Virpil Controls | Are They Worth The Money?? | MSFS | DCS | XP11
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Virpil Controls | Are They Worth The Money?? | MSFS | DCS | XP11
The Virpil Controls are the most well built and versitile controls I have used yet. But are they worth the money!!??
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My real life veteran commercial pilot best friend just texted me while I'm watching your video and I told him that I am waiting for my kit for my flight simulation cockpit right now and he sends me pictures inside of his real life cockpit and the outside of his plane that he recently completed training for (AIRBUS A321neo)! I am so ready for UPS to deliver my stuff to me today! LOL! My kit cost a little more than 2,400.
Can you give me 2400 I need some VIRPIL controls for dcs
Since I replaced my warthog with them, absolutely.. Including the Ace interceptor pedals. The WarBYD base and Mongoos Stick. For Christmas, I got the throttle Cm-t-50cm3.
Since I am a rotor head, I am picking up more panels and the Ka-50 collective.
To the point, hands down, yes, they are more than worth the money.
A very well done video, and I want to thank you for it..
From ordering to arrival at my door, 9 days, Tasmania, Australia. Brilliant service I might add, as well. I see no delay problem in delivery times are all 🇦🇺
Did the govt hit you with penalty sanctions tax??
I currently have a Constellation Prime Alpha with WarBRD base (+mount), with a CM3 Throttle (also +mount) ordered on the 28th of December. As someone who had never owned premium sim gear, I loved the feel of the stick when I had it in my hand. I will likely purchase control panels soon.
So how long did you have to wait? Lol
@@markhoward7708 I waited 8 weeks for the throttle.
@@777Thibs Hey, im looking to buy the exact same set up as you. Is it worth it? Im looking to play mostly msfs and xplane. Thanks alot appreciate!
If you're a DCS multi-module flyer, and want conveniences of barely having to change much to have a great throttle or usable collective for whatever, the CM3 throttle is a no brainer. I don't think there's a single module you'll find the grip and throttle base lacking in terms of precise form and function. The mode dial is godlike for extra buttons -- though note, I don't use shift states in Viripl software, I actually just make them change the LED color and make those buttons modifiers in DCS. I would buy buy and buy this throttle over and over again over anything else on the market. I was a TM Warthog owner for 10+ years and enjoyed it, but super happy to have upgraded.
Winwing Orion2 throttle is something I was looking at closely. The swappability between grips is very nice, and the F-16 throttle is sweep but you won't be switching between F-16 to F/A-18 throttle grips easily. Orion2 throttle base(s) are only a better choice if you know you want a replica of a module you know you fly and can kind of ignore the other. Or you get more than one and just completely swap out throttles quickly which kind of defeats the modularity.
Also, Virpil's software configuration is best in class. You can do exactly what you want on a device level (if you have to). For example, I have Virpil pedals and I configure them to also activate a button beyond 90% pressure on the toe brakes in case the simulator I'm using only has a button for toe brakes rather than an axis. If things were really dire, I could even have the rudder axes positions trigger joystick buttons too to accomplish the same. Through software, I configure engine start / idle / off buttons along the throttle axes with the detent sets that I use, and I activate it with one of the switches. This allows me to use the full axes range with no detends for helis, or a limited range after the idle-detent, for jets literally with a flip of a switch. And just like this video says, this configuration is saved on the device which is super clean.
Where you could save is joystick base + grip. While WarBRD base is super high quality, and the ConstellationAlpha looks compelling, I prefer the WinWing F-16EX with Orion1 base for generic usage (A-10C, F-16C, Ka-50, soon AH-64D) because it has so many buttons and the Apache is a module that certainly can use it. But I also have a WarBRD base with a TM F/A-18 grip for the F/A-18. I don't know if I have a preference between either joystick base, but I do like the fact that the A-10 + F-16 are replica+ sticks, and the F/A-18 is a replica+ as well. I don't desire to have replica for modules that are super unique and would just be a pain in the ass.
"Shift state" - refers to something you can do through VPC control software where the device is somewhat aware that a modifier key is being pressed
Hey! I've watched your videos about Virpil Controls multiple times. I ordered a full set of their products at the end of April and they emailed me yesterday so my wait is over! All my parts are being delivered next Tuesday and I am so excited. I am going to use it for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, DCS World, Elite Dangerous and Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 when it comes out. Thanks for your videos. You are one of the channels and forums that assisted me in deciding to spend over 2,400 dollars to get my Virpil Controls gear.
You won't regret it! I love mine!!
@@OverkillSimulations Thank you. I just made another post because I'm watching your video again and UPS is delivering all my boxes today instead of tomorrow. I am so excited. =D
I can't wait to get my VIRPIL stuff. I ordered $2500.00 of their products.
Rub it in buddy 🤣
Can't wait to see pictures my friend! Let me know if you need help with setup!
@@OverkillSimulations Oh I'm sure I will! ❤
@@greenranger2764lost in the mail?
Making a huge leap from a T-flight HOTAS to a Virpil Alpha Prime stick and omni throttle setup, should be here by my birthday. As a mainly space sim pilot I'm looking forward to the precision and ease of use provided from this investment.
Coming from a longtime Warthog HOTAS myself (spring removed). I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Virpil CM3, collective, Mongoos and Hawk-60 grips. As well as my Monstertech Pilot seat to bring my simpit to the next level! I took advantage of the Virpil year-end holiday sale and saved some bucks. 😊
I use Winwing Viper/Orion2 combo and Super Taurus throttles, which are amazing as well.
Are the products you mentioned buying for a helicopter setup? I'm looking to get into flight sims and want to do helicopters. Would you mind recommending some components for me?
VIRPIL, VKB, WinWing, and Thrustmaster all have their pros and cons, but you can't go wrong with _any_ of them IMHO! I simply mix-and-match between all four vendors to come up with _exactly_ the setup I want!
He’s absolutely spot on. I also perfer the military look like the TMWH and the CM3 throttle was space simmy lookin but I immediately got use to the Virpil look and feel. Once you get to this level your done with hardware and focus on other things. My next purchase will probably be one of the panels. One thing I will recommend is Monstertech mounts over the Virpil mounts for sure.
i've got to ask because i hear great things about the v4 desk mount. kinda on the fence on that vs the monstertech desk mount. would you give any specifics on your reason to recommend one over the other? both look like solid choices, but only he Virpil v4 desk mount looks to have removable rubber pads on both sides of the clamp while monstertech only looked to have a rubber protector on the underside part of the mount but not the top pressing down on the desk.
@@Reurbo - Hi , yeah one reason is that the Virpi mount are posited farther away from the desk and also according to some UA-cam video about the Virpil brackets is that they move from side to side. I have been using Monstertech deskmounts for a few years and I can promise you that even that they are a little more expensive then Virpil mounts well there’s a reason behind that the product is High Quality strong and once clamped down to the desk they do not move … none !
I invested in Virpil - RealSimulator flight gear for DCS and I wanted the best desk mounts on the market.
I added a thin piece of rubber to the top mounting plate. Once the clamp squares up to the desk and then clamped down it’s a very strong clamp pressure.
@@Mako-sz4qr Thank you so much for the info and feedback on these! While I didn't want price to sway me, because I knew Virpil make quality products they continue to improve on and knew nothing about Monstertech I didn't want to just jump at the Virpil mounts and dismiss anything else if there was a legitimate difference. It sounds like while I'll still get the stick and base from Virpil I've been wanting, I'll put the Monstertech desk mount on my wish list
@@Reurbo - Your welcome , either way your gonna love the Virpil gear for sure. I have the CM2 stick base with the Thrustmaster F-18 grip/ center and the Virpil CM3 Throttle and that just about the best of the best especially for the Hornet and upcoming F-15 Strike and I must a great Tomcat setup too. 👍🏻
I bought the Virpil ACE rudder pedals after I saw your previous Virpil video. I had to wait a month or so to get them but the wait was absolutely worth it. I'm still trying to get used to them (as I haven't used rudder pedals in over 20 years and those were old CH Products ones). I may eventually grab one of the flightsticks for future helicopter ops.
Got a full set of the newest line from virpil for $1300ish but still waiting on the shipping. Coming up on 6weeks wait which is what virpil told me is the current lead time for my order in the US. Super excited.
Took 2 months 5 days for my order to arrive. After setup they are Everything i was hoping for and then some.
Great review man! I've been on the fence between the Winwing and Virpil throttle options for a while, but I think you sold me on the Virpil.
I actually had the Thrust master warthog and loathed the "sticktion" caused by the gamble style they used. It's literally a plastic plate that slides up and down on metal posts. Even coated in Nyogel the sticktion never went away. And it's not like it's that much cheaper than Virpil either.
I did make a bit of a mistake picking up the Virpil WarBRD base. It's the oldest model, but I purchased it because the newer options mentioned a shorter throw (travel range), and I thought the longer travel of the WarBRD would fight my ham fisted flying style a little better. However, the WarBRD base doesn't have tensioners or clutches. The T50CM2 adds in tensioners, and the cm3 adds in a clutch as well. The problem with the WarBRD not having them is that there is a bit of a bounce at center. When you let go of the stick, it bounces around the center for a second or two. To be far, I added a 10 curve in dcs and the bounce doesn't really cause any issues, but it is a bit of a pain in Star Citizen. So I'll likely be ordering a cm3 along with the throttle and move the WarBRD to be a left hand center stick for SC and use the cm3 as my primary right hand stick. And add an extension since I prefer a longer throw stick.
As far as lead time, I ordered my WarBRD base in the middle of Nov and it showed up in the middle of Jan. But that's to be expected. The flight sim community isn't large enough to mass produce high end products. Arguably the warthog from thrustmaster is about the highest end mass produced stick, but like you've pointed out, the performance is significantly better with Virpil. But at that price point, the percentage of the community that will purchase it lowers the target market to a point that mass production becomes impractical due to the initial investment required to scale up. Shops like Virpil, MFG, and Winwing are relatively small operations serving the community with some of the best hardware money can buy. (As a MFG Crosswinds owner, I for one am thankful for these bespoke custom shops. Best rudder pedals by a country mile, and I've used several as a reference) So some patience is certainly required. These shops don't have long lead times because they enjoy making people wait. The lead times are a product of a small shop with a well built popular product and a target audience that isn't large enough to scale up production. Having said that, the sim community is a great group of people and these shops go above and beyond to design and build the best possible hardware for our cockpits.
I've gone through 2 warthog sticks in 9 months where the buttons stop working completely, only the trigger worked but it activated all buttons😢
I've bitten the bullet 12 hours ago and purchased the Virpil set. Can't wait after watching your review
FYI I had a warthog for over 10 years and every button and axis on it still works today 100%. You seem really unlucky
I got the same products. It feels so good. High quality
Worth every penny. I've had the CM3 Throttle and Alpha stick for some time now and zero issues.
Totally agree!
Have owned the Constellation Alpha w/ WarBRD base for 2 years, and recently got the CM3 Throttle as well. Mostly play MSFS and Star Citizen, along with other space sims. The precision of both the joystick and throttle is leagues above anything else I have tried, and I don't see how it's possible to get it any better for a price regular people can afford.
Some minor gripes here and there, especially on the throttle, but it's very much overshadowed by the positives. I hope they last a long time.
Love my Virpil Sticks F-16, F-18, F-14 and the base but Winwing is right up there with the best. I just got the F-16EX HOTAS and there is nothing in the world like having a throttle setup that puts you right in the seat. Excellent video you are a natural at this.
This video convinced me to "pull the trigger" on a virpil hotas.
The Thrust Master products and the Saitek/Logitech products were designed and built at a different time in Flight sim history. We are now in the "Golden Age" of Flight Sims and it's a different ball game. As a result, the hardware has to be upgraded to handle the multitude of inputs that are part of the Sim World today. I have the Winwing setup and I agree the build quality are light years ahead of those cheap plastic controls. You will spend far more money on upgrading your computer set up than you will with the HOTAS hardware you get with the Virpil and Winwing hardware after you spen your hard earned money for them.
Hmm, my delivery times are usually around 5-6 days when buying from the EU store and I'm in Australia, that's better than our national Australia post can do from Sydney to Adelaide.
same for canada
Ordered my sticks well over a month ago. I’m quite disgruntled about the misleading delivery time, even after numerous correspondences with their support. So I hope they are worth the wait.
First time?
They are worth the wait. 3 months my first time.
got mine today my first wait was 2 and a half months, 2 months seems to be about as good as it gets btw so don't stress it. 😁
@@Hexis17i ordered a couple of days ago and expected to get the Virpil gear hopefully before christmas. I get the parcel according to Fedex in one week!
They are worth it!
i can not get th virpil controls to show up xplane. i have followed all of this gentleman's assembly instructions and how to use the software so i know the controls are updated and calibrated. I am using xplane 11 on steam if that makes a difference. also i can not get more than one virpil control to show up in the virpil software/ he shows 3 or 4 but i can only get one at a time.
Cool video ..thanks 👍
Would be really interested in watching the virpil collective video when you receive the hardware 😀👍
Hi. thanks forthe video. Do you think it is normal that at this price point you need to fine tune the CM3 accessories and core elements to have it work? would you expect the product to be perfect or at least tested by virpil before shipping? Coming from a warthog, i want the same level of quality out of the box if i replace it with a new base.
I’ve been flight simming on MSFS since it was released. I have always had a few challenges, but nothing I haven’t been able to figure out. Until now. About two weeks ago, I loaded MSFS and noticed that all of the bindings for my HOTAS disappeared. When I have tried to re-program things, the control axis will not bind (throttle, flaps, rudder, aileron, etc)…it is the weirdest thing. What am I doing wrong?…I have looked around and I can’t find anything on this. I have VIRPIL controls and haven’t had any issues until now. The Microsoft game controller settings show and confirm the stuff is working with windows, and I have even rechecked and recalibrated all of the axis for the controllers within the VIRPIL configuration software…but still nothing. Im offering reward money here people!!…If anyone has any ideas, it would be greatly appreciated and worth the reward $$ :)…🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
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17:45 I have the VIRPIL helicopter collective and oh man, you're gonna be lovin' _that_ one when it arrives! FWIW - Go ahead and splurge for the throttle option - it is worth the extra $120 IMHO (although others might debate that).
Oh you sly dog you!! Just rubbing it in... :) Totally kidding of course!
I'm right there with you. If you're gonna go for it, get the full package. Which Grip did you get?
@@OverkillSimulations I have the SharKa-50 grip, but only because the Hawk-60 grip hadn't been released yet! Story of my life right there! ;-)
@@MikeInExile lol I know what you mean!! Happens to me all the time!
I'll toss this in to: If I had to do it all over again, of course I'd buy the Hawk-60 grip. But in all honesty, I'm really happy with the SharKa-50 grip and don't see any compelling reason to 'upgrade' to the Hawk-60 which is 20 bucks more expensive (and I suck at helicopters anyway)! Now, if they'd release an AH-64 Apache collective grip, that might be a different story! 😀
@@MikeInExile oooh! 64 would be hot! Man she's a handful though.. I'm pretty good with helos but that damn thing... mercy
Do you use the cm2 base without extension on the stick? without an extension you might loose a bit of fine control
Question; Does the virpil devices have any issues running on Windows 11? Yea I have a pending Windows 11 install winking at me, and I just ordered myself the CM3 Throttle and Warbird base to replace my Hotas Cougar Setup. I'm a little hesitant to click that upgrade button as I fear that my Saitek (logitech) rudders and track IR 5 may have issues with Windows 11. Thanks in advance.
None that I'm aware of but I wouldn't update until they force it lol
@@OverkillSimulations oh ok thanks for the advice.
I got a virpil. And a nice, long dongle.
I bought a Warbrd grip for a DIY project, compared to the Warthog grip I‘m a bit disappointed about the buildquality the Buttons are way more whobbly less clicky. I expected more from a premium manufacturer at these pricetag. :/
Have you tried contacting them about the issues you're having? Mine aren't like that at all so that makes me wonder if a bad one slipped through. I have a few friends that use Virpil as well and don't have that issue.
Huge problems with my mongoose base. False contacts, erratic response. Unusable.
My only annoyance about there product is the ship time. Ordered black friday in USA and it still hasn't come + they still keep delaying it. Otherwise it is a awesome product that is pretty much unmatched.
I took a good long look at their website today, and I have to say, I don’t like any of their flightsticks. I’ve been using the Thrustmaster Warthog for twelve years (holy crap!) and I must have the trim, weapon release, DMS, and TMS exactly where they are, and nowhere else. Their throttles and various control panels look very tempting, however! 🖖😀
Oh boy the wait... Im at 2 months now. I mean, I really want this stuff, but seriously they should get faster.
Yea, the wait is the worst/best part. I believe that they are on a build to order process that's why it takes so long. It makes sense that they would do that as it is a top of the line HOTAS. Let me tell you once you receive it and get it set up you will not regret spending the money.
I spend 2 days just playing with the settings creating detents mode switches among other settings. I fly the fa18 mainly for dcs and I have it setup so I don't even really have to touch my mouse and keyboard. I have a mode for starting the plane air to air mode air to ground mode along with others. Trust me you will love it
Do all sticks work with the one bass
Nice video, thanks. I'm in the process of configuring my CM3 throttle for use in MSFS. Trying to figure out how to set up thrust reversers for jets and turboprops as well as F18 idle and afterburner set to setenta. Is it better to do this via the Virpil software or directly in MSFS? Or some combination? Axis to buttons or axis sensitivity settings......Any suggestions would be appreciated. Also invested in the Alpha Prime with CM3 base, plus the Hawk60 and TCS Plus collective for greater immersion with helicopters.
Hey! First, really jealous of the Hawk 60 grip lol! Secondly, I would use the software to configure the rear 5% to be a button that toggles the reversers or cutoff depending on what you're flying. That would probably be the easiest. Then just bind that "button" in MSFS.
I would also take a look at SPAD.Next. It removes much of the necessity to do a lot of the above for MSFS anyway.
Thanks for your video. If you had to be a Virpil base for Flight Sim, which base would you pic?
For flight I LOVE the CM3
Nice video. Completely out of my price range, but one can dream for one day! One question, have we "seen" that HDMI screen in another video? Is it touch? Can you export DCS screens to it? Thanks.
I'm pretty sure it is touchscreen. As for exporting screens from dcs, that gets a bit complicated. You can send the mfds to secondary screens, but you need to use 3rd party utilities for getting control panels designed for touch input on them, such as Gameglass (though Gameglass is more geared toward star citizen and doesn't have much in the way of pre built screens for dcs.) It's actually a tad easier in dcs to get control options onto Android devices than a secondary touch screen monitor. There's a couple options for realtime maps on androids, and I don't know if it's still supported but there used to be a utility for getting the NS430 into a secondary hdmi display.
Controls are the most important item in your flight sim… more than the computer.
Computers will be replaced much faster than controllers buy the best you can find.
Controllers last sometimes for decades… nothing else on your sim will.
Hi Overkoll...what is that single twin dial periphial ...Maybe for radios or ???
In front of the throttle?
Yes, they are. I cannot believe people still claim the Thrustmaster warthog in the best stick on the market lol. Mechanism is garbage compared to the everlasting silky cam-bearing design in the warbrd base.
Great video. How did you mount the take off panel and combat panel to your throttle base attachment?
I’m trying to figure out a solution for my rig.
YA I'm trying to figure out mine too!
Check out my last video on the Boeing Cockpit "Final Review" and you'll get a much better view of the hardware
I used aluminum extrusions
check out my Patreon site and there's a full parts list that I posted. You don't have to subscribe to get it. It's available to everyone.
@@OverkillSimulations Much appreciated! Thanks for all you do for the community.
@@OverkillSimulations Just checked it out. Funny, I have the same idea. I ordered 2080 aluminum extensions as the bracket on the back of the panels mount directly to it. The 45 degree bracket link you have is what I was looking for.
@@OverkillSimulations hey! I found a different solution for mounting that looks like it is integrated into the seat.
Not sure how I can share it with you, but maybe you’d like to add it as an option on your patreon.
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Do i see an HF8 there sir? Get that video out!
Do you... or is it a figment of imagination... has the shroud of flight simming been cast over your eyes to blind you from the truth? ;)
Oh look. A video! ;-)
Not recognized by MSFS
then the problem is on your software most likely. I run linux so I can't say for sure, but I've had very few issues. quick web search shows multiple people where it just worked. if it's working in other games, steam can check files right click> properties > installed files > verify integrity... dunno about ea's or ms version, but I imagine there's similar. stop any other software from running too. use the task manager to disable startup programs, reboot, see if that works. then either start the disabled programs, or re enable reboot, one at a time till it stops working. there's a lot more you can try too. web search it. you could also try to run it from a cmd window, and see if it outputs any errors...like i said lots you can try.
but i'm sure the problem is your system, not the game or the hotas.
He said, " In the closet ". Huh huh. Huh huh.