They thought he was gonna do some little warning shot across the bow. They weren't expecting D-Day, Russian style. They don't know how to react. I kinda think 9/11 went down similarly. They were amply warned but thought it was going to be a little thing like the USS Cole, but it was massive. Same deal here.
Many here would benefit from watching Oliver Stone's documentary "Ukraine of Fire". It offers good historical context and important facts not usually covered. UA-cam censored this documentary but it is available on Rumble.
Give me a break, then why didn't you have a problem, when ethnic Russians were killed in East-Ukraine for eight years? Well, acting like Nazis carries a punishment. Greetings from Berlin Germany!
Technocracy. Just political common sense would do . There are two problems and solutions were known : autonomy for the Dombass and neutrality for the Ukraine. It's simple, only techo bureaucrats, could make it complicated. And the feudalist Lords, that keep them and groom them.
yeah. The experts tell us they have all the solutions, but they instigate the problems. Madeline Albright is a perfect example of someone who was constantly trying too generate wars; constantly trying to kill millions of men, women, and children, while being regarded across the West as a great human rights advocate.
On the whole, the people making comments, here, are more knowledgeable and in touch with reality than this panel. If these people are the experts, we are in trouble. And indeed, we are.
@@r4ybc Yeah. we can hope. I think i can empathize with the many who dislike the invasion because wars should be hated. But at the same time, the US support for Nazis in Ukraine cannot go unabated. How else would Russia be able to address the problem? Maybe there are ways, but I'm not sure that any of those means are less problematic than an invasion.
He forgot the start which was Kievan Rus, the start of Russia was Kiev. Also the Azov nazis have education camps all over Ukraine to raise their warriors and are in control of police and national guard. So many American storytwllers here.
On Anna's assertion that Russia's only concern is that Ukraine seeks sovereignty: Would Russia be as concerned about a sovereign Ukraine which chose to not join EU nor NATO? If no, then is it really the sovereignty that's the problem?
Kazakhstan does not aspire to join the EU or NATO, but Russia sent troops there in January when people protested against the current regime. And if Kazakhs were able to overthrow the regime, then the Russian invasion would soon begin there too
@@tokuda888 Russia was defending Kazakhstan from a violent coup attempt by the United States. Russia failed to save Ukraine from a violent coup in 2014. America took control of the country, and that is what lead us to this point. I’m American. I always believe in MY country when wars break out. But this time it is time for me to see clearly the lies my government is telling me
I’m really sad how the US commercial media always portrays our enemies as evil and our allies as perfect and virtuous. Rarely is the anything ever that simple.
@@eddiggs5280 Anna is not objective, being a Ukrainian and too close to this. Watch Mearsheimer (2016) Why Ukraine is the West's fault, for an objective view. It has over 20M views.
I watched most of this live and despite the fact most of them had valid points or at least contributed to the discussion there were too many voices in this. If they had done this in 2 or 3 parts it would have been so much better.
@@TuberRose333 That's a really good point. I'm an engineer who's sick and tired of having clowns with economics degrees interfere with everything. So I started watching/listening to Mark Blyth a couple of years ago and listening to his interviews. Without the ability to rewind and listen again I'd still have next to no idea how it all works.
Does the high number of conscripts in the Russian military and the high number of mixed Russian-Ukrainian families have an indication of why the 60 mile long convoy stops on the road to Kyiv?
5 minutes in, I'm just waiting to find out if each speaker declares solidarity with Ukraine - Ukraine is all that is good- and opposes/ protests the Russian invasion, reminds us of how evil Putin is and how great the West and NATO is, and any examination of the complexity of the issues over which this conflict began will be ignored to instead discuss how Russians only deserve a homeland if they oppose their president (autocrat), prostrate themselves in front of the world, pledge their allegiance to Ukraine and attempt a coup or assasinate Putin. Update, 10s later: Ok, there it is. She's trying to "hold back her tears". Ya right, this is definitely gonna be unbiased. Did y'all know that Ukraine is defending itself? ...with weapons, ammo, etc, money and foreign fighters. And begging for everyone's help. But they're defending their country "all by themselves". Did ya hear? Men die in war = women most affected. Why are Ukranian military treating black like criminals? Are they all like Azov? Send money to the corrupt Ukrainian govt and even more corrupt NGOs? Uh no. That govt has been financially supported for years and it's still the poorest country in Europe. Maybe they don't know what they're doing... or maybe govt officials pocket the money. I wouldn't send them a penny. Send govt reps to control the money so it gets to the needy and goes where it's intened. @01:00:00 Wow, someone who actually knows history and doesn't treat Ukraine like it's infallible. Appreciate that honesty. @~01:17:00 Did he really just say Zelenskyy's "alternative masculinity"? And everyone thought that Feminist bs would stay in the heads of blue-haided freaks at university. What a joke. @01:25:00 As if our govt doesn't silence independent journalists, pay/subsidize favorable media, lie to us about everything, arrest peaceful protesters, and seize assets and bank accounts of peaceful citizens, cuz the Canadian govt does all this too. I bet YOUR govt does the same thing. @01:32:00 You can't hand-wave away Ukraine's history of brutal anti-semirism, Naz¡ collaboration outright murder etc. Ukraine has govt paid and trained *self-described* neo-Naz¡ Azov Batallion (look up Vice or The Guardian for stories), and the actual far-right problems of the country, by saying that Israel has "handled this invasion poorly" (why? Cuz they didn't want to get involved or give a full-throated condemnation of Russia and Putin?) by saying that Zelenskyy is Jewish. One can't wash away Ukraine's very shady and disturbing WWII/Holocaust history just because they have elected a Jewish man now. Nor should anyone want to. Those who are actually committed to growlth will acknowledge their wrongs and make changes, not pretend that the number of Naz¡s in Ukraine is vanishing small - Azov is also incorporated into the military, they wear neo-Naz¡ symbology and rely on donated food, weaponry and ammo, utilize vehicles and receive training, not to mention, they are being paid by MY govt, amongst others.
@@cherylderue336 yeah absolutely. Why aren't we all afraid of German imperialism, instead of Russia. They started 2 world wars and basically run the EU. They should have never been allowed even near that kind of power.
Spotted the Russian bot. You should hide your subscribed channels if you want to pretend to be a neutral concerned about "examining the complexity of the issue". It does not matter what happened almost a century ago. What a genuine stupid take. Russia is at fault and there is no justification for the invasion. No Azov group, no Nato expansion, no rebuilding of the soviet empire.
Why can't this be the US and Canada? Or Spain and France? You know...content to live in the 21st century without invading each other and respectful of the nature of sovreignty.
@@seanorourke5137 But they aren't equal are they? Russia has supplied weapons all throughout the region. Canada isn't requesting Russian weapons because they are a NATO member state. And if, for whatever reason, Canada did request them then yes we would have a problem supporting that decision, mainly because we have no desire for buggy Russian hardware to be used in Intel collection during joint operations and exercises. I'll take it multiple steps further. We have FRIENDLY relations with BOTH nations. One of my better military friends is a female Canadian artillery officer. I've worked with Canucks in Afghanistan. I had a Canadian General as a boss. My school has hosted Mexican Naval Professionals for educational seminars. We have great trade relations. Mexico benefits in the relationship. We have a great law enforcement relationship. I mean dear God...it proves that there ARE alternatives with how nations deal with one another. You're reaching for equivalence and that's dangerous because you lack the history to remember that the Soviet Union had multi-billion dollar arms arrangements throughout the hemisphere. You also need to realize that Russians are killing innocent people NOW. None of whom have done anything to Russia with the exception of wanting to get away from Russia. And by Russias own hand, a declaration was signed guaranteeing the sovreignty of that nation.
@K Buckendorf Russia problem is with nato not Ukraine and no reason why Ukraine couldn't remain friendly with both the west and Russia which they had been prior to the coup organised by the usa. Do you remember the Cuban missile saga?
where is Mark Blyth, he would have found an excuse for this war: maybe Zelensky insulted the dignity of the average Russian citizen with his movies, or maybe Russians do not like gays in the army.
The Rus were Viking tribes that settled in Kiev as far back as 750 AD, 400 years before Moskva existed. The name Russia, coming from the city Moskva, has no connection to the RUS. Moskva were Finnish Urgic Tribes; Mosk means cow and Va water, which are Finnish names. There is no RUS there. The ethnic background of Moskva is Finnish-Urgic and Mongolian. The Rus developed the religion, city Kiev, alphabet, and had its saints. The founder was a Viking named Askold or Oskold (Norse) from Sweden; not Oleg as in the Russian story. Oskold, the first king was in Kiev before Oleg in Novgorod. Oskold was baptized in Constantinople and sent the first bishop back to Kiev. Oskold and Dir were the first Dynasty of Kievian Rus. Askold rules from the 40-60s and Dir to the 80s. Askold is buried in Kiev and the first Kievian Christian King & Dynasty. Oleg followed coming from Sweden through Novgorod. But Russia as named today started in the city of Moskva over 400 years later after Kievian Rus or Rus. From Kiev, the capitol of Rus, Kievian culture was spread, much like the Greeks Hellenized the known world, or like the British anglicized the world by the English language. This process does not make Moskva to become RUS in as much as Persian are not Greek. How we are misled by a name; Russia. The capitol of the RUS has always been Kiev. There is no other RUS and no RUS in Moskva. Many say Ukraine began recently; but the culture of the RUS is Kievian RUS, both culture and ethnic background. Ukraine is a name given by Poland meaning outer lands. The land of the RUS before the Mongolian invasion was very large. The name RUS is a Norse name which means men that row; there are no men that row in Moskva. So Moskva adopted the name Russia while being a Mongolian vassal, essentially traitor to the RUS; and all the Czars were Mongolian-Finnish. The Culture of the Mongolian was centralized power, and that cultural imprint was passed on to present day Russia. Ukraine’s real name should be Kievian RUS, or Kievskarus! Putin & Lavrov should be ashamed of themselves, the USSR was an occupation; it never had the status of a sovereign state and due process of law that would be associated with a free society. Even today the mentality of the gulag exists. As such, it did not deserve to exist; and history has shown such totalitarian organizations fail over time and author in many gulags. The true culture of Russia is Finno-Ugric and Mongolian, having nothing to do with the RUS (Kievian), expect borrowed as in the sense of Hellenized or Anglicized "forms" as a comparative reference. The centralized form of Russian politics is a very Mongolian imprint on culture. The actions of Putin seem to be another Mongolian invasion of Kiev; here I suggest as to the correct metaphor. I believe so. Putin & Lavrov insistence to have purview over eastern Europe also seems like paying tribute to the Mongolian Horde. Moskva started as an agglomeration of Finnish tribes, combining a Finnish name meaning cows water and developed by Mongolian culture. Mosk means cow and Va means water. The RUS are men that row, Vikings, Norse, established Kiev 400 years before (750 AD) Moskva even thought to exist. The name Russia for current nation is totally inappropriate. The current Russia started in Moskva; how misleading is the name Russia coming from Moskva that has no connection to the RUS. All the lands should be returned to Kiev; the West of Russia to Finland, and the East to Mongolia. Russia’s place on the globe appears as a temporary aberration in my view. To use threats of Nukes publicly strikes at the heart as adolescent behaviour; surely any nation or person that issues such threats and being an ally to such while not even having war imposed on them is not fit to rule. This would include allies of Russia. Oh yes, I remember, Russia didn't invent the bomb, they stole it in the 1940's and gave it to Kurchatov.
I wouldn't care if Ukraine & "Russia" were completely homogeneous linguistically & culturally - Russia has a worse government than Ukraine & Ukrainians would be better off with an independent government, beyond the reach of Putin. USA used Ukraine as a pawn to pressure Russia instead of allowing Russia to join NATO many times. Ukrainians are paying the highest price for this conflict while USA military establishment cries crocodile tears & watches their military dividends go up. Everyone in NATO should be as ashamed as those in the Russian Armed Forces.
Could you be any more butthurt over history? Да нет, наверно. Sovereignty and culture, practically speaking, are only as legitimate and influential as their social, economic and military worth, otherwise you're just a pawn in some fashion of the UN voting members with the benefit of ethnic borders drawn up in various treatises going back to antiquity. The only 'people' to successfully break this pattern are, unironically, Israelites, who now hold great influence over world affairs.
Its ironic that Putin wanted to prove his belief that the Ukraine was not a real sovereign country .Globally , because of Putin , we now know of The Ukranian peoples national pride and true patriotic values. The world regards their heroism and guts as the exact epitomy of what a real nation would have .
That is the most hilarious thing I've read all day. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and American oligarchs want you to die there.
@@MisterRiffley So how come it's Russians that are dying there now? And what exactly is the "end game" that Putin desires? Where's the groundswell for "reunification" with Russia from Ukrainians? If autonomy for Donbass is the solution, then why not the same for Crimea? Sharing the same land mass does not necessarily mean that peoples have the same national identification. If that were so, there wouldn't be anything called Pakistan nor would there be conflict between them and India.
Right off the back the second speaker kicked in her own lie; Russia seized Crimea. Really ! Were we born “yesterday”? Are you talking to a kindergarten school? I mean seriously… get some people who are intelligent next time,
Putin told you a 100 times what he was going to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!You don't get it.
Just look at any of the interviews with Charlie Rose, Oliver Stone or others over the past decade. You can’t say that Putin didn’t warn you.
They thought he was gonna do some little warning shot across the bow. They weren't expecting D-Day, Russian style. They don't know how to react.
I kinda think 9/11 went down similarly. They were amply warned but thought it was going to be a little thing like the USS Cole, but it was massive. Same deal here.
Many here would benefit from watching Oliver Stone's documentary "Ukraine of Fire".
It offers good historical context and important facts not usually covered.
UA-cam censored this documentary but it is available on Rumble.
Yemen,Libya,Syria and Somalia casualties real or imagined?
Don't forget the two airliners shot down over South Africa, the survivors were captured, cooked and eaten
Opening speaking is giving a child’s perspective. Enough personal experiences. Another pawn.
Give me a break, then why didn't you have a problem, when ethnic Russians were killed in East-Ukraine for eight years? Well, acting like Nazis carries a punishment. Greetings from Berlin Germany!
THOSE killed in Donbass were pretty proud to die knowing they ll be ''avenged''
and they will CONTINUE to die in the name of CORRUPTION and in the name of ...LETS LIVE LIKE CATTLES :)
@@kukulroukul4698 even the children?
Technocracy. Just political common sense would do . There are two problems and solutions were known : autonomy for the Dombass and neutrality for the Ukraine. It's simple, only techo bureaucrats, could make it complicated. And the feudalist Lords, that keep them and groom them.
yeah. The experts tell us they have all the solutions, but they instigate the problems. Madeline Albright is a perfect example of someone who was constantly trying too generate wars; constantly trying to kill millions of men, women, and children, while being regarded across the West as a great human rights advocate.
So ultimately it all comes down to the patriarchy? Come on.
I didn't get that far through the video. Now i need to watch it all the way through.
All of the people on this panel seem thoroughly clueless.
On the whole, the people making comments, here, are more knowledgeable and in touch with reality than this panel. If these people are the experts, we are in trouble. And indeed, we are.
The comments give me some hope that we're not completely powerless against this self righteous, ribbon wearing clique of hypocrites.
@@r4ybc Yeah. we can hope. I think i can empathize with the many who dislike the invasion because wars should be hated. But at the same time, the US support for Nazis in Ukraine cannot go unabated. How else would Russia be able to address the problem? Maybe there are ways, but I'm not sure that any of those means are less problematic than an invasion.
Too much propaganda to be considered an academic seminar.
He forgot the start which was Kievan Rus, the start of Russia was Kiev. Also the Azov nazis have education camps all over Ukraine to raise their warriors and are in control of police and national guard. So many American storytwllers here.
Yes, entirely one sided, appealing to emotions.
Ukraine is the plaything of two nuclear powers.
Yes. UA-cam is erasing a ton of videos that explain the dangerous NAZI assassins operating on behalf of the US in Ukraine.
@@eddiggs5280 Rumble or BitChute has all of it.
@@tanl7756 yeah. I’m afraid we won’t have any relevant Ukraine videos on UA-cam soon and I’ll have to go to rumble
@@eddiggs5280 You should go to rumble or whatever qanon site you can escape to.
Is this live? What date. Was this broadcast?
LoL 😂😆😂😂😂😂😂😂
Some people believe by repeating lias it will become truth.....
Yes, it is psychosis, literally.
"Srbislav"???? 😂
This is kindergarten geopolitics
There is no place in civilised society for what is being done in Ukraine . The behaviour of those participants is barbaric .
On Anna's assertion that Russia's only concern is that Ukraine seeks sovereignty:
Would Russia be as concerned about a sovereign Ukraine which chose to not join EU nor NATO?
If no, then is it really the sovereignty that's the problem?
Kazakhstan does not aspire to join the EU or NATO, but Russia sent troops there in January when people protested against the current regime. And if Kazakhs were able to overthrow the regime, then the Russian invasion would soon begin there too
@@tokuda888 Russia was defending Kazakhstan from a violent coup attempt by the United States. Russia failed to save Ukraine from a violent coup in 2014. America took control of the country, and that is what lead us to this point. I’m American. I always believe in MY country when wars break out. But this time it is time for me to see clearly the lies my government is telling me
I’m really sad how the US commercial media always portrays our enemies as evil and our allies as perfect and virtuous. Rarely is the anything ever that simple.
@@eddiggs5280 Anna is not objective, being a Ukrainian and too close to this. Watch Mearsheimer (2016) Why Ukraine is the West's fault, for an objective view. It has over 20M views.
@@jascforfun7576 thanks. Will do!
I watched most of this live and despite the fact most of them had valid points or at least contributed to the discussion there were too many voices in this.
If they had done this in 2 or 3 parts it would have been so much better.
The value of UA-cam video is to be repeatable. We can take out time when you he panel concludes.
@@TuberRose333 That's a really good point.
I'm an engineer who's sick and tired of having clowns with economics degrees interfere with everything. So I started watching/listening to Mark Blyth a couple of years ago and listening to his interviews.
Without the ability to rewind and listen again I'd still have next to no idea how it all works.
9 minutes in a panelist declares that Russia wants to make Ukraine into a fascist dictatorship...
Does the high number of conscripts in the Russian military and the high number of mixed Russian-Ukrainian families have an indication of why the 60 mile long convoy stops on the road to Kyiv?
5 minutes in, I'm just waiting to find out if each speaker declares solidarity with Ukraine - Ukraine is all that is good- and opposes/ protests the Russian invasion, reminds us of how evil Putin is and how great the West and NATO is, and any examination of the complexity of the issues over which this conflict began will be ignored to instead discuss how Russians only deserve a homeland if they oppose their president (autocrat), prostrate themselves in front of the world, pledge their allegiance to Ukraine and attempt a coup or assasinate Putin.
Update, 10s later:
Ok, there it is. She's trying to "hold back her tears". Ya right, this is definitely gonna be unbiased.
Did y'all know that Ukraine is defending itself? ...with weapons, ammo, etc, money and foreign fighters. And begging for everyone's help. But they're defending their country "all by themselves".
Did ya hear? Men die in war = women most affected.
Why are Ukranian military treating black like criminals? Are they all like Azov?
Send money to the corrupt Ukrainian govt and even more corrupt NGOs? Uh no. That govt has been financially supported for years and it's still the poorest country in Europe. Maybe they don't know what they're doing... or maybe govt officials pocket the money. I wouldn't send them a penny. Send govt reps to control the money so it gets to the needy and goes where it's intened.
@01:00:00
Wow, someone who actually knows history and doesn't treat Ukraine like it's infallible. Appreciate that honesty.
@~01:17:00
Did he really just say Zelenskyy's "alternative masculinity"? And everyone thought that Feminist bs would stay in the heads of blue-haided freaks at university. What a joke.
@01:25:00
As if our govt doesn't silence independent journalists, pay/subsidize favorable media, lie to us about everything, arrest peaceful protesters, and seize assets and bank accounts of peaceful citizens, cuz the Canadian govt does all this too. I bet YOUR govt does the same thing.
@01:32:00
You can't hand-wave away Ukraine's history of brutal anti-semirism, Naz¡ collaboration outright murder etc. Ukraine has govt paid and trained *self-described* neo-Naz¡ Azov Batallion (look up Vice or The Guardian for stories), and the actual far-right problems of the country, by saying that Israel has "handled this invasion poorly" (why? Cuz they didn't want to get involved or give a full-throated condemnation of Russia and Putin?) by saying that Zelenskyy is Jewish.
One can't wash away Ukraine's very shady and disturbing WWII/Holocaust history just because they have elected a Jewish man now. Nor should anyone want to. Those who are actually committed to growlth will acknowledge their wrongs and make changes, not pretend that the number of Naz¡s in Ukraine is vanishing small - Azov is also incorporated into the military, they wear neo-Naz¡ symbology and rely on donated food, weaponry and ammo, utilize vehicles and receive training, not to mention, they are being paid by MY govt, amongst others.
@@cherylderue336 yeah absolutely. Why aren't we all afraid of German imperialism, instead of Russia. They started 2 world wars and basically run the EU. They should have never been allowed even near that kind of power.
Spotted the Russian bot. You should hide your subscribed channels if you want to pretend to be a neutral concerned about "examining the complexity of the issue". It does not matter what happened almost a century ago. What a genuine stupid take.
Russia is at fault and there is no justification for the invasion. No Azov group, no Nato expansion, no rebuilding of the soviet empire.
I’m sure this was an epic discussion. Recorded too quietly to listen to.
This is about the conflict. What about the global implications?
Overseas Hostiles on your doorstep is a cause of action to create this manufactured chaos the cause was unwise
Look at these people and their masks…. So bizarre
Why can't this be like France invading Belgium. The south rather be French and the north rather be solo, have peace in two hours.
Why can't this be the US and Canada? Or Spain and France? You know...content to live in the 21st century without invading each other and respectful of the nature of sovreignty.
@@kbuckendorf4287 so with all things being equal
Can Russia or China supply arms and military training to Canada or Mexico and set up biolabs??
@@seanorourke5137 But they aren't equal are they? Russia has supplied weapons all throughout the region. Canada isn't requesting Russian weapons because they are a NATO member state. And if, for whatever reason, Canada did request them then yes we would have a problem supporting that decision, mainly because we have no desire for buggy Russian hardware to be used in Intel collection during joint operations and exercises.
I'll take it multiple steps further. We have FRIENDLY relations with BOTH nations. One of my better military friends is a female Canadian artillery officer. I've worked with Canucks in Afghanistan. I had a Canadian General as a boss. My school has hosted Mexican Naval Professionals for educational seminars. We have great trade relations. Mexico benefits in the relationship. We have a great law enforcement relationship.
I mean dear God...it proves that there ARE alternatives with how nations deal with one another.
You're reaching for equivalence and that's dangerous because you lack the history to remember that the Soviet Union had multi-billion dollar arms arrangements throughout the hemisphere.
You also need to realize that Russians are killing innocent people NOW. None of whom have done anything to Russia with the exception of wanting to get away from Russia. And by Russias own hand, a declaration was signed guaranteeing the sovreignty of that nation.
@K Buckendorf Russia problem is with nato not Ukraine and no reason why Ukraine couldn't remain friendly with both the west and Russia which they had been prior to the coup organised by the usa.
Do you remember the Cuban missile saga?
@K Buckendorf Cuba was a sovereign nation yeah with the right to make its own choices?
Usa as them still under sanctions to this day.
where is Mark Blyth, he would have found an excuse for this war: maybe Zelensky insulted the dignity of the average Russian citizen with his movies, or maybe Russians do not like gays in the army.
Thank you for this vital conversation among such knowledgeable and articulate panelists. Glory to Ukraine!
NATO asked Russia to do it to Ukrainian
The Rus were Viking tribes that settled in Kiev as far back as 750 AD, 400 years before Moskva existed. The name Russia, coming from the city Moskva, has no connection to the RUS. Moskva were Finnish Urgic Tribes; Mosk means cow and Va water, which are Finnish names. There is no RUS there. The ethnic background of Moskva is Finnish-Urgic and Mongolian. The Rus developed the religion, city Kiev, alphabet, and had its saints. The founder was a Viking named Askold or Oskold (Norse) from Sweden; not Oleg as in the Russian story. Oskold, the first king was in Kiev before Oleg in Novgorod. Oskold was baptized in Constantinople and sent the first bishop back to Kiev. Oskold and Dir were the first Dynasty of Kievian Rus. Askold rules from the 40-60s and Dir to the 80s. Askold is buried in Kiev and the first Kievian Christian King & Dynasty. Oleg followed coming from Sweden through Novgorod. But Russia as named today started in the city of Moskva over 400 years later after Kievian Rus or Rus. From Kiev, the capitol of Rus, Kievian culture was spread, much like the Greeks Hellenized the known world, or like the British anglicized the world by the English language. This process does not make Moskva to become RUS in as much as Persian are not Greek. How we are misled by a name; Russia. The capitol of the RUS has always been Kiev. There is no other RUS and no RUS in Moskva. Many say Ukraine began recently; but the culture of the RUS is Kievian RUS, both culture and ethnic background. Ukraine is a name given by Poland meaning outer lands. The land of the RUS before the Mongolian invasion was very large. The name RUS is a Norse name which means men that row; there are no men that row in Moskva. So Moskva adopted the name Russia while being a Mongolian vassal, essentially traitor to the RUS; and all the Czars were Mongolian-Finnish. The Culture of the Mongolian was centralized power, and that cultural imprint was passed on to present day Russia. Ukraine’s real name should be Kievian RUS, or Kievskarus!
Putin & Lavrov should be ashamed of themselves, the USSR was an occupation; it never had the status of a sovereign state and due process of law that would be associated with a free society. Even today the mentality of the gulag exists. As such, it did not deserve to exist; and history has shown such totalitarian organizations fail over time and author in many gulags. The true culture of Russia is Finno-Ugric and Mongolian, having nothing to do with the RUS (Kievian), expect borrowed as in the sense of Hellenized or Anglicized "forms" as a comparative reference. The centralized form of Russian politics is a very Mongolian imprint on culture. The actions of Putin seem to be another Mongolian invasion of Kiev; here I suggest as to the correct metaphor. I believe so. Putin & Lavrov insistence to have purview over eastern Europe also seems like paying tribute to the Mongolian Horde. Moskva started as an agglomeration of Finnish tribes, combining a Finnish name meaning cows water and developed by Mongolian culture. Mosk means cow and Va means water. The RUS are men that row, Vikings, Norse, established Kiev 400 years before (750 AD) Moskva even thought to exist. The name Russia for current nation is totally inappropriate. The current Russia started in Moskva; how misleading is the name Russia coming from Moskva that has no connection to the RUS. All the lands should be returned to Kiev; the West of Russia to Finland, and the East to Mongolia. Russia’s place on the globe appears as a temporary aberration in my view. To use threats of Nukes publicly strikes at the heart as adolescent behaviour; surely any nation or person that issues such threats and being an ally to such while not even having war imposed on them is not fit to rule. This would include allies of Russia. Oh yes, I remember, Russia didn't invent the bomb, they stole it in the 1940's and gave it to Kurchatov.
"We share the same biology , regardless of ideology".
I wouldn't care if Ukraine & "Russia" were completely homogeneous linguistically & culturally - Russia has a worse government than Ukraine & Ukrainians would be better off with an independent government, beyond the reach of Putin.
USA used Ukraine as a pawn to pressure Russia instead of allowing Russia to join NATO many times. Ukrainians are paying the highest price for this conflict while USA military establishment cries crocodile tears & watches their military dividends go up. Everyone in NATO should be as ashamed as those in the Russian Armed Forces.
Could you be any more butthurt over history? Да нет, наверно.
Sovereignty and culture, practically speaking, are only as legitimate and influential as their social, economic and military worth, otherwise you're just a pawn in some fashion of the UN voting members with the benefit of ethnic borders drawn up in various treatises going back to antiquity.
The only 'people' to successfully break this pattern are, unironically, Israelites, who now hold great influence over world affairs.
Its ironic that Putin wanted to prove his belief that the Ukraine was not a real sovereign country .Globally , because of Putin , we now know of The Ukranian peoples national pride and true patriotic values. The world regards their heroism and guts as the exact epitomy of what a real nation would have .
That is the most hilarious thing I've read all day. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, and American oligarchs want you to die there.
@@MisterRiffley So how come it's Russians that are dying there now? And what exactly is the "end game" that Putin desires?
Where's the groundswell for "reunification" with Russia from Ukrainians?
If autonomy for Donbass is the solution, then why not the same for Crimea?
Sharing the same land mass does not necessarily mean that peoples have the same national identification. If that were so, there wouldn't be anything called Pakistan nor would there be conflict between them and India.
Imagine this conversation taking place in the United States of 1860. How different would the sides line up?
and then, for no reason at all...the literal delusion lol.
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Russias weakness hahahahahahaha!
Omer Bartov is the most interesting speaker so far.
Terrible analysis
Lol nazis vomiting about been democratic. 😂😂😂❤️🇷🇺
10millions chinese are begging to migrate into Ukraine
Right off the back the second speaker kicked in her own lie; Russia seized Crimea. Really ! Were we born “yesterday”? Are you talking to a kindergarten school? I mean seriously… get some people who are intelligent next time,
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