Grip Strength Training: Heavy grips vs COC, and conditioning for proper tendon structure.
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- This video covers proper gripper technique, grip strength training, conditioning, and a comparison of COC and Heavy Grips trainers.
Grip strength training is something anyone can do, anywhere, anytime, and is a great foundation for a training program.
Update: 07/23/2022. My record number of reps where the handles touch with a Heavy Grips 200 is 36 with each hand. My best for the HG 250 is ten reps each hand. COC#2 is 5 reps rt, 3 reps lt hand, and I am still about 1/8-1/4” from closing the COC 250. My goal is to be closing the COC 250 by January.
Thank you for watching and please subscribe and follow along, as we are just getting started on this new path.
Thank you again.
I have been able to close the COC #2 for almost 2 years.
I’m 53 years old but I am a drywall contractor so I use my hands every day.
My oldest son can close the COC #3, but like you I have never met another older guy that can come close to closing the #2.
I can rep the #2 like you twice.. I can’t click it 3 times yet.
And I’m working on closing the COC #2.5.
I’m very close.
It’s a fun hobby! Loved your video!
Thanks for sharing! I always figured there had to be more of us out there. 🙏
If I can close a #2 at 53 then I'll be happy :D Now at 27 I can close the #3.5, working on repping it. Love grip training :P
Oh, you closed coc #2 for 2 years? Even while sleeping?
My story with grippers is very similar, I’m 6’8 230lbs and have been getting into armwrestling recently so I bought that same set of heavy grippers first. When I closed them easily I looked into it more and found the CoC grippers and bought the 1 through 4. I managed to get the 2.5 closed as well and am working towards the 3. Been doing roofing/concrete work for the last 10 years (I’m 27) for reference.
You’ll get there! Nice work!
Damn you big as hell bro probably got big hands, you should post training videos, also you are kind of young still so you haven’t even reached old man strength
Does grippers help in arm wrestling
Big hands mean that you have difficulty in getting the grippers to sit fully within one's fingers
Interesting. And what's your level in armwrestling? Do you fell it translates well?
how does this guy not have more subscribers? this was so informative, will definitely be using these tips, thanks a ton!
Please share us around. Thank you for your kind words! 🙏
I closed a 2.5 infront of a buddy and he told me to start competing in armlifting. So i am in this years super series.
Congratulations! 🙏
Very good vid. I love hearing people talk about grippers. It’s funny you mention being unable to find someone to close them. Watching people online makes me feel very weak sometimes.
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Enjoyed that. Been working on my CofC for about 3 weeks now and trying to find a routine that works for me (age 53 BTW). I can close the 2 now both hands so I am going to go to work on the 3. I have a 1,2,3&4. I use the 1 to just warm up a little and stretch everything off before going for it on the 2 and then have a couple of goes on the 3. I use chalk. I got the 4 just to feel what it was like, it’s mega.
Good stuff!
Same age; could close the Coc2 also. One advice: I use for training both heavy grip and CoC; if you want to pass to CoC 3, you must work first CoC 2.5; but first you must to be able to close a heavy grip 250 (a new one is just in the middle between a CoC 2 and 2.5). I used new CoCs 0.5, 1, 2, 2.5 and HG 150, 200 and 250. Generally, the strenght level is like this (for new stuffs, since heavy grip will loose of his resistence if you use it hundreds of time - the material is not so god as in case of a CoC): HG 150 - CoC 0.5 (little stronger than previous) - CoC 1 - CoC 1.5 - HG 200 (little stronger than CoC 1.5) - CoC 2 - HG 250 - CoC 250. Now I can close a CoC 2 one-two times and felt only 5 mm to close a HG 250. I train 1 time per week (if not, in 2-3 months will get injury if I don't rest enough my forearm tendons and muscles - I use a "compet" training). Another thing: this kind of exercize is just for the grip; if you want to strenght the entire forearm and grip, you mustn’t focuse in achieve CoC 3, 3.5 etc, but to combine this exercise with others that strenhgt your … wrist; with just the grip exercises, your grip of a CoC 3 represent nothing compare / against (for those who paractice martial arts) a person with good wrist force. Practice hand grip make strong only your grip, but not your wrist. The same in case of preactising for the … health : combine them al middle level (ex for wrist and for grip).
@@krausmar-dy7bd Hello. Well a year has passed. Easily close the CoC 2 now for reps. Bought the CoC 2.5 and can close that. Can nearly close the CoC 3 with my left hand which is slightly stronger than my right. Did a grip test the other day and was 95kg left, 90kg right so pretty good. Agree on the wrist & forearm strength being different and required for training. I only do this for fun. Genetics and natural ability obviously help. Best of luck 💪
this videos just helped me close a 150lb, thanks
You are welcome!
There is a big difference between three different No. 2 CC grippers. We are three friends who compete against each other and the goal was to close No. 2, which we are now doing all three, but! When we met and took our CC 2 with us, we tried each other's and there was a very big difference in the resistance in my CC2 compared to the other two that the friends had. I clamped the others' two gripper CC 2 together without problem, but they didn't have a chance to get my gripper together! We're going to put them in a vise and load them to see how many kg they differ. But my gripper has almost a cm left to close, so a very big difference between three different grippers.
I don’t give much thought to gripper differences. When a person gets into grip training, each gripper will have its time and place. If three different COC2 grippers have different pull weights, start light and work your way up. They all have their place and actual rating numbers are irrelevant except for competition maxing.
Thanks for very good video, you are the first who explain the sides I have to hold gripper. Also thank you for your English, because sometimes very difficult understand other people, but your English is easy to understand
Thank you for the kind words. Glad to help!
I have rock climbed for 25 years and trained grippers for just over a year. I only just got the 2.5 which was an easy one at RCG 123
Sounds like you need a 300. 🙏
thanks for the advice
You are welcome. 🙏
Thanks for the tips on training, i've bought my first COC 3days ago and its a #1.5 one, im about half an inch away on closing it, slowly progressing. But i've ordered a #0.5 and a #1 which will arrive in about a week or so so that i could squeeze out more reps and do more effective workouts. im sure in about 2weeks or so ill be able to close the #1.5.
Awesome feedback, Thank You! I agree. You’ll blow through the 1.5 pretty quick, and then it’s a lot of patience over a long period of time. Negative grip training is the ticket.
Great video. Very informative. My mom has late stage Parkinson’s at only 67 and I still test her grip because it was always strong, even now. Strength training has been shown to be one of the best things for Parkinson’s, so keep up the good work! I can close the CoC 3 with a deep set but recently started using the no set technique and am getting close to the 2.5 but it’s very hard without long fingers. Just subscribed, so I’m excited to see future videos 👍🏻
Thank you for the story. I too am still working to close the 2.5 with no set. Please let me know when you make it!
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense will do! I do random strength feats on my channel. Nothing incredible but it’s fun. How do you spell the name of that liquid you put on your hands? Thanks
@@stevelegreid Dit Da Jow.
@@stevelegreid Subscribed.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefensethanks a lot!
You are stronger than you look to be!
I have all CoC except from #3,5.
My next goal is to close #1,5 and will be satisfied if I ever close #2.
Just a tip: lubricate the springs! You not only get rid of the annoying squeakiness but also get better training efficiency and protect the spring from rust and mechanical worn.
Thanks!🙏
Great grip strength video ! I've been into them for several years and have built up a huge collection of grippers over the years.
I've managed to close the COC 2.5 3 or 4 times in my life when I could close the Coc 2 for less reps. Now I can close the coc 2 for a lot more reps but haven't been able to get that 2.5 closed in a while and it's frustrating !
Take care :)
Thank you. I’m about 1/8” from closing the 2.5. The 3 still seems like an impossible task, but I can close it with both hands and negative train, and in February I couldn’t close it with both hands. It’s definitely addictive. Have a great night!
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense Good Stuff ! I've subscribed to your channel, you too 👍
@@markj5054 Thank you! 🙏
I ordered set of CofC all 10. Closed a 2. Closed barley 2.5 maybe a hair off. Never done before but iv climbed trees 25 yrs. I'm now 45
You’ll make good gains right away, then it will be a slow grind. Good luck!
I tought i had a strong grip. But today i got my CoC 3. and 3.5 and hell, they break me. I have some 20 Euro Grips with 60Kg and 100Kg and they are nothing. They are good to get warm but the CoC are on another Level and i can't wait to get a better Grip and hopefully i will beat them. Thanks for your Video. You gave me all Informations that i need. Have a nice Day ❤
You are welcome. Enjoy and good luck!
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Amazing way to explain it, really solid. And the side topics were really interesting too!
Thank You! 🤠🙏
Started with the Bone Crushers. Got the 250 closed so figured I can get a 2.5 cc no problem...WRONG...some days I still can't get it....I also over train I think...I'm doing some kind of gripper daily. Sometimes it's the walmart one I do for a few hundred reps...some days I go heavy....It's amazing how much your hand strength can differ from day to day
Agreed! 🤠🙏
@sissymarylen15741a Two points, Bone Crushers seem to be an even cheaper version of Heavy Grip, so they are probably even less consistent in their ratings than Heavy Grips, who are definitely less consistent than Captains of Crush and Ironmind admits that their grippers are not 100% identical for a given grade. Also, the 100, 150, 200 on HG does not represent 100 lbs, 150 lbs or 200 lbs; instead they are just a way of representing easier or harder resistance. I have no idea whether HG intended those numbers to have any relationship with an objective resistance. What I do know is that I have 3 HG 150s and they all provide very different resistance. So, the fact that the Bone Crusher is marked 250 has no relation to Captains of Crush using 2.5 as a designation for one of their grippers. The best thing is to get them rated - that is measured under load - then you know what you are actually working with.
The second thing is that Russian Weightlifters used to measure their strength daily - using a dynamometer, I guess - because a significant change in grip strength could indicate whether or not they were over trained. I believe that a marked and unexpected improvement could be as significant as a marked drop, but I don't remember the details, sorry. Of course, it is more difficult if the event you are training is grip. But you could use your warm up sets to see how you feel. This is similar to Easy Strength training by Dan John and Pavel Tsatsouline - if a relatively easy weight feels heavier than usual, it might be time to back off or change something.
I move up to the next level when I am able to do 6 sets (3 sets spring facing up, and 3 sets spring facing down) of 50 reps on each hand
Very nice!👍🏼
I just started with gripping last week and got a 100 lbs gripper to start with ( Im 6"3, 180 lbs so pretty lean and 26 yrs old. I work as furniture/interiorbuilder). It is very easy. I can do 20 reps with no problem. After 20 reps I ofcourse start to feel it but that is because Im not used to this kind of training. Ill move up to 150 soon
If you can close it, it’s too light to start. Move up to a gripper you cannot close, then drop back one level. Good luck! 🍀👍🏼
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense I will buy some CoC grippers. I think No1 is doable but I dont think 1.5 will be doable.....so then I buy those 2?
@@matthijsvanemous7046 Look at both Heavy Grips and COC. Between the two, a person can get enough different grippers to fill in the gaps. They are cheap enough to where a person can pick up a good selection. You can’t have too many.
@@matthijsvanemous7046 That is what I would do. I’d also recommend a Heavy Grips 200.
Highly recommend COC and GHP grippers. Standard grippers from Cannon Powerworks are a newer gripper which I've also heard great things about
Just with training, 3 things came to mind:
- Don't neglect extensor training (spreading finger strength)
- Good idea to give plenty of time for recovery. I find that once every 5-6 days is great for grippers personally
- Highly recomend using chalk. Doesn't matter how strong you are, the grippers eventually keep slipping
TNS is the hardest way to close them by far - very impressive
Thank You! 🙏
better grip better heart
False how do u even come to that consensus?
@@clempat4Perhaps because strong grips push out the veins, making you look very strong hearted?
@@clempat4 "The strength of your hands may hold clues to the health of your heart. A study in the December 2015 American Journal of Preventive Medicine found that people with stronger handgrips had more favorable findings on measures of their cardiovascular health than those with weaker grips.
The study included more than 4,200 adults ages 20 and older who were part of a nationwide health study. Researchers used a device called a dynamometer to measure each participant's hand strength, adjusting the readings based on body mass index. They found that higher handgrip strength was associated with lower blood pressure, lower triglycerides (a type of fat in the blood), lower blood sugar, and higher HDL (good) cholesterol.
Earlier studies have linked grip strength with future disability, heart disease, and death. One study even found that grip strength was a better predictor of death or cardiovascular disease than blood pressure. Together, these findings highlight the importance of doing regular exercise to maintain strong muscles as you age. "
@@clempat4Studies have been done on it. Stronger grip was connected to lower chance of cardiovascular events. And higher survival rate of diseases.
@@clempat4grip strength is directly correlated to circulatory and cardiovascular health. It’s even been proven to be more effective at determining life expectancy then blood pressure tests. Respectfully don’t talk when you don’t know anything.
I've had my grippers for a year now bought them while being 19 I've met 6 people who can close my #2 and 2 others who have closed a #2.5 I've done 4 reps with my 2.5 and have closed a #3 with a set I'm working on training to get it verified so well see how long it takes but I agree while training the table style for grabbing the gripper will benefit working on verifying my the #3
Nice work!
thank you your doing awesome as well keep at it@@AtHomeTacticalDefense
Ive closed number 2 coc gripper
Un assisted
And a Number 3 assisted close
Please share a video of closing the CoC3. It places you in a very elite crowd. 👊
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense will do
Carl Myerscough has videos of closing the COC #4
He’s a 6’10” 350lb world class athlete. I’m a 5’10” 175lb 56 year old retired desk jockey with Parkinson’s. If I can manage half his grip strength, I’ll take it.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense if you get half his grip you’ll be the man. It’ll be tough. I was amazed to watch him close the #4.
@@bllivermI’ve closed a CoC2.5 3 different times, but I cannot back it up and it’s been months since the last time. It’ll come this year.
Bought,100,150,200lbs off Amazon Arrival tomorrow. I've been building up with puddy, store grippers and finger webs. I MAY be able to close the 200. I'll write back with results.
Please do and good luck. Thank you for the kind words. 🙏
Very informative and helpful. thank you for such quality content.
My pleasure!
Nice video. I've got two of the heavy grippers myself, the 150 and the 200lbs. Then I ordered another set of golden grippers from temu, starting at 250lbs. They are only slightly wider than the heavy grippers, and don't appear to be as wide as the CoC grippers. Haven't been able to close any of them so far.
This is my first time hearing that CoC is more difficult to close than CoC, though I knew CoC was the golden standard and I was wondering how they compared. Good to know the 250lbs is roughly equivalent to CoC nr2.
I think the CoC grippers are overpriced. The heavy grippers were maybe half the price of CoC, and the golden grippers were a total bargain for what is essentially the same product. Just order thicker coils!
If it works for you, use it! I bought a $20.00 set of grippers and they work great. 👍🏼
Nice video sir you should do more grip strength videos God bless
More to come!
Love your channel
very interesting video! I just recently got into grip. I can comfortably close a coc 1.5, and am about half a centimeter away from a 2!
Excellent! Keep up the training. 🙏
Great video with some interesting points .
Glad you enjoyed it; Thank You!
This is great , thank you !(70 but still at it)
Great job! 🤠🙏
Grippers are optimised for right hands. Ironmind make left-hand versions but they dont come in .5 increments. I just got the number 2 in the post this week and I closed it no problem with my right. With my left though, I needed about 3mm to close it. I'm pretty sure they are equal in strength because of the way gripper coils are positioned for right hands but I think i'll get the left-hand version of the #2 to make sure and train each hand equally. By the way, you should oil your coils. Thanks for the vid.
The IronMind Left Turn grippers are a solution looking for a problem. The standard grip trainers work fine in either hand.
Very informative Sir. Thank You very much
You are welcome! 🤠🙏
Excellent video
Thank you. 🙏
Look at the size forearms and hands💪💪💪
Thank you. 🤠🙏
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense BLESS YOU🙏🙏🙏
Hi. Great video! I recomend you to try the GHP (Gillingham high preformance) grippers, american made, they have a little more aggressiv nurlings then CoC, and even 1-2mm wider . I think 4-7 would be great for you as are quite strong!
Best wishes from Norway 💪 😊
Thank You!
Great video, I hope I can be as strong as you when I'm your age
You can do it!
Great informative video.
Thank You! 🤠🙏
I consider myself kinda weak so i got the COC S last week thinkg it would work my way up and it was way to easy. So same day i got it i ordered a COC T thinking it would be hard and that one was easy too. I got 3 sets of 10 reps touching the ends each close right out of the package. Im going to order a no. 1 & 2 in a week or or so. I pretty confident I will be able to close a 1 right out of the package. I based my choice off of captain of crush video demoing them saying strong guys start with the trainer, most guys that lift weights can't close a 1 ect. So i went 1 size up to the S thinking if I can't do it i would just get the easiest one and id have one to work up too.
Awesome! It sounds like you have some natural ability. You’ll make gains fast. 🙏
I didn't realize how weak the average guy is until you mentioned it in this. I can do 200 pounds easy and all I really do is rice bucket training for wrist damage and this is with my weak wrist.
Yep. 72lbs is the average human male.
I have the COC3 and used to close it like it was a joke. I haven't seen it for a few years. I used to keep it with me in my truck and test people everywhere and only found one other guy that could get it within 3/4" of closing. Most people thought there was some trick or something because I would click the ends together several times them just grind them together. Afterwards I handed it to them and they barely budged it sometimes even with two hands. Lol. I need to find that thing again.
Less than 300 people out of 8 billion in the world have ever closed a COC3. Congratulations on being in a very small group. Only 2 people have closed a COC4. If the 3 was that easy, you should definitely try a 4. Again, you are one of the strongest people in the world.
People have been telling me I am strong my entire life and since I have never actually trained anything or gone to the gym I guess it is just genetics combined with growing up in my Grandfather's junk yard. Lol. I honestly never believed most of my friends that always claimed I hurt them and the famous "you don't know your own strength" line. But there was only one guy in school that could beat me in arm wrestling and on occasion I could beat him left handed. Lol. Definitely not claiming to be strong but the 3 was easy for me the last time I tried it and I do plan to search for it and try it out now after several years have passed. I will report back if I do. I am just a fat old country boy and I am happy with everything God gives me.
I find literally the weight on the captain of crush is way harder n more accurate on pounds heavy grips feel so much easier.
Agreed. I can close a COC 2, and an HG250 about the same number of reps. Both the COC3 and HG300 are very close to the same, but since I can’t close either, it will be a while before I can tell how close.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense I can do the 200 pounds for reps heavy grip heaviest I got in coc is 120 it’s getting easy so I need to order heavier ones in coc. Great video btw keep it up!
The HG250 is a good intermediate between the HG200 and COC2. It is slightly easier than the COC, partially because the start width is narrower than the COC’s, and the knurling on the handles is a bit courser.
Heavy grips measure in the middle of handle.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense See I feel the opposite about HG grippers, I always thought their knurling was very dull and CoC was in the middle. Cannon powerworks Standard grippers have a very sharp and quality knurling, plus they fit perfectly in between CoC grippers.
I'm a 26 yo mechanic. I can close the coc 1.5 for sets and reps of 10. The 2 I can close some days, when I'm warmed up 2 touches max. Still practicing
Edit: wife reminded me I'm 27
I wish I had started grip training at 27: You’ll be an animal by 50. 🤠
Ha, ha, that reminds me of a roommate I had who was a mechanic who didn't look big and was shorter than me, a little pudgy, but when he shook your hand you felt like a rag doll in the hand of giant gorilla. It was clear who was the man when you shook his hand. I still don't understand it, he didn't crush your hand but his shake was incredibly powerful, almost like a heavy industrial machine shaking your arm. My friends and I all discussed it, they would comment to the side, "he shook my arm off".
the thing that people say be careful about is negative reps. its in fact can injure you. with negative you close the gripper any way you can until handles touch and then try to hold it with one hand. at that point the gripper just want to explode back the hardest. if youre not strong enough that can injure you. what can really help is holds. close the hardest gripper you can close with one hand and hold it closed as long as you can.
Thank you for another well thought out opinion. On the other side of the fence is the crowd that believes the human hand will open before any serious physical damage occurs, and this theory is tested millions of times per day all over the world, and there doesn’t appear to be a rash of hand explosions. Negative grip training is recommended by the top trainers, and personally I still can’t close a 2.5, but I can close a 400 with both hands and release it as fast as I can, and it just opens my hand. Yes, injuries happen. Like with everything martial, proceed at your own risk.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense You don't have 170+ lbs of hand crushing strength then, that's literally breaking hands on hand shakes, the coc 3 is rated around 146, you'd be banging sets of 3.5s Lol, they claim to be rated for such weight, yet the gg4 which is supposedly equivalent to the 2.0-2.5 is rated at what, somewhere around 117?
@@chrisdinke271 The CoC 2 is the certified standard at 195lbs. I’ve broken a number of medical grip dynamometers that only go to 200lbs. Gripper ratings are difficult to measure, but medical grade dynamometers are extremely accurate, and they support the CoC published ratings.
@@chrisdinke271 The very low ratings come from improper testing where a weight is hung on the end of a gripper handle. The problem with that method of testing is that the majority of a persons hand is not on the end of the gripper. The only true way to compare grippers is with a dynamometer.
@@MokeTheGeniusDog Those are certified, and tested by Ironmind, cannonpowerworks, grip genie, and many more rated/prerated lol, unless you're implying they're faulty ratings?
I have the 2- and the 2.5 i make everyone i know try them😁 i can close the 2.5! Now I'm working on the #3💪
Congrats on the 2.5! I’m getting really close. When you close the 3, throw a party, as I believe only a few hundred people in the world can close it.
Great video 👍
Thanks 👍
You get that 2.5 in the books since this video dropped? I started doing gripper training in June of this year, now December and I'm hoping to close the 2.5 by the end of the month from about a 30mm set. Definitely have found the progress slowing down at this level. Grinding toward the 3 is going to take some time!
No, I’m still working on it. I got really sick back in May and it’s been a fight ever since. I passed a kidney stone a few months back, then had my gallbladder removed last week. Based on a reminder from another follower, I’m going to focus more on the negative grip training. I’ve been slacking on that key part of the process. I’ve also been working copper (heavy) Baoding balls for the past few months and while stamina is definitely increasing, overall strength is remaining static. It’ll come, but like you noticed, progress at this level is very slow.
I did 72kg left and 74kg right on a dynamometer earlier this week. I can close a coc 2.5 and hope to close a coc3.0 one day.
Awesome! Please stop back when you do.
Coc2 in the first go?
@@clempat4It took me about 3-4 years to close a COC2, and now I can close it 6 times on a good day, and I still cannot close a COC 2.5. Getting close!
Chalking your hands helps reduce chafing on your palms.
Thank you. Part of my martial arts training is conditioning, and my palms are very tough. I’ve had no issues with chaffing, and I’m working the 250 and 300lb trainers regularly. I like the Heavy Grips best for palm conditioning, as their knurling is very aggressive.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense there you go. The force required to close these is apparently measured at the center of the handles. However there's a website called cannon power works that measures the force by hanging weight at the ends of the handles. A coc 2.5 rates an average of 126 lbs while the hg 250 averages 115. But the numbers can vary up to +/- 15 lbs from one individual gripper to the next. Hence the averages. They will even rate your exact gripper for a small fee before sending it to you if you purchase from them.
I bought the CoC 1 as my first gripper, and for my right hand it was fine, but left, it was too hard for training. When I bring it around to friends/office/family most people struggle to close it. I think setting technique could help them for sure. I also bought a Robert Baraban Adjustable gripper, and I only use that for training. I can close it at 227.5lb (second spring at 4.5 level). So in theory I should be able to close a CoC 2.5, but I've experienced that lb rating on CoC seems more conservative, so i.e I doubt I could even close a CoC 2. I might buy a CoC 2 just to have it as a goal gripper. The Robert Baraban goes up to 500lb with both springs, no human can ever close it, so I have that gripper for the rest of my life :) At 500lb, I could move the gripper about 1 mm with both hands.
I don’t worry about exact numbers, as they are irrelevant. Grippers do not change over time, so they are a great tool to gauge improvement.
I cant do the table method. My hands are small and cant even reach it with my pinky, so setting it is the only way for me
Which grippers are you using? The Heavy Grips are quite a bit narrower than Captains of Crush.
I bought the whole heavy grip set I can close the 150 out the package and almost the 200. Just starting grip training at 25.
You’ll jump to the 200 pretty quick, and then it is a long grind to the 250. Consistent practice over time is the trick.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense Thanks for the advice and also just subscribed :) Been weightlifting for 6 years prior to buying this gripper set which I think helped a lot otherwise the 100 would probably still be too hard for me today haha.
The problem is that most people are using these for one rep max crush. This is not the best way to train. I am 6'1 250 lbs and still bought the basic 60 lb trainer model and do 3 slow sets of up to 15 each set. Also, correct technique is to use upper pads of the fingers which then will limit what you can do. Thanks!
I started with the HG200 and worked it up to 48 straight reps. I’m up to 10 reps with the HG250. I can rep a COC2 5 times. I don’t believe I would gain any benefit from using a 60lb trainer. I’m 5’10” 174lbs. After I max, I then rep progressively lighter grippers until fatigue, or I’ll 2 hand crush the gripper I can’t close and negative train. Thank you for your input.
There's a video on UA-cam by Larry Wheels where he's in a gym with some pretty strong looking bodybuilders. Several couldn't close a CoC #1 and only one closed a CoC #2.
There is a study floating around online where they tested I believe 700 people, and the average grip strength of adult males is 72lbs. Closing a COC2 is something to be proud of.
I just got the 2.5 closed. Took me 6 months
Congratulations! I’ve been working on it for 7-8 months, and I’m close. Hopefully I can close it in the next few months. Nice work!
I can almost close my 250. Im like right there. Less then half an inch.
I’ve been stuck at about 1/8” from close on a COC 2.5 for about a year. Stamina is improving, but improving peak power is proving to be elusive at the moment.
I've seen a couple videos now that mention which side of the gripper to put towards our thumb. Why does it make a difference?
It creates a straighter pull into the palm and the curved side flexing creates more progression through the pull. My opinion.
Thanks 💪
You're welcome 😊
@@AtHomeTacticalDefenseI will add that I have CoC 1;1.5;2 and 2,5 which is my goal and now I am struggling with 2 and your tips are very helpful
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Few years ago I had a hard time finding a set of second hand grippers and came across HG 250/300/350 presumably because the previous owner saw no logical reason to keep them. I couldn’t close the 250 for a few months. Still cannot close the 350 and have only managed to truly close the 300 maybe a dozen times in 5 years. Depends on if you ate breakfast, how many times you worked out that week, your overall mood. Most people just don’t get why? I usually say it helps me to lift more but really we’re all just nuts. Have you tried nail bending?
No nail bending here. I grip train for martial arts/grappling.
I'm exactly where you are. I did close the 2.5 but I used my other hand to set it right and already had it 75% closed. I can close a 2 3 times without that.
I can look at the COC grips 100 times but I see no difference between the sides as shown in min 3:20.
When you get to closing high weights at high reps, you’ll notice the difference without having to look. The gripper will want to twist out of your hand, instead of into it. Look between the top of the grip and the first coil. One side will be slightly more straight.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense Thank you for the answer. The straight coil is by the thumb, right?
If the handle side is so important, a marking would be much easier to see.
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I am one or two millimeters from closing coc #2.5 with my right hand.
I’m topped out at the same place. One thing I’ve learned, the process works. When you get there, you can help me up!
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The ratings companies say are wrong. A Number2 is not even remotely close to 200lbs it’s 100lbs at best
Partially correct. A #2 CoC is 195lbs. A 2.5 is 235lbs. Heavy grips 200 is 164lbs. There is variability between grippers and ratings, but it’s not an issue. Purchase enough grippers so you have one you can just close, one or two steps lower, and 1-2 steps higher. The rating doesn’t matter. I squeezed 172 lbs on a grip dyno in physical therapy, and then I bought the HG200. I was able to close it 3 times. That was in 2016. I was up to 28 closes before I could close the HG250. I’ve now closed the HG250 10 times, and I’ve only managed to just close the CoC2.5 one time on three occasions now. It’s getting close.
Only 5 people have officially closed a number 4
closing a coc#2 tns like you do is very hard. you grip strength is very high level. you should be able to close #2.5 if you use proper setting technique.
Thank you. 🙏
Took me a month and I close 200. Gonna get 2.5 next
That is great! It took me 3-4 years starting with a Heavy Grips 200 before I could close the COC 2. I’ve been at it another year and a half and I still can’t close the COC 2.5. Once a person reaches their max, it takes a lot of time and work to improve. I’m fighting old age and Parkinson’s, but I don’t let excuses slow me down. I look forward to hearing back from you along your journey. Thanks for sharing. 🙏
I think the captains of crush are much better quality then the hg grippers and harder
Definitely agree! The build quality of COC is far superior to HG. HG doesn’t even get their grips even sometimes. My 250 is off by 1/8”.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense I need to get back into it I used to be obsessed with it but need to get motivated again.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense I can still close the 250 more then 20 times even though I haven't trained for a couple of years but when I was training regularly a couple of years ago I could close them more then 40 times and I could also close the 350 for reps and the captains of crush number 3 for reps which is world class,. When I seen your video I thought I would get mine out the drawer lol
I'm 36 I worked with my hands. I've been in management the last 3 years. My hands would go numb while commuting 4 hours. I tried an adjustable 10kg to 40kg adjustable gripper instantly max'd out. After trying this I noticed I gained allot of strength and ordered an adjustable up to 265 lb $20 gripper. I can get good pulls at the max adjustment. I just ordered the coc no. 2.5 237lb it arrives in two days. I wonder how I'll do, btw no more numbness.
That is great. Please post back when you get your gripper.
@AtHomeTacticalDefense I was unable to close the 2.5. I got within a half an inch. I will work at getting them to close.
I was closing the 2.5 about once per week, but recently I’ve backslid a bit for some unknown reason. I’m sure it’ll come back strong soon. Might have been a bit of overtraining.
Ok, I am the 70 year old, tried 100, too easy , bought a 150 and will be working on that one for Lord knows how long. We'll see.
Best of luck! 🙏
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I compete in powerlifting at 181 lbs. I can deadlift about 600 lbs without hand straps. I'm not sure what that is with grippers though.
Start with a COC2.
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Wow i was surprised when you closed the HG250. I can close the Coc 2 using a deep set about 6-10 times depending on the day but I still cannot close my HG250 even once ;/
It’s probably more of a variance in manufacturing than anything else. With no set, I can close my COC 2 3-4 times, and the HG250 8-10 times.
I can barely close CC #1 unless I warm up with two three rounds of CC Trainer. But I haven't gotten up to your level yet I'm only closing 1.5 yet and have a little bit left on No. 2. But I've only been at it for two months and No. 2 I'll close by summer!
Good plan! I’m plateaued right now due to grappling classes. My grip is being used for grabbing and holding which is good for slow Twitch long fiber muscle, at the cost of fast Twitch and power. My grip stamina is improving, but at the cost of a little strength. It’ll take time for my body to adapt, but a COC 2.5 close is on the horizon.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense How is it going with Cc no. 2.5?
Hi noticed that when I grip the grippers that it rest at the base of your thumb, you can actually still move thumb when gripper is closed. Meaning your only using your fingers to grip. If you use it upside down in your hand put one end on the first knuckle down on your thumb it brings your thumb into play aswell not just your fingers.
The further the gripper is set into the palm, the greater the leverage. The further out on the fingers, the leverage reduces exponentially. This is why setting the gripper gives higher readings. Personally, I don’t set the gripper as I am working on strength through the entire grip range for grappling, and max numbers is not my goal.
Hi I'm also working on a full grip from damage from a accident and exercise advised by physio but was amazed that the thumb isn't brought into play. I think maybe that's why physio get you squashing a ball full grip comes into play. Good video Thanks for replying Mick
I found a 1200 lb grip trainer on amazon. That is my goal. I want to defeat a grizzly bear with my grip alone. He bites me and i bite him back with my hand.
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Thank you man i have closed the captains of crush 2 with both hands i got it yeasterday and I want to buy a coc trainer thats about 100 pounds so I can build up to do the 2 with one hand. this video realy motivated me and I learned alot of usefull stuff thank you very much
Thank you for the kind words. 🤠🙏
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense i have now closed the 1,5 for a few reps and I am confident that I will reach my goal of closing the 2 by the time I am 18. Thank you for this video i think this got me into grip strength and I am very gratefull, thank you so much😊
@@monkoko6441 You are welcome! It sounds like you are on track. I’m on a major plateau right now. I’m grappling quite a bit, and it’s seriously hurting my grip max. My endurance and strength at a fully closed fist is improving, but my max hasn’t moved since October. It’ll come in time.
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I can close the 2 and 2.5 (sometimes) with my right. The best I can do with my left is the 1.5. Pretty big difference. I keep trying to close that gap but my left hand just doesn't want to catch up
Great work! Heavy Grips or COC?
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense captains of crush. I started off with heavy grips a while back and found them to be inconsistent. The coc can he humbling at times.
@@ijrebuck I’m able to rep the COC 2, 3-4 times, but the 2.5 is still 1/8” from closing on my best attempts. When I started grappling again last year, it seriously put me back in grip strength. My grip stamina is phenomenal at this point, but overall grip strength is still not progressing. It’ll come in time.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense weird thing for me is I can only close the 2 once fully. I can maybe do 2 sets of 1 but I can't do multiple reps in a set. My stamina for crushing strength isn't great.
@@ijrebuck Everyone is unique. 🙏
I feel like having less muscles in your arms will make ur grip strength better. Obviously your arms will be weaker but I think it should make it easier for you to close your hand because its pretty hard to move big hard muscles whereas a tiny floppy one in ur forearm can do whatever it wants despite it of course being weaker because it can bend around ur bone and other muscles better when it is flexed.
My other reason is: The biggest guy I've met cant close a 200 lb one at all whereas litterly the skinniest guy I've met who had a deformity on the right side of his body that made him basically bone with a very tiny amount of muscle there was capable of closing a 400 lb gripper when he was give or take 80 to 90 lbs at most.
Humans have a great capacity for strength. I find the bigger ones take their strength for granted and most don’t train to their ability.
@sparrow9990 Two things, bigger guys sometimes rely on big show muscles and use straps to move heavy weight, so not all big guys are strong. Secondly, people who work with their hands all the time may have much stronger grip strength than people who train with grippers once or twice a week. Some of the Captains of Crush, who have closed the #3 are fairly small guys - Tommy Heslep is a good example. Nevertheless, many of the strongest grips, including the guys who have legitimately closed the #4, are not small. While I believe that pound for pound strength is important and accept that some "big" muscles are just pumped up, it is still true that a strength-trained big guy is almost certainly going to be stronger than a strength-trained little guy. Look at people like Magnus Samuelson or Mark Felix, for example. It is true that Magnus Midtbo has a massive - world class - grip for a fairly small guy, but he is an exceptional climber who trains hard. Finally, the ratings on most grippers are relative to other grippers from that manufacturer. A 100 Heavy Grip should be easier than a Heavy Grip 200, but the numbers do not refer to poundages and two grippers with the same number may vary widely. Even the heaviest Captains of Crush number 4s do not have the resistance as advertised. This is why serious grip athletes recommend that you get your gripper rated. I do not doubt that your friend closed a very heavy gripper - probably because his disability may have forced him to work harder in daily life - but I would be very surprised if it is a 400 lb gripper, even if it has the number 400 on the handle.
How long have you been working grip training?
I started in 2016 after an accident. The physical therapist said I had the strongest grip he had tested in 30 years of practice. Overall strength, 8 years, I’ve increased my peak strength by only about 50 pounds. My age and Parkinson’s are now taking their toll, so I’m not sure my peak strength will ever increase. Stamina definitely is getting better. Any more, I just train to train. I live it. 🙏
Hi, I am sure you have very good grip strength. However, you should know that the ratings on Heavy Grips are purely notional. I have 3 HG 100s and they are all somewhat different. One is massively harder than the other two and is actually harder to close than the HG 150 or even the Ironmind CoC #0.5 and is about equivalent to my Ironmind #1. I am not very strong and have nearly closed the Ironmind #1 on a couple of occasions, but I have closed a number of HG 150s - all of which are different in resistance. Ironmind admit that it is almost impossible to get the springs identical, so grippers of the same number may have different resistance. Also, the published numbers do not appear to correspond to the ratings - this may be because of the difference between the mechanics of the ratings apparatus and that of the human hand. Nevertheless, the published ratings should not be taken too literally.
This is why they suggest getting your grippers rated. I live in the UK and the cost of getting all my grippers rated is prohibitive, esp. once I add in shipping. With no disrespect to Heavy Grips, they are cheaper than CoC and they vary much more. I suggest you should only use 100, 150, 200 as relative numbers and not as poundage ratings, esp. as another batch may have wildly different strengths. If you can afford it, get your grippers rated against real weights by a reputable individual or company.
Your comment that you have not found people who can close one of your grippers may reflect the people you meet or it may indicate that your gripper is a particularly tough gripper. There are some massively strong people who seem to have poor grip strength with torsion grippers and there are relatively small individuals who score highly on Captains of Crush. Of course, some of the older records involve people using a very narrow set. Like you, I prefer to do a "table-top set" - that is, just pick the thing up and close it (or, at least, try to!)
Thank you. I do not care about exact gripper ratings. Each gripper is it’s own gauge and improvement can be measured over time.
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I would like for you to show plate flips with your amazing forearm strength. I can only flip a 30 # plate. Show me the sauce.
Maybe one day! 😁
I can close my HG200 pretty easily.
Only a handful of my friends and family can close an HG200. Nice work! I’d go to work on the HG250 and CoC2. 🙏👊
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense I have to hold back when i shake most people's hands.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense I also use an NSD spinner.
Is it me, or was it when you tried them with your left hand you couldn't do them? I know my right hand is stronger than my left because I have been using it more throughout my life. Unless both your hands have been shown to be equally strong.
I’m right hand dominate, and my right is slightly stronger than my left.
Hand size makes a big difference... How long is your hand ?? I can close a 2.5 with a set.. 7.5 inch hand ✋️
I have average sized hands. Not big by any means. I still can’t close a 2.5. I started grappling again and the long steady gripping is building endurance at the expense of strength. It also has my hands very sore a good part of the week. It’s going to take some time for my body to adjust and the muscle to start building again. It took me 3 years to close the 2, so I’m in no hurry.
I am thinking to get a Crush Gripper, but which one?
I have the heavy grippers (100, 150 and 200). I don’t really use them, but I can close the 200lbs for 11 reps.
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The CoC2 is where you want to start. I can rep the new HG200 26 reps, but I can only close the CoC2 3-4 reps. You’ll be a while before you’ll be able to close the 2. Good luck!
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I would never jump to my max weight off the bat. If i do that my hand aches, and i cant do much more. I feel like if you cant do as much after you’re warmed up, you shouldn’t be doing more than that cold.
Each individual must know their own limitations, and you have found yours, so cool! There are some who believe warm up is a must, and another crowd who believes warm up is a waste of time. I believe both groups are right. Some people require a long warm up and slow cool down, while others can do a full sprint at their peak from a cold start, and immediately crash on a lounge chair with a cold beer. It’s the same as short stocky guys make great Sumo Wrestlers, but extremely poor sprinters. My advice is to always start any exercise routine under the care of a doctor, and work up slowly to learn limitations.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense I agree with what you say, but even Pavel Tsatsouline - who generally advises against relying on warm ups (because there are situations where you don't have time to warm up or stretch) still suggests that ramping up may be necessary if you are going for a new PR or a 1 rep max. Gripper training tends to involve more work at the harder end of the spectrum, people working on closing their goal gripper or doing negatives and holds, etc, so it is more like really heavy weight lifting than daily training. Also, for people who use a set to help with a hard gripper, this is equivalent to doing heavy partials - this is why I agree with you that most gripper training should be full range, so that you are working (mostly) within your abilities. Nevertheless, while I used to do no warm ups when I followed Pavel's Power to the People routine and also did heavy PR singles without warm ups, following a modified version of Steve Justa's Singles routine, I still warm up my hands with lighter grippers. With the weight training, I never had any injuries or problems, but with grip, my hands can ache. I often use contrast baths - cold and hot and cold - to relieve pain. If I warm up, this is eliminated or massively reduced.
@@charleshayes2528 I have no issues maxing every 3 days or so, and I have found over the past 8 years that any warmup reduces my max closing weight. Again, I believe genetics plays a role. Research fast vs slow twitch muscle. People are different.
Hello sir. Do you know what gripper to buy for working sets? (4-8) when i can close 250HG 1 time? I dont have a working gripper cuz th 200lbs is a failed design its like 150lbs. So im kinda stuck
The HG 250 is slightly easier than the COC 2. The HG 200 is about 165lbs, and I believe the COC 2 is 195. The HG 250 must be around 185 or so. I’d pick up an HG 200 and work it for reps. I could do about 25 reps on the 200 before I could close the 250. You can also file down the grips on the 200 to make it close further. If you want to build strength, negative grip train. Buy a gripper that requires two hands to close, and then hold it closed as long as possible with one hand. Repeat every 3-5 days. In between, keep working reps on the lighter gripper. Good luck!
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense I can close 200HG for 25 but 250 for one if my forearm is okay. So 20lbs is so much difference? from 25 reps to 1
@@slowedkingishere Yes, 20lbs from max is a huge difference. The higher a person goes, the more even a pound makes a difference. People will train for years to go from 300 to 350. It took me a few years of off and on training, combined with 4 months or so of dedicated effort to go from an HG200 to a COC2. It’s been another 6 months, and I’ve still not closed the COC2.5. It could be a few more months. Grip training is slow going.
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense So just use the 200lbs higher grip on the handles ? No in between
@@slowedkingishere That is what I did. I’ve now ground down the inside of the bottom of the handles where they touch on my 200, so it closes further, and I went from 48 reps down to around 30. I’ve not max repped it yet, but it is much more difficult.
I'm up to the 300 / coc#3 in my arm recovery
Congrats! Nice work. 🙏
I had a 2.5 that I closed on my first try
If I were you, I’d pick up a 300, and work it until you can close it. You’d be among the top in the world. Nice work!
@@AtHomeTacticalDefense a heavy grip 300? I ordered one recently I’ll let you know if I get it, I still can’t close the COC 3 though, using the same method as you of only one hand, I’m less than a centimeter away some days.
@@miguelelanimal146 The HG300 that I have is between the 2.5 and 3.0. The other thing you can do is file a little off the inside of the grip so the 2.5 closes a little further. It makes a major difference. Good luck!
@@MokeTheGeniusDog great idea, what I did with the 2.5 I had was try to reduce the number of fingers I used but didn’t really progress fast enough, I managed to rep it with 3 fingers (4 if you count the thumb)
What's the rating of your coc2 ?
The same as every COC2 which I believe is 194lbs.
i am 17 years old boy and can grip 250lb
Congrats! I look forward to the day you come back to let me know you’ve closed a COC3!