Never was a thing, even when you bought a physical game, you bought a limited license to play that game with restrictions you didn't own it really unless it was FOSS.
That's true, but that's really only a technicality. You can talk about limited licences and all that, but at the end of the day, you bought a game and maybe some DLC, the corporation made their money, and everything moved along without all of this *_gAmEs aS a sErViCe_* BS.
@@carlost856 I've never understood this physical media not actually owning mentality. If you bought a DVD, the actual *physical* material, you could use that DVD on anything that could play a disc, because its *physical*. You can't legally make copies sure, but as long as you own a physical disc, you own the contents on it. Same with games, sure consoles were required for most games, but old DOS games could be installed on as many machines as long as you had the *physical* media to install it. Physical media and licensing are two seperate things. Saying you don't own the physical thing in your hands is ludicrous
The part about how this is literally going to destroy games, no exaggeration, is a message that isn't being repeated enough. If a company's business model lets them destroy customers' products after the point of sale, it should be illegal. Thanks to Jim for talking about this.
"w-we don't... we don't like to call them l-lootboxes" "WHATEVER TERM YOU WISH TO APPLY TO THEM, DO YOU CONSIDER THEM ETHICAL?" that guy is an absolute savage and needs to be appreciated
Australian politicians are much like British ones, only much more openly savage. Far more blunt, and rude. But you can totally see they're cut from the same cloth as the British ones.... Though, they've definitely become a bit more tame... I encourage everyone to go watch some highlight videos of Paul Keating. Especially parliament question time... That man was... Something else. XD
Oh, you think that was savage? Check out this question in the hearing.... parliamentlive.tv/event/index/0bf5f000-036e-4cee-be8e-c43c4a0879d4?in=15:49:09 "So, should we take it then that... The response of your company would be that... A government would have to make a ruling, and legislate against something before you will take action?" Guy is spot on.
It's funny that not even the head CEO used that term and not even the rest of the board on that meeting bought that. EA really doesn't know when to fold.
@@jolynekujobackfromprison744 Plus resale value for the second hand market. As there's a lot of us poor folk in the world, we need cheaper alternatives.
I stopped buying physical games when they stopped actually physically including the game. This was with the Orange Box back in 2008. (On PC. Consoles games took a couple more years to become unplayable out of the box.) If i'm worried about a game disapearing, I pirate it or back it up from gog.
As a collector, game streaming worries me for reasons that Proton Jon brought up on a stream a few weeks ago: I like having a physical copy of games. I know not everyone is in the same boat and I know it can be expensive to produce physical media in bulk, especially if you don't know how well it'll sell, but I look at games like Scott Pilgrim and I worry all the same.
Digital games are good too, just as long as you can easily transfer them to a new system when the one it is on dies. Game streaming where you never have the game on your hardware in the first place sounds terrible Also, I will give you an egg since you like Proton Jon
But cloud gaming brings convenience - you can play without any gaming GPU. And subscriptions brings convenience - if you not planing play a game multiple times paying 10$ for access to library is better deal that paying 40-60$ for game you finish after 20h and never open again. For me the only concern is (as Jim said in video) trust - especially for games sold out side subscription
What I got from that comparison is EA told us that these "suprise mechanics" they're selling us for $1-$100 is equivalent to the qualify of a HOLLOW chocolate egg with a hunk of plastic inside. Which is them just admitting how big of a scam loot boxes really are
@@CErra310 yes and no. They are illegal if they have toys inside the egg, most time the eggs from what I hear, is that they do not have a toy in them but im unsure.
I've heard horror stories of Australian Internet. Even the US's is bad, unless you live in a major city, and even then it's rife with temporary outages, inconsistancies, oh, and the isp security breaches. Ugh.
@@crit-c4637 We don't really have many outages, it's just really slow and made on dated technology. There was a plan for fibre-optic cables connected to every home, but someone got up and said it would be cheaper we connect the fibre optic cables into a node at the end of each street and run it through the old telephone copper into each home. The result? Millions were spent on having the exact same internet speed and will probably cost millions to fix.
@@connordarvall8482 ISPs like comcast throttle speeds of users during "peak" hours meaning for example if you pay for 30 up 30 down, you won't get what you apy for duing the times where you actually use it, no where even close. Sometimes it can actually be os bad that dialup from AOL on a 256k modem is objectively faster then the throttled speed... outages due happen but they are rare. The real problem is data caps. Every ISP has a set data cap for customers of about 4TB/month. Recently is was calculated that streaming a game at 4k 60FPS would use up a data cap of 4TB in about 56hours of play time, at which point depending upon your ISP, you will be cutoff completely, ultra throttled to 0.1MBPS, or upcharged for going over the cap several hundred dollars. and there are other shady things ISPs due with datacaps like have them shared between households in apartment buildings meaning 2-3 or more families are all limited by one 4TB data cap a month instead of the data cap being separate for each household within the apartment building. And yes, our network infrastructure is horrendous, especially in the southern states, where in some parts there is no broadband support at all. Just dialup or DSL. If the U.S isn't ready for an all digital future, no one is yet.
Yeah, if you give these companies an inch, they'll take a mile. That's why I wish DRM as a concept was illegal. But, that'd never happen, and even if by some miracle it did, all the game, film and music publishers would cry blue murder as if it's the end of the world or something. Which it isn't, because it's still possible to sell things without DRM, and making copies of something you don't own would still be illegal, but... Whatever. I've been burnt about a dozen times even by the weaksauce DRM that is built into steam, which is to say nothing of several other experiences I've had where I 'bought' something with the security info missing and both the publisher and service that sold it to me just giving me the endless runaround about it, feigning ignorance of what they'd done or something. There's something deeply wrong when the only way to get a legitimately purchased game running is to find a crack for it. (there's also a degree of irony when said 'crack' is actually just the EXE from an older release of the game that was sold DRM-free - that a company would put absurdly heavy-handed DRM on a game that's more than a decade old AND has previously sold with DRM-free copies is truly absurd.) Oh, and did I mention how much trouble I've had with blurays? No? Because I have. Long story short, Blurays are a disaster of heavy-handed DRM, online activation and other nonsense. Standalone players need internet connections. a Software based player on a PC is as likely to fail playing the content as not... For rather obvious reasons no simple open source playback methods exist, though you can attempt some really convoluted processes that require somehow extracting the security key off the disk using a demo version of a program that just by chance happens to store the keys temporarily in memory without encrypting them... Yeah... DRM needs to die in a fire. But, as I said, that's not going to happen, so... Here we are...
@@KuraIthys I feel your pain brother and having gone from a pirated version of a game (Deus EX Mankind Divided) to a legit version, I have come to despise Denuvo and this isn't the only instance where the pirated version has been the superior one.
The day that gaming consoles go digital streaming only, will be the day I stop playing modern video games. It will be a sad day indeed. I like to own my games, thank you very much.
@Dragon50275 ... yeah because pc isn't pretty much the same as console these days. I used to pc game until those fuckers at steam bought the monoploy in it. I trust them about as far as I can throw them. And now the epic store is even worse. Fuck gaming on a pc these days. My ps4 won't stop me playing games because steam decides I'm not allowed to.
Honestly I used to be anti piracy, just because "stealing is wrong". But these companies pull far worse shit on a much higher level, now it feels actually supporting it is more morally questionable than stealing it.
The DRM is what enraged gamers to get a DRM free version, the unavailability of video games (or in general, media, because, for example, TV shows can also disappear thanks to many are only available through cable subscriptions and not on a physical disk) is what caused activists to distribute abandonware. Really hope there is something called “digital preservation act”. Seeing how companies exploit the law to effectively destroy old works they mostly not making money off of, I feared that many gamers’s childhood memories are fading away. Something like a copyright enforcement periodic checks, since copyright last *far* longer than how long they would support their titles, it makes me think this can be improved that if they stop supporting it, would go public domain sooner. And also to preserve material should it be taken down by DMCA takedown notices or a lawsuit for infringing copyright; locked away offline at a government’s place (like a library of congress’s storage place) till it’s proven legal to distribute by if it was falsely taken down or entered the public domain.
im with you there. on top of that, i more often then not can get a physical copy for cheaper then on a digital store(not including steam because i buy all my PC games digitally, but fuck streaming games).
are those physical copy games that you need online connection? needs a 40gb one day patch to even get some of the features?...if yes., you dont own those games
it's better to pay a game 75$ and own it rather than paying 5$ monthly to play from a cloud stream. and i have not yet to mention that cloud streaming gaming is essentially the death of modding, imagine minecraft being subscribe to play and since you can't download it, you'll have to play it from cloud.
@@griplove EA and Trump certainly aren't very different in behavior really. So I can imagine them thinking that quote was fitting for their business if they ever wanted to make a THQNordic decision again.
If stream services ever become the norm with physical or digital downloads disappearing, I'll play video games while singing "Yo ho, Yo ho, a pirate's life for me."
@@kneesnap1041 if people have managed to make programs that download ROMs/isos from the official company servers, they'll probably manage to find a way to rip stream only games.
I paid $60 for an oil change, but turns out there was an additional $10 charge for them to actually put in a new oil filter. Thanks, Surprise Mechanic!
That's... scary accurate. It reminds me of my friend who recently bought a new car. Honda, if I'm not mistaken. If he doesn't want to lose varranty, he has to do checks every 6 months, only at Honda, way more often than required by law and way more expensive than checks at normal mechanic. And he has to pay for those checks. So he got literally a surprise mechanic.
In the end, the Pirates will be the Archivists... piracy will always remain... Oh, wait, it isn't Piracy! It's actually called "Surprise Discount", no?
You're not wrong. Games disappear forever all the time. Scott Pilgrim? Until Ubisoft removed the DRM you couldn't legally play Assassin's Creed 2 on PC for like four years.
Game Preservation is going to become a massive issue. This is what happens when people only view video games as a business and don't respect it as an artistic medium
Video Game Archiving. You hit the nail on the head with that. Companies like Square, and Sega have lost source codes to several games. Apparently Square doesn’t know where FF VIII source code is and the Panzer Dragoon Saga source code is long gone.
They aren't remaking it for the Switch it's on everything and they don't have the source code they're re-doing the game from scratch they had to do the same thing for Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 REmix because they lost the source code for Kingdom Hearts 1 thus had to re-do it all
Oh, a funny Konami thing: the source code for Beatmania 5th mix was used as dummy data in PS1's Beatmania Best Hits. So that source code isn't lost, it's just printed on EVERY SINGLE RELEASED COPY of that game. GG, Konami, you helpless dopes. Better there than lost, though.
By minute 4 all of this already sounds so horrifying and terrifying that I wanted to stop watching the video. Existential dread for our gaming is very, very real.
You mean: Gas bill Phone bill Water bill Internet bill Xbox live bill XCloud bill Xbox game pass build EA Elite bill Nexflix bill HBO bill Bethesda bill Konami bill Warner brother's bill ... and more.
and then wait till they package several of those together, pretending they're giving you a deal! Giving rise back to "cable packages" of old, but in Video Game, and Netflix/Streaming form.
I hope this will become a weekly thing. Jim's EA surprise mechanic skit. Basically just Jim smashing up some random shit screaming surprise at the beginning of each episode.
I know you're trying to poke fun of the "surprise mechanics" EA BS... But at this point, this is actually bloody true. The classic Castlevania games are not available for purchase or play, the ONLY way to play the classic Castlevania games now is to outright "pirate" them.
The Surprise Mechanic should always show up from odd locations. Around a corner, in a room, inside the chest cavity of what was once the game industry’s dignity, behind the couch. You know, keep it a surprise.
If games are to be preserved in the age of "live services" there NEEDS to be legislation to make it happen. There is just no other way. Ross Scott of Accursed Farms is fighting the good fight in this regard.
these days I find it more appropriate to say that companies are demanding you pay rather than offering you the chance to pay for another streaming inconvenience, not a service.
The surprise lawnmower should be "repaired" by the Surprise Mechanic.
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Jesus H Christ, I don't think I've ever heard a more skin crawling, corporate PR term than "surprise mechanics" I feel my throat constrict every time hear it.
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You just had to remind me of the Scott Pilgrim game, huh Jim? Yeah, I'm still aggravated after 5 years. The idea of not owning games you paid for is just gross. I never liked the idea of digital download only games or subscription services. Physical copies are not as convenient, but as long as I have the system and the game then I can play it.
@JimSterling as Accursed Farms proved quite conclusively: If you bought it and it's not a subscription, you're entitled by law (in the EU at least) for a refund. A perpetual license CANNOT be revoked by the issuer of the license.
EU may suck with their article 13 but it is just a small speck of filth in a ocean of amazing pro-costumer laws. Unfortunately, you won't know that until you need them.
There was no intro credits! I feel like I started a sneeze I can't finish. Jim, don't leave us unsatisfied! I can't wrap my head around the idea that that can be in your nature. Great video btw.
DancesWithMetroids I will do just like you for more than one reason : I don't have that kind of money but even if I did, I wouldn't give them the money, I'd much rather spend that hard earned cash somewhere else instead of contributing to the destruction of my favorite hobby. Since most people act like sheep, I can already tell this bullshit of live services is going to be a huge success just like Netflix and the rest and people like us, with a brain to see that they are being exploited are just gonna be a minority. What a shitty world we live in...
Your new car is missing pieces? By design? You need to pay for The Surprice Mechanic! A few times, actually. You never know what parts he will bring, and you don't really need 12 tires... Better call him again. Maybe he'll bring the coolant this time.
Some new cars don't even come with a regular paper manuals. Like thats going to help you out when your new shit breaks down and your phone's battery is drained.
Jim do you remember arcades? The original microtransaction/extreme-short-term-game-rental system. Looks like the grand experiment of game ownership is coming to an end. Back to dropping quarters into slots to play!
I will always buy the physical disc version whenever possible and if that format dies then my life as a gamer is over, when you bought a snes cart in the 90s it was YOURS, screw subscriptions and online only
I've bought physical copies since the atari 2600 days and I don't think I have a single physical copy of a game that I could play right now if I wanted to.
I do that when I really like a game, but frankly it's becoming a minefield nowadays. What with day zero patches, online activation, disks that don't contain the game at all, just the equivalent of an activation code... Yeah, buying physical media is not the safety net it should be, because even there, companies find a million different ways of fucking you over in a way that turns the physical media into little more than a glorified way of activating a download. Still, older systems are fairly safe. Probably explains why of the 9 consoles I own, 7 are from 2006 or earlier... And the two newer ones are a Wii U and Nintendo Switch... Because in this case, Nintendo being behind the curve on technological adoption actually works in my favour. Though... You still have to watch out for switch games from 3rd parties sometimes having major chunks of the game files missing. In this case because devs are cheapskates and didn't want to pay for a big enough cartridge... Blech.
Yeah, I just read online or just watch UA-cam most of the time now. maybe il jump on TF2 for an hour or 2 if I really have nothing better ATM but that's pretty much it. It's sad.
Stream a film, you can still record it. Stream a game, you will never keep it. Streaming exclusives are impossible to preserve because they will last only as long as the service providing them.
Tokyo Jungle is preserved on a physical copy of "Best of PlayStation Network Vol. 1", along with three other PSN games. I bought it just to have a backup to Tokyo Jungle in case shit like this ever happened.
Oh shit, I still have that on my PS3, I think. Haven't booted the old girl up in years besides to use as a Blu-Ray player, but the game should still be on there. Never was much good at it, but it was a fun time.
Scott Pilgrim vs The World: The Game. Losing access to that on my Xbox360 despite paying for it, and not getting any sort of compensation, as I had determined when I bought a game I could keep playing it....that...that shit pissed me off. That game was awesome.
Edit: wow, this comment really blew up. ._. I guess I'll add a few more thoughts to this under my original comment. The tech industry really hates the first sale doctrine. The subscription model mania going on now is just another way for them to circumvent it. It can be (and has been) proven that software is a good, not a service, and the first sale doctrine legally gives the consumer the right to do whatever they want with the product they buy. That's why they're so desperate to turn the medium into a service. This is the problem with digital distribution as a whole. Companies have no legal right to tell you what to do with the thing you buy or how you can use it, but they do it anyway hoping people won't do anything about it. It's just a ticking timebomb at this point. All it's going to take is for a company like Valve to go under and take Stream with it, and millions of people losing access to the games they legally purchased, and all hell will break loose. EDIT: EULA's are not legally binding and mean almost nothing in court if they are superseded by actual federal or state law. So Steam or Adobe or whoever saying you're only licensing is just them blowing smoke. In fact, this HAS been through the courts before, and there already IS a legal precedent. Amazon got sued for deleting book from people's kindle libraries that they had legally purchased, and they lost they suit. the fact remains: if you buy a game digitally, it is a good, not a service, and thus by the first sale doctrine, you OWN what you paid for, no exceptions. Furthermore, companies are not invincible. They can and will go under at some point. There's no such thing as "too big to fail". It will happen at some point. As for the "keep you games" part, that's another sticky area. A company like Valve *could* remove the DRM checks, but... *will they*? That's the issue. We can't trust them to make that decision in the best interests of their customers. If they just suddenly shuttered and liquidated, we'd all be up a creek.
@@enginelol Country laws overwrite EULAs. Therefore, if a EULA contradicts the legislation of the Country that you live, the law is right and the EULA is wrong. EULA are non enforced, non legal documents. They have no legal value in courts.
I can't tell you the number of times I jumped out of my seat because an auto-playing news vid started. Especially since they always seem to be really loud... =_=
No one has ever liked auto-playing news videos, but somehow Facebook duped the entire news industry into pivoting to video (which also involved gutting real investigative journalism) based on faulty data.
As somebody who lives in an area with very few internet options, there's no way the quality of internet speeds would support streaming. No way. I'd rather own my games physically, but maybe I'm in the minority here,
You are not. I struggle to download 50GB game on my my PS4. Game streaming is absolutely not an option. Also Jim didn't mention this about Stadia, but google tends to get rid of their failing products almost overnight. So there is a big chance that in 2 years, Stadia wouldn't exist anymore.
I said on another comment, 2Megabits download speed doesn't do very much. What I didn't mention was that a game 24GB will take me 3-4 days, and that's with me hogging all of the whole 2Mb. It annoys the other people in the house but this is the best we have. Would it be better if I had at least 1 full MegaByte to work with? Is that anything of an improvement?
You can live in a major city in the US and not have access to internet that would allow something like Stadia, or it might be ludicrously expensive. Where I live, a connection suitable for using Stadia would cost $160/month. It's not just speed that's an issue, most providers have caps that game streaming would slam into within a week.
Reminds me of the XBox 1's always-online requirement. You know, that titanic failure that arguably tanked the entire success of the console somewhat due to the raw disaster of its reveal, even long after they backtracked like sniveling corporate swine. That one. Where we had spokespeople going 'there's a console for you if your internet is shit! It's called the 360!!!' Like, make it /more/ blatant that you're leaving behind three-fourths of the entire human race or more, why don't you.
Imagine clothing brands had the same idea for your purchase of their product, you don't own the clothes you bought but are permitted to wear them for a limited time and must pay a fee. "Smart Clothes" or whatever are connected to the internet to help keep brands track your end of the bargain.
_Paws_ You might laugh but don't give them any ideas, that might be the next trend. After all people are sheeps and we already know that the majority of them are gonna fall for this shitty system and then, when something goes wrong, they'll wonder why it happened. I'm not a people person because casuals are partly responsible for the status quo of the gaming industry (microtransactions, season pass, lootboxes, I blame it on them, they have a huge responsability in this issue).
In a general sense, I think it can also affect game design. If you pay for the service and just choose from everything what you spend your time on, its not all that dissimilar from buying a phone and then choosing which free games to spend your time with. And in my option, the mobile gaming market seems to have cultivated game design elements that can charitably be described as irritations. "Stamina/energy" limitations, microtransactions/lootboxes, pay to win leanings, over reliance on randomization, rehashed and cheap to produce content, extending grinding to increase play time and incentivise paying around it ect ect ect. Once devs are fighting for your time in this enclosed space they start adding in mechanics to get hooks in you and keep you there. The more competitive that space becomes the more ruthless the psychology employed. And that doesn't always result in the best structure in terms of end use enjoyment of the actual player. Netflix is different because even a show like game of thrones or whatever has a finite run time, much shorter and more defined than a live service games play time. You can pretty quickly binge a show and start looking for recommendations for similar stuff while you are craving it. Whereas the next world of warcraft could be detrimental to anyone who is not that game that is on the same sub service. The concept of a backlog disappears, in terms of devs who actually got support for their next project from you purchases. The entire service becomes your backlog, essentially, but only the popular devs get paid.
@@gorgoneuryale8748 For stadia, sure, you can. But how many iterations are we away from that being as strange as "buying" a movie from netflix? I'm talking about when games reach that point of streaming subscriptions being quite normal.
Hey, do you have any advice? I want to seed my torrents, but I don’t wanna rick my ISP finding out that I’m seeding torrents and sending an email telling me to stop.
@@mynameisjack0618 Pay for a VPN. The free ones sell your data. I recommend TrustZone or NordVPN. They're not that expensive (TrustZone is only around $20 per year), but they're well worth it if you do a lot of torrenting.
Just like Ross Scott (from Game Dungeon and Freeman's Mind fame) said: Piracy is like bacteria. Some of it is harmful, but others are necessary for you to survive.
You talked about the Death Of The Game Ownership all the way back 4 years ago, and NOW this topic is more relevant more than ever these days. We dont buy the product... we buy the "license" for it. Piracy has never seen better light in this darkness then I ever could imagine.
Game ownership is why I'll always buy a game on GOG over any other PC platform and will even sometimes buy a game a second time when it's releases on GOG (to support the service). Because after you download the game, it is truly yours. You never NEED to connect to GOG galaxy again because you can run the exe directly; no DRM. In theory you can download every game you own on there to your PC or external drive and never risk it being removed from availability (like PT was or any old Marvel game) I'm actually in support of service type gaming (I have PS Now) as an option as long as it doesn't detract from game ownership options
Completely agreed. In fact, that's exactly what I do with all of my GoG games. I download every update that I can, and every EXE for a game and store it locally on my backup drive. If a game isn't on GoG I almost always just don't get it. Monster Hunter World was unfortunately my exception as I wanted to play it with some friends. Other than that though, that's been my mantra. And if it doesn't come to GoG after 2 or 3 years? Well, sorry, I just pirate the damn thing if I wanted to play it that bad. I just can't support the way Valve and Epic run things and the way the industry works at large.
@@desmondbrown5508 I agree with only waiting for GOG releases, but can't agree with pirating, as the creators have the right to release it on any platform. I only pirate if I own the game and the pirated version is superior or if it's no longer available for purchase It's like how I won't buy or pirate any Epic Games exclusive, and will either wait for a steam release, wait for Epic to not be garbage, or just never play it
Gog has some games with drm, but in general they only sell them without it. If you download their client your game need to run it before the game though but i guess it's because of the functionalities "the mask" add to the game. Gog is really the only decent digital distribution plataform in my book, i used to be a Steam fanboy but it changed since Valve droped the ball on curating the content that is sold through them.
@Bob Dole Not really. 1. Because technically if legally forced to Steam can delist a game and make it no longer playable with their client (like "Devotion" or "Deadpool"), and thus no longer playable at all. But they can't force you to uninstall a GOG game 2. DRM. Even offline games require you to access Steam's servers periodically to reauthenticate. It has happened to me that I didn't play a game for weeks then decided to on my laptop at a time where I didn't have wifi access and was blocked (must of have some timer for DRM checks). GOG is like 99% DRM free 3. If something should happen to the Steam servers or client that makes it not work on your PC or at all, you can't play the game. With GOG as long as you still have the installation files and exe and it works with your PC, you can play it regardless of GOG Galaxy or the fate of the company. 4. You can't share your games with friends. I don't believe in pirating but I have no problem sending a close friend or relative the EXE or even my GOG login credentials to download it. You can't send the exe with Steam and can't simultaneously play a game using one account (you'd have to take turns) 5. You can easily move a GOG game to an external drive offline, while Steam it may not work as the client could have trouble locating it and you'd have to redownload it to the external drive. Steam is more like having a liberal license to play the games. You don't own it or have the right to do what you want with it. GOG games don't need GOG, Steam games need Steam
Just look at streaming services for TV shows now. I don't know about everyone else but I sure don't have the money to sign up for like 10 different subscriptions just to watch the various shows I want to see. On the whole I just shrugged and gave up on TV altogether with the occasional yar har fiddle dee dee for things that I'm actually interested in.
This whole thing with shows sheltering off each to their own service is just going to bring back the eyepatches and swashbuckling hats en masse. I really can't wait for the gaming industry to have a second videogame crash. Nintendo would definitely stay afloat, because they're more about looking at their own buttons; and so far, it hasn't wronged them. ...unless you count the Virtual Boy and the Wii U.
@Chip Wiseman That's not the point. It like saying you don't like that particular artist or composer, so who cares if their draws/music sheets get lost. That's the wrong mind set.
I don't trust Google to stick with Stadia long enough for it to seriously change the game industry in any meaningful way. I remember when Google Fiber was going to be a thing here in NC and everyone was excited. Here we are years later and nothing has changed.
Here’s the thing about Google Fiber: They got cock-blocked by US ISP companies like Comcast and Time Warner. Cock-blocked to the point where lobbyists made it a problem. A better comparison would be Google Glass.
@@PHeMoX and Stadia is cheap enough that consoles that do ownership isn't absolutely screwed and as said, Google has to stick to it, it might become a 'Killed it' instead of the future.
Ehh, so long as the machine learning service of google is still up, they are sitting on a massive pile of potentially unused GPU's. I fear google is doing it long enough for a serious change in the game industry. And it won't be in your interests. The gaming PC is the last place where the original idea of the internet hasn't yet died We are back at the model of the old telephone companies: They own the hardware, the code, and our data. We are just here to pay. All the talk of "the internet will revolutionize the music, movies etc" have died down. Look at spotify, netflix, or even worse: Disney. We are back where we started. The internet is dead.
Pure Hatred At some point if a lot of your lawyers are in jail...either new lawyers won’t want to work for you or investors will stop giving you money. I’m okay with just keep putting them in prison for breaking the law. Even if the people at the top don’t wise up and resign in disgrace the company will go bankrupt defending their illegal practices and their assets will be sold cheaply to more deserving companies
That wasn't even the worst, that panel had a few others from other companies as well. The epic Rep got literally exposed as a liar on the stand by one of the politicians who had evidence. He asked him how someone got charged 1500 bucks in one of their games. The epic guy said that wasn't possible, the politician said he wasn't positing a hypothetical and that he was literally citing an incident that did happen. It was pretty hilarious.
I think this will crash the same as the subscription MMORPG market did. The fragmentation will make all the publishers/'platforms' earn very little. Only a few players will survive and devs will be very picky or revert to self publishing. Just give it 4-5 years.
Also it isn't 2006 like it was when mmo subscriptions lived in a bubble by themselves. We have subs for movie, TV, anime, manga, music, books and audio books. Each medium listed has multiple services all asking a separate montly fee. This whole sub thing is a bubble waiting to burst in the next few years and these numb skulls can't see this. All their doing is hastining the bubble burst.
Copyright Law itself is broken. That should be the target of our disgust. Make Copyright Law reasonable for the digital market and a lot of these problems go away. Start with reducing the duration of protection. Get it back to a sane 15 years or so and the problem with archiving goes away. Actually, that really is the biggest problem. I'm all for companies locking down their content with draconian measures if they're only allowed to do it for 15 years. After that the work goes into public domain unprotected. ...as it was a long time ago and should be again.
This also all ultimately boils down to lobbying. Copyright laws listing so insanely toward longer and longer protections stems from big companies, primarily Disney, who would stand to profit from longer copyright protections. they have the funds to lobby, while the consumers, the reason why copyright has an end point in the first place, just don't. As long as money is all it takes to throw your weight around in congress, things will just keep getting crazier.
Agree, i study copyrigths laws, it start to protect, the profit of book sellers, but in today world, because the holders of those properties are companies, and companies, dont want to inovate, or create something new. What they do they wanr, something they create, is their property forever, and ever, and not only that, as soon as they see something remotly similar to theirs, they attack it and destroy it. I am a lawyer ad when i study i can tell you is a mess and is extremly dumb, because nothing in that law, is to protect the orinigal creator, but to prtect the intrest of corporations
I bought about 5 games on Onlive. I was maybe one of the few that service actually worked really well for. I had a netbook I would game on with a ps3 controller. For the year or two I played it wasnt so bad. Finally was able to buy a gaming laptop and moved on happily. Was actually sad to see it go.
The death of second-hand sales is a similar strategy to that of the music industry. CDs longevity was a problem. First, the RIAA and similar organizations fought the concept of second-hand CD sales in courts and lost (to my knowledge, they didn't win in ANY major market countries). And later on, the music industry teamed up with big box stores and mass market retailers to get those new releases onto the shelves for ~$10 a shot, down from the $20 they had been a decade prior. This not only put a lot of first-sale independent music sellers out of business, but it put consumers in the mind of "well, if it's only $2-3 difference, and sometimes less, I might as well get this popular album from Best Buy or Target brand new instead of used at CDepot where it might be scratched". (CDepot survived, for those of you familiar with the reference.) This really gutted the second-hand sellers, and by devaluing the market, it meant a lot of them who stayed in business also got less and less good albums sold to them by customers, and more and more of the stuff they were already overstocked with, making many of them less attractive to customers. Then, after this, a lot of first-sale chains happily went back to the $18 Album. When the Big Box stores mostly/completely got out of CDs, and many more stores started going out of business, all the news stories started talking about Napster and the torrent sites like that was the only reason. Never once have I seen any responsible journalist mention the fact that the record labels got people used to $10 new release hits on CD, and then gradually started ramping the prices up to $15, $18, $25 an album. When the Harmony House chain in metro Detroit went under, it was all "piracy piracy piracy", with no mention of the fact that most of their new releases were $18, and that they were actually a really good source for certain genres of music which they were charging $25 for (admittedly, in part due to some of them being imports). But those inflated prices are what drove the college age kids to Napster and Soulseek and the Gnutella networks and private and public torrent trackers in the first place, so it's not like it's not something that came out of the blue. It turns out that the RIAA can't afford to win too many battles like that. Funny thing about those increased prices, they never started paying the artists better. It was typical for a music industry CEO to /personally/ make more money off a given CD if you bought it at Best Buy than the artist did, and if that doesn't sound like garbage to you, you need your head examined. So, the videogame industry is following some very familiar footprints. PS: I like my cable provider well enough (it's not Comcast or AT&T, obviously), but I don't want to depend on them that much for a videogame platform. Sure, I play multiplayer games where latency counts. But I've also got many single-player offline favourites (including a vast array of emulation platforms) that I can play even on those rare occasions when my provider is having some issue.
No, not really. The North American crash was caused largely by too much product of too little quality (Even Quaker Oats had a game). Having a large number of platforms has yet to crash the industry anywhere. Especially since most consoles and platforms are either known mostly in specific countries, or the fact that most consoles fail pretty hard. And there has been far, far more consoles than most people think.
@@RippahRooJizah while true, watching AVGN, he did cover how the 80s had tons of pong machines by different companies. The 80s appeared to be the dark age of gaming.
Actually, every time I hear about cloud gaming I'm asking myself "Wait, what about input lag induced by latency?". My guess is that publishers will try to convince people that having 60 ms input lag is normal, just like 30 FPS is normal.
@engineer99 Yeah, but we're talking about extra latency added on top of latency already present. Obviously, there's input latency in any control, and there's signal latency in the actual machines. But with cloud gaming, you take all that, and also add internet latency to everything, which can vary quite a lot depending on where you live and the quality of your connection.
@@theindiediary5950 i literally lose my internet for about 3 hours every single day and my average internet speed is 24mb per second....i do not ever plan on switching to always online platforms, i will happily download digital copies but thats as far as it goes
As soon as I saw the Scott Pilgrim Sprite in the thumbnail I knew that was going to be used as an example of a digital game rendered unplayable by being taken off of its digital store.
Make sure they don't bill you, I've had them send me 10 fee's for their "free" trials. Check your payment source to see if you've had a charge from them.
@@--Animal-- See, when that's happened to me, I always managed to cancel and then get the 'rest' of my money back. They might have changed that policy though, as I'd frequently pay for prime, get my 2 day shipping, then cancel the subscription and get all but 2 or 3 dollars back, making my shipping half cost.
@@Fryguystudios That's with video though, which isn't hard to do with a capture card cause the video is always the same. You can't capture the source code of a streamed game without actually hacking the server that the source code is on.
Wait for the wonderful bundles that ISPs will offer squishing your Hulu, Stadia, EA Access, Spotify and all the other trash into one neat package for only one exorbident fee!
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If Loot Boxes aren't loot boxes, but surprise mechanics, then Piracy isn't piracy, it's surprise discount.
Gave me a chuckle
A surprise digital acquisition
@@valiroime Unexpected donation :D
Surprise extended full demo
piracy, more like a free trial!
You kids aren't gonna believe this. But there was a day you would buy a thing. And you'd just have the thing.
*_B L A S P H E M Y_*
Never was a thing, even when you bought a physical game, you bought a limited license to play that game with restrictions you didn't own it really unless it was FOSS.
Haha nice troll, dude! "Buying the thing then having the thing.." lmao!
That's true, but that's really only a technicality. You can talk about limited licences and all that, but at the end of the day, you bought a game and maybe some DLC, the corporation made their money, and everything moved along without all of this *_gAmEs aS a sErViCe_* BS.
@@carlost856 I've never understood this physical media not actually owning mentality.
If you bought a DVD, the actual *physical* material, you could use that DVD on anything that could play a disc, because its *physical*. You can't legally make copies sure, but as long as you own a physical disc, you own the contents on it.
Same with games, sure consoles were required for most games, but old DOS games could be installed on as many machines as long as you had the *physical* media to install it.
Physical media and licensing are two seperate things.
Saying you don't own the physical thing in your hands is ludicrous
The part about how this is literally going to destroy games, no exaggeration, is a message that isn't being repeated enough. If a company's business model lets them destroy customers' products after the point of sale, it should be illegal. Thanks to Jim for talking about this.
When they destroy the archives they're objectively destroying gaming.
I was thinking about your GAAS video while watching this...
I had a feeling that you'd be here whenever one of your bugbears are mentioned, Ross.
Good to see you here, Ross. It's interesting how most of the people I watch for game reviews and commentary are united against GAAS.
its their games tho. They can do whatever they want with them.
"It's not murder, I'm surprising their brains with sunlight."
- Surprise Mechanic 2019
I was expecting the Chunky Grumbler to come back, but I'll take the Surprise Mechanic anyway.
"w-we don't... we don't like to call them l-lootboxes"
"WHATEVER TERM YOU WISH TO APPLY TO THEM, DO YOU CONSIDER THEM ETHICAL?"
that guy is an absolute savage and needs to be appreciated
British politicians are usually fun to watch.
Connor Oud I like their wigs
Australian politicians are much like British ones, only much more openly savage.
Far more blunt, and rude.
But you can totally see they're cut from the same cloth as the British ones....
Though, they've definitely become a bit more tame...
I encourage everyone to go watch some highlight videos of Paul Keating. Especially parliament question time...
That man was... Something else. XD
I wish we could elect him as president for the US honestly. Or any part of our government we need more people like him.
Oh, you think that was savage?
Check out this question in the hearing....
parliamentlive.tv/event/index/0bf5f000-036e-4cee-be8e-c43c4a0879d4?in=15:49:09
"So, should we take it then that...
The response of your company would be that...
A government would have to make a ruling, and legislate against something before you will take action?"
Guy is spot on.
"EA used surprise mechanic!"
"It hurt itself in its confusion"
@Mi Ke Pokemon*
Outstanding move.
It's funny that not even the head CEO used that term and not even the rest of the board on that meeting bought that. EA really doesn't know when to fold.
@Mi Ke
Do better research with games before making a joke because you just sounded stupid.
EA: "Game companies! You're my best friend! Until the world kills you instead! Gotta rob'em all! Gotta rob'em all! Game companies!"
I still prefer physical games and offline gameplay without fear of being kicked off or pay to play mechanics.
Same here, if physical copies of games ever stopped being made I would never buy a AAA game ever again.
I'm not a big fan of physical. After I finished the games they become useless pieces of plastic cause I'm never playing them again
@@doom3380 You are entitled to your opinion. Although, some of us like to go back to old games and have the satisfaction of owning a game forever.
@@jolynekujobackfromprison744 Plus resale value for the second hand market. As there's a lot of us poor folk in the world, we need cheaper alternatives.
I stopped buying physical games when they stopped actually physically including the game. This was with the Orange Box back in 2008. (On PC. Consoles games took a couple more years to become unplayable out of the box.)
If i'm worried about a game disapearing, I pirate it or back it up from gog.
As a collector, game streaming worries me for reasons that Proton Jon brought up on a stream a few weeks ago: I like having a physical copy of games. I know not everyone is in the same boat and I know it can be expensive to produce physical media in bulk, especially if you don't know how well it'll sell, but I look at games like Scott Pilgrim and I worry all the same.
Digital games are good too, just as long as you can easily transfer them to a new system when the one it is on dies. Game streaming where you never have the game on your hardware in the first place sounds terrible
Also, I will give you an egg since you like Proton Jon
The number one thing that kills piracy is convenience. When you take that away, piracy will rise once again.
Exactly! Its why nes and snes games are still pirated because Nintendo refuses to release them on a normal store with lower prices
But cloud gaming brings convenience - you can play without any gaming GPU.
And subscriptions brings convenience - if you not planing play a game multiple times paying 10$ for access to library is better deal that paying 40-60$ for game you finish after 20h and never open again.
For me the only concern is (as Jim said in video) trust - especially for games sold out side subscription
@@KerzacTransformed *Laughs in Trials of Mana*
yep! Steam "killed" piracy, now they brought it back to life
Nerdy Transformed Honestly pirating NES and SNES games aren’t even bad.
"I didn't rob him officer, it was a surprise shake down."
It was a surprise query of inventory.
It's not extortion America! It's just us taking your money because you didn't wear a seat belt... Under threat of kidnapping..
Involuntary donation to my wallet
Surprise Forceful Aquisition of Materials
@@poisondamage2182 Surprise struggle snuggle.
“do you consider lootboxes ethical, yes or no?”
EA: *_”KINDER EGGS”_*
What I got from that comparison is EA told us that these "suprise mechanics" they're selling us for $1-$100 is equivalent to the qualify of a HOLLOW chocolate egg with a hunk of plastic inside.
Which is them just admitting how big of a scam loot boxes really are
Aren't kinder eggs illegal in the US?
@@CErra310 yes and no.
They are illegal if they have toys inside the egg, most time the eggs from what I hear, is that they do not have a toy in them but im unsure.
@@CErra310 they used to be.. the brought them back after changing the packaging to eliminate a choking hazard.
Chris Good ol' America. Guns don't kill people, chocolate eggs do.
"It's actually quite ethical" -- said no one about anything actually ethical, ever.
Hitler said the Holocaust was ethical because minorities weren't people
it's like saying 'trust me,' or 'im not being racist but...' that implies that you're about to do something untrustworthy or racist
It's actually quite ethical to donate money to food banks. :)
if something is ethical, you don't need to tell people it's ethical.
@MrSotiredofnewyoutube wow.... you're so, absolutely astonishingly right!!! who did I think I was to question out GODS ar EA 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
As an Australian I feel compelled to say _fuck_ game streaming. May as well just _not_ sell games here.
Not looking forward to nation-based game quality and still being told to "get gud"
I've heard horror stories of Australian Internet. Even the US's is bad, unless you live in a major city, and even then it's rife with temporary outages, inconsistancies, oh, and the isp security breaches. Ugh.
@@crit-c4637 We don't really have many outages, it's just really slow and made on dated technology. There was a plan for fibre-optic cables connected to every home, but someone got up and said it would be cheaper we connect the fibre optic cables into a node at the end of each street and run it through the old telephone copper into each home. The result? Millions were spent on having the exact same internet speed and will probably cost millions to fix.
@@connordarvall8482 ISPs like comcast throttle speeds of users during "peak" hours meaning for example if you pay for 30 up 30 down, you won't get what you apy for duing the times where you actually use it, no where even close. Sometimes it can actually be os bad that dialup from AOL on a 256k modem is objectively faster then the throttled speed... outages due happen but they are rare. The real problem is data caps. Every ISP has a set data cap for customers of about 4TB/month. Recently is was calculated that streaming a game at 4k 60FPS would use up a data cap of 4TB in about 56hours of play time, at which point depending upon your ISP, you will be cutoff completely, ultra throttled to 0.1MBPS, or upcharged for going over the cap several hundred dollars. and there are other shady things ISPs due with datacaps like have them shared between households in apartment buildings meaning 2-3 or more families are all limited by one 4TB data cap a month instead of the data cap being separate for each household within the apartment building.
And yes, our network infrastructure is horrendous, especially in the southern states, where in some parts there is no broadband support at all. Just dialup or DSL. If the U.S isn't ready for an all digital future, no one is yet.
New Zealander here and I agree
This is why GOG is so good. As long as you have the offline installers backed up somewhere, you have them forever.
Yup, good guy GOG.
Igg is better
GOG is gold, GOG is life.
Yeah, if you give these companies an inch, they'll take a mile.
That's why I wish DRM as a concept was illegal. But, that'd never happen, and even if by some miracle it did, all the game, film and music publishers would cry blue murder as if it's the end of the world or something.
Which it isn't, because it's still possible to sell things without DRM, and making copies of something you don't own would still be illegal, but...
Whatever.
I've been burnt about a dozen times even by the weaksauce DRM that is built into steam, which is to say nothing of several other experiences I've had where I 'bought' something with the security info missing and both the publisher and service that sold it to me just giving me the endless runaround about it, feigning ignorance of what they'd done or something.
There's something deeply wrong when the only way to get a legitimately purchased game running is to find a crack for it.
(there's also a degree of irony when said 'crack' is actually just the EXE from an older release of the game that was sold DRM-free - that a company would put absurdly heavy-handed DRM on a game that's more than a decade old AND has previously sold with DRM-free copies is truly absurd.)
Oh, and did I mention how much trouble I've had with blurays? No? Because I have. Long story short, Blurays are a disaster of heavy-handed DRM, online activation and other nonsense.
Standalone players need internet connections. a Software based player on a PC is as likely to fail playing the content as not... For rather obvious reasons no simple open source playback methods exist, though you can attempt some really convoluted processes that require somehow extracting the security key off the disk using a demo version of a program that just by chance happens to store the keys temporarily in memory without encrypting them...
Yeah...
DRM needs to die in a fire.
But, as I said, that's not going to happen, so... Here we are...
@@KuraIthys I feel your pain brother and having gone from a pirated version of a game (Deus EX Mankind Divided) to a legit version, I have come to despise Denuvo and this isn't the only instance where the pirated version has been the superior one.
The day that gaming consoles go digital streaming only, will be the day I stop playing modern video games. It will be a sad day indeed. I like to own my games, thank you very much.
@Dragon50275 PS1 master race! Or maybe Retro Console master race!. Too much of PC requires internet downloads and always on servers.
No you wont. A lot of people used to say that about Netflix.
@Dragon50275 ... yeah because pc isn't pretty much the same as console these days. I used to pc game until those fuckers at steam bought the monoploy in it. I trust them about as far as I can throw them. And now the epic store is even worse. Fuck gaming on a pc these days. My ps4 won't stop me playing games because steam decides I'm not allowed to.
But you dont own the game. Sure u have the disc but they can just decide to shut down said game at a whim
You don't and haven't owned a game since pretty much the PS2 era, you own a license to play the game, not the game.
'Imagine a business where people give you money, and in return, you give them absolutely nothing.'
That already happened. Its called Craigslist.
camgirls?
Religion?
@@Commanderziff Nah, that gets peace of mind. At least, some people say so.
piracy is surprise game ownership, and it’s coming back with style.
Facts.
Fuck yeah. Just like when you don't find a movie you like in Netflix you pirate it. This is just what's going to happen with games
Just consider yourself "digitally renting" the game.
Honestly I used to be anti piracy, just because "stealing is wrong". But these companies pull far worse shit on a much higher level, now it feels actually supporting it is more morally questionable than stealing it.
The DRM is what enraged gamers to get a DRM free version, the unavailability of video games (or in general, media, because, for example, TV shows can also disappear thanks to many are only available through cable subscriptions and not on a physical disk) is what caused activists to distribute abandonware.
Really hope there is something called “digital preservation act”. Seeing how companies exploit the law to effectively destroy old works they mostly not making money off of, I feared that many gamers’s childhood memories are fading away.
Something like a copyright enforcement periodic checks, since copyright last *far* longer than how long they would support their titles, it makes me think this can be improved that if they stop supporting it, would go public domain sooner.
And also to preserve material should it be taken down by DMCA takedown notices or a lawsuit for infringing copyright; locked away offline at a government’s place (like a library of congress’s storage place) till it’s proven legal to distribute by if it was falsely taken down or entered the public domain.
It’s not pirating, it’s a surprise 100% discount!
Hell yeah it is
😂👍🏻
Clever use of internet mechanics!
Considering you also get to keep said game on your hard drive, it also seems like a better alternative to the current trend
I prefer to call it community media preservation
I will *never* give up on owning physical copies of video games.
Hell yeah!
Thank God for Jim and Thank God for Ross Scott for bringing this issue to light!
im with you there. on top of that, i more often then not can get a physical copy for cheaper then on a digital store(not including steam because i buy all my PC games digitally, but fuck streaming games).
Where I live, only physical copies sold are the cheap pirated stuff that cost $3.
Fuck me, right?
are those physical copy games that you need online connection? needs a 40gb one day patch to even get some of the features?...if yes., you dont own those games
Absolutely zero interest in a system like stadia. Truly hope it doesn’t become the future.
It seems like our wish has been granted. It is failing miserably, thank F*CK!! lol
@@doomslayer163 the xbox series x seems to he the same as stadia with streaming games and no physical disc compartment.
it's better to pay a game 75$ and own it rather than paying 5$ monthly to play from a cloud stream. and i have not yet to mention that cloud streaming gaming is essentially the death of modding, imagine minecraft being subscribe to play and since you can't download it, you'll have to play it from cloud.
I like their controller though, so second hand stuff it is!
*_I will build a paywall, and make customers pay for it!_*
Schol-R-LEA ;2 making gaming great again
EA make games great again lol fail
@@ingamingpc1634 More like
"E...A - Its in the Game!" - NOT!
Best comment lmao
@@griplove EA and Trump certainly aren't very different in behavior really. So I can imagine them thinking that quote was fitting for their business if they ever wanted to make a THQNordic decision again.
If stream services ever become the norm with physical or digital downloads disappearing,
I'll play video games while singing "Yo ho, Yo ho, a pirate's life for me."
Piracy won't be a thing anymore if nobody has the game files besides the streaming platform.
@@kneesnap1041 where there's a will, there's a way.
@@kneesnap1041 if people have managed to make programs that download ROMs/isos from the official company servers, they'll probably manage to find a way to rip stream only games.
Never fear matey, piracy always finds a way
@@nobodyinparticular9640 Maybe for some games, but the majority will not be possible to download like that.
I paid $60 for an oil change, but turns out there was an additional $10 charge for them to actually put in a new oil filter. Thanks, Surprise Mechanic!
Did you recently impregnate your girlfriend, because that joke was a "Dad level" joke. I appreciate that ;)
I hope you are in a position where you can take the rest of the day off and enjoy yourself because you deserve it after that one. Well done, you.
you win
I ordered life saving medicine I only received 1 shoe # suprise mechanic
That's... scary accurate.
It reminds me of my friend who recently bought a new car. Honda, if I'm not mistaken. If he doesn't want to lose varranty, he has to do checks every 6 months, only at Honda, way more often than required by law and way more expensive than checks at normal mechanic. And he has to pay for those checks. So he got literally a surprise mechanic.
In the end, the Pirates will be the Archivists... piracy will always remain...
Oh, wait, it isn't Piracy! It's actually called "Surprise Discount", no?
I prefer "Suprise demo extension."
Piracy is awesome........the ONLY WAY to get anything
@@megatron6713
Unless it's a developer you want to support ( mostly indie)
@@Skimmy404 key word support. If you buying from G2A, some indy Devs would prefer you to actually pirate the game.
Surprise distributions
Im not downlowding games iligaly No i am suprise archiving history :)
I started to do this last week, cause yeah, everything is going to vanish
Some of my purchased games actually play better hacked and compressed......why did these things not already come like this? Oh yeah, cause money smdh
illegally*
You're not wrong. Games disappear forever all the time. Scott Pilgrim? Until Ubisoft removed the DRM you couldn't legally play Assassin's Creed 2 on PC for like four years.
i'm not downloading roms No i am suprise archiving historian
Being paid solely for existing is literally the holy grail for a business
or the maffia.
It'd be a shame if anything were to happen to your game library, wouldn't it?
@@maximeteppe7627 at least the mafia does something in return
And what many of them believe they are entitled to and get offended when told otherwise.
@@SsnakeBite oh, you guys are talking about your failed marriages. I get it now. Ha!
Ah, I missed FucKonami News. Was more excited than I thought I'd be hearing, "Hit the lever!"
Everytime I see 200+ I already know what time it is. #FuckKonami
Game Preservation is going to become a massive issue. This is what happens when people only view video games as a business and don't respect it as an artistic medium
Video Game Archiving. You hit the nail on the head with that. Companies like Square, and Sega have lost source codes to several games. Apparently Square doesn’t know where FF VIII source code is and the Panzer Dragoon Saga source code is long gone.
They must have the FF VIII source code since theyre remaking it for switch.
Capcom's Mega Man Anniversary Collection for GBA got cancelled because they couldn't find the source code for Rockman World 1-5.
They aren't remaking it for the Switch it's on everything and they don't have the source code they're re-doing the game from scratch they had to do the same thing for Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 REmix because they lost the source code for Kingdom Hearts 1 thus had to re-do it all
That sucks, VIII is my fave, very worthy of the roman numeral; why couldn't they lose 7's code and let that bitch rest already lol.
Oh, a funny Konami thing: the source code for Beatmania 5th mix was used as dummy data in PS1's Beatmania Best Hits. So that source code isn't lost, it's just printed on EVERY SINGLE RELEASED COPY of that game. GG, Konami, you helpless dopes. Better there than lost, though.
"we-we dont call them-" " WHATEVER TERM YOU WISH TO APPLY TO THEM"
"Ya wee daft jobby"
You call it 37 stab wounds to the chest, I call it surprise acupuncture.
We call that the surprise ceasar where I'm from.
That wasn't murder - that was a surprise funeral.
Caaaaaarrrrrllllllll, that kills people.
Surprise hand cooking
You call it a stabbing. I call it clumsy unnecessary surgery.
I would literally rather NOT play video games than have to deal with this. I'll literally just go find a new hobby if this is what actually happens.
Well, there are always older games.
@@oliveruppenberg1994 indeed. I hardly ever buy new stuff.
By minute 4 all of this already sounds so horrifying and terrifying that I wanted to stop watching the video. Existential dread for our gaming is very, very real.
Same here, mate... same here...
I feel no fear. Only wrath.
Just when you think the train of horror has stopped... _Oh, hit the lever!_
@@GrayAndGrey Did you mean to say impotent rage?
we're headed towards a nice future.
Gas bill
Phone bill
Internet bill
Water Bill
Gaming bill
already a gaming bill you pay for internet but yet still need gold membership to play online. only reason i love my pc.
You mean:
Gas bill
Phone bill
Water bill
Internet bill
Xbox live bill
XCloud bill
Xbox game pass build
EA Elite bill
Nexflix bill
HBO bill
Bethesda bill
Konami bill
Warner brother's bill
... and more.
and then wait till they package several of those together, pretending they're giving you a deal! Giving rise back to "cable packages" of old, but in Video Game, and Netflix/Streaming form.
It's times like these that make me very eager to just pick up a Nintendo 64 and play WWF no mercy all day
You forgot death
Thank you for making me look like an idiot when I laughed out loud, on a crowded train platform, at the googly eyes on the Surprise Mechanic 😂😂
I didn't turn you into an idiot, I turned you into a surprise train chuckler!
@@JimSterling TIS THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING!
He caught me off guard too lol i hate laughing
I hope this will become a weekly thing. Jim's EA surprise mechanic skit. Basically just Jim smashing up some random shit screaming surprise at the beginning of each episode.
@@neat3468 It may overstay its welcome after a while, though
Pirates aren't thieves. They're cultural custodians for the preservation of online and offline computer and console games.
Well, we are both, aren't we? ^^
I know you're trying to poke fun of the "surprise mechanics" EA BS... But at this point, this is actually bloody true. The classic Castlevania games are not available for purchase or play, the ONLY way to play the classic Castlevania games now is to outright "pirate" them.
and in somecases abandoned software
Ironically enough, I don't want to give away my working thesis here, they often have the only existing copies of games.
Yeah no, they're thieves and its still stolen software.
The Surprise Mechanic should always show up from odd locations.
Around a corner, in a room, inside the chest cavity of what was once the game industry’s dignity, behind the couch.
You know, keep it a surprise.
Surprise Mechanic would be an awesome wrestler too
Surprise Mechanic Everywhere!
It'll be a surprise if we ever see him again! xD
If games are to be preserved in the age of "live services" there NEEDS to be legislation to make it happen. There is just no other way. Ross Scott of Accursed Farms is fighting the good fight in this regard.
That guy is pretty cool. Watched his video on the subject just the other day.
Thank God for Ross.
I'm so glad more people are discussing the problem with game longevity on an all-digital service.
Seriously, how many streaming services (non-video gaming included) do companies think people can afford? I got student loan debt goddammit!
these days I find it more appropriate to say that companies are demanding you pay rather than offering you the chance to pay for another streaming inconvenience, not a service.
*Jim trying to record a video*
Jims neighbour : *surprise lawn mower*
Jim: NANI
The surprise lawnmower should be "repaired" by the Surprise Mechanic.
Mississippi man beats neighbor to death with wrench
According to witnesses suspect was wearing a welding mask and shouting something about "surprise mechanics" and "lawnmowers"
Sounds like you need to go walk your dog and leave a few "surprise mechanics" in their lawn.
Lawn mower: *_let me sing you the song of my people_*
Maybe a nice surprise mechanic would be a unionized workplace?
Why isn't this pinned?
@Bob Bobbertson Like your opinion of unions being crooks? Maybe think before you put your ideas out here.
@Bob Bobbertson Sounds to me like you're already part of a union, bub. I mean, a surprise mechanic!
Jesus H Christ, I don't think I've ever heard a more skin crawling, corporate PR term than "surprise mechanics" I feel my throat constrict every time hear it.
Your throat isn't constricting. You're just having a surprise asphyxiation.
That's because they try to shove their wrinkled dicks into our mouths so deep it bursts out the back of our skulls.
@@MisteRRYouTuby Oh it is? Well that just fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine! Thanks for all health advice EA.
Oh god, there's a terrifying concept, EA medicine.
@@samwatson-tayler2805 Meh. Just another Big Pharma company bleeding the poor. No surprise there...
@@samwatson-tayler2805 So the entire American healthcare system except Obama Care?
You just had to remind me of the Scott Pilgrim game, huh Jim? Yeah, I'm still aggravated after 5 years.
The idea of not owning games you paid for is just gross. I never liked the idea of digital download only games or subscription services. Physical copies are not as convenient, but as long as I have the system and the game then I can play it.
@JimSterling as Accursed Farms proved quite conclusively: If you bought it and it's not a subscription, you're entitled by law (in the EU at least) for a refund. A perpetual license CANNOT be revoked by the issuer of the license.
Damn the EU and their pro-consumer laws!
Isn't the extremely easy fix for that just to structure the licence so that it's not perpetual and not a subscription?
EU may suck with their article 13 but it is just a small speck of filth in a ocean of amazing pro-costumer laws. Unfortunately, you won't know that until you need them.
So that explains why EU is getting the short end of the stick when it comes to video game localization
That's a great video, and Jim has mentioned it in his previous videos.
There was no intro credits! I feel like I started a sneeze I can't finish.
Jim, don't leave us unsatisfied! I can't wrap my head around the idea that that can be in your nature.
Great video btw.
And now for something political.
It's not deportation
*IT'S A SURPRISE VACATION*
Thats were daddy went.....
At least the kids are in safely in a concentration camp with no beds or toothbrushes... or hope of ever seeing their parents again =(
@@steffanshurkin1123 w0t
Lol yea fuck em
@@DrStealthbug Have you not heard of ICE?
Rule of Acquisition #99: "Trust is the greatest liability of all."
yay! someone remembers!
The day games become digital only is the day I stop buying new games. I refuse to be milked and manipulated like this.
respect.
☠️
I hope many others are ready to do this, too. Because this is the ONLY way things would change.
Stop just GIVING money away people.
DancesWithMetroids I will do just like you for more than one reason : I don't have that kind of money but even if I did, I wouldn't give them the money, I'd much rather spend that hard earned cash somewhere else instead of contributing to the destruction of my favorite hobby. Since most people act like sheep, I can already tell this bullshit of live services is going to be a huge success just like Netflix and the rest and people like us, with a brain to see that they are being exploited are just gonna be a minority. What a shitty world we live in...
There are plenty of digital only games that don’t manipulate you. Go on GOG.
Your new car is missing pieces? By design? You need to pay for The Surprice Mechanic! A few times, actually.
You never know what parts he will bring, and you don't really need 12 tires...
Better call him again.
Maybe he'll bring the coolant this time.
Ha! Nice!
Some new cars don't even come with a regular paper manuals. Like thats going to help you out when your new shit breaks down and your phone's battery is drained.
Jim do you remember arcades? The original microtransaction/extreme-short-term-game-rental system. Looks like the grand experiment of game ownership is coming to an end. Back to dropping quarters into slots to play!
And now you can do it from the comfort of your own home!
I was thinking the same thing... That this is just a home arcade with a subscription.... "#Progress"
Anytime Big Brother Google is involved in anything,
IT SPELLS TROUBLE.
Your one millimeter away from google pressing the “delete account” button
And involves being evil!
Right here in River City!
I will always buy the physical disc version whenever possible and if that format dies then my life as a gamer is over, when you bought a snes cart in the 90s it was YOURS, screw subscriptions and online only
Maybe your actual life will be over before that happens.
Ive not seen a pc with a disk drive for like 6 years
I've bought physical copies since the atari 2600 days and I don't think I have a single physical copy of a game that I could play right now if I wanted to.
I do that when I really like a game, but frankly it's becoming a minefield nowadays.
What with day zero patches, online activation, disks that don't contain the game at all, just the equivalent of an activation code...
Yeah, buying physical media is not the safety net it should be, because even there, companies find a million different ways of fucking you over in a way that turns the physical media into little more than a glorified way of activating a download.
Still, older systems are fairly safe.
Probably explains why of the 9 consoles I own, 7 are from 2006 or earlier...
And the two newer ones are a Wii U and Nintendo Switch...
Because in this case, Nintendo being behind the curve on technological adoption actually works in my favour.
Though... You still have to watch out for switch games from 3rd parties sometimes having major chunks of the game files missing.
In this case because devs are cheapskates and didn't want to pay for a big enough cartridge...
Blech.
deathdealer036 subscriptions are a good alternative for people who cant keep dishing out 30-60$ on discs for every game
I only just noticed but I'm playing games less and less and it's pretty obvious why
Is it because they're becoming less fun or because they're becoming more expensive to enjoy?
@@kujiko88 - Why not both?
Definitely both
Me too, and I couldn’t figure out why. Thank you for putting it into words for me
Yeah, I just read online or just watch UA-cam most of the time now. maybe il jump on TF2 for an hour or 2 if I really have nothing better ATM but that's pretty much it. It's sad.
"First of all we don't call them loot boxes-"
"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU CALL THEM"
When I read this, my first instinct was to hear it in The Rock's voice... and then I saw your name and laughed
Stream a film, you can still record it. Stream a game, you will never keep it. Streaming exclusives are impossible to preserve because they will last only as long as the service providing them.
Anyone remember the PS3 game Tokyo Jungle?
I miss being able to fight dinosaurs as a Pomeranian...
Ah shit I forgot about that, wish I could play
That's playable on RPCS3 emulator and it works very well.
I loved that game! Glad I bought it while I could!
Tokyo Jungle is preserved on a physical copy of "Best of PlayStation Network Vol. 1", along with three other PSN games. I bought it just to have a backup to Tokyo Jungle in case shit like this ever happened.
Oh shit, I still have that on my PS3, I think. Haven't booted the old girl up in years besides to use as a Blu-Ray player, but the game should still be on there. Never was much good at it, but it was a fun time.
Scott Pilgrim vs The World: The Game. Losing access to that on my Xbox360 despite paying for it, and not getting any sort of compensation, as I had determined when I bought a game I could keep playing it....that...that shit pissed me off.
That game was awesome.
Fucking AMEN!
wait WHAT!?
did you have it downloaded and you still couldn't play it?
It was great! I'm so angry. Same with Castle Crashers!
Really overselling a bog standard pixel-art beat em up.
@@jackgarcia5926 that's not the point though
Edit: wow, this comment really blew up. ._. I guess I'll add a few more thoughts to this under my original comment.
The tech industry really hates the first sale doctrine. The subscription model mania going on now is just another way for them to circumvent it. It can be (and has been) proven that software is a good, not a service, and the first sale doctrine legally gives the consumer the right to do whatever they want with the product they buy. That's why they're so desperate to turn the medium into a service.
This is the problem with digital distribution as a whole. Companies have no legal right to tell you what to do with the thing you buy or how you can use it, but they do it anyway hoping people won't do anything about it. It's just a ticking timebomb at this point. All it's going to take is for a company like Valve to go under and take Stream with it, and millions of people losing access to the games they legally purchased, and all hell will break loose.
EDIT: EULA's are not legally binding and mean almost nothing in court if they are superseded by actual federal or state law. So Steam or Adobe or whoever saying you're only licensing is just them blowing smoke. In fact, this HAS been through the courts before, and there already IS a legal precedent. Amazon got sued for deleting book from people's kindle libraries that they had legally purchased, and they lost they suit. the fact remains: if you buy a game digitally, it is a good, not a service, and thus by the first sale doctrine, you OWN what you paid for, no exceptions.
Furthermore, companies are not invincible. They can and will go under at some point. There's no such thing as "too big to fail". It will happen at some point. As for the "keep you games" part, that's another sticky area. A company like Valve *could* remove the DRM checks, but... *will they*? That's the issue. We can't trust them to make that decision in the best interests of their customers. If they just suddenly shuttered and liquidated, we'd all be up a creek.
in the steam EULA it says you don't own the games, you buy a license.
@@enginelol Country laws overwrite EULAs. Therefore, if a EULA contradicts the legislation of the Country that you live, the law is right and the EULA is wrong. EULA are non enforced, non legal documents. They have no legal value in courts.
@@enginelol EULAs don't supercede law. Ever. Period.
Valve can't go under. And the games on steam are yours
@@pinkguy5537 Cept' Valve is a company, thus they can go under. Like, every, other..company? They aren't invincible ya'know.
This just sounds like the time Xbox wanted to get rid of physical discs.
"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?".jpeg
Finally, someone talking about Stadia and costing of subs within subs. Thx Jim.
This is why Piracy and Emulation exists and this is why we must protect those two things.
Without piracy no preservation
@@webbie7503 Just remember to back them up every 5 years.
www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/do-burned-cds-and-dvds-have-a-shelf-life-327942/
i sure hope to see a cameo from the surprise mechanic with every Loot box topic.
Dont let me down, Sterling.
A cameo every time lootboxes are bought up? I’d like that. I like surprise mechanic (Jim's Surprise mechanic not EA’s).
I cant clap loud enough at this comment
Juicy Smolet burger what?!
"Stuck at 1080p" Am I the only person who is absolutely fine with 1080p? Like... That's pretty good. x_x
Hell yeah!!
So I'm not the only one who hates the auto-playing news videos.
*_Everyone_* hates the auto-playing news videos.
I can't tell you the number of times I jumped out of my seat because an auto-playing news vid started. Especially since they always seem to be really loud... =_=
No one has ever liked auto-playing news videos, but somehow Facebook duped the entire news industry into pivoting to video (which also involved gutting real investigative journalism) based on faulty data.
Yeah, i'm sure everyone sane hates those fucking things, thankfully, ad blocker stopped that shit for me.
Auto-playing ads are a crime against humanity.
As somebody who lives in an area with very few internet options, there's no way the quality of internet speeds would support streaming. No way. I'd rather own my games physically, but maybe I'm in the minority here,
You are not. I struggle to download 50GB game on my my PS4. Game streaming is absolutely not an option.
Also Jim didn't mention this about Stadia, but google tends to get rid of their failing products almost overnight. So there is a big chance that in 2 years, Stadia wouldn't exist anymore.
You're not in the minority
I said on another comment, 2Megabits download speed doesn't do very much. What I didn't mention was that a game 24GB will take me 3-4 days, and that's with me hogging all of the whole 2Mb. It annoys the other people in the house but this is the best we have.
Would it be better if I had at least 1 full MegaByte to work with? Is that anything of an improvement?
You can live in a major city in the US and not have access to internet that would allow something like Stadia, or it might be ludicrously expensive. Where I live, a connection suitable for using Stadia would cost $160/month. It's not just speed that's an issue, most providers have caps that game streaming would slam into within a week.
Reminds me of the XBox 1's always-online requirement. You know, that titanic failure that arguably tanked the entire success of the console somewhat due to the raw disaster of its reveal, even long after they backtracked like sniveling corporate swine. That one. Where we had spokespeople going 'there's a console for you if your internet is shit! It's called the 360!!!' Like, make it /more/ blatant that you're leaving behind three-fourths of the entire human race or more, why don't you.
Imagine clothing brands had the same idea for your purchase of their product, you don't own the clothes you bought but are permitted to wear them for a limited time and must pay a fee. "Smart Clothes" or whatever are connected to the internet to help keep brands track your end of the bargain.
Tom Haverford's "Rent-A-Swag".
stop giving them ideas jfc
_Paws_ You might laugh but don't give them any ideas, that might be the next trend. After all people are sheeps and we already know that the majority of them are gonna fall for this shitty system and then, when something goes wrong, they'll wonder why it happened. I'm not a people person because casuals are partly responsible for the status quo of the gaming industry (microtransactions, season pass, lootboxes, I blame it on them, they have a huge responsability in this issue).
@@Heroinedown You just desrcibed why democracy doesnt work
AND here Is capitalism biggest dream right here
and that's why i love physical copies. yet i know people laughing at me 'cause i still have cds and a cd reader in my pc to handle my old copies.
“Surprise Mechanics,” is like taking a baseball bat to my teeth and telling me it’s “surprise dentistry.”
Suprise makeover.
At work we call it free dental. And it’s usually a large piece of steel or aluminum... bats will work too.
@Jeremy Vanauken You have just made my day! Thank you!
In a general sense, I think it can also affect game design. If you pay for the service and just choose from everything what you spend your time on, its not all that dissimilar from buying a phone and then choosing which free games to spend your time with. And in my option, the mobile gaming market seems to have cultivated game design elements that can charitably be described as irritations. "Stamina/energy" limitations, microtransactions/lootboxes, pay to win leanings, over reliance on randomization, rehashed and cheap to produce content, extending grinding to increase play time and incentivise paying around it ect ect ect.
Once devs are fighting for your time in this enclosed space they start adding in mechanics to get hooks in you and keep you there. The more competitive that space becomes the more ruthless the psychology employed. And that doesn't always result in the best structure in terms of end use enjoyment of the actual player. Netflix is different because even a show like game of thrones or whatever has a finite run time, much shorter and more defined than a live service games play time. You can pretty quickly binge a show and start looking for recommendations for similar stuff while you are craving it. Whereas the next world of warcraft could be detrimental to anyone who is not that game that is on the same sub service. The concept of a backlog disappears, in terms of devs who actually got support for their next project from you purchases. The entire service becomes your backlog, essentially, but only the popular devs get paid.
@@gorgoneuryale8748
For stadia, sure, you can. But how many iterations are we away from that being as strange as "buying" a movie from netflix? I'm talking about when games reach that point of streaming subscriptions being quite normal.
@@R0B1NG5 UA-cam actually does that tho...
@@R0B1NG5 Your point scares me. This could be gaming future I dont want
I am highly receptive to what we just call the 'Netflix Model of Gaming,' if only the industry would implement it.
I think this point is moot, because developers are already doing this. I don't see subscriptions fundamentally changing the situation.
They have been trying to take ownership of stuff away from customers forever. Apple is a good example of this.
I'd rather not have any of the clutter. I moved away from bluray discs and now have a complete online video collection and it's awesome.
good for you shit-handle. What does that have to do with the rest of us?
@@PatrickBooth ...for now....
Imagine if every death in Sekiro costs $1 to revive
Activision: Damn, we missed that one
Otakamerd yes! Now that’s what I call pride and accomplishment!
I hear they had entire rooms and buildings full of those in the 80's.
Junambo QCG using those didn’t cost you $60 initially though
Remember kids: be a pal, seed your torrents.
Seed at least twice as much as you download. (Unlimited seeders are braver than the troops.)
Hey, do you have any advice? I want to seed my torrents, but I don’t wanna rick my ISP finding out that I’m seeding torrents and sending an email telling me to stop.
I have no idea what you just said.
@@mynameisjack0618 Pay for a VPN. The free ones sell your data. I recommend TrustZone or NordVPN. They're not that expensive (TrustZone is only around $20 per year), but they're well worth it if you do a lot of torrenting.
I once broke a computer having it just run 24/7 as a seeding machine, took almost a year though and only the PSU was actually broken.
If publishers require me to pay monthly fees to play their games, then I will no longer play their games.
Yeah Uplay more like Upay
I personally don't ever see a time where they won't let you buy a game by itself. Physical copies are a different story of course but yeah.
I'll still play their games, I just won't pay for them.
The point where piracy is the cure, not the issue.
Piracy was never an issue, it was more of a dick move at best, but now it might actually be justifiable
If the industry goes full on Streaming how are you going to pirate it?
@@NormanReaddis it wont go 100% streaming for at least a few years so we have time to figure something out
@@NormanReaddis well, pirate is usually done via alternate sites that aren't tied to a paywall (some are but I assume most people dont use those)
Just like Ross Scott (from Game Dungeon and Freeman's Mind fame) said: Piracy is like bacteria. Some of it is harmful, but others are necessary for you to survive.
You talked about the Death Of The Game Ownership all the way back 4 years ago, and NOW this topic is more relevant more than ever these days. We dont buy the product... we buy the "license" for it.
Piracy has never seen better light in this darkness then I ever could imagine.
"WHEN I DO THIS TO OLD PEOPLE IN THE PARK, ITS NOT MURDER, I'M SURPRISING THEIR BRAINS, WITH SUNLIGHT"
Oh cool, you watched the video. Thanks for letting us know.
Game ownership is why I'll always buy a game on GOG over any other PC platform and will even sometimes buy a game a second time when it's releases on GOG (to support the service).
Because after you download the game, it is truly yours. You never NEED to connect to GOG galaxy again because you can run the exe directly; no DRM.
In theory you can download every game you own on there to your PC or external drive and never risk it being removed from availability (like PT was or any old Marvel game)
I'm actually in support of service type gaming (I have PS Now) as an option as long as it doesn't detract from game ownership options
Completely agreed. In fact, that's exactly what I do with all of my GoG games. I download every update that I can, and every EXE for a game and store it locally on my backup drive. If a game isn't on GoG I almost always just don't get it. Monster Hunter World was unfortunately my exception as I wanted to play it with some friends. Other than that though, that's been my mantra. And if it doesn't come to GoG after 2 or 3 years? Well, sorry, I just pirate the damn thing if I wanted to play it that bad. I just can't support the way Valve and Epic run things and the way the industry works at large.
@@desmondbrown5508 I agree with only waiting for GOG releases, but can't agree with pirating, as the creators have the right to release it on any platform.
I only pirate if I own the game and the pirated version is superior or if it's no longer available for purchase
It's like how I won't buy or pirate any Epic Games exclusive, and will either wait for a steam release, wait for Epic to not be garbage, or just never play it
Gog has some games with drm, but in general they only sell them without it.
If you download their client your game need to run it before the game though but i guess it's because of the functionalities "the mask" add to the game.
Gog is really the only decent digital distribution plataform in my book, i used to be a Steam fanboy but it changed since Valve droped the ball on curating the content that is sold through them.
@Bob Dole No you don't. You only "own it" so long as Valve allows you to and you can't save an offline executable that has no DRM.
@Bob Dole Not really.
1. Because technically if legally forced to Steam can delist a game and make it no longer playable with their client (like "Devotion" or "Deadpool"), and thus no longer playable at all. But they can't force you to uninstall a GOG game
2. DRM. Even offline games require you to access Steam's servers periodically to reauthenticate. It has happened to me that I didn't play a game for weeks then decided to on my laptop at a time where I didn't have wifi access and was blocked (must of have some timer for DRM checks). GOG is like 99% DRM free
3. If something should happen to the Steam servers or client that makes it not work on your PC or at all, you can't play the game. With GOG as long as you still have the installation files and exe and it works with your PC, you can play it regardless of GOG Galaxy or the fate of the company.
4. You can't share your games with friends. I don't believe in pirating but I have no problem sending a close friend or relative the EXE or even my GOG login credentials to download it. You can't send the exe with Steam and can't simultaneously play a game using one account (you'd have to take turns)
5. You can easily move a GOG game to an external drive offline, while Steam it may not work as the client could have trouble locating it and you'd have to redownload it to the external drive.
Steam is more like having a liberal license to play the games. You don't own it or have the right to do what you want with it. GOG games don't need GOG, Steam games need Steam
You know it's going to be a good day when a video is tagged as #FucKonami
What can i say konami love to shove its middle finger right up its ass
I'm getting Bloodstained tomorrow and knowing that little #FucKonami easter eggs are here and there just makes me more hyped.
OOOOoooohhhh...
Fuck Konami!!
HIT THE LEVER!
The music he puts on it makes me laugh everytime honestly harder than HIT THE LEVER
(which i misspelt as LEVEL)
Just look at streaming services for TV shows now. I don't know about everyone else but I sure don't have the money to sign up for like 10 different subscriptions just to watch the various shows I want to see. On the whole I just shrugged and gave up on TV altogether with the occasional yar har fiddle dee dee for things that I'm actually interested in.
This whole thing with shows sheltering off each to their own service is just going to bring back the eyepatches and swashbuckling hats en masse.
I really can't wait for the gaming industry to have a second videogame crash. Nintendo would definitely stay afloat, because they're more about looking at their own buttons; and so far, it hasn't wronged them.
...unless you count the Virtual Boy and the Wii U.
I absolutely agree.
"The occasional yar har fiddle dee dee" Is my new term for describing piracy of any sort.
Same. I ain't gonna pay for different subscriptions. I just go the pirate way. Besides it helps me dodge trash like the season 8 of GoT
Online watching (i.e. obsure priate sites) is the way to go.
Stealing from thives is not a crime.
Hence I suppost game piracy, it's saved several games. Including LEGO Lord of the Rings.
@Chip Wiseman yes, so did Lego The Hobbit
@Chip Wiseman That's not the point. It like saying you don't like that particular artist or composer, so who cares if their draws/music sheets get lost. That's the wrong mind set.
@Chip Wiseman fuck you, that game is awesome ! its one of the best lego games
We do not call it game piracy. We call them “surprise sales”
@Chip Wiseman I wasn't upset :) Sadly comments can't express as much as voice
I don't trust Google to stick with Stadia long enough for it to seriously change the game industry in any meaningful way. I remember when Google Fiber was going to be a thing here in NC and everyone was excited. Here we are years later and nothing has changed.
Here’s the thing about Google Fiber:
They got cock-blocked by US ISP companies like Comcast and Time Warner. Cock-blocked to the point where lobbyists made it a problem.
A better comparison would be Google Glass.
Gaming streaming is not the future anyway. The physical limitations are still present, regardless of whatever marketing they will spin.
@@PHeMoX you dont live in or near a big city your internet is often....shit for lack of a better word
@@PHeMoX and Stadia is cheap enough that consoles that do ownership isn't absolutely screwed and as said, Google has to stick to it, it might become a 'Killed it' instead of the future.
Ehh, so long as the machine learning service of google is still up, they are sitting on a massive pile of potentially unused GPU's. I fear google is doing it long enough for a serious change in the game industry. And it won't be in your interests. The gaming PC is the last place where the original idea of the internet hasn't yet died
We are back at the model of the old telephone companies: They own the hardware, the code, and our data. We are just here to pay. All the talk of "the internet will revolutionize the music, movies etc" have died down. Look at spotify, netflix, or even worse: Disney. We are back where we started. The internet is dead.
That EA shill who lied to the UK governing body should be fined and put in jail for perjury.
EA will just hire another one. To kill a snake, cut off its head, not its teeth.
Meybe they find some mean things he said on the internet once.
Pure Hatred At some point if a lot of your lawyers are in jail...either new lawyers won’t want to work for you or investors will stop giving you money. I’m okay with just keep putting them in prison for breaking the law. Even if the people at the top don’t wise up and resign in disgrace the company will go bankrupt defending their illegal practices and their assets will be sold cheaply to more deserving companies
That wasn't even the worst, that panel had a few others from other companies as well. The epic Rep got literally exposed as a liar on the stand by one of the politicians who had evidence. He asked him how someone got charged 1500 bucks in one of their games. The epic guy said that wasn't possible, the politician said he wasn't positing a hypothetical and that he was literally citing an incident that did happen. It was pretty hilarious.
Surprise mechanic is my new favorite Jim sterling character!
I think this will crash the same as the subscription MMORPG market did. The fragmentation will make all the publishers/'platforms' earn very little. Only a few players will survive and devs will be very picky or revert to self publishing. Just give it 4-5 years.
Also it isn't 2006 like it was when mmo subscriptions lived in a bubble by themselves. We have subs for movie, TV, anime, manga, music, books and audio books. Each medium listed has multiple services all asking a separate montly fee. This whole sub thing is a bubble waiting to burst in the next few years and these numb skulls can't see this. All their doing is hastining the bubble burst.
@@devilmikey00 Boy, I sure do love spending hundreds of dollars just so I can gain access to all my media for another month
@@ACBGames your media? LOL!? Not if Daddy Games says so.
Copyright Law itself is broken. That should be the target of our disgust. Make Copyright Law reasonable for the digital market and a lot of these problems go away.
Start with reducing the duration of protection. Get it back to a sane 15 years or so and the problem with archiving goes away.
Actually, that really is the biggest problem. I'm all for companies locking down their content with draconian measures if they're only allowed to do it for 15 years. After that the work goes into public domain unprotected.
...as it was a long time ago and should be again.
What is it now? The life of the author plus like eighty years? That's not reasonable.
This also all ultimately boils down to lobbying. Copyright laws listing so insanely toward longer and longer protections stems from big companies, primarily Disney, who would stand to profit from longer copyright protections. they have the funds to lobby, while the consumers, the reason why copyright has an end point in the first place, just don't. As long as money is all it takes to throw your weight around in congress, things will just keep getting crazier.
But if we make copyright laws reasonable and fair, how are game companies (among others) going to abuse it to silence critics and dissenters?
#FuckDisney
Agree, i study copyrigths laws, it start to protect, the profit of book sellers, but in today world, because the holders of those properties are companies, and companies, dont want to inovate, or create something new.
What they do they wanr, something they create, is their property forever, and ever, and not only that, as soon as they see something remotly similar to theirs, they attack it and destroy it.
I am a lawyer ad when i study i can tell you is a mess and is extremly dumb, because nothing in that law, is to protect the orinigal creator, but to prtect the intrest of corporations
On Trust and Stadia:
Where are the games we bought on OnLive?
You bought games on OnLive?
I bought about 5 games on Onlive. I was maybe one of the few that service actually worked really well for. I had a netbook I would game on with a ps3 controller. For the year or two I played it wasnt so bad. Finally was able to buy a gaming laptop and moved on happily. Was actually sad to see it go.
The death of second-hand sales is a similar strategy to that of the music industry. CDs longevity was a problem. First, the RIAA and similar organizations fought the concept of second-hand CD sales in courts and lost (to my knowledge, they didn't win in ANY major market countries). And later on, the music industry teamed up with big box stores and mass market retailers to get those new releases onto the shelves for ~$10 a shot, down from the $20 they had been a decade prior. This not only put a lot of first-sale independent music sellers out of business, but it put consumers in the mind of "well, if it's only $2-3 difference, and sometimes less, I might as well get this popular album from Best Buy or Target brand new instead of used at CDepot where it might be scratched". (CDepot survived, for those of you familiar with the reference.) This really gutted the second-hand sellers, and by devaluing the market, it meant a lot of them who stayed in business also got less and less good albums sold to them by customers, and more and more of the stuff they were already overstocked with, making many of them less attractive to customers. Then, after this, a lot of first-sale chains happily went back to the $18 Album.
When the Big Box stores mostly/completely got out of CDs, and many more stores started going out of business, all the news stories started talking about Napster and the torrent sites like that was the only reason. Never once have I seen any responsible journalist mention the fact that the record labels got people used to $10 new release hits on CD, and then gradually started ramping the prices up to $15, $18, $25 an album. When the Harmony House chain in metro Detroit went under, it was all "piracy piracy piracy", with no mention of the fact that most of their new releases were $18, and that they were actually a really good source for certain genres of music which they were charging $25 for (admittedly, in part due to some of them being imports). But those inflated prices are what drove the college age kids to Napster and Soulseek and the Gnutella networks and private and public torrent trackers in the first place, so it's not like it's not something that came out of the blue.
It turns out that the RIAA can't afford to win too many battles like that. Funny thing about those increased prices, they never started paying the artists better. It was typical for a music industry CEO to /personally/ make more money off a given CD if you bought it at Best Buy than the artist did, and if that doesn't sound like garbage to you, you need your head examined.
So, the videogame industry is following some very familiar footprints.
PS: I like my cable provider well enough (it's not Comcast or AT&T, obviously), but I don't want to depend on them that much for a videogame platform. Sure, I play multiplayer games where latency counts. But I've also got many single-player offline favourites (including a vast array of emulation platforms) that I can play even on those rare occasions when my provider is having some issue.
Aren't bugs, glitches and exploits the true surprise mechanics in games?
No, because with no one is selling a fucking finished game anymore. Day one patches are abundant.
Yeah not so surprise anymore considering how common they've become.
Every publisher is its own platform? *This is how the 80s video game crash happened!!*
Smells like 1985 in here.
No, not really. The North American crash was caused largely by too much product of too little quality (Even Quaker Oats had a game).
Having a large number of platforms has yet to crash the industry anywhere. Especially since most consoles and platforms are either known mostly in specific countries, or the fact that most consoles fail pretty hard. And there has been far, far more consoles than most people think.
@@RippahRooJizah Too much product, too little quality: Check. That's been happening for awhile.
@@RippahRooJizah while true, watching AVGN, he did cover how the 80s had tons of pong machines by different companies.
The 80s appeared to be the dark age of gaming.
@@RippahRooJizah *Talking to the entities behind you* Oh hello Anthem and Fallout 76, what brings you guys here?
Physics hates game streaming, you can't take on the speed of light and win. Serialisation, Queuing, and Propagation delay can't be "beaten".
Actually, every time I hear about cloud gaming I'm asking myself "Wait, what about input lag induced by latency?".
My guess is that publishers will try to convince people that having 60 ms input lag is normal, just like 30 FPS is normal.
You forgot about lizard squad
@engineer99 Yeah, but we're talking about extra latency added on top of latency already present. Obviously, there's input latency in any control, and there's signal latency in the actual machines.
But with cloud gaming, you take all that, and also add internet latency to everything, which can vary quite a lot depending on where you live and the quality of your connection.
Your version of the surprise mechanic is hilarious 😂
NO internet !!
Let's play offline...
Uh?! you can't...!!!
Where is my favourite non popular game?!
Oh....!! Its ,, -- removed--
Reasons why i prefer physical games that dont want always online connection and are completly on disc
God bless our rum-drinking, high seas sailing friends.
Is there places in the world that don't have Internet? I assumed it's everywhere now.
@@theindiediary5950 i literally lose my internet for about 3 hours every single day and my average internet speed is 24mb per second....i do not ever plan on switching to always online platforms, i will happily download digital copies but thats as far as it goes
Don't you guys *have* an Internet?
As soon as I saw the Scott Pilgrim Sprite in the thumbnail I knew that was going to be used as an example of a digital game rendered unplayable by being taken off of its digital store.
Vincent Lance I’m glad I still have mine. I just missed the dlc characters tho 😣
Hey, Jim, thanks for reminding me to cancel my Amazon Prime trial!
Funnily enough Amazon is the only service with a feature that reminds you to cancel lol
Make sure they don't bill you, I've had them send me 10 fee's for their "free" trials. Check your payment source to see if you've had a charge from them.
Starz here.
@@--Animal-- See, when that's happened to me, I always managed to cancel and then get the 'rest' of my money back. They might have changed that policy though, as I'd frequently pay for prime, get my 2 day shipping, then cancel the subscription and get all but 2 or 3 dollars back, making my shipping half cost.
You nailed it as always. Especially your last words about trust. Trust in the gaming industry is the real problem with this game-streaming-thing.
I will not suggest torrenting. Nope. That's bad. Veeeery bad. No torrenting whatsoever.
Honestly, I would like to not have viruses with my "surprise shareware".
It's not torrenting, just a surprise discount.
@Denam streaming only content already gets uploaded. And server only games have already been available to pirate
@@Fryguystudios That's with video though, which isn't hard to do with a capture card cause the video is always the same. You can't capture the source code of a streamed game without actually hacking the server that the source code is on.
I cannot tell if you are being honest or sarcastic.
If honest, i torrented 500+ game files as a kid and NEVER got a virus.
If sarcastic, i get ya.
I don't want games to go the way of subsriptions and Netflix.
We've had it way better then tv shows and now they are trying to remove that from us.
Wait for the wonderful bundles that ISPs will offer squishing your Hulu, Stadia, EA Access, Spotify and all the other trash into one neat package for only one exorbident fee!
or add GAMER package with $999 an hour for playing
Nah the more subscriptions the easier it is to forget what you're paying for and how much. They want consumer confusion.
This is why I don't have internet, I know it's coming, and I'm steering CLEAR TF AWAY from the idea this will happen
Surprise Extortion!
@@e3.14c4 you don't have internet eh...
The surprise mechanic bit I am in love with