I want to thank you for doing these reviews. I contracted cancer just after you started and I continued to listen to you when I was unable to eat for 6 months and throughout surgeries and awful treatments. Now I'm cancer free and you've just finished. I kind of feel you accompanied me. And made me laugh a lot. Anyway, thanks to both of you.
It's a pretty decent outing considering they were rushing to finish the show (iirc this way shot in just 7 days) and had no other ideas for the penultimate episode. In fact I remember reading they weren't even sure if Michelle would be interested, as she had already turned down DS9 and her relationship with TNG producers wasn't good. In the end they did convince her to do it (I assume they overpaid her) and we got an imperfect end to what initially was a very promising character arc. I always liked this episode and turned a blind eye to the obvious shortcomings due to Michelle's absence from the show. This should also be watched alongside DS9, as it further fleshes out the Maquis who are a recurring theme in that series (right until the DS9 showrunners decide to do a 180).
I think it was an outstanding penultimate episode. It was a decent plot in a season filled with poorly written episodes. It was a nice tie in to DS9 without doing a crossover. Also, despite the time lapse or inconsistency of appearance, I believe that overall they did way better with the character and actor than they did with Denise Crosby.
I'm starting to feel that same sense of happy-sadness I felt when I was finishing up my first watch through of TNG. I've loved your reviews, hilarious perspectives, and interesting opinions. I know everyone's cheering for DS9, but I'd love to see both of your takes on Voyager! Cheers, and thanks for all the amazing vids.
I really like this episode and I really liked Ro Laren. It would have been so much better if Michelle Forbes had been featured more frequently throughout the last couple of series as she was brilliant, a real character who cut through the perfectly, squeaky clean bridge crew. This would have then been a perfect departure for her. (I realise this might have been that they did plan for Forbes to play Major Kira's character in DS9, but Forbes didn't want it). Thanks for the great reviews!
Always loved Ro, so getting this episode just before TNG ended always felt like a gift to me. I liked the way they handled her story, and she ended up with a complete arc ... Starfleet just wasn't the life she wanted, she never felt comfortable in the uniform but she respected and liked the crew - especially Picard. People often wondered what emotions were going through his mind at the end, when we see his intense face, staring in silence. Well thanks to Picard season 3 we found out 30 years later .... She broke his heart. Ro was like a troubled daughter to Picard, and it seems he pulled a lot of favours to keep Ro in Starfleet and help her move up in rank. But he never allowed himself to see the real Ro, and even though she tried hard to make him proud, a life in Starfleet just wasn't what she was meant to do at that time. I LOVE the line Picard says all these years later, just before Ro dies ... "Ro, I do see you, everything! Forgive me, It's only now"
What sort of training gets a person, especially one with Ro’s record, going from Ensign to Lieutenant, skipping Lieutenant junior grade completely? And I find it hard to believe that Picard can go into this bar with no other disguise than a change of clothes and not be recognised. I mean, Picard is a celebrated Starfleet captain of over 40 years, to say nothing of him being the lynchpin in the destruction of an entire Federation fleet and the near destruction of Earth a few years ago. That sort of thing tends to make the news and be remembered. Janeway totally stole the Maquis’ chairs for Voyager’s briefing room.
As an episode I missed when TNG was on broadcast TV (UK), I watched this on DVD last night for the first time. Maybe my expectations were unreasonably high, because of the Ensign Ro episode. Maybe the script ought to have been preemptively struck from the production schedule :-) Anyway, and although I have no information to verify the intention, it occurred to me that Picard got the karma of payback for getting the Bajoran, Ensign Sito Jaxa killed in a previous episode, Lower Decks, on a similar type of mission to the one in which the Bajoran Lieutenant Ro Laren defected to the ranks of the Maquis.
Well...the last episode is coming, damn, I'll miss this. Recently in season 5, I was looking at your reviews and now well I will miss the Star Trek TNG section...
It's so sad the end is near, but I've enjoyed all these reviews for the past seven seasons. It's been an incredible and entertaining journey and we appreciate all the time and effort you put into these reviews. I especially enjoyed your infectious laughters and jokes . You make a phenomenal team. I still watch your TNG playlist all the time. Could you give us a sneak peek of what's next? Deep Space Nine maybe?
30 years later, Star Trek: Picard would reveal that Picard was still pissed at Ro and has been rehearsing for their eventual reunion. Picard: "You broke my heart." Ro: "And you broke mine."
I still think that Macias, the cell leader, was friends with Ro's father. That it is her father, in fact, that he is talking about when he reminisces about his old friend and the hasperat .....
Writers: _"Near the end of the series? Let's tell rather than show, why not."_ Going through these videos has been a real test of how reality squares against nostalgic memories for a show.
When I was a kid I thought that while seven years was a long run the show had something left in the tank. In retrospect that was a silly thought. The show's age coupled with the creative team juggling three shows and an impending movie franchise really took a toll on the quality of this season.
Another terrorist/factionalist-we must send our higher ranking officers on an absurd undercover mission episode. I'm beginning to suspect that the Federation is just one large dysfunctional covert military organization bent on getting senior officers killed. And what for? Reducing retirement expenses? I know the post-TNG Star Trek movies include a lot of exploding starships, but I don't think anyone in Star Fleet command has prescience. Good review as always. Plenty of detail. I'm a little perplexed about the higher grades. Are these Season 7 curved grades?
Now skip to Picard Season 3 where Picard is STILL pissy with Ro and STILL deeply wounded by her betrayal of their well documented close relationship 😅🤣 the man can hold a grudge like no one else can. Or he was in love with her or something, who knows.
So many people said season 3 was good. I skipped season 1 and 2 and was more then content to just watch RLM talk about it... but so many people said it was worth the watch for s3. So I started to watch it. About... 6 weeks ago i think and got to about ep 6 or 7. Whatever the episode after that dumb episode with Seven making a weed joke and learning that all changelings regenerate with Odo's butcket .... and that just killed me. Sooooooo many problems with that season. I don't even know if i'll ever finish it. I've seen that hyped scene of the original crew boarding the enterprise D as a YT clip. That was cool. I think I got all I was going to get out of that crap pile lol.
12:15. So upset i didn't see a clip of the cardassians screaming "For Cardassia" from then ending episode of DS9. But im not the onw writing this episode lol
I always liked Ensign Ro. I wish she had more episodes. A way better female character than Troi and Crusher. But it seems Michelle Forbes was concerned about being typecast in Star Trek, that’s why she didn’t go to Deep Space Nine. It was a shame. I agree it was weird that she showed up out of the blue right before the series ended. Not sure why she didn’t do at least a couple of DS9 episodes to wrap up her character. But since she became a Maquis it might have been difficult to shoehorn her in again since the Bajorans became independent from the Cardassians.
0:46 ... they were promoting and pushing for the running at the time DS9 show. That's why I think suddenly they focused on the only relevant Bajoran in TNG.
If I remember correctly she was supposed to be a regular on DS9 But something happened where she wasn't able to play the part or they changed her minds or something. It was similar to how the character of Nick necarno was supposed to be on Voyager instead of Tom Paris. originally they were going to have Tom Paris named Nick nicarno and have him be the exact same character but then they would have had to pay royalties to the writer of lower decks so they changed the name
Surprised no one is mentioning that the reason this was the second to last episode was to set Ro up to be on DS9. The actress ultimately turned down the role and we got Kira.
Knowing encryption algorithms does not let you decrypt secrets; this is Kerckhoff's Law ... and one of the most basic tenants of cryptography ... which the writers would have known if they'd done more than 5 minutes of research (even assuming that the went to a library and looked at an introductory dead-tree book on the subject). Repeatedly during TNG, they demonstrate flagrant ignorance of cryptography and cryptanalysis. I get the sneaking suspicion that they did fairly little research beyond 'find some cool tech-shit words'.
Michael Dorn later shared at a convention he and Brent Spiner hated the bar scene so much for being so dumbly conceived and written that they deliberately sabotaged takes for hours just for poops and grins.
The Maquis were an interesting idea, but unfortunately, they were poorly developed. They establish from the beginning that the planets on the border between the Federation and Cardassia had been in dispute for decades, before people even started to settle there. They even said that Starfleet warned people not to settle those planets. So it just makes the Maquis seem like a bunch of stubborn idiots who went to live on planets they knew were dangerous. Now they won't leave when the danger that Starfleet warned them about is here and they're doing things that could drag the Federation into an interstellar war.
I hated this episode. Picard shouldn’t be surprised that Ro had the issues she had after going undercover. She gave him abundant cause to pull her out, but he threatens her with court martial if she doesn’t continue. What other outcome should he have expected.
Ummm I thought you guys were watching the show. She did become a valued member of the crew. Picard also kind of took her under his wing. "That is a quality I have known in many great starfleet officer's. You are not one of them but you could be." The plot of this episode was how can we get Ro over to Deep Space 9.
The funny thing is btw spoilers fo season 3 of picard. But in season 3 of picard the show tires to heavily imply ro and picard were as close as you are joking about well except for the party stuff lol
Ever since ro came abroad itw as SUCH a missed oppression 😭😭😭😭 tehy should have implied yes her more into the show but behind the scene problems was the result of that but I LOVED her and so many missed opportunities There was nothing creepy about the guy either idk what y’all were watching 😂😂😂
I want to thank you for doing these reviews. I contracted cancer just after you started and I continued to listen to you when I was unable to eat for 6 months and throughout surgeries and awful treatments. Now I'm cancer free and you've just finished. I kind of feel you accompanied me. And made me laugh a lot. Anyway, thanks to both of you.
Good job buddy. Live long and prosperous! 😊
all the best to you
You can't contract cancer, i guess. You can get really unlucky. Sorry to hear that, oof, godspeed.
@@BrobjeV You really want to argue semantics? Sheesh.
That's awesome -- I mean, not the cancer part ... but having this series to keep you company / have some laughs during a difficult time.
I’m going to miss these. Hope another Star Trek is reviewed
DS9
DS9
DS9
DS9
Me too
DS9 is the best show, but Voyager reviews would be more hilarious
I hope it's not DS9, that one is boring. Sit around in a station and do nothing but chat.
@bishopstars5887 yeah, but you can imagine "Move Along Home" 😁
I love the background music choices for these videos. _Row, Row, Row Your Boat_ for the final Ro-centered episode? Bahahaha!
Ohhh... *Ro*... now I get it
Lol the party montage complete with cellular peptide cake and bar fights
... with mint frosting
And Majel Barrett and Midwife Worf
this is it everyone. nothing but the finale left, almost brings a tear to the eye. congrats on this whole insane endeavor
You guys really deserve more subscribers. I've greatly enjoyed your commitment to every episode.
Thank you both for bringing back my faith in the power of the internet.
Hilarious as usual, but the "row row row your boat" made me think I was going insane.
Only 1 episode left...then we create our own version of Star Trek TNG through AI. No one will notice the difference.
Man, you just made my day.
God the row row callback and party montage were pure gold.
It's a pretty decent outing considering they were rushing to finish the show (iirc this way shot in just 7 days) and had no other ideas for the penultimate episode. In fact I remember reading they weren't even sure if Michelle would be interested, as she had already turned down DS9 and her relationship with TNG producers wasn't good. In the end they did convince her to do it (I assume they overpaid her) and we got an imperfect end to what initially was a very promising character arc. I always liked this episode and turned a blind eye to the obvious shortcomings due to Michelle's absence from the show. This should also be watched alongside DS9, as it further fleshes out the Maquis who are a recurring theme in that series (right until the DS9 showrunners decide to do a 180).
I think it was an outstanding penultimate episode. It was a decent plot in a season filled with poorly written episodes. It was a nice tie in to DS9 without doing a crossover. Also, despite the time lapse or inconsistency of appearance, I believe that overall they did way better with the character and actor than they did with Denise Crosby.
I'm starting to feel that same sense of happy-sadness I felt when I was finishing up my first watch through of TNG. I've loved your reviews, hilarious perspectives, and interesting opinions. I know everyone's cheering for DS9, but I'd love to see both of your takes on Voyager! Cheers, and thanks for all the amazing vids.
Voy get's better since season 4 imo, but DS9 is goated.
I know that the montage was a joke, but it was actually really good, reminiscent of the end of DS9.
I liked Beverly staring hungrily at naked Lwaxana.
What they forgot one of Worf’s major romantic partnerships too!?
I really like this episode and I really liked Ro Laren. It would have been so much better if Michelle Forbes had been featured more frequently throughout the last couple of series as she was brilliant, a real character who cut through the perfectly, squeaky clean bridge crew. This would have then been a perfect departure for her. (I realise this might have been that they did plan for Forbes to play Major Kira's character in DS9, but Forbes didn't want it).
Thanks for the great reviews!
You guys are the best, any time I'm in a crappy mood i put one of your videos on and my mood gets much worse so thank you
Always loved Ro, so getting this episode just before TNG ended always felt like a gift to me.
I liked the way they handled her story, and she ended up with a complete arc ... Starfleet just wasn't the life she wanted, she never felt comfortable in the uniform but she respected and liked the crew - especially Picard. People often wondered what emotions were going through his mind at the end, when we see his intense face, staring in silence. Well thanks to Picard season 3 we found out 30 years later .... She broke his heart.
Ro was like a troubled daughter to Picard, and it seems he pulled a lot of favours to keep Ro in Starfleet and help her move up in rank. But he never allowed himself to see the real Ro, and even though she tried hard to make him proud, a life in Starfleet just wasn't what she was meant to do at that time.
I LOVE the line Picard says all these years later, just before Ro dies ... "Ro, I do see you, everything! Forgive me, It's only now"
I thought it was strange the next to last episode focused on someone we haven't seen in a long time.
Quite a body of work you have created!
At least she has a wonderful life and doesn’t die.
Did you just drop a DS9, were watching it hint?
"I hope it will come up in DS9"
What sort of training gets a person, especially one with Ro’s record, going from Ensign to Lieutenant, skipping Lieutenant junior grade completely?
And I find it hard to believe that Picard can go into this bar with no other disguise than a change of clothes and not be recognised. I mean, Picard is a celebrated Starfleet captain of over 40 years, to say nothing of him being the lynchpin in the destruction of an entire Federation fleet and the near destruction of Earth a few years ago. That sort of thing tends to make the news and be remembered.
Janeway totally stole the Maquis’ chairs for Voyager’s briefing room.
As an episode I missed when TNG was on broadcast TV (UK), I watched this on DVD last night for the first time. Maybe my expectations were unreasonably high, because of the Ensign Ro episode. Maybe the script ought to have been preemptively struck from the production schedule :-) Anyway, and although I have no information to verify the intention, it occurred to me that Picard got the karma of payback for getting the Bajoran, Ensign Sito Jaxa killed in a previous episode, Lower Decks, on a similar type of mission to the one in which the Bajoran Lieutenant Ro Laren defected to the ranks of the Maquis.
Picard’s shirt is like Clark Kent’s glasses. They have special technology that distorts peoples perception of his face.
Well...the last episode is coming, damn, I'll miss this. Recently in season 5, I was looking at your reviews and now well I will miss the Star Trek TNG section...
It's so sad the end is near, but I've enjoyed all these reviews for the past seven seasons. It's been an incredible and entertaining journey and we appreciate all the time and effort you put into these reviews. I especially enjoyed your infectious laughters and jokes . You make a phenomenal team. I still watch your TNG playlist all the time. Could you give us a sneak peek of what's next? Deep Space Nine maybe?
Will you be reviewing other Star Trek shows? Will DS9 be next?
30 years later, Star Trek: Picard would reveal that Picard was still pissed at Ro and has been rehearsing for their eventual reunion.
Picard: "You broke my heart."
Ro: "And you broke mine."
God damn i'm so burning in wait for the DS9 reviews
Please keep doing Star Trek reviews, please 🙏
You guys are funny as hell!
Will you be dong this for DS9?
Good review
Sucks that Ro didn't show up in DS9 like you said. 😢😮😂❤
I still think that Macias, the cell leader, was friends with Ro's father. That it is her father, in fact, that he is talking about when he reminisces about his old friend and the hasperat .....
Writers: _"Near the end of the series? Let's tell rather than show, why not."_
Going through these videos has been a real test of how reality squares against nostalgic memories for a show.
When I was a kid I thought that while seven years was a long run the show had something left in the tank. In retrospect that was a silly thought. The show's age coupled with the creative team juggling three shows and an impending movie franchise really took a toll on the quality of this season.
Please do more Trek reviews! You guys are awesome.
Voyager or Picard next???
DS9 next
What a nice suprise for my morning shit
You take a long time.
Captain's log
You mean "shift"? Or perhaps you meant exactly what you said. On this channel, Robert and Nick would be conflicted on what you meant.
Another terrorist/factionalist-we must send our higher ranking officers on an absurd undercover mission episode.
I'm beginning to suspect that the Federation is just one large dysfunctional covert military organization bent on getting senior officers killed. And what for? Reducing retirement expenses? I know the post-TNG Star Trek movies include a lot of exploding starships, but I don't think anyone in Star Fleet command has prescience.
Good review as always. Plenty of detail. I'm a little perplexed about the higher grades. Are these Season 7 curved grades?
Now skip to Picard Season 3 where Picard is STILL pissy with Ro and STILL deeply wounded by her betrayal of their well documented close relationship 😅🤣 the man can hold a grudge like no one else can.
Or he was in love with her or something, who knows.
That was so stupid. After he did the Maquis thing himself in "Insurrection" he should have been much more understanding of what Ro did.
So many people said season 3 was good. I skipped season 1 and 2 and was more then content to just watch RLM talk about it... but so many people said it was worth the watch for s3. So I started to watch it. About... 6 weeks ago i think and got to about ep 6 or 7. Whatever the episode after that dumb episode with Seven making a weed joke and learning that all changelings regenerate with Odo's butcket .... and that just killed me. Sooooooo many problems with that season. I don't even know if i'll ever finish it. I've seen that hyped scene of the original crew boarding the enterprise D as a YT clip. That was cool. I think I got all I was going to get out of that crap pile lol.
just wait for season 3 of Picard where this gets even more ridiculous
12:15. So upset i didn't see a clip of the cardassians screaming "For Cardassia" from then ending episode of DS9. But im not the onw writing this episode lol
You say the episode is predictable, but I was surprised when Ro defected.
I love these reviews! I'm looking forward to seeing your review of All Good Things (and see if you notice the big plot hole). LOL
I always liked Ensign Ro. I wish she had more episodes. A way better female character than Troi and Crusher. But it seems Michelle Forbes was concerned about being typecast in Star Trek, that’s why she didn’t go to Deep Space Nine. It was a shame. I agree it was weird that she showed up out of the blue right before the series ended. Not sure why she didn’t do at least a couple of DS9 episodes to wrap up her character. But since she became a Maquis it might have been difficult to shoehorn her in again since the Bajorans became independent from the Cardassians.
0:46 ... they were promoting and pushing for the running at the time DS9 show. That's why I think suddenly they focused on the only relevant Bajoran in TNG.
If I remember correctly she was supposed to be a regular on DS9 But something happened where she wasn't able to play the part or they changed her minds or something.
It was similar to how the character of Nick necarno was supposed to be on Voyager instead of Tom Paris. originally they were going to have Tom Paris named Nick nicarno and have him be the exact same character but then they would have had to pay royalties to the writer of lower decks so they changed the name
The montage 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hasperat is just like a chicken wrap with lettuce, right? Even in the '90s this doesn't seem like it'd be terribly exotic-looking.
Surprised no one is mentioning that the reason this was the second to last episode was to set Ro up to be on DS9. The actress ultimately turned down the role and we got Kira.
Sigh. Kira's pretty great ... but I'd watch the hell out of a Ro version of DS9.
Knowing encryption algorithms does not let you decrypt secrets; this is Kerckhoff's Law ... and one of the most basic tenants of cryptography ... which the writers would have known if they'd done more than 5 minutes of research (even assuming that the went to a library and looked at an introductory dead-tree book on the subject). Repeatedly during TNG, they demonstrate flagrant ignorance of cryptography and cryptanalysis. I get the sneaking suspicion that they did fairly little research beyond 'find some cool tech-shit words'.
That would've been such an awesome party 🍻
I really thought y'all were free. I cannot believe they did 26 episodes for season 7.
Michael Dorn later shared at a convention he and Brent Spiner hated the bar scene so much for being so dumbly conceived and written that they deliberately sabotaged takes for hours just for poops and grins.
A better stort would be Ro was missing as she was undercover this long then went native
You guys need to do Star Trek Voyager next
Thanks guys
Oof. Admiral Nechayev. What a cougar.
💀
I liked this episode despite its flaws. I'm also a Maquis sympathizer so there is that.
i imagine the irish and palestinians can feel for them lol
Good job on the series review! Just the final episode to go.
It was a hell of a party 🍻
Just needed a nice death fake-out so that they fondly remember that time Ro and Geordi thought they were ghosts ...
Please do DS9 next!
Thank you for all the torture you guys endure watching the terrible episodes for our entertainment. This is truly one of the episodes of all time
Thankyou.
The Maquis were an interesting idea, but unfortunately, they were poorly developed. They establish from the beginning that the planets on the border between the Federation and Cardassia had been in dispute for decades, before people even started to settle there. They even said that Starfleet warned people not to settle those planets. So it just makes the Maquis seem like a bunch of stubborn idiots who went to live on planets they knew were dangerous. Now they won't leave when the danger that Starfleet warned them about is here and they're doing things that could drag the Federation into an interstellar war.
The poor development stings given that it's a crucial plot point across three shows, Voyager in particular suffering for it.
I hated this episode. Picard shouldn’t be surprised that Ro had the issues she had after going undercover. She gave him abundant cause to pull her out, but he threatens her with court martial if she doesn’t continue. What other outcome should he have expected.
You should do DS9 next!
at least she didn't come back
just to die in a stupid way
oh , no
PICARD season 3
I hope for Voyager next,
You guys HAVE to do DS9. It’s so much better!
Ferengi shennanigans, bad child acting, and Odo being a creep shapeshifting into objects spying on people Cant wait
@@Pozorrogo yeah but there’s also “Alamarain, count to four”. And other such gems
Can you guys please do the movies?? I would especially love to get your thoughts on The Motion Picture
Fakenews ... there are no Trek movies.
Ummm I thought you guys were watching the show. She did become a valued member of the crew. Picard also kind of took her under his wing. "That is a quality I have known in many great starfleet officer's. You are not one of them but you could be." The plot of this episode was how can we get Ro over to Deep Space 9.
Ensign Roe is grilled above her sexual orientation for hours, then asked to prove it.
I’d love it if you would consider an X-Files review series, but obviously your channel is entirely under your purview
why are kids singing row your boat in the background ??
The funny thing is btw spoilers fo season 3 of picard. But in season 3 of picard the show tires to heavily imply ro and picard were as close as you are joking about well except for the party stuff lol
Baybalon 5 next!
Strong women in STNG are corny and cringe more often than not.
Blame the writing.
susan ivanova from babylon 5 is how its done
@@JamesC1981 100 ... she's such a badass ... oof, now Ima have to rewatch B5.
so good
12:29
Hot Cardassian woman at 2:36
She does have a rather fetching forehead-spoon-thingy, eh?
As much as these kids love TNG, they sure do hate TNG.
Did you really just use the word racism in this context unironically!? 😂 how pathetic
First
Another great video,thanks guys.
Ever since ro came abroad itw as SUCH a missed oppression 😭😭😭😭 tehy should have implied yes her more into the show but behind the scene problems was the result of that but I LOVED her and so many missed opportunities
There was nothing creepy about the guy either idk what y’all were watching 😂😂😂