Is Ragnar Worth Getting In 2024?
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An annoying thing about playing the ragnar nowadays is getting spotted, popping radar and its a sub which then submerges in 2 seconds and you've wasted a radar. Then when it runs out the sub comes back up to the surface and keeps you spotted. That's why I prefer running range instead of concealment and not make that "spotted radaring" combo such a crucial part of playing this ship. It really happens a lot more than you'd think
I would call that an effective counter to an otherwise overpowered ability of the Ragnar. There are lots of DDs out there that have no real answer to its radar and effective gunnery.
Thats such a bullshit mechanic if there ever was one. Radar is an extremely valuable consumable, and it was introduced because good DD players were otherwise impossible to deal with unless you could flush them out with a DD of your own. But here are subs, they get to click a button, which is NOT a cooldown, and just nullify the arguably strongest consumable in the game. This is one of the main reasons why I think subs are absolute aids, because they dont play by the same rulebook that other ships do.
@@Sulfuron41 There is a counter to it, and its not going headlong into a cap or contested area without support like a moron. The only time you really need to be worried as a (good) DD player is in the late game when you are a real 1v1 situation, where you need to push for a cap and neither of you have any support. But that is a rare situation, and its fine if the Ragnar excels in that situation.
I hate facing Ragnars. Always need help dealing with them.(DD main - Halland, Vampire, Z52)
Which is better overall, Ragnar or Gdansk? Best Detection: 7.3km vs 7.5km, 7 x 139mm guns (HE only) vs 4 x 152mm guns, Reload (with reload mod) 3.3 seconds vs 3.0 seconds, 12.0km gun range vs 13.0km, 24,400 HP vs 26,500HP, 41.2 knots vs 35.0 knots, 810m turn radius vs 770m, 5.3 sec rudder shift vs 5.6sec, no heals but smoke vs heals but no smoke, AA rating 60 vs 93, 9km 10 second radar vs 7.5km 30 second radar, 2 racks of 10km torps vs no torps, standard 8% speed boost vs 30% short duration speed boost. Would you recommend a player to get Ragnar when Gdansk is available in the tech tree? With the available smoke and torps, I have an easier time playing Gdansk contesting caps and flanks.
Being a torp DD main, Ragnar is my pick for my first steel ship, the year I get enough steel. But I have heard that, especially for torp DD players it is boring to play.
Do a guide on whether the Erie is worth getting in 2024
LMFAOOOO I will forever be known as the unhappy Vampire II
You’re in a very strong DD, but CV nullifies any DD gameplay… story of WoW
I feel with you... I got myself a Vampire recently and also had a game like this. The CV only wanted my ass and I had a [RAIN] Des Moines squatting next to the cap. Not allowed to play the game :(
Rangar is inherently underpowered. It lacks the necessary attributes to make meaningful impact on match result. No burst damage to speak of, split turrets, and yet still retains a fragile platform.
I would take 1 Conqueror..Thunderer or 1 DM or even 1 of just about any CA over 2 Ragnars on my team any day of the week.
Now... If WG gave it the specialized repair party of the Nestrashimy ( and 1 more base charge).... And maybe a few more thousand HP if could make up for where it is seriously lacking with longevity.
you're being sarcastic right?
Someone who didn’t watch the video…….
@ConcealedWeapon it's copy pasta
@@ConcealedWeapon @deaninchina01
Both of you guys are unaware of the controversy of ASSkance hating on this ship when it was being first used, and maaaan is he way off. This thing is broken as fuck in the hands of a good DD player.
Give this thing to Flambass or John or BFK and watch the enemy team rage and lose.
It's against the law to review the Ragnar and NOT post this famous copy & paste.
Relax.
I was waiting for someone to write this...😂😂😂
Hey PQ, could you do another video on the Gibraltar? It would be interesting if you could create a guide for this rare ship in 2024!
He'll probably do one when he gets around to reviewing the RB cruisers
he said he was going to get to all the special ships in the near future. i think this is the end of steel so my guess is he will do RB ships next since they are more unknown to us than the popular coal ships.
I think the Ragnar is super powerful, but I think has a high skill floor. A good DD main, aware of strengths/weaknesses, playing strategically, has a major impact on the game. However, that's not most DD players. Slow speed and lack of torps can be severely limiting for average players - i.e.: me. Don't get me wrong, I like the ship, but still trying to get a feel. I've had almost no 'bad' games, mostly good games, but also not getting amazing games - the way I often do in Gdansk or Kleber.
It needs a lot of concentration. When I am a bit distracted, I can't play it.
@dv8322 I rarely play Elb. I'd argue it has way better guns, but it might be the skill level thing. Stats show kills n dmg to be comparable, but Ragnar has a win rate 5 points higher. 🤔
@dv8322 Ragnar radar is the other way around; you get detected, you press radar, the other one dies. You are a superb cap contester and DD hunter. I put RPF on Ragnar for that reason; I just kill them all.
@dv8322 You are talking about being pray. I am talking about being the hunter. Map awareness is what wins or looses battles. If you do not know, where cruisers are, you die as an DD.
In Ragnar you go, where a DD without backup can be. Once you get detected, you press radar. You kill. You retreat. You focus on not eating torps.
''I'm sorry my king''
HAHA that was me! Lowkey a PQ glazer
This ship can just suck when your team is hiding, not shooting and in concealment, or so far back that when you shoot to play the game because you have no torps, there is like 6 ships shooting at you every time you fire, you fire and get killed or sail around not shooting, all because of what your team is doing.
Lol typically the case for most everyone attempting to play mid range or closer in those matches ><
Definitely not a fan of the current "meta"
@@Sulfuron41 the best one for me as i play dds the most, is when you go to fight the enemy dd, his team just smashes you, but your team does not even fire once at the dds, and you see shots fly over you as they shoot something 20km away. 2023/24 has been a lot of people just not caring that what you do affects the other people playing with them. the guy who got support from his team defo had more fun the me.
Sometimes you just have to hang around them and spam away
@@TheL0vecake IF I have a shot at a DD I take it, I don't care what type of ship I am sailing at the time, these ships are a menace.
@TheL0vecake Probably the most relatable thing I've read so far. One time I was engaging another Hatsuharu in mine and the rest of the enemy team close enough shot at me while my team did jack shit. They didn't shoot at the DD or enemy cruisers, they literally sat there and do nothing. Asia server really has the worst players.
11:20 in turns like a brick. Torps is what I usually die to.
Its turning radius is worse than Venezia and Marseille. Worse than cruisers sound really bad for a destroyer and considering one of the two have higher speed to begin with
Rangar is inherently underpowered. It lacks the necessary attributes to make meaningful impact on match result. No burst damage to speak of, split turrets, and yet still retains a fragile platform.
I would take 1 Conqueror..Thunderer or 1 DM or even 1 of just about any CA over 2 Ragnars on my team any day of the week.
Now... If WG gave it the specialized repair party of the Nestrashimy ( and 1 more base charge).... And maybe a few more thousand HP if could make up for where it is seriously lacking with longevity.
I heartily do disagree - Ragnar is one of those ships like Druid or Sherman where it's weak in the hands of an average player, but the most dangerous ship in the match in the hands of a good player.
My battle impact in it is much higher than most T10 ships.
@@CamoDrako Bro.... "Ragnar is inherently underpowered" is a meme of ages past. Dude isn't serious, it's a copy-pasta.
@@CamoDrako LMAO, you've been trolled, clearly not a twitch user
@@CamoDrako just for context, this is a copypasta made by some dude on reddit who wanted stuff like moskva and Ragnar to have superheals and for khaba to have 17 km range. He made a 15 page document about this stuff that makes for a good laugh
Definitely needs a buff lmao.
On a more serious note: how the actual fuck has it not been nerfed yet
Dealing with a Ragnar: be a Khaba. And avoid light cruisers like they're lava.
Harugumo can tear up Ragnar, too. Also Daring/Druid AP is quite effective.
@@EvoraGT430 what about Sherman? I would love to try my SAP on him if I find one.
@@sLim88CPC I can't see why not. Sherman can probably match Ragnar shot for shot but I think it's awful accuracy might cost it from time to time. On the plus you dont have to worry about any torps coming your way
Daring AP can do the job, especially if you’ve built for DPM. Still difficult though.
@@anotherrandominternetdog yeah, you have to be really careful and push at the right time - when his radar is down and you can bait him into shooting then smoke. Issue is it's so dangerous at long range due to the shell arcs, so once you commit it's him or you.
can a sherman keep up with the ragnar gunpower?
this is one of those ships always on my short list, but with steel being so slow to gather it takes a lot of time to get them. and with the new event pass (nerfed battle pass) the steel is cut in less than half of what we used to get making it that much harder to collect. the dockyard coming up also may not even have steel since you only need to buy 2 stages for 3200 dubs, you know the rewards got nerfed somewhere in there. even more so because the 20th stage is the W.V.44, so a tier 7 and 10 BB for 3200 dubs means the rest of the rewards will be crap.
I got the Ragnar - but can't get it to work. I just die too fast. I am probably not good enough for gun dd without smoke.
Getting too aggressive early on. Without islands I wouldn't get too close to caps early on.
why not use the DCP on the dd?, the dcp of a dd charge pretty fast, its just waste of hp dont use it
Until you get perma engine crit or god forbid permafires that do not let you go dark. Holding on to the DCP is the right play when you are disengaging while focused or are in a DD knife fight. Furhtermore, Ragnar has a heal so you'll get your fire damage fully repaired anyways. Although, I agree that sometimes PQ wastes way too many of his own HP by doing that.
@@zeroliquid5652 yep, but you were alone vs 1 or 2 dds, and he had support, besides the dcp of the dds recharges fast and with the captain's skill, your engine never breaks, so even if you have heal, it's a waste of hp.
not using the dcp for fear of having permafire, is equal to having permafire, because you always leave 1 fire burning so you do not solve anything, I see many more cases of permafires with 1 fire than 2, because they do not use the dcp for that second permafire that rarely comes.
the whole game is a menace for someone with brain.
Been after this boat for ages. How does she compare to a Gdansk build
Also something else to note as a Ragnar player with 150+ games - subs are a bloody nightmare to deal with (especially with their buffed manoeuvrability). Without engine boost your turning circle is cringe inducing and your rudder shift is god awful. I got blown out of the water so many times by ships I'm meant to "counter". If you see a sub on your flank follow PQs advice and run away. PS - Radar is no good against them either. Truly a protected class 🥲
I call that an effective counter to an otherwise pretty overpowering ship
Inshallah @@Sulfuron41
Such fake reactions, laugh and demeanor!
Before the rework it was easy to farm carriers down in any dd - they were balanced by being horrendously powerful but if you could get to them they died... now not so much...
Shatter after shatter. Plus it seems you get a fire on them quick af but hard as hell to get another one after first is auto dcped
"I'm sorry my king" HAHAHA that last comment!
LMFAOOO that’s me!! I was honestly so happy I finally got to meet PQ
Its good, but it is just so incredibly dull of a ship for dd players who like to be a bit stealthy & do surprise ambushes.
Ragnar was my 2nd steel ship, after Bourgogne. No doubt it's great.
But we got for coal the Trump. No radar, but better concealment, one more turret, torps and airstrikes.
So: is Ragnar better then Tromp? Worth the steel or better Tromp for coal?
Whaaaat? They may seem comparable in some respects, but radar, HP and repairs make Ragnar very superior IMO. I play Ragnar for winning games/hunting DD's and Tromp when I'm bored, just for the fun of airstrikes. It's torps are not very useful (few and terrible angles), it has no smoke, like Ragnar, but it doesn't have repair or the HP. To me, Tromp is fun for the concealement and airstrikes, only for that.
Ragnar vs gdansk. I'm not sure why, but watching this video, this question popped up in my head.
If you think about this, both ships have some similarities, but both of them have different vulnerabilities.
Ragnar is not fast by default, but with the speed boost you have a pretty nice ship, while gdansk has a very good speed by default.
Both ships have good guns against dds, and have great balistics.
Ragnar has a heal while gdansk gets a smoke.
Both have radar, but they are different, where gdansk has more range but this duration, while ragnar has a shorter range but much better duration.
And more stuff if you analize them side to side.
Considering the fact that ragnar is a steel ship, and steel is not soo easy to farm, and gdansk is a tech tree ship, do you think that one ship is better then the other? If yes, its like always, or situationaly? Or they are close enought to where you can consider them equal?
Gdansk having torps may make it better overall but it may depend on battle type, matchmaker, and whatnot
@@clmwrx yeah, and that's a point. Considering the similarities, strengths and weaknesses, and stuff you cannot control, like the mm, is there a winner in this confrontation, or they are kinda similar enough to be considerable equal?
I know that sounds like a weird question but what of the other protected class by Wargaming, submarine. Doesn't Ragnar (and most pan-Europe DD) have that weird ASW that throws in front of your ship (I think I saw Vampire II using the same, also Druid), how does it affect the gampelay of it beside running away from it and praying you don't get hit too bad I presume ?
vampire's ASW is a rear mortar, which is ass because it only shoots 3 charges and you have to be directly over the sub (like, literally directly on top of him, not even .5 km in the general vicinity) to even think about hitting it. The front mortars on ships like halland and smaland are more useful because they shoot forwards, so you can actively chase the sub somewhat.
@@atpyro7920 and tell me if I'm wrong (sorry, I can't play the game much more, having a shitty work life balance doesn't help, even more when you're a potato like me) a sub can ram you at that distance ?
But still, the problem for fighting subs as a DD is still here, but thanks for the answer
2000 per charge with 4 of them on 35kts platform ? Not that useful
I mean real life ASW of Halland etc are like that, front facing ASW. Cmiiw, i read it actually cannbe rotated but in game well its cant
@@eiresby2344 if you want even funnier stuff, those new DD teased in the dev blog have ASW homing torps on half their launchers, which I'm sure we won't see, since homing torps are way too powerful to be in game /s
Ragnar is op ship, if u dont have a CV to help to kill him, good luck
Hardly ever feels that way when I play it lol. Only feels that way when you have speed boost up. Otherwise the thing is a giant slow target that anyone can blap
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Thanks PQ. I needed this vid. Im going to start DDs soon and was on the fence about this or the Z. -StarJewel
Ragnar is inherently underpowered. It lacks the necessary attributes to make meaningful impact on match result. No burst damage to speak of, split turrets, and yet still retains a fragile platform.
I would take 1 Conqueror..Thunderer or 1 DM or even 1 of just about any CA over 2 Ragnars on my team any day of the week.
Now... If WG gave it the specialized repair party of the Neustrashimy ( and 1 more base charge).... And maybe a few more thousand HP if could make up for where it is seriously lacking with longevity.
Personally, I'm glad CV's wreck this thing. Good. Fuck H.E. spammers. I'll deal with a cv any day of the week vs someone hiding behind and island just spamming you.
damn I like potato but its kinda funny how these unicoms cant even aim while a ship is in smoke using the minimap lol. Seems like anyone with 1k hours can do better than this dog
as gunboat DD.
I will say avoid fighting Ragnar and Lushun. these 2 will kill you if they know what they doing.
Halland and elbing wont help much fighting them
Really random, I was given a gift card for about 50$ and wanted to get a Tier VIII premium Battleship. I'm stuck between the Vanguard and the Alabama, thoughts?
I was disappointed in Ragnar. I do however like playing against Ragnars in a Shimi, Yueyang, etc. Know their radar range. Keep them spotted. They melt to Zaos, Hindys, Venezias, etc.
Definitely going to consider this one.
Rangar is shit now that SUBs and CVs are so extremely oppressive. Especially the "support" CVs with fighter drops that spot and can not be killed in under a min with the shitty AA that everyone has now.
You talking about CVs, remind me of someone talking about their crazy cheating ex…. Don’t say anything bad…just let it go…
Rangar is inherently underpowered. It lacks the necessary attributes to make meaningful impact on match result. No burst damage to speak of, split turrets, and yet still retains a fragile platform.
I would take 1 Conqueror..Thunderer or 1 DM or even 1 of just about any CA over 2 Ragnars on my team any day of the week.
Now... If WG gave it the specialized repair party of the Nestrashimy ( and 1 more base charge).... And maybe a few more thousand HP if could make up for where it is seriously lacking with longevity.
I grabbed this about a month ago, but haven’t really taken her out much, yet. Thanks for the video, PQ!!
The only DD that can effectively kill a Ragnar is F. Sherman. Any other DD just suffers. British DDs can hurt you with AP but thats it
Its a trash ship. Everything it does can be countered at its tier.
Ayy the DD player who torped the enemy Ragnar was BelowAveragePotato!
Day 25 of asking PQ to make a guide on Worcester/Seattle
My guy, you're probably annoying him by repeatedly asking him to do a whole vid on a well-covered subject.
Please search on your own. Respect his time and wants in making a video for the community.
@@gangutbayern246 If nothing else annoying everyone else in the comments.
He's contributing to the youtube algorithm
Doesn't really matter. My comment won in the ship request and he never made a video.
Fuck these guys, you do what you want, if PQ wants it gone, he can delete it. They're just annoyed at a fucking sentence, lol.
Just destroyed a smolensk with ragnar ap 😂. 8 Cits at 12km
Hey, how does it compare against Gdansk @Potato?
gdansk guns are 139mm so that they only pen 23mm which is shuttered by ragnar's 25mm main belt. So, if gdansk doesn't do drive by and torp rangar with its hyperspeed torps which is highly unlikely to happen, ragnar wins everytime.
Gdansk is fun and strong as well, but a little bit different to play, due to the smoke/radar combo, longer range/faster cool down radar, torpedoes and only having HE. You can play the DD hunter role probably better with Gdansk.
I had way more fun with this ship when it first came out. Maybe people know how to deal with it now but I don’t do nearly as much damage with it as I used to.
they nerfed the reload a bit. It's still a match-winning ship because you can kill other DDs but as a max range HE spammer, it's not as strong as it used to be
But Ragnar is inherently underpowered :(
Ragnar and Elbing are the best light cruisers in the game
Elbing can full pen it ;)
AP can full pen Ragnar cause of the armour scheme
I had the steel as a DD main and dropped it on Ragnar based in this video. Thank you. 3 wins out of the first 4 games.
Throw it in reverse terry!
Hello. can we get a Bajie review for 2024? since there's plenty of players who got her along with the Wukong and Wujing from the chinese new year event
Don't know why I don't see more Ragnar's in randoms. I love Gdansk, I think I will enjoy Ragnar too. After seeing this she is at the top of my steel ship list.
who win ragnar or sherman? 😄
Hi PQ. PLEASE PLEASE, explain the mods you use. I cannot figure them out and seem so useful. Thanks!
man i have a very bitter sweet opinion of you, on one hand i thoroughly enjoy your videos and they have inspired me to come back to the game after a 2 year leave, on the other hand... you have inspired to me come back to the game after a 2 year leave. but all jokes aside, in the past 6 months of me playing the game after so long i have achieved more then my previous like 3 years of playing. and i was wondering if you had plans to continue this series into the coal ships, i would expect you to limit it to only tier 9s and 10s and i do know that is still alot of ships but i think many would benefit from it
smalland>ragna>halland>gdansk in my opnion
Thank you for making this video and continuing to ignore the Worcester guy. Keep up the good work pq
Poor khaba and delney
Giuseppe Verdi in 2024 ?
Let's do a research bureau ships videos similar to what you did for steel ships.
I'd love to see this against a Smalland...
It ruins a Smaland.
I just watched the original Ragnar video last night lol
Is there a similar plan to review the coal ships after the steel ship reviews are finished?
Oh there once was a hero named
Worrell? Ernest P. Worrell?
To be honest, if you don't play it in CBs or Ranked (idk why anyone would do that anyway but whatever ig):
Using 1x conceal (module-only) and take AFT instead of conceal on the captain is preferable for randoms.
Your arcs are extremely good and you get the funny pinpoint accuracy, therefore you can reliably hit all shells even at max range, aswell as having a easier time to dodge fast shells (from e.g. Venezia, Petro, Moskva, Stalin etc.)
You are also less dependant on your engine boost as you can comfortably acceleration-bait shells & dodge them, even when the engine boost is on cooldown, making you even harder to kill.
And dont forget that you still get 8.3 conceal with 7.5km radar; If you have a decent'ish understanding of how to read the minimap and estimate enemy dd's positions you can easily catch them by running at them with engine boost: They ususally dont have time to get away unless they're prekited; You do however need good consumable timing for it to work consistently.
(E.g. if you are intentionally driving towards a dd [with engine boost active] & get detected; Wait around 5-7s before you pop radar)
If you want to go for WR you should play full conceal and AFT. Just get Swirski with improved AR for the extra DPM and you don't need fearless brawler.
@@ichx8I dont see the reason in taking conceal, you can easily get ~70%+ Solo Wr without it as most of your impact comes from being able to hold (kite) your teams weak flank or initiate a push on the strong flank. As you usually want to be on the weak flank and kite it out you dont need the concealment and just take the additional range to pressure the enemy to do something stupid.
You are essentially a bait for the enemy to shoot at and the further you are away from them, the harder it becomes for them to hit and kill you.
Trying to play as a dd hunter is usually the worst choice, since you can always deal with a dd anyway. If the enemy dd is bad/misspositioned/has no impact: ignore him. If hes a good player or has strong impact; Ambush/deal with him. If you know how to position properly, you won't need the conceal.
Its kinda like taking DFAA over hydro; Yes in 1/20 games it helps but in 19/20 games hydro would have been the better option;
You may have 2-3/10 games where you need to deal with a good dd player and concealment is better but then you have 7-8 games where you win by kiting/farming out the enemy.
@@Con9359 I like the best of both worlds. Ragnar is best played in a dual role and I like to be able to deal with good dds and farm. The 800m buffer between your conceal and radar just allows a good player to fuck with you and if he's prekited in even just a Shima the enemy team can shoot you for free. I know you can get 70+ with both conceal and dpm build but for the average player you better just take conceal.
I mean I play full conceal and I have a 60 % WR so maybe I'm not doing it right.
This is a skill ship. Not for potatoes.
I have a Smaland that I got as a Christmas gift. Im not great at it yet as it is a different play style to what Im used to. What differences and similarities are there between the Ragnar and Smaland?
Being good at hunting and killing destroyers with radar while able to get out of trouble with superior engine boost. That's where the similarities end
Smaland is more agile and better conceal ( because it's halland hull ) Very high rate of fire means it melt everything if it can penetrate said target ( Very important "IF" as now there are Gearing with 21mm midsection, Elbing with 25mm midsection and Delny with 50mm midsection that smaland can't penetrate with HE ) Using the same shell as Halland so high speed/maneuver target should not be your priority ( as WG keep pumping more of them to compensate player's incompetent. Your range of target is quite limited ) and of course torpedo
Ragnar has 25mm midsection so a trade with other destroyers could be less severe than smaland without one. But that are compensate by bad maneuverability leaving it vulnerable to anything with bigger gun. Ragnar also possessing one of the best gun ballistic and dispersion for destroyer you could fight any fast ship as your heart desire
@@volknetai.3690 This is amazing. Thank you. I'm probably going to read this a few dozen times :)
Row faster loki
Smaland video after?
Småland or Ragnar? Obviously Småland isn't around anymore but which one's better?
Smaland is the most busted DD in the game, hence why it's consistently banned from competitive. Ragnar is a good Randoms/Ranked farmer and very strong, but she's less strong in CBs where team play is stronger and concealment and torps for area denial become more meaningful.
Smaland
I actually think Gdansk is better than ragnar
@@tahiribnmohammad5410 Gdansk is generally better than Ragnar for competitive stuff, but Ragnar is also basically a hard counter to Gdansk.
@@tahiribnmohammad5410 it has better DPM however its not difficult to deal with and it dies faster. However its better at annoying enemy dds.
unless i am in a sherman or elbing i don't gunfight Ragnar
Harugumo has the DPM and pen to give it a good fight.
Elbing LOVES Ragnars. She'll velocity and AP shreds Ragnar.
If I already have smalland is it worth Ragnar?
It is definitely a different play style, I wouldn't even say it is similar. Ragnar is almost more like a citadel-less cruiser than a DD. In addition, the lack of torps means your HP is your only damage. Can't play the late game low HP torpboat.
I have it, I like it. I have Z42 and I like it more.
How do i get Cerberus?
When it gets released in early access in one of the next updates. It is only available to CC's, ST's, CST's and Volunteers right now.
As a player that played all the roles, i have to say this !! It's fair to said that CV and Subs are hated, and to be honest they're deserve to be hated !! Their play style is too unique, too standout ! And yes, i understand your frustration against CV, all of you, not just PQ !
BUT, to say they didn't effect the game, shouldn't be in the game or should nerf them to the level of uselessness is selfish as f*ck !! Don't you ever asking your self that does CV and Subs require more skills to play ? They are build to deal damage, so what's the point of complain about what they're made to do ?? They cannot carry the game, not easy to play (as your though) and rely heavily on teammates !! So WHAT'S THE POINT of trying to weakening them further ??
Imagine you getting spotted freely by a DD, get farmed freely due to that spotting, get torped hard and there's nothing you can do and yours DD is sucks or just simply busy elsewhere. Who's gonna be your savior at that situation ??
CV and Subs does not break the game, it's YOU GUYS didn't wanted to adapt ! So stop complain and just do better ! You yourself loves to play OP ships which didn't give anybody any chances, so why cry out when you got in the same situation as the guy that you have just tortured last match ! And it's not even the same situation because CV and Subs require certain acquisition to actually torturing you, and one if that it's your own mistake of getting too greedy, going too far or didn't think quite well before do something but rather just charge in without any plans ! It's SO selfish !!!
with a ragnar, if it's a sub depending on how far away it is you have options. if it's really far away turn away from it and zig zag to dodge torps. if a mackensen ccan dodge torps a ragnar definitely can. if it's close turn towards it and dodge torps and keep rushing at it till you're on top of the sub and then drop depth charges. subs are easy to deal with. if they're far, you run and dodge torps. if they're close just rush them and they drop like flies. the problem is that with subs everyone automatically just runs away from them all the time. that's the wrong strategy to use most of the time. if a sub is firing torps at you from far away it's easy to dodge. if they're firing them from close range then the sub is deadmeat. the only exception is a 4501. if they snuck up close to you and are facing away from you, then go to periscope to ping and launch torps then you can only dodge the torps. you wont be able to chase down a 4501 as they dive back down and now then can run away from you in a straight line going 40 knots. if you chase them they'll just ping out their butt and launch butt torps at you and pull you too deep and get you killed. for 4501 you just dodge the torps then run. if it chases you then you can get it out of position. if you see the 4501 chasing you THEN you turn on it (after you kite him a bit deep into your side). because a 4501 slows to a crawl if it has to turn more than 10 degrees, or if it goes to periscope or surfaces. honestly i've been hunting subs on all my dd's and i kill them every time. hell i've taken out 2 cruisers and a sub on my mackensen once just by charging at them. i mean i died cause the 2 cruisers set too many fires, but still. it isn't that hard to deal with subs.
edit: i've been grinding out the venezia line and holy crap, the italian cruisers are absolute sub ASSASSINS. being able to use sub surv right away catches subs with their pants down SO OFTEN. a venezia can bum rush a sub right away as it's 8 km sub surv matches a sub's hydrophone. so if the sub is submerged it won't even know it's run into you before it's in your range to spot and then you can drop your depth charges. depending on the sub it's either dead or hurt real bad and it'll have to retreat. but a venezia can chase any sub at that point. except the 4501 if it's already facing away from you for some reason. if the sub surfaces you can shoot it and it's dead. if it stays submerged you'll quickly catch up or at the very least keep it in range of the sub surv and it'll be dead shortly after. early on it's not as killer as the subs hydrophone will out-range your sub surv. so smart sub players will be able to get you on hydrophone and can back away before you get into range. but once you get to the t8 cruiser you should be killing subs consistently very fast.
yeah... that won't work.
Ragnar does not get the usual ASW but a foward launching one with literally 0 damage and stupidly long reload while not dropping a large amount. Your ASW is useless and a sub has to have eaten a ton of glue to die to one. Also you are essentially a cruiser in terms of manouverbility; If you dont have engine boost up your basically a slow brick in the water. If you get pinged, you'll basically always have to DCP the second the torps are somewhat close to you. Trying to hunt subs in ragnar is probably the dumbest thing you can do, unless there its like the only ship left..
@@Con9359 forward launch would be better. that means you wouldn't have to get on top of the sub to start dropping depth charges. as for zero dmg. no it isn't. as for the sub eating them, that's on you to place them properly. a sub isn't gonna be able to outrun you if they're deeper than periscope range,, except for the 4501. your max speed is still in the 30's where most subs are 25, or less. if they were facing you to launch their first set of torps it doesn't take much to catch up to them. your way of thinking is exactly how subs get away with doing what they do and why you keep thinking subs are op. do you have any idea how easy it is to dodge their torpedos when you're running right at them? seriously i can dodge them half asleep in a mackensen and you're telling me it can't be done in a ragnar? get out of here.
edit: the ONLY time you should EVER dcp a ping is when they caught you broad side. if you are facing away or AT them learn to turn your rudder one direction and then time turning it the other way. you can 100% dodge absolutely any subs torps like this if you're facing the sub or facing a little away. the only exception is when they're at a decent range and they double pinged you. then they can launch their torps off to the side and bend them into your broad side. but here's the thing, if they do that and you're facing them all you have to do is instead of doing turn juking you just slow down. if you're head on to them their double ping is gonna be on your bow. their torps that are bending in are gonna aim for the bow you slow down and they'll miss. if you're running away from the torps then you start slowing down soon as you see the torps pop up, once they get closer and no longer are homing you speed up and the torps will miss. it's stupid easy to dodge homing torps.
Oh, Ragnar or Incomparable, Ragnar or Incomparable... that is the question...
Well depends what u want to play?BB or DD
In terms of strength; Ragnar is superior.
Incomparable's main gimmick is its amazing concealment (aside from 508mm guns), which unfortunately becomes irrelevent the moment submarines or carriers are in the game.
However, if you want something unique and or dislike permakiting, then incomparable is the better choice as ragnar gameplay tends to get kinda boring quickly.
@@Con9359 Well, I do want something unique, but I don't mind permakiting, but I also want to have some sort of fun...
@@odinsrensen7460I mean you can in theory buy one of the two ships, play ONE round with it (literally only ONE, any mode counts!) and then ask wg support for a refund if you dont like it, also dont forget that your account will be reset to a date before the purchase; Anything you do AFTER the purchase until they rollback the account; will be reset and put back to the state before the purchase.
Otherwise; Incomp is the most unique steel ship together with austin.
Ragnar is the stronger ship overall though, therefore you'll have to decide whether you prefer a unique experience or the objectively stronger ship.
first!
Yes, but meaningless, what's the point on being the first to just write you're the first?
13:30 deserved.. you have to stay with your team mates in a AA bubble
Ah yes, running away to get AA from teammates which puts you out of position and gives enemy DDs the chance to attack your fleet.
@@mayonotes9849 yes
killed tons of ragnars with sherman
LOL How many years old is this video lol look a the flags
or is this just a better way to layout the page lol because WG sucks