SRAAMs before they got nerfed several times and flares became widespread.
@@Nox_Desiree I used the Phantom FGR.2 and Harrier gr.7, ironically using the gr.7 as a fighter and the fgr.2 to bomb bases. The Harrier can dogfight anything with landing flaps and I managed to kill a lot of Su-27s and such and such with it
so I stock grinded the FGR.2, and it was horrible because 50k rp minimum before researching other missiles, but once you have the skyflashes it's pretty good because most players don't really know how to dodge them in a head on or hug the deck like I do which makes getting 3/4 kill games very easy, the 9Gs are pointless tho
Defyn trying not to make a nutz joke for a day (Impossible)
i didn't make one yesterday!
@@DEFYNwell... as far as WE know at least.... 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐
@@DEFYN Fake news
@@DEFYNDefyn trying not to make a nutz joke every other day (impossible)
@@DEFYNwhat if you did… but it wasn’t as a joke
damn this thing has more flares and chaff than the a-10
magic of BOL pods
Defyn been waiting for the grippen to pull that joke 😂
The rare air battle featuring Hazey, truly a Christmas miracle if ever there was one.
Ammo got reduced to 120, and yes, it's historically accurate.
At least that is one change that is actually historically accurate.
Accurate, but doesnt ffel balnced when the SU has about 900
@@Iniesta9701150 30mm rounds. It’s the F-15 that has 940 rounds of 20mm.
@@Iniesta970 it has 150 but yea
@@Iniesta970 the su has 150
Man the dogfight portrayed in this video is the best one i've ever seen, even among your ones.
I'm still wondering what makes Gaijin think that a delta wing doesn't pull AOA. Does this also happen in real life with modern delta wings? Also oh boy the development placeholder flight model was ubercracked now feels like an adf
Well aoa with a delta wing essentially means you'll be pissing away all your energy faster than {insert something that's quite fast and funny}.
Furthermore sometimes it's limited by the fcs as it does create a lot of turbulence behind the wing the vertical stab has to cope with
When you pull more than a certain AoA, your delta act as a massive airbrake.
They modified the authority of the control surfaces so that it doesn't pull more than 12g, so if you want to pull AoA, you need to slow down under a certain speed
Delta wings are actually designed for speed, the speed bleed is a downside of high AOA, not a desired characteristic.
That said, if you’re fast enough to keep the AOA low, deltas can rate extremely well - especially if they have the thrust available to power through the airbraking/AOA issue.
Because they don’t know what they are doing? I thought this was clear.
This update has showed how many people have very little understanding of aerodynamics 💀
group testicle inspection in 30 min
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Can I reschedule?
@@midtierplayer3890 might have to sit this one out
Already got an ace with it. Fantastic flight performance with unlimited flares = profit.
maybe its about time gaijing adds custom belts, having your gun do damage based on luck doesnt seem like a good way to balance a vehicle, specially in top tier where you might only hit one or two rounds per pass
If you could customize belts what would you go for?
@@Persona6Blue i would go all tracers APHE
@@cookiewookie1446HVAP only
@@Persona6Blue I'd finally know if the rounds that do damage are AP or HE because holy shit I can not figure out which 20mm round is the problem
@@dutch24you can always go back to the good ol protection analysis
All Gripens ammunition count just got nerfed to 120
I don’t mind that if they fix the god damn guy doing 0 damage
@@legendbee9579agree, damage is awful
i loved the ammo :( i actually got ammo to learn the gun now its useless with the 0 dmg it does
Why are people saying it doesn't deal damage, in my experience it evaporates the ememy
@@badrepputation which belt u use?
“you’re the winner in my head”
Bought a mug... it came... amazingly perfect quality.
Grippen. more like, Blakken.
cause that's all I could see the entire video
I adore this jet, it's so good. It's super small to evade missiles and strafes, the aim9ms are incredible, it has a lower heat signature than the dual engine jets and comes with large calibre flares so I hardly get touched. The HMD is great to lock targets before nose turns to them, along with good nose authority. I'm currently 17 deaths 63 kills, by going right, not left and just cutting through the enemy pack and I'm not even a good pilot. The ace crew really helps with withstanding the G's you can pull!
Typical rat plane for brainless timmys
The title is a work of art.
I had a similar game where I got 8 kills by just flying in the mountains and keeping it around mach.
I had 5 of them behind me and i picked them off one by one using the Terrain and the insane aoa it has around 800. I love this plane
Für all who wondered:
AOA = angle of attack
Gaijin trying to model aircraft ammunition correctly: Impossible
Love your commentary, great video!
The Defussy do be Grippen
Not sure how much sense it makes for the JAS 39 to fly similarily to an F-16, considering their very different designs. I expected something more like a JA 37 on LSD where you can pull alot of AOA but you actually have good thrust this time so you can do it more sustained.
The Gripen was designed to fight Flankers and MiG-29's, so the F-16like flight characteristics make sense. The difference is Gripens can take off from or land on any airfield, and get rearmed and refueled in less than 10 minutes, making them perfect defensive fighters.
My comment was made more from a point of view regarding aerodynamics, not doctrine. Sure there definetly are similarities like the low weight, single engine and induced instability, but my point was more in relation to the difference in design of wings and control surfaces, which would naturally effect how a plane manouvers. The F-16 has a cropped delta wing with rear elevators while the JAS 39 has a "standard" delta wing with fully mobile canards. Both are highly effective dogfighters but I feel like the differences in design should mean they accomplish this feat in different ways. 😄 @@brunobegic3841
@@brunobegic3841 that + it's renowned for its BVR knife fighting capabilities, it was always intended to fight russian planes and trade favourably without endangering precious swedish airframes & pilots.
which is a little weird, it should have launched with advanced fox 3s
@@HarrDarr I think your overestimating how prevalent fox 3 missiles were when these 4th gens were being made, F-18, F-16, and F-15 all used sparrows for quite some time.
@@skull1161 Gripen was not service ready until the latter half of the 90s, it has a far more modern suite of avionics, EW, radar than all the 4th gen US & soviet fighters. It's younger than the aim120 for instance.
Consider that the russian r27 was far more formidable than any US/NATO estimation, though Sweden correctly assessed that it needed a longer and more accurate missile to strike at a numerically stronger enemy in the event of a war. Sweden could never afford to lose airframes at an even 1:10 ratio, if war broke out with the soviet union.
Gripen is designed with the F16 and the Flanker in mind, when it comes to realistic opponents that it may face. Now the Gripen, especially the C/D variants have gone above and beyond in their capabilities but are getting quite ancient and their frames are limited, hence the need for the NG program which is a completely new plane.
So because there is no thrust reverser on the Jas39, it uses the canards as extra airbrakes to stop at a shorter distance when landing. I was hoping this would be implemented since the dev server but it remains absent. It was even written about the feature in the devblog. I can't post on the forum so someone please bring this up to Gaijin because right now the stopping distance is like 1km instead of 400m when touching down at 300 kph. Very sad to see this essential feature of the Gripen be missing.
The canards are modeled entirely incorrectly and moving in the opposite direction that they should. So im kinda just hoping they are being ignored by the game engine, because currently they would hurt performance
@@communisticus191really? They were turning the right direction last time i checked.
@@communisticus191yeah no the canards are turning the right direction in this video so
@@filblo503 did we watch the same video? To me it looks like the canards are tilting in the same direction as the elevators on the wings as well as responding directly to control surface inputs. So instead of added lift to the nose, its actually providing a downward force like an elevator (at least visually)
@@communisticus191 if you look at 2 minutes you can see them working correctly. He is pulling up on the stick to turn and the canards point correctly up.
They worked right in the dev server but i havent had the chance to test it in the live server as im currently on the j29f
Ive seen a few of ur videos, I am subscribed now! Havent seen your videos for ages
Defyn you just alienated every player that hides at their airbase! Good :)
at around 7:55 when you are talking about having the best results with the default belt,
it could be because the other belts have solid AP rounds with poor post-pen, or HEF shells which are super inconsistent (yay Real Shatter)
Since the default belt just uses the PELE-T and APHE rounds it isn't affected as much
0:01 Flyout mentioned
Defyn never fails to make my ass and spread my day.
Chat was lively and well in the last game, true Defyn enjoyers
It physically hurts me to see the canards behaving like elevators as well as being pilot controlled. I know the 3d model doesn't necessarily reflect the flight model, but seeing the 3d model of the canards forcing your nose down every time you try to pull up is just absurd
7:30 this dogfight was so cinematic
Intense vid man. TNX!
It's Gripping time!
great brawl at the end dude!
So this thing is basically a J-7E on steroids with better IR missiles.
The true top dog of this update 🔥🦅
not reALLY
@@crakenplease3164maybe if they fix all the bugs on it such as no aoa on a delta aircraft or gun doing 0 damage it would be but we can’t fault the aircraft itself for that
@@legendbee9579Su-27 wins purely on missile count and power. 4x R73, 2x R27ET, and 4x R27ER crushes other planes.
@@cookiecraze1310ground level defeats all radar missiles anyways lol
@@GothicHellhound oh no, they only have 6 of the two best IR missiles in the game! Whatever will they do!
Also the R27ER's are great for catching out an enemy that pulled up for whatever reason (maybe a plane above them, maybe dodging, idk) since it starts up very quickly and is ridiculously fast and manoeuvres well.
I like how they needed the ammo count on a plane with 6 missiles total and skyflashes as it’s best radar missile
Nerfed
Accurate nerf
It has 120 rounds irl
I’m very exited for other gipen in the future 🎉
Glad this is at 12.3 thanks gaijin
It really should pull more AOA and bleed way more speed. Right now it feels like an F-16A flight model.
disable the instructor
@@ishiddddd4783 yeah but it shouldn't be holding speed the way it does. The F16C bleeds more speed in a turn lol. Switching to full sim controls makes every plane feel super unstable.
Hilariously, literally this morning they fixed this "A bug that caused high-explosive shells from aircraft cannons to not cause damage to the fuselage section they hit if there was a module behind it has been fixed."
So might have been that?
I noted some bizarre behavior from my guns last night where people either: Died to fire, Died to Pilot snipe, Exploded into a fire ball, or they just shrugged off my cannon rounds like they weren't hitting them. Super annoying.
It's the Grip Gobblin
23 deg/s SUSTAINED turn rate is absolutely insane
It is, but it's a little less insane and more about inconsistencies with the game when you learn about how the instructor in war thunder works, and how it absolutely makes it impossible to ratefight in the way these jets were designed for.
take a look at his recorded turnrate stats on the F-16 in this video; under 20deg/s is BAD for an F-16 and it makes sense the harder you think about war thunder's instructor controls. people think ratefighting is purely sustained turn, so they hold S and do just that- turn. the instructor in turn interprets this as the player desiring the strongest elevator input as possible, which is the LAST thing you want in a ratefight. like look at the video, his F-16 is literally below 400kph in a turn- thats SLOW for a viper.
Because of this, you obviously bleed way more speed and just sit at these ludicrously low numbers as a result. The F-16 is meant to ratefight at a pretty high speed, over 750km/h usually, but here in war thunder people just hold S and get into these comedically slow """rate""" fights.
next time you find yourself in the time and place for it, instead of holding S, try using your mouse cursor by dragging it over the bandit when you ratefight them so you're turning in, and then neg-G counteract the turn very slightly and gently until you can reach proper speeds (every jet has a 'corner speed like a car') and suddenly you'll find the F-16 and perhaps even F-14B with wings out could fuck with a gripen quite readily. then you'll *really* see what a max performing teen-series fighter looks like -assuming minimum weight of these aircraft-
@@meehaiiithis advice almost exclusively applies to duels. doing this mid game will kill you obviously
@@jaek__ it arguably keeps you safer than full commit holding S for one guy since your average speed doesnt drop so low. also quote "time and place" in my 3rd para
@@meehaiii tapping and neg G'ing is common practice for anyone not trying to pass out anyway you can 'smartly' full send for one person and die with just a little bit more airspeed
@@jaek__ you can also use that airspeed to just not full send for only one guy. i've ratefought multiple bandits doing exactly what my advice states, even in air rb lol
the only plane im actually excited for this update.
3:01 Me and my friend tested with both stock planes (Jas 39 and Su 27), you need to use flaps on the Su 27 to use the full potential
even spaded you will drop down to 300kph with takeoff flaps you will just fall out of the air
It might be beneficial in a dogfight but in a turn like that it doesn't help you
just tested it
stock is:
without flaps 320/330kph at 14.5 deg/s
With takeoff flaps 290 13.5 deg/s
With landing flaps 265/280kph at 13.2 deg/s
It's straight up worse
And just for refrence
Spaded:
Without flaps 340/345 15-15.5 deg/s
With takeoff 300/310 14.5 deg/s
I’ve been a Grippin fanboy for a while now, and I use periodic flares, 6x AIM-9Ms, and I just send it into the gaggle of enemies at the very start. There’s so many flares and I play bait for so many of them that my wr is a 91% in it and I have a 5.0 K/D because they have to shoot me to kill me, and I’m small and maneuverable. It’s stupid easy but it’s the most giggle fun I’ve had in this game in years
When it comes to these aircraft in a dogfight, players need to keep in mind what they're good at vs their opponents like with props. F-16 > F-14 > F-15 > Mig-29 > Su-27 > Gripen. Going from the F-16 downwards, the aircraft listed first should be fighting in a 2-circle against any listed below, and any below should be using a 1-circle against any listed above. The Su-27 flight model seems pretty accurate IMO. It's just so responsive to high AoA maneuvers like the Mig-29, it's really easy for pilots to over-commit to high AoA maneuvers and drain all their energy. This is like an F-16 going full elevator instead of maintaining a 450 kt turn. They both turn into bricks. The Su-27 is just a lot less forgiving for greedy plays.
WOOD GRAIN IM GRIPEN
I like my girls like i like my planes....
Just sat down for a shit at work, checking if you posted the video yet. Thanks
Don't really play much anymore, but still enjoy your content!
Looks at the title:
_Is… Is that good?_
Quite the grippen story.
I was expecting the gripen to perform similar to a hornet lose a good amount of speed while RIPPING AOA coming around the circle under 420kts and be a brick above 480kts
gripen is quite a bit less maneuverable than a f18C/A
Ball gribber
Its just sad how gimped the Mig-29 FM is compared to other top tiers
This thing with the sky flashes actually ain’t bad all aspect at closer ranges, radar keeps lock pretty good
people love to dog on Skyflashes because other radar missiles are better at top tier, but Skyflashes are REALLY not bad at all. 25+ Gs directly off the rail and higher instantaneous accel than late sparrows. really good potential for all aspect kills within 6 or 7km
@@meehaiii sky flashes are a hit or miss 7km is already pretty far for the missile
@@ferrous3262yea literally if they turn right or left the missile just cant reach them, and thats IF the radar doesnt get fucked by a 90 degree angle
@@ferrous3262 i never launched over 6 km in the fgr for the many years it was in the game and it always gets a kill
Honestly, so far been enjoying this plane. It’s still a bit broken due to too much engine power and fm still strong rn, already got cannon ammo nerfed though :/
Not so much the engine power it’s basically because the plane is so light. After the nerfs I would say it’s in a pretty good spot
Seems like passing out is hard to predict since the screen stops getting darker after a certain point. It’d be nice if the screen continued getting darker as you got closer to passing out to the point where it’s completely black because you’ve actually blacked out.
How do you see the AoA and that extra stuff in the beginning?
It's always frustrating when a kill doesn't count because the game was over.
If the target was damaged before the game ended and explodes afterwards, it should count as kill.
But having games end due to tickets is annoying anyway.
The Russia mains are about enjoy all the energy retention the swedes used to with the Viggen.
Looking forward to fly with this plane after 2-3 years grinding :D
The same patch that reduced the ammo also changed cannon damage. Might've made it better.
Nope. Still hits like wet farts
Gaijin, PLEASE give Hungary an air tree! I want to fly this thing!
14:06 the guy was so desperate he recognized you @DEFYN ahah
What allowed you to see the AoA and Deg./s on the planes DEFYN? Seems really cool but I have no idea how to get it.
Its WRTI
GRIIIIIIIIPEN
Gripen is the Ariete of top tier
It's nice to have something that feels capable at top tier for Britain. I think the last time we where truly top tier competetive was the hunter fg1.
You lose out on some easy bvr kills, but honestly that's a trade I'm willing to make for that close in effectiveness. It's also fun to see the Russian and American mains have tantrum because they're not the best at everything.
The funny fact about this plane is that you can fly it with both wings ripped off
You can with most planes.
Hold the actual bus..... This thing had 512 cannon rounds before?!!!! Fuck me!!! That's all I wanted to make this plane perfect! I want my ammo back! 300 at least! Why does the snail hate dog fights?! Sweden never got anything with ammo the whole way up the tech tree they could at least give us this on our best plane!!!
10 months later and now with the AMRAMMs out it EXTRA needs the ammo they stole...
@@SapphosSails the actual reason for it not having much ammo is just because that's what the gripen had IRL. The 512 rounds of ammo comes from them apparently just copying it's ammo from the F-16. Personally, I just hope they drop the Gripen E, since it'll compare much better to the new 4.5 gen fighters that are coming into the game. 9 missiles wouldn't hurt either.
So is the title a reference to your community post?
I waited months for this plane to be added just to make a deez nuts joke
Do not understate my achievement 😭😭
2:20 HOW DO GET THOSE METRICS PLS HELP
Thank You for adding the turn stat. Could You leave it for all gameplay?
Jepicus
Shit does look cool, like something out of star wars
Defyn or anyone else. How does he have those extra stats by the rwr shows aoa thrust etc.
Rip the ammo 512 will be missed
Im about to be grippen my shlong with how this thing flies
The Gripen's definitely make me work overtime on my F-16, I'll tell you that.
Wish they hadn’t nerfed the FL. It shouldn’t have been able to have an AOA limiter from Project Wingman, but the old turn rate was correct. They really gotta turn everything into some sort of derivative of something else.
its so bs that they reduced the ammo count to what it should be without fixing the fact its still a peashooter
are you doing this by hand for each flare ? that they come so harmonicly like a musical beat . or just holding button down and then each second one flare ? i don t even know waht to type into the search field under control options for that
absolutely W play there at the end and by a premium no less.
Constantly flaring!
Defyn when you get done with all this top tier game play can you fly the J-21 out? ie noticed theres no videos on its propeller version or there hasnt been in a pretty long time
legit clicked baited by the title man, GRIPPEN DEEZZZZ NUTSSSSS
Defyn what are you using to get the flight data at 1:14 - 4:13
Hey defyn do you use a flight stick or mouse and keyboard?
Its so sad that they nerfed the ammount to 120 :ccc, its should be at least 300 honestly
how you fix Weapon selector?
When you take only aim-9m that is look 6/6 on selector
But you take aim-9m with FLS you have 2/6 and 4/6 slice 2 step rotate W selector
How did you yet the AoA HUD like that? I know WTRTI exists and I use it, but how do you make a number turn red when it hits a certain value?
waiting for that M4000 vid
....This thing is a fucking UFO
7:20 for a 27mm that is INCREDIBLY underpowered. Im literally laughing at how bad they made the gun.
I don't think I've had a more fun or easier plane to fly than the JAS39A, I'm pretty much still stock (only had the flare upgrade this match) and I just had a really fun dogfight against 2 f-16s where I got lucky at the end that the barak II missed his shot so I could get on his six after the stall, makes me sad that top tier is a missile-fest cause I've really honestly never had more fun doing that dogfight than my entire time in my recent war thunder history, the Gripen just goes hard
Lmao sure with one of the most broken flight model in game it’s not that hard…
@@teivabaudoin2666 That's why I said it was easier than any other plane I've flown, dingus
are swedes handheld because there are some on the devteam, or because there are some under the devteam's desks?
I'm so frustrated that everyone keeps saying GriPPen when it's GriPen. But yeah I also love the Eeagle and the Flankker